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Credlin | 19 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program, Big show for you tonight,
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Speaker 2: John Anderson, Tony Abbott and all the latest from the
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Speaker 2: wranglings inside labor in Victoria. Let's get into it. He
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Speaker 2: is what's coming up in the program tonight. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister announces a new ZA to deal with the widening
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis. Today and fair enough, but at a time
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Speaker 2: when we need less green ideology, his choice of an
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Speaker 2: ex climate Change Authority bureaucrat is hardly the best pick.
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Speaker 2: Revelations today too that Jim Chalmer's own Treasury Department is
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Speaker 2: modeling an inflation spike with a five in front of it. Now,
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Speaker 2: if that's the case, interest rates will keep climbing because
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Speaker 2: there's no way Labour is going to stop trying to
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Speaker 2: buy your vote with handouts. She might have laughed it
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Speaker 2: off today, but the Victorian Premier, she's under real pressure
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Speaker 2: as talks begin of a potential leadership. Could now how
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Speaker 2: serious could this get? Just into Allen, I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: the reporter who broke the story in a moment and
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Speaker 2: it's a crisis. It's not a crisis. It's a crisis again,
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Speaker 2: who can keep up the Prime Minister today laying blame
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Speaker 2: on Australians for a fuel shortage.
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Speaker 3: There is not less supply. This is an issue has
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Speaker 3: been an issue of increased demand.
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Speaker 4: Seriously, he's got to do his job and stop lecturing
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Speaker 4: the public about what they should be doing.
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Speaker 2: First. It's little wonder that Australia's productivity is so low
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Speaker 2: when we deliberately refrain from doing what we're good at Today.
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Speaker 2: Federal Treasurer Jin Chalmers said that productivity would remain low
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Speaker 2: for the next five years, as if somehow he had
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with this or the government.
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Speaker 5: Prior toivity growth had been two week for two decades.
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Speaker 5: Pandemic related and broader seaclical volatility has also made these
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Speaker 5: underlying trends harder.
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Speaker 2: To internment.
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Speaker 5: A more previously expected productivity or to return the trend
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Speaker 5: within two years. Now it expects that convergence to take
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Speaker 5: closer to five.
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Speaker 2: I mean, here is the great hand ringer in chief,
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with us, Jesus, It's terrible. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's no great secret y productivity, labor productivity especially is flatlined.
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Speaker 2: More power for the unions makes it harder and harder
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Speaker 2: to run a business, and ever increase in green tape
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Speaker 2: makes it harder to start new projects. And when individuals
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Speaker 2: aren't producing more, it's no wonder that people feel poorer.
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Speaker 2: But how's is for a classic example of economic self harm. Today,
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales labor government, normally one of the
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Speaker 2: more sensible ones, announced that there would never ever be
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Speaker 2: now new coal mines in that state, even though coal
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Speaker 2: is the biggest single export in New South Wales. Now
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Speaker 2: in what half sensible country, what a governmor now that
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Speaker 2: there could be no more of the activity that's the
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Speaker 2: largest producer of its wealth. Yet that is exactly what
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Speaker 2: the New South New South Wales government has just done,
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Speaker 2: even though last year New South Wales coal exports were
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Speaker 2: worth some thirty three billion dollars and generated three billion
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Speaker 2: in royalty revenue alone for the state government. Now, to
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Speaker 2: give Chris Min's his due, there's currently only a few
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Speaker 2: proposed new coal mines for the state, as opposed to
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Speaker 2: a dozen proposals to extend or expand existing coal mines.
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Speaker 2: So the announcement that there would be no new ones
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Speaker 2: could be seen as smart politics, I mean dumb economics,
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Speaker 2: but smart politics to a left wing government wanting to
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Speaker 2: curtail any growth in the green vote. But by pandering
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Speaker 2: to the green movement in this way, the North Whales
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Speaker 2: state government has jeopardized the long term prosperity of the state.
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Speaker 2: Sooner or later the existing coal mines will run out
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Speaker 2: of room to expand. And what will New South Wales
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Speaker 2: do then? What will Australia do then to pay its
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Speaker 2: way in the world. If there's one thing the current
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Speaker 2: Iran war has shown us, it's this reminder of our
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Speaker 2: continuing dependence of fossil fuels. For all the talk of
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Speaker 2: a green transition, ninety percent of our total energy needs
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Speaker 2: here in Australia still come from fossil fuels. That's why
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Speaker 2: the closure of the Strait of home Moos, through which
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of the world's oil and gas transit, has
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Speaker 2: caused such a huge spike in prices and now the shortages.
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Speaker 2: Because let's have some realism in the whole emissions green
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Speaker 2: energy debate. Did you know that as an example, last year,
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Speaker 2: including in China, coal gas and oil use and production
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Speaker 2: reached recor levels the highest amounts in human history. Here
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Speaker 2: in Australia, it's almost impossible to get any new resource
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Speaker 2: projects approved, let alone fossil fuel ones. Just look at
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Speaker 2: the ten years governments have faft around in relation to
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Speaker 2: the giant Narrabraie gas field, gas that we desperately need
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. Gas we could also earn billions from
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Speaker 2: in terms of export dollars. But as bad as that
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Speaker 2: has been, and liberals here are just as bad as
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Speaker 2: Labour on the issue of Narrabrai, today's coal capitulation is
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Speaker 2: even worse. Add in the fact that federal treasury is
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Speaker 2: now looking at a five percent inflation rate because Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers and Alban Easy are addicted to handouts to buy votes.
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Speaker 2: And it's no accident that we feel poor. We feel
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Speaker 2: poor because we are our federal debts about to hit
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Speaker 2: one trillion dollars, real wages are not keeping up with
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Speaker 2: the cost of things we need to buy, Housings out
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Speaker 2: of reach for so many, and there's now real fears
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Speaker 2: that a recession is on the way. Honestly, we are
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Speaker 2: committing slow economic suicide. And yet most Australians still think
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Speaker 2: government spending is someone else's money. It's not. Every dollar
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Speaker 2: that government spends is a dollar you have worked hard
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Speaker 2: to earn. It might be old now, but this spray
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Speaker 2: is still as relevant as ever.
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Speaker 6: Minimizing tax. I don't know anybody who doesn't minimize their tax,
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Speaker 6: and that you are doing so in ways that work
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Speaker 6: contrary to the spirits of the law. Well, I just
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Speaker 6: got through telling you what I thought about that, and
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Speaker 6: what you're saying is exactly what the Four Corners program says.
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Speaker 6: I am not evading tax in any way, shape or form. Now,
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Speaker 6: of course I am minimizing my tax. And if anybody
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Speaker 6: in this country doesn't matter, actually want their head room.
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Speaker 6: Because I look at a government, I can tell you
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Speaker 6: you're not spending it that well, that we should be
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Speaker 6: donating extra.
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Speaker 2: And that's why a government wasting your money is just
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Speaker 2: so wrong. All right, let's head to Camber now for
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Speaker 2: to night's headlines. Sky News political reporter Trending Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister has announced a new fuel task force
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Speaker 7: as the Competition Watchdog launches an investigation into the major suppliers.
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Speaker 3: Our fuel supply is currently secure, However, I want us
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Speaker 3: to be over prepared.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 4: The task force should be the Minister and his team.
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Speaker 7: Long serving bureaucrat Anthea Harris will take on the role
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Speaker 7: She was appointed by Labor in twenty twelve as the
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Speaker 7: founding CEO of the Climate Change Authority and pushed for
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Speaker 7: stronger emissions targets.
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Speaker 9: This is going to be a huge task that requires
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Speaker 9: skill sets around logistics, and I hope she does have
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Speaker 9: the skill set.
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Speaker 3: Opposition's level of negativity is embarrassing.
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Speaker 7: In a surprise announcement, power prices are set to fall
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Speaker 7: between one and ten percent for households from July. It's
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Speaker 7: part of the new draft default market offer by the
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Speaker 7: Energy Regulator, which helps set the benchmark for prices on
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Speaker 7: the East Coast.
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Speaker 10: Australian households continue to be under pressure, but I think
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Speaker 10: I think anyone of goodwill would welcome a reduction in
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Speaker 10: energy prices.
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Speaker 7: The Treasurer is warning inflation could climb above five percent
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Speaker 7: here at home and economic growth will take a hit
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Speaker 7: if the Middle East conflict drags on. In his pre
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Speaker 7: budget speech, the Treasurer admitted Australia won't hit its productivity
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Speaker 7: goals for at least five more years.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 5: Treasury thinks there is now more uncertainty over the long
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Speaker 5: term direction of productivity than there has been in the past.
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Speaker 4: For four years, I've been saying that they've been putting
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Speaker 4: a band aid on a bullet wound because they have
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Speaker 4: the bullet wound is gangrenous.
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Speaker 7: And the unemployment rate increased to four point three percent
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Speaker 7: in February, driven by a jump in Australians looking for work.
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Speaker 7: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: It looks like good news on power prices, but I'm
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Speaker 2: going to give you a little bit of reality check
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Speaker 2: on that in a moment. But joining me now for
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Speaker 2: my panel on this and many other things. Senior fellow
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Speaker 2: at the MENSIS Research Center, Nick Cator and our sky
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Speaker 2: and is contributed Caroli Katsu and Bannas Nicole'll start with
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Speaker 2: a fuel zar. The PMS appointed Anthea Harris to do
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Speaker 2: this job. No experience in logistics, no experience in the
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Speaker 2: fossil fuel industry. She's a former bureaucrat within the Climate
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Speaker 2: Change Authority. Now I'm hardly reassured here given the huge
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Speaker 2: challenges we face, given the fact that the Minister Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen's busy running around doing all that stuff for the
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Speaker 2: cop job is doing as well as supposedly the minister
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Speaker 2: here in Australia, wouldn't we have been better served with
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Speaker 2: an industry expert.
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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely dismaying at this one, Peter. I mean, she's
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Speaker 1: an expert in climate policy, in setting up government departments.
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Speaker 1: I think she's set up the Climate Change Authority, but
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Speaker 1: she knows nothing as far as I can see. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing on a CV to suggest she has any understanding
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Speaker 1: of logistics, of supply chains of markets. This is the
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Speaker 1: issue here. It's an issue of supply and getting it
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Speaker 1: to the where it's needed around the country. That's not happening.
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Speaker 1: Diesel is being rationed throughout country New South Wales country,
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Speaker 1: Victoria country, Queensland as we know, and it's about how
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Speaker 1: to get that fuel to them, and to get it
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Speaker 1: to them at a reasonable price as well, because this
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Speaker 1: at the moment is really hurting not only farmers, but
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Speaker 1: it's also hurting the lowest paid people, the people who
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Speaker 1: often rely on cars because they live in the outer suburbs.
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Speaker 1: These discount fuel stations, which we're offering fuel at fifty
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Speaker 1: cents or so below the big petrol stations, those prices
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Speaker 1: have gone right up. That is logistics and a market issue,
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Speaker 1: and I'd think she's very ill equipped to deal with
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Speaker 1: those sort of problems.
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Speaker 2: Now, call me cynical, Nick, but I know how labor works.
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Speaker 2: During the COVID crisis, we obviously had a reduction in
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Speaker 2: cars on the road, so we had this fortuitous drop
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Speaker 2: in admissions in Australia and it made the targets look better.
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Speaker 2: And given where she's come from, given the zelotory of
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Speaker 2: this government in Canberra, they're not going to be unhappy
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Speaker 2: if we have to dramatically reduce our fuel use, if
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Speaker 2: it's either by shortages or price constraints. If we stop
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Speaker 2: using our cars in the city and we lower the
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Speaker 2: emissions even for a short period of time, Chris Bowen's
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Speaker 2: targets are going to look even better for him. And
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Speaker 2: of course he's sharing this big role for Coop. He'll
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Speaker 2: look like a lion killer if we stop using our cars.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And you know, I note the extinction rebellion were
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Speaker 1: cheering on the fact that petrol and diesel is so
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Speaker 1: hard to get nowadays, they're leaning into that green instinct
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Speaker 1: and also trying to make those artificial. That's why she's there,
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Speaker 1: she said, a deficial top.
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Speaker 2: That's why she's there. That's why she's there, Carrollly, I
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Speaker 2: want to go to some stats out in Victoria, no
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Speaker 2: surprise to anyone who lives down South. Overall crime in
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Speaker 2: the state is up four point two percent, with over
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Speaker 2: six hundred and thirty thousand criminal offenses recorded last year.
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Speaker 2: Victoria's also had a two decade high in terms of
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Speaker 2: the numbers of cars stolen thirty two thousand thefts over
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Speaker 2: the year. Now, the government was out there today trying
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Speaker 2: to say that four percent a win, four percent hikes
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Speaker 2: a win. They say that this is at a manageable
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Speaker 2: level for police. We are talking about a crime committed
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Speaker 2: in Victoria every fifty seconds. Surely this alone should see
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Speaker 2: the government booted out come November.
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Speaker 9: Well you would think so, But again it's continual gas
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Speaker 9: lighting of the Victorian people by this Victorian state labor government.
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Speaker 2: You've got Victoria.
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Speaker 9: Police that have come out today and said that a
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Speaker 9: four percent increase, any increase is not a win. Arm
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Speaker 9: robberies are up, assaults are up, home invasions are up,
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Speaker 9: Retail theft is up. There's a slight reduction in aggravated burglaries.
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Speaker 9: But there are two hundred and thirty thousand innocent Victorians
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Speaker 9: who are victims of crime. The problem is the government
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Speaker 9: keeps saying that their policies are working, but you've got
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Speaker 9: a core group of recidivist offenders, twelve hundred young people
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Speaker 9: who are responsible for allegedly seven thousand offenses.
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Speaker 2: The police catch them.
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Speaker 9: The bail laws have been watered down, they're still released
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Speaker 9: on a revolving door. And it is like a Seinfeld
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Speaker 9: episode where George said to Seinfeld, it's not a lie Jerry,
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Speaker 9: as long as you believe it.
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Speaker 2: Between now and November, the.
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Speaker 9: Liberal Opposition really has to prosecute the case that the
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Speaker 9: laws have been watered down. Melbourne is not a safe city.
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Speaker 9: It's very sad to say it's not safe. Innocent people
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Speaker 9: being hurt, and more needs to be done, a visible
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Speaker 9: police deterrant. They're fifteen hundred officers down. Victoria Police have
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Speaker 9: said they need to get back to their full complement
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Speaker 9: of seventeen thousand staff. There's only so much they can
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Speaker 9: do when they're actually rounding these people up and then
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Speaker 9: these people are bailed to then go out again and
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Speaker 9: do it again. It's going around in circles and just
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Speaker 9: one a very quick thing. There are hundreds of people
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Speaker 9: waiting to go into the Victoria Police Academy, but the
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Speaker 9: government are deliberately doing stalling tactics and not actually putting
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Speaker 9: them through because allegedly they've got no money in.
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Speaker 2: Order to pay these offices.
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Speaker 9: So it's not a shortage of people wanting to join
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Speaker 9: Victoria Police.
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Speaker 2: It's actually a.
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Speaker 9: Logistics and an operational thing. And dare I say, Q,
14:43
Speaker 9: fifteen billion dollars of alleged corruption taxpayer funded. What would
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Speaker 9: fifteen billion dollars do I think would be able to
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Speaker 9: solve the problems of the police, the ambulance, the firefighters
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Speaker 9: and help normal Victorians.
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Speaker 2: And there are suburbs after suburb where they've got in
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Speaker 2: many cases, brand new or near new police stations that
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Speaker 2: aren't even open, or if they are open, though supposed
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Speaker 2: to be open for twenty four hours a day, that
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Speaker 2: are operating at reduced hours. And this speaks to your point. Currently, Nick,
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Speaker 2: let's go to that treasury modeling today, because the best
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Speaker 2: case modeling example that the Treasurer spoke to was that
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Speaker 2: we'ld have an inflation hike of four point five percent. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'll remind people the band for the RBA before they
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Speaker 2: move rates to the band that they want us to
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Speaker 2: stay in is between two and three percent. So four
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Speaker 2: point five's way out of that. But they've also modeled
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Speaker 2: inflation hitting and whopping five percent. So you think things
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Speaker 2: are bad now, wait for things to hit five percent
15:43
Speaker 2: if we end up there. They also say, if we
15:45
Speaker 2: end up at a five percent inflation rate, will have
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Speaker 2: a drop in growth point six. You're getting dropping growth
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Speaker 2: in two successive quarters. You're in a recession. That's what
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Speaker 2: the governor was talking about today. But let's go back
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Speaker 2: to that point about this default draft market offer. This
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Speaker 2: is for the East coast out there today and the
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Speaker 2: government will be hoping they've got all the headlines tonight
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Speaker 2: to say power prices aren't coming down. First, it's draft,
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Speaker 2: it's not the final offer. But secondly, and this is
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Speaker 2: the most important thing, it does not factor in Iran
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Speaker 2: and the impacts of the war. Yet wait for that
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Speaker 2: to hit, and those power prices won't be going down.
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Speaker 2: Nick will that they'll be going up.
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Speaker 1: They won't because of course gas is highly affected. There's
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Speaker 1: a world gas price. It's affected by whatever is happening
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Speaker 1: on the world market. And there's a huge shortage now
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Speaker 1: because gas is being stopped going through the straits of
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Speaker 1: ull moves as well as oil. So where those prices
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Speaker 1: are going to rise. So I think this price fact
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Speaker 1: factored before that the dispute before the war in Iran
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Speaker 1: is probably pretty much meaningless. But either way, electricity prices
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Speaker 1: remain much much higher than their world when this government
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Speaker 1: came to office, and all the fundamentals system costs, and
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Speaker 1: so fourth point to it going even higher. On this inflation, well,
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Speaker 1: I think Treasury is modeling is sobering on this. We're
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Speaker 1: probably looking more towards the five percent of the four
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Speaker 1: and a half percent based on the current price of oil.
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Peter. You know, world factors are
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Speaker 1: having an impact. But how is it that if you
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Speaker 1: see this all down to Iran and not local factors,
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Speaker 1: how come that the Bank of Canada reviewed interest rates
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Speaker 1: this week and held them at two point twenty five
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Speaker 1: percent and Sweden sitting at one point seventy five percent.
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Speaker 1: We have some of the highest inflation and therefore the
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Speaker 1: highest interest rates in the developed economies.
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Speaker 2: Let me go to childcare, Caraali, because my audience knows
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Speaker 2: this really sticks on the my crawl. Not only do
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Speaker 2: you not get choice as a parent in this country,
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Speaker 2: your kid has to go into unionized childcare for the
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Speaker 2: subsidies to flow. But worse than that, most of these
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Speaker 2: childcare centers are for profit. They are commercial, private companies.
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Speaker 2: And yet, for the second time, and this was a
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Speaker 2: commitment made of the last election, for the second time,
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Speaker 2: taxpayers will be paying for the pay increase of these workers.
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Speaker 2: It's a fifteen percent pay rise. The cost of the
18:12
Speaker 2: taxpayer is three point six billion dollars, so three and
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Speaker 2: a half thousand million dollars. This is not fair. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen anywhere else in the sector. Why is this.
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Speaker 9: Allowed, Well, one doesn't know, because no one wants to
18:32
Speaker 9: deny a worker a fair pay rise. But all that
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Speaker 9: happens is they seem to announce it, and then the
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Speaker 9: childcare operators up their prices as well, and they're always.
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Speaker 2: Making money out of this.
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Speaker 9: At least Angus Taylor and the Liberals are not advocating
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Speaker 9: that they're wanting to turn it on its head, that
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Speaker 9: Labour's approach is a one size fits all. The Liberals
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Speaker 9: are actually looking at it wanting a flexible, workable policy.
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Speaker 9: They're wanting parents to be given control as to whom
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Speaker 9: they choose to look after their children, whether it's a
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Speaker 9: family member or a nanny or something. And they're actually
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Speaker 9: wanting to blow this wide open, and I really hope
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Speaker 9: that they will, and I hope that parents will actually
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Speaker 9: have a look at this and realize that they're being
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Speaker 9: taken for fools, because, as I said, it's just this
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Speaker 9: endless money pit. It's a distraction thing. Whenever the going
19:19
Speaker 9: gets tough for the government, they always raise the child
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Speaker 9: and look you, this is buying votes.
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Speaker 2: This was this was an attempt and it worked to
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Speaker 2: buy the votes of sixty thousand workers. Absolutely, I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there, Thank you to you both. I want to
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Speaker 2: I'll make the point again too. If you are in
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Speaker 2: Australia and you were in a household five hundred and
19:41
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars a year, you still qualify the childcare welfare.
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Speaker 2: That is a racket, all right. Now to the leadership
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Speaker 2: speculation in Victoria. Big news today that the factional warlords
19:54
Speaker 2: inside Labor are secretly but fairly openly discussing whether a
19:59
Speaker 2: place just into allan party leader so as to avoid
20:01
Speaker 2: a wide pound of marginal seats the November election. Earlier today,
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Speaker 2: when asked about it at the premiere, brushed it off.
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Speaker 11: They're worried about how do they pay their fuel bill,
20:12
Speaker 11: their grocery bill, their energy bill. And that's what I'm
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Speaker 11: focused on, and not anonymous gossip. Not anonymous gossip that
20:20
Speaker 11: could be from a few scaley wags out there that
20:23
Speaker 11: might need a bit of a cuddle. Yes, I've got
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Speaker 11: great support from my strong and united labor team.
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Speaker 2: Here to discuss at the bloke who broke the story
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Speaker 2: Victorian political letters with the Australian, Anthony Galloway. Wow, So
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Speaker 2: clearly her poor polling is driving this talk.
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Speaker 12: Yeah it is, you know yourself, Peter. Nothing motivates marginal
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Speaker 12: seat MPs like the thought that they're going to be
20:48
Speaker 12: out of a job in eight months. And that's what
20:52
Speaker 12: they're staring down at the moment. I mean, I hadn't
20:54
Speaker 12: heard the term scaley wag since I.
20:56
Speaker 2: Was a kid. I have the same reaction.
20:59
Speaker 12: I mean, amazing that a political leader is calling her
21:02
Speaker 12: own MPs, in her own faction, in her own left faction,
21:06
Speaker 12: scully wags and kind of you know, get you know,
21:09
Speaker 12: I understand that, you know you're very nervous, but get
21:12
Speaker 12: back in your box and calm down a bit. So
21:15
Speaker 12: it was quite extraordinary, but I think it was actually effective.
21:18
Speaker 12: Her performance this morning was effective in the sense that
21:21
Speaker 12: she's called out who's agitating, and they do have a
21:25
Speaker 12: bit of egg on their face today, But it's not
21:28
Speaker 12: to say this instability is over.
21:30
Speaker 2: So let's pull this apart because for people outside of Victoria,
21:34
Speaker 2: the left faction is the dominant faction. They have the
21:36
Speaker 2: numbers and it's the left now they are talking and
21:40
Speaker 2: moving on her, and she is a creature herself of
21:44
Speaker 2: the left. She comes from the left as Daniel Andrews
21:47
Speaker 2: came from the left, and she never She's never faced
21:51
Speaker 2: the electric as a leader before right, so she's never
21:53
Speaker 2: won an election to become leader. She got handed to
21:56
Speaker 2: it from Andrews. And I guess when things are getting rocky,
22:00
Speaker 2: people can't point to a close shave and her surviving
22:04
Speaker 2: and digging in like Andrews had done. Even when things
22:07
Speaker 2: got tough for him. People had confidence that he would
22:10
Speaker 2: pull them through like he'd done before. They haven't seen
22:13
Speaker 2: her tested, and I think that's part of the reason
22:15
Speaker 2: why they're going to water.
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Speaker 12: Yes, and unlike Andrews, she's never been a factional player,
22:19
Speaker 12: so that probably does harm her. But you're right, the
22:23
Speaker 12: left have the numbers in caucus, and what's happened in
22:26
Speaker 12: recent weight So the right would move against the premiere
22:29
Speaker 12: any day and install their candidate, Deputy Premier Ben Carroll.
22:33
Speaker 13: They don't have the numbers.
22:34
Speaker 12: So what's happened in recent weeks is a big sub
22:37
Speaker 12: faction of the left. The southeast left has been canvassing,
22:43
Speaker 12: rolling the premiere, get joining numbers with the right and
22:47
Speaker 12: rolling the premier essentially.
22:50
Speaker 2: And would that mean that they would put in their
22:52
Speaker 2: person from the left or would they entertain Ben carry.
22:55
Speaker 12: This is why just Cinter Allen is still in her
22:57
Speaker 12: job tonight. They can't They can't side whether they're candidate Gabrielle.
23:02
Speaker 2: Williams or Home knows anything about.
23:05
Speaker 12: Exactly, or Ben Carroll, the deputy premier, would would be
23:10
Speaker 12: the candidate. And if you're Carol, what's in it for
23:12
Speaker 12: you to make Gabrielle Williams the leader, You're still going
23:16
Speaker 12: to be deputy leader. There's no guarantee that Williams will
23:20
Speaker 12: be any better than Allan. You know, many think that
23:23
Speaker 12: Allen is a superior public performer. So that's the reason
23:28
Speaker 12: I mean.
23:28
Speaker 2: Is the transactional cost of changing leaders too, that a
23:31
Speaker 2: new leader would.
23:32
Speaker 12: Bear transactional costs. We've got an election in November. As
23:35
Speaker 12: you say, the average swinging voter wouldn't know who Gabrielle
23:38
Speaker 12: Williams is. Ben Carroll's got a bit higher of a profile,
23:41
Speaker 12: but still would need to really build their profile quick.
23:45
Speaker 12: Jess Wilson has a head start on them the Liberal leader,
23:48
Speaker 12: so the transaction costs the kind of challenge in building
23:53
Speaker 12: that profile. I wouldn't rule out just Ciner Allen hanging
23:57
Speaker 12: on all the way into the election, but as you
23:59
Speaker 12: will do before, if the polling gets worse and they
24:04
Speaker 12: can see that you know they are staring down at
24:07
Speaker 12: not just a defeat, but a significant defeat, they may
24:10
Speaker 12: turn to someone like Carol even large section.
24:13
Speaker 2: If I was there in the leader's office for the
24:15
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, Carol would worry me a heck of a
24:17
Speaker 2: lot more than someone like Gariel Williams. And I think
24:23
Speaker 2: you'd obviously want just into Alan to stay. But I
24:28
Speaker 2: guess the difficulty for Labor is Ben Carroll without the
24:33
Speaker 2: numbers means you end up you change probably not a
24:37
Speaker 2: lot of game.
24:39
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, and you're right, Carol is the only one,
24:41
Speaker 12: the only leadership aspirin who's shown a propensity.
24:45
Speaker 2: To and he's well regarded in industry to Anthony, yes.
24:50
Speaker 12: He's shown a willingness to dispense with the Dan Andrews era.
24:54
Speaker 12: When Andrews went to China, he was heavily critical and
24:57
Speaker 12: basically accused Andrew of doing it to you know, Boost's
25:01
Speaker 12: business interests and called it terribly inappropriate. There's a view that,
25:05
Speaker 12: you know, someone like Carol might cancel the suburban rail
25:08
Speaker 12: loop and switch that contract to building airport rails.
25:13
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right to point that out because he's
25:15
Speaker 2: not tied to the legacy of the rail loop like
25:17
Speaker 2: she is, like the premieres, he's not tied to the
25:19
Speaker 2: CFMAU and the fifteen billion dollars. It sort of cuts
25:22
Speaker 2: away some of that attack from the Libs, doesn't it.
25:25
Speaker 12: He can get a fresh start. And this is what's
25:27
Speaker 12: wiring MP's more and more. She's into Allen was the
25:30
Speaker 12: relevant minister for pretty much all of that time. We're
25:33
Speaker 12: talking about where corruption happens on big and criminality happened
25:37
Speaker 12: on big build sites, and they are just worried every week,
25:40
Speaker 12: what's the next new bad story about what she knew
25:44
Speaker 12: prior to July twenty twenty four, what warning she was
25:48
Speaker 12: given and what didn't she do to act on the.
25:51
Speaker 2: Quick One relevant to all of this obviously is yes,
25:53
Speaker 2: the Liberals are gaining ground. Yes, just into Alan personally
25:58
Speaker 2: is on the nose. But if you look at two pp,
26:01
Speaker 2: it's tight still between Labor and Liberal and there is
26:04
Speaker 2: it yet that eight percent swing that the Liberals will need.
26:07
Speaker 2: There isn't the sixteen seats that are there for the
26:09
Speaker 2: Liberals to take to change government. And of course we'll
26:12
Speaker 2: see what comes out of Adelaide on Saturday night, but
26:15
Speaker 2: there is the accretion of vote away from the Liberal
26:18
Speaker 2: Party to one nation that's also going to make things
26:21
Speaker 2: tough on the center.
26:21
Speaker 6: Right.
26:22
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's sixteen seats. If it's a uniform swing, the
26:25
Speaker 12: coalition don't quite get there. However, as it is a
26:29
Speaker 12: big ass we don't know where the swing, where the
26:31
Speaker 12: really big swings are. I mean, Labor is very worried
26:34
Speaker 12: about the premier's own seat of Bendigo East and that
26:38
Speaker 12: would be a much higher swing than the state average
26:41
Speaker 12: for the Nationals to win, to win that. So that's yeah,
26:46
Speaker 12: that's the one thing I think keeping MPs, you know,
26:51
Speaker 12: broadly not entertaining a challenge yet. But this recent weeks
26:56
Speaker 12: have been very significant. It's the premier's own left action
27:01
Speaker 12: and if that subfaction doesn't deal with the right, they
27:04
Speaker 12: have the numbers.
27:05
Speaker 2: Chance, Suramas, you're going to be there in November fifty fifty.
27:09
Speaker 12: It's two Hid to Saut at this point.
27:10
Speaker 13: Wow, that's tight and.
27:11
Speaker 2: Think our way. Thank you. You can bet he'll keep
27:13
Speaker 2: staying on that story. We'll come back to it here
27:15
Speaker 2: on kredline. Right after the break. Did anything of substance
27:18
Speaker 2: come out of the National Cabinet today? A lot of
27:20
Speaker 2: talk fest, a lot of talk fest with a bureaucrawd announced,
27:22
Speaker 2: but anything real. We'll get to that. And this massive
27:26
Speaker 2: shift of military assets to the Middle East has left
27:28
Speaker 2: the Indo Pacific our region desperately exposed. John Anderson up next,
27:36
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Coming up, what the latest immigration figures mean
27:40
Speaker 2: the housing and costs are living across Australia and the
27:43
Speaker 2: poles that show almost every single state out there has
27:47
Speaker 2: a heavy majority of people who want those numbers down.
27:50
Speaker 2: But now to the ongoing concerns around fuel supply significantly,
27:54
Speaker 2: of course, the pressures are on our rural and regional
27:56
Speaker 2: communities are heavily reliant on diesel. The clock's ticking. Yeah,
28:00
Speaker 2: the vital winter crop planting season with producers anxious about
28:04
Speaker 2: a guarantee of supply so they can fire up and
28:07
Speaker 2: keep them going. This is their machinery throughout the planting requirements.
28:12
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has again called for calm. He says
28:15
Speaker 2: there aren't no supply shortages.
28:18
Speaker 3: There is not less fuel in Australia today than there
28:20
Speaker 3: was three weeks ago. Every single ship that was due
28:25
Speaker 3: to land here has landed here.
28:29
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, in a city elbow. You don't fill me
28:30
Speaker 2: with much confidence. I'd rather talk to my next guest,
28:33
Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia National Party leader and
28:36
Speaker 2: of course someone on the land, John Anderson. Well, John,
28:40
Speaker 2: you heard the Prime Minister. There is no supply issues.
28:44
Speaker 2: Everything's terrific. It's sunlit uplands. We've got a couple of
28:47
Speaker 2: weeks to get through with. Put a big bureaucrat in charge,
28:50
Speaker 2: someone who ran the Climate Change Authority. The farmers like
28:54
Speaker 2: you need to take a bex and lie down. It'll
28:56
Speaker 2: all be okay. What do you make of that?
28:59
Speaker 13: Well, now it won't.
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Speaker 10: There's been a lot of focus on petrol prices, understandably
29:02
Speaker 10: in the community.
29:03
Speaker 13: Let me make this point.
29:04
Speaker 10: First and foremost, petrol gets you to work and maybe
29:07
Speaker 10: gets the kids to school. Diesel feeds you, and urea
29:12
Speaker 10: is critical to the job of feeding you. We don't
29:14
Speaker 10: have security on either. And one of the reasons why
29:18
Speaker 10: you've had panic buying is that people are well aware
29:21
Speaker 10: that Australia is a complete outlier. Since the nineteen seventies,
29:26
Speaker 10: we have been a signatory to the International Energy Agency
29:30
Speaker 10: agreement thirty two countries around the world that we would
29:34
Speaker 10: hold a minimum of ninety days' stock to act as
29:37
Speaker 10: a battery so that we can insulate ourselves from wild fluctuations.
29:42
Speaker 10: People know that's not in place. We're about the only
29:45
Speaker 10: country that isn't. New Zealand has ninety five days of reserves.
29:49
Speaker 10: Japan has heaps, America is fully self sufficient and has reserves.
29:54
Speaker 13: Denmark has major reserves.
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Speaker 10: This country, an Ireland trading nation utterly dependent on important
30:00
Speaker 10: fuels to keep the whole thing working properly, doesn't have
30:04
Speaker 10: its reserves. So you can't blame people for saying, Prime Minister,
30:08
Speaker 10: you've been asleep at the wheel.
30:11
Speaker 13: This is outrageous. You are putting our country at risk.
30:16
Speaker 2: People say to me, they're also concerned that no confidence
30:19
Speaker 2: in Chris Bonn. We know he's doing the job for
30:21
Speaker 2: the UN as well as his day job. I think
30:24
Speaker 2: he's doing either of them very well, as my viewers
30:27
Speaker 2: would know. I think the Prime Minister doesn't get regional Australia.
30:30
Speaker 2: I mean all that talk last week in the Chamber,
30:33
Speaker 2: we've released this amount of petrol and that amount of
30:35
Speaker 2: petrol and nothing was set on diesel. Talk to us
30:37
Speaker 2: about UREA, because I don't think enough has been discussed
30:41
Speaker 2: about the fertilizer problem that we're going to face.
30:44
Speaker 10: All are you rear effectively is important? A lot of
30:47
Speaker 10: it from the Middle East Katar for example, though close production,
30:51
Speaker 10: I don't think it's reopened. A lot from China, crop
30:54
Speaker 10: protection chemicals, glysopiate the critical ingredient.
30:57
Speaker 13: One hundred percent of it comes from China. A diesel.
31:02
Speaker 10: Angus Taylor at least save two, the two refining stations
31:06
Speaker 10: that we do have big tick to him for that.
31:09
Speaker 10: If he hadn't intervened, we wouldn't even have them. When
31:13
Speaker 10: we were in government, we were self sufficient. The warning
31:15
Speaker 10: signs were starting to emerge about twelve or thirteen years ago.
31:19
Speaker 10: The NRMA, the National Farmers Federation if you don't mind
31:23
Speaker 10: me saying so, I myself have been.
31:25
Speaker 13: Warning that we do not have an energy plan.
31:28
Speaker 10: Energy rich as we may be, we are signatories to
31:31
Speaker 10: an international agreement that's meant to help us cope with
31:34
Speaker 10: just this sort of thing.
31:35
Speaker 13: We haven't done it. Our complacency.
31:38
Speaker 10: Well, as Greg Sharton put it the other day, just
31:41
Speaker 10: how many warning shots does this country and its leadership
31:46
Speaker 10: need to turn us back into a serious country.
31:50
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about warning shots, because we had the
31:52
Speaker 2: RBA governor on Tuesday come out and say she's got
31:55
Speaker 2: a recession risk. They're around the table when they discs
32:00
Speaker 2: us where inflation is and what they might do in
32:03
Speaker 2: terms of the official cash rate. Now she said the word.
32:06
Speaker 2: The Treasurer sort of got out in his press conference
32:08
Speaker 2: later in the day and said, oh, that's just a
32:10
Speaker 2: bit ridiculous. But we find out today treasury is bodily
32:13
Speaker 2: inflation running at five percent four and a half and
32:17
Speaker 2: also at five percent. If it hits five percent, our
32:21
Speaker 2: growth goes into negative. You only need two negative quarters.
32:24
Speaker 2: You have a recession. And what worries me, and you'll
32:26
Speaker 2: remember the last recession, Well, John, we were a far
32:29
Speaker 2: more resilient country not just resilient in the types of
32:33
Speaker 2: employment we had, but also I think nationally resilient as
32:37
Speaker 2: a society. I'm worried that resilience is not there.
32:42
Speaker 13: Well in a practical terms, as we just said, in
32:44
Speaker 13: terms of food security. No, it's not it. This is
32:46
Speaker 13: a real wake up time.
32:48
Speaker 10: But Peter, it's really important to understand that per person,
32:53
Speaker 10: we've been going backwards for many, many quarters. That means
32:57
Speaker 10: per person on an individual sort of numbers basis, we
33:01
Speaker 10: are in recession that have been for quite a while.
33:03
Speaker 10: Now we're talking about going into absolute recession because we
33:06
Speaker 10: went into this latest shock again as an outlier country
33:11
Speaker 10: with government expenditure exploding driving interest rates.
33:16
Speaker 13: Charmers denies that.
33:17
Speaker 10: I mean, how much credibility does that have with any
33:19
Speaker 10: serious economists or experienced politician in the country.
33:22
Speaker 13: None. It has no credibility.
33:24
Speaker 10: So we're already on a bad trajectory, not prepared for
33:28
Speaker 10: the shock by wilful demin decisions not to prepare for shocks.
33:34
Speaker 13: We can't be surprised if it all goes ah well.
33:36
Speaker 10: My plea would be to the government drop the spin
33:40
Speaker 10: and the ideological driving and deal with reality in the
33:44
Speaker 10: way that people who are feeding you or distributing your
33:48
Speaker 10: groceries or doing your hard work.
33:50
Speaker 13: Have to deal with reality.
33:53
Speaker 2: I know to keep a close watch on defense issues.
33:55
Speaker 2: A lot of hardheads are out there very concerned that
33:59
Speaker 2: with the US shift of military assets to the Middle
34:02
Speaker 2: East and I think strategic focus at the moment at
34:04
Speaker 2: least to the Middle East, that we are exposed in
34:09
Speaker 2: our region and the only real winner when that happens
34:13
Speaker 2: is China.
34:14
Speaker 13: Well, China's not winning out of the current situation in
34:17
Speaker 13: my view.
34:17
Speaker 10: I mean, they've been a backer of Iran and they've
34:19
Speaker 10: been saying America's too degenerate, doesn't lack the willpower, the
34:23
Speaker 10: firepower of doing anything about it. Plenty they can, and
34:25
Speaker 10: pliny this is playing havoc with China's economy as well,
34:28
Speaker 10: so it's not all upside for them. But the point
34:30
Speaker 10: that you raise is a very relevant one. Again, where
34:34
Speaker 10: is the action? Actually we ought to remember that right
34:38
Speaker 10: back at the time when Rudd was Prime Minister who
34:41
Speaker 10: knew and he understood China. He said, we need twelve
34:43
Speaker 10: news state of the art submarines, we need Tomahawk missiles.
34:46
Speaker 10: We're in twenty twenty six we have neither, And now
34:50
Speaker 10: You've got one question, which is should we send a
34:53
Speaker 10: ship to the Middle East?
34:54
Speaker 13: Okay, well, let's leave that for a moment.
34:56
Speaker 10: Can we And I don't think we've got the naval
34:59
Speaker 10: capacity to see endership that could defend itself.
35:02
Speaker 13: So what are we doing in our region?
35:05
Speaker 10: You know, as a deeply passionate Australian, I would plead
35:09
Speaker 10: with the Prime minister. Put the ideology aside, put the
35:14
Speaker 10: smoothing of the Australian people aside, where you try to
35:17
Speaker 10: reassure them living is all right when it isn't, and
35:21
Speaker 10: lead now the time for procrastination and complacency is gone.
35:30
Speaker 10: How many more warnings do we actually need?
35:35
Speaker 2: I will leave it there, John, I hope you have
35:37
Speaker 2: a good weekend. I hope the weekend is better than
35:39
Speaker 2: the last couple of days, particularly for farmers out your way.
35:42
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me all right after the break. Respect
35:44
Speaker 2: to former Prime Minister Tony, but I want to talk
35:46
Speaker 2: to him about this record high immigration. What I fear
35:51
Speaker 2: is a dodgy EU free trade agreement and a whole
35:55
Speaker 2: lot more See about coming up state. Media out of
36:01
Speaker 2: Iran has shown members of the women's soccer team returning
36:04
Speaker 2: to a warm welcome. Serious questions remain for the ongoing
36:08
Speaker 2: safety once the cameras are turned off. The first fresh
36:12
Speaker 2: starter out this week showing Australia's migration intake has hit
36:15
Speaker 2: record highs yet again, nearly five hundred thousand net arrivals
36:20
Speaker 2: over the past twelve months to January. Now, if you
36:23
Speaker 2: ever needed a graph to show you just how far
36:27
Speaker 2: the government has lost control of the migration program, here
36:31
Speaker 2: it is on the screen. You need to discuss this
36:33
Speaker 2: and more. Former Liberal Prime Minister Tony Tony as always
36:37
Speaker 2: great to have you on the program. They promised that
36:40
Speaker 2: they would bring migration down. That was a big promise
36:42
Speaker 2: that Labor had at the election. It's gone the other way.
36:45
Speaker 2: And there's a report on my phone like this afternoon
36:47
Speaker 2: off the Australian. But Jim Chalmers is saying it's going
36:50
Speaker 2: to actually increase, it's going to climb even further.
36:55
Speaker 5: Well, Peter, there are record arrivals happening right now as
36:59
Speaker 5: you're graph shows the January arrivals were an all time
37:03
Speaker 5: record for that month. And if net overseas migration might
37:07
Speaker 5: have dropped slightly, that's because more people are leaving. But
37:11
Speaker 5: in terms of the numbers coming in terms of our migrants,
37:15
Speaker 5: numbers have never been greater. And while the migrants themselves
37:21
Speaker 5: are come to join us, not to change us what
37:23
Speaker 5: to do. What this government wants to do is to
37:26
Speaker 5: change our country, and not necessarily for the better. This
37:30
Speaker 5: is a government which doesn't like our core Anglo Celtic culture,
37:34
Speaker 5: It doesn't like our fundamental today a Christian ethos. It
37:38
Speaker 5: feels ambivalent about a country which it things exists on
37:41
Speaker 5: stolen land. And this is part of the sort of
37:46
Speaker 5: change to change the nature of the place. That's what's
37:50
Speaker 5: going on.
37:51
Speaker 2: So the Lips had a policy at the last election.
37:52
Speaker 2: They had their own numbers on it. Now I know
37:55
Speaker 2: you talked to Angus Taylor. We're going to see a
37:57
Speaker 2: fair income policy to cut migration. All of the Lip's
38:01
Speaker 2: going to just be vanilla on this yet again and
38:04
Speaker 2: keep losing ground to one nation.
38:07
Speaker 5: Well, I hope we see a strong policy and I
38:10
Speaker 5: hope we see it sooner. Yeah, and look, there is
38:14
Speaker 5: always anxiety amongst the political professionals in inverted commas about
38:20
Speaker 5: alienating the so called migrant vote. I think the vast
38:25
Speaker 5: majority of migrants want Australia to stay recognizably Australia. They
38:31
Speaker 5: want to keep Australia Australian. Otherwise why would they have come.
38:36
Speaker 5: The only people who are constantly going on about racism
38:41
Speaker 5: and victimhood and discrimination. These are the professional migrants, if
38:46
Speaker 5: you like, who are always more interested in separatism, in diversity,
38:52
Speaker 5: in inverted commas than they are in unity. And that's
38:55
Speaker 5: what we need. We need really one Australia where everyone
39:03
Speaker 5: is part of Team Australia, not simply living in Hotel
39:07
Speaker 5: Australia and taking advantage of the facilities.
39:10
Speaker 2: I got to ask you, as a former IR minister.
39:13
Speaker 2: I was in a shop today. I was talking to
39:14
Speaker 2: a young woman who runs a small business and she said, Patty,
39:17
Speaker 2: you talk about politics. How does Justinta Allen get away
39:21
Speaker 2: with finding fifteen billion dollars from this broken state into
39:25
Speaker 2: the hands of CFMU and criminals and crime gangs. And
39:29
Speaker 2: there's no consequences? She said, if I didn't pay my rates.
39:32
Speaker 2: So I didn't pay my rates, or I missed the
39:35
Speaker 2: pay of one of my workers, I'll be hit with
39:38
Speaker 2: criminal charges. Why are there never any consequences for this stuff?
39:42
Speaker 5: Look what the CFMEU and a couple of other very
39:45
Speaker 5: milletant unions do. It's akin to a mafia protection racket,
39:49
Speaker 5: and normal law enforcement doesn't go well against the mafia.
39:55
Speaker 5: What you need is really a special operation. And that's
40:00
Speaker 5: what happened when I was Workplace Minister in the Howard government,
40:05
Speaker 5: first of all with the Coal Rule Commission, and then
40:08
Speaker 5: with the Australian Australian Building and Construction Commission, which was,
40:13
Speaker 5: if you like a tough cop on the beat, a
40:16
Speaker 5: specialist cop who really understood this area.
40:20
Speaker 13: And that's what we need again.
40:22
Speaker 5: But we're never going to get it under labor governments
40:25
Speaker 5: because labor governments depend on the rivers of gold from
40:28
Speaker 5: the CFMEU to keep their political machine going.
40:32
Speaker 2: This free trade agreement and you conducted concluded three in
40:36
Speaker 2: your Times PM between Australia and the United the European Union,
40:41
Speaker 2: so the European Union. I remember when this started in
40:45
Speaker 2: your early days. One of the concerns you had was
40:47
Speaker 2: all these demands from the European nations to basically put
40:51
Speaker 2: back on a carbon tax by stealth, to put all
40:53
Speaker 2: this green policy in it. That was sort of turbo
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Speaker 2: charged by Malcolm Turnbull. It looks like labor assigned this deal.
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Speaker 2: We don't know what's in the deal, and of course
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Speaker 2: it gets signed at executive level and then just ram
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Speaker 2: through the Treaties Committee of the Parliament. Are you concerned
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Speaker 2: about what could be in here?
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Speaker 5: Look, I'm a supporter of freer trade at least with
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Speaker 5: like minded countries with similar standards of living, but I'd
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Speaker 5: be very concerned about any deal with the EU. I'd
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Speaker 5: want to look at the fine print, because you're right,
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Speaker 5: who knows what climate capitulation, what climate concessions there might
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Speaker 5: be lurking in the fine print of a deal such
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Speaker 5: as this, Because in the end, the EU does not
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Speaker 5: want free a trade. The EU is a political project
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Speaker 5: that is basically designed to create a United States of Europe.
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Speaker 5: And that's why I think this is something that we
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Speaker 5: should look at with deep skepticism.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go. You know, I has to
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Speaker 2: bore you stupid ringing up, bitching and mining about COVID
41:58
Speaker 2: when we were in lockdown and doing everything We're trying
42:01
Speaker 2: to get Scott Morrison and Josh Friedenboo to take the
42:04
Speaker 2: concerns of Victorians seriously. Hotel quarantine in this state one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars being paid out by the
42:10
Speaker 2: government here to businesses who were hit. I don't begrudge
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Speaker 2: them the money. But this is also that Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to get into court and tell us exactly
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Speaker 2: what happened.
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Speaker 5: It looks to me like hush money. This is taxpayers
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Speaker 5: paying hush money to protect the Dan Andrews government and
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Speaker 5: to avoid the truth about that disastrous period in this
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Speaker 5: state's life coming out.
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Speaker 2: Hang our heads in shame all over there, Thanks Tony
42:39
Speaker 2: all right after the break, the latest on the female
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Speaker 2: cycle players who touched down in Tehran and that massive
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Speaker 2: redeployment of US warships. This one's interesting. The experts are
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Speaker 2: curious about this. We'll go back. Well, a lot of
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Speaker 2: smiles in the vision, at least out of Tehran. The
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Speaker 2: Iranian women's national football team returning home after it's Australian tour.
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Speaker 2: It follows that most players either declined or reversed their
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Speaker 2: asylum offers. We have now just too, choosing to remain
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Speaker 2: in Australia here to discuss this and a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of global issues. Our International panel SCANNI is contributed to
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada, the former Labor and p Michael Danby. We
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Speaker 2: would expect this sort of propaganda vision kosher. What worries
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Speaker 2: me is when the cameras are turned off and the
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Speaker 2: world moves on to another issue, what happens to these
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Speaker 2: women and their families.
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Speaker 8: And how much of it will even find out? It's
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Speaker 8: often sometimes a black hole just when you're in there.
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Speaker 8: In terms of information, I think everybody's very skeptical of
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Speaker 8: those images for obvious reasons. We know what the regime
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Speaker 8: is lake just the U turn where you're granted assail
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Speaker 8: them after all that course, treating that happened politically, and
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Speaker 8: then you decline it. Reporting is that their families were threatened.
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Speaker 8: That's certainly believable, and time will tell if we're lucky
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Speaker 8: enough to find out what happens to them, and I
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Speaker 8: hope that they're lucky enough to not feast any more
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Speaker 8: brutality when they get back.
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Speaker 2: The USS Tripoli it's been spotted. Why is this of interest?
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Speaker 14: The US may helicopter assault with the twenty five hundred
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Speaker 14: marines on the Tripoli carg Island, which is where ninety
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Speaker 14: percent of Iran's oil exports come from. Now General Raisin
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Speaker 14: Kane has been very careful to destroy all of the
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Speaker 14: air and sea defenses of Harg Island, but left the
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Speaker 14: oil infrastructure intact, so if the Marines were to seize
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Speaker 14: control of that island, they could switch the oil off
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Speaker 14: without damaging the infrastructure and say to Iran and China,
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Speaker 14: no exports or money for you unless all the ships
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Speaker 14: transit through.
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Speaker 2: And of course, the fact that it is the Marines
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Speaker 2: on the deck, it's an expeditionary force that is very telling.
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Speaker 14: Very capable people and helicopter assault. These don't have to
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Speaker 14: go in by boats, so they wouldn't be hit by
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Speaker 14: mines and other missiles.
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Speaker 13: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: I'll just say for people at home, so that the
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Speaker 2: Marines in the United States sense, we don't have an equivalent,
45:03
Speaker 2: but it's sort of their special forces. So the fact
45:05
Speaker 2: that it is Marines on that ship tells us a
45:08
Speaker 2: lot gas attacks. This is the gas field in Iran.
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Speaker 2: And comments made by the President on truth social I
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Speaker 2: think this one's for you, Michael, what's that tell us
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Speaker 2: as well?
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Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 14: It was coordinated, but the Americans have determined to preserve
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Speaker 14: much of Qatar and the Gulf Arabs oil infrastructure as possible.
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Speaker 14: So look, he said, the Israelis are upset because the
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Speaker 14: Iranians had cluster bombed Tel Aviv and to all people
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Speaker 14: in their seventies couldn't get down from the fourth floor
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Speaker 14: and were guilt. We have to be less emotional about this,
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Speaker 14: and he says it won't happen again.
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Speaker 2: Sadly, collateral damage in war. You want to minimize it
45:57
Speaker 2: where you can. That's the nature of the beast to
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Speaker 2: take from both of you. Actually, all those Golf states
46:03
Speaker 2: coming out initially critical of the movie in Iran by
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Speaker 2: the president now say you've got to finish the job.
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Speaker 2: How do you wait that?
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Speaker 14: Michael I waited very strongly because the president obviously has
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Speaker 14: great contacts there and went around the Gulf at the
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Speaker 14: beginning of his term, and he I think he values
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Speaker 14: them more than Kirstarma, Emmanuel Macron and sadly, Councilor Mertz
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Speaker 14: who seems to have said he won't even provide mind
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Speaker 14: sweepers for this. I think it would be in Germany's interests.
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Speaker 14: The fact that they're not is counterproductive to their own interests.
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Speaker 14: I mean, who does the oil go to in the
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Speaker 14: ln G if not to the Europeans.
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Speaker 2: The same could be said in Australia.
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Speaker 8: Kosher your thoughts, Yes, I think their approach of being
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Speaker 8: critical at first with supportive now is reflective of a
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Speaker 8: lot of people who remain till this deed is unpopular
46:54
Speaker 8: or certainly controversial. The cost benefit analysis was not compellingly
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Speaker 8: made and the minds of many, but once they went in,
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Speaker 8: even if you didn't support the decision, people wanted to
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Speaker 8: be successful and finish the job, whatever that means. I
47:06
Speaker 8: do think that there isn't clarity on what that means
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Speaker 8: when you talk to different people.
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Speaker 2: Those guys that's of course in their backyard, those nitions.
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Speaker 8: Trump was really doing something different with that region, the
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Speaker 8: multitrillion dollar investments that were coming in and all the
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Speaker 8: rest of that. So I think it's in everybody's interest
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Speaker 8: to have stability, but they certainly are concerned because bombs
47:23
Speaker 8: are flying right over their help.
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Speaker 2: I have sympathy for modern leaders, though, how do you
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Speaker 2: tell and telegraph to your population. We've got to go
47:31
Speaker 2: in and hit ARAHM. I've got to hit them hard.
47:33
Speaker 2: And here's well, we've got to hit them. You can't
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Speaker 2: say that often enough that they all get it. It
47:38
Speaker 2: used to be that you could fight the Nazis, and
47:40
Speaker 2: it was embedded in the way people thought about their
47:42
Speaker 2: values and their country that they would understand why. And nowadays, Michael,
47:46
Speaker 2: we've got young people marching against the defeat of the Ayatola.
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Speaker 2: They're voting for Ahmas and marching for Hezbalah. They're questioning,
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Speaker 2: as we saw with Grace, tame the rapes and the
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Speaker 2: degradation of Israeli women by hamas the world's topsy turvy
48:03
Speaker 2: on the West.
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Speaker 14: But Americans like success, and the polling shows that ninety
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Speaker 14: percent of Mega Republicans support the war. So it's different
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Speaker 14: than Crakosi's point. If it stays successful, if they, for instance,
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Speaker 14: take Cargoland, switch off the oil and get the ships
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Speaker 14: through without boots on the ground substantially in Iran, I
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Speaker 14: think that would be success.
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Speaker 2: To this point, the resignation of Joe kenn because it
48:34
Speaker 2: seems like that particularly his language against Israel and the
48:38
Speaker 2: Jewish lobby driving the president to do this, was playing
48:41
Speaker 2: into Tucker Carlson and others on the megaside.
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Speaker 8: It's a big issue and even if they support the
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Speaker 8: wars up on what Michael said, they do not support
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Speaker 8: the decision fully. And when you look at Pouling, that
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Speaker 8: gets into why this was whe was it for regime change.
48:52
Speaker 8: Was it to securely oil or was it to weaken China?
48:55
Speaker 8: Was it for humanitarian reasons? Then you start to actually
48:56
Speaker 8: see a freeing and the poll just because people don't
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Speaker 8: really know what the true was in the MAGA camp
49:01
Speaker 8: certainly also the Independence and the Democrats.
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Speaker 2: So he, i think, is another that's giving.
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Speaker 8: Voice to that faction. It is a real faction, a
49:08
Speaker 8: sizable faction across the electorate, certainly under younger people under
49:11
Speaker 8: the age of forty five. And he's a very credible
49:13
Speaker 8: figure because he's not just a podcaster. He is somebody
49:16
Speaker 8: who served his country honorably eleven times.
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Speaker 2: His wife was killed in.
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Speaker 8: Action in the Middle East, so he does bring a
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Speaker 8: certain credibility to it. And it did create a little
49:24
Speaker 8: bit of a firestorm for the administration to clean up.
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Speaker 2: It did. Just a quick comment Featherman's comments about Australia,
49:29
Speaker 2: Wow to do more. Wow is a Democrat.
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Speaker 13: He's a Democrat.
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Speaker 14: I don't think he has a lot of influence in
49:34
Speaker 14: the Democratic Party and fortunately which seems to have gone,
49:38
Speaker 14: like our Labor Party, very much to the left.
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Speaker 13: But uh, it's a worry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we're noticed in a bad way.
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Speaker 13: Oh, we don't be noticed like that.
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Speaker 2: I'll over there, thank you very much. Have a lovely
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Speaker 2: weekend everyone at home. I'll see you all on Monday.
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Speaker 2: Up next though, and you back