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ITB: What We Learned On Woolen, DeJean, And More from Eagles' Vic Fangio's Presser · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody? It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 1: We interrupt this schedule analysis podcast series to bring you
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  Speaker 1: hard news from the Eagles. They had their coordinators press
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  Speaker 1: conferences on Thursday, and there were some interesting things to
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  Speaker 1: come out of it, mostly Adam from Vic Fangioside, almost
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  Speaker 1: all of it from thee But as what we always say,
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  Speaker 1: like the honesty of this guy to come out and
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  Speaker 1: and he sort of says it as if we as
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  Speaker 1: if it was common knowledge too. We'll get into the
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  Speaker 1: whole safety situation. I'm like, no, we're gonna do this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh thanks. We're all like, oh, okay, great, finally, yeah, finally,
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  Speaker 1: But really it starts off with quelling a concern. Not
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  Speaker 1: only I don't know what surprised you more that he
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  Speaker 1: said that he's he was not really that close to retiring,
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  Speaker 1: or that he's actually got at least two more years
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  Speaker 1: in them.
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  Speaker 3: I love that he said the doctors told him he's
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: got reverse agent going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he's Benjamin Button.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was taking notes and then then
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles sent them trench script out, but yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: I guess he said he wasn't close. You know, he's
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  Speaker 3: told that. The way I understand it from from some
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  Speaker 3: masion to have some players defuncive players is that you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's let the players know over the years when he's
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  Speaker 3: been thinking about it. I guess after twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Four he was he said twenty four Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, he but he said he was not close.
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  Speaker 3: Like these football wonks as they call them, they really
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  Speaker 3: don't have anything like he but he had to take
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  Speaker 3: a shot the Phillies at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he only only Vic Fangio could not like the
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  Speaker 1: Rob Thompson firing, even though the Phillies of one exact
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  Speaker 1: one series since So, I was just about.
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  Speaker 3: To, you know, to to end the video and I
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  Speaker 3: see him walking off and I know I didn't close
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  Speaker 3: the browser yet, and he just brought it up. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, why did they do that? But he's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: But getting back to football, yeah, so yeah, he's he
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  Speaker 3: loves football. He feels great. He said at least two
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  Speaker 3: more years. Okay, wow wow how about that? And he
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  Speaker 3: you know he uh the so so as we went
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  Speaker 3: along as he was speaking, you know that the reporters
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  Speaker 3: asked him about certain situations and you know you and
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  Speaker 3: I have talked. We actually talked about earlier this week.
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  Speaker 3: I talked about with our patron members. One of the
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  Speaker 3: few things we'll be looking at at OTS next week
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  Speaker 3: is de she ain't gonna line up in safety because
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  Speaker 3: we know that there are certain people in the league
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  Speaker 3: mm hmm who think Vic sees him as a safety. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: guess what he's gonna be playing safety and basin And
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  Speaker 3: this is what you and I debated. You and I
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  Speaker 3: had a healthy discussion, very respectful but healthy about who's
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  Speaker 3: going to play uh in base, who's going to play corner? Well,
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  Speaker 3: won't be just anymore? They didn't follow up, won't be
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  Speaker 3: one you would assume me who else is going to be? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I thought was also revealing from Vic.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he was asked about Rik Wollan, and let's compare
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  Speaker 1: Vic's contextual quotes from one player to another.
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  Speaker 2: Wollan.
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  Speaker 1: They actually said that they studied him during the season
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  Speaker 1: because they knew Seattle had him on the trading block
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  Speaker 1: and something.
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  Speaker 2: You had reported.
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  Speaker 1: You knew about that, We've talked about that, so good,
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  Speaker 1: good job that. So they were they've already were thinking
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  Speaker 1: about him. So he watched tape on him, and then
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  Speaker 1: he said when the season was over, they watched him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. How about contrasting that with the
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  Speaker 1: questions about a Dori Jackson over a training camp, when
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  Speaker 1: Vic was like, oh, I didn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Watch tape on this guy. Everybody you had to know.
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  Speaker 3: But I this is what I I've just I don't
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  Speaker 3: know Fangio, but I know people know him and we've
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  Speaker 3: gotten to know him justly through his interviews as press
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  Speaker 3: conference is watching him run practices. He doesn't say what
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't mean, like if he means it, if he
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  Speaker 3: says that he means it is what I'm saying here.
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  Speaker 3: So he was very strong on woll and I I'm
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  Speaker 3: now he did also throw in that terrible play in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: He was asked about it though, I mean he was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he goes, if you don't learn from that,
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  Speaker 3: you'll never learn kind of thing. So he was effusive,
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  Speaker 3: like he was very strong in his praise. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: because now.
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  Speaker 2: I was also surprised.
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  Speaker 3: I was, but see when you do when coaches do
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  Speaker 3: freeze and study a they're given clip, they're given like
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  Speaker 3: they're usually either given tape to watch or the watch
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  Speaker 3: last year on their own. Well, we have to understand.
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  Speaker 3: First year he was great, well and he was phenomenal, like,
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: oh boy, they got their next Richard Sherman. Well he
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  Speaker 3: regressed and Vic's wright. I still don't know why the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks didn't trade him. I don't know what I don't
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  Speaker 3: I don't recall what they were asking for. But he
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  Speaker 3: was very availed and they're very willing to trade him.
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  Speaker 3: That's where VIC comes in. He said he gave it,
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  Speaker 3: he gave out, he spilled the beans. How he obviously
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  Speaker 3: told him he was available. We're looking at him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he said they didn't trade for him, and now they
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  Speaker 3: signed him. And how this is why I think this
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  Speaker 3: is no bs. Not that we would ever question hit Vic,
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  Speaker 3: but he said he was kind of surprising. You ton'
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  Speaker 3: get a multi year deal. That's how much he liked him. Well, well,
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  Speaker 3: this is how I struggle with it. What did he like?
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  Speaker 3: And John Schneider, the GM that that drafted him, try
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  Speaker 3: to trade him, didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Like or the rest of the league. I agree, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I was a little surprised for what you
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  Speaker 2: just said.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Vic keeps it one hundred doesn't overdo
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  Speaker 1: it when you're good, doesn't you know, get too high
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  Speaker 1: on you. The fact that he made clear exit like
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  Speaker 1: references to how his body frame and his body type
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  Speaker 1: are all really are very uncommon, which is true.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see a lot of six four corners.
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  Speaker 1: Even Vic said, you don't see a lot of six
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  Speaker 1: three sixty two sixty one corners. And he says none
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  Speaker 1: of those things seemed to inhibit him in any way.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, just watching the tape on prequel, and
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  Speaker 1: I did think that there were times where he did
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  Speaker 1: struggle on certain routes just because he's such a long
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  Speaker 1: limbed athlete in terms of getting a break on the
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  Speaker 1: ball or staying with a guy. Now, there are times
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  Speaker 1: that you could tell his length helps it closes windows.
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  Speaker 1: He can bat he's good and contested catches. But as
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  Speaker 1: we mentioned in the breakdown, both talking to personnel people
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  Speaker 1: and coaches about him and then watching it for ourselves
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  Speaker 1: and Cosell, he would get beat on deep balls kind
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  Speaker 1: of uncharacteristically for a guy that has that kind of speed.
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  Speaker 1: So I was a little surprised that victims and handy,
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  Speaker 1: because usually VI does mix that in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, didn't You didn't you have the didn't you
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  Speaker 3: have the stat that he led them.
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  Speaker 1: To the Yeah, led the Sea, led the NFL, definitely
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  Speaker 1: led the Seahawks in penalties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's concerning. But I thought that was interesting. He
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: he He talked about the Nolan Smith issue. For folks
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: don't know, he got caught speeding pretty significantly.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how people could. I mean, I'm like
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  Speaker 1: not to make two big vial deal. But but if
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: I'm on a if I'm doing like anything over ninety,
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  Speaker 1: I get a little jittery. Yes, I cannot imagine driving
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty miles per hour on the autumn,
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  Speaker 1: let alone a sixty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to you want to hear something very funny.
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  Speaker 3: So I got a hit. When I was grown up,
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: I got my dad's handy. I got a hand me
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  Speaker 3: down eight. For those of you old enough to remember,
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  Speaker 3: we call this car fenway. My friends from high school
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  Speaker 3: called a fact. I had a nineteen seventy six Buick
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  Speaker 3: Electra two twenty five. Oh wow, And we called a
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  Speaker 3: fanway because it was grain and it dude, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't go over eighty. You could the phenomenon like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the wheels would have gone a part shake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, you got to be smarter than that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and I just that that's you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: something that you know, Eagles will look at that when
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  Speaker 3: they decide where they're going to extend his contract off
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  Speaker 3: of the fifth year option, you know, if they do so. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, he talked about Grenard, talk about Hunt. You
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  Speaker 3: could tell he likes Hunt. There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Now, now what I thought was, let's get to the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: This was interesting, not that you should read in too
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  Speaker 3: much because it's only May. Would you interpret what he
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  Speaker 3: said that Epps has the upperhand of Michael Carter. Not
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  Speaker 3: that's a big deal, but I thought that was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, So the two interpretations or what we know
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  Speaker 1: degene in base means that so far he expects Rieku
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  Speaker 1: willing to be a three down cornerback, not just a
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  Speaker 1: nickel corner okay, which is interesting because just like you
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  Speaker 1: were saying, Seattle did not see him that way last year.
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  Speaker 2: They did not have him out there on rundowns.
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  Speaker 1: But then obviously he also said the gene would still
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  Speaker 1: be the nickel, which means nickelback. So when they are
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  Speaker 1: in Nickel. There is going to have to be a replacement.
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  Speaker 1: Now the question is is that replacement a safety or
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  Speaker 1: another hybrid deal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about Epps, He talked about Michael Carter. The
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  Speaker 1: second I was I thought, he like you say, he
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  Speaker 1: keeps it one hundred. He talked about Epps as being
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  Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised because he didn't know him, and then watching
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  Speaker 1: him play, he was generally pleased with his instincts, his
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of the defense. He's not that old, even though
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna turn thirty, or he'll be thirty if he's
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  Speaker 1: not already, he'll be thirty in the season. I am
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  Speaker 1: sort of fascinated by it, because I mean that would
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  Speaker 1: make Marcus SEPs what we said he is, which is
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  Speaker 1: a third safety.
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  Speaker 2: He's only coming in, but he's really gonna play a lot.
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  Speaker 2: If that's the case, you know, well.
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  Speaker 3: Here let again, where in May they're going to add
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  Speaker 3: another safety, preferently by training camp. Yeah, it remains to
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  Speaker 3: see if that guy would be would be considered to
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  Speaker 3: be a starter or in the mixed guy which means
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  Speaker 3: he competes to be a starter. But they have to
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  Speaker 3: be better there And again, I worry about Drew mccoomba,
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  Speaker 3: and he actually Vic also will get to mccomba a
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  Speaker 3: second on what Vic said, but in terms of the
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  Speaker 3: injury coming back from it, but i'm I'm mcooba hasn't
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  Speaker 3: shwn that he could stay healthy. He's got that is that.
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  Speaker 3: One personal guy told me m he's got a nickel
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  Speaker 3: build for a safety. Ironically, he played both. You know
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  Speaker 3: that he's got that versatility. And the thing about Fangio
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  Speaker 3: is he'll do whatever it takes, like he'll be resourceful,
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  Speaker 3: like he they draft Eagles drafted Dean to be a corner,
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  Speaker 3: not a nickel. Uh Degene was hurt when they drafted him.
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  Speaker 3: Come back from hamsterring and he got hurt again minor injury.
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  Speaker 3: Has been hurt since then. Really, but Vick's like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna start them off at nickel, Like, okay, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't think he was going to stay there with the
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  Speaker 3: hell new oh well he detered. He he winds up
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  Speaker 3: being like this super freak dynamic nickel the league hasn't
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  Speaker 3: really seen before, Like you know, you just don't know that.
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  Speaker 3: But he'll he'll do what he has to do. Like
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  Speaker 3: so to say that mccoba couldn't play Nickel if he
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  Speaker 3: need him to, and they get let's say Carter or
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  Speaker 3: EPs wins it, and they signed a veteran safety to
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  Speaker 3: play to be the other safety. I'm not rolling anything
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  Speaker 3: out long term. Mccoob was to be clear to safety.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's just starting safety, but who knows if it
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  Speaker 3: it's not happy, all bets are off. He again, I've
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  Speaker 3: said this and I'll say it again. Not that he
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: has a good relationship with Howie as to understand it,
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  Speaker 3: but he doesn't care what Like he he kind of
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: talked about his clashes in Denver. Yeah, it was John Alway,
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  Speaker 3: whoever it was, whoever hired a lay maybe whoever. But
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna do whatever it's best to win. They all
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: want to win anyway, So it's not about his ego
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  Speaker 3: as much as he wants to win and whatever's gonna
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  Speaker 3: help them win the best is whatever he sees fit.
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  Speaker 3: So right, I'm not runing anything out long term.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And so I interpreted them him saying Cooper de
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  Speaker 1: Gene is gonna be safety as they just did not
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  Speaker 1: feel a that there was anybody in the market that
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  Speaker 1: was going to come in and be better than Cooper
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  Speaker 1: as a starting safety, even though Cooper really hasn't played there.
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  Speaker 3: But again it's but again to be clear, it's degene
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  Speaker 3: in base base. It may yeah, they may play bass
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  Speaker 3: ten players. That snaps a game.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but right, but true, true, although there are
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  Speaker 1: nic teams, there are, but there's there's now arise in
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  Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen, they'll probably be in base a little
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  Speaker 1: more than than they have been.
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  Speaker 3: In On your point, depending on the opponent, I know,
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  Speaker 3: I get where you're going. But they're a nickel team
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  Speaker 3: by trade. That's the way, because well, it's because of
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  Speaker 3: the Ghane. The big part of it is because he's
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  Speaker 3: so great you want him on the field for kind
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  Speaker 3: of every play. So on your point, okay, let me
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  Speaker 3: ask you this on what you just said, Well, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so maybe he's more of it. So maybe I didn't
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  Speaker 3: think of it the way you expounded on it.
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  Speaker 2: To finish the b I was gonna have that.
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  Speaker 1: How in Leics there's a movement how he and the
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  Speaker 1: team don't think that there's a safety worth trading for
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  Speaker 1: to give up compensation. Yeah, when they obviously have the
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  Speaker 1: gene who can do it, and then they really just
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  Speaker 1: need another nickel safety, and they've a decent number of
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  Speaker 1: guys to compete. Well, they might find a better nickel
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  Speaker 1: safety on the market.
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  Speaker 3: That's a start. But see whatever, whoever plays the majority
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  Speaker 3: of snaps as a starter, that's the way you look.
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  Speaker 3: Even if he does this open up the game as
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  Speaker 3: the starter. Sure, that's why they're how he's looking. Whether
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  Speaker 3: it's preferably, you don't want to give up anything for
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  Speaker 3: it because this guy, to be honest with you, the
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  Speaker 3: guy they're gonna add on the street is probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: be one year guy or a guy in trade. Like
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  Speaker 3: how many teams are gonna get with starting safety? Like
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  Speaker 3: we use this situation before, Is there really a guy
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  Speaker 3: like C. J. Gardner Johnson? Okay, you got to find
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  Speaker 3: a guy who's in a contract disput or they don't
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  Speaker 3: want to extend, who has to be a stud talent.
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  Speaker 3: It's just one of those rare situations. I know how
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  Speaker 3: he's really good at it finding he's good at checking
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: in with agents and clubs. Hey, where you're aut with
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  Speaker 3: his player, just like he did with John Robinson with A. J. Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Ironically funny how things work out four years later. But
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  Speaker 3: it's fascinating because as you've brought this point up, and
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  Speaker 3: it even is it more important to forget what the
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  Speaker 3: jeans position is long term? Clearly he's not a corner. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we've known that he's dynamic, he's unreal Nickel. But this
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  Speaker 3: is what you brought up. Did you bring this up
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  Speaker 3: two years ago when you brought up the contract. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a problem like it. Boy, did you
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  Speaker 3: see that early?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm starting to I'm starting to think different a
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  Speaker 1: little differently, only because he made All Pro and he's
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  Speaker 1: so talented, and you saw what happened with Trent McDuffie.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as long as he's on a field seventy
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  Speaker 1: percent of the time eighty or more and making plays,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna line himself up for a big pay
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  Speaker 1: day regardless because there will be yes there really valuable.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't getting thirty million playing majority Nickels. Eagles have leverage.
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  Speaker 1: They do, But I well, we have to just say,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he may reject an offer and say, in
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  Speaker 1: free agency, I bet if somebody would give me.
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  Speaker 3: Top dollars and they're not letting them, they're not letting
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  Speaker 3: him go.
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  Speaker 2: I know they're not letting them out.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're not gonna let him walk. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to pay him top market money. You're al sie,
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, they'll pay.
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  Speaker 3: They'll make the highest pai Nickel on NFL history of fact,
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  Speaker 3: they might make him the big highest paid safety if
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  Speaker 3: you want to playing you know, sixty to seventy safety.
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  Speaker 3: But it's something to revisit. We'll see, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 3: visit mid season. Okay, we'll try to get the snaps
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  Speaker 3: what per position per safety and per Nickel? Right, But
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  Speaker 3: you make a great point. Okay, let's look at their
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Let's look at their let's look at their their schedule. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of teams that will play heavy twelve back
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  Speaker 3: to back Bears and Rams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would also think commanders with their lack of
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: receiving power right now, and then the fact they have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more a tight.
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  Speaker 3: End ye plus the right yep, probably Giants, Giants Isaiah
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  Speaker 3: they could Yeah. I think, yeah, I think you just
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  Speaker 3: opened a Tendora's box here, man, this is the.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you would think the Giants with with with
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: THEO Johnson and with Isaiah.
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  Speaker 3: Iiley like, yeah, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely for sure.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: And what's the dude's name who played a Canetius the
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: tight end man hurts yeah, Chris Mann hurts. Yeah. So
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: it's this is fasciinating.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's I mean they played the Bears and
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Rams back to back.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: You're talking about you might see like thirty tight ends
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: on the field between those two teams.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: They got to they have to account for. They have
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: somebody tight ends. They got it for all the draft
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: capitol and catch tase meant. But right, it's it's fascinating.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: So what other takeaways do we have?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Just defensively?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I think that that I was just a little I'm like, okay,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I guess Riquillan, who the Seahawks really did not I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: even and I watched the tape on him too, and
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I thought his run defense, it's not like he can't
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: tackle or anything. It was more like he didn't really
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: run to the ball if it wasn't near him thing,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And if it was near him, he's not the first
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: guy or the second guy in the pile. Uh So,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something Vic thinks that he
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and his coaches can coach into him, or if it's
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: something that they think think won't hurt them as much.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: But this goes back to a conversation we had on
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a recent pod. There were about three or four games
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: last year where the Eagles run defense was atrocious, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: that's your run defense doesn't stare game corner, right. I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: understand that Vic even acknowledged it. He said, everybody wants
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to blame our offense. I don't know if you heard
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: him say that, but he said, there were we had
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a good year, but there were some games where we
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: really were not good. I'm paraphrasing. He said the offense
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: got the blame, but we really weren't good. And you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you know he was talking about the Bears game. You know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: he was talking about the forty nine Ers game, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you know he was talking about there was another game earlier,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: like the second half of Rams and Bucks. You know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: when those guys, those teams scored a lot of two
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: points and a half.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Those are what he's talking about.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Giants game, Giants game, Giants.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, run defense was atrocious, so they didn't really help
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: themselves there. Getting a corner who another team that was
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: good at run defense did not want on the field
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in those situations.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So Willan will In's a work in progress.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I appreciate Vic that he's just going by what he saw.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: It's all he could that's all he can do. Yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: and he you know he he Vic alluded to. He
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: also talked about he likes being here yet if you
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: watch his opening press conference, Willan was signed. He really
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: is happy to be here in Philly, right, you know? So, yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm although I'm more intrigued by the offense, to
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: be honest with you, not that Sean Manning said very much.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: We'll get to him a second, but Vic was holding court.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: He's just he's the best. I mean, I've always Jim
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Johnson is my favorite Eagles coordinator since covering the team.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: But this guy's one a man. He's phenomenal for sure.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: All Right, before we go to Manion, I just just
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to I don't want to forget, so I'm gonna sandwich
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you did in here a quick special teams point that
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: at least listening to Michael Clay and of course things
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: can always change.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: He didn't send.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: M h I think he gave the standard Jake's hardest
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: critic of himself.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: YadA YadA.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles haven't done anything right now to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: make you think that they are at least going to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: challenge Jake Elliott, who's coming off a struggling year.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Now, we'll see what happens when they get to training camp.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: If they haven't signed one at the started training camp,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: they're clearly not they're not going to They're telling you
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: that they're not going to address it. I don't agree
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: with it. I know that he got a small cut
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and pay m hm. They had leverage because he had
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a bad year. He is regressed, whereas rain Man is phenomenal,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: like he's he got extension he deserved. He's what a
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: fine for Howie right? But in Eliott was a great
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: fine form at seventeen. Marvin Lewis taking a shot at
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: the Eagles. Oh, why would you know they're taking like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: what are they seeing? We're not kind of well, obviously
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: they mistake the Bengals, but that was ten years ago.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: This guy coming off a tough year. We'll see. This
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: is another If we look at our pre training camp list,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it's going to be on it. We got to see
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: how he looks.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Listen, people can see Michael Clay can say what he wants,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Nick can say what he wants how he can sent.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But if they're struggling going on in training camp, right o,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't look right, they're gonna do something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta admit I was really looking forward
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to the first Shawn Manion press conference for the same
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: reasons you and everybody else were.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You want to kind of get a.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Familiar with what he wants to do, the scheme, all
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: these tight ends, these wide receivers, AJ Brown, what's not
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: having it? And we got none of that, man Like,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the most we got was sort of a somewhat of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a confirmation that, yes, they'll be doing the offensive lineman
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: are working on the new blocking scheme and Chris Cooper's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: doing a good job and teaching it that but.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: That's about it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I was a little a little disappointed there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Vick was with Cooper, Chris Cooper and Denver Right
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and many knows him. Sean knows him from Minnesota, So
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't read it. And it's not like
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: he didn't have a disappointing press conwerence.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: He's just no, I'm not mad, and.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to make fun of him like we
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: did with Sirianti on his first print. I'm just saying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it was unfulfilling for me from an info and an
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: intel standpoint.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not and if I'm him, I'm not going
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to give up, like like the like. There was a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: good question about the language. It's West Coast language. What
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: they're going to do is it's called something like he'll
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: bring in some stuff that Jalen likes, but it's called
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: something in West Coast, so they have to marry it
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: to help, you know, to help the transition for Jalen
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and other players. They have to get on the same
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: page on certain changes. But yeah, it's it's his own
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: blocking scheme mostly m hm. And I know people are
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: spect Oh, it's going to be inside you. We'll see,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: we'll see exactly which it's a combo, you know what
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: we'll see. But it's it's just gonna be different. It's
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: gonna be different. I can't wait to watch it. This
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: is the most intrigue is what this offense is going
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to look like?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I wasn't expecting Sean to say, oh, yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: we've got this play called Spider to Banana.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Why. I get that he's not flow into the West
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Coast offense, but.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And I get a lot of the question asking was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: about just preparedness for the job, being ready.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: He talked about.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Being the o C at the East West Shrine Bowl,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: having a virtual interview with the team.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I liked how he said.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Then I came in person and he started saying, yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I got to meet with Jeffrey and Howie and then
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh and then this He's like, I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: met with a lot of people because you know how
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the Eagles do with their interviews. You got to meet
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like Julie, you got to meet the a g ms,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you got to meet everybody and get the stamp.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Of especially Dom did probably Dom two. Yeah, Well he's
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: an information he's the information gatherer. So yeah, yeah, I have.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I was talking our Pictreon folks. But by the way,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: we had it unbelievable live stream Wednesday night. Oh I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: don't know. I wasn't sure how many peopleould show up. Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: it was These aren't just like Okay, you asked the question,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I answer, it's it's back and forth. It's philosophy. It's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: what what's going on with this situation. That's a situation.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: We gave it to you. We talked about this year
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: ago with Patreon. We told them about safety. At some
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: point he's probably Gene's probably gonna play safety right here
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: we go. We don't know, we'll see how much that means.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: But we're really proud of the group. Man, this was
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite ones on Wednesday night. I got
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it was awesome. It really was nice.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Uh So Sewan said the right things about Jalen Hurt's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: hard worker, learning the You know, it may not that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you would expect anything different, but there was just nothing
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: so revelatory, if that's.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: A word, like there was with Vic's press conference.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I would have loved to have heard him
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: even say, hey, we're gonna run a lot of thirteen personnel.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Or I learned this under Matt Lafleur, or I learned
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: this under Sean McVay, or I borrowed this kind of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: except that I really just not getting that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Look, he's got trained under McVeigh as
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: drafted by the Rams, and he got exposure to you
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: know O'Connell and and that O'Connell's version of McVeigh and
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: then his OC comes from the Shanning entry. So they're
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: gonna combine both. Nobody know how much percentage of each,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: but they're gonna combine both minds and we'll see how
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: it looks. It's just I have a very high anticipation.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I put it up, not quite as much high for
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: when Chip Kelly came in thirteen, because you know, you
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: heard all this crazy stuff, but I just think it
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: could be really fun. I'm really looking forward to it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It could be. It would be nice if it is, Yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: look forward to it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, next week OTAs will begin
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and we'll get a you know, if we're there, I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: should be there. We'll get a better way to convey
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: what we see and what the offense might look like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: or what the early versions are working on and focusing on.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: If they if they open it up. Sometimes they do,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes they know. Sometimes it's ten minutes. Sometimes you get more.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what's going on there. All right, everybody
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: have a fantastic Memorial Day weekend. I'm sorry it's gonna
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: be a rain out for a lot of us here
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in the Northeast, but we will pick up our schedule
• 26:16
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• 26:19
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• 26:22
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