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Star Wars Legacy of Vader Vol. 1 Review CCLX · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, I'm looking about to another episode of the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars Alliance your home on geek Ultimate Alliance Podcast
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  Speaker 2: Network for any notting Star Wars. I'm your host as
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  Speaker 2: always Katie, and with me as per the usual. It's Clay, Clay.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing pretty good. Uh. Today has been a
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  Speaker 3: seemingly decent day. One thing that I did not get
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  Speaker 3: on off my list that I'm going to Well, the
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  Speaker 3: day's not over, so I might be able to still
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  Speaker 3: do it. You have already zoomed past me on the
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  Speaker 3: annotations that we're gonna be talking about next week for
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  Speaker 3: the deluxe edition.
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  Speaker 2: Guess how many I have marked so far?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm starting tonight because I I was looking for
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  Speaker 3: post its and I don't have any, So that's I know,
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  Speaker 3: I know. So that is also why we are like
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  Speaker 3: leaving after this literally right after we finished this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go grocery shopping and I'm gonna buy the
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  Speaker 3: little reading tab things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these ones are the best. These ones were just
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  Speaker 2: I had lying around and I honestly didn't think I'd
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  Speaker 2: be marking that many annotations, but I always like hearing
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  Speaker 2: authors like sneak peak point of views kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I may have broken the promise that I made
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  Speaker 2: to this book initially.
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  Speaker 3: Did you write in it? I did? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's do you know what that means? You just had
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  Speaker 3: to buy another one? Yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, legacy right here first one on the in the
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  Speaker 2: very first chapter. I've literally opened it and there I
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  Speaker 2: have one line scribbled because it's like a three paragraph annotation.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, but this is like the best
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  Speaker 2: part of it. I was like, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to highlight that without writing in it.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, that's great. I think I can do what I want.
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  Speaker 3: So so I think I know my what I'm gonna do,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know if you want to do this
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of yours. But I'm going to put
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  Speaker 3: the tab on the page. But before I put the
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  Speaker 3: tab on the page, I'm actually gonna write the number
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  Speaker 3: of which indicates the annotation. So that way I just
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  Speaker 3: remind myself, oh, it's this one when we talk about them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what I ended up doing. The first
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  Speaker 2: tabs that I used you couldn't write on them, but
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  Speaker 2: now like these, and you can right on these so like,
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  Speaker 2: I've already done that with one of them where I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's annotation X. Yeah, but a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the ones that where I have highlighted that was
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  Speaker 2: like I think the second where I had multiple annotations
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  Speaker 2: on the same page. Yeah, So it'll be fun. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about that guys next week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we still have to discuss the format of
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  Speaker 3: which we're gonna do that, because that one's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a long one, I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, this week we actually have the Legacy of
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  Speaker 3: Vader Legacy Invader h I will I will go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and uh be completely honest with you. I thought this
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  Speaker 3: was a six issue mini series. This is a twelve
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  Speaker 3: issue Maxi series.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is it a Maxi series? I thought it was ongoing?
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  Speaker 3: Is it an ongoing?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was ongoing.
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  Speaker 3: I have to double check because when I reached the
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  Speaker 3: end of this and it said to be continued, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, snap, Okay, I thought I was getting
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  Speaker 3: like a full story in here. So I had to
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  Speaker 3: like kind of rear back my expectations. Okay, can't judge
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  Speaker 3: it because it's only half the story. Let's look into this.
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  Speaker 2: So Wikipedia says ongoing.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought it was, because there's a full year between Lash
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  Speaker 2: Edi and Rise of Skywalker, so there's time for all
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I'm impressed that this would be worthy enough of an ongoing.
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  Speaker 3: I thought this would be like a Hey, let's just
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  Speaker 3: kind of take this small little gap of time and
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  Speaker 3: give it twelve issues and then move on them, dedicating
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  Speaker 3: an actual ongoing. This that is great. I actually really
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  Speaker 3: really like that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's one of only two ongoings because it's
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  Speaker 2: got Jedi. Oh no, it's three because Star Wars Jedi Knights,
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  Speaker 2: and then this one because I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Jedi Knights also ongoing.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, because I don't think the Doctor Afra series
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  Speaker 2: is ongoing either. I think it is a Maxi series.
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  Speaker 3: And what about did Vader did like the normal Darth
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  Speaker 3: Vader line already conclude?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because they've kind of moved past the time period
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  Speaker 2: they were in because they were doing Return of the Returner,
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  Speaker 2: they were doing Empire Strikes back to Return of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 3: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I think this kind of the the legacy
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  Speaker 2: of Vader took over the Vader spot because you still
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  Speaker 2: have Vader elements.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I would like.
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  Speaker 2: To correct myself. Doctor Afra Chaos Agent is also an
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  Speaker 2: ongoing series. So you have Star Wars and Doctor Afra
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  Speaker 2: Chaos Agent taking place after Return of the Jedi, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have Jedi Knights in the prequel trilogy, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have here in the sequel trilogy with legacy
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  Speaker 2: of Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I might actually like jump in more into this
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars like line, because again, just like how we
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  Speaker 3: were discussing off stream, you know a little behind the
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  Speaker 3: scenes here, the ongoing Star Wars is of course past
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  Speaker 3: Return of the Jedi. This is all unknown territory. Like,
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  Speaker 3: this is literally new story, and you can say it's
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  Speaker 3: all new story for all the comics because it's literally
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  Speaker 3: just stuff that we haven't been told. But they were
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  Speaker 3: reached somewhere. They were like they had to have an
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  Speaker 3: endpoint to be at a specific spot here. There is
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  Speaker 3: a large gap, a very large gap between Return of
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  Speaker 3: the Jedi and Force Wakens.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: If Marvel would be so bold as to let Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: or I guess Lucasfilm also like would be so bold
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  Speaker 3: to let these creators and writers fill in that entire gap.
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  Speaker 3: Moving forward, that would be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am definitely looking forward to us talking about
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  Speaker 2: the first the first Star Wars run, but I think
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  Speaker 2: that trade comes out February. I want to say, all right,
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  Speaker 2: all right, that's when you can expect it from us.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: We're still planning the first quarter of twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll get there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we will. But with that, let's jump into Legacy
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  Speaker 3: of Vader. Katie. First initial thoughts, What were you What
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  Speaker 3: were you feeling opening this book? Did you feel like?
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  Speaker 3: What were you kind of expecting?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: What were your I feel like this book was exactly
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  Speaker 4: what I expected, especially having basically jumped right from Charles
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  Speaker 4: Stol's Vader Run to.
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  Speaker 2: This, I feel like that's exactly what I expected. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, guys, Charles Stul writes the comic book Luke Ross.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's Luke Ross right. Luke Ross is the artist,
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Woodard is the color artist. DC's so so Kramagna
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  Speaker 2: is the letter.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, with Clayton Cow's uh, but also Stefano Rafaeli did
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  Speaker 3: the free comic book day version as well as UH
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  Speaker 3: issues four and five.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, I don't have my trade in front of you.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason, I decided to delay my shipment the
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  Speaker 2: next week. I guess it's like a, oh, I get
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  Speaker 2: to open something on my birthday because that's what it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to come in, so we'll see what happens. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't have my hard copy in front of me.
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  Speaker 3: So you saying this is exactly how you thought it
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  Speaker 3: was going to be. I read about before you.
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  Speaker 2: Before you answer that, did you go back and read
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  Speaker 2: the Rise of KYLEO wrin before this one?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I did, And apparently I never actually read the Rise
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  Speaker 2: of Kylo Wrenn because I didn't remember any of that
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  Speaker 2: stuff happening. But I think that also helped set me
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  Speaker 2: up for success with this one.
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  Speaker 3: Is because I was, Okay, I need to go back
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  Speaker 3: and read some of this because and and I will
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  Speaker 3: say this, I got the whole story. Like if if
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  Speaker 3: you honestly look at this as because it tells you
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  Speaker 3: like right at the beginning, I think you have a
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  Speaker 3: small introduction with a new character, and then it literally
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  Speaker 3: says on the very first page after the Battle of Create,
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  Speaker 3: so you know exactly where the timeline excuse me, where
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  Speaker 3: the timeline is with this book? Yeah, when I read
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  Speaker 3: this I got about halfway through, so through issue two,
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  Speaker 3: and my initial thoughts after that were, why do we
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  Speaker 3: even have this story right now? Because, again, not knowing
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  Speaker 3: that it was an ongoing I thought this was a
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  Speaker 3: mini series. So with the knowledge of a mini series,
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking you have to, like, every single page has
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  Speaker 3: to count because you have limited time for a limited series.
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  Speaker 3: Now knowing that it's ongoing, this has a better exposition
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  Speaker 3: build up for a longer story, building up Kylo Wren's character.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I truly think this is is Soul
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  Speaker 2: wanted a chance to play around with Kyla Ren because
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  Speaker 2: reading the Rise of Kyla Ren, which we haven't like
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  Speaker 2: reviewed on this show, but reading the Rise of Kylo Rent,
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  Speaker 2: I can tell with that mini series there was more
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  Speaker 2: that Soul wanted to be put in to Kylo Rit.
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  Speaker 2: But because it's in the build up too, I think
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  Speaker 2: that one was done, like is the build up to
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  Speaker 2: the Last Jedi. So because that was done, where okay,
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  Speaker 2: we is literally a mini series was four issues, like,
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  Speaker 2: we have to get this done. I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: had quite as much time. So being able to do
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  Speaker 2: this ongoing series I think was super cool for Soul.
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  Speaker 2: But also to integrate a lot of the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: he's done previously and tying all of his stories together
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  Speaker 2: really besides pot dammaroon. So yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Tak taking that into account, and then of course kind
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  Speaker 3: of revisiting my thoughts. I enjoy this book. I'm intrigued
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  Speaker 3: by the elements of this, Like there's there's a moment
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  Speaker 3: in here like when I when I had this thought
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  Speaker 3: of like what the hell are we doing? Was when
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  Speaker 3: you see this new character by the name of V's Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I knew it was like.
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  Speaker 2: Series. Oh is he uh huh, he's not new.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a while since I've read that. Then in
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  Speaker 3: the most.
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  Speaker 2: Recent one, I don't know if he's in souls.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't remember him in souls And I did
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  Speaker 3: I finish Karen Gillen's Vader Run.
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  Speaker 2: So here we go. I'll show you his This is
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  Speaker 2: my tall monitor. Excuse me, guys, So where is it's
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  Speaker 2: so this is like Revenge of the Sith right, or
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  Speaker 2: like this is Obi wan Kenobi? Actually, I think and
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  Speaker 2: that's bone right? There was it Obi wan Kenobi?
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  Speaker 3: Or was it? Uh? Because I did see a reference
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  Speaker 3: to what I believe was Rogue one.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been Rogue one, and then here's Crimson Rain.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah yeah, so uh looking at the same here,
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  Speaker 3: it says that, oh man, usually it tells you the
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  Speaker 3: first appearance.
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  Speaker 2: Rogue one a Star Wars story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah see Rogue one. Okay, yeah yeah, so sorry for magnets. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Venet's character so it looks like he was He's only
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  Speaker 4: been really in the.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Scott creepy series and then Crimson Rain and now this.
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  Speaker 3: So oh a little behind the scenes here on the
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  Speaker 3: Wikipedia as well. Venet was going to appear in Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars Rebels, but was replaced by various Hayden.
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  Speaker 2: Hayden, I don't recognize that name.
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  Speaker 3: But uh, getting back into his character here, so not
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  Speaker 3: new character, but seeing him here again. There's a moment
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  Speaker 3: where he is telling Kylo that they need to go
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  Speaker 3: to Naboo and like we hear the story of Anakin
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  Speaker 3: and pad May falling in love, right, And Kylo's like,
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  Speaker 3: are you telling me the other way I could seek
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  Speaker 3: powers if I've fall in love.
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  Speaker 2: I started tackling and I was like it.
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  Speaker 3: Which is really funny in retrospect, just because of what
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  Speaker 3: happens in the last Jedi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's just so mad that he fell
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  Speaker 2: for the scavenger.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah uh, And that was kind of like like that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of my moment of like, what exactly are
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  Speaker 3: we doing here? And I love one thing that I asked,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely love more writers need to do this if I
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  Speaker 3: ask myself a question, and then in the book there
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  Speaker 3: is another character that asks the main character the question
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  Speaker 3: that I am asking myself reading this book, and they
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  Speaker 3: actually give an actual answer. Yes, I love this. I
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  Speaker 3: love this because there's like that is just smart writing.
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  Speaker 3: In my mind. It's just like, hey, there's I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: do something really kind of outrageous or confusing to the reader,
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  Speaker 3: but I promise it's all gonna be worth it in
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  Speaker 3: the end. Right, That's basically what it is. And you
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  Speaker 3: probably know which part I'm talking about when he is
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  Speaker 3: like forming a small resistance yeah to the first Order
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  Speaker 3: on Naboo. Yeah, on Naboo. And I was like, what
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  Speaker 3: in the world because the panel sequence and everything kind
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  Speaker 3: of got me all off. I was like, what is
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  Speaker 3: going on? How did we get here? What's like, why
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  Speaker 3: are we doing this? And I think it was either
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a venet that was like, Kylo,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing, like why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, thank god, I'm not the
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  Speaker 3: only one asking myself this question, like that, there's actually
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  Speaker 3: some coming sense here and when like it almost Charles
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  Speaker 3: so cleverly got the voice of Kylo Rin really really well.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that, And you may
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  Speaker 3: think of this as like a diss on Adam Driver
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  Speaker 3: and his way of like speaking when he was Kilo Wren,
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  Speaker 3: but like there was all these jokes back in the
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  Speaker 3: day about like oh emo Kylo, right, he was just
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  Speaker 3: an angsty teenage like emo Kylo or like adult, you know,
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  Speaker 3: young adult, and like I could, I could hear that voice.
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  Speaker 3: I could feel the angst.
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  Speaker 2: You really can in this. And that's why I feel
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  Speaker 2: like Slul really wanted to tackle this is because he
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  Speaker 2: knows that he writes Kylo Wrin very well. I will
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  Speaker 2: tell you because you mentioned having trouble following the panels,
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  Speaker 2: I had trouble with that as well. But it was
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  Speaker 2: in when he goes up the steps to Vader's Mustafar Castle.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and like.
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  Speaker 2: That huge it is not huge, it's the one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's the one prior to this.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's the one prior to that, because it's
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  Speaker 2: the little panels.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a bit much. I will be
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  Speaker 3: completely honest for those of you in the YouTube chat
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  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe this will be a Instagram highlight. Hello, guys,
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  Speaker 3: this is a bit much. I don't want to, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want people to be discouraged by reading comics
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  Speaker 3: when you see things like this. Every comic is different
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  Speaker 3: and the creative choices are always going to be for
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  Speaker 3: a reason. Here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's illustrative to like show that he's going up
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  Speaker 2: the stairs basically as this conversation, as the dialogue happens.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was.
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  Speaker 2: Really confusing, especially because still in a comic, you're still
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  Speaker 2: used to reading top to bottom, left to right, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: in this case, you needed to read the big shot
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  Speaker 2: and then you needed to go up into the right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you went up, you went You started from the
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  Speaker 3: bottom and then you go all the way up and
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  Speaker 3: then you go back down. And I think another reason
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  Speaker 3: why that is is the conflict is escalating, Like it's
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  Speaker 3: literally escalating, and then that's the end of the battle,
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  Speaker 3: so it's cooling down, is another way you can be interpreted.
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  Speaker 2: It's still not very conducive to a an electronic format
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  Speaker 2: and then be for people who aren't used to reading
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  Speaker 2: it but are like, oh, I'm a Kylo Rin fan,
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  Speaker 2: like I want to read the Kylo RN comic, Like,
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  Speaker 2: let's go read that. It could be a little wonky.
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  Speaker 2: Other than that, I really didn't have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: the art or anything. I think Luke Ross does an
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  Speaker 2: incredible job with the artistry. Like I loved his Luke
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  Speaker 2: Skywalker in the beginning with that flashback to the Great
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  Speaker 2: Battle scene. That art of Luke Skywalker was like gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: It was absolutely fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really really enjoyed this art. I really enjoyed
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  Speaker 3: the covers as well. If you get the physical first volume,
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  Speaker 3: every single time a new chapter starts, you will see
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  Speaker 3: the covers here. They look absolutely gorgeous. Yeah. The one
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  Speaker 3: thing that I will be hesitant on is why does
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  Speaker 3: he dress like Han Solo? This is my thing, like why,
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  Speaker 3: like why. I understand he doesn't want to be immediately
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  Speaker 3: recognized as as Kylo Ren right or anything to do
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  Speaker 3: with the first order, but just the costumed choice, the design.
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  Speaker 3: I would really like to see if this was something
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  Speaker 3: that the artists chose or if this was Charles Soul
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  Speaker 3: like kind of doing a wink and a nod towards
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  Speaker 3: the Han solo, and it might.
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  Speaker 2: Be okay, he's like making conscious decisions to, like relatively speaking,
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  Speaker 2: forgive his father to set up the Rise of Skywalker.
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  Speaker 2: But also, this is why I found reading The Rise
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  Speaker 2: of Kilo Wren helpful, is because the Knights of Wren
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  Speaker 2: put him in a very similar costume. They don't put
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  Speaker 2: him in blue, they put him in all black. Ah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but before he joins the Knights of Wren, he's in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a very similar costume. So I could find it both
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: ways that it's a Han solo nod in and of itself,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: or he just is like, hey, I'm used to wearing
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: these kinds of things when I'm quote unquote undercover. So yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: what did you think about him getting captured by Guardulla
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the Hut?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: And then I was going to ask you the same
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: question as.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: It turned around, because I was super confused. I thought
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Soul was going to go in the direction of, Okay,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the letout rescue thing that happens, like was going to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: be like all in his head in like it was
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: all like a memory. But then as the kept reading,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, this is not he's not dreaming
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: this or this is not like a forced imagination ghost thing.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: This is all legit. And so I was convoluted. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was confused on that from a storyteller. But the art
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: was great. It was the story where I was like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: what the heck is happening.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I I was a bit confused for one again, because
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: my mind does you know, I consume entertainment so many times.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: This force user here's super weird. I don't know who
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: that is and I don't think they actually say their name. Uh.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But basically it's like, hey, you don't think I was
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: gonna learn from my family's mistakes, like I'm I'm I'm
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: gonna have my own force user from here on out.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: That kind of threw me in for a loop. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so it's not gonna be as
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: easy for Kylo to do this. But then he has
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: ah a dream of vision whatever you want to call
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: it with Darth Vader, and Darth Vader says one of
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the coldest lines, He's like, yeah, everything that made me
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: magnificent I did on my own.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, damn.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And so this, you know, musters up the strength from
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Kylo and he demands that the Hut say the one
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: thing that he's been saying by shocking him all the time,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: you know, obey, obey, obey, And I like how like
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: again it also speaks to like how inexperienced. Uh and
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna say week, but like somewhat
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Kylo really is because before the dream he kept getting
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: shocked and shocked and shocked and shocked. He's like, you've
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: kept me here for days. Don't confine me and the
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: huts like it's been an hour, dude, Like it's been
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: an hour.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Like, dude, you're not doing so hot.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Huh oh, so out Like when that happened, I was like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: oh shit, like what's gonna happen now? But he does
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: muster all his strength and escapes and eventually you see
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: him like fight this like weird dragon. I don't know
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: if that that didn't look like a crate dragon, is
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: it supposed to be a creak dragon.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I felt like it was too small, but I felt
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the same immediate thought. Maybe it was a baby create dragon.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe, But this very much I think might be a
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: little bit of a callback to Soul's run when Vader
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: was hunting uh oh shoot target and his hired bounty hunters.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That's why I was like, That's why I thought it
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: was fake is because of like the creek dragon or
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the dragon coat thing, and than him like wandering through
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the wild. Basically, I was like, what the heck?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but for him to just like find a radio,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: tell the person order, hey bomb this place, just bombard
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: it was pretty cold.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Wikipedia says that it is a canyon.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Creek dragon, canyon crep dragon, so it was a creat dragon,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So I like, I think this is just another like
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: way of showing that uh Kylo was still petty. He
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: is still petty. Kills the hut immediately, but I was
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: surprised that he would still go along with Venet after that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I was too.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But I think he's still so desperate to figure out
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: what it is that he's supposed to be doing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: M hmm, that he's just kind.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Of going along with him and figuring out his family
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: heritage along the way. In Vinet's own twisted sort of way,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it is like part of the process and really is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: setting him up because I'm sure Venet is still working
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: for Palpatine, and so Palpatine's probably going Okay, hey, we're
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: manipulating him into this path so that he can come
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to me on Exagal. Like, I'm like fairly certain one
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: of the last scenes of this comic book is going
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to be Palpatine going, hey, go find this wayfinder basically
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: or the the you know what I'm talking about, the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: sith holocron pyramid device thinging, Yeah, so he can get
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to Exigon on the right Skywalker, Like, I feel like
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that's where this.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Is gonna end.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I can see that. I can very much see that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: We like we spoke very light on it. But the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: scenes of Naboo, the fact that like he is so
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: in this like oh, I have to destroy the past,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you know, and then like him and Vine were kind
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: of like going back and forth on this, like oh,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: it's the past that strengths like strengthens him and all
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: this stuff. When Kylo finally makes the realization like no,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: like he Vader saw that this, like everything in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: past made him weak. He destroyed it so that way
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: he would no longer have to deal with it, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: he makes it. It's so weird because he makes the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: realization but then immediately starts to help Naboo and his
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: reasoning is, Hey, I'm wanting to make you guys like
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: stop relying on the past, stop like thinking of yourselves
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: as like, oh well we were this once, so we
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: have to be this. Like he he creates a situation
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: all on his own, demanding that he is now king
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: as well as helping a resistance. It was so weird.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: It was I was so confused when this was going down.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, it wants to be a superhero.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: It's so funny because I was like, this is some
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: weird like Robin stuff, like like some sort of like
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: teenage superhero like is making some weird thing happen so
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: that way he can, you know, be the hero. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: was like, what is going on, Like why is he
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: doing this? And he gives the reason to an a
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: like after everything happens, and he's just like okay, fine, yeah, okay.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And then when the resistance comes in and they're like
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: we did it. We totally did it, like it was
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: all up like thank you, like thank you so much.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And I actually want to look at the exact wording
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: because the page turn on this and they do it
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: so well. The they do it specifically to where this
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: person is like, uh no, one no one on Naboot
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: will ever forget what did what you did for us.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: We'll make sure of it. And he says, I see
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you flip the page and everyone's dead everyone and again,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: like I keep picturing that one scene in the Force
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: awakens when he like just is repeatedly like slashing down
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: on those computers. Yeah, I'm just like this dude has
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: some anger issues, like straight up issues, he does.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And especially like comparing and contrasting this versus the Rise
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: of Kyle Wrenn, you see that he really has just
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: been so stuck in a hey, I had the best
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: parents in the world, that saved the galaxy kind of thing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: How am I ever supposed to live up to that basically,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and he's still struggling with that at the end of
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the day ten years later, I think is when this
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: is is? I think is whomen decided this was Yes? Yeah,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: so I really enjoyed this though. I thought it was
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: really good and sets up a lot for the future,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: just to keep winding down this path. Like in the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: last issue, issue number six, we run into supposedly the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: last Order sixty six survivor.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, uh, they're not even the Wrin person.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That was like, that's supposed to be in like the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: later issues. I thought it was going to be like
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the Tala Ren that we got so many like promo
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: images about, and that like we were talking about in
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: our Starboard Alliance chat with Snell. He was like, how
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: many orders sixty six survivors is there going to be?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: But then we get this person and they're like alien,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: They're not even remotely shaped like tolerant. So I don't
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: think she's hiding. Is this person like.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: And we don't even get a name. That's the thing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Not yet on the it is technically on the preview
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: page for.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: The next issue in Oh really in the.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: In the electronic copy, hang on, let me pull it
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: back up.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it says next Kylo Renn continues on his
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: quest to kill the Past, and it's this page and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: it says on a distance no covered planet, Kylo Renn
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: has met his match against former Jedi Grandia Grandia and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: it says flashbacks to the Clone Wars era.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: So I I know, Well, the thing is, I know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Travis said he was interested in this. Yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: in this series, I almost want to send him a
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: screenshot of this character of this character, uh and just
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: say hey, add another to the list, just to see
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: his reaction. Yeah, Because I mean.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: This also is one that, like, I feel like, she
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: looks very different compared to any Order sixty six survivor
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that we've seen, So I can at least appreciate that
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that is alien.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And we have well and she's what and.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: She's a larger alien, So we're ging representation on all spectrums.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: What I was gonna say is, you know, via our
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: conversation last week, let's just hope that we see an
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Order sixty six survivor that's not stationed on Corroussant. Hopefully,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm sure it will be, because that has
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that has to be something that these people talk about.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Whenever they bring up a new survivor. It's just like, hey, yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: does this one need to be on coruscon not on
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: coursont what's gonna happen? Blah blah blah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: But I feel like sol I feel like, because this
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: is a comic book specific character, I feel like Soul
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: can set her up to be on a mission when
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: things happen, because nobody's really going to pinpoint her or
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: go look for her in the background of an Order
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: sixty six flashback on screen. Really yeah, or maybe she
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: is there? Who knows kind of thing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: We will just have to wait and see. I have
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: no idea when Volume two is set to release, doesn't
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: say here, And I don't even know how many issues
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: are on Marvel Unlimited.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Currently five issues currently are on Marvel Unlimited. So and
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I'm betting number six is supposed to be coming out
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: tomorrow because it came out June sixth.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Orly it says July ninth. I don't know whatever, So
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it says Reign of Kyler Wrin is currently the Reign
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of Kylo Wrin Volume two is currently due out March thirty,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: first six.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I see that, yep, all right, and this will have
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: issues seven through twelve, all right, yeah, who cool?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: But in our issues out so if you go purchase
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it at your local comic shop or online, you can
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: get up to issue number eight.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will say if anybody does collect like
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: variant covers and things like that, this volume does have
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: majority of those in the back. They look absolutely gorgeous,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: amazing artwork. So if you're into that, type of thing
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: like I love that yeah with Pad and Anakin, I
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: really love that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: That's pretty yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Really really cool stuff. But I think that is it
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: for this review. Of course, we don't get into the
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: nitty gritty too much on these because there's a whole
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: bunch of stuff with general Hawks and and all of
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: that that I think that you guys should be experiencing yourself.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: So go check out this volume one. But yeah, of
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: course you can always find me at Fanboy clay over
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, Blue Sky, or Threads. Go check out the
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: geek Ultimate Alliance channel as well on Instagram. I've been
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: pushing out a lot of content there. I want to
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: go ahead and apologize. I want to apologize to all
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the other shows. I need a better way. I need
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: to set up my notifications for the other shows so
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: that way I can post them all in a timely manner.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I've already talked to Joe for his most recent episode.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I want to go ahead and give him a shout out.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: He did have a a writer guest on his show
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: this week, Ryan Parrott. Really cool writer. Of course, he
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: has written stuff for Power Rangers. Most recently he's been
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: doing Rogue Sun Over image, and he's also doing a
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Boom Studios but or not Boom Studios sorry, Mad Cave book.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: So go check those out as well as the interview
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: that Joe did so you know, shameless plug over for him.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and then of course Ranger Alliance go check
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: that out as well. Katie. What about you, y'all?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: You can find me on most social media platforms at
• 41:32
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• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky, and threads. You can find our page. It's
• 41:40
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• 41:42
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• 41:45
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• 41:53
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• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So with that, guys, I want to run a great
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: day or night whenever time the day you are listening
• 42:05
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• 42:07
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