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Trump Closes With Small Fries and Big D*cks · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. On today's show. An exhausted Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 1: talking dicks and flipping burgers as both campaigns race to
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  Speaker 1: get those last remaining undecided voters off the fence.
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  Speaker 2: I'd much rather be talking burgers and flipping dicks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you high-fived on that?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was coming.
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  Speaker 1: I like to surprise you guys. Kamala Harris continues her
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  Speaker 1: sprint through the battlegrounds with help from Barack Obama, Liz Cheney,
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  Speaker 1: and many others, while the world's richest man launches a
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  Speaker 1: legally questionable million-dollar sweepstakes to help Trump. And later, friend
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  Speaker 1: of the pod Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz talks to Lovett
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  Speaker 1: about how the race is looking and the most important
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  Speaker 1: things everyone can do to help. But first, Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: may very well win this race, but with two weeks
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  Speaker 1: to go, he seems to be losing steam and his mind.
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  Speaker 1: A Trump advisor reportedly told an outlet that their 78-year-old
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  Speaker 1: candidate has been canceling interviews because he's, quote, exhausted. A
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  Speaker 1: recent Associated Press headline reads, quote, A failed mic leaves
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump pacing the stage in silence for nearly 20
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  Speaker 1: minutes in Detroit. This was after he stopped taking questions
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  Speaker 1: at a Pennsylvania town hall so he could rock out
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  Speaker 1: to Ave Maria and YMCA for a good half hour
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  Speaker 1: or so. And whenever Trump does speak, his rhetoric lurches
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  Speaker 1: from deranged to absurd. Here he is with Fox News'
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  Speaker 1: Howie Kurtz over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: The other day you called it a day of love.
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  Speaker 3: That sparked a lot of reaction.
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  Speaker 4: Can you understand why many Americans would view it as
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  Speaker 4: a dark and tragic.
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  Speaker 5: Day in our history?
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  Speaker 6: The crowd I spoke before, which you rarely see, I
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  Speaker 6: have pictures of it, they're massive, but nobody wants to
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  Speaker 6: put them in, was the biggest crowd I've ever spoken to,
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  Speaker 6: and I've spoken.
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  Speaker 7: To the biggest crowds. I've never seen that many people.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, there was a beauty to it and
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  Speaker 1: there was a love to it that I've never seen before.
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  Speaker 2: The enemy within is a pretty ominous phrase if you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about other Americans.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's accurate.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: After our interview, Donald Trump flew to Pennsylvania Arnold Palmer's hotel,
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  Speaker 2: where he discussed the golfer's side of his manhood.
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  Speaker 7: This is a guy that was all man.
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  Speaker 1: His man was strong and tough.
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  Speaker 8: And I refuse to say it, but when he took
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  Speaker 8: showers with the other pros, they came out of there,
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  Speaker 8: they said, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: That's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: I had to say it. He had to say it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: why do you guys think he felt the need to
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  Speaker 1: tell the crowd that the late Arnold Palmer was hung
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  Speaker 1: like a one wood?
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  Speaker 9: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about in that whole package.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, why did Howie Kurtz have a four-packs-a-day
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  Speaker 3: voice in the interview, and then he sounded normal after?
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  Speaker 2: What was going on there? This is neither here nor there,
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  Speaker 2: but also, Howie Kurtz, he looked like he was from
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  Speaker 2: the 70s. Not in a good or bad way, but
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  Speaker 2: his haircut looked like he was reporting on the oil
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  Speaker 2: embargo during the Carter era. It was a deeply weird... Interview.
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  Speaker 2: Do you shower together after you golf?
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  Speaker 1: This was one of my first questions. Like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a golfer, but it doesn't seem like a shower afterwards
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  Speaker 1: type of sport.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Ben Dreyfuss did some original reporting on this.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys see this?
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, I was going to bring it up, and then
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how to explain Ben's
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  Speaker 1: reporting in a way that is appropriate even for this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's cool that of.
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  Speaker 2: The three of us, I'm not the one that went
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  Speaker 2: deeper into whether or not Arnold Palmer had a giant
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  Speaker 2: dick deep down the dong.
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  Speaker 1: It's a weird story. Ben Dreyfuss did. Ben Dreyfuss did.
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  Speaker 9: And?
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that he does not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily have a big dick. Had.
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  Speaker 2: Circum.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Rest in peace.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dead.
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  Speaker 1: He's dead.
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  Speaker 2: He's dead.
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  Speaker 1: He died in 2016. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They had to push that lid down on the coffin
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  Speaker 2: pretty hard.
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  Speaker 7: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: This is what this campaign has done to us. There's
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  Speaker 3: nothing left to talk about except for this dead golfer's junk.
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  Speaker 1: This is the point, too.
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  Speaker 5: Like.
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  Speaker 1: We're skipping over how in the interview he was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that the violent attack on the Capitol
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  Speaker 1: was a day of love. And I do think the
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  Speaker 1: Democrats are the enemy within, which, again, we predicted this
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  Speaker 1: would happen. I think this was like right after Mike Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Johnsons, went on Meet the Press or somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and was asked about this. And he's like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: not what he meant. That's not what he meant. And
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  Speaker 1: sure enough, Donald Trump's like, this is exactly what I meant.
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  Speaker 3: Punish Adam Schiff.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I meant. Whatever Glenn Youngkin said, whatever Mike
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  Speaker 1: Johnson said, whatever anyone else is saying to try to
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  Speaker 1: defend me, this is exactly what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of, it's, if Trump were on a
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  Speaker 2: unicycle saying I'm going to imprison my enemies, it's still dangerous,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's pretty funny that he's on a unicycle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a deranged clown can be funny, but like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you give him the nukes, not so funny.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: In general, how do you guys think the let Trump
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  Speaker 1: be Trump strategy is playing out in the final weeks here?
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  Speaker 1: Net positive, net negative?
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  Speaker 3: I think on balance, it's a net negative. Like, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to argue that if you were just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: had like a disciplined message about the economy for the
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  Speaker 3: remainder of campaign, that that would.
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  Speaker 2: Probably help him.
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  Speaker 3: Calling January 6th a day of love absolutely unequivocally hurts
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  Speaker 3: him and repeating it on how it hurts him. I
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  Speaker 3: think the Arnold Palmer stuff, like, look, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of young men in particular hear this and just think
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  Speaker 3: it's funny. They think it's Trump is authentic.
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  Speaker 1: He's goofy.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't care about being politically correct or saying the
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  Speaker 3: right thing. Like, the head-spinning part about this is always
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  Speaker 3: that he wins evangelical voters, like, 95 to 1, and
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  Speaker 3: you would think that the kind of Mike Pence's of
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  Speaker 3: the world are the people who would find this offensive.
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  Speaker 1: In some way.
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  Speaker 3: Or, you know, the people get mad about, like, a
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  Speaker 3: Disney character not being white every few years just to, like,
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  Speaker 3: kind of brush this stuff off.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's just... Look, there's a little bit of politics
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  Speaker 2: in him talking about Arnold Palmer having a big dick,
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  Speaker 2: which is, like, he was a real man. He was...
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  Speaker 2: There used to be real men in this country. We
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  Speaker 2: celebrate real masculine... men. And the other side doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: With big dicks.
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  Speaker 2: Big swinging dicks. Big golfing dicks.
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  Speaker 1: Bunch of guys in the shower just, even I'm uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't even need clubs, this Arnold Palmer guy. He's
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  Speaker 2: just out there with a putter, fucking buck ass naked, golfing.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you about the only pole that matters.
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  Speaker 2: I just think like, look, it doesn't matter how, look,
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  Speaker 2: any great golfer will tell you, You can have a
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  Speaker 2: heavier club. You can have a lighter club.
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  Speaker 3: It's about touch.
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  Speaker 2: It's about finesse.
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  Speaker 1: I was waiting for Tommy to make the motion. I
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  Speaker 1: beat him to it.
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  Speaker 2: I beat him to it.
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  Speaker 1: About a short game.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Continue. What else were we going to talk about? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look.
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  Speaker 2: What else were we going to talk about, John?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you can say in these
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  Speaker 1: final weeks he is not driving much of a message himself.
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  Speaker 1: We can separate him from the campaign, of course. His
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  Speaker 1: campaign is running all kinds of ads. They are driving
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  Speaker 1: a very specific message. He is not driving much of one.
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  Speaker 1: There was also a time story. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you guys saw this. last week about how he's just,
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend, how he's just bored of the economy.
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  Speaker 1: That's why he's making it all about immigration. Like when
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  Speaker 1: he does drive a message, it's almost exclusively about immigration
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  Speaker 1: because he thinks the crowd seems bored by it, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is very revealing.
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  Speaker 3: It's what the crowd likes and it's what he likes.
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  Speaker 3: He's genuinely passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think like with Trump, the medium is the message.
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  Speaker 2: I think when he's ranting and raving in front of
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  Speaker 2: his biggest fans, I think his biggest fans like it
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  Speaker 2: when it gets outside of that. I think it hurts him.
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  Speaker 2: I think the kind of goofy, rambling, occasionally funny Trump
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  Speaker 2: in a podcast setting. I think they think it's better
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  Speaker 2: for him than sitting down for mainstream interviews. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's as helpful as their campaign would want it
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  Speaker 2: to be because he is so, he's just lost a step.
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  Speaker 2: So even when he's doing his greatest hits, he's just
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  Speaker 2: not bringing the same energy to it.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have many more steps to lose at this point.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 1: He's almost out of steps.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen these clips of Frankie Valli? Frankie Valli
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  Speaker 2: has a Vegas show, I believe. And basically, they kind
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  Speaker 2: of wheel out 90-some-odd-year-old Frankie Valli, and he kind of
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  Speaker 2: holds the mic up here, and then they just play
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  Speaker 2: his greatest hits. And increasingly, that's what Trump is like.
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  Speaker 2: They kind of get him out there, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: we used to be tough in this country. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Jews might be responsible. And it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: like he's a random number generator, and just like some
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  Speaker 2: part of the Trump large language model will kind of
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  Speaker 2: spit something out.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bit of... You'll be surprised to learn there's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of hyperbole that like whenever Trump says something
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  Speaker 1: crazy now, they try to like put everything in the
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  Speaker 1: dementia frame, right? He's lost it. like the Arnold Palmer
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  Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think it's not that, even though some,
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  Speaker 1: some people were treating it like that.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't tell it as well as he would have
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  Speaker 2: five years ago. He would have been more charming and
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  Speaker 2: funny about it a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. But I do think when you combine the,
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  Speaker 1: like the weird swaying to YMCA and Ave Maria at
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  Speaker 1: that town hall with the 20 minutes of walking around
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  Speaker 1: in silence while he's waiting for a mic. Also, no
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  Speaker 1: one could get him a mic in 20 minutes. It's inexplicable.
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  Speaker 1: That seems great. Inexplicable.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have another mic.
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  Speaker 1: And just like, The rallies, the rambling, the speeches are
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  Speaker 1: going on for even longer than usual, and they've always
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  Speaker 1: been really long. Again, if you watch a rally or
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  Speaker 1: an interview with a MAGA-friendly outlet, which is the only
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  Speaker 1: ones he does now, I think you will not be
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  Speaker 1: impressed with Donald Trump. And you're right, the podcast ones,
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  Speaker 1: maybe some people are impressed with that, some of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast interviews, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: The irony is he only does stuff in his safe space.
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  Speaker 3: He's on like kind of podcasts with former wrestlers like
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  Speaker 3: The Undertaker or kind of Barstool Sports type shows or
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  Speaker 3: Fox kind of friendly audiences. But he does better when
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  Speaker 3: he's pressed a little bit. When he did the thing
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  Speaker 3: with John Micklethwaite, the editor of Bloomberg News, they got
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  Speaker 3: into a back and forth and Trump was pissed he
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  Speaker 3: was punching back and he got aggressive and it made
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  Speaker 3: him a little more disciplined and also he was getting
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  Speaker 3: cut off by micklethwaite so he couldn't go on he
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do the weave for 35 minutes about some bizarre
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  Speaker 3: story that ends with you know the the golden bear's
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  Speaker 3: ass is kind of like the punchline it's like he
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  Speaker 3: he gets forced to be a little more focused and
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  Speaker 3: like And I think when he's on when he's just
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  Speaker 3: like alone at a mic, he ends up in going
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  Speaker 3: on these diatribes that hurt him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Two of Trump's comms people did an interview with
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  Speaker 1: Semaphore where they said that the freewheeling Trump is a
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  Speaker 1: strategic choice to counteract the Harris campaign's portrayal of him.
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  Speaker 1: And basically they said that, you know, if voters see
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  Speaker 1: Trump laughing and joking, I've never seen him laugh. They
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  Speaker 1: know he can't possibly be a threat to democracy. Do
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  Speaker 1: you agree with that general idea?
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  Speaker 2: I agree that that's what they're trying to do. And
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  Speaker 2: I think there's some validity to it. I do think
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  Speaker 2: that if the only thing people saw was Trump laughing
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: it up at a McDonald's or having a funny moment
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  Speaker 2: on a podcast with Theo Vaughn about Coke, and then
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  Speaker 2: what they see on television is Liz Cheney being like,
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  Speaker 2: he will end democracy. I think that that is their
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  Speaker 2: fair pushback, but it's not enough. It doesn't counteract the
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  Speaker 2: other many clips of him actually issuing the threats and
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  Speaker 2: doing all of the rest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're kind of, we're trying to retrofit
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  Speaker 3: reality into a strategy here. You know, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think the thing that prevents people from thinking that he
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  Speaker 3: is some scary authoritarian threat to democracy is his four
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  Speaker 3: years in office and the fact that he's like the
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  Speaker 3: best known celebrity on the planet. I'm sure these interviews
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  Speaker 3: help him goofing around, being fun and talking about like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the guy who took over for Lou Gehrig.
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  Speaker 3: That all helps Wally Pipp. But yeah, I mean, these
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  Speaker 3: guys are trying to make it sound like they have
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  Speaker 3: some sort of strategic genius here when it's just their
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  Speaker 3: guy doing Trump jazz.
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  Speaker 1: I thought What was most revealing about that is that
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  Speaker 1: they are concerned that he appears as a threat to democracy.
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  Speaker 1: And they know that that is not that is not
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  Speaker 1: politically helpful to him. And so that they are trying
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  Speaker 1: this in the first place. Agree with you guys that
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  Speaker 1: they're not quite succeeding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I just think that like there are two
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  Speaker 2: campaigns running like Donald Trump is is a is not strategic,
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  Speaker 2: but he has smart people around him. Everything they do
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  Speaker 2: isn't going to be stupid. Trump is going to get
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  Speaker 2: wins on the board. He's going to have effective moments.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to have charming moments. I think to Tommy's point, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to turn the fact that they can't really
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  Speaker 2: figure out what to do with him at a rally
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  Speaker 2: to stop him from going off script for an hour
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  Speaker 2: and a half. They're trying to turn that into an advantage.
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  Speaker 2: But reading that interview, I was like, well, this is
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  Speaker 2: pretty smart. Now, you then remember, wait, the person they're
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  Speaker 2: describing is Donald Trump. No, he's not having this incredibly
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  Speaker 2: successful interview on these platforms. He's not delivering what they're
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  Speaker 2: claiming he's delivering. But there's a part of that interview
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  Speaker 2: where they talk about why they prefer going to comedians
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  Speaker 2: and others than going to national media that a member
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  Speaker 2: of the Kamala Harris campaign could absolutely say that like
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  Speaker 2: less charged and toxic conversations. And I'm like, well, that's smart.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They're just describing like the reality of the current media landscape.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Trump event that got the most attention this weekend was
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  Speaker 1: the big visit to McDonald's in Pennsylvania. Basically the Trump
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  Speaker 1: campaign shut down a McDonald's temporarily, then picked some people
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  Speaker 1: to go through the drive-through so Trump could serve them
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  Speaker 1: fries and repeat the Weird lie he keeps telling that
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris never worked at McDonald's. Just no basis in
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  Speaker 1: that at all. Obviously, this drove everyone a little crazy.
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  Speaker 1: The one CBS reporter did ask Trump a substantive question
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  Speaker 1: about the minimum wage. Let's listen. So take that as
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  Speaker 1: a no. Maybe. Yes. This whole stunt photo op event,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, generated quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: of attention and blowback. What'd you guys think? You got
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I did get McDonald's this morning. I was so angry.
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  Speaker 1: I was so mad. Advertising works. Branding works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it definitely made me want McDonald's more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think I think Donald Trump putting
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  Speaker 2: on and taking off an apron for the first time
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  Speaker 2: in his life at a closed McDonald's while he pretends
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  Speaker 2: to serve food to super fans recruited, I suppose, by
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  Speaker 2: either the campaign or the MAGA owner of this franchise. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a good picture. I think it's a good picture
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  Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. But I think we have to like
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  Speaker 2: it's so hard to get out of the like he's
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  Speaker 2: in a like all the kind of like joking and
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  Speaker 2: making it about the picture of And not about the
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  Speaker 2: fact that like, of course, he doesn't support raising the
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  Speaker 2: minimum wage. Like Donald Trump would be a disaster for
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  Speaker 2: people who work at McDonald's. It is a sick fucking
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  Speaker 2: joke that he's putting on this apron.
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  Speaker 1: Last time he was president, he tried to take away
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  Speaker 1: health care of millions of people. Many of them probably
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  Speaker 1: work to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: He's opposed to their ability to unionize. He will take
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  Speaker 2: away their basic health care protections.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't want to pay overtime.
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  Speaker 2: He will cut taxes for billionaires and corporations and make
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  Speaker 2: a national sales tax that regular people will have to
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: pay to cover the difference. Like it's just, it's the whole,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: the idea that he is this candidate of the working
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: man because he's put on a fucking apron. Like, I
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: think it's a good picture for him, but it's like
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: our job to kind of not fall into the trap
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: of debating and being at the McDonald's and like getting
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: back to this, like make the picture a fucking, a joke.
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: It was a really smart event. I mean, it's really,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: really smarter than it do. I don't know why he's
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: obsessed with saying Kamala didn't work at, at McDonald's. Um, it,
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: I guess he just lets her call her inauthentic or something, but, uh, yeah,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: he got to raise that there. He, I mean, like
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: it seemed fun and funny, normal, the whole event. I mean,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: I watched the whole thing. It was like 25, 26
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: minutes of him learning to use the fry machine, doing
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: it in a suit and tie, which looks ridiculous, but
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Like he, he's authentically a fan of McDonald's.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: He eats it. He served it to athletes who won
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: national championships. It was obviously a campaign stunt. It was not,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: he didn't really work the fryer. Like he dunked it once.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: In 07, remember Obama did the SEIU Walk a Day
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: in Their Shoes event? That woman, Pauline Beck, where he
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: got up at the crack of dawn and went with her.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: They made breakfast for this man. She was a home
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: healthcare worker. She made breakfast for the man. He swept up.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: It was an actual day of work with the SEIU.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: That was different. This was just a 25-minute stunt, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: it went super viral on social media. We're all talking
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: about it. I think it was very smart.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's... I think it's like a net neutral.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's like a ton of people making fun
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: of it. A ton of people saying it's the best
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: thing ever. I can't imagine it's moving many people. I think,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: but look, there are... bunch of people who maybe don't
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: read about it but just see the picture and might
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: be like oh cool like.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: A vast majority of people people vast majority people will
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: see a clip on their tiktok or social media or
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: something and be like oh there's donald trump that's kind
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: of fun and different.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Well it broke it broke through to like you know
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: people in my life that don't pay attention much to
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: politics and i i got some text people just like
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is this it wasn't like cool it
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: was like what the fuck is.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: This yeah i i just think that like the the
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the trump people liking it i just think it's a
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: great picture It's a great picture. And then people making
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: fun of it because like, Oh, he's like the, it's
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like the worst undercover boss. Like all those kinds of jokes.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I just, I like, I do think you have to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: kind of get to like, this is somebody pretending to
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: care about working class people.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: And he will not. And like, it has to just
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: be very like, not jokey.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I think the responses that, that drove me, uh, most
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: insane are, uh, this is just like Dukakis in a tank.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's not. Oh, that was one of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the popular liberal responses on Twitter. Those people are stupid.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Another one was, oh, by the way, I did some
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: investigative reporting and that McDonald's got fined for health violations.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: That I thought was kind of funny. I'm sorry.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: But McDonald's serves millions of people every day. Nobody gets
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: fucking sick. It's amazing.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Nobody gets sick?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Very rarely. Very, very rarely.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Obviously, the Kamala Harris campaign would do this, but they
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: were showing some of the responses on TikTok, which I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: do think were very funny. It's just some young kids
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, grandpa, just put the fries in the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: fucking bag. Well, the best part of it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Is he was obsessed with the fact that you didn't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: actually have to touch the fries to get them from
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the fryer to the container before the packaging to the packaging.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, what did you think happened at a restaurant?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Do you think people were hand scooping your fries into
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the little basket.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Well, he was doing a very Trump thing, which was
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: just like talking a lot about how this and that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: The other thing, when like the people are just sitting
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: there like waiting, the people who've been hand selected by
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the campaign are just waiting there for their fries in
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: their bag so they can drive off set.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But then he did a little press conference from the
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: takeout window. So he was taking questions from the press.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: That window was so good.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It was good. It was good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It looked like, yeah, it kind of reminded me of
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: when John Amos was in, coming to America and running
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the McDowell's.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if he, uh, If he wins,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the picture of him smiling and handing out fries is
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: going to be the picture. If he loses, the picture
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of him sitting behind the window like this, which is
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: another one, that will be the picture.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: So it really just will be him at like MSG
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: or him in Coachella being like, why are you in California.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: New York for an election? Here's one response to the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: whole McDonald's thing from a Democrat that I did find compelling.
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: You've got Donald Trump putting on a little McDonald's costume
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: because he thinks that's what people do.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: They're not trying to empathize with us.
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: They are making fun of us. They are making fun
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: of us. Donald Trump thinks that people who work at
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: McDonald's are a joke. Elon Musk thinks that dangling money
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: in front of a working person is a cute thing
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: to do when the election of our lives is before us.
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: Because that's what people and billionaires like that do.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: That was AOC, of course. I liked that because I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: think it turns it into a real populist argument and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: sort of exposes the fraud without being like, nah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Which that was my scientific term for what I thought
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: most of the responses were like, nah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the world's richest man, Elon's now running a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sweepstakes in Pennsylvania where he gives a million dollars a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: day to someone who signed his super PACs petition. You
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: sign a petition saying you support the first and second amendment.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: The only requirement, of course, is that you live in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania or in one of the other swing states and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: are registered to vote. He's already given away at least
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: two checks. But if you Google how to sign up,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: all the top results are articles examining whether this is legal. Tommy,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: have you read some of those articles? And can you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: tell us if it is in fact legal?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Tommy's read an article. He's here to tell us what
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: he found.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Much like Elon.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I skimmed a couple.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Much like Donald Trump learning the fry later for the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: first time. Hey, here we are.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Kimmy Finance Law. So the law specifically says you cannot
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: pay or offer to pay someone to register to vote
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: or to vote. And those who do so can be
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: fined up to $ 10, 000 or get five years in jail
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: or both. Because basically we don't want the election turning
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: into a bunch of billionaires paying the most people to vote.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Well, some of us don't want that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Some of us don't.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Furthermore, the Department of Justice clarifies in its guidelines about
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: prosecuting election offenses that bribes include lottery chances or sweepstakes.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So making this sort of a sweepstakes for Elon does
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: not get out of jail free card. So some election
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: law experts think that this gambit from Elon is clearly illegal.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: The must defenders will say, no, he's just offering a
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: reward to people who sign his petition. He's not encouraging
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you to register to vote. But as you noted, John,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: to be eligible, you have to be registered to vote
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: or live in one of these seven swing states. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: the deadline for entering the contest just happens to be
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the deadline to register to vote in Michigan or Pennsylvania.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: So it's not subtle. It's just it's very clearly just
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: designed and, you know, talked about in concert with a
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: bunch of messages about registering or voting early. With all
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: election law things, you can find experts who say it's illegal.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: You can find those who say it's not. big picture,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think Elon is betting that no one will enforce it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: That if they do.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Good bet when you look at the history of the FEC.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Trump-friendly judges will probably get your back because they're greenlighting
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: all kinds of campaign spending these days. And if Trump
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: gets elected, obviously he will just never, ever prosecute Elon Musk.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Down the list of pardons for him.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: So I know Jamie Raskin talks about this in some
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: more detail in today's What A Day newsletter. So check
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: that out. But, you know, I think the bigger picture
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: is like, what are the politics of this? Will people
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: think it's gross?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of do. Gross or just like, oh, you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: got to you got to pay people to vote for Trump.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It feels like it does not.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I think Americans might inherently be offended by paying people
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: off to vote.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That's why that's actually the part about the AOC clip
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that I liked even more than McDonald's part is just like, oh,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: this billionaire is going to dangle a million dollars in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: front of the plebs to see if you'll vote for,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like such a.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That said, if I were I'll just say that if
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I were a registered voter in any of the swing
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: states that were eligible, I would, of course, sign this pledge.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Everybody listening, if you feel like you could sign this pledge,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I would consider doing it because you can do a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: lot more with a million dollars than Elon Musk can.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And yeah, no, the what honestly reminded me of is
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: there's like old footage and photographs of like Belgian and
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: British colonists, like throwing coins and candies at the children
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in their colonies. And that's what Elon going out there
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and like dangling in money, money in front of people
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: like genuinely reminded me of.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It's, I don't think it's very, I don't, I also
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it's very effective just from a, like, yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you can sign the, if you're a registered voter or
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you registered to vote, this still doesn't mean you're going
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to go vote.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: No.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And this suggestion is like, okay, well it's a first amendment,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: second amendment petition. So you're only going to get Republicans
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and then you're gonna have their contact info. And then,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you know, Elon can, get them with messaging and actually
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: turn them out. And no, you're just having a bunch
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: of people who want money. So they'll pretend to care
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: about the first and second amendment and sign your dumb
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: little petition.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And again, you'd have to take our word for it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of the, they interviewed some Trump campaign officials
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: about this, who of course all in background about Elon
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and the ground game and everything. And to a person,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: they were all just like, yeah, he's got his own thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: We've got our other things and he's just doing it
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: where we're happy to have them out here. But it
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: sounds like they.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But this is like, I feel like this is the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: honor of Palmer's dick of the, of the Elon shit,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: which is like, no, it's not the million dollar pledge.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It'll make sense in a second. It's the tens of millions.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: He's doing the weave.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I'm doing the weave, baby. I've been weaving.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Listen.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Do you think Trump invented the weave?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That guy's been weaving dicks forever.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It's the hundreds of millions of dollars being dropped on
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the race by Elon, by the crypto bros buying ads.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: This really is now in the homestretch. There's the Kamala
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Harris campaign And then there's the kind of twisted, bizarro,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: evil version, right? Like the Kamala Harris campaign has raised
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars. Trump has Elon's money and all of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: this crypto money and all this billionaire money from Ken
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Griffin and others. There is a real field organization. There's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: their paid-for field organization, which I really hope is working
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: about as well as you would expect an Elon-turned-on field
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: organization in the last weeks of this campaign. Then you
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: have a turnout-the-vote operation versus a... undermine and scare the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: vote operation. Like there are these two things sitting side
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: by side, and Elon is a big part of that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Last thing before we get to Kamala Harris, we mentioned
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: already the Democrats have different theories of the case about
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: how to attack Trump and company. We haven't talked about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: our former boss, Barack Obama, who's been having a really
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: good time on the campaign trail, just tearing into Trump.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Let's listen to how he did it recently.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: You would be worried if your grandpa started acting like this.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: You would.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, right?
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: You'd like call up your brother, your cousin or something
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: and be like, hey, have you seen Grandpa lately? What
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: are we going to do? But this is coming from
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: somebody who wants unchecked power. Wants the most powerful office
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: on earth with the nuclear codes and all that. Now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: the point is we don't, we... We do not need
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: to see what an older, loonier Donald Trump looks.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Like with no guardrails.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: America's ready to turn the page.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Speaking of people who like dick jokes, speeches. So that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: basically another version of the unserious man, serious consequences that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has used. I don't know. I like it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think threat to democracy can sound
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: a little vague and hard to understand in practice. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: think don't give kooky grandpa the nukes. Like that's that's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: not complicated.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I think that that was great. And it was much
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it was actually much more like there's it's really just
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: like Donald Trump would be a mad king. Sometimes we
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: talk more about the mad, sometimes talk more about the king.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And like that was, I think, more mad focus. But
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you saw a little little of the kind of the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the threat to democracy rhetoric with the phrase guardrails. with
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: no guardrails. It's very like kind of threat to democracy.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I like the word guardrails just because you can conjure
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: up a picture at least, as opposed to some of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: these words that the democracy defenders use.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows what a guardrail is.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that. But I think if you don't,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: what do you mean guardrail? The argument that Donald Trump
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: is just, he's losing it. You just don't want somebody
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: who's losing as president. You don't really need the other
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: party argument that like, oh, Mike Pence doesn't support him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: He's going to have a different group of people around him.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That is a different argument.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think that second part is a very effective argument.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think the big obstacle here, the big
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: hurdle you've got to overcome is what Tommy pointed out,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: which is everyone's like, oh yeah, we survived the first
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Trump term. And I think what you have to, the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: argument you have to make is, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And maybe you haven't tuned in since then, but this
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: would be much different because he's fucking crazier.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: This has to be new information.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He's crazier. And the people around him that were like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: somewhat normal are all gone. And the people that are there,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Your Laura Loomers, your Mike Flynn's, all these people, they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: are fucking the bottom of the barrel.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I completely agree all that with all that. I just
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: think that like Barack Obama, even at his most like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: he's we're all struggling to make this to tell this
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: story that's connecting the fact that he's a kind of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a doofus who's losing a step and wandering around the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: stage and not totally control of his faculties from the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: authoritarian strongman that's coming towards us. I think both. are
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: part of the story and we're all figuring out different
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: ways to talk about them. I think that guardrails thing
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: is just like, that's a larger argument that we don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: see there, but I get it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: All right, we're recording this on Monday afternoon, West Coast time.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And today alone, Kamala Harris did an event near Philly,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a conversation with Liz Cheney, hosted by her pal, Sarah
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Longwell and Bulwark. She was in the Detroit suburbs and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the Milwaukee suburbs. Those were after we taped. Here's a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sampling of the message she's driving in those places. This
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: is from her event in Detroit, and that was moderated
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: by Maria Shriver.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Madam Vice President, you know, everybody I talk to says,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I have to turn off the news.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: I can't read anything. I'm meditating. I'm doing yoga.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I'm so anxious.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: I just don't even know.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm eating gummies, all kinds of things, you know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? What are you doing?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Not eating gummies.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I've said many times, I do believe Donald Trump to
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: be an unserious man. But the consequences of him ever
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: being in the White House again are brutally serious. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: take it from the people who know him best. His
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: former chief of staff when he was president, two former
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: defense secretaries. his national security advisor, and of course his
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: vice president, who have all in one way or another
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: used the word that he is unfit to be president again,
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: and is dangerous.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And that illustrates the challenge from the other side she
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: goes from gummies laughing gummies to he's a dangerous threat it's.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So funny that just like i'm sorry but like shriver
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: just talking about what people are doing to deal with
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: their stress just sounded so fucking rich so rich this
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is what it was yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: So the headline in the Times from Monday morning's Pennsylvania
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: event was Cheney with Harris tells anti-abortion women it's OK
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to back her. Just wild times. What's your take on
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: what the strategy was behind these Cheney events?
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, there is a Times analysis that talks
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: about who both campaigns think are the persuadable voters left
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: out there. And the Harris campaign thinks about 10 percent
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: of voters in swing states are still winnable. And a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: big chunk of those voters are Republican women who dislike Trump.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: but need to hear more from her on the border
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: and the economy to close the deal. And these events
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: are laser focused on those women. And they also, I think,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: generally push back on the Trump criticism of Kamala Harris
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: as like a, what's it, she's a Marxist, communist, fascist
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: at this point, you know, whatever he's calling her, some
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: sort of extreme radical. When you see her up there
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: with Maria Shriver or Liz Cheney, I think that really
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: rebuts those criticisms in a pretty strong way.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I was watching the Pennsylvania one and When Kamala Harris
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: got a question about abortion and she started giving her answer,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I was watching Liz Cheney and I'm like, well, this
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is awkward because it's like, usually they're just talking about
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: things they agree on. And then Cheney asked to step
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in and then gave that answer on abortion. And it
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: just made me think, you know, there's been some criticism
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: from some corners of the internet on the left that like, oh,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is out there with the Cheneys and now
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: she's blowing the whole thing. But like, not only has
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris not moderated any positions or given up anything
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in order to get the support of Liz Cheney, there's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Liz Cheney saying, oh, by the way, I'm against abortion,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but I'm here because I think this is so important.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And by the way, these abortion bans have gone way
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: too far. She was talking about how in Texas, Ken Paxton,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the attorney general, is suing to get women's private medical
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: records because he wants to see if they've traveled over
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: state lines to get an abortion. And Liz Cheney's like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we can't do this anymore. So I thought it was like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I thought it's really effective.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, Liz Cheney, I think, is an incredible
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: spokesperson in that setting. She's doing the thing we've been
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: asking everyone to do, and it speaks to both what
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: it clearly took for her to do this and also
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the cowardice of so many others that she is basically
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: alone up there. But that was a great event. It
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: was just a great event, and it's incredibly persuasive.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see Dick Cheney out there ever,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: but yes, Liz Cheney is a very good spokesperson.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be useful in many places.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: No, and I think she's shown herself to be a
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: principled person from impeachment until now, and I think people
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: give her the benefit of the doubt.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: On a lot of the other stuff. And again, it
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: just sends the message like, yeah, we don't agree. Yeah,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I'm conservative, but there's just bigger things at stake right now.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: New York Times story that Tommy brought up. about how
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: both campaigns are identifying and thinking about undecided voters. Another
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: group of undecided voters that both the Trump and Harris
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: campaigns are targeting are disproportionately younger and less white. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: they talk about that in the piece. One example, a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: 22-year-old in Arizona, they have him in the Times piece,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: who said he doesn't care who wins and that he
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: only registered to vote because his mom made him. But
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he will vote for Harris if someone brings a ballot
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to his front door. I mean, I hope the Harris
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: campaign gets his address. That's why I have a field program.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: His name's in the piece. Give him a call. Find
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: his address. Send him a ballot.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: How long did the Times interview take, my man? You
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: care a little bit. You care enough to spend a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: whole interview talking about it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. It's a fair point.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: How much you don't care.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Trump campaign thinks that about 5% of voters are undecided.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And like you said, it's funny because we're going to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: talk about Plouffe's interview in a little bit with John Heilman,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but Plouffe said there's about 4%, but I think What
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you mentioned from the Times piece is the Harris campaign
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: thinks that up to 10% are persuadable. And the reason
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's bigger is because of those Republican women
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: or right-leaning independent women who just do not like Trump
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: but are not yet sold on Harris.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to tell just sort of how people
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: slice and dice the numbers between, like, the group of
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: voters that either won't vote or almost certainly would vote
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: for Trump, the group of people that won't vote or
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: almost certainly or probably would vote for Kamala, and then
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the group of people that are truly... going to voter
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: or may or may not vote, but are actually undecided.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: The times found that they think that 3.7% of voters
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: in battleground states are undecided, which is only 1.2 million people.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: So 1.2 million truly undecided. But I think you're right.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: These numbers, these percentages swell when you're talking about, uh,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: not voting to voting or, you know, people might be
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: persuaded to stay home basically.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, anything else you guys found notable in that story?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I just, the, uh, the refrain of how people want
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: more information and then how hard it is to get that,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that people, the readily available information. And even that when
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris does this huge round of press, how little
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of it ultimately gets to those voters. There's one piece
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: in the 20 times, no single program reached more than
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: one in three of those undecided voters.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: There's just like, I was surprised by that. The other direction.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So it says the, the, the, in the times, because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it said internal surveys, the Harris campaign, internal surveys, showed
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that two-thirds of undecided voters in the battleground states had
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: consumed at least some of Kamala's interviews during her big
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: media blitz week or two weeks, but no single program
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: reached more than one in three of those undecided voters.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But two-thirds of undecideds just seeing something?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That shocked me.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I just, like.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Big daddy gang?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I just, like, what does it mean for... I just, like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: how hard it is. Like, these are all people saying
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: they want more information. She's doing a full-court press across
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: every kind of media, and, like, maybe... maybe one in
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: three is getting some clip of one thing. It's just like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: just remind, just like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I thought where you were going to go with the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: more information complaint is the woman that they interviewed at
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the end of the piece. She's like a 40 something
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: woman in Pennsylvania and she doesn't like Trump, but she's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: like worried about the economy. She goes, you know, I've
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: heard a little bit about Kamala Harris's plans, but on housing,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: she wants to give like first time homebuyers a $ 25, 000
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: credit on their down payment. And I just don't want
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to be given more money. And no one's talking about
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the supply of housing. And I was like, oh, she
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: wants to build 3 million more.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: But she also said she might write in R.K.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Jr.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: As a protest. Is that the same woman?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the same woman. It's tough. Undecided voters
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are tough.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And we love them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: We love them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And we don't want to say anything other than we
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: love them. We just love their whole energy that they're
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: bringing to this.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I also found it interesting that of the more than
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: 100 clips during her media blitz that the Harris campaign
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: tested for their effectiveness in increasing her support, her proposal...
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: about providing home care for adding home care coverage to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Medicare coverage for seniors ranked at the top, which is
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: interesting because again, who's going to talk about that on
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: shows like ours and cable and everywhere else. I mean,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: we mentioned it, but like, it's not, it's not going
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to get people get pundits excited, but it moves votes.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: It's something people care about. I also thought the Trump
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: campaign found that upper grabs voters were six times more
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: likely than other battleground voters to be motivated by their
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: views of the war in Gaza. They didn't really say
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: in which direction they, I.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Found that interesting too, especially since the Harris campaign doesn't
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: seem to see that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So there was that fact. And the other point, the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: other fact from the Trump campaign is that the undecideds
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: are more likely to work two jobs on average, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: they earn $ 15, 000 less per household than the battleground voters
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: who have made up their minds. And I saw those
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: two facts side by side, and I was like, I'm
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: trying to make sense of this. So undecided voters are
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: working two jobs and really struggling, but also more motivated by.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: The Middle East than other voters. And I wondered if
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: some of that was a little bit of them wish
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: casting and kind of putting a little something out there.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's also who the pool is that you're
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talking about. If these voters are younger, you're just going
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to get more of them that care about Gaza than
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: older voters, I think.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The other sort of last thing I noticed in
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: this was, um, They talked about how Kamala Harris bought
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: ads on daytime Fox because more women are watching Fox
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: during the day than at night when it's more opinion focused.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And then the Washington Post had a bunch of swing
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: state polls out today where they asked people about their
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: main news sources. And they found that about a quarter
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: of those who consider Fox a main source of news
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: said they're considering voting for Kamala Harris with about one
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: in six saying they have already or definitely plan to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: vote for her, which is a very surprising fact, I thought.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, on... The last pod we did, I can't remember when,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: with Dan, I had looked at the latest New York
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Times poll, and that showed that 10% of undecided voters
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: say that Fox was a news source for them.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I wonder, like, okay, so then the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: kind of person answering these polls is the kind of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: person consuming this news. And I don't know. It made
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: me think, like, well, does that tell you more about
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the poll than it does about the voters?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Well, we also got more insight into how the Harris
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: campaign is thinking about this extremely close race from David
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Plouffe in a new interview with Puck's John Heilman. Here's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: some of that. This race is.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: Just dead even. And listen, I think the Trump campaign
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: would admit that too. And you can tell based on
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: their activity and what they're saying. I guess my confidence
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: is more based on looking at who the undecided voters are.
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: And data these days is incredibly rich and sophisticated. Every
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: battleground state of the seven, there's at least 4% who
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: are still trying to decide who to vote for. In
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: the early voting data we're seeing so far, there's no
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: suggestion that that they are turning out a bunch of
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: irregular voters.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Does your data in the seven battleground states show any
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: sign that Trump has momentum and that he's tight? Whether
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: you say, I get that mathematically, statistically, this is going
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: to be a toss-up race within the margin of error
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: in all seven. But you could see there is momentum
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: that's coming through in your data that's not.
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: Noise.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Does the Trump campaign have any of that in any
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: of the seven battleground states?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: No. I would listen to an interview with David Plouffe.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe he should just give like five minutes every night
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: from now until the next two weeks. Wouldn't that be nice?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Because it's not like, I call this, it's prestige hopium.
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like everything's going to be fine kind of thing,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: but it is because, because at the end he's still like, yeah,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: we could lose this race. It's very close. It's tied. Right.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But it is, it's just a lot of great insight
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: from pluff. I, I highly recommend you listen to it
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and pluff. If you have any more stuff to say,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: just come back.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: We'll do that five minutes here or the calm app,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: by the way. But, uh, yeah, I, it's also like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: there's a point, point of the interview where. Heilman asked
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: him like, well, what do you say to people looking
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: at the, the swinging of the, the, the Nate Silver average.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't, I wouldn't look at that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I don't look at that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And it was just like, yeah, it's based on public polls.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: They just don't look, he won't look at any public polls.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: He thinks they're junk, but that, but just there with that,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like that they're based on public polls. And if the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Nate Silver model says it's 52, 48 versus 48, 52,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: it still means that in 48 times out of a
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: hundred Kamala wins or 48 times out of a hundred
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Trump wins, like these little changes don't matter. And it
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: was like what Plouffe said to Dan, couple of days ago,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: very similar to what he's saying here, which is basically
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: like these ebbs and flows in the public polling that
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: are causing these like epic swings and vibe shift and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: text to me are like, they're just not real. They're
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: just not real.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think some of the, another important point
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: he made was that Trump is just so dependent on
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: turning out these first time or irregular voters. And that's
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a real risk. And he repeated his observation that they're
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: not seeing incels marauding to early vote locations. So that
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: was good to hear. And again, we talk a lot
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: about how Democrats are struggling to to win over male voters.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: But Plouffe talked about Trump's massive disadvantage when it comes
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: to women, especially college educated women and women under 29.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: And then again, for all the talk about shifts in
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the Latino vote, he made the point that a lot
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: of the numbers are coming from these national polls where
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: you're sampling like 300, 400 total people. And, you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: there are going to be states like Florida where Trump
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: is going to win overwhelmingly and is going to win
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: with Latino voters. And that's going to skew what sort
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: of the aggregate picture looks like But really the Harris
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: campaign is concerned about Arizona and Nevada and parts of Pennsylvania. Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I also thought just in general, he said, look, Trump's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: going to get 48, 48.5% of the vote. And that's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: probably higher than he got even in 2020. He's like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and that's just a fact that we're all going to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: have to live with. And he thinks that any tightening
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that we have seen in the polls lately is just
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: polls that had Trump at 43, 44, 45. And then
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: finally he's getting his vote share, which he's going to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: end up getting. And she's sitting at 49 in a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: lot of these. And so I think he has said
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: before to Dan too, 48, 48 or 48, 47 in
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: like all these swing states. And he said that the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: reason that he has confidence, that he's cautiously confident is
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what he said, is that he thinks that they have
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: a higher ceiling, that Kamala Harris has a higher ceiling
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: than Trump does. And that the remaining voters who are
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: undecided look more like Harris voters than than Trump voters.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: But that said, they still have to get those voters out.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: They still have some persuasion to do. And he also
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: said that he thinks door knocking and canvassing and going
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: out there is going to be more important this year,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: this election, than it has been almost any other election.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and partly because the campaign started later. There are
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: people that truly are undecided and want more information, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: it may be somebody coming to their door to give
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it to them.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Like that kid in Arizona who needs the ballot dropped
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: off at his door. How are you guys feeling? Terrible.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't feel great. I just, I went into
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the CVS and I got a two for one, uh,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Pepsod so that I could have one in my house
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and one of my car, which is, I think maybe
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: just being 42. I think that, I think if we
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: were up by five, I still probably would need it,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: but I can't be sure.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I can't be sure. I feel fairly Zen. Um, you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it's a little angsty over the weekend. I did go
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to a children's birthday party and was talking to one
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of the parents. And of course you have to, you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you do the pod wherever you go. And, uh, And
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I was giving what I thought was just a pretty
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: not optimistic or pessimistic neutral analysis of where the race stands.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And I finished up and then she walked back up
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to me 10 seconds later. She goes, you made me
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: feel awful. This is scary. I'm like, yeah, we can lose. Like,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it's not. No one should think that. I think there
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: were some a lot of good feelings as there should
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: have been. After the switch, after the convention, after the debate,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I know that I thought that there was a possibility
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: if she did well in the debate, maybe she'd open
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit of lead that would be stable and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that would be that. it's just, it's going to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a tight race.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: What feels bad is that this piece of shit is
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: even in the running.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: And that will never not be the case.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But it's also like, I just don't want us to
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: do the same thing we did in 2016. Like, Who
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: gives a shit how you feel over the next two weeks?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Maria Shriver. It doesn't fucking matter. No, but
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. No, and thank you for asking. We
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: should check in with people you love.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the question.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, what are you doing to deal with all
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the stress? The stress over the next two weeks? Who cares?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Who fucking cares? And I know you did what you
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: guys have done this to, and you felt the same thing. Like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I ended up doing a kickoff call for the Wisconsin Democrats,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: their organizers, the whole staff, Sunday night. And after a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: weekend of feeling a little angsty about everything... I finished
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: that call and I heard all the stories about the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: doors they knocked on and the voters they talked to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the people. And I was just listening. I was just
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like listening on the call after I like talked to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: them for a couple of minutes. And I, I stayed
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: on for the whole half hour. And I'm like this,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I walked out of that call. I'm like, this was
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: better than any good poll. I just felt, I felt
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: so great. Now is that feeling, uh, valid because it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: all anecdotal. Who knows? Maybe not, but it, it felt good.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a point that like you'll hear with
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: shots where he was talking about that moment where Kamala says, Oh,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: you're at the wrong value. You're looking for the smaller
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: one down the street. And he said that like when
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: he was first running, there was no poll. He's running
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: a state legislator race in Hawaii. And that like, you
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: did matter. The vibes did matter. They mattered both because
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: they represented how things would go, but also vibes will
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: help you get things to where you need them to go.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And so like a lot less angsting, like, are we
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: going to be okay?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Text.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It is not known. It will not be known until
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a few days after the election. Everybody's just going to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: go to vote save America and do the shift you
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: haven't done yet.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Well, who needs polls though? When we now have actual
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: votes coming in that we can analyze before they've even
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: been counted. That's right. More than 15 million people have
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: already voted early, which means tea leaves are being read
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and lessons are not being learned. And either of you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: guys want to remind folks what the early vote can
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and can't tell us?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't tell us anything. It can't tell you
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: anything because this early voting, it has got 2020, 2022, 2024.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Each of these elections, like the the pandemic. post-pandemic, the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: rise of vote-by-mail and early voting, a Republican candidate who
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: has come out against vote-by-mail and tried to push people
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: towards Election Day. The influence of all of this means
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: we just don't know what the vote share will be
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: on Election Day, and an election that will be decided
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: by a point or two, if we're lucky, that will
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: really matter. And so the margins are what matters, and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: there's no way to know the margins. Maybe there's value
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to it for a campaign and very specific kind of
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: targeting and information, but for us out here in the world,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: not particularly useful.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you're doing very sophisticated regression analysis based on blah, blah, blah, math, math.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Don't read this stuff.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: It's useless.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so everyone knows because we heard Plouffe talking about
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: they feel good about the incels not showing up at
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the polls. You might be thinking, what does that mean?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Because the ballots aren't coming in sticky.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, we're setting a real record on this episode.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Good episode.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: What the early vote can tell you, and again, it
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: can really tell campaigns who have so much sophisticated data
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and are calling thousands of people a night and ground
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: game and all that kind of stuff. You know, they
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: can tell you party, demographic information, vote history. I think
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that's what Plouffe's referring to. So in some states, you
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: know if the voter who's voted early has voted a
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: lot before or are one of those low propensity voters.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And then you can see if the low propensity voter
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: looks like a Harris voter or looks like a Trump voter.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So you can make some educated guesses if you're the campaign.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And that only helps you insofar as not knowing if
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you're going to win, but knowing, okay, we've got these voters,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but we still need to go after these voters because
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: they haven't early voted yet. And so now we need
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to go make sure that they send their ballots in. Like,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that's what early vote is good for in a campaign.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: It's not good for telling you like, oh yeah, now
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we're going to win. Because even if you ask a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: campaign with sophisticated data analysis about what the early vote
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: is showing, they'll say, well, we're a little down, but
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: hopefully on election day, everything, you know, we're going to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: chase all those ballots that didn't come in yet. That's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: what they'll say.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that's not necessarily a false hope, right?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Like there have been elections where the early vote people
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: took that to predict a Democratic lean that wasn't there.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: There were times where it used a particular Republican lean
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that wasn't there. Like it's just, it's not been predictive.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: There were people in 2016 looking at the early vote
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: predicting landslide Hillary Clinton victories, and they could not have
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: possibly been more wrong. Let's just not make that mistake again.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And, you know, because again, the behavior, the voting behavior
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: has changed so much that even in, I remember in 2022,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the early vote was sort of bad for Democrats, quote
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: unquote bad compared to 2020 because everyone was using the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: 2020 comparison. And it turned out that was all wrong
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: because people's behavior started changing.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: We will find out after the election what we learned
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: about early vote and what we learned about the polling
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: this cycle.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And then we will take those lessons. And forget them.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: And over-apply them.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: We will fight the.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Last war yet again.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: We shall fight the last war.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: There's Kamala to the incels.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: Do not come.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Do not come. That's for the Val cells.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Come.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: You can yes and a joke once.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: That's some funny shit. Okay. When we come back from
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the break, Lovett's going to talk with Senator Brian Schatz
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: about the latest with the key Senate races and the presidential.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: We have a senator on this episode. Shots is like,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: how did this happen to me?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: That's the throat of Shots is me doing that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway. You know who is coming on the pod? It's
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Senator Brian Shots. Is that what you want, Tommy? Want
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: me to add to your little joke? Okay.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Your little joke. See? Oh, you can tie a little joke, too.
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You can make us a scorecard. We're already in the ads.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah, we have two quick announcements. First, the entire
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: season of Empire City, the untold origin story of the NYPD,
• 50:06
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• 50:12
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• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You don't need us to tell you this, but the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: most effective messengers in these final days are not people
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: like us.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: What?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: They're people like you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: That's why we've launched what we're calling Last Call. Last Call.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Last Call. We should have like a ding.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's add a ding in post.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Let someone add a ding there. We need everyone listening.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: That means you. If you're listening, we're talking to you.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: To think of three people you know in swing states. Okay?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Three people you know. Arizona. Nevada. Michigan. Wisconsin. Pennsylvania. North
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Carolina or Georgia. Friend, former colleague, a one-time hookup, a frenemy,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: an acquaintance.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: The love of your life who moved away and broke
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: your heart.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that got away. Here's the ask. Scroll
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: through your contacts list, find those names, and text or
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: call them or message them. Do whatever you have to do.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Then do that five more times before election day. Reminders work.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Ask them if they have a plan to vote. You
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: can send them to Vote Save America. They can look
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: at their ballots. They can figure out to make a
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: plan to vote. And if you don't know anyone in
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: those states, which, fuck you, Costa Loli, you definitely know
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: three people who could use a nudge to vote no
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: matter where they live. And that's important, too.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And for one lucky person who does it, we're giving
• 51:45
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• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 51:50
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• 51:54
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• 51:56
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• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That is parody.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: For one lucky person.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: That is parody.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: One million dollars. Wow. What a contest.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Your move, FEC. Again, if you don't know what to
• 52:09
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• 52:29
  Speaker 1: When we come back, Brian Schatz.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Joining us today. friend of the show from the great
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: state of Hawaii, Senator Brian Schatz. Welcome back to the pod.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: Nice to be back here, John. Good to see you.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to see you too, Senator Schatz. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: just want you to know I'm now losing it. So
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: this is going to be, let's see what happens. The
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: anxiety is through the roof. The prilosec's not working. I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: having fever dreams. I'm having stress dreams. So we have
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: two weeks left. People are voting. How are you feeling?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the state of the race here?
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: Uh, look, I, I have to say it, I'll say
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: it this way.
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: Um, we are slightly ahead and if we do everything
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: we're supposed to do, we will win. And if we
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: do anything we're not supposed to do, we will not. Um,
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: so I like our chances, but that, but we really
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: do have to execute in the next couple of weeks. Now, Kamala,
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: the good news, right, is that our candidate is executing
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: at a super, super high level. And, that's not just
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: important from the standpoint of vote getting. It also gives
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: a lot of confidence to the grassroots out there, the
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: people who are giving money, the people who are knocking
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: on doors. When you see your candidate kicking ass, you
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: kind of want to follow that example. So I think
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: it's as important that she sort of lead us as
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: it is that she sort of demonstrate that she's the
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: right person to be the next president of the United States.
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: So I'm feeling pretty confident, but definitely not overconfident and
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: You know, there's an old line in an old movie.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: I don't trust happiness. So I'm going to be scared
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: all the way through.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sounds Jewish. So let's talk about what we
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: what we need to do. I was talking about this
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: with Tim Miller and he used a sports analogy, which
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: is it's now about the 12th man. It's now about
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: the crowd and what the crowd can do. But on
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: the other hand, you know, we have to do everything
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: right and we can't do everything, anything wrong in order
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: to win. Why does that logic not apply to Donald Trump?
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: Well, listen, I don't know. And maybe it does, right?
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: Maybe some of these hiccups, maybe the fact that he's
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: starting to turn down media opportunities, maybe the fact that
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: he's not even campaigning in swing states, but going to
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: California and New York, like all of that could end
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: up being, in retrospect, the reason he loses. All we
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: can control, though, is what we're up to.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: And we have to execute.
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: as well as we possibly can because of the Electoral College.
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: If this were a popular vote thing, I think I'd
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: feel a little more confident. But I do feel confident.
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: And it's a weird thing, right? The polling is fine,
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: but not, you know, dispositive. But I will tell you,
• 55:19
  Speaker 8: last night, when the vice president was interrupted by some
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: hecklers and she said.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: Oh, no, you must be at the wrong rally.
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: There's a smaller one down the street. It was such
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: a small thing, and yet it was such a big thing.
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: You only do that if you have a spring in
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: your step. And I have very, look, I started in
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: politics in state legislative races where we had no money
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: for polling. And so it was a lot about body
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: language and organization and kind of the vibes on the ground.
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: And we could predict with some regularity, with some confidence,
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: who was going to win without any polling. And so
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: I would say, if you took all the polling out
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: of it, Kamala Harris is kicking ass and Donald Trump
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: is melting down. And then if you put the polling
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: into it, it's damn close.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love a vibes-based analysis. Let's talk
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: about Trump. So we've got, I think, two stories right now.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: One is Mad King. He's bouncing and swaying to the music.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: He's rambling, seeming confused. He's canceling interviews and events. The
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Harris-Walls campaign is asking on social, are you okay? And
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: then we've got the two-bit authoritarian. He's starting to deploy
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the military, handle his enemies, promising mass deportations, threatening democracy.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: How are you putting those two stories together right now?
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think it's that hard.
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think that the problem with characterizing him
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: as a threat to democracy is that you're sort of
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: inherently giving him a ton of power, power over our
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: collective psyches, power over the American experiment, and then he
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: seems strong. And so I think what the Harris campaign
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: has done and sort of unlocked, even in a way
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: that the successful Biden campaign did not, was this idea
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: that sure, he is a threat, but he's also a joke.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: And if you look through history, lots of people who
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: did lots of bad things were also ridiculous figures in
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: human history. And so he's both of those things. He's
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: a legitimate threat to the American way of life. And
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: he's also a jackass. And one of the things that
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: I think Kamala is doing well, and one of the
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: reasons that we were doing poorly with Biden, frankly, as
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: our standard bearer, is there's just at least some portion
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: of the electorate that wants someone who's on the ball,
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: who looks like they're kind of like smacking the other
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: side around.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: And they're not really sure what they think about the issues, but.
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: They want someone who looks like a good television president, right?
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: Like someone who looks like they're kicking ass.
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: And Kamala Harris looks like she's kicking ass. And whatever
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump's personal flaws and policy flaws and his sort
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: of almost evil way of viewing the American experiment he
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: had some game back in the day. Like he could
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: actually be fun to watch, interesting to watch, infuriating to watch,
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: but like good television.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: This is not good television anymore.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: And I think that there is something pretty significant about
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: Kamala pointing that out. It's of course not the main thing,
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: but remember people vote for your side for their reasons,
• 58:21
  Speaker 8: not yours. We are not looking to get vindicated here.
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: We're just looking for the W.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It's funny as you say that I hadn't thought about
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that way. Cause I remember, uh, early in like 2017, 2018,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I would say like, hey, everybody, we got to like
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: accept like Trump has some charm here. He has some charisma.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: He can be funny. And people really, they did not
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: care for it. But it reminds me, have you seen
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: these videos going around a Frankie Valley being brought out
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: to the microphones to lip sync his old hits? There's
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a Frankie Valley energy to it
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: where he, I actually thought about it that way, that
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: he really is kind of, he's trying to do The
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: performance he used to do. And it's not, it isn't working.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: It isn't working.
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: Listen, when I, so, you know, I grew up in
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: Hawaii and we used to go, you guys call it karaoke.
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: We call it karaoke. And, you know, I would always sing,
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: you know, just once by James Ingram.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: It was a blast.
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: I was 16 years old. Then I was 26 years old.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: And there was some point at which, you know, I'm
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: in my thirties. I'm singing just once by, is it
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: fun anymore? Is it charming anymore? Is it hilarious anymore?
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: I feel like he's sort of the last guy at
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: the karaoke bar that You know, and he won't let
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: go of the microphone.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: You know, that story is, I think it's helpful. It's
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a good analogy. It does make me sad. I think
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: you could keep doing karaoke. I don't think you need
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: to stop. I don't think you can age out of it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: And I think that you should let that go. That's something,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: that's projection.
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: Listen, I'm not saying that I shouldn't sing. I'm just
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: saying I should maybe pick a new song.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, okay. Pick a new song, pick a new song.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: So it's a close race. Rather be us than them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: But Trump could win. And based on what you're seeing
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: right now, and only to point us to places where
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: we have to work harder, close some gaps, if Trump
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: ekes it out, how did he do it? How did
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: he put together the coalition? What are we missing?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: I still think we need more actual human beings in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And we need more money in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: and Ohio for Sherrod Brown. You know, look, it is
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: fair to say that some of these races, you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: the die is cast, the money is spent, and the voters,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: you know, it's basically up to the voters now. But
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: there are a couple of places where it's close enough
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: and the turnout operations matter enough. And they are sophisticated
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: enough where you could take a person from, you know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: who lives in Santa Monica or lives in, you know,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: South Texas and just wants to help. And they get
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: on that online phone banking thing and they actually make
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: a difference. So I would still help in the Midwest.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: both by sending money and by either showing up physically
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: or making phone calls.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: So Trump has been pulling out of events. Clear's campaign
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: is trying to take him out of these sort of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: more national platforms, whether it's an NBC interview, a CNBC interview,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes. And they're just sort of resigned to what
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: he's going to do at the rallies. Meanwhile, the thought
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: might be, OK, so they're letting his freak flag fly
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: in these debates that are mostly reaching his supporters. They're
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: They're counting on the media not covering it really that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: effectively or kind of sane-washing him or people not really
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: seeing what he's saying at these rallies. But they're going
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: to make up for it with ads that are more mainstream.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And yet in Pennsylvania, they're running millions upon millions of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: dollars of ads demonizing trans people as opposed to inflation
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: or the economy or what have you. Can you make
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: sense of it at all? Is there any theory to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it that we might look back on and say, oh,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: that actually was smarter than it looked?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: No, it's not smarter than it looks. They tried it
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: the last couple of cycles. It doesn't work. It is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: their happy place ideologically, and it is where they go
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: when they.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: Don't have anything to run on.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: Look, they want to be closing with an inflation message, right?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: They want to be closing with an economic message. But
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris and the Democrats and Bob Casey and Sherrod
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: Brown and Jon Tester and Tammy Baldwin and everybody else
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: have basically erased the Republicans' lead on the economy and And.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: So they just sort of like dig in. You know,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: it used to be the caravans.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: And because the because, first of all, border crossings are
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: at a not an all time low, but at a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: low over the last several years. And the Republicans killed
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: the border security bill. They don't have that one. They
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: don't have inflation. And so they're just kind of like
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: digging around in their in their trunk trying to find something.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: And this is their sort of ideological safe space. There's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: no evidence that this moves swing voters anywhere. And I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: think Tim Walz and Kamala Harris and everybody else is
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: handling it well, which is to stand for equality, but
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: not to dwell on it. Because frankly, what people find
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: offensive about that, regular folks, is like, why are you
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: even talking about that? That has nothing to do with
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: my life.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: So Trump is doing a fair amount of a certain
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: kind of press, which is interviews with podcasters and influencers
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: in the kind of loosely part of the manosphere trying
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: to reach these lower propensity, less political men? A, do
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: you worry about it? And then B, should Kamala Harris
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: go on Joe Rogan?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: Listen, I worry about everything. But that doesn't mean that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: I think this is like the winning strategy. I think
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: the winning strategy would be for him to you know,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: wake up one morning and pretend to be a moderate and,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: you know, say nice things about democracy. Um, that, that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: would worry me whether this will work or not. I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: have no idea.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: I think she should go on Joe Rogan. I know
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: people who listen to Joe Rogan. I think she can
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: handle Joe Rogan. I think as I've, you know, and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: I've watched clips, I haven't listened to like a whole
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: Joe Rogan podcast cause I don't, I can't set aside
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: two and a half hours necessarily. But, um, You know,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: one of the things that I think is true about
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: Joe Rogan is that he's kind of impressionable and likes
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: to be kind to his guests. And I just don't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: imagine that he's going to come in like loaded for bear.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: I'm sure he'll have some prepped questions. But in a
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: sort of political discussion between Kamala Harris and Joe Rogan,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: I do think Kamala wins the exchange. Now, does that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: end up in a bunch of clippable memes that are
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: designed to make her look bad?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: But I still think, you know, they're going to do
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: that anyway. Those memes are going to be created anyway.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: And I just think she looks strong. She looks unafraid.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: And I think one of the other things, you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: I got a couple of buddies who, you know, have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: difficulty with Kamala, but not for any real reason other
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: than they have been sort of poisoned.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: By the internet.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: And so sometimes you just have to break through that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: palace guard and talk to people directly. So But like,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: do I think the whole campaign is going to hinge
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: on going on Joe Rogan?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: I do not.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: I just think she should basically find whatever audience she
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: can find. And I think what the cool thing about
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: their campaign is, I think they've figured out both like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: probably statistically speaking, because they have real data operations and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: intuitively that basically wherever she goes. and she presents, she
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: ends up slightly more popular than when she came in.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: And so my view is if that's true, then Joe
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: Rogan's got 12 million people and you should.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Talk to him. Yeah, more Kamala's more, more Trump is less. Yeah,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: and also like Brett Baier, she went, she did it.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I think there were good moments and there's moments they're exploiting,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: whether you call it a big win, a medium win,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: a draw, whatever you want to say about it. It's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: not going to get tougher than that. It's not going
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: to get harder than that. The combination of questions designed
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: to go for biggest vulnerabilities, the interrupting, all of it was,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I think, as tough an interview as she could possibly have.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: So any logic for that interview to me says, go there.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Just fuck it. Let's talk about the Senate. Your colleague
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: from Texas, John Cornyn, leading candidate to succeed Mitch McConnell,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: whether in majority or minority, vowed to block nominees for
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris he deems too far left. He said, I'm
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: not going to schedule a vote on some wild eyed
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: radical nominee. So if Kamala Harris wins and the Senate flips,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: would Kamala Harris be able to replace a Supreme Court
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: justice or even have a cabinet?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know the answer to that. And that's why
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: I really don't.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: And I, you know, I don't like the hypotheticals just
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: because I don't even like to stipulate either a win
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: or a loss on either side. But I do think
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: it illustrates how important it is for us to focus
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: on these Senate races. There is no path to a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris cabinet or to a rebalancing of the Supreme
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: Court or to climate action or to codifying Roe or
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 8: to codifying LGBTQ rights or any economic progress without a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: Democratic Senate.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: And I just don't want anybody to get sort of
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: despondent here.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: We were here two years ago and four years ago.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: And it was predicted by all the smart people that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: we were going to lose the Senate. And then we
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: kept the Senate and then we kept the Senate again.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: And we've passed the biggest climate action in human history.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: And we've reduced the price of prescription medicine. And we've
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: done all these incredible things only because we won the Senate.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: And so, yes, the presidency is job one. But, you know,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: job 1A is making sure Sherrod Brown and John Tester
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: and Tammy Baldwin and Alyssa Slotkin and Bob Casey return
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: to the Senate.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: So talk to me about Nebraska, Texas, Florida.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to talk about Nebraska at all. I, um,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: I don't know very much about it and I don't
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: want that to, you know, polarize. I, what I would
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: say about Texas is that, you know, Beto got very,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: very close and I think Colin Allred is running a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: slightly more disciplined campaign, um, and a very well funded campaign. Um,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: you know, he's very close and does need money. And
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: I think the theory of the case in Florida is
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: basically the same, except that we have reproductive choice on
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: the ballot. And so in a scenario where the turnout
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: projections are slightly undercounting the number of pro-choice individuals showing up,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: then I think we could either win Florida on the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: presidential or lose by a little. And then Debbie Moucarcel
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: Powell can win. She's running an extraordinary campaign. But both
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: of those campaigns are campaigns that actually need hard money cash.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: So if you've got 500 bucks laying around, send the campaign,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: not some campaign committee, not some super PAC, send the campaign.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: campaign some money, and they will put it right into
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: communicating with voters.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: So I really enjoy that. Nebraska's not happening. Sorry I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: even raised it. Forget about it. Huge mistake on my part.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Forget Nebraska. We don't even know what's going on there.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: It really has nothing to do with us, frankly.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: So interesting about Nevada, Arizona, and Florida, these are states
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: with competitive Senate races. They are states that Florida's tougher,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: but where traditionally we've considered them swing states in the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: presidential and their states with abortion ballot measures. Two theories here.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: One is the abortion ballot measures turn out people that
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: care about basic reproductive freedom. The other place like Arizona,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: you have voters who are going to vote for Ruben Gallego,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: they're going to vote to protect abortion, and then they
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: are considering whether or not to vote for an anti-choice,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: anti-abortion president under the feeling that they're balancing, that they're
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: protecting abortion in Arizona anyway. How do you deal with
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: that kind of false sense of comfort?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the Harris campaign has done a pretty
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: effective job in making it clear that Donald Trump really
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: is going to push for a national abortion ban. And
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: so it won't matter what kind of statutory protections you
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: have at a state by state level. And the problem is,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: I mean, for us, is that they talk about minimum
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: national standards, right? And that is a ban. That's what
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: they mean. And Donald Trump is going to do that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: There's no doubt about it. That is part of Project 2025.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: I think we've done a very good job of getting
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: the word out and making it clear that you sort
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: of can't have your cake and eat it too and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: vote for a anti-choice federal candidate and a pro-choice ballot amendment.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: But the problem is that even if that is something
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: that has gotten through for, say, 80% of the voters,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 8: we kind of needed to get through to 95% of
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: the voters in order for us to fully align and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: have the abortion rights referendum in Arizona win, Gallego win,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: and Harris win.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: So I'm losing my mind. You surf. Should I be surfing?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you should. Sure. Of course. Southern California, hmm.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Wow. It's a lot of balance, huh?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, but you're young, you'll be fine. And you know, you, you,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: you did a reality show that required all kinds of fitness.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: You'll be fine.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Never got to use it. Never got even to never.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I have my balance is actually really good. Never got
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: to fucking use it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I didn't watch it as you know. Um, no,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: I know you should, you should surf.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: But the problem with Southern California surfing is like part of,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: part of what's good about surfing, like fishing, like hiking,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: like lots of things is that you kind of can
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: escape the hustle and bustle. Southern California surfing is like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: as stressful as driving on the freeways because it's just
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: packed and a little bit aggressive.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: So, you know, those are not my vibes.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Honestly, just like using stereotypes about my culture to just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: putting them together. Oh, we're all sitting in traffic here
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: in California. You and Chris Murphy, Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: you seem close. Have your hands ever brushed in a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: weird way?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: Chris Murphy and I know he's very Northeastern. There's no touching.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: So that's good. That's interesting. So home stretch, just let's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: reiterate what you feel like people need to do.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: Sorry.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: Go ahead.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: We got, we got, you want people to go to Pennsylvania.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: We got to get calls in and feet on the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: ground in Pennsylvania. We need money in Ohio, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: and we need calls and volunteers in Wisconsin. What else
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: is the other Are there priorities for you right now?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, the other thing I would say is like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: don't agonize, organize. I do think that, you know, we're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: a party that tends to agonize too much. We're a
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: party that doesn't trust happiness. And we're a party that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: can sometimes talk ourselves out of having the winning momentum. Now,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris has done a lot to give us a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: spring in our step. And it is our obligation. Seriously,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: it is our obligation to to stuff our phone in
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: a sock drawer and go out there and campaign.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Do it people. You know, we know this show is
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: very popular, so I know how many people are listening
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: and I know how many people have signed up at vote,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: save America. And I don't like the ratio center shots.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of people listening to this that haven't done
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: a goddamn thing.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm not going to scold anybody except to say
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: that here, here's what I would say. Look, I, um,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: My first race, 26 years ago, I was running for
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: the statehouse and I came out of the primary election
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: kind of bruised.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: I didn't look super strong.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: And a mentor of mine said, let's assume you're behind
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: by about a thousand votes and you've got 90 days left.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: So you got to win over something like 12 people
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: a day. And let's assume you win over one in
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: four people that you talk to.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: You're not winning over everybody. okay, you got to go
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: talk to about 50 humans every day for the next
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: 90 days, and then you're going to win this thing.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: And that's what I did.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: I actually knocked on doors to the point where people
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: told me to stop calling and coming by.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: I wore my shoes out.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: To the point where I had to buy a new
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: pair of Rockports from the local Ross on Ward Avenue.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: And I won by 425 votes. And I would not
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: have won by 425 votes if I stared at a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: screen wondering if I was going to win by 425 votes.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: What happens next is, depends on us. It does not
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: depend on events far away. It depends on what we
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: all do, what all of the listeners do. So if
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 8: you haven't sort of taken the step to either press
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: the donate button or to get on the phone and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: start calling family and friends or a list provided by
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: the campaign, now's the time.
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  Speaker 2: Now's the time. What a great message to end on.
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  Speaker 2: And I just also want to say wherever you are,
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  Speaker 2: even if you cannot physically get to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or
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  Speaker 2: any of these other swing states. You can call into
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  Speaker 2: those states. You can donate into those states. And I
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  Speaker 2: guarantee you, wherever you are, you are within 90 minutes
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  Speaker 2: of a house race that could swing the balance in
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  Speaker 2: the house, and you can go knock on doors there.
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  Speaker 2: John Tommy and I will be hitting some of the
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  Speaker 2: doors in California as well. So go to votesaveamerica.com. The time,
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  Speaker 2: it's it. We're at the two-week mark here, people. Phones down,
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  Speaker 2: knocking fist up, you know? Senator Brian Schatz, Always so
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  Speaker 2: good to see you.
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  Speaker 7: It's good to see you too, John. You made me
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  Speaker 7: feel better. I'll look forward to watching Survivor for the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: first time.
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  Speaker 2: That's great. Maybe something we can do after we win.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, take care.
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  Speaker 1: That's our show for today. Wow, what a show. Thank you, Senator.
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  Speaker 2: Wonder who's dick they'll talk about.
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