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Mega Edition: Adriana Ross And The 302 Interview With The FBI (5/26/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. Last week, Malania Trump gave a statement about
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Jeffrey Epstein that had people scratching their head and wondering
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what in the hell would make her get up there
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and give that kind of speech and drag the Epstein
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story back to the forefront? Well, could it be the
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three oh two interview that was given by Adriana Ross. Now,
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of course, her name's redacted in this three oh two,
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but it's pretty easy to figure out who she is,
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considering the unredacted name is somebody from Poland and was
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one of Epstein's assistants. And of course that narrows the
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pool and brings us to Adriana Ross and what she
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has to say about Malania Trump and how Malania Trump
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met Donald Trump in this three oh two is very
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very interesting. So in this episode we're going to read
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the three oh two word for word, and then in
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an episode later I'll have some comments about it. But
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first the business at hand, and that of course is
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the interview the three zero two that was given to
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the FBI by Adrianna Ross and the date on this eleven,
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twenty six, twenty nineteen now. Her name is redacted here,
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but it's obvious who she is redacted, date of birth.
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Redacted was interviewed pursuant to the proffer agreement at redacted
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West Palm Beach, Florida. Present for the interview was Redacted's attorney,
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Joseph Nossimento, along with Ausa ausa special agent Redacted. They're
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all redacted and Detective Redacted. After being advised of the
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identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview,
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Redacted provided the following information. Redacted was born in Poland.
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She graduated high school in Poland. Redacted traveled as a
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model and arrived in the United States at the end
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of two thousand and two. Redacted left Poland when she
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was approximately nineteen to twenty years old. Redacted met her
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first husband, redacted in Monaco. Readacted was a model on
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television show called Redacted and had a connection with a
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model agency in Miami name redacted, redacted help Redacted was
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a photographer and redacted was a model. Some of the
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places redacted modeled where Taiwan and Miami, Florida. Redacted had
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a friend who had a small CPA firm where she
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worked for approximately two to two and a half years.
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Redacted worked at this CPA firm while working towards her
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associate degree. Redacted married Redacted in approximately July of two
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thousand and three, and they were divorced in approximately twenty eleven.
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Redacted earned her associate's degree from Redacted and her bachelor's
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degree in accounting and her master's degree in taxation from
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Redacted is presently the current manager of Redacted, travels frequently
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for work and has been employed by them for approximately
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two years. Redacted is currently married to Redacted and became
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I'm a United States citizen in twenty nineteen. Redacted left
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modeling when she took a job offered by Jeffrey Epstein
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and started working for Epstein in approximately two thousand and
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five and left in early two thousand and six. Redacted
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traveled on trips with Epstein to help as his assistant.
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A trip in Paris in approximately early two thousand and
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six was her last assignment. Redacted put Redacted in contact
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with an agent named Palo Zampoli, who worked with ID Models.
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It was organized for Redacted to go to New York
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to model. While in New York, Redacted lived in a
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model's apartment because she did not have the funds to
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pay for her own apartment. The apartment accommodated ten people
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and was on the same street as the model agency
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on Verick Street. Redacted had an affair with the agent.
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Zampoli was trying to buy e lead models with Epstein.
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Epstein introduced Malania Trump to Donald Trump, whoa oh, whoa,
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whoa there it is, folks there, it is right in
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the three to zero two. So is Adriana Ross lying
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here to the federal government. If so, she should be charged.
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Epstein was visiting Zimpoli at the agency when there were
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casting auditions for models. Epstein was looking through portfolios and
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saw Redacted's photograph of her wearing only swim bottoms. Redacted
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and Zimpoli were at a night club with Epstein, who
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was there with a woman who Redacted believed was Redacted.
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Took Redacted's phone number. Someone called either a girl or
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Epstein and invited Redacted to dinner. Redacted went to Epstein's
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residence on seventy first Street in Manhattan. This was the
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first one on one interaction Redacted had with Epstein. Epstein
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made her wait she heard him playing the piano. Redacted
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did not recall if she went upstairs. Redacted and Epstein
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had dinner in the dining room. This room was straight
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ahead when you walk into his home. Epstein asked Redacted
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what she liked to do. Redacted told Epstein that she
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liked studying and that she was a good student. They
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talked about travels and redacted having a model contract in
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Japan and South Korea. Redacted mentioned that she thought there
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was a lot of Russian prostitution. Epstein told her, that's
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what I like best. Redacted or recalled Epstein saying something
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that made her uncomfortable. Epstein gave redacted a tour of
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the house, took her to the massage room and had
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her laid down, took a vibrating thing and rubbed it
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on her. Redacted told him to stop. Redacted described the
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massage room as a small, very dark room on the
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same floor as the master bedroom. A driver took Redacted home,
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and she remembered being tearful in the car. The next
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morning or a day later, Redacted or recalled that Epstein
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called her. Redacted was unsure how everything progressed from there.
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Epstein may have offered her an English class, which redacted
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it attended. Epstein offered her a job. Approximately at the
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end of two thousand and four. Epstein offered Redacted an
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apartment in New York on sixty sixth Street in Manhattan.
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Epstein offered Redacted a job with Victoria's Secret, which was
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a photoshoot. Epstein told Redacted that she needed to work
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out to be a model and told her to go
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to a specific gym. Redacted had traveled to Florida with
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Epstein on his plane. Redacted did not have a driver's license.
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Redacted went with redacted to the floor of Wall Street
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on a trip organized by Epstein. Redacted McLane Maxwell at
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our house around the end of two thousand and four.
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Maxwell told Redacted to purchase items like toiletries prior to
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getting offered the job. The job responsibilities included running errands
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and helping redacted, who was Epstein's personal assistant. Redacted was
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Redacted's immediate supervisor. Maxwell gave directions. Redacted had intimate relations
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with Epstein but did not have intercourse. Epstein had multiple
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sexual encounters with redacted. Redacted felt that this was personal.
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Redacted described Redacted as having big brown eyes and chin
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length blonde hair. Redacted help with errands, traveled with them,
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called pilots, and purchased things for Epstein's plane and Palm Beach.
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Redacted answered calls and confirmed massage appointments. Redacted was given
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this responsibility shortly after beginning to work for Epstein. Redacted
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mainly stayed in pom Beach while Redacted's home was in Miami.
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When Redacted stayed in pom Beach, she slept in Epstein's
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house in one of the bedrooms. Typically Redacted had to
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travel with Epstein when they traveled to Epstein's island, Redacted
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stayed with them on the island. They traveled a lot
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to Boston, specifically visiting Harvard. They met with Martin Novak
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and Alan Dershowitz, and traveled to New Mexico and Paris
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with Epstein. Redacted spent the most time in the Virgin
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Islands with Epstein, so Epstein could count his time in
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the island to establish for tax residency. Other people that
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traveled regularly with Epstein besides Maxwell, Redacted and Redacted were Redacted,
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Jean Luke, Brunel Igor and the chef Redacted with Epstein's girlfriend.
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Redacted has had a casual relationship with Epstein. Redacted was
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introduced by Redacted. Igor was Epstein's personal trainer in New York.
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Redacted round errands, bought things, went to Epstein's house, and
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sat in on meetings. Redacted worked in Maxwell's house on
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the Grand Floor in New York. Redacted was given an
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apartment in the same building as Maxwell. Redacted spent most
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of her time in New York at Maxwell's home. Redacted
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did not recall if she had made phone calls from
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New York. Leslie Groff was Epstein's assistant in Epstein's man
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Madison Avenue office, who scheduled his appointments for people coming
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to his house, including massage appointments. Groff made these phone
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calls to schedule the appointments fairly early on. After working
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for Epstein, Redacted began helping schedule massage appointments. In reference
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to knowing what occurred during the massages, Redacted stated, it
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happened to me in the Virgin Islands, so I assumed
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that was what was happening to everyone else during their massages.
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Redacted saw a woman in his New York house that
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she understood were there to give massages. Redacted was at
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his New York residence a lot and would bring other girls.
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Another girl name redacted would also bring other girls. Redacted
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brought two girls who were dancers ballerinas who stated that
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they were sixteen years old. Redacted and Redacted may have
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been there. Epstein told them that he would buy them
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dancing shoes. At the time, Redacted was not sure if
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the girls who massage Depstein were under age, but it
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seemed consensual, and Redacted new it was a sexual massage.
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Redacted had Redacted researched girls on Twitter. One girl name
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redacted was seventeen in New York. Redacted was approximately twenty
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one years old. Epstein's massages were approximately twice the day,
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every day in New York and Palm Beach in New York.
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Epstein also had a lot of meetings. Redacted met redacted
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in approximately two thousand and four. Redacted was Redacted's roommate
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who may have assisted in Palm Beach. Redacted was responsible
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for answering phones and confirming massage appointments. If Redacted wasn't around,
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Epstein as well as Redacted would ask Redacted to do this.
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Redacted showed girls to the massage room and set up
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the table for them. Redacted also bought tickets for comedy
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clubs for Epstein. Redacted was also responsible for researching things
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for Epstein and running errands. When traveling from New York
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to Palm Beach, Redacted set up schedules for massages or
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gave Redacted a list of people to call for appointments.
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Redacted may have called from New York to make appointments
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for Palm Beach, but Redacted mostly made those calls. Part
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of the regular routine for Redacted was to check in
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with Epstein in the morning. Epstein would be in his
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office Jim or by the pool. Redacted would see who
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Epstein wanted her to call. Epstein gave her a list.
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All right, folks, we're going to wrap up this three
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o two right here, and in the next episode, we're
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going to pick up where we left off. All the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
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episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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to pick right back up where he left off with
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Adriana Ross and her three to zero two with the FBI.
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Redacted with someone Epstein commented on. Epstein commented on Redacted
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sat score, Redacted massage to Epstein and hung out at
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the Palm Beach House, then went to New York. Epstein
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helped get Redacted and internship. Redacted was told how to
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make calls and told what to say. When Redacted called
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to confirm appointments, she said, this is Redacted calling on
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behalf of Jeffrey Epstein calling to confirm the massage appointment.
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Epstein was upset when she used his name when confirming
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massage appointments. Epstein told her never to use his name
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when calling people. On the calls, Redacted discussed what time
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that they would come. Epstein pushed her to call in
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confirm appointments. Redacted had to call multiple times to confirm appointments.
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Redacted did not remember ever calling men to confirm massage appointments.
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Epstein wanted to Redacted to put I cream on him.
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Epstein became upset with her if she missed a day.
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If Redacted missed a phone call for a massage appointment,
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Epstein became very upset and left her a nasty voicemail.
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Epstein raised his voice to redacted. Redacted the that Epstein
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was originally going to teach her about finance. Epstein sent
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her to one or two business meetings, but then was different.
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After she started working for him, Epstein became stressed with her,
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asking her do you want to work? When referring to
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her calling girls, Redacted often called and asked girls about
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another girl. Redacted asked her to do this. Redacted or
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called calling redacted and asked her to bring another girl.
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Redacted called redacted and asked her to bring another girl.
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Redacted was upset with redacted because Redacted called Redacted's home
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where her parents live. Girls had mentioned or redacted that
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they could not come because they had school. The girls
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would come in from the rear of the house near
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the kitchen. Redacted offered them water, Redacted told them to
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go upstairs. The massage room was attached to his master
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bedroom with sauna, steamroom, and closet with massage table inside
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the closet. Redacted may have put a towel on the table.
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Epstein told Redacted to give the girls a hair band.
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Redacted was present one time when a girl massage Epstein,
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Redacted massage Epstein, and pom Beach. Redacted left during most massages,
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going about her tasks around the house. The massages took
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approximately an hour. Sometimes Epstein called downstairs, and sometimes during
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the massage, he would call other people. Redacted knew the
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massage was done when the girl would come downstairs. Epstein
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paid the girls. He always had a huge amount of
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money in his bag. He paid the girls approximately two
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hundred dollars. Redacted and Redacted typically stayed a bit longer
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after the massage. If a girl brought another girl, one
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will go upstairs while the other who brought the girl
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hung out downstairs. Redacted brought girls. Epstein may have asked
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Redacted to pay the girls for him. Redacted was instructed
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to bring girls from Miami to Palm Beach. These girls
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were associated with ideal models. Redacted talked about a time
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where one girl was sitting on the couch visibly upset,
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and Epstein had a friend who was a doctor there
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who told them that the girl did not feel well.
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Epstein had a car service take the girl home. Palm Beach.
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Massages happened twice a day every day. Redacted typed up
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a list of girls to call in Palm Beach and
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printed a few copies. Redacted through these away. The list
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was specific to massages. Redacted recalled a girl calling and
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talking about college. The girls were young women. Redacted did
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not know their exact age. Thinking back on it, Redacted
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felt that she should have had the impression that they
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were under age. She was used to young women being
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around older men in the modeling industry. Redacted or recalled
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redacted and redacted traveling on Epstein's plane from New York
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to Palm Beach, Redacted or recalled other girls' names that
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were at Epstein's house, including redacted, redacted, redacted, padacted, redacted,
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and redacted. There were more girls, but Redacted couldn't recall
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all of their names. The girls were students, not models.
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Some may have been in a horseback riding club. The
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girls asked for assistants to go to college. Redacted may
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have had a personal relationship in the past with Epstein,
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but Redacted had not heard anything. Redacted assume because Epstein
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was always with the girl. Redacted took a lot of photographs.
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Redacted took photographs of redacted in the Virgin Islands. Epstein
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had told her Redacted that it was okay to on dress.
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There were a lot of nude photographs in Epstein's home.
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There were also nude photographs in the gym in the
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New York house, and Palm Beach. Redacted was in the
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living room and started stripping. When Redacted started taking photographs,
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Redacted kept the photographs and binders in Maxwell's house. Redacted
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felt that Redacted took advantage of her because she had
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Redacted do nasty tasks and had her constantly running. Redacted
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felt that Redacted made her do the heavy lifting. Redacted
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and Redacted were friendly with each other, but Redacted did
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not like how Redacted treated her. When Redacted called to
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confirm appointments, she sometimes left a voicemail with her cell
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number for a call back. Redacted could not remember if
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she and Redacted talked about what happened with massages or
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if Redacted made comments about the girls in the Virgin Islands.
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They would travel to the island by boat. Redacted had
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to give Epstein massages. A girl name Redacted would come
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to the island to give Epstein massages. In the morning,
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Redacted would go in his office. There were different beach
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huts on the island. Epstein would take a golf cart
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around the island. Epstein worked out a lot on the island.
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When they were on the island, it was more leisure time.
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There was a room by the kitchen where they all
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watched TV. Some of the redacted tasks included researching things
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online and making online purchases. There was a house manager
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who would ask people about allergies and they would have
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to fill out a card. Other tasks, Redacted was responsible for,
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we're buying furniture. Redacted was also instructed to buy sex
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toys from a sex shop in New York, but can
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not recall who had told her to buy them. Redacted
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thought the sex toys she had to buy where vibrators.
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Redacted or recalled having to go to some building with
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an upstairs in Palm Beach. Redacted ordered books for a girl.
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The books were not sent in time, and Epstein was
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upset with Redacted. Redacted thought the books may have been
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for redacted. Redacted staid more in the house. David Copperfield
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was at the house one time, and redacted may have
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met him. Redacted was one of the girls who came
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from massages. Redacted told redacted to get redacted a tutor.
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Epstein wanted to give Redacted more. Redacted may have bought
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a picture of her artwork. Redacted and redacted brought girls.
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Redacted purchased a lot of gifts for Redacted's baby. Redacted
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thought Redacted was older, but was unsure of how old
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Redacted was. When Redacted travel with Epstein to New Mexico,
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it was a long drive to the house. It was
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a big house with the giant with the guest house.
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Redacted felt that she was likely doing the to do
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list from New York. Redacted had to give Epstein facials.
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There was a horseback riding with a disclaimer. Redacted or
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recalled that they barely traveled to New Mexico. They were
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there maybe twice. Redacted was paid every two weeks. Her
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starting salary was thirty six thousand and eventually was paid
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approximately forty thousand to forty one thousand. The individuals who
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traveled with Epstein, including redacted and redacted, were given massages.
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Alan Dershowitz received a massage from redacted. She had a tattoo.
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Redacted and Redacted gave massages. Redacted understood that these massages
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to be more professional massages. These massages were different than
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the massages the girls gave. Redacted did not think the
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girls were professional messuses. Redacted was Epstein's girlfriend. Redacted heard
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them exchange I love you. Redacted was a model Redacted
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was associated with redacted and or traveled under the impression
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that Epstein was a co owner. Redacted traveled with Epstein
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and did not model. Redacted slept in the bedroom with Epstein.
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Redacted went back to modeling when she needed to renew
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her visa. Redacted and Redacted had an intimate relationship. Redacted
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talked about a time where Larry Summers was sitting in
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the waiting room and having a lengthy meeting with Epstein.
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Redacteds aw Redacted, who looked like she came from an event,
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and told her that she had been looking for girls.
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Redacted described and Epstein's relationship as a strong love relationship.
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Redacted stated there was no alcohol around unless a guest
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wanted it. Redacted resigned from working for Epstein. Redacted did
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not want to be around Epstein anymore. Redacted felt that
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there was something weird going on with the complete situation.
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It took Redacted a while to make the decision to quit.
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Redacted stated that they used Citrix based system. Leslie Groff
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put messages in the system. These were messages that were
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on the computer in New York. They eventually stopped using
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the system. There were small directory books, phone books were outdated.
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There were printouts of messages. In approximately October of two
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thousand and five, Redacted, redacted, and Redacted and Epstein flew
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to Miami. Redacted, along with her dog she traveled with,
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went to redact his house. Epstein went with redacted and
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Redacted and Redacted later met up with them at Soho
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house in Miami Beach. Redacted dropped off Redacted and was
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told to go to Palm Beach to meet with someone.
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Epstein told Redacted that something was stolen and Redacted had
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to travel to give computers to be examined. The person
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Redacted met with was alone. This happened the day before
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Redacted's birthday. At Ebstein and Redacted told Redacted to take
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the books, which were personal contact phone books. The black
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ones were Maxwell's and the colorful ones were Epstein's. Redacted
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could not remember if she took both. There were a
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lot of books by each phone. There were copy pads
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that people would put messages on and tear out to
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give to Epstein. There were also white pads with Epstein
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and Maxwell's names throughout the houses. Janotes Banasik helped gather
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the items together. There was a computer that redacted and
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redacted used Epstein's computer and potentially Maxwell's computer that they collected.
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Redacted turned these items over to a person that seemed
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to be a law enforcement type of person. She took
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an inventory of the things that she gave to this individual,
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who she believed to be Detective Black. There was a
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specific computer that redacted and Redacted used in Palm Beach.
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Redacted or recalled the girl saying something about social profile.
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Redacted also asked Redacted to bring books from the Virgin
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Islands and meet her in Maxwell's office. Redacted toil Redacted
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to shred an updated list of the name of girls.
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Redacted had a notebook with the investigative agency sticker on it.
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Epstein told redacted that there was an investigation and that
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it had something to do with visus. Epstein told Redacted
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that they were asking about our parents. Epstein was surprised
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Redacted with a visit from her parents. Redacted knew that
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Epstein was lying about how her parents got her VISs.
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Redacted or recalled the time when she was on the
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island and Epstein told her, do you have the camera?
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They're watching me? Redacted did not recall how she learned
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about the actual reason for the initial investigation. Epstein's council,
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Darren Endyke, called her into his office and told her
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not to talk to law enforcement. In approximately October of
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two thousand and five, Redacted resigned to Redacted. Redacted took
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it as a joke. Redacted had called her about an
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issue with Maxwell. Redacted cried and told her that she
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did not want to be there. Redacted gave notice, but
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still worked for Epstein until early of two thousand and six.
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Epstein promised Redacted a car. Redacted told him to cancel
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giving her the car. Epstein gave Redacted a car, which
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she kept and it stayed in her name. Redacted felt
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that she had to stay in contact with Epstein because
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the car was in his name and was under his insurance.
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In early two thousand and eight, contacted either Groth or
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someone else and asked her return the car. Redacted and
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her husband drove upon Beach to return the car. After
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a Redacted left, Redacted approached her at a club Monaco
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and asked her if she wanted to come to the
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Virgin Islands for work. Redacted told her no. Attorneys reached
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out to Redacted, asking questions there was a woman in
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New York. Redacted that reached out and told her that
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her attorney was Bryce Lyons. Redacted called the office, asking
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if she could speak to Lions. Redacted thought FBI agents
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might want to talk with her. Redacted spoke with an
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FBI agent, and she told the agent to call her attorney.
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Redacted later hired her own attorney. Redacted saw Epstein looking
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at pornography on the computer that she and the others used.
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Epstein said that porn websites have the best poses for models.
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Epstein said that he did not have an email address,
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but he did. Email addresses that Epstein used were Jay
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Epstein at yahoo dot com and je Epstein at yahoo
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dot com. Redacted saw an email of pictures of girls
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that Epstein said were ugly. Redacted told redacted to send
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photographs of girls to Jean Luke Brunel for the purpose
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of casting scouting for his agency. Epstein did not carry
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a cell phone. Epstein would take one of their cell
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phones and dial who he wanted. Redacted has received random
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calls and texts from New York numbers. When she left
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Epstein's employment, she felt fearful that someone was following her.
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Not all the details were covered During the interview, Redacted
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agreed to meet at another date. Oh boy, that is
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quite the three to oh two. So I'll let you
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marinate with that for a little while, and then, of
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course we'll have an episode later on breaking down what
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I think it all means and what it could mean
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for Milania Trump. All the information that goes with this
26:20
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
26:24
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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off with the Adriana Ross three to zero two report
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in New York. Redacted or remembered a girl named or redacted,
26:39
known to law enforcement as redacted, who is a model
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with a good agency. Redacted showed redacted shoes she received
26:45
from Epstein as a gift. Redacted would come and see Epstein.
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Redacted thought Redacted was the young model around seventeen years old.
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Redacted travel to New Mexico and Palm Beach. Redacted recalled
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to time when Larry Summers was visiting. At the time
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in Epstein's New York house, there was a very large
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meeting with Epstein in the upstairs living room. Redacted was
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helping serve drinks and food. Redacted recall being in Epstein's
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New York house in the waiting room, which was to
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the left when entering the house. When Redacted came in,
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Redacted was dressed as though she had come from an event.
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Redacted told Redacted that she was looking for girls for Epstein.
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Redacted also helped find a chef, and Redacted said they
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found pornography or something similar. Redacted recalled the time where
27:34
Prince Andrew had breakfast with Epstein. There was a young
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ballerina dancer that curtseyed when Epstein introduced her to Prince Andrew.
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Redacted thought that this girl was introduced by redacted, but
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Redacted was not sure. Redacted had a sexual encounter with
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Epstein and Redacted. Redacted was going to the gym and
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the jin asked about the sexual partners and the car.
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Redacted told Epstein and Redacted and told her Redacted that
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she had to disclose. Redacted said something like, what about
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all the girls that Jeffrey has in New York? Redacted
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was always with Epstein. New York was Redacted's home base.
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Palm Beach was Redacted's home base. Redacted had a studio
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apartment at three zero first East sixty sixth Street. Pilots
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also stayed at this location, and Redacted had an apartment
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at this location as well. Redacted did not recall having
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meals together with Epstein and others in Palm Beach. While
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on the island things were more scheduled and meals were
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shared together. Epstein would snack as opposed to sit down
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for meals. In New York, they ate out more, and
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when it was around six or seven in the evening,
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she would go home to her apartment in Palm Beach.
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Redacted stayed in Epstein's house on the second floor. Redacted
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stayed above the garage towards the front of the street.
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Occasionally Redacted stayed in this room too. Redacted took photographs
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of redacted. Redacted cataloged all the photographs and kept them
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in Maxwell's townhouse where they worked. There was a Mac
29:08
computer with a large printer. Redacted had a laptop. Redacted
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have large binders to organize the photographs. There were a
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lot of nude photographs of women posing in each of
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his houses. Redacted thought that she had a camera because
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she remembered taking photographs of Epstein, Redacted and Epstein playing
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chess Redacted remembered she and redacted taking photos at the pool,
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but did not remember who took the photos. Redacted did
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not remember taking nude photographs. Redacted met Maxwell because Epstein
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tasked Redacted to buy toiletries for guests staying at three
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oh one to sixty sixth Street location. Redacted came to
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learn that Maxwell was Epstein's former girlfriend. Maxwell bought furniture
29:52
around the world for Epstein. Epstein delivered the news of
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Maxwell's father's death. Maxwell gave instruction to house managers. Redacted
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remembered seeing Maxwell in pom Beach and on the island,
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but saw her a lot more in New York. In
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pom Beach, Epstein had a large bedroom with two bathrooms.
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Maxwell had her belongings in his house and closets. Maxwell
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told her Redacted to do things and tasks. Redacted did
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not like Maxwell and tried to avoid her. Maxwell was
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not a nice person. Maxwell always had the house manager
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in tears. Redacted thought that the house manager was from
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the Philippines and had twins or young kids. Redacted and
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redacted Ellen U worked for Maxwell. Redacted was an assistant
30:37
who worked at the house, and redacted worked out of
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the New York office. There was a setup of three
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deaths at the office. Redacted seemed close to with Maxwell.
30:47
Epstein gifted redacted with a fur coat that was kept
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at Maxwell's house. Redacted worked for Epstein. Redacted worked for
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her redacted, with Epstein as her overall boss. Maxwell participated
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in threesomes when Epstein was her boyfriend. Redacted or called
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the time in New Mexico where she traveled to a
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spa and Maxwell said, Oh, and if you find a
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pretty girl, get her number and she can give a
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massage to Epstein. Maxwell was a very strong person. Redacted
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or called the time where she traveled to Florida and
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her phone was not working. Redacted call redacted to connect
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her to Maxwell. Redacted had to talk to redacted about
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Maxwell being upset because Redacted took up Maxwell's assistance time
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and palm beach. Redacted called in schedule of massage appointments
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for Epstein. This seemed like a regular activity in New York.
31:38
Grop schedule massage appointments. Redacted did not schedule. In New York,
31:42
Epstein received massages twice a day every day. Redacted would
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also have to schedule and confirm massage appointments Epstein would
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tell them that Maxwell could get something if they could not,
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because Maxwell was persuasive. Redacted came across as condescending to redacted.
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Epstein would tell Redacted how ungrateful she was and not
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saying thank you. Epstein said something similar to Redacted when
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she received a haircut and did not say thank you
32:09
to Epstein. Redacted was told to tell Redacted to pack
32:13
up and leave the apartment. Redacted told Epstein that she
32:16
would never get an abortion, and Epstein asked what if
32:19
the baby had down syndrome or if she was raped.
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Epstein liked to play mind games on the island. Redacted
32:26
was sick with a fever when Epstein came into the
32:28
room and said, wake up, lazy fuck. On one of
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Redacted's days off, Epstein left her a message and he
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was very upset. Epstein made her sit on the floor
32:37
and do a pedicure. Epstein obsessed about Redacted putting on
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his I cream. If she missed a day, he would
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get upset. There was a time on the island where
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Epstein said that despite the guy being married, he was gay.
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Epstein said this gentleman needed to spend more time with
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Redacted and Redacted. The man's wife was Diane von Furstenberg.
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Epstein called Redacted a Polish Nazi. On the island and
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in New Mexico, along with one time in Palm Beach,
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Redacted would have to give a massage and it would
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lead to sexual contact with Epstein. Another girl redacted also
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gave a massage Redacted or called. The time where redacted
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the house manager asked her to come downstairs, Epstein asked
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Redacted to run him a vath. Redacted was in the
33:25
room topless, Redacted touch redacted. There was a time where
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Redacted was asked to travel to Boston. Epstein often went
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to Harvard. Redacted thought that the trip there was a
33:37
short flight on his Gulf Stream. The bed was made
33:41
when there was nudity and a sexual encounter. Epstein wanted
33:44
to have sex and if Redacted said no, he stopped.
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Other times, Redacted was involved in sexual encounters and Redacted
33:52
initiated them. The sexual encounters were predominantly associated with massages.
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In Redacted's mind, she did not want to do it,
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but went along with it. There was a very strange
34:03
situation that happened on the plane when Epstein grabbed Redacted
34:06
by the neck and shook her heart. Redacted did not
34:09
remember Epstein being forceful with sexual encounters. Redacted was twenty
34:13
to twenty one years old and stated that it was consensual.
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Epstein sometimes tole Redacted that she had massaging duty. Redacted
34:23
was confused and this was part of her role. Redacted
34:26
did not see her Redacted give massages. Epstein flew Redacted's parents,
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and as a surprise, Redacted was not happy with this
34:34
because he had access to her parents at a prior time.
34:37
Epstein and Redacted talked about her Polish background, and Epstein
34:41
had said the last name of her grandmother. Redacted knew
34:44
at this point he had done research on her family
34:47
and her background. A Department of State agent Ben Wolf
34:52
flew on Epstein's plane and asked who all the girls were.
34:55
Epstein told Redacted that she should ask Wolf about her
34:59
immigration status. Epstein also told her to talk to Endyke,
35:03
but Indyke cannot help. Epstein first told her that she
35:07
had massage duty when they were on his island together.
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Redacted could not recall how it progressed to sexual contact.
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Redacted felt the sexual encounter with redacted was planned. Redacted
35:20
initiated the contact with Epstein and redacted. Redacted had approximately
35:25
five encounters with the two of them together. Epstein joked
35:29
that Redacted was his gay girlfriend. There was one time
35:32
when Epstein was not present and Redacted initiated sexual contact.
35:37
Redacted gave redacted a massage. Redacted also gave a massage
35:41
to a girl who flew to the island. Redacted did
35:44
not know the girl's name. Redacted met this girl at
35:46
Saint Bart's, where this girl was a sales associate. This
35:50
girl did not look underage to redacted. Redacted flew this
35:53
girl in Redacted talked about a conversation with Epstein in
35:57
which he talked with her about keeping men happy. Redacted
36:01
took this as flirting or given sexual favors. Redacted did
36:04
not respond. Epstein introduced Redacted to redacted. Epstein introduced redacted
36:10
as his cousin to them and other people. When Redacted
36:14
looked up the word cousin and slang in man prostitute,
36:17
Redacted was upset by this. She felt Ebstein was propositioning her.
36:22
There was a time when they flew into Aspen and
36:24
les Wexner and other girls went shopping. They gestured to redacted,
36:29
and she thought they were talking about her. Andrew Farkas
36:32
introduced assaultan from Dubai to Epstein. Redacted was there on
36:36
the plane with Redacted and Epstein telling her what to say.
36:40
Redacted lived in New York. Epstein was telling her not
36:43
to think about it too long. They were going to
36:45
the hotel to meet up. This was in New York.
36:48
They were all in the car with Jojo driving, and
36:50
Redacted thought that she had met redacted and saw her
36:53
in New York. Redacted describe Redacted as middle Eastern. Redacted
36:58
talked about a time when Epstein, Redacted and Redacted with
37:01
her dog flew into Miami. Redacted met them at a
37:05
meeting point and was asked to entertain Redacted while Epstein unredacted.
37:08
When somewhere else they were all standing in front of
37:11
a building. Epstein helped Redacted with her SOHO house in
37:15
Miami Beach. Epstein told Redacted that she could be a
37:18
real estate agent. Epstein had Reacted meet up with developers
37:22
and architects. Redacted told her that she had to drive
37:25
to meet someone in Palm Beach. Epstein told her that
37:29
something would happen with her visa, but Redacted did not
37:32
remember everything about this Redacted thought something had happened to
37:36
Epstein's detriment. Redacted gave the number of the person she
37:40
had supposed to meet. Redacted was rushing there. Janice Banisek
37:45
and another gentleman, Paul, were there. They were grabbing computers
37:48
and notebooks. Redacted was to follow up with the gentleman
37:52
on when to get the items back. They were to
37:55
be given to someone named Detective Black and to be
37:58
returned when he was some of them. Redacted gave the
38:01
computers the notebooks to Paul Banasik found more books. Redacted
38:06
call Paul or he was still there, and she gave
38:08
them to him and thought about instructions. And they came
38:11
from because she gave them the phone number, and she
38:15
thought that they traveled on to the island. After this,
38:19
Redacted asked Redacted to gather books on the island and
38:22
to bring them back from the island. Redacted or reminded
38:25
Redacted to go in all the locations and huts. Redacted
38:29
brought these items back from the island and to New
38:32
York and gave them to Redacted. Sometimes when Redacted traveled
38:36
to the island, she went with Epstein. The two other
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times she flew from Miami to Puerto Rico to the
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Virgin Islands. There was a driver that took her from
38:44
the marina by boat. Redacted gave the books to redact
38:48
it in Maxwell's house. There was a print out of
38:51
a more recent copy. Redacted had told Redacted to shred
38:54
it in Maxwell's house. Redacted or recalled having a feeling
38:58
that it was all too all arranged. Redacted or recalled.
39:01
In epstein'sduffel bag, he kept a tape recorder. Redacted saw
39:05
it on and turned it off. In the beginning of
39:07
two thousand and six, she saw Epstein reach for the
39:09
tape recorder and slip it into his bathrobe. The initial
39:13
promise Epstein made to redacted was to work for him,
39:17
learned things like stocks in the business world. Working for
39:20
Epstein was stressful for Redacted. The verbal assaults grew, and
39:24
she never felt good working for him. Redacted told redacted
39:29
that she was resigning. Redacted did not take her seriously.
39:33
At the time, Epstein's accountant resigned, and she told Epstein
39:36
that she had resigned too. Redacted did not think Epstein
39:40
took her seriously. Either Redacted or received calls from them.
39:44
In two thousand and six. Redacted traveled to Paris with them,
39:47
where Redacted met with a former boyfriend. Redacted then traveled
39:51
to Poland. Epstein asked her to go to Dubai, but
39:54
she did not go. Epstein told her they did not
39:57
need passports, which Redacted thought strange. Redacted or recalled a
40:02
Cuba trip where a redacted kiss Fidel Castro's cheek. Redacted
40:06
was called in by Endyke, who told her that if
40:08
she ever needed help, to contact him and never talked
40:11
to the police. Redacted or recall feeling that something was off.
40:15
Epstein had a tape recorder, and Redacted recalled him, asking
40:18
if she ever beat someone up. Epstein also told her, oh,
40:22
you don't enjoy fooling around with redacted in me. Redacted
40:26
recalled when Epstein initiated the sexual encounters, telling her that
40:30
this is what her job was all along. Redacted felt
40:33
that once Epstein flipped, she knew that she could not
40:36
scream or say no. Redacted knew that Epstein had a
40:39
gun by the bed redacted or recalled, feeling that she
40:43
had nowhere to go because she was on the island.
40:46
Redacted new Epstein had guns. Epstein gave redacted a gun
40:49
once for safety purposes. Redacted remembered the time where the
40:54
gun was taken. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
40:57
episode of the Epstein Chronicle. In this episode, we're going
41:01
to dive right back in to the three ZO two
41:03
reports and look at day number three of the Adriana
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Ross proffer. Redacted was interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement
41:15
via video conference. Present for the interview was redacted to
41:19
the attorney Joseph Naciamento, along with assistant United States Attorneys redacted,
41:24
redacted and redacted, Special Agent redacted and Detective redacted. After
41:29
being advised of the identity of the above listed individuals
41:33
and the nature of the interview, Redacted provided the following information.
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Redacted was managed by redacted. Redacted was redacted to the
41:41
assistant Redacted was a runner who ran errands. Redacted and
41:46
redacted worked out of Glenn Maxwell's home. When Redacted was
41:49
first hired by Jeffrey Epstein, she was given more informal
41:53
tasks while she was modeling. One of the first tasks
41:56
that she was given was to go to Maxwell's house,
41:58
where Maxwell gave her a list of items like toiletries
42:01
to pick up for the three to oh one sixty
42:04
six street address. Redacted was Epstein's assistant. Redacted saw redacted
42:08
working with Maxwell as well. Some relationships were more formal
42:12
and office like, but redacted in Maxwell's relationship was more friendly.
42:18
Task that Maxwell gave to redacted where errands like buying
42:21
shampoo and shirts for her and wanting Redacted to clean
42:24
the office. In New York, the office inside Maxwell's house
42:27
was small, with three desks. Redacted shared the desk with Maxwell.
42:31
Maxwell spent time in Epstein's other residents. Redacted recalled the
42:36
strange message she received from Jean Luke Brunel. Redacted's English
42:40
was not great at the time, and Maxwell thought the
42:43
message was funny. Maxwell either assisted or directed or redacted
42:47
and had to write the message. Redacted had always felt
42:51
a bit intimidated by Maxwell. Maxwell's attitude came across that
42:55
she was better than everyone else. Redacted was uncomfortable around
42:58
Maxwell and limit her time around her. Maxwell overlooked everything
43:03
with Epstein. Maxwell and Epstein seemed to have a family
43:06
like relationship. Redacted was aware that Maxwell and Epstein used
43:10
to date. Redacted was also aware that the house Maxwell
43:13
lived in in New York used to belong to Epstein.
43:17
In Epstein's houses, Maxwell had a bedroom and an office.
43:20
In Palm Beach, Maxwell's office was a small room above
43:24
the kitchen in Epstein's bedroom, he had two bathrooms, where
43:28
the one to the left was where the massages took place,
43:32
and the other room had a large closet where Redacted
43:34
saw Maxwell's clothes hanging. Redacted recalled that in New Mexico,
43:39
Maxwell had a bedroom. Redacted thought it may have been
43:42
Redacted who mentioned Maxwell's bedroom because she was assigning bedrooms.
43:47
Redacted recalled Redacted had stayed in Maxwell's bedroom in New Mexico.
43:52
At every one of Epstein's properties, Maxwell acted almost like
43:56
an owner. People treated her like an Ownertedd spent approximately
44:01
fifteen to twenty percent of her time around Maxwell while
44:04
in Palm Beach. Redacted's home was in proximity, so she
44:07
would get time off. She would not always be around
44:10
Epstein's house. Redacted was mostly there at the Palm Beach residence.
44:15
Redacted or recalled traveling with Maxwell approximately fifteen to twenty
44:18
percent of the time. Redacted recalled traveling to New Mexico
44:22
with Maxwell twice. Redacted recalled traveling to Aspen with Epstein
44:27
and Maxwell. Redacted and Epstein went to see Les Wexner.
44:31
Redacted or recalled Maxwell being there with a group of
44:34
women and chewing them out. Redacted or recalled A new
44:37
house manager, Janis Benisick started in Palm Beach and brought
44:41
in fresh flowers. Maxwell was impressed. Redacted remember the time
44:46
where Maxwell questioned her on the ice in the water
44:49
she was taking to Epstein, asking if the ice was
44:52
made from Evian While in Palm Beach, Epstein received two
44:56
massages a day if Redacted traveled with Epstein. Sometimes times
45:00
Redacted would call from New York to set up the massages.
45:04
Redacted's job was to confirm with them. Redacted would sometimes
45:08
send the initial schedule and Redacted would call Epstein then
45:12
wanted Redacted to confirm and reconfirm with them, She would
45:16
have to call in the evening, and then the next morning.
45:19
Redacted did not recall Maxwell confirming massages. Alfredo Rodriguez may
45:24
have confirmed massages. When Redacted was asked if she was
45:27
aware of Maxwell's knowledge of Epstein getting massages, she replied yes.
45:32
In general, it was common knowledge Epstein had two massages
45:35
a day. Redacted talked about a time in New Mexico
45:38
where Epstein treated them to an outside location SPA facility.
45:42
Maxwell told redacted that they needed to find a pretty
45:45
massuse for Epstein. Epstein sent Maxwell, redacted and possibly redacted
45:50
to a SPA facility where each of them were to
45:53
be treated to a massage. Maxwell said the massuse for
45:56
Epstein must be pretty and must be good at massage.
46:00
Maxwell said this to the group. The phone books were
46:03
contact address books. The pastell colored books were Epstein's, while
46:07
the black small books were Maxwell's books. There was a
46:10
section for massage contacts in them. Epstein noted once that
46:15
when he and Maxwell dated, that Maxwell would bring more
46:17
girls for threesomes, saying that they were sexual relationships. Redacted
46:22
to not recall when or where Epstein said this to her.
46:25
Epstein told redacted that Maxwell brought them girls as of
46:29
the date of this interview, Redacted's impression was that this
46:32
was for sexual activity. It's surprise redacted that Maxwell would
46:36
bring other girls in for sex when Epstein told them
46:39
that this, and she did not think that that would
46:42
be something that Maxwell would do. Redacted or recall Maxwell
46:45
dating other men. Redacted describe Maxwell as high end and
46:49
sophisticated and did not think that those types of people
46:52
would do that. Epstein's expectations were when he had girlfriends,
46:59
they would have to bring other girls in. When Redacted
47:01
dated Epstein, they brought Redacted in for sex, and she
47:05
told Redacted that she Redacted had to find other girls
47:09
for Epstein. When Redacted was asked about what she said
47:12
in prior interviews about Maxwell participating in threesomes, Redacted or
47:16
replied that she was talking about what she just referenced
47:19
in regards to Epstein, telling Redacted that Maxwell participated in
47:23
threesomes at the time Redacted work for Epstein from two
47:27
thousand and four to two thousand and six, she did
47:29
not get a sense that he and Maxwell were still
47:32
in a romantic relationship. Redacted thought that they were in
47:36
a relationship years prior to Redacted working for them. Redacted
47:40
took a lot of photographs, some of them Redacted. Redacted
47:44
described them as model type photographs, possibly for Victoria's secret.
47:48
Redacted was in genes and a tank top on the
47:51
island along the beach. Redacted asked her to take off
47:55
her broad top, telling Redacted that Epstein said it was okay.
47:59
These types of photographs of other girls were on display
48:02
all over Epstein's house. These photographs were kept in large binders.
48:07
At Maxwell's house, they were in thumbnails with compact discs attached.
48:13
There was a large commercial printer at Maxwell's New York
48:15
house where the thumbnails were printed. Redacted thought that this
48:18
was possibly while the binders were kept there. Redacted described
48:22
the binders as large with packets and photographs were burned
48:26
into CDs. There were contact sheets with thumbnails, so they
48:30
knew which photographs were on which CD. These binders were
48:34
stored in a large cabinet located past the three desks
48:37
in Maxwell's office in her New York home. Redacted, redacted
48:41
and redacted worked there. There were approximately eight to ten
48:45
binders of photographs. There were other photographs as well. Redacted
48:49
described the time in Palm Beach where she was on
48:52
the couch with redacted and redacted stripped, took off her
48:56
top and danced. Epstein nudge Redacted to get the camera
48:59
to take photographs. Either Redacted or redacted put together the binders.
49:04
Everything was at the request of Epstein. Redacted enjoyed taking photographs.
49:10
She had a nice camera. Maxwell asked them to clean
49:12
the office once Redacted felt Maxwell must have observed the
49:16
printer and binders were there. They were intimate photographs, so
49:21
they would not have been printed commercially. The intimate photographs
49:24
were of different women in binders that were mainly topless
49:28
with model like poses. Some photographs in Epstein's gym along
49:32
the whole wall. They were all topless photographs. Redacted described
49:36
the photographs as young women with an unknown age range.
49:39
When asked if the age range was eighteen to twenty
49:41
years old, Redacted replied that the women were maybe younger,
49:44
but it was hard to tell because the makeup and
49:47
the model style photographs. Redacted did not recall if Maxwell
49:51
took nude photographs. Redacted was not sure if anyone other
49:55
than redacted took photographs. At the time Redacted had stopped
49:59
war working for them, the binders were still at Maxwell's house.
50:04
Maxwell sold the New York home at one point, and
50:06
Redacted thought the real estate agent had possibly taken photographs
50:10
of Maxwell's office. In regards to the storage of contact information,
50:15
Redacted would get the phone numbers for redacted. Redacted made
50:19
her own contact list that she typed up. Redacted printed
50:22
a few copies and put them in a desk when
50:25
Redacted came back to New York, these were sometimes missing.
50:29
The notebooks had massage sections, but Redacted never called from there.
50:33
Redacted only called people from the contact information given to
50:36
her by redacted and the contact list Redacted had made
50:41
from contacts given to her by redacted. Redacted gave redacted
50:45
phone numbers. Redacted was not sure where Redacted got the
50:49
information from. Redacted's contact list was created by hand, then
50:53
typed up in a word document in Palm Beach, Redacted
50:56
typed up and printed a few and stored them in
50:59
a drawer. Redacted or recall the list was missing one time,
51:02
or Redacted had thrown it out because it was crumpled
51:05
in the trash can. Redacted was at a computer in
51:08
Palm Beach, at a desk near the living room that
51:11
she and Redacted used for work. Redacted created a digital
51:14
copy for herself. Redacted was not sure if anyone else
51:18
had a digital contact list for massages. Redacted thought the
51:22
contact books for massages seemed outdated. Redacted was shown a
51:27
document titled messuses. This document's attached in one a. Redacted
51:32
did not recognize the document. Redacted did not format her
51:35
document how this one was formatted, Redacted underlined the names.
51:40
Redacted thought that there were approximately ten names on the
51:43
document she created, but thought that there may have been
51:45
more than one person on each line. Like having referrals listed.
51:50
Redacted described there being massage books around the house that
51:54
had a page that copied itself, notepads and contact numbers
51:58
and information. Some of these were kept in the pantry
52:01
behind the kitchen. There were white notepads throughout Epstein's home
52:04
that had Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell written on them.
52:08
Messages were kept on these pads. Phone numbers were kept
52:12
in systems they used to call Citrix. People's numbers were
52:15
also kept in books. Maxwell had books with black covers
52:19
throughout the house and Epstein had books with colorful covers
52:22
throughout the house. There were multiple copies of the books
52:25
throughout the house. Redacted believe that both sets of books
52:28
had contact information for massages. The contact information for massages
52:33
was organized by location. Redacted remembered skimming through the books
52:38
and seeing this. Maxwell's black books were very simple and
52:42
they were just black and white with simple front Redacted
52:45
believed Epstein's colorful books were black and white inside and
52:49
simple as well, but the font was slightly larger. Redacted
52:53
advised this may be able to recognize the books if
52:55
she saw them. She has a photographic memory. At this
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point in the interview, Redacted was shown a document. Redacted
53:04
or recalled this document to be one of Maxwell's contact books.
53:07
Redacted also recalled that the font for Epstein would have
53:11
been larger. The contact books were printed and not updated.
53:15
Redacted was given a project to update Epstein's books. She
53:18
used the Citric system to gather the numbers from in
53:22
order to update the books. Redacted did not recall being
53:25
asked to update Maxwell's contact books during the time that
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Redacted work for Epstein. She did not recall anyone switching
53:32
the books out. When Redacted was asked if she recalled
53:35
someone asking her to gather items from the Palm Beach house,
53:38
she stated yes. Redacted and Epstein told her to go
53:41
to Palm Beach to meet someone to hand over the
53:43
contact books and computers. Epstein, Redacted, redacted, Redacted, Redacted, and
53:49
redacted flew into Miami. Redacted was told to stay with
53:52
redacted while Epstein and redacted had a meeting. Redacted thought
53:56
the meeting was held at what is now called the
53:58
Soho House hotel. Redacted thought Epstein was involved in the
54:03
construction of the hotel. Redacted or recalled Redacted telling her
54:07
to meet a gentleman, and Redacted may have called before
54:10
she met him. Redacted or recall. The conversation she had
54:13
with Epstein was where he told her that something happened
54:16
to his detriment and she needed to gather the stuff
54:18
from his house. Redacted thought that she was meeting with
54:21
a police officer or investigator. Redacted drove the Palm Beach
54:26
while Redacted and Epstein flew to the island. When Redacted
54:29
arrived at the pom Beach House, Janie was there and
54:32
helped her gather the items. Redacted gathered the contact books.
54:36
Redacted or recalled definitely gathering Epstein's books, but she could
54:40
not recall if she grabbed all of Maxwell's books. Redacted
54:43
thought that she gave both sets to the gentleman. When
54:46
the gentleman left, Janice called and said that he found
54:50
a book, so Redacted called the gentleman back to hand
54:52
it over. Redacted or recalled the gentleman to be Detective Black.
54:57
Redacted thought that this was around October sixthause because it
55:00
was the day before her birthday. Redacted also recalled stopping
55:03
at a gas station and found a record of the
55:06
stop on her bank statement. Redacted had anxiety and stress
55:10
while working for Epstein. Redacted or recalled telling her to
55:14
do the same thing on the island. Redacted told her
55:17
to remove the contact books from the island and take
55:19
them to New York. Redacted thought that she may have
55:23
asked Redacted where all the books were stored because there
55:26
were so many buildings. This was possibly a couple weeks
55:29
after Redacted had already removed the books and computers from
55:33
Palm Beach. In Palm Beach, each desk had a computer.
55:36
Redacted removed the computer from Epstein's office the cabano by
55:40
the pool, along with the computer that she had Redacted
55:44
used and the computer from Maxwell's office. There was stationary
55:47
computer that security used that Redacted did not remove from
55:51
the house. Redacted removed the books from the island and
55:54
took them to New York. When Redacted returned to New York,
55:58
she gave the books to Redacted. Redacted thought Redacted left
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the office with the books. This was around the time
56:04
that Redacted had been given the assignment to update the
56:07
books Redacted asked redacted what to do with the printouts
56:11
of the contact numbers. Redacted toll redacted to ShredIt. Redacted
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did not recall why Redacted told her to ShredIt. Redacted
56:19
just recalled Epstein mentioning that something was stolen or compromised.
56:24
Redacted remembered Epstein referring to visas and immigration. Redacted did
56:28
not remember if she discussed this with anyone afterward. Redacted
56:33
or called an individual named Mark, who was the IT
56:36
person they would call if they had computer issues. Redacted
56:39
did not know if Mark worked for Wexner. Redacted thought
56:42
Mark may have knowledge about the database they used. Redacted
56:46
recalled Maxwell being somewhat intimately involved in Epstein's life. Maxwell
56:52
was very much present. Maxwell had two assistants, and she
56:55
was sort of like a boss. Maxwell was one of
56:57
Epstein's friends and ex girlfriends. Epstein kept certain people around
57:02
his life, including Maxwell and Eva Dubin, who was an
57:05
ex girlfriend. Redacted was also very close to Epstein. Redacted
57:11
thought redacted and Maxwell were close as Maxwell took redacted
57:14
to some events. Redacted recalled that Epstein bought redacted a
57:19
nice fur for Christmas and it was to be kept
57:21
at Maxwell's home. Maxwell was in every detail. Maxwell questioned
57:26
the staff in New York. When Maxwell visited Epstein's different homes,
57:30
she seemed more like an owner. Epstein and Maxwell were close.
57:34
Redacted recalled Epstein telling her that he delivered the news
57:38
of Maxwell's father's death tour. Maxwell had drivers and staff
57:42
and thought she was not nice. Redacted or recalled a
57:45
couple of times that she worked for Epstein and saw
57:49
the woman crying when she came in because Maxwell said
57:52
something mean to her. Maxwell seemed to like Epstein's person.
57:56
Redacted or recalled that there was a couch on display
57:59
at the store and the store did not want to
58:01
sell it. Epstein said to have Maxwell deal with it.
58:05
There was a massuse in Palm Beach redacted, who stayed
58:08
at the New York apartment. Epstein helped Redacted get an
58:11
internship with the teenage magazine. Maxwell was in charge of
58:15
managing the apartment. Redacted recalled that when Redacted left the apartment,
58:20
there was something missing from the apartment, and Maxwell said
58:23
Redacted must have took it. Agent note. At this point
58:27
in the interview, Redacted was shown a document. This document's
58:30
attached in one a Redacted recognized the document as being
58:34
printed copy from the Citrics database. Redacted was not sure
58:38
which of the books this would have come from. This
58:42
would have been managed by redacted. Redacted believed that Maxwell
58:46
would have knowledge of the massages. Maxwell managed Epstein's house
58:49
and was very much present. Any person that was in
58:52
the house would have had knowledge of Epstein's schedule and massages.
58:56
People spoke freely. Someone may have said that Epstein was
58:59
gadding a massage. People walked through the kitchen, and sometimes
59:03
there was a girl with another girl in there. One
59:05
girl went upstairs while another stayed in the kitchen. Redacted
59:09
or recalled that there was a chiropractor at the house
59:11
and gave an appointment to a girl that was there.
59:14
Redacted did not know what Maxwell got out of staying
59:17
with Epstein. To redact it, it seemed that Epstein and Maxwell
59:20
shared assets. Redacted or recalled the time where Epstein bought
59:24
a new helicopter and became upset because it was shaking.
59:27
He blamed it on Maxwell. Maxwell seemed like family at Epstein.
59:32
Redacted was also like family at Epstein and fond of
59:35
her daughter. Redacted. Maxwell and Epstein seemed to have a
59:39
family like relationship. All right, everybody that's going to do it?
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For day three of the three h two interview of
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Adriana Ross. All the information that goes with this episode
59:50
can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
59:53
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're going to get to the last day
1:00:00
of the profer session with Adriana Ross. Redacted date of
1:00:04
birth was interviewed pursuing to a proper agreement at SDNY
1:00:08
one Saint Andrew's Plaza, New York, New York. Present for
1:00:12
the interview was Redacted's attorney, Joseph Nasimento, along with Ausa redacted,
1:00:18
Ausa redacted, and Detective redacted. After being advised of the
1:00:23
identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview,
1:00:26
Redacted provided the following information. Redacted is shown the black book.
1:00:33
Redacted states that she recognizes this. She previously described this
1:00:37
as Maxwell's contact book. Redacted recognizes the color and the
1:00:41
size and the format. The other contact books were bigger
1:00:45
and the pastel color. All the Maxwell's books were smaller.
1:00:48
Redacted recognizes the black color and the smaller font. Epstein's
1:00:52
font was bigger. Redacted has seen this book previously. This
1:00:56
is one of Maxwell's books. There were a few of them.
1:01:00
The smaller font is familiar. Redacted has opened it before,
1:01:04
but may not have used the numbers out of it.
1:01:06
Redacted may have been told by someone that this is
1:01:09
Maxwell's book, but not sure. Redacted was tasked with updating
1:01:14
Epstein's book, which was bigger. Redacted may have been told
1:01:17
about Epstein's book. Redacted is not sure if she has
1:01:20
ever seen Maxwell with this book or if she just
1:01:23
talked about it. There was a confidentiality notice with Epstein's
1:01:27
book because of the names in them. Redacted does not
1:01:30
recall using this book to call and make massage appointments.
1:01:34
The specific contacts in the book don't stand out. This
1:01:37
book was seen in the small office behind the kitchen
1:01:40
referred to as Maxwell's office. This is where Redacted were
1:01:44
called seeing it. Names that stand out in the book
1:01:47
are Carolyn rat as Well and Jean lu Brunel. She
1:01:51
recalls rat as Well came to Maxwell's home in New
1:01:54
York and she publishes a book. Her and Epstein discuss
1:01:58
the book. Redacted does not really seeing her with Epstein
1:02:02
both Maxwell and Epstein's new Brunel he is a very
1:02:05
close friend with Epstein, and he had an apartment in
1:02:08
Epstein's New York apartment building. Redacted recalls seeing this book
1:02:12
in other houses, perhaps in the New Mexico home. Redacted
1:02:16
recalls gathering Epstein's books from the Virgin Island, but does
1:02:20
not recall gathering Maxwell's. Redacted shown message pads with sticky
1:02:25
note book number four. Redacted states that the sticky note
1:02:28
on page five could be her handwriting, but not sure
1:02:32
upon further inspection. Redacted states she does not think that
1:02:35
these notes are hers. Redacted recognizes these books and the
1:02:39
carbon copies and the messages. Redacted would leave messages for
1:02:43
Epstein in the pantry. In the kitchen, Redacted recalls seeing
1:02:47
more than one of the pads. Some were kept in
1:02:50
a drawer. Epstein went by Jaye on the pads, and
1:02:53
the staff would refer to him in the book as
1:02:56
mister Epstein. Some of the staff taking massages was redacted acted, redacted,
1:03:01
and the house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez. Redacted sees a lot
1:03:04
of ar in the book. Rodriguez was later fired. Redacted
1:03:09
would not recognize the other staff members handwriting, but she
1:03:12
understands how they would sign mister Epstein. Redacted recognizes the
1:03:17
names of redacted. Redacted came from massages and brought other
1:03:21
girls for a massage. She was pregnant at one point
1:03:24
when she came over. Redacted recognizes Jean Luc Bernell. Redacted
1:03:30
recognizes Moscovite to be Epstein's doctor in Palm Beach. Redacted
1:03:35
recognizes Darren to be Epstein's lawyer. Redacted would still have
1:03:39
an obligation to schedule massages even when she wasn't at
1:03:43
the house. Redacted refers to the second to the last
1:03:46
page where there's a message left for redacted. Redacted is
1:03:51
shown a message pad with sticky note book number one.
1:03:54
Redacted recognizes that the book is in November and states
1:03:57
that Epstein would have been there around that time. Redacted
1:04:01
recognizes Harvey Weinstein's name in the book and states had
1:04:04
triggered her. Redacted cries. Epstein encouraged the victim of Weinstein's
1:04:09
to talk to an attorney, but it turned out that
1:04:11
the attorney was an attorney for Weinstein. Epstein would bring
1:04:15
those pretty model girls around these businessmen to further his business.
1:04:19
Readacted states that some of the handwriting in the book
1:04:22
looks like hers but she's not sure. Redacted states that
1:04:25
the last page looks like her handwriting all of the
1:04:28
notes on this page. She recognizes the way she writes
1:04:31
her p N and seven. Redacted has shown message pads
1:04:35
with sticky notebook number three. Redacted recognizes in states he
1:04:41
worked for Epstein's New York office. Redacted recognizes redacted and
1:04:45
states he's the husband of redacted, the former girlfriend of Epstein.
1:04:52
Redacted recognizes doctor Henry Jureki, states he owns an island
1:04:56
in the British Virgin Islands and Redacted visit this island
1:05:00
with Epstein and Jean lu Brunel. Redacted recognizes her handwriting
1:05:05
on a message on one seven oh five. She recognizes
1:05:09
the number seven and it's signed by redacted, stating that's me.
1:05:13
Redacted recognizes the message on one to eight oh five
1:05:17
sign redacted, stating that's me. This entire page is from me.
1:05:22
Redacted recognizes the next page to be her handwriting, starting
1:05:26
with the message on one nine oh five from redacted.
1:05:30
Redacted states the rest of the notes after redacted or
1:05:33
also her handwriting. Redacted states she had a sister. Redacted.
1:05:38
The next page to be your handwriting, starting with the
1:05:40
message on one nine five from redacted. Redacted states all
1:05:45
notes on the page are her handwriting. Redacted states all
1:05:48
of the messages on the next page are her handwriting,
1:05:52
Starting at one ten oh five from Jean lu Brunel.
1:05:55
Redacted states that all the messages on the next page,
1:05:58
starting at one ten oh five from Jean lu Brunel
1:06:01
are her handwriting. Redacted states the next page, the second
1:06:05
message on one to eleven o five from Maxwell, that
1:06:08
redacted took that message. Redacted states, the next two messages
1:06:12
on that page are from her as well. Redacted states
1:06:16
the first two messages on the next page we're taken
1:06:18
by her, starting at one twenty five from Maxwell were
1:06:25
adapted states the first two messages were taken by her.
1:06:28
Redacted states the next page, all of the messages were
1:06:31
taken by her. The date on the second message is
1:06:34
one twenty four oh five. Redacted states on the next
1:06:38
page that message one two four are her handwriting, and
1:06:42
she states message number three is likely her handwriting as well.
1:06:47
Redacted states the next page, starting at one twenty six
1:06:50
oh five, that all of these messages were taken by her.
1:06:53
Redacted states. The next and last page of this book
1:06:56
are all messages taken by her. This page starts at
1:07:00
one twenty six oh five. Redacted is shown the black
1:07:03
binder marked Book ten. Redacted is shown a black binder
1:07:07
mark book ten and asked to just look at the
1:07:10
outside of it. Redacted states that this is one of
1:07:12
the binders that was at Maxwell's house with different pictures
1:07:16
inside of them. The photos are of travel with Epstein
1:07:19
or photos of naked girls or women or in their underwear.
1:07:23
They were categorized. These books were made at Redacted's request.
1:07:27
Redacted things. Redacted does not recall the color or the
1:07:30
stickers on the outside, but she remembers the plastic sleeves
1:07:34
with the CDs. She does not recall how the outside
1:07:37
was labeled with stickers or not. On the spine of
1:07:40
the binder, she recognizes stickers mark Zoro Epstein's ranch could
1:07:44
be photos from his trip redacted and redacted. Redacted is
1:07:49
shown two black binders, mark book eleven and Book eighteen.
1:07:53
Redacted is shown the black binders mark book eleven and
1:07:56
Book eighteen and asked to just look at the outside
1:07:58
of them. Redacted states that these are large office binders
1:08:03
with plastic sleeves. On the spine of the binder. She
1:08:06
recognizes a stickers mark redacted peebe Girls seven twenty seven,
1:08:10
one of his planes, redacted, redacted LSJ, and redacted. Boobs
1:08:15
could be redacted, but she's not sure. Redacted recognizes these
1:08:20
binders could have been kept in Maxwell's house where she worked.
1:08:23
They should have been inside of her office. Inside of
1:08:26
the house, the office had two rooms in it. The
1:08:29
first room had about three deaths for either redacted, redacted
1:08:32
and redacted and Maxwell. The second room was smaller and
1:08:35
had a larger printer copier inside of it. It was
1:08:38
a professional photo printer. There was also cabinets inside of
1:08:42
the room. The binders would have been stored in one
1:08:45
of the cabinets. There were multiple shelves containing binders. Maxwell
1:08:49
would come into the office and sit at her desk.
1:08:51
Maxwell would print sometimes to put these photos in Epstein's
1:08:55
home and to document Epstein's life. Redacted would photograph the
1:08:59
women in new poses at Epstein's request. Redacted did it
1:09:03
to redacted. Epstein said it was okay, and Redacted thought
1:09:07
it may be for Victoria's secret Redacted iss asked the
1:09:10
difference between the professional messuse and the not professional messuses
1:09:14
coming to the house Redacted states the professional ones carried
1:09:18
themselves different and gave massages to Redacted and others in
1:09:21
the house. The not professional messuses appeared to be young.
1:09:25
In the moment, Redacted didn't think of an age sitting
1:09:28
here today. Redacted things they appeared to be underage because
1:09:31
of their style of dressing jeans and t shirt. They
1:09:33
were casual, their immature behavior not professional manner. Their physical
1:09:38
appearance was that of a teenager. Redacted would have to
1:09:42
escort them upstairs. Redacted's visual observation and feeling that someone
1:09:47
is younger than her. On one occasion, Redacted asked Redacted
1:09:51
for a tutor for Redacted for her SATs. Redacted told
1:09:55
the story once of her speeding and her parents having
1:09:58
to come pick her up and she couldn't drive any more.
1:10:00
After that, Redacted saw lots of girls face to face.
1:10:03
Redacted thinks they were sixteen to eighteen, nineteen and twenty.
1:10:07
Redacted was about twenty one twenty two years old. They
1:10:11
felt younger than her. Over time, Redacted can now analyze
1:10:14
that they were under age. Redacted discussed conversation with Epstein
1:10:18
the first time that she met him at his house
1:10:20
for dinner. Epstein asked how old she is and if
1:10:24
she's eighteen, and he probed it further that she was
1:10:27
over eighteen. Redacted was surprised because she was married. Epstein
1:10:33
presented himself to everyone like he wouldn't cross the line.
1:10:36
Redacted had the impression that Epstein didn't want anyone under eighteen,
1:10:39
but he didn't say that. Redacted said once that if
1:10:44
someone lied to him about their age, it wouldn't matter
1:10:47
because he would still be in trouble, all right, folks.
1:10:49
So that concludes what we have as far as three
1:10:52
to oh two's with Adriana Ross, and to say that
1:10:55
those were informative quite the understatement. It's just too bad
1:10:59
that the deal Ojay doesn't feel the same way. All
1:11:03
the information that goes with this episode can be found
1:11:06
in the description box.