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Kosher Meat, Recovery & Mindful Bathing with Jason Wachtelhausen · onefjef

• 0:01
  Hey,
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  Jeff,
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  it's
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  me.
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  I
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  think
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  I
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  was
• 0:04
  inspired
• 0:04
  by
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  your
• 0:05
  podcast
• 0:06
  to
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  talk
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  to
• 0:07
  you,
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  but
• 0:09
  I'm
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  on
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  my
• 0:09
  way
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  to
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  an
• 0:10
  event,
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  so.
• 0:12
  This
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  is
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  the
• 0:12
  next
• 0:12
  best
• 0:13
  thing.
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  Maybe.
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  Anyway,
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  I
• 0:15
  finally
• 0:15
  listened
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  to
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  your
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  second
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  episode
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  of
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  your
• 0:17
  podcast
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  and
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  I
• 0:20
  thought
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  it
• 0:20
  was
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  interesting.
• 0:22
  That
• 0:22
  Chris
• 0:23
  Casey
• 0:23
  guy
• 0:23
  is
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  a
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  real
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  hoot
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  and
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  quite
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  into
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  the
• 0:29
  mind
• 0:29
  body
• 0:30
  energy
• 0:30
  situation,
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  which
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  I've
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  been
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  thinking
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  and
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  I
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  can
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  tell
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  you
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  more
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  about
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  that
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  soon.
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  Anyway,
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  what
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  tell
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  you
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  is
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  you're
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  my
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  first
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  friend
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  ever
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  to
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  tell
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  me
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  that
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  you
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  love
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  me,
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  and
• 0:41
  you
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  mentioned
• 0:42
  that
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  in
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  the
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  podcast
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  and
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  that's
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  something
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  I
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  always
• 0:44
  think
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  about
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  and
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  tell
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  people.
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  So
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  I
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  thought
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  it
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  was
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  cool
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  to
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  hear
• 0:46
  you
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  talk
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  about
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  it.
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  Love
• 0:48
  you.
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  Bye.
• 0:51
  This
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  is
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  the
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  third
• 0:53
  episode
• 0:53
  of
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  1F,
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  Jeff.
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  The
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  number
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  three
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  odd
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  prime
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  number.
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  Many
• 0:59
  cultures
• 0:59
  consider
• 1:00
  it
• 1:00
  a
• 1:00
  symbol
• 1:00
  of
• 1:00
  harmony
• 1:01
  and
• 1:01
  balance.
• 1:02
  It
• 1:02
  also
• 1:03
  appears
• 1:03
  frequently
• 1:03
  in
• 1:04
  nature,
• 1:04
  such
• 1:04
  as
• 1:04
  in
• 1:05
  the
• 1:05
  structure
• 1:05
  of
• 1:05
  triangles.
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  About
• 1:06
  a
• 1:07
  month
• 1:07
  or
• 1:07
  two
• 1:07
  ago,
• 1:07
  I
• 1:07
  was
• 1:07
  hanging
• 1:08
  out
• 1:08
  at
• 1:08
  a
• 1:08
  local
• 1:08
  bar
• 1:09
  right
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  down
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  the
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  street
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  from
• 1:10
  me
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  here
• 1:10
  in
• 1:10
  Columbus,
• 1:11
  Ohio,
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  called
• 1:12
  Dick's
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  Den.
• 1:13
  Dick's
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  Den
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  is
• 1:14
  this
• 1:14
  iconic
• 1:15
  little
• 1:15
  dive
• 1:15
  bar
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  in
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  Columbus
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  that's
• 1:16
  known
• 1:16
  for
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  its
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  live
• 1:17
  jazz
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  and
• 1:18
  bluegrass.
• 1:18
  It's
• 1:19
  got
• 1:19
  really
• 1:19
  cozy
• 1:20
  wood
• 1:20
  paneled
• 1:20
  interior.
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  And
• 1:21
  a
• 1:21
  great
• 1:22
  selection
• 1:22
  of
• 1:22
  drinks.
• 1:22
  There's
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  a
• 1:23
  neon
• 1:23
  sign
• 1:23
  in
• 1:23
  the
• 1:24
  window
• 1:24
  of
• 1:24
  Dick's
• 1:24
  Den
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  that
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  says
• 1:25
  wine.
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  Why
• 1:26
  not?
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  I
• 1:27
  love
• 1:27
  that.
• 1:28
  Today's
• 1:29
  guest
• 1:29
  is
• 1:29
  Jason
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  Wachtelhausen.
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  Unze
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  hoity
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  gagast
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  is
• 1:34
  Jason
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  Wachtelhausen.
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  I
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  was
• 1:36
  standing
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  out
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  in
• 1:36
  the
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  patio
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  talking
• 1:37
  to
• 1:37
  a
• 1:37
  friend
• 1:37
  of
• 1:37
  mine
• 1:38
  when
• 1:38
  I
• 1:38
  turned
• 1:38
  around
• 1:38
  and
• 1:39
  saw
• 1:39
  this
• 1:39
  guy
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  dressed
• 1:40
  like
• 1:40
  a
• 1:40
  rock
• 1:41
  star
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  smoking
• 1:42
  a
• 1:42
  cigarette.
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  So
• 1:43
  I
• 1:43
  said,
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  where'd
• 1:43
  you
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  come
• 1:44
  from?
• 1:44
  And
• 1:44
  he's
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  like,
• 1:45
  from
• 1:45
  work,
• 1:45
  man.
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  I'm
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  a
• 1:46
  butcher.
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  And
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  I
• 1:47
  was
• 1:47
  like,
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  oh,
• 1:48
  my
• 1:48
  uncle
• 1:48
  was
• 1:48
  a
• 1:49
  butcher.
• 1:50
  So
• 1:50
  we
• 1:50
  got
• 1:50
  to
• 1:50
  talking
• 1:51
  and.
• 1:51
  And
• 1:51
  I
• 1:51
  quickly
• 1:52
  realized
• 1:52
  that
• 1:52
  I'd
• 1:52
  stumbled
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  upon
• 1:53
  one
• 1:53
  of
• 1:53
  the
• 1:53
  more
• 1:54
  interesting
• 1:54
  humans
• 1:54
  here
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  in
• 1:55
  Columbus,
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  Ohio.
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  Jason
• 1:56
  Wachtlehausen
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  is
• 1:57
  a
• 1:57
  writer
• 1:57
  and
• 1:58
  artist
• 1:58
  based
• 1:58
  in
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  Columbus,
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  Ohio.
• 2:00
  He's
• 2:00
  contributed
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  to
• 2:01
  magazines
• 2:01
  like
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  Wired
• 2:02
  and
• 2:02
  Ready
• 2:03
  Made.
• 2:03
  He's
• 2:03
  a
• 2:03
  whole
• 2:03
  animal
• 2:04
  butcher
• 2:04
  and
• 2:05
  he's
• 2:05
  also
• 2:05
  a
• 2:05
  musician.
• 2:06
  I
• 2:06
  feel
• 2:06
  like
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  I
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  could
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  do
• 2:07
  four
• 2:07
  or
• 2:07
  five
• 2:07
  podcasts
• 2:08
  with
• 2:08
  Jason
• 2:08
  and
• 2:08
  he'd
• 2:09
  still
• 2:09
  have
• 2:09
  more
• 2:09
  to
• 2:09
  tell.
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  But
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  I'm
• 2:11
  grateful
• 2:11
  that
• 2:11
  he
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  was
• 2:12
  willing
• 2:12
  to
• 2:12
  sit
• 2:13
  down
• 2:13
  and
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  share
• 2:14
  some
• 2:14
  of
• 2:14
  his
• 2:15
  story
• 2:15
  with
• 2:15
  me
• 2:16
  and
• 2:16
  with
• 2:17
  you.
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  Again,
• 2:18
  I
• 2:18
  hope
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  that
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  you
• 2:19
  enjoy
• 2:19
  listening
• 2:19
  to
• 2:20
  this
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  as
• 2:20
  much
• 2:20
  as
• 2:20
  I've
• 2:21
  enjoyed
• 2:21
  making
• 2:21
  it.
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  Thank
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  you
• 2:23
  for
• 2:23
  listening.
• 2:24
  Thank
• 2:25
  you
• 2:25
  for
• 2:25
  being
• 2:25
  here.
• 2:27
  Here's
• 2:27
  Jason.
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  How
• 2:30
  was
• 2:30
  that
• 2:30
  concert
• 2:31
  last
• 2:31
  night?
• 2:31
  Was
• 2:31
  it
• 2:31
  good?
• 2:32
  It
• 2:32
  was
• 2:32
  Great.
• 2:33
  Yeah,
• 2:34
  yeah,
• 2:34
  it
• 2:34
  was
• 2:34
  definitely
• 2:35
  a
• 2:35
  good
• 2:35
  show.
• 2:35
  Are
• 2:35
  they
• 2:36
  like,
• 2:36
  old
• 2:36
  punk
• 2:36
  rockers?
• 2:37
  They're
• 2:38
  up
• 2:38
  there
• 2:38
  with
• 2:38
  the
• 2:38
  very
• 2:39
  oldest.
• 2:39
  They
• 2:39
  are,
• 2:40
  you
• 2:40
  know,
• 2:41
  icons,
• 2:42
  you
• 2:42
  know,
• 2:42
  originators
• 2:43
  of
• 2:43
  the
• 2:43
  punk
• 2:44
  sound.
• 2:44
  How
• 2:44
  old
• 2:44
  are
• 2:45
  they
• 2:45
  now?
• 2:46
  Older
• 2:46
  than
• 2:46
  me.
• 2:49
  So,
• 2:50
  Jason,
• 2:51
  what's
• 2:51
  your
• 2:51
  last
• 2:51
  name?
• 2:51
  I
• 2:52
  don't
• 2:52
  even
• 2:52
  know
• 2:52
  your
• 2:52
  last
• 2:52
  name.
• 2:52
  My
• 2:53
  full
• 2:53
  name
• 2:53
  is
• 2:53
  Jason
• 2:54
  Norvane
• 2:55
  Voctelhausen.
• 2:56
  My
• 2:56
  father's
• 2:56
  from
• 2:57
  Germany.
• 2:57
  Right.
• 2:58
  And
• 2:59
  my
• 2:59
  mom's
• 3:00
  from
• 3:00
  Jamaica.
• 3:00
  Oh,
• 3:01
  interesting.
• 3:02
  My
• 3:02
  father
• 3:03
  grew
• 3:03
  up
• 3:03
  here,
• 3:03
  you
• 3:03
  know,
• 3:03
  since
• 3:04
  he
• 3:04
  was
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  baby
• 3:04
  in
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  United
• 3:05
  States.
• 3:06
  And
• 3:07
  he
• 3:08
  loved
• 3:08
  black
• 3:08
  culture.
• 3:09
  Okay.
• 3:09
  He
• 3:10
  was
• 3:10
  very
• 3:10
  interested
• 3:11
  in
• 3:11
  it
• 3:11
  and
• 3:12
  impressed
• 3:12
  by
• 3:12
  it
• 3:12
  or
• 3:13
  something
• 3:13
  like
• 3:13
  that.
• 3:14
  And
• 3:15
  my
• 3:16
  mom
• 3:16
  was
• 3:16
  just
• 3:16
  like
• 3:16
  a
• 3:17
  Jamaican
• 3:18
  hippie
• 3:19
  chick,
• 3:19
  and
• 3:22
  somehow
• 3:22
  they
• 3:22
  got
• 3:23
  together
• 3:23
  and
• 3:24
  now
• 3:24
  everyone
• 3:24
  thinks
• 3:25
  I'm
• 3:25
  Dominican
• 3:25
  when
• 3:26
  they
• 3:26
  look
• 3:26
  at
• 3:26
  me.
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  didn't
• 3:27
  think
• 3:27
  you
• 3:27
  were
• 3:27
  Dominican.
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  had
• 3:28
  no
• 3:28
  idea.
• 3:28
  Well,
• 3:28
  in
• 3:28
  New
• 3:29
  York.
• 3:29
  Everyone
• 3:29
  does
• 3:29
  in
• 3:29
  New
• 3:30
  York,
• 3:30
  for
• 3:30
  sure.
• 3:30
  Yeah,
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  could
• 3:31
  see
• 3:31
  that.
• 3:31
  So
• 3:32
  you
• 3:32
  were
• 3:32
  born
• 3:32
  in
• 3:32
  New
• 3:32
  York?
• 3:33
  No,
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  was
• 3:34
  born
• 3:34
  in
• 3:34
  Philadelphia.
• 3:34
  Brothers
• 3:35
  or
• 3:35
  sisters?
• 3:36
  Yes,
• 3:37
  I
• 3:37
  had
• 3:37
  five
• 3:38
  foster
• 3:38
  brothers
• 3:39
  and
• 3:39
  sisters.
• 3:39
  Okay.
• 3:40
  Wow.
• 3:40
  And
• 3:42
  my
• 3:42
  brother.
• 3:43
  Brother.
• 3:44
  Your
• 3:44
  real
• 3:44
  brother
• 3:44
  and
• 3:45
  I.
• 3:45
  Yeah.
• 3:46
  My
• 3:46
  father
• 3:47
  ended
• 3:47
  up
• 3:48
  in
• 3:48
  the
• 3:49
  Navy
• 3:50
  and
• 3:51
  during
• 3:51
  Vietnam.
• 3:52
  Okay.
• 3:52
  A
• 3:52
  bunch
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  weird
• 3:53
  there
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  won't
• 3:53
  get
• 3:54
  into,
• 3:54
  but
• 3:55
  there's
• 3:56
  some
• 3:56
  bar
• 3:56
  that,
• 3:57
  when
• 3:57
  they
• 3:57
  were
• 3:58
  in
• 3:58
  port
• 3:58
  or
• 3:59
  whatever
• 3:59
  you
• 3:59
  call
• 3:59
  it,
• 3:59
  and
• 4:00
  my
• 4:00
  mom
• 4:00
  was
• 4:01
  like
• 4:01
  a
• 4:02
  bar
• 4:03
  chick
• 4:03
  around
• 4:03
  there,
• 4:04
  played
• 4:04
  pool
• 4:05
  and.
• 4:05
  Okay.
• 4:06
  Drank
• 4:06
  beers,
• 4:07
  costumes.
• 4:09
  And
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  remember
• 4:10
  when
• 4:11
  her
• 4:11
  telling
• 4:11
  me
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  story,
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  she
• 4:13
  said,
• 4:14
  jason,
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  know,
• 4:15
  that
• 4:15
  first
• 4:15
  night
• 4:16
  when
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  met
• 4:16
  him,
• 4:17
  it
• 4:17
  was
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  most
• 4:18
  magical
• 4:18
  night
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  my
• 4:19
  life.
• 4:19
  It
• 4:19
  was
• 4:19
  so
• 4:19
  wonderful.
• 4:20
  And
• 4:21
  then
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  felt
• 4:22
  like
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  wrecked
• 4:23
  everything
• 4:23
  because
• 4:24
  I
• 4:24
  fucked
• 4:24
  him.
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  knew
• 4:25
  I
• 4:26
  shouldn't
• 4:26
  have
• 4:27
  done
• 4:27
  that
• 4:28
  because
• 4:28
  guys,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:29
  know,
• 4:29
  they're
• 4:29
  never
• 4:29
  going
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  come
• 4:30
  back.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  then
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  next
• 4:31
  time
• 4:32
  he
• 4:32
  came
• 4:32
  back
• 4:32
  around,
• 4:32
  he
• 4:33
  did
• 4:33
  come
• 4:33
  back,
• 4:34
  and
• 4:35
  they
• 4:36
  ended
• 4:36
  up
• 4:37
  being
• 4:37
  in
• 4:37
  love.
• 4:37
  Right.
• 4:38
  How
• 4:38
  long
• 4:39
  were
• 4:39
  they
• 4:39
  married?
• 4:39
  Were
• 4:39
  they
• 4:39
  married
• 4:39
  forever?
• 4:40
  Yes.
• 4:41
  Well,
• 4:41
  until
• 4:41
  my
• 4:42
  father
• 4:42
  died.
• 4:43
  They
• 4:43
  both
• 4:43
  wanted
• 4:43
  to
• 4:44
  have
• 4:44
  kids
• 4:44
  and
• 4:45
  they
• 4:46
  tried
• 4:46
  for
• 4:47
  forever
• 4:47
  to
• 4:48
  have
• 4:48
  children,
• 4:48
  and
• 4:48
  it
• 4:48
  just
• 4:49
  wasn't
• 4:49
  working.
• 4:49
  Okay.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:50
  with
• 4:51
  doctors
• 4:51
  several
• 4:51
  times,
• 4:52
  and
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  doctor
• 4:52
  said,
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  know,
• 4:53
  you.
• 4:55
  There's
• 4:56
  nothing
• 4:56
  wrong
• 4:56
  with
• 4:56
  you.
• 4:57
  With
• 4:57
  either
• 4:57
  of
• 4:57
  you.
• 4:57
  Yeah.
• 4:58
  It's
• 4:58
  just,
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  know,
• 4:58
  not
• 4:59
  happening.
• 4:59
  Whatever.
• 5:00
  So
• 5:00
  just
• 5:00
  keep
• 5:00
  trying.
• 5:00
  And.
• 5:01
  But
• 5:01
  eventually
• 5:02
  they
• 5:03
  took
• 5:03
  in
• 5:03
  some
• 5:04
  foster
• 5:04
  kids
• 5:05
  and
• 5:06
  were
• 5:06
  raising
• 5:07
  them
• 5:07
  as
• 5:07
  their
• 5:07
  children,
• 5:07
  and
• 5:08
  they
• 5:08
  actually
• 5:08
  wanted
• 5:08
  to
• 5:09
  adopt
• 5:09
  those
• 5:09
  kids,
• 5:09
  but
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  father
• 5:11
  wouldn't
• 5:11
  allow
• 5:12
  them
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  be
• 5:12
  adopted
• 5:13
  because
• 5:13
  he
• 5:13
  didn't
• 5:13
  want
• 5:13
  his
• 5:14
  kids
• 5:14
  being
• 5:14
  raised
• 5:14
  by
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  white
• 5:15
  guy.
• 5:16
  Oh,
• 5:16
  interesting.
• 5:17
  Different
• 5:17
  times.
• 5:17
  Different
• 5:18
  times,
• 5:19
  yeah.
• 5:19
  So
• 5:20
  then
• 5:20
  all
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  sudden,
• 5:21
  out
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  blue,
• 5:22
  my
• 5:22
  mom
• 5:22
  gets
• 5:22
  pregnant
• 5:23
  with
• 5:23
  Me.
• 5:23
  And
• 5:25
  one
• 5:25
  year
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  six
• 5:26
  months
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  day
• 5:27
  later,
• 5:28
  she
• 5:28
  gives
• 5:28
  birth
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  my
• 5:29
  brother.
• 5:30
  June
• 5:31
  16th
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  December
• 5:32
  16th.
• 5:33
  So
• 5:33
  with
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  five
• 5:34
  foster
• 5:34
  kids
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  two
• 5:36
  of
• 5:36
  us,
• 5:37
  it
• 5:37
  had
• 5:37
  been
• 5:37
  a
• 5:37
  really
• 5:38
  long
• 5:38
  time
• 5:38
  since
• 5:38
  they'd
• 5:38
  been
• 5:39
  on
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  date.
• 5:39
  One
• 5:39
  night
• 5:40
  Ray
• 5:40
  Charles
• 5:40
  was
• 5:40
  playing
• 5:41
  at
• 5:41
  this
• 5:41
  dinner
• 5:42
  theater.
• 5:42
  They
• 5:42
  both
• 5:42
  loved
• 5:43
  Ray
• 5:43
  Charles.
• 5:43
  Sure,
• 5:44
  who
• 5:44
  doesn't,
• 5:45
  right?
• 5:45
  So
• 5:46
  they
• 5:46
  said,
• 5:46
  fuck
• 5:46
  it,
• 5:46
  we're
• 5:47
  gonna
• 5:47
  get
• 5:47
  a
• 5:47
  babysitter
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  watch
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  kids
• 5:48
  that
• 5:49
  we're
• 5:49
  go.
• 5:49
  It's
• 5:50
  this
• 5:50
  girl
• 5:50
  who's
• 5:50
  babysitted
• 5:51
  satisfied.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:54
  she
• 5:54
  was
• 5:55
  incredibly
• 5:55
  mean.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:57
  as
• 5:57
  soon
• 5:58
  as
• 5:58
  they
• 5:58
  leave,
• 5:59
  she
• 5:59
  starts
• 6:00
  putting
• 6:00
  on
• 6:00
  makeup
• 6:00
  and
• 6:01
  it's
• 6:01
  like,
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  kids
• 6:01
  better
• 6:02
  be
• 6:02
  good.
• 6:02
  I'll
• 6:02
  be
• 6:02
  back
• 6:02
  in
• 6:03
  about
• 6:03
  five
• 6:03
  hours
• 6:03
  or
• 6:04
  something
• 6:04
  like
• 6:04
  that.
• 6:05
  As
• 6:06
  she's
• 6:06
  walking
• 6:06
  out,
• 6:07
  her
• 6:07
  older
• 6:07
  brother,
• 6:09
  they
• 6:09
  lived
• 6:10
  right
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  house
• 6:10
  next
• 6:11
  door.
• 6:11
  Yeah.
• 6:11
  Is
• 6:11
  like
• 6:12
  coming
• 6:12
  out
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  confronts
• 6:14
  her
• 6:14
  about
• 6:14
  it
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  she's
• 6:15
  adamant
• 6:15
  and
• 6:15
  she
• 6:16
  leaves.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:16
  he
• 6:18
  decides
• 6:19
  he's
• 6:19
  going
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  take
• 6:19
  over
• 6:20
  for
• 6:20
  her
• 6:20
  and
• 6:21
  stay.
• 6:22
  Anyway,
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  night
• 6:24
  the
• 6:25
  twins
• 6:26
  were
• 6:26
  playing
• 6:27
  with
• 6:27
  matches
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  they
• 6:28
  were
• 6:28
  burning
• 6:29
  little
• 6:29
  pieces
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  paper
• 6:30
  and
• 6:30
  they
• 6:30
  were
• 6:30
  hiding
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  paper
• 6:31
  inside
• 6:31
  this
• 6:31
  cracker
• 6:32
  box
• 6:32
  that
• 6:32
  they'd
• 6:32
  eaten
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  whole
• 6:33
  thing
• 6:33
  of.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  we
• 6:35
  were
• 6:35
  pretty
• 6:36
  poor
• 6:36
  at
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  time,
• 6:37
  right?
• 6:37
  That
• 6:38
  was
• 6:38
  a
• 6:38
  big
• 6:38
  deal.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:40
  they
• 6:40
  hid
• 6:40
  all
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  evidence
• 6:41
  under
• 6:41
  my
• 6:41
  parents
• 6:42
  bed.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:43
  the
• 6:45
  box
• 6:46
  started
• 6:46
  to
• 6:46
  burn,
• 6:46
  right.
• 6:48
  And
• 6:49
  anyway,
• 6:49
  the
• 6:50
  house
• 6:50
  caught
• 6:50
  on
• 6:50
  fire.
• 6:50
  The
• 6:51
  find
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  fire
• 6:51
  was
• 6:52
  like,
• 6:53
  you
• 6:54
  know,
• 6:54
  like
• 6:54
  caught
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  next
• 6:55
  two
• 6:55
  row
• 6:55
  houses
• 6:56
  on
• 6:56
  fire
• 6:56
  as
• 6:57
  well.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  mean
• 6:58
  it
• 6:58
  was.
• 6:58
  We
• 6:58
  lost
• 6:59
  everything.
• 7:00
  Everything.
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  remember
• 7:01
  this
• 7:02
  so
• 7:02
  clearly.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:03
  like
• 7:03
  remember
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  dream
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  was
• 7:04
  having.
• 7:04
  I
• 7:05
  was
• 7:05
  asleep
• 7:05
  on
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  couch
• 7:06
  downstairs
• 7:07
  right
• 7:07
  by
• 7:07
  the
• 7:08
  front
• 7:08
  door.
• 7:09
  And
• 7:09
  this
• 7:10
  sort
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  looked
• 7:11
  like
• 7:11
  an
• 7:11
  alien
• 7:11
  or
• 7:11
  something
• 7:11
  like
• 7:11
  that.
• 7:12
  It
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  a
• 7:12
  fireman
• 7:13
  picked
• 7:13
  me
• 7:14
  up
• 7:14
  off
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  couch,
• 7:14
  took
• 7:15
  me
• 7:15
  outside,
• 7:15
  sat
• 7:16
  me
• 7:16
  on
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  sidewalk
• 7:16
  and
• 7:17
  ran
• 7:17
  back
• 7:17
  inside.
• 7:17
  And
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  was
• 7:18
  like.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  don't
• 7:19
  know
• 7:19
  if
• 7:19
  you
• 7:19
  remember.
• 7:20
  Time
• 7:20
  Bandits.
• 7:21
  Yeah,
• 7:21
  yeah.
• 7:21
  Okay,
• 7:22
  so
• 7:22
  that
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  end,
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  very
• 7:25
  end
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  film
• 7:25
  when
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  guy's
• 7:26
  kids
• 7:26
  parents
• 7:27
  blow
• 7:27
  up
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  all
• 7:27
  the
• 7:28
  fire
• 7:28
  trucks
• 7:28
  are
• 7:28
  going
• 7:29
  by.
• 7:29
  Sure.
• 7:29
  It
• 7:30
  feels
• 7:31
  so
• 7:31
  much
• 7:31
  like
• 7:31
  exactly
• 7:32
  like
• 7:32
  how
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  thought
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  was
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  my
• 7:33
  footy
• 7:33
  pajamas
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  everything
• 7:34
  like
• 7:34
  that.
• 7:35
  And
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  had
• 7:37
  no
• 7:38
  idea
• 7:38
  what
• 7:38
  was
• 7:38
  going
• 7:39
  on.
• 7:40
  And
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  saw
• 7:40
  we
• 7:41
  had
• 7:41
  this
• 7:41
  white
• 7:41
  Toyota
• 7:42
  hatchback
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  like
• 7:44
  skidded
• 7:44
  around
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  corner
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  like,
• 7:47
  you
• 7:47
  know,
• 7:47
  you
• 7:47
  could
• 7:47
  hear
• 7:47
  it
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  everything,
• 7:48
  like
• 7:49
  show
• 7:49
  on
• 7:50
  tv.
• 7:50
  I
• 7:50
  felt
• 7:50
  like.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:52
  it
• 7:52
  like
• 7:52
  screeched
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  a
• 7:53
  halt.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:53
  before
• 7:54
  it
• 7:54
  was
• 7:54
  even
• 7:54
  totally
• 7:54
  stopped,
• 7:55
  my
• 7:55
  mom's
• 7:56
  door
• 7:56
  opened
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  she
• 7:57
  like
• 7:57
  jumped
• 7:57
  out
• 7:57
  of
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  car
• 7:58
  and
• 7:59
  boom,
• 8:00
  just
• 8:00
  like
• 8:00
  straight
• 8:01
  landed
• 8:01
  on
• 8:01
  the
• 8:02
  concrete,
• 8:02
  completely
• 8:03
  passed
• 8:03
  out.
• 8:04
  My
• 8:05
  dad
• 8:05
  jumped
• 8:06
  out
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  car
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  ran
• 8:08
  straight
• 8:08
  towards
• 8:09
  the
• 8:09
  door
• 8:10
  and
• 8:10
  almost
• 8:11
  got
• 8:11
  like,
• 8:11
  in
• 8:11
  a
• 8:11
  physical
• 8:12
  altercation
• 8:12
  with
• 8:13
  this
• 8:13
  fireman
• 8:13
  that
• 8:14
  was
• 8:14
  there
• 8:15
  trying
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  get
• 8:15
  into
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  house.
• 8:16
  Right.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:18
  as
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  was
• 8:19
  going
• 8:19
  on,
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  dude
• 8:21
  babysitter
• 8:23
  came
• 8:23
  out
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  house
• 8:24
  and
• 8:25
  literally
• 8:26
  his
• 8:26
  sweater,
• 8:26
  his
• 8:27
  hair
• 8:27
  stuff
• 8:28
  was
• 8:28
  smoking.
• 8:29
  And
• 8:29
  he
• 8:29
  had
• 8:29
  my
• 8:30
  little
• 8:30
  brother.
• 8:30
  Jesus
• 8:31
  Christ
• 8:31
  was
• 8:31
  like,
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  know,
• 8:32
  no
• 8:33
  years
• 8:33
  old.
• 8:33
  Right,
• 8:34
  Right.
• 8:34
  And
• 8:35
  I
• 8:35
  always
• 8:36
  think
• 8:36
  about
• 8:36
  if
• 8:36
  that
• 8:37
  girl
• 8:37
  had
• 8:38
  stayed.
• 8:39
  Was
• 8:40
  this
• 8:40
  in
• 8:40
  Philly?
• 8:41
  Yeah.
• 8:41
  Wow.
• 8:42
  So
• 8:42
  what'd
• 8:42
  your
• 8:42
  parents
• 8:42
  do?
• 8:43
  Your
• 8:43
  dad
• 8:43
  was
• 8:43
  in
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  war.
• 8:45
  Yeah.
• 8:45
  He
• 8:45
  continued
• 8:46
  to
• 8:46
  work
• 8:46
  for
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  government
• 8:46
  for
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  rest
• 8:47
  of
• 8:47
  his
• 8:47
  life.
• 8:48
  All
• 8:48
  right.
• 8:49
  And
• 8:49
  your
• 8:49
  mom,
• 8:50
  she
• 8:50
  ran
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  daycare
• 8:51
  out
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  house.
• 8:52
  Sounds
• 8:53
  like
• 8:53
  she
• 8:53
  loved
• 8:53
  for
• 8:53
  years.
• 8:54
  She
• 8:54
  was
• 8:55
  amazing,
• 8:56
  right?
• 8:57
  Really
• 8:57
  amazing
• 8:57
  kids.
• 8:59
  Yeah.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  she
• 9:01
  spanked
• 9:01
  one
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  them
• 9:02
  on
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  legs
• 9:02
  because
• 9:02
  she
• 9:03
  pulled
• 9:03
  a
• 9:03
  knife
• 9:03
  on
• 9:04
  someone
• 9:04
  on
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  school
• 9:05
  bus.
• 9:05
  The
• 9:05
  kid
• 9:06
  did.
• 9:07
  The
• 9:07
  kid,
• 9:07
  right?
• 9:09
  Yeah.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:11
  the
• 9:12
  kid
• 9:12
  called
• 9:12
  the
• 9:12
  cops.
• 9:13
  Mm.
• 9:14
  Can't
• 9:14
  do
• 9:14
  that.
• 9:15
  My
• 9:15
  mom's
• 9:15
  not
• 9:15
  allowed
• 9:16
  loud
• 9:16
  around
• 9:16
  kids
• 9:17
  anymore,
• 9:17
  basically.
• 9:18
  So
• 9:18
  do
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  guys
• 9:19
  get
• 9:19
  along?
• 9:19
  You
• 9:19
  get
• 9:19
  along
• 9:19
  with
• 9:19
  your
• 9:19
  parents?
• 9:20
  My
• 9:20
  dad
• 9:20
  was
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  best
• 9:21
  friend
• 9:21
  I've
• 9:21
  had
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  my
• 9:21
  life.
• 9:21
  No
• 9:22
  kidding.
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  mean,
• 9:22
  I
• 9:23
  love
• 9:23
  that.
• 9:23
  Ever.
• 9:23
  Hands
• 9:24
  down.
• 9:24
  Like,
• 9:25
  it
• 9:25
  was
• 9:26
  weird.
• 9:26
  Like,
• 9:26
  my
• 9:27
  mom
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  my
• 9:27
  little
• 9:28
  brother
• 9:28
  are
• 9:28
  just
• 9:29
  exactly
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
  same.
• 9:30
  Like,
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  exact
• 9:31
  same
• 9:32
  type
• 9:32
  of
• 9:32
  people.
• 9:32
  They're
• 9:32
  both,
• 9:33
  like,
• 9:33
  explosive
• 9:34
  tempers
• 9:35
  and,
• 9:35
  like,
• 9:35
  full
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  love
• 9:36
  and
• 9:37
  just
• 9:38
  fat
• 9:38
  and,
• 9:39
  like,
• 9:40
  wonder
• 9:40
  if
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  big
• 9:41
  balloon
• 9:42
  can
• 9:42
  float
• 9:42
  you
• 9:42
  up.
• 9:43
  Like,
• 9:43
  they
• 9:43
  do
• 9:43
  have
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  lot
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  weird,
• 9:44
  fat,
• 9:45
  weird
• 9:45
  stuff.
• 9:46
  Do
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  get
• 9:47
  along
• 9:47
  with
• 9:47
  them
• 9:47
  or
• 9:47
  not?
• 9:48
  Get
• 9:48
  along
• 9:49
  famously.
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  mean,
• 9:50
  like,
• 9:50
  we.
• 9:50
  I
• 9:51
  mean,
• 9:51
  it's
• 9:51
  that
• 9:52
  sort
• 9:52
  of,
• 9:52
  like,
• 9:52
  opposites
• 9:53
  attract
• 9:53
  thing.
• 9:54
  Right.
• 9:54
  You
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:54
  I
• 9:55
  could
• 9:55
  totally
• 9:55
  understand,
• 9:55
  like,
• 9:55
  why
• 9:56
  my
• 9:56
  dad
• 9:56
  loved
• 9:56
  my
• 9:57
  mom
• 9:57
  and
• 9:57
  why
• 9:57
  I
• 9:58
  understand
• 9:58
  why
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  love
• 9:58
  my
• 9:59
  brother
• 9:59
  so
• 9:59
  much.
• 9:59
  I
• 9:59
  mean,
• 9:59
  he's
• 10:00
  like
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  total
• 10:01
  flip
• 10:01
  side
• 10:02
  of
• 10:02
  what
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  would
• 10:02
  be.
• 10:03
  Where's
• 10:03
  your
• 10:03
  brother
• 10:04
  now?
• 10:04
  Is
• 10:04
  he.
• 10:04
  Is
• 10:05
  he
• 10:05
  around
• 10:05
  here
• 10:05
  or
• 10:05
  is
• 10:05
  he.
• 10:05
  He's
• 10:06
  in
• 10:06
  Vermont.
• 10:06
  Vermont.
• 10:07
  All
• 10:07
  right.
• 10:07
  Yeah.
• 10:08
  All
• 10:08
  right.
• 10:08
  When
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  were
• 10:09
  a
• 10:09
  kid,
• 10:09
  what
• 10:09
  do
• 10:09
  you
• 10:09
  think
• 10:09
  you
• 10:09
  were
• 10:09
  going
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  do
• 10:10
  when
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  got
• 10:10
  older?
• 10:11
  Did
• 10:11
  you
• 10:11
  have
• 10:11
  any
• 10:11
  idea?
• 10:12
  Go
• 10:12
  to
• 10:12
  mit.
• 10:13
  Oh,
• 10:14
  really?
• 10:14
  Yeah.
• 10:15
  That
• 10:15
  was
• 10:15
  since
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  was
• 10:16
  a
• 10:16
  little
• 10:16
  kid.
• 10:16
  That
• 10:17
  was
• 10:17
  what
• 10:17
  I
• 10:18
  wanted
• 10:18
  to
• 10:18
  do.
• 10:18
  To
• 10:18
  do
• 10:18
  what?
• 10:19
  Did
• 10:19
  you
• 10:20
  have
• 10:20
  a
• 10:20
  goal
• 10:20
  after
• 10:20
  that?
• 10:20
  Or
• 10:21
  was
• 10:21
  it
• 10:21
  just
• 10:22
  particle
• 10:22
  physics?
• 10:23
  No
• 10:23
  shit.
• 10:23
  Really
• 10:24
  interested
• 10:24
  in,
• 10:25
  like,
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  idea
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  cern,
• 10:27
  like
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  that
• 10:28
  was,
• 10:28
  like,
• 10:28
  actually
• 10:28
  going
• 10:28
  to
• 10:28
  happen
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  they
• 10:29
  were
• 10:29
  deciding
• 10:30
  where
• 10:30
  it
• 10:30
  was
• 10:30
  going
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  be
• 10:30
  built
• 10:31
  and
• 10:31
  everything
• 10:31
  like
• 10:31
  that.
• 10:32
  That
• 10:32
  was
• 10:32
  in,
• 10:32
  like
• 10:33
  84
• 10:35
  or
• 10:35
  something
• 10:35
  like
• 10:35
  that.
• 10:35
  And
• 10:36
  like,
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  was
• 10:36
  so,
• 10:36
  like,
• 10:37
  up.
• 10:37
  To
• 10:37
  date
• 10:37
  on
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  stuff.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  then
• 10:40
  I
• 10:41
  went
• 10:41
  to
• 10:41
  Canada
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  went
• 10:42
  to
• 10:43
  school
• 10:43
  there.
• 10:43
  Okay.
• 10:44
  School
• 10:45
  in
• 10:45
  Canada
• 10:45
  was
• 10:46
  like,
• 10:46
  something
• 10:46
  like
• 10:46
  in
• 10:46
  that
• 10:47
  summer.
• 10:47
  It's
• 10:47
  like
• 10:48
  by
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  end
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  summer,
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  just
• 10:49
  couldn't
• 10:49
  wait
• 10:49
  for
• 10:50
  school
• 10:50
  to
• 10:50
  start
• 10:50
  again.
• 10:51
  No.
• 10:51
  It
• 10:51
  was
• 10:52
  so
• 10:53
  perfectly
• 10:54
  administered
• 10:55
  and
• 10:56
  so
• 10:56
  many
• 10:56
  sensible
• 10:57
  decisions
• 10:57
  that
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  don't
• 10:58
  see
• 10:58
  here.
• 11:00
  It
• 11:00
  was
• 11:00
  amazing.
• 11:00
  It
• 11:00
  was
• 11:01
  one
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  best
• 11:01
  chapters
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  my
• 11:02
  entire
• 11:02
  life.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  moved
• 11:05
  back
• 11:05
  to
• 11:05
  the
• 11:06
  United
• 11:06
  States,
• 11:07
  ended
• 11:07
  up
• 11:07
  going
• 11:08
  to
• 11:08
  four
• 11:08
  different
• 11:08
  high
• 11:08
  schools.
• 11:10
  Dropped
• 11:10
  out
• 11:10
  when
• 11:10
  I
• 11:11
  was
• 11:11
  in
• 11:11
  11th
• 11:11
  grade.
• 11:11
  I've
• 11:12
  never
• 11:12
  been
• 11:12
  so
• 11:12
  hurt.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  like,
• 11:14
  when
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  lived
• 11:14
  in
• 11:15
  Canada,
• 11:15
  yeah.
• 11:15
  Like
• 11:16
  everyone
• 11:16
  else
• 11:16
  in
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  entire
• 11:17
  world
• 11:17
  until
• 11:18
  recently,
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  thought,
• 11:20
  like,
• 11:20
  oh,
• 11:20
  my
• 11:20
  God,
• 11:20
  I'm
• 11:21
  going
• 11:21
  back
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  America,
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  coolest
• 11:22
  country
• 11:22
  in
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  world,
• 11:23
  where
• 11:23
  everything's
• 11:24
  perfect.
• 11:24
  Imagine
• 11:25
  how
• 11:25
  good
• 11:25
  school
• 11:25
  is
• 11:25
  going
• 11:26
  to
• 11:26
  be
• 11:26
  there.
• 11:27
  And
• 11:27
  it
• 11:27
  was
• 11:27
  the
• 11:28
  best,
• 11:28
  biggest
• 11:29
  letdown.
• 11:29
  Right.
• 11:30
  I've
• 11:30
  ever
• 11:30
  experienced.
• 11:31
  I
• 11:32
  wish
• 11:32
  that
• 11:32
  I
• 11:33
  would
• 11:33
  have
• 11:33
  stuck
• 11:33
  it
• 11:33
  out
• 11:33
  and
• 11:34
  knew,
• 11:34
  obviously,
• 11:34
  what
• 11:35
  I
• 11:35
  know
• 11:35
  now
• 11:35
  that
• 11:36
  you
• 11:36
  do
• 11:36
  that
• 11:37
  for
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  piece
• 11:37
  of
• 11:37
  paper
• 11:38
  and.
• 11:39
  But
• 11:39
  learning,
• 11:40
  you
• 11:40
  know,
• 11:40
  in
• 11:41
  your
• 11:41
  own
• 11:41
  personal
• 11:41
  knowledge
• 11:42
  is
• 11:42
  something
• 11:42
  you
• 11:42
  take
• 11:43
  on
• 11:43
  yourself
• 11:43
  as
• 11:44
  a
• 11:46
  pastime
• 11:46
  or
• 11:47
  whatever
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  hell
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  want
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  call
• 11:47
  it.
• 11:48
  Perspective's
• 11:49
  tricky.
• 11:49
  Yeah.
• 11:50
  So
• 11:50
  you
• 11:50
  drop
• 11:50
  out
• 11:50
  of
• 11:50
  high
• 11:51
  school
• 11:51
  and
• 11:51
  then
• 11:51
  what
• 11:51
  do
• 11:51
  you.
• 11:51
  What
• 11:52
  do
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  end
• 11:52
  up
• 11:52
  doing?
• 11:52
  What
• 11:52
  do
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  end
• 11:53
  up
• 11:53
  doing
• 11:53
  after
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  drop
• 11:54
  out?
• 11:54
  Yeah.
• 11:55
  While
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  was
• 11:55
  trying
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  figure
• 11:56
  that
• 11:56
  out,
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  moved
• 11:56
  into
• 11:59
  a
• 11:59
  Krishna
• 12:00
  temple
• 12:00
  in
• 12:01
  Berkeley.
• 12:01
  No.
• 12:02
  Yeah.
• 12:03
  For
• 12:03
  about
• 12:04
  half
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  year
• 12:04
  or
• 12:04
  something
• 12:05
  like
• 12:05
  that.
• 12:05
  And
• 12:06
  I've
• 12:06
  always
• 12:06
  been
• 12:06
  interested
• 12:07
  in
• 12:07
  religion.
• 12:07
  Okay.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:10
  I'm
• 12:11
  not
• 12:11
  interested
• 12:11
  in
• 12:11
  following
• 12:12
  one.
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  don't.
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  don't
• 12:13
  believe.
• 12:13
  I
• 12:14
  do
• 12:14
  believe
• 12:14
  in
• 12:14
  God.
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  do
• 12:15
  not
• 12:15
  believe
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  the
• 12:16
  idea
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  religion.
• 12:16
  My
• 12:17
  spirituality.
• 12:17
  Not
• 12:18
  sure.
• 12:19
  And.
• 12:21
  But
• 12:21
  I
• 12:22
  find
• 12:22
  that,
• 12:23
  like,
• 12:23
  television
• 12:24
  commercials,
• 12:24
  religion
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  like
• 12:25
  something
• 12:26
  that,
• 12:27
  by
• 12:27
  studying
• 12:28
  it,
• 12:28
  it
• 12:29
  gives
• 12:29
  me
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  lot
• 12:29
  of
• 12:30
  insight
• 12:30
  into
• 12:30
  human
• 12:31
  beings
• 12:31
  in
• 12:32
  general.
• 12:32
  Right.
• 12:33
  And
• 12:33
  so
• 12:33
  I've
• 12:34
  always
• 12:34
  been
• 12:34
  really
• 12:34
  interested
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  it
• 12:35
  for
• 12:35
  that
• 12:35
  reason.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:37
  I
• 12:37
  went
• 12:37
  there,
• 12:37
  and
• 12:37
  the
• 12:38
  guy
• 12:38
  who
• 12:38
  ran
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  place
• 12:38
  was
• 12:38
  called
• 12:39
  Hari
• 12:39
  Balas.
• 12:40
  Awesome
• 12:41
  guy.
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  told
• 12:42
  him
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  was,
• 12:42
  you
• 12:42
  know,
• 12:42
  I'm
• 12:42
  not
• 12:43
  planning
• 12:43
  on
• 12:44
  becoming
• 12:44
  a
• 12:44
  devotee
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  this
• 12:46
  religion
• 12:46
  or
• 12:46
  anything
• 12:46
  like
• 12:46
  that,
• 12:47
  but
• 12:47
  I'd
• 12:47
  love
• 12:47
  to
• 12:47
  live
• 12:47
  here
• 12:48
  and
• 12:48
  I'll,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:48
  take
• 12:49
  it
• 12:49
  seriously,
• 12:49
  work
• 12:49
  with
• 12:49
  you
• 12:50
  guys
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  just
• 12:50
  see
• 12:50
  what
• 12:51
  you,
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  know.
• 12:51
  Sure,
• 12:52
  whatever.
• 12:53
  And
• 12:53
  he
• 12:54
  was
• 12:54
  super
• 12:55
  open
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  it.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:56
  so
• 12:57
  it
• 12:57
  was
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  wonderful
• 12:58
  experience.
• 12:59
  This
• 12:59
  is
• 12:59
  in
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  90s,
• 13:00
  right?
• 13:00
  Earliest,
• 13:01
  early
• 13:02
  90s.
• 13:02
  Yeah.
• 13:03
  But
• 13:04
  I
• 13:04
  tell
• 13:04
  you,
• 13:04
  it
• 13:05
  was
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  California.
• 13:06
  Sure.
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  was
• 13:06
  surprised
• 13:07
  to
• 13:07
  find
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  even
• 13:07
  within
• 13:09
  kind
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  like
• 13:09
  a
• 13:09
  religious
• 13:10
  context
• 13:10
  or
• 13:11
  whatever
• 13:11
  these
• 13:12
  people
• 13:12
  were
• 13:13
  still,
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  was
• 13:14
  more
• 13:14
  important
• 13:14
  to
• 13:14
  them
• 13:15
  what
• 13:15
  other
• 13:15
  people
• 13:15
  thought
• 13:16
  of
• 13:16
  them
• 13:16
  than
• 13:17
  what
• 13:17
  they
• 13:17
  were
• 13:17
  actually
• 13:17
  doing
• 13:18
  with.
• 13:18
  And
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  think
• 13:18
  this
• 13:18
  is
• 13:19
  a
• 13:19
  California
• 13:20
  specific
• 13:20
  thing.
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  feel
• 13:21
  like
• 13:21
  that
• 13:21
  happens
• 13:22
  everywhere.
• 13:22
  It
• 13:22
  happens
• 13:23
  everywhere.
• 13:23
  But
• 13:23
  man,
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  tell
• 13:24
  you,
• 13:24
  it's.
• 13:24
  I've
• 13:25
  experienced
• 13:25
  more
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  it
• 13:26
  in
• 13:26
  California
• 13:26
  than
• 13:26
  anywhere
• 13:27
  else.
• 13:27
  Interesting,
• 13:28
  interesting.
• 13:28
  Did
• 13:29
  you
• 13:29
  become
• 13:29
  a
• 13:29
  follower
• 13:30
  or
• 13:30
  did
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  just
• 13:31
  kind
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  like,
• 13:32
  how
• 13:32
  did
• 13:32
  that.
• 13:32
  You
• 13:33
  know,
• 13:33
  we'd
• 13:35
  wake
• 13:35
  up
• 13:37
  sometime,
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  don't
• 13:39
  know,
• 13:39
  between
• 13:39
  like
• 13:39
  3:30
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  5
• 13:40
  in
• 13:40
  the
• 13:41
  morning
• 13:41
  and
• 13:41
  do
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  bathing
• 13:42
  ritual.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:45
  people
• 13:46
  always
• 13:47
  tried
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  get
• 13:48
  there
• 13:48
  on
• 13:49
  time
• 13:49
  because
• 13:49
  the
• 13:50
  later
• 13:50
  you
• 13:50
  were,
• 13:50
  the
• 13:51
  colder
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  water
• 13:51
  was
• 13:52
  for
• 13:52
  your
• 13:53
  5am
• 13:54
  bathing
• 13:54
  ritual.
• 13:55
  What
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  bathing
• 13:55
  ritual
• 13:56
  is
• 13:56
  it
• 13:56
  just
• 13:56
  you
• 13:56
  take
• 13:56
  a
• 13:57
  bath
• 13:57
  or.
• 13:58
  So
• 13:59
  I
• 14:00
  think
• 14:00
  like
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  lot
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  religions,
• 14:02
  there's
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  lot
• 14:02
  of
• 14:03
  ritualistic
• 14:04
  that
• 14:04
  happens
• 14:05
  here.
• 14:06
  There's
• 14:06
  not
• 14:06
  much
• 14:06
  to
• 14:07
  it
• 14:07
  other
• 14:07
  than
• 14:07
  getting
• 14:07
  cleaned
• 14:08
  up.
• 14:08
  But
• 14:09
  are
• 14:09
  you
• 14:09
  bathing
• 14:09
  yourself?
• 14:10
  But
• 14:10
  if
• 14:10
  you're
• 14:11
  doing
• 14:11
  it
• 14:11
  with
• 14:11
  the
• 14:13
  intent
• 14:13
  of,
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  know,
• 14:14
  like
• 14:14
  whatever.
• 14:15
  Like
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  mindful
• 14:16
  bathing.
• 14:16
  Yes,
• 14:17
  that's
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  good
• 14:17
  way
• 14:17
  of
• 14:18
  putting
• 14:18
  it.
• 14:18
  Mindful
• 14:19
  bathing.
• 14:19
  Yeah.
• 14:20
  We
• 14:20
  would
• 14:20
  make
• 14:21
  prashadam,
• 14:21
  which
• 14:22
  was
• 14:22
  dinner.
• 14:23
  Okay.
• 14:23
  But
• 14:24
  again,
• 14:24
  there's
• 14:24
  a
• 14:25
  fancy
• 14:25
  word
• 14:25
  for
• 14:25
  it,
• 14:25
  ritual,
• 14:26
  but
• 14:26
  it's
• 14:26
  not
• 14:26
  just
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  word.
• 14:27
  This,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:28
  know,
• 14:28
  basically
• 14:29
  this,
• 14:29
  you
• 14:30
  put
• 14:30
  your
• 14:30
  full
• 14:31
  intent
• 14:31
  into
• 14:31
  making
• 14:32
  it
• 14:33
  whatever,
• 14:33
  as
• 14:34
  close
• 14:34
  to
• 14:34
  divine
• 14:35
  as
• 14:35
  possible.
• 14:36
  And
• 14:36
  if
• 14:37
  you
• 14:37
  offer
• 14:37
  the
• 14:38
  food
• 14:38
  to
• 14:39
  a
• 14:39
  God,
• 14:39
  they'll
• 14:40
  eat
• 14:40
  it.
• 14:41
  But
• 14:41
  because
• 14:41
  they're
• 14:42
  on
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  different
• 14:42
  plane,
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  food
• 14:43
  remains.
• 14:44
  But
• 14:44
  now
• 14:44
  it's
• 14:45
  blessed
• 14:45
  and
• 14:45
  it's
• 14:45
  become
• 14:46
  pram,
• 14:46
  not
• 14:47
  dinner.
• 14:48
  Krishnas
• 14:48
  throughout
• 14:48
  the
• 14:49
  world
• 14:49
  aren't
• 14:49
  all
• 14:50
  what
• 14:50
  most
• 14:51
  people
• 14:51
  expect
• 14:52
  here.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  ones
• 14:53
  in
• 14:53
  the
• 14:54
  west
• 14:54
  coast,
• 14:54
  for
• 14:54
  the
• 14:55
  most
• 14:55
  part,
• 14:55
  aren't
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  same
• 14:57
  as
• 14:57
  what
• 14:57
  you
• 14:57
  guys
• 14:58
  have
• 14:58
  experienced
• 14:58
  out
• 14:59
  here.
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  mean.
• 14:59
  Yeah,
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  mean,
• 15:00
  that's
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  thing
• 15:00
  with
• 15:00
  religion.
• 15:01
  Every
• 15:01
  single.
• 15:01
  Even
• 15:02
  Christianity
• 15:02
  has
• 15:02
  got
• 15:02
  18,000
• 15:03
  different
• 15:03
  kinds.
• 15:04
  And
• 15:04
  everybody's
• 15:04
  like,
• 15:04
  my
• 15:04
  kind's
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  right
• 15:05
  kind
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  your
• 15:06
  kind
• 15:06
  is
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  dumb
• 15:06
  kind.
• 15:07
  Heathen.
• 15:07
  Right.
• 15:09
  So
• 15:09
  it's
• 15:09
  funny
• 15:09
  that
• 15:09
  that
• 15:10
  actually
• 15:10
  happens
• 15:10
  with
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  Krishnas
• 15:11
  as
• 15:11
  well,
• 15:11
  though
• 15:11
  they're
• 15:11
  probably
• 15:12
  not
• 15:12
  calling
• 15:12
  each
• 15:12
  other
• 15:12
  heathens,
• 15:13
  right?
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  don't
• 15:14
  know.
• 15:14
  They're
• 15:15
  calling
• 15:15
  each
• 15:15
  other
• 15:15
  whatever
• 15:16
  it
• 15:16
  is.
• 15:16
  It's
• 15:16
  just
• 15:16
  their
• 15:17
  word
• 15:17
  for
• 15:17
  heathen.
• 15:17
  Yeah,
• 15:18
  yeah.
• 15:18
  You
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:18
  it's
• 15:19
  all
• 15:19
  I
• 15:19
  remember
• 15:19
  when.
• 15:19
  I
• 15:19
  was
• 15:20
  in
• 15:20
  college,
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  Krishnas
• 15:21
  was
• 15:21
  where
• 15:21
  you
• 15:21
  can
• 15:21
  go
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  get
• 15:21
  the
• 15:22
  vegan,
• 15:22
  pre.
• 15:22
  Vegan
• 15:22
  dinner.
• 15:23
  That
• 15:23
  was
• 15:23
  a
• 15:23
  big
• 15:23
  thing.
• 15:23
  Yeah,
• 15:24
  yeah,
• 15:24
  yeah.
• 15:25
  We
• 15:25
  used
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  go
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  feed
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  bums
• 15:27
  in
• 15:28
  people's
• 15:28
  park
• 15:29
  and
• 15:30
  before
• 15:30
  we
• 15:30
  ate.
• 15:31
  Okay,
• 15:32
  that
• 15:32
  was
• 15:32
  cool.
• 15:32
  And
• 15:32
  that's,
• 15:32
  that's.
• 15:33
  That's
• 15:33
  where
• 15:33
  I
• 15:33
  learned
• 15:34
  to
• 15:34
  love
• 15:34
  cooking.
• 15:35
  Oh,
• 15:35
  that's
• 15:35
  cool.
• 15:35
  Yeah,
• 15:36
  yeah,
• 15:36
  yeah.
• 15:37
  So
• 15:37
  you
• 15:37
  leave
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  Krishna
• 15:38
  thing
• 15:40
  Any
• 15:40
  particular
• 15:40
  reason?
• 15:41
  Just
• 15:41
  got
• 15:41
  tired
• 15:41
  of
• 15:41
  it.
• 15:42
  Yeah.
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  mean,
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  was.
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  was
• 15:43
  16,
• 15:44
  17.
• 15:44
  Right.
• 15:44
  Time.
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  was
• 15:46
  just
• 15:46
  itching
• 15:46
  to
• 15:46
  move
• 15:47
  on.
• 15:47
  Sure.
• 15:48
  Someplace.
• 15:48
  I
• 15:49
  get
• 15:49
  that.
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  don't
• 15:50
  know
• 15:50
  exactly
• 15:51
  where
• 15:51
  I
• 15:51
  went
• 15:51
  from
• 15:51
  there.
• 15:52
  I
• 15:52
  went
• 15:52
  up
• 15:53
  to
• 15:53
  Sacramento
• 15:54
  for
• 15:54
  a
• 15:54
  while.
• 15:54
  Oh.
• 15:54
  And
• 15:55
  then
• 15:55
  up
• 15:55
  to
• 15:55
  Santa
• 15:55
  Rosa.
• 15:56
  Okay.
• 15:56
  Like
• 15:57
  Northern
• 15:57
  California.
• 15:57
  And
• 15:58
  spent
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  lot
• 15:58
  of
• 15:58
  time
• 15:58
  drinking
• 15:59
  on
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  railroad
• 16:00
  track
• 16:00
  up
• 16:00
  there
• 16:00
  with
• 16:00
  some
• 16:01
  wonderful
• 16:01
  people
• 16:02
  like
• 16:02
  you.
• 16:02
  Were
• 16:03
  we
• 16:03
  run
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  rails
• 16:03
  or
• 16:04
  just
• 16:04
  drinking
• 16:04
  on
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  tracks?
• 16:05
  Just
• 16:05
  drinking
• 16:05
  on
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  tracks.
• 16:06
  And
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  train
• 16:06
  comes.
• 16:07
  You
• 16:07
  get
• 16:07
  off
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  tracks?
• 16:07
  Of
• 16:07
  course,
• 16:08
  then
• 16:08
  you.
• 16:09
  Why
• 16:09
  on
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  tracks?
• 16:10
  Was
• 16:10
  that
• 16:10
  just
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  place
• 16:10
  people
• 16:11
  drank?
• 16:11
  It's
• 16:11
  a
• 16:11
  classic
• 16:12
  place
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  drink.
• 16:12
  I
• 16:13
  mean,
• 16:13
  I've
• 16:13
  never
• 16:13
  drank
• 16:14
  on
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  railroad
• 16:14
  tracks.
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  feel
• 16:14
  like
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  never
• 16:15
  walked
• 16:15
  over
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  tracks.
• 16:16
  I've
• 16:16
  walked
• 16:16
  on
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  tracks.
• 16:17
  I've
• 16:17
  just
• 16:17
  never
• 16:17
  drank
• 16:18
  on
• 16:18
  them.
• 16:18
  No.
• 16:18
  Groups
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  people
• 16:19
  there
• 16:19
  drinking?
• 16:20
  Not
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  I've
• 16:21
  ever
• 16:21
  seen.
• 16:21
  No.
• 16:22
  But,
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  know,
• 16:22
  maybe
• 16:22
  that's
• 16:23
  a
• 16:23
  different
• 16:23
  time.
• 16:24
  Maybe.
• 16:24
  Yeah.
• 16:25
  There's
• 16:25
  a
• 16:25
  lot
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  YouTube
• 16:26
  videos
• 16:26
  now
• 16:26
  of,
• 16:27
  like,
• 16:27
  people,
• 16:27
  you.
• 16:28
  That
• 16:28
  you
• 16:28
  can
• 16:28
  learn
• 16:28
  how
• 16:28
  to
• 16:29
  actually
• 16:29
  ride
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  rails
• 16:30
  and,
• 16:30
  like,
• 16:30
  sneak
• 16:31
  onto
• 16:31
  a
• 16:31
  train
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  ride
• 16:32
  all
• 16:32
  the
• 16:32
  way
• 16:32
  to.
• 16:32
  Yeah,
• 16:33
  like.
• 16:33
  Like
• 16:34
  a
• 16:34
  legit
• 16:34
  hobo.
• 16:34
  Done
• 16:34
  some
• 16:35
  hoboing.
• 16:35
  Oh,
• 16:35
  no
• 16:35
  shit.
• 16:36
  Before.
• 16:36
  We'll
• 16:36
  get
• 16:36
  to
• 16:37
  that.
• 16:37
  Anyway,
• 16:37
  I
• 16:38
  eventually
• 16:38
  ended
• 16:38
  up
• 16:38
  back
• 16:38
  in
• 16:39
  Ohio.
• 16:39
  I
• 16:39
  came
• 16:40
  back
• 16:40
  to
• 16:40
  Columbus.
• 16:40
  Okay,
• 16:41
  but
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  had
• 16:41
  family
• 16:41
  here
• 16:42
  still.
• 16:42
  Yes,
• 16:43
  my
• 16:43
  mom
• 16:43
  and
• 16:43
  my
• 16:43
  brother
• 16:43
  were
• 16:44
  still
• 16:44
  here.
• 16:44
  Okay,
• 16:44
  so
• 16:45
  you
• 16:45
  were
• 16:45
  in
• 16:45
  Ohio
• 16:45
  before.
• 16:46
  After
• 16:46
  Toronto,
• 16:47
  we
• 16:47
  moved
• 16:47
  to
• 16:48
  Marion
• 16:48
  while
• 16:49
  we
• 16:49
  were
• 16:49
  having
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  house
• 16:50
  built
• 16:50
  in
• 16:50
  the
• 16:50
  fancy
• 16:51
  new
• 16:51
  suburb
• 16:52
  of
• 16:52
  Gahanna.
• 16:52
  We
• 16:53
  had
• 16:53
  one
• 16:53
  of,
• 16:53
  like,
• 16:53
  the
• 16:53
  first
• 16:54
  eight
• 16:54
  houses.
• 16:54
  So
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  lived
• 16:55
  in
• 16:55
  this,
• 16:55
  like,
• 16:55
  fully
• 16:56
  developed
• 16:57
  development.
• 16:57
  Right,
• 16:58
  right.
• 16:58
  No
• 16:58
  one
• 16:59
  else
• 16:59
  in
• 16:59
  it.
• 16:59
  Right,
• 16:59
  right.
• 17:00
  For
• 17:00
  a
• 17:00
  while.
• 17:01
  And
• 17:01
  my
• 17:02
  mom
• 17:02
  was.
• 17:03
  She
• 17:04
  went
• 17:04
  crazy
• 17:04
  after
• 17:04
  my
• 17:05
  dad
• 17:05
  died.
• 17:05
  I
• 17:06
  mean,
• 17:06
  they
• 17:06
  were
• 17:06
  really,
• 17:07
  really
• 17:07
  in
• 17:07
  love.
• 17:08
  Right.
• 17:08
  And
• 17:09
  what's
• 17:10
  your
• 17:10
  dad
• 17:10
  die
• 17:10
  of?
• 17:12
  Mysterious
• 17:13
  circumstances.
• 17:14
  What
• 17:14
  do
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  think?
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  think
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  don't
• 17:16
  think
• 17:16
  about
• 17:16
  it
• 17:16
  that
• 17:16
  much.
• 17:17
  All
• 17:17
  right,
• 17:17
  fair
• 17:17
  enough.
• 17:18
  That
• 17:18
  much.
• 17:18
  But
• 17:18
  I
• 17:19
  will
• 17:19
  say
• 17:19
  this.
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  did
• 17:21
  have
• 17:21
  an
• 17:21
  offer
• 17:22
  from
• 17:23
  a
• 17:23
  married
• 17:24
  couple
• 17:24
  that
• 17:25
  have
• 17:25
  put
• 17:25
  out
• 17:25
  this
• 17:25
  UFO
• 17:26
  magazine
• 17:27
  since,
• 17:27
  like,
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  60s
• 17:28
  or
• 17:28
  something
• 17:28
  like
• 17:28
  that.
• 17:29
  Okay.
• 17:29
  And
• 17:30
  they
• 17:31
  said
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  they
• 17:31
  would
• 17:32
  pay
• 17:32
  for
• 17:33
  me
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  go
• 17:33
  and
• 17:34
  do
• 17:34
  some
• 17:34
  research
• 17:35
  into
• 17:35
  how
• 17:35
  my
• 17:36
  dad
• 17:36
  died.
• 17:36
  Oh,
• 17:37
  really?
• 17:39
  They
• 17:39
  think
• 17:39
  that
• 17:40
  he
• 17:40
  might
• 17:40
  have
• 17:40
  been
• 17:40
  abducted
• 17:41
  by
• 17:41
  an
• 17:41
  alien.
• 17:42
  That's
• 17:42
  awesome.
• 17:42
  Well,
• 17:43
  I
• 17:43
  mean,
• 17:43
  maybe
• 17:43
  he's
• 17:43
  in
• 17:43
  a
• 17:44
  better
• 17:44
  place.
• 17:44
  Maybe
• 17:44
  he's
• 17:44
  up
• 17:45
  there.
• 17:45
  Maybe
• 17:45
  he's
• 17:45
  flying
• 17:45
  around
• 17:46
  the.
• 17:46
  Yeah.
• 17:46
  You
• 17:47
  know
• 17:47
  who
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  knows,
• 17:48
  man.
• 17:48
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  Your
• 17:49
  mom
• 17:49
  might
• 17:49
  find
• 17:49
  him
• 17:50
  yet.
• 17:50
  Yeah.
• 17:51
  Yeah.
• 17:51
  Oh,
• 17:51
  I
• 17:52
  imagine
• 17:52
  they'll
• 17:52
  bump
• 17:52
  into
• 17:53
  each
• 17:53
  other
• 17:53
  again.
• 17:53
  Yeah.
• 17:54
  I
• 17:54
  think
• 17:54
  everybody
• 17:54
  Does,
• 17:55
  Right.
• 17:55
  I.
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  don't
• 17:56
  know.
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  hope
• 17:57
  not
• 17:57
  everybody.
• 17:58
  Well,
• 17:58
  I
• 17:59
  mean,
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  think.
• 17:59
  Yeah.
• 18:00
  Anyway,
• 18:00
  so
• 18:01
  you're
• 18:01
  back
• 18:01
  in
• 18:01
  Ohio
• 18:02
  between.
• 18:03
  Going
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  New
• 18:04
  York
• 18:04
  every
• 18:04
  other,
• 18:05
  you
• 18:05
  know,
• 18:05
  month
• 18:05
  and.
• 18:06
  And
• 18:06
  living
• 18:07
  in
• 18:07
  Columbus
• 18:07
  and
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  being
• 18:08
  the
• 18:08
  90s
• 18:09
  and
• 18:09
  being
• 18:09
  in
• 18:09
  a
• 18:10
  band
• 18:10
  that
• 18:10
  played
• 18:10
  at
• 18:11
  stashes
• 18:11
  all
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  time.
• 18:11
  Okay.
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  didn't
• 18:12
  know.
• 18:12
  How'd
• 18:12
  you
• 18:12
  get
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  band?
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  don't
• 18:14
  know.
• 18:14
  I've
• 18:15
  been.
• 18:15
  I've
• 18:15
  basically
• 18:15
  been
• 18:16
  kind
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  punk
• 18:16
  rocker
• 18:17
  my
• 18:17
  whole
• 18:17
  life.
• 18:17
  Okay.
• 18:18
  Yeah.
• 18:18
  Anyway,
• 18:19
  between
• 18:19
  all
• 18:19
  that
• 18:19
  stuff,
• 18:20
  I
• 18:20
  became
• 18:20
  Guide
• 18:20
  on
• 18:21
  Heroin.
• 18:22
  Okay.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  was
• 18:23
  a
• 18:23
  heroin
• 18:23
  addict
• 18:24
  for
• 18:24
  a
• 18:25
  few
• 18:25
  years.
• 18:25
  How
• 18:25
  old
• 18:25
  were
• 18:25
  you
• 18:26
  when
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  got
• 18:26
  introduced
• 18:26
  to.
• 18:27
  To
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  heroin?
• 18:29
  19.
• 18:30
  20.
• 18:30
  19.
• 18:31
  No.
• 18:31
  Yeah.
• 18:31
  No.
• 18:31
  Okay,
• 18:32
  maybe
• 18:32
  18.
• 18:32
  19.
• 18:33
  Do
• 18:33
  you
• 18:33
  remember
• 18:33
  who
• 18:34
  introduced
• 18:34
  you
• 18:35
  to
• 18:35
  it
• 18:35
  or.
• 18:35
  Yeah.
• 18:35
  William
• 18:36
  Burroughs.
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  mean,
• 18:37
  but
• 18:37
  so
• 18:38
  I
• 18:39
  sought
• 18:39
  it
• 18:39
  out.
• 18:39
  Right,
• 18:40
  right.
• 18:40
  Oh,
• 18:41
  so
• 18:41
  you're
• 18:41
  reading
• 18:41
  Burroughs
• 18:42
  books
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  you're
• 18:42
  like,
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  don't
• 18:42
  try
• 18:42
  something.
• 18:43
  Everyone
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  idolized
• 18:44
  was
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  heroin
• 18:45
  addict.
• 18:45
  Sure,
• 18:45
  sure.
• 18:46
  That's
• 18:46
  how
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  got
• 18:46
  into
• 18:46
  weed.
• 18:47
  But,
• 18:47
  yeah,
• 18:47
  yeah,
• 18:48
  yeah.
• 18:48
  I
• 18:48
  just
• 18:49
  didn't
• 18:49
  take
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  further
• 18:49
  step.
• 18:51
  So
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  found
• 18:52
  somebody.
• 18:52
  You
• 18:52
  could
• 18:52
  just
• 18:52
  find
• 18:53
  somebody
• 18:53
  who
• 18:53
  would.
• 18:54
  Was
• 18:54
  at
• 18:54
  that
• 18:54
  time.
• 18:55
  Yeah.
• 18:55
  Okay.
• 18:56
  In
• 18:56
  that
• 18:56
  rock
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  roll
• 18:57
  scene
• 18:57
  in
• 18:57
  Columbus,
• 18:58
  Ohio,
• 18:58
  it
• 18:58
  was
• 18:58
  pretty
• 18:59
  easy.
• 18:59
  And
• 18:59
  did
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  do
• 18:59
  it
• 18:59
  by
• 19:00
  yourself
• 19:00
  or
• 19:00
  did
• 19:00
  you
• 19:01
  do
• 19:01
  it
• 19:01
  with
• 19:01
  all
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  time?
• 19:01
  I.
• 19:02
  No,
• 19:02
  but
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  first
• 19:03
  time.
• 19:03
  We're
• 19:03
  talking
• 19:03
  about,
• 19:03
  like,
• 19:03
  the
• 19:04
  first
• 19:04
  time
• 19:04
  you
• 19:04
  get
• 19:04
  it
• 19:04
  from
• 19:04
  somebody.
• 19:05
  Do
• 19:05
  you
• 19:05
  remember?
• 19:06
  Yeah,
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  fairy
• 19:06
  volcano.
• 19:07
  Let's
• 19:07
  see.
• 19:08
  The
• 19:08
  very
• 19:08
  first
• 19:08
  time
• 19:08
  I
• 19:09
  ever
• 19:09
  did
• 19:09
  it,
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  think
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  very
• 19:11
  first
• 19:11
  time
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  did
• 19:11
  it,
• 19:12
  I
• 19:12
  was
• 19:12
  probably
• 19:12
  by
• 19:12
  myself.
• 19:13
  And
• 19:13
  then
• 19:14
  usually
• 19:14
  after
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  was
• 19:15
  with
• 19:15
  my
• 19:16
  girlfriend
• 19:16
  who'd
• 19:17
  eventually
• 19:17
  become
• 19:17
  my
• 19:18
  first
• 19:18
  wife.
• 19:18
  Okay,
• 19:19
  so
• 19:19
  you
• 19:19
  get
• 19:19
  this
• 19:20
  heroin,
• 19:20
  it's
• 19:20
  what,
• 19:21
  black
• 19:21
  tar?
• 19:21
  Or
• 19:21
  was
• 19:21
  it
• 19:21
  like.
• 19:22
  Okay,
• 19:22
  that's
• 19:22
  what
• 19:22
  I
• 19:23
  was
• 19:23
  gonna
• 19:23
  say.
• 19:23
  Yeah.
• 19:23
  The
• 19:23
  first
• 19:24
  time.
• 19:24
  I
• 19:24
  really
• 19:25
  remember
• 19:26
  coming
• 19:27
  alive
• 19:27
  from
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  experience
• 19:28
  and
• 19:28
  having
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  first
• 19:29
  time
• 19:29
  being
• 19:30
  like,
• 19:30
  oh,
• 19:30
  am
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  gonna
• 19:31
  be
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  heroin
• 19:32
  addict?
• 19:33
  Feeling
• 19:34
  was.
• 19:36
  I
• 19:36
  was
• 19:37
  visiting
• 19:37
  some
• 19:38
  friends
• 19:39
  in
• 19:39
  San
• 19:39
  Francisco,
• 19:40
  my
• 19:41
  ex
• 19:41
  wife
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  I,
• 19:43
  and
• 19:44
  they
• 19:44
  got
• 19:44
  this
• 19:45
  black
• 19:45
  tar
• 19:46
  stuff
• 19:46
  and
• 19:46
  used
• 19:46
  an
• 19:47
  eyedropper
• 19:47
  method
• 19:48
  where
• 19:48
  you
• 19:49
  heated
• 19:49
  up
• 19:49
  and
• 19:50
  put
• 19:50
  it
• 19:51
  in
• 19:51
  the
• 19:51
  eyedropper
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  drop
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  your
• 19:52
  nose.
• 19:53
  Right.
• 19:53
  And
• 19:55
  pretty
• 19:55
  fucking
• 19:56
  fun.
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  mean,
• 19:56
  better
• 19:57
  than
• 19:57
  shooting
• 19:57
  it
• 19:57
  up
• 19:57
  needles,
• 19:58
  like.
• 19:58
  Yeah.
• 19:59
  No,
• 19:59
  not.
• 20:00
  No,
• 20:00
  it's
• 20:00
  not.
• 20:01
  Well,
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  mean,
• 20:01
  better
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  my.
• 20:02
  In
• 20:02
  my
• 20:03
  mind
• 20:03
  because
• 20:03
  I'm
• 20:03
  terrified
• 20:04
  of
• 20:04
  needles.
• 20:04
  But
• 20:04
  yeah,
• 20:05
  yeah,
• 20:06
  I
• 20:06
  can
• 20:06
  understand
• 20:07
  that.
• 20:07
  Right.
• 20:07
  It's
• 20:08
  all.
• 20:08
  Any
• 20:08
  way
• 20:09
  you're
• 20:09
  doing
• 20:09
  it.
• 20:09
  It's.
• 20:10
  You
• 20:10
  know
• 20:10
  what?
• 20:11
  I've.
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  have
• 20:12
  friends
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  this
• 20:12
  day
• 20:13
  who
• 20:13
  are
• 20:14
  people
• 20:14
  that
• 20:15
  every
• 20:15
  once
• 20:15
  in
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  While
• 20:16
  three,
• 20:16
  four
• 20:17
  times
• 20:17
  a
• 20:17
  year,
• 20:18
  they'll
• 20:18
  do
• 20:18
  heroin
• 20:19
  shoot
• 20:19
  up.
• 20:20
  Most
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  them.
• 20:20
  Sniff
• 20:20
  it
• 20:21
  if
• 20:21
  they're
• 20:21
  going
• 20:21
  to
• 20:21
  do
• 20:21
  it
• 20:21
  now.
• 20:21
  But
• 20:22
  if
• 20:22
  you
• 20:23
  can
• 20:23
  be
• 20:23
  that
• 20:23
  kind
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  person,
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  highly
• 20:24
  recommend
• 20:25
  heroin.
• 20:25
  Sure,
• 20:26
  sure.
• 20:26
  If
• 20:26
  you
• 20:26
  can
• 20:26
  be
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  fun.
• 20:27
  If
• 20:27
  you
• 20:27
  can
• 20:28
  be
• 20:28
  that
• 20:28
  kind
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  person
• 20:28
  is
• 20:28
  the
• 20:29
  thing.
• 20:29
  Right?
• 20:29
  Yeah.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:30
  I've
• 20:30
  been.
• 20:31
  I've
• 20:32
  quit
• 20:32
  smoking.
• 20:33
  I've
• 20:33
  quit
• 20:33
  everything
• 20:33
  in
• 20:34
  my
• 20:34
  life,
• 20:34
  including
• 20:34
  heroin,
• 20:35
  without
• 20:35
  ever
• 20:36
  going
• 20:36
  to
• 20:36
  any
• 20:36
  kind
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  program
• 20:37
  or
• 20:37
  anything
• 20:37
  like
• 20:37
  that.
• 20:37
  Right,
• 20:38
  right.
• 20:38
  I've
• 20:38
  quit
• 20:39
  everything.
• 20:41
  But
• 20:41
  heroin
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  only
• 20:42
  one
• 20:42
  that
• 20:43
  ever.
• 20:43
  I'm
• 20:43
  still
• 20:44
  scared
• 20:44
  of
• 20:44
  that.
• 20:45
  Cause.
• 20:45
  Yeah,
• 20:46
  yeah,
• 20:46
  yeah,
• 20:46
  Like.
• 20:46
  Yeah,
• 20:47
  like,
• 20:47
  oh,
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  would
• 20:48
  still,
• 20:48
  like,
• 20:49
  love
• 20:49
  to
• 20:50
  get
• 20:50
  high
• 20:51
  on
• 20:51
  heroin
• 20:52
  again.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  would
• 20:54
  if
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  knew
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  could
• 20:54
  do
• 20:54
  it
• 20:55
  without
• 20:55
  any
• 20:55
  repercussion.
• 20:56
  Repercussions.
• 20:56
  Sure.
• 20:56
  I
• 20:57
  don't
• 20:57
  feel
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  way
• 20:57
  about
• 20:57
  pcp.
• 20:59
  Oh.
• 20:59
  You
• 20:59
  know
• 20:59
  what
• 21:00
  I
• 21:00
  mean?
• 21:00
  There's
• 21:00
  another
• 21:00
  one
• 21:00
  we
• 21:01
  can
• 21:01
  dig
• 21:01
  into.
• 21:01
  So
• 21:01
  what
• 21:02
  does
• 21:02
  that
• 21:02
  look
• 21:02
  like?
• 21:02
  Like,
• 21:03
  is
• 21:03
  it.
• 21:03
  You're
• 21:03
  good
• 21:04
  for
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  while,
• 21:04
  like
• 21:05
  you're
• 21:05
  using
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  and
• 21:05
  you're.
• 21:06
  You
• 21:06
  think
• 21:06
  you're.
• 21:06
  You're
• 21:07
  kind
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  okay,
• 21:07
  and
• 21:07
  then
• 21:07
  you
• 21:08
  realize
• 21:08
  at
• 21:08
  a
• 21:08
  certain
• 21:08
  point
• 21:09
  it's
• 21:09
  using
• 21:09
  you
• 21:10
  or
• 21:10
  something
• 21:10
  to
• 21:10
  this
• 21:11
  effect.
• 21:11
  Right.
• 21:11
  Yeah,
• 21:12
  whatever.
• 21:12
  You
• 21:12
  could
• 21:12
  slap
• 21:13
  whatever
• 21:13
  kind
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  cliche
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  there
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  want.
• 21:14
  Right,
• 21:14
  Right.
• 21:15
  Gonna
• 21:15
  be
• 21:15
  basically
• 21:16
  true.
• 21:16
  Calling
• 21:16
  me
• 21:16
  out
• 21:16
  on
• 21:16
  that.
• 21:17
  Yeah,
• 21:17
  no,
• 21:17
  yeah,
• 21:18
  it's
• 21:18
  gonna
• 21:18
  be
• 21:18
  true.
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  mean,
• 21:19
  they're
• 21:19
  all.
• 21:19
  That's
• 21:20
  really.
• 21:20
  Is.
• 21:21
  That's
• 21:22
  all
• 21:22
  there
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  it,
• 21:23
  you
• 21:23
  know,
• 21:23
  it's
• 21:23
  nothing.
• 21:23
  You
• 21:24
  know,
• 21:24
  eventually
• 21:24
  the
• 21:25
  lights
• 21:25
  all
• 21:25
  go
• 21:25
  out.
• 21:26
  Eventually
• 21:26
  you
• 21:27
  take
• 21:27
  something
• 21:27
  from
• 21:27
  a
• 21:27
  friend
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  know
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  shouldn't
• 21:29
  have.
• 21:29
  And
• 21:29
  I've
• 21:29
  never,
• 21:30
  ever
• 21:30
  in
• 21:30
  my
• 21:31
  life
• 21:31
  been
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  thief
• 21:32
  on
• 21:32
  any
• 21:32
  level.
• 21:32
  Sure.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:33
  that's
• 21:33
  something
• 21:33
  that,
• 21:35
  you
• 21:35
  know,
• 21:35
  I
• 21:36
  never
• 21:36
  outright
• 21:37
  stole
• 21:37
  somebody's
• 21:38
  guitar
• 21:38
  and
• 21:39
  sold
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  or
• 21:39
  something
• 21:39
  like
• 21:40
  that,
• 21:40
  but
• 21:40
  I
• 21:40
  certainly
• 21:41
  did
• 21:41
  things
• 21:41
  where
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  know
• 21:41
  I
• 21:42
  was
• 21:42
  taking
• 21:42
  advantage
• 21:43
  that
• 21:43
  I'll
• 21:43
  never
• 21:44
  forgive.
• 21:44
  Myself
• 21:44
  for
• 21:45
  just
• 21:45
  to
• 21:45
  get
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  drug.
• 21:46
  Yeah,
• 21:47
  yeah,
• 21:47
  yeah,
• 21:47
  yeah,
• 21:48
  yeah.
• 21:49
  How
• 21:49
  often
• 21:49
  were
• 21:49
  you
• 21:50
  using
• 21:50
  when
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  were,
• 21:50
  like,
• 21:50
  in
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  throat?
• 21:51
  How
• 21:51
  much.
• 21:51
  How
• 21:52
  much
• 21:52
  did
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  use?
• 21:52
  Three
• 21:53
  times
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  day.
• 21:53
  Huh.
• 21:54
  How'd
• 21:54
  you
• 21:54
  get
• 21:55
  off
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  heroin
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  were
• 21:55
  on
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  couple
• 21:55
  of
• 21:56
  years,
• 21:56
  you
• 21:56
  said.
• 21:57
  Yeah.
• 21:57
  So
• 21:58
  this
• 21:59
  one.
• 21:59
  Was
• 21:59
  there.
• 21:59
  Was
• 21:59
  there
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  moment
• 22:00
  that.
• 22:00
  Yes,
• 22:01
  there
• 22:01
  was
• 22:01
  a
• 22:01
  moment.
• 22:01
  Of
• 22:01
  course
• 22:02
  there
• 22:02
  was
• 22:02
  always
• 22:02
  a
• 22:02
  moment.
• 22:02
  Yeah,
• 22:03
  there
• 22:03
  was.
• 22:03
  Well,
• 22:03
  things
• 22:03
  were
• 22:04
  getting
• 22:04
  bad
• 22:04
  generally,
• 22:05
  you
• 22:05
  know,
• 22:05
  in
• 22:06
  a
• 22:06
  lot
• 22:06
  of
• 22:06
  ways.
• 22:07
  And
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  wasn't
• 22:09
  very
• 22:09
  fun,
• 22:09
  cool
• 22:10
  person
• 22:10
  anymore.
• 22:11
  Sure.
• 22:12
  Just
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  lot
• 22:12
  of
• 22:13
  my
• 22:13
  friends
• 22:13
  were
• 22:13
  hurt
• 22:13
  and
• 22:14
  upset.
• 22:14
  Eventually
• 22:14
  the
• 22:15
  drug
• 22:15
  ends
• 22:15
  up
• 22:15
  controlling
• 22:16
  you.
• 22:16
  That's.
• 22:17
  Yeah.
• 22:17
  Another
• 22:18
  cliche.
• 22:18
  But
• 22:18
  it's.
• 22:19
  It's
• 22:19
  true.
• 22:19
  That's
• 22:20
  what
• 22:20
  happens.
• 22:20
  Right.
• 22:21
  This
• 22:21
  guy
• 22:21
  who
• 22:22
  was
• 22:22
  one
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  my
• 22:22
  best
• 22:22
  friends
• 22:23
  growing
• 22:23
  up,
• 22:23
  who
• 22:24
  went
• 22:24
  lit,
• 22:25
  his
• 22:25
  father
• 22:25
  went
• 22:26
  crazy,
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  when
• 22:27
  we
• 22:27
  were
• 22:27
  young
• 22:28
  and
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  same
• 22:28
  thing
• 22:28
  happened
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  John,
• 22:29
  my
• 22:30
  friend.
• 22:31
  What
• 22:31
  happened?
• 22:31
  He.
• 22:31
  I
• 22:32
  went
• 22:33
  crazy.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:35
  I
• 22:35
  mean
• 22:36
  crazy
• 22:36
  like
• 22:36
  stopped
• 22:37
  using
• 22:38
  electricity.
• 22:39
  Didn't
• 22:39
  believe
• 22:39
  in
• 22:40
  money
• 22:40
  anymore.
• 22:40
  And
• 22:41
  his
• 22:41
  landlord
• 22:42
  wasn't
• 22:42
  super
• 22:42
  cool
• 22:43
  with
• 22:43
  either
• 22:43
  one
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  those
• 22:43
  things.
• 22:44
  The
• 22:44
  money
• 22:44
  one,
• 22:44
  I
• 22:45
  think,
• 22:45
  is
• 22:45
  probably
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  one
• 22:45
  that's
• 22:45
  the
• 22:46
  difficult
• 22:46
  one
• 22:46
  for
• 22:46
  the
• 22:46
  landlord.
• 22:47
  Electricity,
• 22:48
  whatever.
• 22:48
  But
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  landlord's
• 22:49
  gonna.
• 22:49
  Yeah,
• 22:49
  right.
• 22:51
  He
• 22:51
  moved
• 22:51
  back
• 22:51
  in
• 22:51
  with
• 22:51
  his
• 22:52
  mom,
• 22:52
  started
• 22:52
  making
• 22:52
  his
• 22:53
  own
• 22:53
  chocolate
• 22:53
  bars.
• 22:55
  Have
• 22:55
  a
• 22:55
  hobby.
• 22:55
  Right.
• 22:56
  The
• 22:56
  last
• 22:57
  time
• 22:57
  I
• 22:58
  heard
• 22:58
  anything
• 22:59
  about
• 22:59
  him,
• 22:59
  his
• 22:59
  sister,
• 23:00
  who
• 23:00
  was
• 23:00
  never
• 23:01
  super
• 23:01
  fond
• 23:02
  of
• 23:02
  me,
• 23:02
  gave
• 23:02
  me
• 23:03
  a
• 23:03
  call
• 23:03
  to
• 23:03
  let
• 23:03
  me
• 23:04
  know
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  he
• 23:04
  had
• 23:04
  stolen
• 23:05
  his
• 23:05
  mom's
• 23:05
  car
• 23:06
  in
• 23:06
  Florida.
• 23:07
  And
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  last
• 23:08
  thing
• 23:08
  they
• 23:08
  heard
• 23:08
  was
• 23:08
  he
• 23:08
  was
• 23:09
  driving
• 23:09
  to
• 23:09
  New
• 23:09
  York
• 23:10
  to
• 23:10
  kill
• 23:10
  me.
• 23:11
  Wow.
• 23:12
  Yeah.
• 23:12
  So
• 23:12
  this
• 23:13
  guy,
• 23:13
  right
• 23:14
  before
• 23:14
  he
• 23:14
  went
• 23:15
  crazy
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  wanted
• 23:15
  to
• 23:15
  kill
• 23:15
  me,
• 23:16
  called
• 23:17
  my
• 23:17
  mom
• 23:17
  and
• 23:17
  my
• 23:17
  brother,
• 23:18
  who
• 23:19
  had
• 23:19
  relocated
• 23:19
  to
• 23:19
  Missouri,
• 23:20
  because
• 23:20
  he
• 23:20
  was,
• 23:20
  like,
• 23:20
  worried
• 23:21
  about
• 23:21
  you.
• 23:21
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  All
• 23:22
  right.
• 23:22
  Like,
• 23:23
  he's
• 23:23
  fucked
• 23:24
  up.
• 23:24
  It's
• 23:24
  like.
• 23:25
  Because
• 23:25
  he
• 23:25
  wasn't
• 23:25
  him
• 23:26
  anymore,
• 23:28
  which
• 23:28
  is
• 23:28
  ironic
• 23:29
  because
• 23:29
  he
• 23:29
  ended
• 23:29
  up
• 23:29
  going
• 23:29
  crazy
• 23:30
  himself
• 23:30
  and
• 23:31
  trying
• 23:31
  to
• 23:31
  kill
• 23:31
  you.
• 23:31
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  So.
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  mean,
• 23:32
  life's
• 23:33
  a
• 23:33
  long
• 23:33
  road.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:34
  But
• 23:34
  the
• 23:35
  moral.
• 23:35
  That
• 23:35
  one's
• 23:35
  obvious.
• 23:36
  Do
• 23:36
  drugs.
• 23:38
  Is
• 23:38
  that
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  moral?
• 23:39
  Let
• 23:39
  me
• 23:40
  think
• 23:40
  about
• 23:40
  that.
• 23:41
  I'll
• 23:41
  leave
• 23:41
  that
• 23:41
  to
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  listeners
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  decide
• 23:43
  what
• 23:43
  the
• 23:43
  moral
• 23:43
  of
• 23:43
  that
• 23:43
  one
• 23:44
  is.
• 23:46
  My
• 23:46
  mom
• 23:46
  and
• 23:46
  my
• 23:46
  brother.
• 23:47
  Exactly
• 23:48
  what
• 23:48
  my
• 23:48
  mom,
• 23:48
  my
• 23:48
  brother
• 23:48
  would
• 23:49
  do.
• 23:49
  They
• 23:49
  didn't
• 23:50
  say
• 23:50
  anything,
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  they
• 23:51
  drove
• 23:51
  from
• 23:51
  Missouri
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  my
• 23:52
  house
• 23:53
  10
• 23:53
  minutes
• 23:53
  after
• 23:54
  they
• 23:54
  got
• 23:54
  off
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  phone
• 23:55
  with
• 23:55
  John.
• 23:56
  Because
• 23:56
  they
• 23:56
  had
• 23:56
  no
• 23:56
  idea.
• 23:57
  Nah.
• 23:58
  Right.
• 23:58
  They
• 23:58
  showed
• 23:59
  up
• 24:00
  and
• 24:00
  my
• 24:00
  brother
• 24:01
  came
• 24:01
  in
• 24:01
  with
• 24:01
  a.
• 24:02
  Like
• 24:02
  blackjack
• 24:03
  or
• 24:03
  whatever,
• 24:03
  ready
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  knock
• 24:04
  me
• 24:04
  out
• 24:04
  if
• 24:04
  he
• 24:05
  had
• 24:05
  to.
• 24:05
  They
• 24:05
  didn't
• 24:05
  know
• 24:05
  if
• 24:06
  I'd
• 24:06
  be
• 24:06
  crazed,
• 24:07
  like,
• 24:07
  trying
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  find.
• 24:08
  Yeah,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  guys
• 24:09
  are
• 24:09
  right.
• 24:10
  I
• 24:10
  gotta
• 24:10
  do
• 24:10
  it.
• 24:11
  I.
• 24:11
  I
• 24:11
  gotta
• 24:11
  do
• 24:11
  it.
• 24:12
  I
• 24:12
  probably
• 24:12
  would
• 24:12
  have
• 24:12
  done
• 24:12
  it
• 24:12
  myself
• 24:13
  if
• 24:13
  I
• 24:14
  had
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  cash.
• 24:14
  I
• 24:14
  need
• 24:14
  about
• 24:15
  200
• 24:15
  bucks.
• 24:15
  That'll
• 24:16
  get
• 24:16
  me
• 24:16
  enough
• 24:16
  heroin
• 24:17
  to.
• 24:17
  For.
• 24:18
  To
• 24:18
  get
• 24:18
  us
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  Missouri,
• 24:19
  and
• 24:19
  then
• 24:19
  I
• 24:19
  won't
• 24:20
  have
• 24:20
  any
• 24:20
  when
• 24:20
  we
• 24:20
  get
• 24:21
  there.
• 24:21
  Okay.
• 24:21
  So
• 24:21
  let's
• 24:22
  do
• 24:22
  it.
• 24:22
  Just
• 24:22
  left
• 24:23
  everything
• 24:23
  in
• 24:23
  the
• 24:23
  house.
• 24:24
  My
• 24:24
  mom
• 24:25
  got
• 24:25
  me
• 24:25
  some
• 24:25
  heroin
• 24:28
  and.
• 24:29
  Tearing
• 24:29
  up
• 24:29
  a
• 24:29
  little
• 24:29
  bit,
• 24:30
  actually.
• 24:30
  We
• 24:31
  drove
• 24:31
  out
• 24:31
  there,
• 24:32
  and
• 24:33
  I
• 24:33
  didn't
• 24:33
  sleep
• 24:34
  for,
• 24:34
  like,
• 24:34
  11
• 24:34
  days.
• 24:35
  It
• 24:35
  was.
• 24:35
  It
• 24:36
  was
• 24:36
  bad.
• 24:36
  Yeah.
• 24:37
  Everything
• 24:37
  is.
• 24:37
  I've
• 24:37
  seen
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  movies,
• 24:39
  but
• 24:39
  there's.
• 24:39
  There's
• 24:40
  really
• 24:40
  no
• 24:40
  explanation
• 24:41
  for.
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  mean,
• 24:41
  you
• 24:42
  cannot
• 24:42
  describ
• 24:43
  it
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  someone
• 24:43
  who
• 24:43
  hasn't
• 24:43
  gone
• 24:43
  through
• 24:44
  it.
• 24:44
  It's
• 24:44
  It's
• 24:45
  a
• 24:45
  weird
• 24:45
  kind
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  hell,
• 24:46
  but
• 24:47
  on
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  11th
• 24:48
  day,
• 24:48
  I
• 24:48
  was
• 24:49
  laying
• 24:49
  on
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  floor
• 24:51
  and
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  was
• 24:51
  reading
• 24:52
  this
• 24:52
  book.
• 24:53
  It
• 24:53
  was
• 24:53
  like
• 24:53
  some
• 24:53
  old
• 24:54
  hard
• 24:54
  boiled
• 24:54
  detective
• 24:55
  novel.
• 24:56
  Right,
• 24:56
  Right.
• 24:56
  Kind
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  novel.
• 24:58
  And
• 24:58
  all
• 24:59
  of
• 24:59
  a
• 24:59
  sudden
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  noticed
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  book
• 25:00
  was
• 25:00
  on
• 25:00
  my
• 25:00
  chest
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  was
• 25:01
  like,
• 25:02
  oh,
• 25:02
  my
• 25:02
  God.
• 25:03
  I
• 25:03
  just
• 25:03
  fell
• 25:03
  asleep
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  I
• 25:04
  looked
• 25:04
  at
• 25:04
  the
• 25:04
  clock
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  I'd
• 25:05
  been
• 25:05
  asleep
• 25:06
  for
• 25:06
  like
• 25:06
  45
• 25:06
  minutes.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:07
  I
• 25:08
  have
• 25:08
  never
• 25:08
  been
• 25:08
  so
• 25:08
  happy
• 25:09
  in
• 25:09
  my
• 25:09
  life.
• 25:09
  I
• 25:10
  was
• 25:10
  like,
• 25:10
  that
• 25:10
  meant
• 25:11
  like,
• 25:11
  I'm
• 25:11
  beating
• 25:11
  it.
• 25:12
  This
• 25:12
  is
• 25:12
  like
• 25:12
  really
• 25:12
  happening.
• 25:13
  Right?
• 25:14
  I'm
• 25:14
  not
• 25:14
  going
• 25:14
  to
• 25:14
  feel
• 25:14
  like
• 25:14
  that
• 25:15
  forever.
• 25:15
  You're
• 25:15
  actually.
• 25:15
  Yeah.
• 25:16
  Sleeping.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  was
• 25:18
  really
• 25:18
  like
• 25:19
  overflowing
• 25:20
  with
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  kind
• 25:21
  of
• 25:21
  joy.
• 25:22
  And
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  phone
• 25:22
  rang
• 25:23
  at
• 25:24
  that
• 25:24
  exact
• 25:24
  minute
• 25:25
  and
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  picked
• 25:26
  it
• 25:26
  up
• 25:26
  and
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  was
• 25:28
  my
• 25:29
  friend
• 25:29
  Jasper.
• 25:29
  And
• 25:30
  I
• 25:30
  was
• 25:30
  like,
• 25:30
  oh,
• 25:31
  my
• 25:31
  God,
• 25:31
  Jasper.
• 25:32
  You're
• 25:32
  not
• 25:32
  going
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  believe
• 25:32
  it.
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  just
• 25:33
  was
• 25:33
  sleeping.
• 25:34
  It's
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  greatest
• 25:34
  day
• 25:34
  of
• 25:34
  my
• 25:34
  life.
• 25:35
  And
• 25:35
  Jasper
• 25:35
  was
• 25:36
  like,
• 25:36
  yeah,
• 25:37
  Mike
• 25:37
  Dean
• 25:38
  killed
• 25:38
  J
• 25:38
  hit
• 25:39
  last
• 25:39
  night.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:40
  that
• 25:40
  was
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  guy,
• 25:41
  right.
• 25:41
  Talking
• 25:42
  about
• 25:42
  earlier.
• 25:42
  Yeah.
• 25:43
  So
• 25:43
  you
• 25:44
  quit
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  heroin.
• 25:45
  Good
• 25:45
  job.
• 25:45
  You're
• 25:45
  in
• 25:45
  Missouri
• 25:46
  forever.
• 25:47
  For
• 25:47
  how
• 25:48
  long
• 25:48
  were
• 25:48
  you
• 25:48
  in
• 25:48
  Missouri?
• 25:49
  Oh,
• 25:49
  no,
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  mean,
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  quit
• 25:50
  the
• 25:50
  heroin
• 25:50
  forever.
• 25:50
  Forever.
• 25:51
  Yeah,
• 25:51
  yeah,
• 25:51
  yeah.
• 25:51
  I
• 25:51
  like.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:52
  I
• 25:52
  literally
• 25:53
  at
• 25:53
  one
• 25:53
  point
• 25:53
  tried
• 25:54
  it
• 25:54
  again
• 25:54
  to
• 25:55
  make
• 25:55
  sure
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  was
• 25:56
  like,
• 25:56
  not
• 25:56
  addicted
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  it.
• 25:57
  Really.
• 25:58
  It's
• 25:58
  a
• 25:58
  ballsy.
• 25:59
  The
• 25:59
  reason.
• 25:59
  And
• 26:00
  I
• 26:00
  just
• 26:00
  sniffed
• 26:00
  it,
• 26:01
  but.
• 26:02
  And
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  had
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  blast.
• 26:03
  And
• 26:03
  I.
• 26:04
  The
• 26:04
  next
• 26:05
  day,
• 26:05
  I
• 26:05
  didn't
• 26:05
  feel
• 26:05
  like
• 26:06
  any
• 26:06
  like
• 26:06
  going
• 26:06
  back
• 26:07
  or
• 26:07
  whatever,
• 26:07
  but
• 26:08
  I
• 26:08
  knew
• 26:08
  if
• 26:08
  I
• 26:09
  did
• 26:09
  it,
• 26:10
  I
• 26:10
  was
• 26:10
  like,
• 26:10
  that.
• 26:10
  That
• 26:11
  one
• 26:11
  time
• 26:11
  will
• 26:11
  be
• 26:11
  enough.
• 26:12
  Yeah.
• 26:14
  Oh,
• 26:14
  good
• 26:14
  for
• 26:14
  you.
• 26:14
  Missouri
• 26:15
  did
• 26:15
  change
• 26:15
  my
• 26:16
  life.
• 26:16
  Not
• 26:16
  just
• 26:17
  getting
• 26:17
  off
• 26:17
  heroin,
• 26:18
  but
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  got
• 26:19
  a
• 26:20
  job
• 26:20
  in
• 26:20
  a
• 26:21
  chicken
• 26:22
  factory.
• 26:23
  Okay,
• 26:24
  okay.
• 26:24
  The
• 26:25
  first
• 26:25
  chicken
• 26:25
  factory
• 26:26
  I
• 26:26
  ever
• 26:26
  worked
• 26:26
  in
• 26:26
  was
• 26:26
  called
• 26:27
  Petagene.
• 26:27
  Like
• 26:27
  a
• 26:27
  butcher?
• 26:29
  Kind
• 26:29
  of
• 26:29
  like.
• 26:29
  What
• 26:29
  do
• 26:29
  they
• 26:30
  call
• 26:30
  it?
• 26:30
  Slaughterhouse.
• 26:30
  As.
• 26:31
  As
• 26:31
  an
• 26:31
  actual
• 26:32
  butcher.
• 26:32
  Now
• 26:33
  I
• 26:33
  realize
• 26:34
  how
• 26:34
  far
• 26:34
  that
• 26:34
  is,
• 26:34
  but
• 26:35
  yes,
• 26:36
  yeah,
• 26:36
  right.
• 26:37
  Slaughtering
• 26:37
  and
• 26:37
  breaking
• 26:38
  down
• 26:38
  meat,
• 26:38
  basically.
• 26:39
  Right.
• 26:39
  But
• 26:42
  yeah,
• 26:42
  I
• 26:42
  got
• 26:42
  a
• 26:42
  job
• 26:44
  at
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  chicken
• 26:44
  plant
• 26:45
  peeling
• 26:45
  tenders.
• 26:46
  My
• 26:46
  thumbnails
• 26:47
  turned
• 26:47
  black
• 26:48
  and
• 26:48
  fell
• 26:48
  off
• 26:49
  and
• 26:50
  the
• 26:51
  work
• 26:51
  was
• 26:52
  insane
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  I
• 26:52
  felt
• 26:53
  like
• 26:53
  I
• 26:54
  deserved
• 26:54
  it
• 26:55
  or
• 26:55
  something
• 26:55
  like
• 26:55
  that,
• 26:55
  kind
• 26:56
  of.
• 26:56
  And
• 26:57
  how
• 26:57
  old
• 26:57
  are
• 26:57
  you?
• 26:58
  19,
• 26:58
  I
• 26:58
  think.
• 26:59
  Right,
• 26:59
  right.
• 26:59
  Okay.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  at
• 27:01
  some
• 27:01
  point
• 27:01
  there,
• 27:02
  I
• 27:02
  can't
• 27:02
  remember
• 27:02
  if
• 27:03
  it
• 27:03
  was
• 27:03
  before
• 27:04
  this
• 27:04
  or
• 27:04
  after
• 27:04
  that,
• 27:05
  but
• 27:05
  at
• 27:05
  some
• 27:06
  point
• 27:06
  in
• 27:06
  California,
• 27:06
  I
• 27:07
  married
• 27:07
  my
• 27:07
  girlfriend.
• 27:09
  All
• 27:09
  right,
• 27:09
  so.
• 27:09
  And
• 27:09
  she
• 27:10
  was
• 27:10
  there,
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  know,
• 27:11
  she
• 27:11
  had
• 27:11
  gotten
• 27:11
  off
• 27:11
  heroin.
• 27:12
  She
• 27:12
  came
• 27:12
  with
• 27:12
  you
• 27:12
  to
• 27:13
  get
• 27:13
  off
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  heroin
• 27:13
  with
• 27:14
  you.
• 27:14
  Oh,
• 27:14
  okay.
• 27:14
  That's
• 27:15
  an
• 27:15
  interesting
• 27:15
  part.
• 27:15
  She
• 27:15
  was
• 27:15
  on
• 27:15
  it.
• 27:16
  She
• 27:16
  goes,
• 27:16
  did
• 27:16
  you
• 27:16
  get
• 27:16
  her
• 27:17
  on
• 27:17
  heroin.
• 27:18
  It
• 27:18
  kind
• 27:18
  of
• 27:18
  just
• 27:19
  happened
• 27:19
  organically.
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  was.
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  was
• 27:20
  never
• 27:21
  like,
• 27:21
  hey,
• 27:21
  you
• 27:22
  are
• 27:22
  married.
• 27:22
  You
• 27:22
  are
• 27:23
  married.
• 27:23
  You
• 27:23
  kind
• 27:23
  of
• 27:23
  got
• 27:23
  to
• 27:24
  do
• 27:24
  this,
• 27:24
  you
• 27:24
  know?
• 27:24
  I
• 27:24
  mean.
• 27:24
  Yeah,
• 27:25
  I
• 27:25
  don't
• 27:25
  know.
• 27:25
  We
• 27:25
  did.
• 27:27
  Yeah.
• 27:27
  Those
• 27:27
  couples.
• 27:28
  She
• 27:28
  was
• 27:28
  just
• 27:29
  a
• 27:29
  heroin
• 27:29
  addict
• 27:29
  type
• 27:30
  of
• 27:30
  person.
• 27:30
  Regardless,
• 27:31
  she
• 27:31
  ended
• 27:31
  up
• 27:31
  staying
• 27:32
  on
• 27:32
  it
• 27:32
  and
• 27:32
  doing
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  lot
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  up
• 27:34
  things,
• 27:34
  but
• 27:34
  whatever,
• 27:35
  right?
• 27:36
  But
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  chicken
• 27:37
  factory,
• 27:38
  man,
• 27:38
  that.
• 27:38
  That
• 27:38
  was
• 27:39
  amazing.
• 27:40
  Amazing.
• 27:40
  And
• 27:40
  it's
• 27:41
  amazing
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  me
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  I
• 27:42
  could
• 27:42
  handle
• 27:42
  it.
• 27:42
  But
• 27:43
  I
• 27:43
  moved
• 27:43
  on
• 27:43
  from
• 27:44
  there
• 27:44
  to
• 27:44
  a
• 27:44
  larger
• 27:44
  chicken
• 27:45
  factory
• 27:45
  in
• 27:46
  Buffalo,
• 27:46
  Missouri.
• 27:47
  Okay.
• 27:47
  And
• 27:47
  then
• 27:48
  I
• 27:48
  moved
• 27:48
  on
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  Granddaddy
• 27:50
  turkey
• 27:51
  factory
• 27:51
  in
• 27:51
  Springfield.
• 27:53
  Your
• 27:54
  career's
• 27:54
  taken
• 27:55
  off.
• 27:55
  Yeah.
• 27:56
  Yeah.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:56
  by.
• 27:57
  At
• 27:57
  that
• 27:57
  point,
• 27:57
  I
• 27:58
  was
• 27:58
  drinking
• 27:58
  two
• 27:59
  bottles
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  gin
• 28:00
  a
• 28:00
  day.
• 28:00
  Oh.
• 28:01
  To.
• 28:02
  To
• 28:02
  fit
• 28:02
  in,
• 28:03
  I
• 28:03
  guess.
• 28:03
  There
• 28:04
  was
• 28:04
  a
• 28:04
  lot
• 28:04
  of
• 28:04
  drinking
• 28:04
  going
• 28:05
  on
• 28:05
  at
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  chicken
• 28:06
  factory.
• 28:07
  Yeah,
• 28:07
  there
• 28:07
  was.
• 28:08
  Missouri
• 28:09
  also
• 28:09
  is
• 28:09
  like,
• 28:10
  I've
• 28:10
  been
• 28:11
  a
• 28:11
  lot
• 28:11
  of
• 28:11
  places.
• 28:12
  I.
• 28:12
  And
• 28:12
  I
• 28:13
  never
• 28:13
  really
• 28:13
  thought
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  could
• 28:14
  actually
• 28:14
  hate
• 28:14
  a
• 28:15
  place,
• 28:16
  especially
• 28:16
  one
• 28:16
  is
• 28:17
  so
• 28:17
  beautiful
• 28:17
  as
• 28:17
  Missouri.
• 28:18
  But
• 28:18
  there's
• 28:19
  something
• 28:19
  wrong
• 28:19
  with
• 28:19
  it
• 28:20
  there.
• 28:20
  It's
• 28:20
  like
• 28:20
  it
• 28:21
  makes
• 28:21
  people
• 28:23
  into
• 28:23
  weird,
• 28:24
  bitter,
• 28:24
  pinched
• 28:25
  up
• 28:25
  husks
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  people.
• 28:27
  Interesting.
• 28:27
  Oh,
• 28:28
  I
• 28:28
  never
• 28:28
  heard
• 28:28
  that.
• 28:29
  Well,
• 28:30
  I
• 28:30
  mean,
• 28:30
  I
• 28:30
  know
• 28:30
  a
• 28:30
  few
• 28:30
  people
• 28:31
  from
• 28:31
  Missouri.
• 28:31
  They
• 28:31
  don't.
• 28:31
  I
• 28:32
  mean,
• 28:32
  I'm
• 28:32
  sure
• 28:32
  there's
• 28:32
  exceptions,
• 28:33
  but.
• 28:33
  Yeah,
• 28:33
  if
• 28:34
  you
• 28:34
  stay,
• 28:34
  I
• 28:34
  guess
• 28:34
  these
• 28:34
  people
• 28:35
  left.
• 28:35
  There
• 28:35
  are
• 28:35
  people
• 28:36
  in
• 28:36
  St.
• 28:36
  Louis
• 28:36
  and
• 28:37
  stuff
• 28:37
  like
• 28:37
  that.
• 28:37
  Yeah,
• 28:37
  it
• 28:38
  really.
• 28:38
  I
• 28:38
  guess
• 28:38
  what
• 28:38
  I'm
• 28:38
  talking
• 28:39
  about
• 28:39
  is
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  Ozarks
• 28:40
  and
• 28:40
  that
• 28:40
  Southern.
• 28:41
  Right,
• 28:41
  right,
• 28:41
  right,
• 28:42
  right.
• 28:42
  Part
• 28:43
  of
• 28:43
  it.
• 28:43
  I've
• 28:43
  never
• 28:44
  seen,
• 28:44
  like,
• 28:45
  this
• 28:45
  level
• 28:45
  of,
• 28:46
  like,
• 28:47
  willful
• 28:47
  ignorance
• 28:48
  and
• 28:49
  just,
• 28:50
  you
• 28:51
  know,
• 28:51
  like,
• 28:51
  girls
• 28:52
  had
• 28:52
  like,
• 28:52
  genital
• 28:53
  warts
• 28:53
  down
• 28:53
  to
• 28:54
  their
• 28:54
  ankles
• 28:54
  until
• 28:55
  you
• 28:55
  explain
• 28:55
  to
• 28:55
  them
• 28:56
  that,
• 28:56
  like,
• 28:56
  you
• 28:57
  could
• 28:57
  just
• 28:57
  go
• 28:57
  to
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  doctor
• 28:58
  and
• 28:58
  they
• 28:58
  just
• 28:59
  never
• 28:59
  knew.
• 29:00
  It's.
• 29:01
  It's
• 29:02
  seriously
• 29:02
  sad.
• 29:03
  Right,
• 29:03
  Right,
• 29:03
  right.
• 29:03
  That's
• 29:04
  truly
• 29:04
  a
• 29:05
  little
• 29:05
  bit
• 29:05
  of.
• 29:05
  A
• 29:05
  little
• 29:05
  bit
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  like,
• 29:06
  sex
• 29:06
  education
• 29:06
  or
• 29:07
  something.
• 29:09
  Down
• 29:09
  to
• 29:09
  your
• 29:09
  ankles,
• 29:09
  though.
• 29:10
  That's
• 29:10
  got
• 29:10
  to
• 29:10
  be
• 29:10
  a
• 29:10
  long.
• 29:11
  I've
• 29:12
  never
• 29:12
  heard
• 29:12
  of
• 29:12
  that
• 29:12
  before.
• 29:13
  The
• 29:13
  specific
• 29:14
  girl
• 29:14
  I'm
• 29:14
  thinking
• 29:14
  of
• 29:15
  was
• 29:16
  one
• 29:16
  of
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  smartest
• 29:17
  people
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  met
• 29:18
  in
• 29:18
  Missouri,
• 29:19
  and
• 29:19
  she's
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  one
• 29:20
  who.
• 29:20
  Has
• 29:20
  the
• 29:20
  genital
• 29:20
  warts
• 29:21
  down
• 29:21
  to
• 29:21
  the.
• 29:21
  Ankles
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  she
• 29:22
  had.
• 29:22
  Had
• 29:22
  them,
• 29:22
  you
• 29:23
  know,
• 29:23
  she.
• 29:23
  They
• 29:23
  had.
• 29:23
  That
• 29:24
  had
• 29:24
  happened
• 29:24
  to
• 29:24
  her
• 29:25
  and
• 29:25
  because
• 29:26
  she
• 29:26
  just
• 29:26
  didn't
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:27
  like
• 29:27
  she
• 29:28
  said
• 29:28
  that.
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  had
• 29:29
  no
• 29:29
  idea.
• 29:30
  So
• 29:30
  smart
• 29:30
  in
• 29:30
  some
• 29:30
  ways,
• 29:31
  not
• 29:31
  smart
• 29:31
  in
• 29:31
  other
• 29:32
  ways.
• 29:32
  Right.
• 29:32
  Well,
• 29:32
  ignorant.
• 29:33
  You
• 29:33
  know
• 29:33
  what
• 29:33
  I
• 29:33
  mean?
• 29:34
  Smart,
• 29:34
  but
• 29:35
  ignorant.
• 29:35
  You
• 29:35
  know,
• 29:36
  you
• 29:36
  can't
• 29:36
  put
• 29:36
  the
• 29:37
  facts
• 29:37
  together,
• 29:37
  I
• 29:37
  guess
• 29:37
  if
• 29:38
  you
• 29:38
  don't
• 29:38
  have
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  facts,
• 29:38
  no
• 29:39
  matter
• 29:39
  how
• 29:39
  smart
• 29:39
  you
• 29:39
  are.
• 29:39
  I
• 29:40
  mean,
• 29:40
  I'd
• 29:40
  be
• 29:40
  like,
• 29:40
  why
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  fuck
• 29:41
  are
• 29:41
  there
• 29:41
  warts
• 29:41
  all
• 29:41
  over
• 29:41
  my
• 29:42
  pussy?
• 29:42
  But
• 29:43
  she
• 29:43
  was.
• 29:43
  She
• 29:44
  just
• 29:44
  thought
• 29:44
  like
• 29:44
  everyone
• 29:45
  else
• 29:45
  there
• 29:45
  does.
• 29:45
  There's
• 29:46
  something
• 29:46
  wrong
• 29:46
  with
• 29:46
  her
• 29:46
  specifically.
• 29:47
  A
• 29:47
  lot
• 29:47
  of
• 29:47
  genital
• 29:47
  warts
• 29:48
  in
• 29:48
  Missouri
• 29:48
  then.
• 29:49
  Yeah.
• 29:49
  Yeah.
• 29:52
  Like,
• 29:53
  is
• 29:53
  it
• 29:53
  like.
• 29:53
  Of
• 29:53
  course.
• 29:54
  Duh.
• 29:54
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  They
• 29:56
  used
• 29:56
  to
• 29:56
  have
• 29:56
  on
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  license
• 29:57
  plate
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  genital
• 29:58
  wart
• 29:58
  state,
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  think,
• 30:00
  you
• 30:01
  know,
• 30:01
  they.
• 30:01
  Also.
• 30:02
  Right
• 30:02
  around
• 30:03
  the
• 30:03
  corner
• 30:03
  from
• 30:03
  where
• 30:03
  we
• 30:03
  lived
• 30:04
  was
• 30:04
  Max
• 30:04
  Creek.
• 30:05
  Awesome
• 30:05
  softball
• 30:06
  team.
• 30:06
  All
• 30:06
  right.
• 30:07
  But
• 30:07
  the
• 30:09
  highest
• 30:10
  incest
• 30:11
  ranked
• 30:12
  in
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  country.
• 30:13
  Wow.
• 30:13
  Dead.
• 30:13
  Seriously.
• 30:14
  Basically,
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  town
• 30:15
  is
• 30:15
  a
• 30:15
  family,
• 30:16
  and
• 30:17
  they
• 30:17
  got
• 30:17
  busted
• 30:19
  because
• 30:19
  there's
• 30:20
  a
• 30:20
  police
• 30:20
  station
• 30:20
  there
• 30:20
  or
• 30:21
  something
• 30:21
  like
• 30:21
  that.
• 30:21
  They
• 30:21
  changed
• 30:22
  a
• 30:22
  federal
• 30:22
  law
• 30:23
  because
• 30:23
  These
• 30:23
  guys,
• 30:24
  like,
• 30:24
  98
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  the
• 30:26
  income
• 30:26
  for
• 30:27
  the
• 30:27
  entire
• 30:27
  town
• 30:28
  was
• 30:28
  coming
• 30:28
  from
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  speed
• 30:30
  trap
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  they
• 30:30
  set
• 30:31
  up.
• 30:31
  Right.
• 30:32
  There's
• 30:33
  a
• 30:33
  lot
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  these
• 30:33
  in
• 30:33
  Ohio,
• 30:33
  too.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:35
  Well,
• 30:35
  this
• 30:35
  was.
• 30:35
  I
• 30:35
  don't
• 30:35
  know
• 30:36
  exactly
• 30:36
  how
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  scam
• 30:37
  works
• 30:37
  or
• 30:37
  whatever,
• 30:38
  but
• 30:38
  it
• 30:38
  was
• 30:38
  the
• 30:38
  entire
• 30:39
  town,
• 30:39
  and
• 30:39
  they
• 30:40
  were
• 30:40
  all
• 30:40
  related
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  they
• 30:41
  had
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  great
• 30:42
  softball
• 30:42
  team.
• 30:42
  So
• 30:43
  this
• 30:43
  episode,
• 30:44
  sponsored
• 30:44
  by
• 30:44
  the
• 30:44
  state
• 30:45
  of
• 30:45
  Missouri.
• 30:47
  Go
• 30:47
  for
• 30:47
  the
• 30:48
  incest,
• 30:48
  stay
• 30:48
  for
• 30:48
  the
• 30:49
  genital
• 30:49
  warts.
• 30:51
  Anyway,
• 30:51
  the
• 30:52
  whole
• 30:52
  thing
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  happened
• 30:53
  there
• 30:53
  was
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  started
• 30:54
  working
• 30:54
  on
• 30:54
  Saturdays
• 30:55
  doing
• 30:55
  that
• 30:55
  job
• 30:55
  where
• 30:56
  I'd
• 30:56
  hook
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  freshly
• 30:57
  dead
• 30:57
  turkeys
• 30:57
  and
• 30:58
  they'd
• 30:58
  spray
• 30:58
  out.
• 30:58
  I'd.
• 30:59
  Yes.
• 31:00
  Onto
• 31:00
  my
• 31:00
  neck
• 31:01
  or
• 31:01
  chin,
• 31:01
  usually.
• 31:02
  But
• 31:02
  I
• 31:02
  was
• 31:03
  doing
• 31:03
  it
• 31:03
  because
• 31:04
  this
• 31:04
  guy
• 31:04
  had
• 31:05
  a
• 31:05
  white
• 31:05
  blazer
• 31:06
  that
• 31:07
  he
• 31:07
  would
• 31:07
  sell
• 31:07
  me
• 31:08
  pretty
• 31:08
  cheap.
• 31:09
  And
• 31:09
  my
• 31:10
  wife's
• 31:10
  birthday
• 31:11
  was
• 31:11
  coming
• 31:11
  up.
• 31:11
  Okay.
• 31:12
  And
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  was
• 31:13
  like,
• 31:13
  oh,
• 31:14
  so
• 31:14
  cool.
• 31:14
  It'll
• 31:14
  be
• 31:14
  perfect,
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  know?
• 31:16
  And
• 31:17
  I
• 31:17
  did
• 31:17
  it,
• 31:18
  you
• 31:18
  know,
• 31:19
  work
• 31:19
  through
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  whole
• 31:20
  summer
• 31:20
  or
• 31:20
  whatever
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  hell
• 31:21
  it
• 31:21
  was,
• 31:22
  and
• 31:24
  got
• 31:24
  the
• 31:25
  car
• 31:25
  and
• 31:25
  everything
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  brought
• 31:26
  it
• 31:26
  home
• 31:27
  on
• 31:27
  her
• 31:27
  birthday
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  drove
• 31:30
  it
• 31:30
  home
• 31:30
  from
• 31:30
  work
• 31:31
  or
• 31:31
  whatever.
• 31:31
  Yeah.
• 31:32
  And
• 31:34
  she
• 31:34
  walked
• 31:35
  out
• 31:35
  of
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  house,
• 31:36
  and
• 31:36
  I
• 31:37
  was,
• 31:37
  like.
• 31:37
  Handed
• 31:37
  her
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  keys,
• 31:38
  and
• 31:38
  she
• 31:38
  was
• 31:38
  like,
• 31:38
  oh,
• 31:38
  my
• 31:38
  God,
• 31:39
  this
• 31:39
  is
• 31:39
  so
• 31:39
  perfect
• 31:40
  because
• 31:40
  I'm
• 31:40
  leaving
• 31:40
  you.
• 31:41
  And
• 31:42
  literally
• 31:42
  left
• 31:43
  that
• 31:43
  night.
• 31:43
  Took
• 31:43
  the
• 31:44
  car,
• 31:44
  took
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  car,
• 31:45
  took
• 31:45
  my
• 31:46
  dog.
• 31:46
  Jesus
• 31:47
  Christ,
• 31:47
  dude.
• 31:48
  I
• 31:48
  would,
• 31:49
  like.
• 31:50
  Did
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  ever
• 31:50
  think,
• 31:50
  you
• 31:51
  can't
• 31:51
  have
• 31:51
  it
• 31:51
  if
• 31:52
  you're
• 31:52
  leaving
• 31:52
  me?
• 31:53
  This
• 31:53
  is
• 31:53
  not
• 31:53
  like.
• 31:54
  That's
• 31:55
  not
• 31:55
  something
• 31:55
  I
• 31:55
  would
• 31:55
  think.
• 31:56
  Right.
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  mean,
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  love
• 31:57
  things,
• 31:58
  like,
• 31:58
  I
• 31:59
  like
• 31:59
  having
• 31:59
  around,
• 32:00
  but
• 32:01
  I
• 32:01
  don't
• 32:01
  really
• 32:01
  care
• 32:02
  about
• 32:02
  things
• 32:03
  when
• 32:03
  something
• 32:03
  like
• 32:03
  that
• 32:03
  happens.
• 32:04
  I
• 32:04
  was.
• 32:04
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  All
• 32:05
  right,
• 32:05
  fair
• 32:05
  enough.
• 32:05
  Yeah.
• 32:06
  But
• 32:07
  pissed
• 32:07
  off
• 32:07
  about
• 32:08
  it
• 32:08
  now.
• 32:08
  Yeah,
• 32:09
  yeah,
• 32:09
  yeah,
• 32:09
  yeah.
• 32:10
  Hindsight.
• 32:11
  Hindsight.
• 32:11
  Yeah.
• 32:11
  Yeah.
• 32:12
  So
• 32:12
  as
• 32:13
  a
• 32:13
  result
• 32:13
  of
• 32:13
  that,
• 32:14
  I
• 32:14
  decided
• 32:15
  that
• 32:15
  Missouri
• 32:16
  just
• 32:16
  had
• 32:16
  too
• 32:17
  many
• 32:17
  bad
• 32:17
  memories
• 32:17
  for
• 32:18
  me.
• 32:18
  Sure.
• 32:18
  Like
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  genital
• 32:19
  warts
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  gay.
• 32:20
  Yeah,
• 32:22
  right.
• 32:22
  Time
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  go.
• 32:23
  Moved
• 32:23
  from
• 32:23
  Missouri
• 32:24
  to
• 32:24
  Minneapolis.
• 32:24
  Moved
• 32:25
  in
• 32:25
  with
• 32:25
  a
• 32:25
  couple
• 32:25
  of
• 32:25
  old
• 32:26
  friends
• 32:27
  from
• 32:27
  here,
• 32:27
  from
• 32:28
  Columbus.
• 32:28
  Okay.
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  continued
• 32:30
  working
• 32:30
  in
• 32:31
  meat
• 32:31
  and
• 32:32
  I
• 32:32
  ended
• 32:32
  up
• 32:32
  managing
• 32:33
  a
• 32:33
  Whole
• 32:33
  Foods
• 32:33
  meat
• 32:34
  department
• 32:34
  for
• 32:34
  a
• 32:34
  while.
• 32:34
  And
• 32:35
  then
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  moved
• 32:35
  on
• 32:35
  to
• 32:35
  this
• 32:36
  place
• 32:36
  called
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  Wedge
• 32:36
  that
• 32:37
  was
• 32:37
  like
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  biggest
• 32:39
  food
• 32:39
  co
• 32:40
  op
• 32:40
  in
• 32:40
  the
• 32:40
  United
• 32:40
  States
• 32:41
  until,
• 32:42
  you
• 32:43
  know,
• 32:43
  2000
• 32:44
  or
• 32:44
  something
• 32:44
  like
• 32:44
  that
• 32:45
  in
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  60s,
• 32:45
  it
• 32:46
  had
• 32:46
  been
• 32:46
  there
• 32:46
  consistently.
• 32:47
  Super
• 32:47
  famous
• 32:47
  place.
• 32:48
  We,
• 32:48
  like
• 32:49
  Prince's
• 32:50
  wife,
• 32:50
  shop
• 32:50
  there
• 32:50
  all
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  time.
• 32:51
  Tiny
• 32:52
  Tim
• 32:52
  in
• 32:52
  his
• 32:53
  last
• 32:53
  days
• 32:53
  was
• 32:54
  like
• 32:54
  one
• 32:54
  of
• 32:54
  my
• 32:54
  main,
• 32:55
  main
• 32:55
  kind
• 32:56
  of
• 32:56
  clients.
• 32:57
  We,
• 32:58
  yeah,
• 32:58
  discuss
• 32:58
  his
• 32:59
  diet
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  lot.
• 32:59
  And
• 33:00
  his
• 33:00
  wife
• 33:00
  continued,
• 33:02
  you
• 33:02
  know,
• 33:04
  coming
• 33:04
  in
• 33:04
  after
• 33:05
  he
• 33:05
  died
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  everything.
• 33:06
  That's
• 33:06
  crazy.
• 33:07
  Lord
• 33:07
  Dern
• 33:08
  would
• 33:08
  come
• 33:08
  in.
• 33:09
  I
• 33:09
  remember
• 33:10
  Fugazi
• 33:10
  came
• 33:10
  in
• 33:11
  one
• 33:11
  time.
• 33:11
  That
• 33:11
  was
• 33:12
  pretty
• 33:12
  awesome.
• 33:13
  So,
• 33:13
  yeah,
• 33:13
  people
• 33:13
  like.
• 33:14
  It
• 33:14
  was
• 33:14
  a
• 33:14
  pretty
• 33:15
  famous
• 33:15
  place.
• 33:15
  There's
• 33:15
  a
• 33:15
  scene,
• 33:16
  Minnesota,
• 33:16
  whatever.
• 33:17
  I
• 33:17
  got
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  girlfriend
• 33:18
  who
• 33:18
  worked
• 33:19
  there
• 33:19
  named
• 33:20
  Sarah,
• 33:20
  and
• 33:22
  she
• 33:22
  had
• 33:22
  studied
• 33:23
  Spanish
• 33:24
  stuff,
• 33:24
  culture
• 33:25
  and
• 33:25
  language
• 33:26
  her
• 33:26
  entire
• 33:26
  life.
• 33:27
  And
• 33:28
  she
• 33:29
  wanted
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  go
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  Guatemala.
• 33:30
  And
• 33:31
  we
• 33:31
  decided,
• 33:31
  okay,
• 33:32
  let's
• 33:32
  do
• 33:32
  that.
• 33:33
  So
• 33:33
  we
• 33:33
  saved
• 33:33
  up
• 33:34
  for
• 33:34
  why
• 33:34
  not
• 33:35
  a
• 33:35
  while,
• 33:35
  and
• 33:36
  we
• 33:36
  put
• 33:36
  away
• 33:36
  maybe
• 33:37
  ten
• 33:37
  grand
• 33:37
  or
• 33:37
  something
• 33:37
  like
• 33:38
  that.
• 33:38
  Okay.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:39
  we
• 33:39
  flew.
• 33:39
  It
• 33:39
  was
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  first
• 33:40
  time
• 33:40
  I'd
• 33:40
  had
• 33:40
  money
• 33:41
  again
• 33:41
  in
• 33:41
  a
• 33:41
  while.
• 33:42
  And
• 33:42
  we
• 33:42
  flew
• 33:43
  my
• 33:43
  mom
• 33:43
  out
• 33:44
  to
• 33:44
  Isla
• 33:45
  Mujeres,
• 33:45
  which
• 33:46
  is
• 33:46
  a
• 33:46
  little
• 33:46
  island
• 33:46
  off
• 33:47
  the
• 33:47
  coast
• 33:47
  of,
• 33:47
  okay.
• 33:48
  Cancun.
• 33:49
  Cancun.
• 33:49
  It's
• 33:50
  not
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  Cancun
• 33:50
  type
• 33:50
  place.
• 33:51
  It's.
• 33:51
  It
• 33:52
  used
• 33:52
  to
• 33:52
  be
• 33:52
  wonderful.
• 33:52
  I
• 33:52
  don't
• 33:53
  know
• 33:53
  what
• 33:53
  it's
• 33:53
  like
• 33:53
  now.
• 33:53
  Right.
• 33:54
  We
• 33:54
  partied
• 33:54
  there
• 33:55
  with
• 33:55
  her
• 33:55
  for
• 33:56
  an
• 33:56
  unforgettable
• 33:57
  week.
• 33:57
  And
• 33:58
  then
• 33:58
  from
• 33:59
  there
• 33:59
  we
• 33:59
  just
• 33:59
  started.
• 34:00
  Sarah
• 34:00
  and
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  just
• 34:00
  started
• 34:01
  traveling
• 34:01
  south
• 34:02
  and
• 34:02
  ended
• 34:03
  up
• 34:03
  going
• 34:03
  through,
• 34:04
  you
• 34:04
  know,
• 34:05
  the
• 34:05
  rest
• 34:05
  of
• 34:05
  Mexico,
• 34:05
  through
• 34:06
  Belize.
• 34:07
  And
• 34:08
  then
• 34:08
  from
• 34:08
  Punta
• 34:09
  Gorda,
• 34:09
  Belize,
• 34:09
  we
• 34:10
  took
• 34:10
  a
• 34:10
  boat
• 34:11
  to
• 34:11
  Livingston,
• 34:12
  Guatemala.
• 34:12
  Okay.
• 34:13
  It's
• 34:13
  probably
• 34:14
  where
• 34:14
  like
• 34:14
  90
• 34:15
  of
• 34:15
  the
• 34:15
  black
• 34:15
  population
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  Guatemala
• 34:17
  lives.
• 34:17
  Okay.
• 34:17
  And
• 34:19
  spent
• 34:19
  about
• 34:20
  six
• 34:20
  months
• 34:20
  there.
• 34:21
  And
• 34:22
  then
• 34:23
  from
• 34:23
  there
• 34:23
  we
• 34:24
  moved
• 34:24
  to
• 34:24
  Guatemala
• 34:24
  City
• 34:25
  for
• 34:25
  a
• 34:25
  while.
• 34:25
  And
• 34:26
  then
• 34:26
  from
• 34:26
  there
• 34:26
  we
• 34:26
  went
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  Todo
• 34:27
  Santos.
• 34:27
  And
• 34:28
  Todo
• 34:28
  Santos
• 34:29
  is
• 34:29
  on
• 34:29
  the
• 34:30
  west
• 34:30
  coast
• 34:30
  of
• 34:31
  Guatemala,
• 34:32
  way
• 34:32
  up
• 34:32
  in
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  mountains,
• 34:33
  9200ft
• 34:34
  and
• 34:35
  lived
• 34:35
  there
• 34:35
  for
• 34:35
  about
• 34:36
  a
• 34:36
  year.
• 34:36
  Okay.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:37
  it
• 34:37
  was.
• 34:38
  It
• 34:38
  was
• 34:38
  like
• 34:38
  living
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  Indiana
• 34:39
  Jones.
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  don't
• 34:41
  even
• 34:41
  know
• 34:41
  where
• 34:42
  you
• 34:42
  would
• 34:42
  begin
• 34:42
  there.
• 34:43
  There's.
• 34:43
  There's
• 34:43
  a
• 34:44
  thing
• 34:44
  they
• 34:44
  have
• 34:44
  there
• 34:45
  called
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  Cajarial,
• 34:46
  which
• 34:46
  is
• 34:47
  this
• 34:47
  box
• 34:48
  of
• 34:48
  papers
• 34:49
  and
• 34:49
  stuff
• 34:49
  like
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  allegedly
• 34:51
  came
• 34:51
  over
• 34:51
  with
• 34:51
  the
• 34:51
  conquistadors.
• 34:52
  But
• 34:53
  there's,
• 34:53
  like,
• 34:53
  stuff
• 34:53
  written
• 34:54
  on
• 34:54
  skin
• 34:54
  and
• 34:55
  all
• 34:55
  this,
• 34:55
  like,
• 34:55
  weird
• 34:56
  stuff.
• 34:56
  And
• 34:56
  it's
• 34:57
  very,
• 34:57
  very
• 34:58
  selective
• 34:58
  about
• 34:58
  who
• 34:58
  gets
• 34:59
  to
• 34:59
  see
• 34:59
  it,
• 34:59
  that
• 34:59
  people
• 35:00
  have
• 35:00
  tried
• 35:00
  to
• 35:00
  steal
• 35:01
  it
• 35:01
  back
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  United
• 35:01
  States
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  bunch
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  times.
• 35:02
  The
• 35:03
  Smithsonian
• 35:03
  allegedly
• 35:04
  has
• 35:04
  had
• 35:04
  people
• 35:05
  there
• 35:05
  basically
• 35:05
  trying
• 35:06
  to
• 35:06
  take
• 35:06
  this
• 35:06
  thing.
• 35:07
  Wow.
• 35:07
  I
• 35:08
  got
• 35:08
  to
• 35:08
  see
• 35:08
  that.
• 35:08
  Which
• 35:08
  was
• 35:08
  a
• 35:09
  real
• 35:09
  honor.
• 35:09
  Yeah,
• 35:09
  that's
• 35:10
  cool.
• 35:10
  Amazing.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:11
  like,
• 35:11
  all
• 35:11
  of
• 35:12
  these
• 35:12
  meetings
• 35:13
  and
• 35:13
  stuff
• 35:13
  like
• 35:14
  that
• 35:14
  would
• 35:14
  happen
• 35:14
  in,
• 35:14
  like,
• 35:15
  a
• 35:15
  dirt
• 35:16
  floor
• 35:16
  wooden
• 35:17
  shack
• 35:18
  with
• 35:18
  a
• 35:18
  fire
• 35:18
  in
• 35:19
  it,
• 35:19
  you
• 35:19
  know,
• 35:20
  on
• 35:20
  a
• 35:20
  chilly
• 35:21
  night,
• 35:21
  drinking
• 35:22
  aguardiente
• 35:23
  and
• 35:24
  bonado
• 35:25
  or
• 35:25
  whatever
• 35:26
  with
• 35:26
  these
• 35:26
  guys.
• 35:26
  It
• 35:27
  was
• 35:27
  super
• 35:27
  magical
• 35:28
  living
• 35:29
  there.
• 35:29
  There's
• 35:30
  a
• 35:30
  famous
• 35:30
  horse
• 35:30
  race
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  happens
• 35:31
  there
• 35:31
  every
• 35:32
  year
• 35:33
  that
• 35:34
  basically
• 35:34
  all
• 35:34
  the
• 35:35
  men
• 35:35
  go
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  the
• 35:36
  coast.
• 35:36
  I
• 35:37
  have
• 35:37
  no
• 35:37
  idea
• 35:37
  what
• 35:37
  they
• 35:38
  do.
• 35:38
  I
• 35:38
  never
• 35:38
  made
• 35:38
  it
• 35:38
  to
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  coast.
• 35:39
  But
• 35:40
  they
• 35:40
  go
• 35:40
  to
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  coast
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  work.
• 35:43
  That's
• 35:43
  what
• 35:43
  everyone
• 35:43
  says.
• 35:44
  Okay.
• 35:44
  You
• 35:44
  know,
• 35:44
  my
• 35:45
  husband's
• 35:45
  at
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  coast
• 35:46
  working.
• 35:46
  Come
• 35:47
  in.
• 35:48
  But
• 35:49
  they
• 35:51
  come
• 35:51
  back
• 35:52
  in
• 35:52
  November
• 35:54
  for
• 35:54
  the
• 35:55
  Day
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  the
• 35:56
  Dead
• 35:56
  celebration.
• 35:57
  And
• 35:57
  that's
• 35:58
  their
• 35:58
  huge
• 35:58
  holiday.
• 35:59
  Right.
• 35:59
  So
• 35:59
  there's
• 35:59
  like
• 36:00
  three
• 36:00
  celebrations
• 36:01
  right.
• 36:01
  In
• 36:01
  a
• 36:01
  row.
• 36:02
  And
• 36:02
  one
• 36:02
  of
• 36:02
  them
• 36:03
  is
• 36:03
  this
• 36:03
  horse
• 36:03
  race.
• 36:04
  And
• 36:04
  the
• 36:04
  horse
• 36:04
  race
• 36:05
  is
• 36:07
  100
• 36:07
  yards
• 36:08
  or
• 36:08
  something
• 36:08
  like
• 36:08
  that,
• 36:10
  but
• 36:10
  it's
• 36:10
  back
• 36:11
  and
• 36:11
  forth.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:12
  each
• 36:12
  time
• 36:12
  you
• 36:13
  get
• 36:13
  to
• 36:13
  the
• 36:14
  finish
• 36:14
  line,
• 36:15
  you
• 36:15
  have
• 36:15
  to
• 36:15
  drink
• 36:15
  a
• 36:16
  shot
• 36:16
  of
• 36:16
  Quetzalteka
• 36:18
  and
• 36:18
  you
• 36:18
  go
• 36:19
  back
• 36:19
  and
• 36:19
  do
• 36:19
  the
• 36:19
  same
• 36:19
  thing.
• 36:20
  The
• 36:21
  year
• 36:21
  I
• 36:21
  was
• 36:21
  there
• 36:21
  was
• 36:22
  the
• 36:22
  first
• 36:22
  time
• 36:23
  no
• 36:23
  one
• 36:23
  died
• 36:24
  during
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  race,
• 36:25
  but
• 36:25
  there
• 36:25
  were
• 36:25
  some
• 36:25
  serious,
• 36:26
  serious
• 36:27
  injuries.
• 36:27
  So
• 36:27
  they're
• 36:28
  on
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  horse
• 36:28
  drinking
• 36:29
  while
• 36:29
  they're
• 36:29
  on
• 36:29
  the
• 36:29
  horse.
• 36:29
  Or
• 36:30
  they.
• 36:30
  They
• 36:30
  go
• 36:31
  cross
• 36:31
  the
• 36:31
  finish
• 36:32
  line
• 36:32
  and
• 36:32
  drink,
• 36:32
  turn
• 36:32
  around,
• 36:33
  go
• 36:33
  back
• 36:33
  across
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  finish
• 36:34
  line.
• 36:34
  But
• 36:34
  they
• 36:34
  sit
• 36:34
  on
• 36:34
  the
• 36:34
  horse
• 36:35
  the
• 36:35
  whole
• 36:35
  time.
• 36:35
  Yeah.
• 36:35
  They
• 36:35
  never
• 36:35
  have
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  horse.
• 36:36
  Right.
• 36:36
  In
• 36:37
  fact,
• 36:38
  most
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  them
• 36:38
  tie
• 36:39
  themselves
• 36:39
  to
• 36:40
  the
• 36:40
  horse
• 36:41
  and.
• 36:42
  Which
• 36:42
  is
• 36:42
  one
• 36:43
  of
• 36:43
  the
• 36:43
  things
• 36:43
  that's
• 36:43
  resulted
• 36:44
  in
• 36:44
  a
• 36:44
  lot
• 36:44
  that
• 36:44
  would
• 36:45
  do
• 36:45
  it.
• 36:45
  The
• 36:45
  death
• 36:45
  and
• 36:45
  stuff
• 36:46
  like
• 36:46
  that.
• 36:46
  They
• 36:47
  use
• 36:48
  a
• 36:48
  rooster
• 36:49
  for
• 36:49
  their
• 36:49
  riding
• 36:50
  crop.
• 36:50
  They
• 36:50
  tie
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  rooster's
• 36:51
  legs
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  their
• 36:52
  wrist
• 36:53
  so
• 36:53
  the
• 36:53
  rooster
• 36:54
  is
• 36:54
  tied
• 36:54
  to
• 36:54
  him.
• 36:54
  A
• 36:54
  live
• 36:54
  rooster.
• 36:55
  And
• 36:55
  that's
• 36:56
  what
• 36:56
  they
• 36:56
  used.
• 36:57
  And
• 36:58
  they
• 36:59
  spend
• 36:59
  all
• 37:00
  the
• 37:00
  money
• 37:00
  that
• 37:00
  they've
• 37:01
  made
• 37:01
  at
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  coast
• 37:02
  or
• 37:02
  doing
• 37:02
  whatever.
• 37:04
  Every
• 37:04
  family
• 37:04
  buys
• 37:05
  a
• 37:05
  cow
• 37:05
  that's
• 37:06
  like
• 37:06
  mandatory
• 37:07
  and
• 37:08
  that's
• 37:08
  parted
• 37:08
  up
• 37:08
  and
• 37:09
  whatever
• 37:09
  for
• 37:09
  feasts
• 37:10
  right
• 37:11
  over
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  course
• 37:11
  of
• 37:11
  that
• 37:12
  week.
• 37:12
  And
• 37:13
  then
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  guys
• 37:14
  all
• 37:15
  have.
• 37:15
  The
• 37:15
  tailors
• 37:16
  there
• 37:16
  are
• 37:16
  famous.
• 37:17
  They're
• 37:17
  most
• 37:17
  famous
• 37:18
  for
• 37:18
  this
• 37:18
  fabric
• 37:19
  that
• 37:19
  they
• 37:19
  make
• 37:19
  there.
• 37:20
  The
• 37:20
  guys
• 37:20
  have
• 37:20
  these
• 37:22
  insanely
• 37:22
  elaborate
• 37:24
  sort
• 37:24
  of
• 37:24
  conquistador
• 37:26
  disco
• 37:27
  outfits
• 37:27
  made
• 37:27
  sure.
• 37:28
  Okay.
• 37:28
  And
• 37:29
  that's
• 37:29
  it.
• 37:29
  And
• 37:29
  everyone's
• 37:30
  broke
• 37:30
  again.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:31
  all
• 37:31
  the
• 37:31
  men
• 37:31
  go
• 37:31
  back
• 37:31
  to
• 37:31
  the
• 37:32
  coast.
• 37:32
  Huh?
• 37:32
  And
• 37:33
  that's
• 37:33
  life.
• 37:33
  They
• 37:33
  do
• 37:34
  it
• 37:34
  all
• 37:34
  again.
• 37:34
  Yeah.
• 37:35
  Wow.
• 37:36
  Yeah.
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  was
• 37:37
  A
• 37:37
  coordinator
• 37:38
  for
• 37:38
  a
• 37:38
  school
• 37:39
  they
• 37:39
  had
• 37:39
  up
• 37:39
  there
• 37:39
  called
• 37:40
  El
• 37:40
  Proyecto
• 37:41
  Linguistico
• 37:42
  de
• 37:42
  Espanol.
• 37:43
  Imam.
• 37:44
  See,
• 37:44
  they've
• 37:45
  never
• 37:45
  had
• 37:45
  a
• 37:45
  written
• 37:45
  language
• 37:46
  up
• 37:46
  there.
• 37:46
  Mom
• 37:47
  is
• 37:47
  the
• 37:47
  name
• 37:47
  of
• 37:47
  the
• 37:47
  language.
• 37:48
  They've
• 37:48
  never
• 37:48
  had
• 37:48
  a
• 37:49
  written.
• 37:49
  So
• 37:50
  it's
• 37:50
  like
• 37:50
  tribal
• 37:51
  peoples.
• 37:51
  They're
• 37:51
  indigenous
• 37:52
  people,
• 37:52
  right?
• 37:52
  Indigenous,
• 37:53
  yeah.
• 37:53
  You
• 37:53
  know,
• 37:54
  none
• 37:54
  of
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  existing
• 37:55
  alphabets
• 37:55
  work
• 37:55
  for
• 37:55
  some
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  intricacies
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  language.
• 37:57
  Sure
• 37:57
  it
• 37:57
  is.
• 37:58
  It's
• 37:58
  a
• 37:59
  weird
• 37:59
  one.
• 37:59
  I
• 38:00
  remember
• 38:01
  means,
• 38:02
  may
• 38:02
  I
• 38:02
  have
• 38:02
  a
• 38:02
  cigarette?
• 38:03
  Well,
• 38:03
  you
• 38:04
  got
• 38:04
  that
• 38:04
  one
• 38:04
  down.
• 38:04
  Yeah.
• 38:05
  And
• 38:05
  they
• 38:05
  accepted
• 38:06
  you
• 38:06
  as
• 38:06
  if,
• 38:06
  like
• 38:07
  you.
• 38:07
  You
• 38:07
  were
• 38:07
  accepted
• 38:08
  in
• 38:09
  their
• 38:09
  friend
• 38:09
  groups
• 38:10
  and
• 38:10
  whatever.
• 38:10
  Or
• 38:11
  I'm
• 38:11
  just
• 38:11
  not
• 38:11
  an
• 38:12
  idiot
• 38:12
  and
• 38:12
  I
• 38:13
  understand
• 38:13
  how
• 38:13
  people
• 38:13
  work.
• 38:14
  So,
• 38:14
  yeah,
• 38:14
  they
• 38:15
  accepted
• 38:15
  me
• 38:15
  really
• 38:16
  well.
• 38:16
  But
• 38:17
  there
• 38:17
  was
• 38:17
  an
• 38:17
  incident
• 38:18
  very
• 38:18
  shortly
• 38:19
  after
• 38:19
  I
• 38:19
  left,
• 38:19
  within
• 38:19
  a
• 38:20
  month
• 38:20
  after
• 38:20
  I
• 38:20
  left,
• 38:21
  where
• 38:21
  a
• 38:21
  couple
• 38:21
  of
• 38:21
  Japanese
• 38:22
  tourists
• 38:22
  were
• 38:23
  killed
• 38:23
  like
• 38:24
  10
• 38:24
  minutes
• 38:24
  after
• 38:25
  getting
• 38:25
  off
• 38:25
  the
• 38:25
  bus.
• 38:25
  They
• 38:26
  had
• 38:26
  gotten.
• 38:27
  They
• 38:27
  had
• 38:27
  made
• 38:27
  so
• 38:28
  many
• 38:28
  mistakes
• 38:28
  that
• 38:29
  they
• 38:29
  had.
• 38:29
  There
• 38:29
  was
• 38:29
  like
• 38:29
  a
• 38:29
  mob
• 38:30
  riot
• 38:30
  and
• 38:31
  they
• 38:31
  killed
• 38:31
  this
• 38:32
  Jesus
• 38:33
  Christ
• 38:33
  woman
• 38:34
  and
• 38:35
  her
• 38:35
  husband.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:36
  basically
• 38:37
  the
• 38:37
  whole
• 38:37
  thing
• 38:37
  started
• 38:38
  because
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  woman
• 38:38
  got
• 38:39
  off
• 38:39
  the
• 38:39
  bus
• 38:39
  and
• 38:39
  immediately
• 38:40
  saw
• 38:40
  like
• 38:41
  some
• 38:41
  little
• 38:41
  kid
• 38:42
  around,
• 38:42
  was
• 38:42
  like,
• 38:42
  oh,
• 38:42
  he's
• 38:42
  so
• 38:43
  cute,
• 38:43
  and
• 38:43
  picked
• 38:43
  him
• 38:43
  up.
• 38:44
  And
• 38:44
  the
• 38:45
  biggest
• 38:45
  fear
• 38:46
  they
• 38:46
  have
• 38:47
  of
• 38:47
  Americans
• 38:47
  especially,
• 38:48
  but
• 38:48
  anyone
• 38:49
  foreign,
• 38:49
  right,
• 38:50
  is
• 38:50
  that
• 38:50
  you're
• 38:51
  there
• 38:51
  to
• 38:51
  steal
• 38:51
  their
• 38:51
  children's
• 38:52
  organs.
• 38:53
  Don't.
• 38:53
  I
• 38:53
  don't
• 38:53
  know
• 38:53
  where
• 38:54
  that
• 38:54
  came
• 38:54
  from.
• 38:55
  They.
• 38:55
  They
• 38:56
  believe
• 38:56
  it
• 38:56
  totally.
• 38:57
  And
• 38:57
  this,
• 38:57
  like,
• 38:58
  foreign
• 38:58
  looking
• 38:59
  person
• 38:59
  jumped
• 38:59
  off
• 38:59
  and
• 39:00
  grabbed
• 39:00
  a
• 39:00
  kid
• 39:00
  immediately,
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  they
• 39:02
  just
• 39:02
  exploded.
• 39:03
  They
• 39:03
  both
• 39:03
  ended
• 39:04
  up
• 39:04
  dead.
• 39:04
  Wow.
• 39:05
  Yeah.
• 39:06
  Hey.
• 39:07
  Yeah.
• 39:07
  Yeah.
• 39:08
  Are
• 39:08
  you
• 39:09
  still
• 39:09
  with
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  woman
• 39:09
  at
• 39:09
  this
• 39:09
  time?
• 39:10
  Oh,
• 39:11
  no.
• 39:11
  She
• 39:11
  met
• 39:12
  some
• 39:12
  guy
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  I
• 39:13
  remember
• 39:13
  the
• 39:13
  guy
• 39:13
  had
• 39:14
  a
• 39:14
  moped
• 39:14
  too.
• 39:14
  It
• 39:14
  was
• 39:15
  pretty
• 39:15
  cool,
• 39:15
  sweet.
• 39:16
  And.
• 39:17
  Yeah,
• 39:17
  he
• 39:17
  scooted
• 39:18
  her
• 39:18
  out
• 39:18
  of
• 39:18
  town.
• 39:19
  And
• 39:19
  scooted
• 39:20
  her
• 39:20
  out
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  town.
• 39:21
  I
• 39:21
  left
• 39:21
  the
• 39:21
  school,
• 39:23
  met
• 39:23
  a
• 39:23
  kind
• 39:23
  of
• 39:23
  a
• 39:23
  big
• 39:24
  group
• 39:24
  of
• 39:24
  people.
• 39:24
  We
• 39:24
  traveled
• 39:25
  around
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  the
• 39:25
  rest
• 39:25
  of
• 39:26
  Central
• 39:27
  America
• 39:27
  mostly
• 39:28
  and
• 39:29
  had
• 39:29
  some
• 39:29
  amazing
• 39:30
  adventures.
• 39:30
  Good
• 39:30
  times.
• 39:31
  Lots
• 39:31
  of
• 39:32
  fun,
• 39:32
  man.
• 39:32
  Right?
• 39:32
  Lots
• 39:33
  of
• 39:33
  fun.
• 39:34
  Then
• 39:36
  along
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  way,
• 39:37
  I
• 39:37
  acquired
• 39:38
  this
• 39:38
  dog
• 39:39
  that
• 39:39
  was
• 39:40
  a
• 39:40
  Dogo
• 39:41
  Argentino,
• 39:41
  which
• 39:42
  is.
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  don't
• 39:43
  know
• 39:43
  if
• 39:43
  you
• 39:43
  know
• 39:43
  them
• 39:43
  or
• 39:43
  not,
• 39:43
  but
• 39:44
  they're
• 39:44
  big
• 39:44
  dogs,
• 39:45
  okay?
• 39:45
  They're
• 39:45
  like
• 39:45
  all
• 39:46
  white,
• 39:46
  super
• 39:46
  short
• 39:47
  hair.
• 39:47
  People
• 39:47
  always
• 39:47
  mix
• 39:48
  them
• 39:48
  up
• 39:48
  with
• 39:48
  pit
• 39:48
  bulls.
• 39:49
  I
• 39:49
  was
• 39:49
  in
• 39:49
  the
• 39:49
  way,
• 39:49
  way
• 39:50
  Tanango,
• 39:50
  this
• 39:50
  town.
• 39:51
  I
• 39:51
  walked
• 39:52
  by
• 39:52
  a
• 39:52
  pet
• 39:52
  shop
• 39:53
  and
• 39:53
  they
• 39:53
  had
• 39:53
  a
• 39:53
  litter,
• 39:54
  and
• 39:54
  there
• 39:54
  was
• 39:54
  this
• 39:54
  one
• 39:54
  that
• 39:55
  was
• 39:55
  like,
• 39:55
  looked
• 39:55
  like
• 39:55
  a
• 39:55
  little
• 39:56
  rat,
• 39:56
  like,
• 39:56
  laying
• 39:57
  all
• 39:57
  splayed
• 39:57
  out
• 39:58
  by
• 39:58
  himself.
• 39:59
  And
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  was
• 40:00
  like,
• 40:00
  oh,
• 40:00
  what's
• 40:00
  gonna
• 40:00
  happen
• 40:01
  to
• 40:01
  that
• 40:01
  one?
• 40:01
  And
• 40:01
  the
• 40:01
  guy
• 40:02
  was
• 40:02
  like,
• 40:02
  I'll
• 40:02
  probably
• 40:02
  drown
• 40:03
  him.
• 40:04
  And
• 40:04
  I
• 40:04
  was
• 40:04
  like,
• 40:05
  oh,
• 40:05
  I'll
• 40:05
  take
• 40:05
  him
• 40:06
  then.
• 40:06
  And
• 40:06
  he
• 40:06
  was
• 40:06
  like,
• 40:06
  all
• 40:07
  right,
• 40:07
  7,000
• 40:07
  quetzales,
• 40:09
  which
• 40:09
  is
• 40:10
  13.
• 40:10
  Right.
• 40:11
  And
• 40:11
  I
• 40:11
  was
• 40:12
  like,
• 40:12
  it.
• 40:12
  Okay,
• 40:13
  right.
• 40:13
  So
• 40:14
  I
• 40:14
  bought
• 40:14
  him.
• 40:14
  And
• 40:15
  he
• 40:15
  was
• 40:15
  so
• 40:15
  little.
• 40:16
  We
• 40:16
  used
• 40:16
  to.
• 40:16
  I
• 40:17
  used
• 40:17
  to
• 40:17
  carry
• 40:17
  him
• 40:17
  in
• 40:17
  a
• 40:18
  bag
• 40:18
  for
• 40:18
  a
• 40:18
  long
• 40:18
  time.
• 40:19
  He
• 40:19
  would
• 40:19
  fit
• 40:19
  in
• 40:19
  that
• 40:20
  bag.
• 40:20
  And
• 40:21
  we
• 40:22
  started
• 40:22
  hitchhiking
• 40:23
  and
• 40:23
  we
• 40:23
  hitchhiked
• 40:23
  from
• 40:24
  San
• 40:24
  Jose,
• 40:24
  Costa
• 40:25
  Rica,
• 40:25
  to
• 40:25
  Phoenix,
• 40:25
  Arizona.
• 40:26
  Wow.
• 40:27
  Yeah,
• 40:27
  it
• 40:27
  was
• 40:28
  pretty
• 40:28
  awesome.
• 40:29
  With
• 40:29
  dog.
• 40:30
  Yeah.
• 40:30
  What
• 40:30
  was
• 40:30
  the
• 40:31
  dog's
• 40:31
  name?
• 40:31
  Clavo.
• 40:33
  And
• 40:33
  everyone
• 40:33
  always
• 40:33
  made
• 40:34
  a
• 40:34
  joke
• 40:34
  about
• 40:34
  that
• 40:34
  because
• 40:35
  they
• 40:35
  use
• 40:35
  a
• 40:36
  lot
• 40:36
  of
• 40:36
  diminutives
• 40:36
  and
• 40:36
  demonstratives
• 40:38
  and
• 40:38
  the
• 40:38
  way
• 40:38
  they
• 40:38
  speak
• 40:39
  there.
• 40:39
  Right,
• 40:39
  right.
• 40:40
  And
• 40:40
  so
• 40:40
  everyone
• 40:41
  always
• 40:41
  said,
• 40:41
  oh,
• 40:41
  right
• 40:42
  now
• 40:42
  he's
• 40:42
  a
• 40:42
  club.
• 40:44
  Like
• 40:44
  just
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  little
• 40:44
  clavo.
• 40:45
  But
• 40:45
  clavo
• 40:45
  means
• 40:46
  nail.
• 40:46
  Okay.
• 40:46
  But
• 40:47
  it's
• 40:47
  also
• 40:47
  slang
• 40:47
  for
• 40:48
  problem.
• 40:49
  And
• 40:49
  they
• 40:49
  were
• 40:49
  like,
• 40:49
  you
• 40:49
  know,
• 40:50
  eventually
• 40:50
  he's
• 40:50
  going
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  become
• 40:51
  a
• 40:51
  clavo.
• 40:52
  That's
• 40:52
  a
• 40:52
  good
• 40:52
  name.
• 40:53
  And
• 40:53
  a
• 40:53
  clavone,
• 40:54
  like
• 40:54
  a
• 40:54
  huge
• 40:54
  problem.
• 40:55
  Right,
• 40:55
  right,
• 40:55
  right.
• 40:55
  It
• 40:56
  happened.
• 40:56
  Right.
• 40:57
  Well,
• 40:57
  it's
• 40:57
  a
• 40:58
  good
• 40:58
  name
• 40:58
  in
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  case.
• 40:59
  Yeah.
• 40:59
  He
• 41:00
  was
• 41:00
  a
• 41:00
  great
• 41:00
  dog.
• 41:01
  So
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  get
• 41:01
  to
• 41:01
  Phoenix.
• 41:02
  It's
• 41:02
  a
• 41:02
  Phoenix.
• 41:03
  Go
• 41:03
  to
• 41:03
  California.
• 41:04
  Right.
• 41:04
  My
• 41:04
  grandmother
• 41:05
  dies
• 41:05
  in
• 41:06
  Ohio,
• 41:06
  in
• 41:07
  Marion,
• 41:07
  Ohio.
• 41:07
  Okay.
• 41:08
  And
• 41:09
  drive
• 41:10
  back
• 41:10
  for
• 41:11
  that
• 41:11
  funeral.
• 41:12
  Stay
• 41:12
  here
• 41:13
  for
• 41:13
  about
• 41:13
  six
• 41:13
  months.
• 41:14
  Go
• 41:14
  to
• 41:14
  New
• 41:14
  York.
• 41:16
  Really
• 41:16
  at
• 41:16
  this
• 41:17
  point,
• 41:17
  like,
• 41:17
  it's
• 41:17
  very
• 41:18
  culture
• 41:18
  shock
• 41:19
  being
• 41:19
  back
• 41:20
  in
• 41:20
  the
• 41:20
  United
• 41:20
  States
• 41:20
  at
• 41:20
  all.
• 41:21
  And
• 41:21
  you
• 41:22
  were
• 41:22
  gone
• 41:22
  for
• 41:22
  what,
• 41:22
  two,
• 41:22
  three
• 41:23
  years?
• 41:23
  Yeah.
• 41:23
  Okay.
• 41:24
  And
• 41:24
  New
• 41:24
  York
• 41:24
  was
• 41:25
  just
• 41:25
  overload.
• 41:27
  And
• 41:27
  I
• 41:28
  went
• 41:28
  from
• 41:28
  there.
• 41:28
  I
• 41:29
  texted
• 41:29
  a
• 41:30
  friend
• 41:30
  or
• 41:30
  called
• 41:31
  a
• 41:31
  friend
• 41:31
  who
• 41:32
  had
• 41:32
  crashed
• 41:33
  on
• 41:33
  my
• 41:33
  couch
• 41:33
  in
• 41:33
  Minneapolis
• 41:34
  for
• 41:34
  about
• 41:34
  a
• 41:34
  year.
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  was
• 41:35
  like,
• 41:35
  I
• 41:36
  gotta
• 41:36
  get
• 41:36
  out
• 41:36
  of
• 41:36
  New
• 41:36
  York.
• 41:37
  My
• 41:37
  friend
• 41:37
  lived
• 41:37
  in
• 41:37
  Vermont.
• 41:38
  I
• 41:39
  went
• 41:39
  up
• 41:39
  there
• 41:40
  to
• 41:40
  stay
• 41:41
  with
• 41:41
  him.
• 41:41
  And
• 41:42
  if
• 41:42
  they're.
• 41:43
  If
• 41:43
  you're
• 41:43
  ever
• 41:43
  coming
• 41:44
  back
• 41:44
  from
• 41:44
  Guatemala
• 41:44
  and
• 41:45
  feel
• 41:45
  culture
• 41:45
  shocked,
• 41:46
  Vermont
• 41:46
  is
• 41:46
  really.
• 41:47
  You
• 41:47
  know,
• 41:48
  I
• 41:48
  think
• 41:48
  Vermont's
• 41:48
  good
• 41:49
  for
• 41:49
  a
• 41:49
  lot
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  different
• 41:50
  kind
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  things.
• 41:50
  I
• 41:50
  think
• 41:51
  it's
• 41:51
  just
• 41:51
  a
• 41:51
  chill
• 41:51
  place
• 41:52
  to.
• 41:52
  Yeah.
• 41:52
  There's
• 41:53
  some
• 41:54
  soul.
• 41:55
  Killingly
• 41:55
  awful
• 41:55
  things
• 41:56
  about
• 41:56
  it,
• 41:56
  I
• 41:56
  think
• 41:56
  as
• 41:56
  well.
• 41:57
  But
• 41:57
  it's
• 41:57
  mostly.
• 41:57
  You
• 41:58
  say
• 41:58
  that
• 41:58
  about
• 41:58
  almost
• 41:58
  anywhere.
• 41:59
  Yeah,
• 41:59
  yeah,
• 42:00
  sure,
• 42:00
  yeah.
• 42:02
  Staying
• 42:02
  in
• 42:03
  Vermont
• 42:03
  for
• 42:03
  a
• 42:03
  while.
• 42:03
  Opened
• 42:04
  up
• 42:04
  a
• 42:04
  record
• 42:04
  store.
• 42:04
  My
• 42:05
  little
• 42:05
  brother
• 42:05
  flew
• 42:06
  out
• 42:06
  to
• 42:06
  help
• 42:07
  me
• 42:07
  run
• 42:07
  it.
• 42:07
  Fell
• 42:08
  in
• 42:08
  love
• 42:08
  with
• 42:08
  Vermont.
• 42:08
  He
• 42:09
  still
• 42:09
  lives
• 42:09
  there
• 42:09
  now
• 42:10
  and
• 42:11
  met
• 42:12
  this
• 42:12
  girl,
• 42:14
  had
• 42:14
  a
• 42:15
  real
• 42:15
  textbook
• 42:16
  affair.
• 42:17
  Her
• 42:17
  husband
• 42:17
  was
• 42:17
  like
• 42:17
  a
• 42:18
  super
• 42:18
  rich
• 42:18
  dude
• 42:19
  and
• 42:19
  stuff
• 42:19
  like
• 42:19
  that.
• 42:21
  And
• 42:22
  eventually
• 42:23
  she
• 42:24
  left
• 42:24
  him
• 42:24
  and
• 42:25
  we
• 42:25
  got
• 42:25
  married.
• 42:26
  How
• 42:26
  long
• 42:26
  did
• 42:26
  it
• 42:26
  take
• 42:27
  for
• 42:27
  like.
• 42:28
  So
• 42:28
  she's
• 42:29
  cheating
• 42:29
  on
• 42:29
  her
• 42:29
  husband
• 42:29
  for
• 42:29
  a
• 42:30
  while,
• 42:30
  but
• 42:30
  how
• 42:30
  long
• 42:30
  did
• 42:30
  it
• 42:30
  take?
• 42:31
  From
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  beginning
• 42:32
  of
• 42:32
  the
• 42:32
  Affair
• 42:32
  to
• 42:33
  the.
• 42:33
  Leaving
• 42:34
  the
• 42:34
  guy.
• 42:34
  Well,
• 42:35
  when
• 42:36
  we
• 42:36
  started,
• 42:36
  I
• 42:36
  think
• 42:36
  we
• 42:37
  kind
• 42:37
  of
• 42:37
  like
• 42:37
  meeting,
• 42:38
  like,
• 42:38
  if
• 42:38
  this
• 42:38
  is
• 42:38
  still
• 42:38
  going
• 42:38
  on
• 42:39
  in
• 42:39
  two
• 42:39
  years,
• 42:39
  we
• 42:39
  gotta
• 42:40
  get
• 42:40
  together.
• 42:40
  And
• 42:40
  then
• 42:41
  it
• 42:41
  became
• 42:41
  a
• 42:41
  year
• 42:41
  and
• 42:41
  a
• 42:42
  half,
• 42:42
  and
• 42:42
  then
• 42:42
  a
• 42:43
  year,
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  think
• 42:43
  it
• 42:43
  was
• 42:43
  about
• 42:43
  eight
• 42:44
  months.
• 42:44
  And
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  husband
• 42:44
  never
• 42:45
  knew
• 42:45
  we
• 42:45
  got
• 42:45
  together.
• 42:46
  Never
• 42:46
  knew
• 42:46
  until
• 42:47
  I
• 42:47
  drove
• 42:47
  her
• 42:47
  up
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  Montreal,
• 42:49
  because
• 42:49
  he
• 42:50
  was
• 42:50
  at
• 42:50
  their
• 42:50
  Montreal
• 42:51
  house
• 42:52
  at
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  time
• 42:53
  and.
• 42:54
  Or
• 42:55
  he
• 42:55
  was
• 42:55
  coming
• 42:55
  back
• 42:56
  there
• 42:56
  from
• 42:56
  some
• 42:57
  overseas
• 42:58
  trip.
• 42:58
  Right.
• 42:59
  So
• 42:59
  she.
• 43:00
  We
• 43:00
  went
• 43:00
  back
• 43:00
  to
• 43:01
  Montreal
• 43:01
  day
• 43:01
  before.
• 43:01
  I
• 43:01
  helped
• 43:02
  her
• 43:02
  pack
• 43:02
  all
• 43:02
  her
• 43:02
  shit
• 43:02
  up,
• 43:02
  and
• 43:03
  then
• 43:03
  I
• 43:03
  went
• 43:03
  and
• 43:03
  sat
• 43:03
  in
• 43:03
  a
• 43:04
  bar
• 43:04
  while
• 43:04
  she
• 43:04
  waited
• 43:05
  for
• 43:05
  him
• 43:05
  to
• 43:05
  come
• 43:05
  home.
• 43:05
  And
• 43:06
  she
• 43:06
  was
• 43:06
  like,
• 43:06
  believe
• 43:06
  in
• 43:07
  you.
• 43:08
  Came
• 43:08
  down,
• 43:08
  met
• 43:08
  me
• 43:09
  at
• 43:09
  the
• 43:09
  bar
• 43:09
  and
• 43:09
  threw
• 43:09
  all
• 43:10
  her
• 43:10
  shit
• 43:10
  in
• 43:10
  the
• 43:10
  car
• 43:10
  and
• 43:10
  left.
• 43:11
  Wow.
• 43:12
  And
• 43:13
  stayed
• 43:13
  together
• 43:13
  for
• 43:14
  22
• 43:14
  years.
• 43:14
  Something
• 43:15
  like
• 43:15
  that.
• 43:15
  Wow.
• 43:15
  No
• 43:15
  shit.
• 43:16
  No,
• 43:16
  no,
• 43:16
  no.
• 43:16
  Sorry.
• 43:17
  Longer
• 43:17
  than
• 43:18
  that.
• 43:18
  Longer
• 43:19
  than
• 43:19
  that,
• 43:19
  because
• 43:19
  my
• 43:19
  daughter's
• 43:20
  22
• 43:20
  now,
• 43:21
  so.
• 43:21
  Wow.
• 43:22
  And
• 43:22
  when
• 43:23
  she
• 43:23
  got
• 43:23
  pregnant,
• 43:24
  I
• 43:24
  didn't
• 43:25
  want
• 43:25
  my
• 43:25
  kid
• 43:25
  to
• 43:26
  be
• 43:26
  raised
• 43:26
  in
• 43:26
  Vermont,
• 43:27
  and
• 43:27
  I
• 43:27
  did
• 43:28
  want
• 43:28
  my
• 43:28
  kid
• 43:28
  to
• 43:28
  be
• 43:28
  raised
• 43:29
  in
• 43:29
  New
• 43:30
  York.
• 43:30
  We
• 43:31
  ended
• 43:31
  up
• 43:31
  in
• 43:31
  Washington
• 43:32
  Heights,
• 43:32
  which
• 43:32
  is
• 43:32
  probably
• 43:33
  about
• 43:33
  as
• 43:34
  tough
• 43:34
  as
• 43:34
  you're
• 43:34
  gonna
• 43:34
  get
• 43:35
  in
• 43:36
  New
• 43:36
  York.
• 43:37
  Manhattan,
• 43:37
  anyway.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:38
  Still.
• 43:39
  Still,
• 43:39
  yeah.
• 43:39
  It's
• 43:40
  cleaned
• 43:40
  up
• 43:40
  quite
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  bit.
• 43:41
  Oh,
• 43:41
  yeah.
• 43:41
  I
• 43:41
  mean,
• 43:42
  before
• 43:42
  I
• 43:42
  got
• 43:42
  there,
• 43:44
  that's
• 43:44
  what
• 43:44
  they
• 43:44
  shoot
• 43:45
  cops
• 43:45
  up
• 43:45
  there.
• 43:45
  Era,
• 43:46
  Even
• 43:46
  Harlem's,
• 43:47
  like,
• 43:47
  cleaned
• 43:47
  up
• 43:48
  quite
• 43:48
  a
• 43:48
  bit.
• 43:49
  Right
• 43:50
  before
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  left
• 43:50
  New
• 43:51
  York,
• 43:51
  I
• 43:51
  was
• 43:51
  in
• 43:52
  Harlem,
• 43:53
  right
• 43:53
  on
• 43:53
  110th
• 43:54
  and
• 43:54
  2nd
• 43:54
  Avenue.
• 43:55
  Oh,
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  was
• 43:55
  right.
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  think
• 43:55
  we
• 43:56
  talked
• 43:56
  about
• 43:56
  this.
• 43:56
  I
• 43:56
  was
• 43:56
  right
• 43:56
  near
• 43:56
  there.
• 43:57
  I
• 43:57
  was
• 43:57
  on.
• 43:57
  In
• 43:57
  East
• 43:57
  Harlem
• 43:58
  at.
• 43:59
  What
• 43:59
  was
• 43:59
  it,
• 43:59
  116th
• 44:01
  between
• 44:01
  second
• 44:01
  and
• 44:02
  first.
• 44:02
  And
• 44:02
  second.
• 44:02
  That's
• 44:03
  right.
• 44:03
  Yeah.
• 44:03
  I
• 44:03
  remember
• 44:04
  they
• 44:04
  were
• 44:04
  calling
• 44:04
  it
• 44:04
  Spaja.
• 44:05
  They
• 44:05
  were
• 44:05
  trying
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  rebrand
• 44:06
  Spanish
• 44:07
  Harlem
• 44:07
  into
• 44:07
  spaja
• 44:08
  back
• 44:08
  then.
• 44:10
  It
• 44:10
  didn't
• 44:10
  take.
• 44:10
  It
• 44:10
  didn't
• 44:11
  take.
• 44:12
  No,
• 44:12
  no.
• 44:12
  There
• 44:12
  was
• 44:12
  a
• 44:13
  spaja
• 44:13
  cafe
• 44:13
  near
• 44:14
  us,
• 44:14
  which
• 44:14
  was
• 44:14
  just
• 44:14
  like,
• 44:14
  what
• 44:15
  are
• 44:15
  you
• 44:15
  doing?
• 44:15
  What
• 44:15
  are
• 44:15
  you
• 44:15
  doing?
• 44:16
  Spa.
• 44:17
  Yeah.
• 44:18
  So
• 44:18
  you're
• 44:18
  raising
• 44:18
  the
• 44:18
  kid
• 44:18
  in.
• 44:19
  In
• 44:19
  Washington
• 44:20
  Heights.
• 44:21
  Yeah.
• 44:21
  And
• 44:21
  I,
• 44:21
  you
• 44:22
  know,
• 44:22
  I
• 44:22
  got
• 44:22
  rid
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  the
• 44:23
  record
• 44:23
  store.
• 44:23
  My
• 44:24
  wife
• 44:24
  is
• 44:24
  a
• 44:24
  medical
• 44:24
  professional.
• 44:25
  She,
• 44:26
  you
• 44:27
  know,
• 44:27
  her
• 44:27
  career
• 44:28
  was
• 44:28
  really
• 44:28
  moving
• 44:28
  forward.
• 44:29
  Okay.
• 44:29
  I
• 44:29
  sold
• 44:29
  the
• 44:30
  record
• 44:30
  store
• 44:30
  and
• 44:30
  I
• 44:30
  spent.
• 44:31
  I
• 44:31
  said,
• 44:31
  I'm
• 44:32
  gonna
• 44:32
  spend
• 44:32
  the
• 44:32
  first
• 44:32
  two
• 44:33
  years
• 44:33
  of
• 44:34
  our
• 44:34
  daughter's
• 44:34
  life
• 44:34
  with
• 44:35
  her
• 44:35
  every
• 44:35
  single
• 44:36
  day.
• 44:36
  Okay.
• 44:36
  And
• 44:36
  I
• 44:37
  did.
• 44:37
  Sure.
• 44:37
  For
• 44:38
  two
• 44:38
  years,
• 44:38
  man.
• 44:39
  We
• 44:39
  would.
• 44:39
  Every
• 44:39
  single
• 44:40
  day,
• 44:40
  like,
• 44:40
  while
• 44:40
  she
• 44:40
  was
• 44:40
  learning
• 44:41
  how
• 44:41
  to
• 44:41
  talk
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  everything
• 44:41
  would
• 44:42
  just
• 44:42
  walk
• 44:42
  around
• 44:42
  New
• 44:42
  York
• 44:42
  City.
• 44:43
  We'd
• 44:43
  go
• 44:43
  to
• 44:43
  Central
• 44:43
  park
• 44:43
  every
• 44:44
  day.
• 44:44
  We'd
• 44:44
  go
• 44:44
  to.
• 44:45
  You
• 44:45
  know,
• 44:45
  took
• 44:45
  her
• 44:45
  to
• 44:46
  the
• 44:46
  mad.
• 44:46
  Never,
• 44:46
  like,
• 44:47
  all
• 44:47
  that
• 44:47
  it's
• 44:47
  awesome
• 44:48
  kind
• 44:48
  of
• 44:48
  stuff.
• 44:48
  And
• 44:49
  she's
• 44:50
  a
• 44:50
  very
• 44:50
  sophisticated
• 44:51
  young
• 44:51
  woman.
• 44:52
  Great
• 44:52
  palette.
• 44:53
  She
• 44:53
  loves
• 44:54
  to
• 44:54
  eat,
• 44:55
  and
• 44:55
  she
• 44:55
  loves
• 44:55
  to
• 44:56
  cook.
• 44:56
  Tons
• 44:57
  of
• 44:57
  fun.
• 44:57
  She's
• 44:57
  still
• 44:57
  in
• 44:58
  New
• 44:58
  York.
• 44:58
  Yeah.
• 44:59
  Right
• 44:59
  on.
• 45:00
  I
• 45:00
  continued
• 45:01
  butchering
• 45:02
  during
• 45:03
  this
• 45:03
  whole
• 45:03
  time,
• 45:03
  getting
• 45:04
  better
• 45:04
  and
• 45:04
  better
• 45:04
  and
• 45:05
  better.
• 45:05
  And
• 45:06
  in
• 45:06
  New
• 45:06
  York,
• 45:06
  I
• 45:06
  ended
• 45:07
  up
• 45:07
  working
• 45:07
  in
• 45:07
  a
• 45:07
  place
• 45:07
  called
• 45:07
  Harlem
• 45:08
  Shamble,
• 45:09
  which
• 45:09
  at
• 45:09
  the
• 45:09
  time
• 45:10
  was
• 45:10
  arguably
• 45:11
  one
• 45:11
  of
• 45:11
  the
• 45:11
  three
• 45:11
  best
• 45:11
  butcher
• 45:12
  shops
• 45:12
  in
• 45:12
  the
• 45:12
  country.
• 45:13
  Okay.
• 45:14
  And,
• 45:14
  you
• 45:14
  know,
• 45:14
  we
• 45:15
  had
• 45:15
  a
• 45:15
  lot
• 45:15
  of
• 45:16
  press
• 45:16
  and
• 45:16
  stuff
• 45:17
  like
• 45:17
  that.
• 45:17
  Sure.
• 45:17
  A
• 45:18
  lot
• 45:18
  of
• 45:18
  interviews
• 45:18
  and
• 45:18
  used
• 45:19
  to
• 45:19
  speak
• 45:19
  at,
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  know,
• 45:20
  school
• 45:21
  events
• 45:21
  all
• 45:21
  the
• 45:21
  time,
• 45:22
  things
• 45:22
  like
• 45:22
  that.
• 45:22
  It
• 45:23
  was.
• 45:23
  It
• 45:23
  was
• 45:24
  wonderful.
• 45:24
  Like,
• 45:25
  finally,
• 45:25
  like,
• 45:26
  dealing.
• 45:27
  I
• 45:27
  mean,
• 45:27
  we
• 45:27
  bought
• 45:28
  cows.
• 45:29
  That
• 45:29
  was
• 45:29
  it.
• 45:29
  That's
• 45:30
  how
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  shop
• 45:30
  worked.
• 45:30
  Right.
• 45:31
  Bought
• 45:31
  cows,
• 45:31
  we
• 45:31
  took
• 45:32
  them
• 45:32
  apart.
• 45:32
  We
• 45:33
  aged
• 45:33
  everything.
• 45:34
  It
• 45:34
  was
• 45:35
  one
• 45:36
  of
• 45:36
  the
• 45:36
  greatest
• 45:36
  honors
• 45:36
  in
• 45:37
  my
• 45:37
  life.
• 45:37
  It's
• 45:37
  also
• 45:37
  cool
• 45:38
  that,
• 45:38
  like,
• 45:38
  this
• 45:38
  thing
• 45:38
  that
• 45:38
  kind
• 45:39
  of
• 45:39
  started
• 45:39
  as
• 45:39
  a
• 45:39
  fluke,
• 45:40
  in
• 45:40
  a
• 45:40
  way
• 45:40
  in
• 45:40
  Minneapolis,
• 45:41
  kind
• 45:41
  of
• 45:41
  came
• 45:41
  full
• 45:41
  circle
• 45:42
  into.
• 45:42
  Yeah,
• 45:43
  yeah.
• 45:43
  Well,
• 45:43
  I
• 45:44
  just
• 45:44
  became
• 45:44
  so
• 45:45
  obsessed
• 45:45
  with
• 45:46
  the
• 45:47
  anatomy
• 45:48
  of
• 45:48
  the
• 45:49
  animal
• 45:49
  and
• 45:49
  learning
• 45:50
  it
• 45:50
  and
• 45:50
  just
• 45:50
  how
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  insights
• 45:52
  you
• 45:52
  can
• 45:53
  get,
• 45:53
  you
• 45:53
  know,
• 45:53
  like,
• 45:53
  your
• 45:54
  muscles
• 45:54
  are
• 45:54
  exactly
• 45:55
  the
• 45:55
  same
• 45:55
  as
• 45:55
  a
• 45:55
  cows,
• 45:56
  except
• 45:56
  for
• 45:56
  your
• 45:56
  collarbone.
• 45:57
  Sure.
• 45:57
  A
• 45:58
  whale's
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  same.
• 45:58
  You
• 45:59
  know,
• 45:59
  I
• 45:59
  can
• 45:59
  take
• 45:59
  apart
• 46:00
  any
• 46:00
  mammal
• 46:01
  now.
• 46:01
  And
• 46:01
  I
• 46:02
  understand
• 46:02
  the
• 46:02
  way,
• 46:03
  you
• 46:03
  know,
• 46:04
  that
• 46:04
  all
• 46:04
  of
• 46:04
  it
• 46:04
  functions
• 46:05
  together,
• 46:05
  and
• 46:05
  it's
• 46:05
  just
• 46:05
  fascinating.
• 46:06
  Right.
• 46:07
  And.
• 46:08
  And
• 46:08
  I
• 46:08
  was
• 46:08
  good
• 46:09
  at
• 46:09
  it.
• 46:09
  I
• 46:09
  really,
• 46:09
  really
• 46:10
  enjoyed
• 46:10
  it.
• 46:10
  Interesting
• 46:11
  that
• 46:11
  your.
• 46:12
  Your
• 46:12
  ex
• 46:12
  wife's
• 46:12
  also
• 46:13
  in,
• 46:13
  like,
• 46:13
  the
• 46:13
  medical
• 46:13
  field,
• 46:14
  which
• 46:14
  is
• 46:14
  kind
• 46:14
  of
• 46:14
  a
• 46:14
  weird
• 46:15
  connection
• 46:15
  in
• 46:15
  a
• 46:16
  way.
• 46:16
  Yeah.
• 46:16
  I
• 46:16
  always
• 46:18
  refer
• 46:18
  to
• 46:19
  myself
• 46:19
  now
• 46:19
  when
• 46:19
  I'm
• 46:20
  in
• 46:20
  pain.
• 46:20
  I'm
• 46:20
  always
• 46:20
  thinking,
• 46:21
  my
• 46:21
  eye
• 46:21
  round
• 46:22
  hurts
• 46:22
  or
• 46:22
  my
• 46:22
  flat
• 46:23
  iron's
• 46:23
  killing
• 46:23
  me.
• 46:24
  Right.
• 46:24
  Like,
• 46:24
  you
• 46:24
  start
• 46:25
  seeing
• 46:25
  all
• 46:26
  those
• 46:26
  cuts
• 46:26
  and
• 46:26
  everything.
• 46:27
  Rump
• 46:27
  roast
• 46:27
  is
• 46:28
  sore
• 46:28
  today.
• 46:30
  Yeah.
• 46:31
  How
• 46:31
  long
• 46:31
  were
• 46:31
  you
• 46:31
  in
• 46:31
  there
• 46:32
  for?
• 46:32
  10
• 46:32
  years,
• 46:32
  15
• 46:32
  years.
• 46:33
  We
• 46:33
  moved
• 46:33
  there
• 46:33
  when
• 46:34
  Lila
• 46:34
  was
• 46:34
  less
• 46:35
  than
• 46:35
  one.
• 46:36
  I
• 46:36
  moved
• 46:37
  away
• 46:37
  seven
• 46:38
  months
• 46:38
  ago
• 46:38
  or
• 46:38
  whatever.
• 46:39
  Oh,
• 46:39
  seven
• 46:39
  months
• 46:39
  ago.
• 46:39
  All
• 46:39
  right.
• 46:40
  Yeah.
• 46:40
  So
• 46:40
  we
• 46:40
  were
• 46:40
  there
• 46:41
  for
• 46:41
  20,
• 46:42
  I
• 46:42
  think,
• 46:42
  21
• 46:43
  years
• 46:43
  total.
• 46:44
  Wow.
• 46:44
  A
• 46:44
  lot
• 46:44
  of
• 46:44
  changes
• 46:45
  in
• 46:45
  those
• 46:45
  21
• 46:46
  years.
• 46:46
  Yeah.
• 46:47
  And
• 46:47
  obviously,
• 46:47
  I
• 46:48
  mean,
• 46:48
  I
• 46:48
  worked
• 46:49
  with
• 46:49
  a
• 46:49
  gallery
• 46:49
  during
• 46:50
  the
• 46:50
  time
• 46:50
  I
• 46:50
  was
• 46:50
  there.
• 46:51
  I
• 46:51
  was
• 46:51
  in
• 46:51
  a
• 46:51
  great
• 46:52
  band
• 46:52
  called
• 46:52
  as
• 46:52
  Falcon
• 46:53
  while
• 46:53
  I
• 46:53
  was
• 46:54
  there
• 46:54
  and
• 46:54
  got
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  do,
• 46:55
  you
• 46:55
  know,
• 46:55
  a
• 46:55
  million
• 46:56
  amazing
• 46:56
  shows.
• 46:57
  And
• 46:58
  one
• 46:58
  of
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  other
• 46:59
  things
• 46:59
  I
• 46:59
  always
• 46:59
  wanted
• 46:59
  to
• 46:59
  do
• 47:00
  was
• 47:00
  I
• 47:01
  went
• 47:01
  and
• 47:02
  learned
• 47:02
  kosher
• 47:03
  butchering
• 47:04
  in
• 47:04
  Crown
• 47:04
  Heights
• 47:05
  in
• 47:05
  a
• 47:05
  totally
• 47:06
  Hasidic,
• 47:06
  you
• 47:07
  know,
• 47:07
  neighborhood.
• 47:08
  And
• 47:09
  it
• 47:10
  was
• 47:10
  an
• 47:10
  amazing
• 47:11
  experience.
• 47:12
  I
• 47:12
  definitely
• 47:12
  came
• 47:13
  away
• 47:13
  from
• 47:13
  it
• 47:13
  feeling
• 47:13
  that,
• 47:14
  you
• 47:15
  know,
• 47:15
  kosher
• 47:16
  meat
• 47:16
  is
• 47:17
  basically
• 47:18
  exactly
• 47:19
  as
• 47:19
  dumb
• 47:19
  and
• 47:19
  wasteful
• 47:20
  as
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  Thought
• 47:20
  it
• 47:20
  was,
• 47:22
  but
• 47:22
  the
• 47:23
  process
• 47:23
  is
• 47:23
  still
• 47:24
  fascinating.
• 47:24
  And
• 47:25
  the
• 47:25
  one
• 47:25
  thing
• 47:26
  that
• 47:26
  I
• 47:26
  respect
• 47:28
  them
• 47:28
  for
• 47:28
  being
• 47:29
  able
• 47:29
  to
• 47:29
  do
• 47:29
  more
• 47:30
  than
• 47:30
  anything
• 47:30
  else,
• 47:30
  because
• 47:31
  almost
• 47:31
  no
• 47:31
  one
• 47:32
  else
• 47:32
  can
• 47:32
  do
• 47:32
  this
• 47:32
  anymore.
• 47:34
  Like,
• 47:34
  they
• 47:34
  hone
• 47:35
  their
• 47:35
  knives
• 47:36
  to
• 47:36
  a
• 47:37
  sharpness
• 47:37
  that
• 47:38
  is
• 47:38
  something
• 47:38
  you've
• 47:39
  never
• 47:39
  experienced
• 47:39
  in
• 47:39
  your
• 47:40
  life.
• 47:40
  Because
• 47:41
  if
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  cow
• 47:42
  flinches
• 47:43
  and
• 47:43
  you
• 47:43
  have
• 47:44
  to
• 47:44
  kill
• 47:44
  it
• 47:44
  by
• 47:44
  cutting
• 47:44
  its
• 47:45
  throat,
• 47:45
  and
• 47:46
  if
• 47:46
  the
• 47:46
  cow
• 47:46
  flinches
• 47:47
  at
• 47:47
  all,
• 47:47
  if
• 47:47
  the
• 47:47
  cow
• 47:48
  knows
• 47:48
  it's
• 47:49
  dying,
• 47:50
  you
• 47:50
  throw
• 47:50
  it
• 47:50
  away.
• 47:51
  Wow.
• 47:51
  They
• 47:51
  throw
• 47:52
  it
• 47:52
  away
• 47:52
  just
• 47:52
  to
• 47:52
  say
• 47:52
  it
• 47:53
  just.
• 47:53
  You
• 47:53
  don't
• 47:53
  touch
• 47:53
  it.
• 47:53
  And
• 47:54
  do
• 47:54
  they
• 47:54
  throw
• 47:54
  away
• 47:55
  a
• 47:55
  lot
• 47:55
  of
• 47:55
  cows?
• 47:56
  Yeah.
• 47:56
  And
• 47:56
  you
• 47:56
  know
• 47:56
  what
• 47:56
  I
• 47:57
  would
• 47:57
  do?
• 47:57
  Buy
• 47:57
  them
• 47:58
  for
• 47:58
  $1
• 47:59
  as
• 47:59
  long
• 47:59
  as
• 48:00
  I
• 48:00
  could
• 48:00
  transport
• 48:00
  them.
• 48:00
  For
• 48:01
  sure.
• 48:01
  They'd
• 48:01
  sell
• 48:01
  them
• 48:01
  to
• 48:02
  me
• 48:02
  for
• 48:02
  $1
• 48:03
  and
• 48:03
  I'd
• 48:03
  take
• 48:03
  them
• 48:03
  to
• 48:03
  the
• 48:04
  other
• 48:04
  shop
• 48:04
  and
• 48:05
  either
• 48:05
  give
• 48:05
  it
• 48:05
  to
• 48:05
  all
• 48:05
  the
• 48:06
  guys
• 48:06
  or
• 48:06
  like
• 48:07
  use
• 48:07
  it
• 48:07
  for
• 48:07
  lessons
• 48:08
  or,
• 48:08
  you
• 48:09
  know,
• 48:09
  that's
• 48:09
  fucking.
• 48:10
  It
• 48:10
  makes
• 48:11
  me
• 48:11
  a
• 48:11
  little
• 48:11
  angry.
• 48:12
  You
• 48:12
  know,
• 48:12
  do
• 48:12
  your
• 48:13
  kosher
• 48:13
  thing.
• 48:13
  But
• 48:13
  you're
• 48:14
  just
• 48:14
  wasting
• 48:14
  life,
• 48:15
  really.
• 48:15
  You're
• 48:15
  just
• 48:15
  tossing
• 48:16
  away.
• 48:16
  Well,
• 48:17
  it's
• 48:17
  not
• 48:17
  like
• 48:17
  there's
• 48:17
  a
• 48:18
  shitload
• 48:18
  of
• 48:18
  food
• 48:18
  to
• 48:19
  go
• 48:19
  around
• 48:19
  for
• 48:19
  everybody
• 48:20
  either.
• 48:21
  And
• 48:21
  every
• 48:21
  cow
• 48:22
  that
• 48:22
  they.
• 48:23
  That
• 48:23
  they
• 48:23
  touch,
• 48:24
  they
• 48:24
  throw
• 48:24
  away
• 48:25
  all
• 48:25
  of
• 48:25
  the
• 48:25
  good
• 48:26
  part.
• 48:26
  No,
• 48:26
  there's
• 48:27
  no
• 48:27
  tenderloin.
• 48:28
  There's
• 48:28
  no,
• 48:29
  you
• 48:29
  know,
• 48:29
  all
• 48:30
  that
• 48:30
  stuff
• 48:30
  from
• 48:30
  them.
• 48:30
  What
• 48:31
  do
• 48:31
  they.
• 48:31
  What
• 48:31
  are
• 48:31
  they?
• 48:31
  What
• 48:32
  do
• 48:32
  they
• 48:32
  even
• 48:32
  eat?
• 48:32
  The
• 48:33
  shoulder.
• 48:33
  That's
• 48:34
  it.
• 48:34
  Yeah.
• 48:35
  Interesting.
• 48:35
  Well,
• 48:36
  more
• 48:36
  than
• 48:36
  anything,
• 48:36
  it
• 48:37
  was
• 48:37
  just
• 48:37
  an
• 48:37
  amazing
• 48:38
  experience
• 48:39
  to
• 48:39
  like
• 48:39
  be
• 48:39
  with
• 48:39
  all
• 48:40
  these
• 48:40
  guys
• 48:41
  that
• 48:41
  were
• 48:42
  big,
• 48:42
  like
• 48:43
  members
• 48:43
  of
• 48:43
  the
• 48:43
  community.
• 48:44
  To
• 48:44
  see
• 48:44
  how
• 48:44
  the
• 48:44
  community
• 48:45
  functioned
• 48:46
  in
• 48:46
  general
• 48:47
  was
• 48:47
  fascinating.
• 48:48
  The
• 48:48
  whole
• 48:49
  thing
• 48:49
  is
• 48:49
  set
• 48:49
  up
• 48:49
  to
• 48:50
  keep
• 48:50
  people
• 48:51
  and
• 48:51
  money
• 48:52
  completely
• 48:53
  within
• 48:53
  the
• 48:53
  community.
• 48:54
  Right.
• 48:54
  And
• 48:54
  it
• 48:55
  works.
• 48:55
  Is
• 48:56
  it
• 48:56
  like
• 48:56
  this
• 48:57
  Hasidic
• 48:57
  community
• 48:58
  or.
• 48:58
  Yeah,
• 48:58
  okay.
• 48:59
  Yeah,
• 48:59
  yeah.
• 48:59
  Giant
• 48:59
  hats
• 49:00
  and
• 49:00
  Right
• 49:00
  ropes
• 49:01
  and
• 49:01
  all
• 49:01
  that.
• 49:02
  Everything.
• 49:02
  I
• 49:02
  mean,
• 49:03
  they
• 49:03
  also,
• 49:03
  like,
• 49:03
  use
• 49:04
  more
• 49:04
  social
• 49:04
  services
• 49:05
  than
• 49:05
  almost
• 49:05
  any
• 49:05
  population
• 49:06
  in
• 49:06
  the
• 49:06
  city.
• 49:06
  Like,
• 49:07
  there's
• 49:07
  a
• 49:07
  good
• 49:07
  and
• 49:07
  a
• 49:08
  bad
• 49:08
  side
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  the
• 49:08
  whole
• 49:08
  thing.
• 49:09
  But,
• 49:09
  like,
• 49:10
  the
• 49:10
  stories
• 49:10
  that
• 49:10
  I
• 49:10
  hear
• 49:11
  about
• 49:11
  the
• 49:11
  drain
• 49:11
  on
• 49:11
  social
• 49:12
  services
• 49:12
  and
• 49:12
  so
• 49:12
  forth
• 49:13
  and
• 49:13
  welfare,
• 49:13
  I
• 49:13
  mean,
• 49:14
  there's.
• 49:14
  A
• 49:14
  lot
• 49:14
  fall
• 49:14
  more
• 49:14
  into
• 49:15
  the
• 49:15
  bad
• 49:15
  category
• 49:15
  for
• 49:16
  me
• 49:16
  because
• 49:17
  as
• 49:17
  well
• 49:17
  as
• 49:18
  a
• 49:18
  lot
• 49:18
  of
• 49:18
  it
• 49:18
  works,
• 49:19
  it's
• 49:20
  so
• 49:21
  non
• 49:21
  inclusive
• 49:22
  or
• 49:22
  whatever,
• 49:22
  you
• 49:23
  know,
• 49:23
  Insular.
• 49:24
  Yeah.
• 49:24
  And
• 49:24
  it's.
• 49:27
  Yeah,
• 49:27
  it
• 49:27
  just
• 49:27
  turns
• 49:28
  it
• 49:28
  into
• 49:28
  something
• 49:28
  that's
• 49:28
  kind
• 49:28
  of
• 49:29
  ugly.
• 49:29
  But
• 49:30
  it
• 49:30
  is
• 49:30
  a
• 49:30
  thing
• 49:30
  that
• 49:31
  if
• 49:31
  the
• 49:31
  world
• 49:32
  thought
• 49:32
  like
• 49:32
  that,
• 49:33
  things
• 49:33
  would
• 49:34
  be
• 49:34
  like.
• 49:34
  If
• 49:34
  the
• 49:34
  world
• 49:35
  thought
• 49:35
  like
• 49:35
  that
• 49:35
  in
• 49:35
  terms
• 49:35
  of
• 49:37
  being
• 49:37
  a
• 49:37
  community,
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  way
• 49:38
  they
• 49:38
  view
• 49:38
  themselves
• 49:39
  as
• 49:39
  a
• 49:39
  community,
• 49:40
  you
• 49:40
  know,
• 49:40
  it
• 49:40
  would
• 49:41
  be
• 49:41
  amazing.
• 49:41
  It
• 49:41
  could
• 49:42
  work.
• 49:42
  Yeah.
• 49:43
  Cause
• 49:43
  it's
• 49:43
  not
• 49:43
  really
• 49:44
  based
• 49:44
  on
• 49:44
  just
• 49:45
  taking
• 49:45
  advantage
• 49:46
  of
• 49:46
  people
• 49:46
  or
• 49:46
  anything
• 49:47
  like
• 49:47
  that.
• 49:47
  It's
• 49:48
  certainly
• 49:48
  take
• 49:48
  advantage
• 49:49
  of
• 49:49
  a
• 49:49
  good.
• 49:49
  Deal
• 49:49
  and
• 49:50
  you
• 49:50
  can't
• 49:50
  really
• 49:50
  leave.
• 49:50
  I
• 49:51
  mean,
• 49:51
  there's
• 49:51
  a
• 49:51
  lot
• 49:51
  of
• 49:51
  downsides
• 49:52
  to
• 49:52
  that
• 49:52
  community.
• 49:52
  But
• 49:53
  certainly
• 49:53
  I
• 49:53
  hear
• 49:54
  you
• 49:54
  on
• 49:54
  the
• 49:54
  community
• 49:54
  community
• 49:55
  part.
• 49:55
  Your
• 49:55
  drunken
• 49:56
  brother
• 49:56
  always
• 49:57
  has
• 49:57
  a
• 49:57
  job
• 49:58
  there.
• 49:59
  Doesn't
• 49:59
  matter.
• 49:59
  And
• 50:00
  they
• 50:00
  know
• 50:00
  that
• 50:01
  they
• 50:01
  just
• 50:01
  gonna
• 50:01
  bounce
• 50:02
  him
• 50:02
  from
• 50:02
  this
• 50:02
  person
• 50:03
  to
• 50:03
  this
• 50:03
  person
• 50:03
  and
• 50:04
  he's
• 50:04
  gonna
• 50:04
  end
• 50:04
  up
• 50:04
  stealing
• 50:04
  something
• 50:04
  from
• 50:05
  there
• 50:05
  and
• 50:05
  they're
• 50:05
  gonna
• 50:05
  bounce
• 50:05
  from
• 50:05
  this
• 50:06
  person
• 50:06
  and.
• 50:06
  But
• 50:07
  guaranteed,
• 50:08
  always
• 50:08
  going
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  have
• 50:08
  a.
• 50:09
  Place,
• 50:09
  always
• 50:09
  have
• 50:09
  it,
• 50:10
  always
• 50:10
  have
• 50:10
  a
• 50:10
  place
• 50:11
  to
• 50:11
  go.
• 50:11
  And
• 50:13
  it
• 50:13
  just
• 50:14
  kind
• 50:14
  of
• 50:14
  works
• 50:15
  out
• 50:16
  mathematically.
• 50:18
  They
• 50:18
  also
• 50:18
  like
• 50:19
  reproduce
• 50:19
  at
• 50:20
  a
• 50:20
  higher
• 50:20
  rate
• 50:20
  than
• 50:20
  almost
• 50:20
  any
• 50:21
  population
• 50:21
  in
• 50:21
  the
• 50:22
  country.
• 50:22
  Like,
• 50:22
  that's
• 50:23
  like
• 50:23
  their
• 50:23
  whole
• 50:23
  thing
• 50:24
  is.
• 50:24
  To
• 50:24
  just
• 50:24
  to
• 50:24
  keep
• 50:25
  having
• 50:25
  babies,
• 50:26
  vaccinating.
• 50:26
  Well,
• 50:27
  I
• 50:27
  mean,
• 50:27
  they've
• 50:27
  gone.
• 50:28
  I
• 50:28
  mean,
• 50:28
  I've
• 50:28
  heard
• 50:28
  stories
• 50:28
  of
• 50:29
  them,
• 50:29
  like
• 50:29
  going
• 50:29
  out
• 50:30
  in
• 50:30
  New
• 50:30
  York
• 50:30
  and
• 50:30
  going
• 50:30
  to
• 50:31
  cities
• 50:31
  like
• 50:31
  upstate
• 50:32
  and
• 50:32
  like
• 50:33
  reproducing
• 50:33
  to
• 50:33
  a
• 50:33
  degree
• 50:34
  and
• 50:34
  then
• 50:34
  eventually
• 50:35
  just
• 50:35
  taking
• 50:35
  over
• 50:35
  the
• 50:35
  whole
• 50:36
  town
• 50:36
  of
• 50:36
  the
• 50:36
  city
• 50:37
  council
• 50:37
  and
• 50:37
  stuff.
• 50:37
  Like
• 50:37
  that's
• 50:38
  the
• 50:38
  thing.
• 50:38
  It's
• 50:39
  a
• 50:39
  complicated.
• 50:41
  Seems
• 50:41
  like
• 50:41
  a
• 50:41
  lot
• 50:41
  of
• 50:41
  people
• 50:41
  are
• 50:42
  like
• 50:42
  catching
• 50:42
  on
• 50:42
  to
• 50:43
  the
• 50:43
  have
• 50:43
  a
• 50:43
  bunch
• 50:43
  of
• 50:43
  babies
• 50:44
  idea
• 50:44
  and
• 50:44
  use
• 50:45
  them
• 50:45
  to
• 50:45
  take
• 50:45
  over.
• 50:46
  Yeah,
• 50:46
  yeah,
• 50:46
  yeah.
• 50:47
  Well,
• 50:47
  they're
• 50:47
  doing
• 50:48
  it
• 50:48
  real
• 50:48
  well.
• 50:48
  They're
• 50:48
  doing
• 50:49
  it
• 50:49
  real
• 50:49
  well.
• 50:49
  Yeah,
• 50:50
  yeah,
• 50:50
  yeah.
• 50:51
  But
• 50:51
  I
• 50:52
  was
• 50:52
  there
• 50:52
  for
• 50:52
  the
• 50:52
  beef
• 50:52
  and
• 50:53
  it
• 50:53
  was.
• 50:54
  That
• 50:54
  experience
• 50:55
  was
• 50:55
  cool.
• 50:55
  Is
• 50:56
  there
• 50:56
  a
• 50:56
  story
• 50:57
  or
• 50:58
  a
• 50:58
  memory
• 50:58
  like
• 50:58
  that
• 50:58
  was
• 50:59
  like
• 50:59
  the
• 50:59
  most
• 50:59
  fucked
• 51:00
  up
• 51:00
  or
• 51:00
  whatever
• 51:00
  story
• 51:01
  that
• 51:01
  you.
• 51:01
  That
• 51:01
  you.
• 51:02
  In
• 51:02
  the
• 51:02
  time.
• 51:02
  Your
• 51:02
  time
• 51:03
  in
• 51:03
  New
• 51:03
  York,
• 51:03
  one
• 51:03
  of.
• 51:04
  The
• 51:04
  crazier
• 51:04
  ones
• 51:04
  that
• 51:04
  just
• 51:05
  comes
• 51:05
  to
• 51:05
  mind.
• 51:05
  And
• 51:06
  this
• 51:06
  probably
• 51:06
  isn't
• 51:06
  anywhere
• 51:07
  near
• 51:07
  the
• 51:07
  craziest,
• 51:08
  but
• 51:09
  my
• 51:10
  wife,
• 51:10
  she
• 51:13
  is
• 51:13
  incredible
• 51:14
  at
• 51:14
  her
• 51:14
  job
• 51:14
  and
• 51:15
  for
• 51:15
  some
• 51:15
  reason,
• 51:16
  like,
• 51:16
  she
• 51:17
  really
• 51:18
  cared
• 51:18
  about
• 51:18
  working
• 51:19
  with
• 51:20
  gay
• 51:21
  populations,
• 51:22
  poor
• 51:22
  people,
• 51:23
  immigrants,
• 51:23
  things
• 51:24
  like
• 51:24
  that,
• 51:24
  and
• 51:25
  really
• 51:25
  has
• 51:25
  dedicated
• 51:26
  her
• 51:26
  life
• 51:26
  to
• 51:26
  it
• 51:26
  and
• 51:27
  just
• 51:27
  done
• 51:27
  amazing
• 51:28
  work.
• 51:29
  But
• 51:30
  our
• 51:30
  house
• 51:31
  in
• 51:31
  Washington
• 51:32
  heights
• 51:32
  for
• 51:33
  about
• 51:33
  10
• 51:33
  years
• 51:34
  was
• 51:35
  the
• 51:35
  hospital
• 51:35
  for
• 51:36
  people
• 51:36
  that
• 51:36
  were
• 51:36
  going
• 51:36
  to
• 51:36
  get
• 51:37
  deported
• 51:37
  if
• 51:37
  they
• 51:37
  went
• 51:38
  to
• 51:38
  the
• 51:38
  hospital.
• 51:39
  Jesus.
• 51:39
  And
• 51:39
  we
• 51:39
  had
• 51:40
  a
• 51:40
  chick
• 51:41
  die
• 51:41
  there
• 51:42
  one
• 51:42
  night
• 51:42
  and
• 51:43
  literally
• 51:44
  just
• 51:44
  seen
• 51:44
  it
• 51:45
  revived
• 51:45
  her.
• 51:45
  She's
• 51:47
  gotten
• 51:47
  coke
• 51:48
  and
• 51:48
  heroin
• 51:48
  mixed
• 51:48
  up
• 51:48
  or
• 51:49
  something
• 51:49
  like
• 51:49
  that.
• 51:50
  And
• 51:51
  she
• 51:51
  left
• 51:51
  in
• 51:52
  the
• 51:52
  morning,
• 51:52
  like,
• 51:52
  still
• 51:52
  didn't
• 51:53
  even
• 51:53
  know
• 51:53
  where
• 51:53
  she
• 51:53
  was.
• 51:54
  Yeah,
• 51:54
  yeah.
• 51:55
  Or
• 51:55
  whatever.
• 51:55
  But
• 51:56
  finally
• 51:56
  when
• 51:56
  we
• 51:56
  felt
• 51:56
  comfortable
• 51:57
  saying
• 51:57
  take
• 51:58
  her
• 51:58
  the
• 51:58
  fuck
• 51:58
  out
• 51:58
  of
• 51:58
  here.
• 51:59
  And
• 52:00
  two
• 52:00
  days
• 52:00
  later
• 52:01
  I
• 52:01
  came
• 52:01
  home
• 52:02
  from
• 52:02
  work
• 52:02
  and
• 52:02
  there's
• 52:03
  this
• 52:03
  black
• 52:03
  box
• 52:04
  sitting
• 52:04
  in
• 52:04
  front
• 52:04
  of
• 52:04
  the
• 52:04
  door.
• 52:05
  It
• 52:05
  was
• 52:06
  a
• 52:06
  big
• 52:06
  giant
• 52:07
  tiramisu
• 52:08
  with
• 52:08
  a
• 52:08
  note
• 52:08
  from
• 52:08
  it
• 52:09
  said,
• 52:09
  thanks
• 52:09
  for
• 52:10
  saving
• 52:10
  my
• 52:10
  life.
• 52:12
  I
• 52:12
  guess
• 52:13
  tiramisu
• 52:13
  is
• 52:14
  as
• 52:14
  good
• 52:14
  a
• 52:14
  price
• 52:15
  for
• 52:15
  that
• 52:15
  as
• 52:15
  anything.
• 52:16
  Why
• 52:16
  not?
• 52:16
  That
• 52:17
  was
• 52:17
  the
• 52:17
  best.
• 52:17
  I
• 52:17
  wonder
• 52:18
  if
• 52:18
  she
• 52:18
  thought
• 52:18
  about
• 52:18
  it
• 52:18
  and
• 52:19
  was
• 52:19
  like,
• 52:19
  well,
• 52:19
  what's
• 52:20
  a
• 52:20
  good
• 52:20
  gift
• 52:20
  for
• 52:20
  somebody
• 52:21
  who
• 52:21
  actually
• 52:21
  saved
• 52:21
  my
• 52:21
  life?
• 52:22
  Yeah.
• 52:22
  Wow.
• 52:23
  How
• 52:23
  long
• 52:23
  was
• 52:23
  she.
• 52:23
  How
• 52:23
  was
• 52:24
  she
• 52:24
  now?
• 52:24
  I
• 52:24
  mean,
• 52:24
  she
• 52:25
  was
• 52:25
  like,
• 52:25
  just.
• 52:25
  Her
• 52:25
  heart
• 52:26
  stopped
• 52:26
  or
• 52:26
  something.
• 52:26
  Right,
• 52:27
  right.
• 52:27
  But
• 52:28
  it
• 52:28
  was.
• 52:28
  Wow,
• 52:28
  that's
• 52:28
  nuts.
• 52:29
  It
• 52:29
  was
• 52:30
  scary.
• 52:30
  I
• 52:30
  mean,
• 52:30
  because
• 52:31
  they
• 52:31
  was
• 52:31
  the
• 52:32
  one
• 52:32
  that
• 52:32
  we
• 52:33
  almost
• 52:34
  were
• 52:34
  like,
• 52:34
  we.
• 52:35
  We
• 52:35
  gotta
• 52:35
  call
• 52:35
  the
• 52:35
  ambulance.
• 52:36
  Right.
• 52:36
  At
• 52:36
  this
• 52:36
  point.
• 52:37
  But
• 52:37
  then
• 52:38
  she
• 52:38
  would
• 52:38
  have
• 52:38
  been
• 52:38
  deported.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  Of
• 52:39
  course,
• 52:40
  they
• 52:40
  had
• 52:40
  a.
• 52:40
  A
• 52:41
  scam
• 52:41
  where.
• 52:42
  When
• 52:42
  this
• 52:42
  used
• 52:43
  to
• 52:43
  mean
• 52:43
  something.
• 52:43
  I
• 52:43
  don't
• 52:43
  know
• 52:43
  if
• 52:44
  it
• 52:44
  means
• 52:44
  anything
• 52:44
  in
• 52:44
  the
• 52:44
  government
• 52:45
  anymore,
• 52:45
  but
• 52:45
  where
• 52:46
  they
• 52:46
  would
• 52:46
  marry
• 52:47
  people.
• 52:47
  Like,
• 52:48
  they
• 52:48
  had
• 52:48
  the
• 52:48
  whole
• 52:48
  thing
• 52:48
  where.
• 52:49
  Like,
• 52:49
  marrying
• 52:50
  people
• 52:50
  to
• 52:51
  gain
• 52:51
  citizenship.
• 52:52
  Yeah.
• 52:52
  Start
• 52:53
  the
• 52:53
  process,
• 52:54
  whatever.
• 52:54
  And
• 52:55
  like,
• 52:55
  you
• 52:55
  know,
• 52:55
  Carolina's
• 52:56
  been
• 52:56
  married
• 52:56
  to
• 52:56
  three
• 52:57
  or
• 52:57
  four
• 52:57
  people,
• 52:57
  you
• 52:58
  know.
• 52:58
  Right.
• 52:58
  You
• 52:59
  got
• 52:59
  to
• 52:59
  stay
• 52:59
  married
• 52:59
  for
• 52:59
  a
• 52:59
  few
• 53:00
  years.
• 53:00
  Right,
• 53:00
  right.
• 53:01
  And
• 53:01
  they
• 53:01
  come
• 53:01
  and
• 53:01
  check
• 53:01
  and
• 53:01
  everything.
• 53:02
  There
• 53:02
  was
• 53:02
  a
• 53:02
  whole
• 53:02
  Gerard
• 53:02
  Depardieu
• 53:03
  movie
• 53:03
  about
• 53:04
  that
• 53:04
  called
• 53:04
  Green
• 53:04
  Card.
• 53:05
  It
• 53:05
  was
• 53:05
  awful.
• 53:05
  Yeah.
• 53:06
  But
• 53:06
  anyway,
• 53:07
  that's
• 53:07
  my
• 53:08
  film
• 53:08
  reference.
• 53:08
  Throwing
• 53:09
  it
• 53:09
  in
• 53:09
  there
• 53:09
  for
• 53:09
  you.
• 53:09
  That
• 53:10
  just
• 53:10
  reminded
• 53:10
  me
• 53:10
  of
• 53:10
  something,
• 53:11
  actually.
• 53:12
  That
• 53:13
  chick
• 53:13
  Sarah
• 53:13
  that
• 53:13
  I
• 53:14
  went
• 53:14
  to
• 53:14
  Guatemala
• 53:14
  with.
• 53:14
  Yeah.
• 53:15
  Super
• 53:15
  smart.
• 53:16
  Sure.
• 53:16
  But
• 53:17
  if
• 53:17
  she
• 53:17
  didn't
• 53:18
  remember
• 53:18
  something,
• 53:18
  she
• 53:19
  would
• 53:19
  always
• 53:19
  come
• 53:19
  up
• 53:19
  with,
• 53:20
  like,
• 53:20
  the
• 53:20
  most
• 53:20
  ridiculous
• 53:21
  cliches.
• 53:22
  And
• 53:23
  we
• 53:23
  were.
• 53:23
  When
• 53:23
  we
• 53:23
  were
• 53:23
  living
• 53:24
  in
• 53:24
  Guatemala
• 53:24
  City,
• 53:25
  we
• 53:25
  went
• 53:25
  to
• 53:25
  the
• 53:25
  movies
• 53:26
  almost
• 53:26
  every
• 53:26
  single
• 53:26
  day.
• 53:26
  It
• 53:27
  was
• 53:27
  25
• 53:27
  cents.
• 53:27
  Sweet.
• 53:28
  It's
• 53:28
  another
• 53:28
  good
• 53:29
  way
• 53:29
  of
• 53:29
  trying
• 53:29
  to
• 53:29
  learn
• 53:29
  Spanish.
• 53:30
  Absolutely.
• 53:31
  And
• 53:31
  we
• 53:31
  were
• 53:31
  trying
• 53:32
  to
• 53:32
  remember
• 53:32
  Gerard
• 53:33
  Depardieu's
• 53:34
  name.
• 53:34
  And
• 53:34
  I've
• 53:34
  never
• 53:35
  forgotten
• 53:35
  her
• 53:36
  saying,
• 53:36
  like,
• 53:36
  I
• 53:36
  know
• 53:36
  it's
• 53:37
  something
• 53:37
  like
• 53:38
  Jean
• 53:38
  Paul
• 53:39
  Bordeaux.
• 53:41
  Like,
• 53:41
  John
• 53:42
  Paul
• 53:42
  Bordeaux.
• 53:43
  Well,
• 53:43
  I
• 53:44
  mean,
• 53:44
  the
• 53:44
  French
• 53:44
  part's
• 53:44
  in
• 53:45
  there.
• 53:45
  Yeah.
• 53:45
  You
• 53:45
  know.
• 53:46
  Yeah.
• 53:46
  I
• 53:46
  think
• 53:46
  he
• 53:46
  got
• 53:47
  canceled,
• 53:47
  too,
• 53:47
  because
• 53:48
  he
• 53:48
  sexually.
• 53:49
  Something
• 53:49
  with,
• 53:49
  you
• 53:50
  know.
• 53:50
  People
• 53:51
  are
• 53:51
  weird,
• 53:51
  man.
• 53:52
  I
• 53:52
  mean,
• 53:52
  you
• 53:52
  dig.
• 53:53
  You
• 53:53
  dig
• 53:53
  enough
• 53:53
  into
• 53:54
  anybody's
• 53:54
  thing,
• 53:55
  I
• 53:55
  think
• 53:55
  you
• 53:55
  can
• 53:55
  find
• 53:55
  some
• 53:56
  darkness.
• 53:57
  But.
• 53:58
  Yeah.
• 53:58
  Yeah,
• 53:59
  I
• 53:59
  suppose
• 53:59
  that's
• 54:00
  true.
• 54:00
  You
• 54:01
  know,
• 54:01
  everybody's
• 54:01
  got
• 54:01
  dirt
• 54:02
  in
• 54:02
  their
• 54:02
  past.
• 54:02
  People
• 54:03
  are
• 54:03
  pretty
• 54:03
  weird,
• 54:04
  man.
• 54:04
  There's
• 54:04
  a
• 54:04
  lot
• 54:04
  of
• 54:04
  people.
• 54:05
  Stuff
• 54:05
  that
• 54:05
  people
• 54:05
  do
• 54:06
  that
• 54:06
  are
• 54:06
  like,
• 54:07
  that's
• 54:07
  how
• 54:07
  you
• 54:07
  got
• 54:07
  in
• 54:08
  trouble
• 54:09
  or
• 54:09
  weird.
• 54:10
  But,
• 54:10
  I
• 54:10
  mean,
• 54:11
  existing
• 54:12
  on
• 54:12
  its
• 54:12
  own
• 54:12
  is
• 54:12
  pretty
• 54:13
  weird.
• 54:13
  And
• 54:13
  the
• 54:13
  older
• 54:13
  I
• 54:14
  get,
• 54:14
  the
• 54:14
  more
• 54:14
  the
• 54:14
  existence
• 54:15
  part
• 54:15
  of
• 54:16
  the
• 54:16
  whole
• 54:16
  thing
• 54:16
  that
• 54:17
  we're
• 54:17
  even
• 54:17
  here
• 54:18
  becomes
• 54:19
  more
• 54:19
  of
• 54:19
  a
• 54:19
  trip
• 54:19
  to
• 54:19
  me.
• 54:20
  Like,
• 54:20
  the
• 54:21
  more
• 54:21
  I
• 54:21
  realize
• 54:22
  what
• 54:22
  actually
• 54:22
  is
• 54:23
  happening,
• 54:24
  I'm
• 54:24
  more
• 54:24
  blown
• 54:25
  away
• 54:25
  by
• 54:25
  the
• 54:25
  fact
• 54:25
  that
• 54:26
  it's
• 54:26
  happening
• 54:26
  at
• 54:26
  all,
• 54:27
  if
• 54:27
  that
• 54:27
  makes
• 54:27
  sense.
• 54:28
  Certainly.
• 54:28
  Right.
• 54:29
  Like,
• 54:29
  how
• 54:29
  strange
• 54:29
  it
• 54:29
  is
• 54:30
  to
• 54:30
  be
• 54:30
  anything
• 54:30
  at
• 54:31
  all
• 54:31
  in
• 54:31
  this
• 54:31
  entire
• 54:32
  weird
• 54:32
  universe
• 54:32
  that
• 54:33
  we've
• 54:33
  ended
• 54:33
  up.
• 54:33
  Not
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  get
• 54:34
  too
• 54:34
  esoteric,
• 54:35
  but,
• 54:35
  like.
• 54:35
  Do
• 54:35
  you
• 54:35
  ever
• 54:35
  listen
• 54:36
  to
• 54:36
  Neutral
• 54:36
  Milk
• 54:36
  Hotel?
• 54:37
  Dude,
• 54:37
  that's
• 54:37
  where
• 54:38
  I
• 54:38
  came.
• 54:38
  That's
• 54:38
  the
• 54:38
  lines
• 54:38
  from
• 54:39
  there.
• 54:39
  Yeah,
• 54:39
  the
• 54:39
  lines
• 54:39
  from
• 54:40
  there.
• 54:40
  Yeah.
• 54:40
  Big
• 54:40
  fan.
• 54:40
  So
• 54:41
  there's
• 54:41
  a
• 54:41
  book
• 54:42
  about
• 54:42
  them.
• 54:43
  I'm
• 54:43
  in
• 54:43
  it.
• 54:44
  No,
• 54:44
  yeah,
• 54:45
  yeah.
• 54:45
  I've
• 54:45
  got
• 54:45
  a
• 54:46
  copy
• 54:46
  of
• 54:46
  the
• 54:46
  house.
• 54:46
  Like
• 54:47
  33
• 54:47
  and
• 54:47
  a
• 54:47
  third.
• 54:48
  Yeah,
• 54:48
  yeah,
• 54:49
  yeah.
• 54:49
  Because
• 54:50
  we.
• 54:51
  We
• 54:51
  spent
• 54:51
  a
• 54:52
  lot
• 54:52
  of
• 54:52
  time
• 54:52
  together.
• 54:52
  No.
• 54:53
  Yeah,
• 54:54
  yeah.
• 54:54
  For
• 54:54
  a
• 54:55
  while.
• 54:55
  And
• 54:55
  just
• 54:56
  talk
• 54:56
  about
• 54:57
  interesting
• 54:58
  guys,
• 54:58
  man.
• 54:59
  Yeah.
• 54:59
  I
• 54:59
  saw
• 54:59
  Jeff
• 55:00
  Magnum
• 55:00
  at
• 55:00
  Bam.
• 55:01
  Years
• 55:01
  ago.
• 55:01
  I
• 55:02
  cried.
• 55:02
  I
• 55:02
  cried.
• 55:03
  Yeah.
• 55:04
  Dude,
• 55:05
  Love
• 55:05
  their.
• 55:06
  Yeah,
• 55:06
  yeah.
• 55:06
  That's
• 55:07
  their
• 55:07
  great
• 55:08
  stuff.
• 55:08
  Yeah.
• 55:08
  I
• 55:08
  remember
• 55:09
  when
• 55:09
  I
• 55:09
  first
• 55:09
  heard
• 55:09
  that
• 55:09
  album.
• 55:10
  A
• 55:10
  friend
• 55:10
  of
• 55:10
  mine
• 55:10
  played
• 55:10
  it
• 55:10
  for
• 55:10
  me
• 55:11
  and
• 55:11
  I
• 55:11
  was
• 55:11
  like,
• 55:11
  what
• 55:11
  the
• 55:11
  fuck
• 55:12
  is
• 55:12
  this
• 55:12
  fucking
• 55:13
  nonsense
• 55:13
  noise?
• 55:14
  And
• 55:14
  then
• 55:14
  I
• 55:14
  listened
• 55:14
  to
• 55:14
  it
• 55:15
  again.
• 55:15
  I
• 55:15
  was
• 55:15
  like,
• 55:15
  all
• 55:16
  right,
• 55:16
  there's
• 55:17
  something
• 55:17
  more.
• 55:17
  It
• 55:17
  took
• 55:17
  a
• 55:18
  while
• 55:18
  to
• 55:18
  get
• 55:18
  it.
• 55:18
  And
• 55:18
  then
• 55:18
  once
• 55:18
  you
• 55:19
  get
• 55:19
  it,
• 55:19
  I
• 55:19
  was
• 55:19
  like,
• 55:19
  oh,
• 55:20
  all
• 55:20
  right.
• 55:20
  I
• 55:20
  see
• 55:20
  what's
• 55:21
  happening
• 55:21
  here.
• 55:21
  There's.
• 55:22
  There's
• 55:22
  magic
• 55:23
  and
• 55:23
  joy
• 55:23
  within
• 55:23
  magic.
• 55:24
  That's
• 55:24
  it.
• 55:24
  And.
• 55:25
  And.
• 55:25
  And
• 55:25
  just
• 55:25
  joy.
• 55:26
  So
• 55:26
  what
• 55:26
  went
• 55:27
  wrong
• 55:27
  in
• 55:27
  New
• 55:27
  York?
• 55:28
  So
• 55:28
  you
• 55:29
  with
• 55:29
  the
• 55:29
  wife
• 55:30
  for
• 55:30
  20,
• 55:30
  22
• 55:30
  years.
• 55:31
  20
• 55:31
  years,
• 55:31
  whatever
• 55:32
  it
• 55:32
  is.
• 55:32
  And
• 55:33
  is
• 55:33
  that
• 55:33
  why
• 55:33
  you
• 55:33
  left
• 55:34
  New
• 55:34
  York,
• 55:34
  Jess?
• 55:35
  And
• 55:35
  my.
• 55:35
  I.
• 55:36
  My
• 55:36
  wife
• 55:36
  had
• 55:37
  been
• 55:37
  talking
• 55:37
  about
• 55:37
  it
• 55:38
  for
• 55:38
  a
• 55:38
  while.
• 55:38
  I
• 55:38
  mean,
• 55:39
  she.
• 55:40
  Certainly
• 55:41
  not
• 55:41
  a
• 55:41
  very
• 55:42
  faithful
• 55:42
  person.
• 55:43
  Ah,
• 55:43
  okay.
• 55:44
  You
• 55:44
  know,
• 55:44
  but
• 55:45
  whatever.
• 55:45
  We
• 55:45
  both
• 55:45
  love
• 55:46
  or.
• 55:46
  Sure.
• 55:47
  Since,
• 55:47
  you
• 55:47
  know,
• 55:47
  who
• 55:48
  doesn't?
• 55:48
  We
• 55:48
  felt
• 55:49
  like,
• 55:49
  you
• 55:49
  know,
• 55:50
  Lila
• 55:51
  was
• 55:51
  grown
• 55:51
  up,
• 55:52
  our
• 55:52
  daughter,
• 55:53
  and
• 55:53
  we
• 55:53
  did
• 55:54
  a
• 55:54
  rad
• 55:55
  job.
• 55:56
  You
• 55:56
  know
• 55:56
  what
• 55:56
  I
• 55:56
  mean?
• 55:56
  We
• 55:56
  raised
• 55:57
  like
• 55:57
  an
• 55:57
  amazing
• 55:58
  kid.
• 55:58
  Yeah.
• 55:59
  And
• 56:00
  are
• 56:01
  both,
• 56:01
  in
• 56:01
  some
• 56:01
  ways,
• 56:01
  contributing
• 56:02
  to
• 56:02
  the
• 56:02
  world
• 56:02
  in
• 56:02
  a
• 56:03
  way
• 56:03
  that
• 56:03
  we
• 56:03
  both
• 56:03
  feel,
• 56:04
  you
• 56:04
  know,
• 56:05
  happy
• 56:05
  with.
• 56:05
  Right.
• 56:06
  And
• 56:07
  realize,
• 56:08
  you
• 56:08
  know,
• 56:08
  we're
• 56:08
  just
• 56:08
  still
• 56:08
  young
• 56:09
  enough
• 56:09
  to
• 56:09
  just
• 56:09
  have
• 56:09
  a
• 56:09
  whole
• 56:09
  nother
• 56:10
  life,
• 56:11
  and
• 56:11
  we're
• 56:11
  still
• 56:12
  great,
• 56:12
  great
• 56:13
  friends,
• 56:13
  you
• 56:14
  know,
• 56:14
  And
• 56:15
  I
• 56:15
  can't
• 56:15
  imagine
• 56:15
  ever
• 56:16
  being
• 56:16
  a
• 56:16
  time
• 56:16
  that
• 56:16
  we
• 56:16
  don't
• 56:17
  spend
• 56:17
  some
• 56:17
  time
• 56:17
  together.
• 56:18
  So
• 56:18
  it
• 56:18
  was
• 56:18
  just
• 56:18
  like
• 56:18
  a
• 56:18
  mutual.
• 56:19
  Yeah.
• 56:20
  Thing.
• 56:20
  Yeah.
• 56:21
  Yeah.
• 56:21
  That's
• 56:21
  just
• 56:22
  kind
• 56:22
  of
• 56:22
  beautiful,
• 56:22
  actually.
• 56:23
  Different
• 56:24
  adventures.
• 56:25
  And
• 56:25
  that's
• 56:25
  why
• 56:25
  you
• 56:25
  left
• 56:25
  New
• 56:26
  York,
• 56:26
  or.
• 56:26
  Well,
• 56:26
  no,
• 56:27
  that
• 56:27
  was.
• 56:27
  Okay,
• 56:27
  so
• 56:27
  that
• 56:28
  was
• 56:28
  about
• 56:29
  a
• 56:29
  few
• 56:30
  years
• 56:30
  before
• 56:30
  I
• 56:30
  left,
• 56:30
  actually.
• 56:31
  We
• 56:31
  were
• 56:31
  separated
• 56:32
  in
• 56:32
  the
• 56:32
  city
• 56:32
  together
• 56:33
  for,
• 56:34
  Yeah.
• 56:35
  I
• 56:35
  guess
• 56:35
  three
• 56:35
  years
• 56:35
  or
• 56:35
  something
• 56:36
  like
• 56:36
  that.
• 56:36
  And
• 56:36
  we
• 56:36
  still.
• 56:36
  There's
• 56:37
  certain
• 56:37
  parties
• 56:38
  that
• 56:38
  we
• 56:38
  do
• 56:38
  every
• 56:38
  year
• 56:40
  that
• 56:40
  we
• 56:40
  continued
• 56:41
  getting
• 56:41
  together
• 56:41
  to
• 56:41
  do
• 56:42
  the
• 56:42
  parties
• 56:42
  and
• 56:42
  stuff
• 56:42
  like
• 56:43
  that,
• 56:43
  and
• 56:43
  got
• 56:44
  together
• 56:44
  with
• 56:44
  the
• 56:45
  woman
• 56:45
  I'm
• 56:45
  with
• 56:46
  now,
• 56:46
  Frankie.
• 56:47
  Amazing.
• 56:48
  Tons
• 56:48
  of
• 56:49
  fun.
• 56:49
  The
• 56:49
  Exact
• 56:50
  opposite
• 56:50
  of
• 56:50
  Jess.
• 56:51
  And
• 56:53
  we
• 56:53
  were
• 56:53
  trying
• 56:54
  to
• 56:54
  decide
• 56:54
  if
• 56:54
  we
• 56:54
  wanted
• 56:54
  to
• 56:54
  sign
• 56:55
  another
• 56:55
  lease
• 56:56
  and
• 56:56
  we'd
• 56:56
  been
• 56:56
  thinking
• 56:56
  about
• 56:57
  going
• 56:57
  to
• 56:57
  Vegas
• 56:58
  and
• 56:59
  eventually
• 56:59
  I
• 57:00
  was
• 57:00
  like,
• 57:00
  you
• 57:00
  know,
• 57:01
  she's
• 57:01
  never
• 57:01
  seen
• 57:01
  America
• 57:02
  at
• 57:02
  all.
• 57:03
  She's
• 57:03
  like
• 57:04
  in
• 57:04
  Russia
• 57:04
  until
• 57:05
  she
• 57:05
  was
• 57:05
  10
• 57:05
  or
• 57:05
  so.
• 57:06
  She's
• 57:06
  Russian?
• 57:06
  Yeah.
• 57:07
  Okay.
• 57:07
  And
• 57:08
  I
• 57:08
  was
• 57:08
  like,
• 57:08
  you
• 57:08
  know,
• 57:09
  it's
• 57:09
  kind
• 57:09
  of
• 57:09
  sucks
• 57:10
  a
• 57:10
  lot,
• 57:10
  but
• 57:11
  if
• 57:12
  there's
• 57:12
  any
• 57:12
  place
• 57:12
  where
• 57:13
  it's
• 57:13
  kind
• 57:13
  of
• 57:13
  cool,
• 57:13
  it's
• 57:14
  Columbus,
• 57:14
  Ohio.
• 57:14
  And
• 57:15
  I
• 57:15
  think
• 57:15
  it'd
• 57:15
  be
• 57:15
  super
• 57:15
  awesome
• 57:16
  to
• 57:16
  go
• 57:16
  back
• 57:16
  there
• 57:16
  and
• 57:17
  see
• 57:17
  what's
• 57:17
  going
• 57:17
  on
• 57:18
  after
• 57:18
  30
• 57:18
  years
• 57:19
  away.
• 57:19
  Yeah.
• 57:20
  And
• 57:20
  then
• 57:20
  we
• 57:20
  got
• 57:22
  the
• 57:22
  very
• 57:22
  first
• 57:22
  apartment
• 57:23
  I
• 57:23
  ever
• 57:23
  had
• 57:23
  in
• 57:23
  my
• 57:24
  life
• 57:24
  when
• 57:24
  I
• 57:24
  was
• 57:24
  16
• 57:24
  years
• 57:24
  old.
• 57:25
  We
• 57:25
  moved
• 57:25
  back,
• 57:26
  back
• 57:26
  into
• 57:26
  it.
• 57:26
  Right.
• 57:27
  And
• 57:27
  so
• 57:27
  when
• 57:28
  that
• 57:28
  happened,
• 57:29
  it
• 57:29
  felt
• 57:29
  like,
• 57:30
  well,
• 57:31
  circle
• 57:31
  of
• 57:31
  life.
• 57:32
  This
• 57:32
  is
• 57:32
  really
• 57:32
  supposed
• 57:33
  to
• 57:33
  be
• 57:33
  happening
• 57:33
  or
• 57:33
  something.
• 57:34
  Yeah.
• 57:35
  How's
• 57:35
  it
• 57:35
  been?
• 57:36
  It's
• 57:36
  wonderful,
• 57:37
  I'd
• 57:37
  say.
• 57:38
  I
• 57:38
  mean,
• 57:38
  I've
• 57:39
  really
• 57:39
  enjoyed
• 57:39
  it.
• 57:39
  I've
• 57:39
  been
• 57:39
  to
• 57:40
  some
• 57:40
  cool
• 57:40
  shows.
• 57:40
  I've
• 57:41
  bumped
• 57:41
  into
• 57:41
  a
• 57:41
  lot
• 57:41
  of
• 57:42
  old
• 57:42
  people.
• 57:42
  Sure.
• 57:42
  Bumped
• 57:43
  into
• 57:43
  some
• 57:43
  kids
• 57:44
  that
• 57:44
  like
• 57:45
  knew
• 57:45
  me
• 57:46
  like
• 57:46
  in
• 57:47
  a
• 57:47
  legendary
• 57:48
  way.
• 57:48
  Like
• 57:48
  they
• 57:48
  were
• 57:48
  in
• 57:49
  sixth
• 57:49
  grade
• 57:49
  when
• 57:49
  I
• 57:49
  was
• 57:49
  in
• 57:50
  high
• 57:50
  school
• 57:50
  kind
• 57:51
  of
• 57:51
  thing.
• 57:51
  They're
• 57:52
  like
• 57:52
  40
• 57:52
  year
• 57:53
  old
• 57:53
  men.
• 57:53
  Like
• 57:53
  who.
• 57:53
  Oh
• 57:54
  my
• 57:54
  God,
• 57:55
  you
• 57:55
  did
• 57:56
  whatever
• 57:56
  stupid
• 57:57
  thing
• 57:57
  we
• 57:57
  did.
• 57:57
  Do
• 57:58
  you
• 57:58
  think
• 57:58
  you'll
• 57:58
  be
• 57:58
  in
• 57:58
  Columbus
• 57:59
  for
• 57:59
  a
• 57:59
  while
• 57:59
  or
• 57:59
  what
• 57:59
  are
• 58:00
  you
• 58:00
  thinking?
• 58:00
  You
• 58:00
  don't
• 58:00
  know?
• 58:00
  I
• 58:00
  can
• 58:01
  imagine
• 58:01
  being
• 58:01
  here
• 58:01
  for
• 58:01
  five
• 58:01
  years.
• 58:02
  Yeah.
• 58:02
  I've
• 58:03
  been
• 58:03
  here
• 58:03
  six
• 58:03
  years.
• 58:03
  I'm
• 58:03
  starting
• 58:03
  to
• 58:03
  get
• 58:04
  a
• 58:04
  little
• 58:04
  stir
• 58:04
  crazy.
• 58:05
  Yeah.
• 58:05
  I
• 58:05
  never
• 58:05
  imagined
• 58:06
  I'd
• 58:06
  come
• 58:06
  back
• 58:06
  to
• 58:06
  Ohio
• 58:07
  and
• 58:07
  it
• 58:08
  just
• 58:08
  kind
• 58:08
  of
• 58:08
  happened
• 58:09
  and.
• 58:10
  Yeah.
• 58:10
  I'm
• 58:11
  getting
• 58:11
  a
• 58:11
  little
• 58:11
  bit
• 58:13
  antsy.
• 58:13
  Sure.
• 58:14
  Nothing
• 58:15
  is
• 58:16
  a
• 58:17
  crisis
• 58:18
  here.
• 58:19
  No,
• 58:19
  no.
• 58:20
  Everything
• 58:20
  is
• 58:20
  a
• 58:20
  crisis
• 58:21
  in
• 58:21
  New
• 58:21
  York.
• 58:21
  Right?
• 58:22
  No,
• 58:22
  I
• 58:22
  get
• 58:22
  that
• 58:22
  for
• 58:23
  sure.
• 58:23
  And
• 58:23
  I
• 58:24
  kind
• 58:24
  of
• 58:24
  miss.
• 58:25
  Part
• 58:25
  of
• 58:25
  me
• 58:25
  misses
• 58:26
  the
• 58:26
  crisis
• 58:26
  thing
• 58:27
  a
• 58:27
  little
• 58:27
  bit.
• 58:27
  Life
• 58:28
  is
• 58:28
  very
• 58:28
  easy
• 58:29
  here
• 58:29
  and
• 58:29
  I
• 58:29
  feel
• 58:30
  like
• 58:30
  my
• 58:30
  neuroses
• 58:31
  is
• 58:32
  just.
• 58:32
  It
• 58:33
  kind
• 58:33
  of
• 58:33
  thrives
• 58:33
  a
• 58:34
  little
• 58:34
  bit
• 58:34
  with
• 58:34
  a
• 58:34
  little
• 58:34
  bit
• 58:34
  of
• 58:35
  chaos.
• 58:35
  Yeah.
• 58:35
  You
• 58:35
  know
• 58:35
  what
• 58:36
  I
• 58:36
  mean?
• 58:36
  Yeah.
• 58:36
  100.
• 58:37
  I
• 58:37
  know
• 58:37
  what
• 58:37
  you
• 58:37
  mean.
• 58:38
  I'm
• 58:38
  missing
• 58:39
  it.
• 58:39
  Yeah.
• 58:39
  The
• 58:39
  reason
• 58:40
  why
• 58:40
  I
• 58:40
  say
• 58:40
  five
• 58:40
  years
• 58:40
  is
• 58:40
  I
• 58:40
  can't
• 58:41
  imagine
• 58:41
  myself
• 58:41
  being
• 58:42
  away
• 58:42
  from
• 58:42
  New
• 58:42
  York
• 58:43
  for
• 58:43
  more
• 58:43
  than
• 58:43
  five
• 58:43
  years.
• 58:44
  Oh,
• 58:44
  you
• 58:44
  want
• 58:44
  to
• 58:44
  go
• 58:44
  back
• 58:44
  to
• 58:44
  New
• 58:44
  York?
• 58:45
  It's
• 58:45
  the
• 58:45
  greatest
• 58:46
  city
• 58:46
  on
• 58:46
  earth.
• 58:46
  Just
• 58:47
  if
• 58:47
  you
• 58:48
  live
• 58:48
  there
• 58:49
  non
• 58:50
  stop
• 58:50
  and
• 58:50
  never
• 58:51
  ever
• 58:51
  leave,
• 58:52
  it's.
• 58:53
  Well,
• 58:53
  you
• 58:53
  turn
• 58:53
  into
• 58:53
  a
• 58:53
  fucking
• 58:54
  psychopath.
• 58:55
  Yeah.
• 58:55
  It's
• 58:55
  just
• 58:55
  not.
• 58:55
  It's
• 58:56
  not
• 58:56
  a
• 58:56
  good
• 58:56
  thing.
• 58:57
  And
• 58:57
  there
• 58:57
  the
• 58:58
  city
• 58:58
  is.
• 58:59
  I
• 58:59
  always
• 58:59
  feel
• 58:59
  like
• 58:59
  if
• 59:00
  you're
• 59:00
  not
• 59:00
  going
• 59:00
  to
• 59:00
  the
• 59:01
  Museums.
• 59:01
  You're
• 59:01
  not
• 59:01
  taking
• 59:02
  advantage
• 59:02
  of
• 59:02
  all
• 59:02
  the
• 59:03
  amazing
• 59:03
  things
• 59:03
  that
• 59:04
  the
• 59:04
  city
• 59:04
  has
• 59:04
  to
• 59:04
  offer.
• 59:05
  Then
• 59:05
  why
• 59:05
  in
• 59:05
  the.
• 59:06
  Are
• 59:06
  you
• 59:06
  paying
• 59:06
  the
• 59:06
  rent?
• 59:07
  That's
• 59:07
  the
• 59:07
  thing
• 59:07
  I
• 59:08
  couldn't
• 59:08
  afford
• 59:08
  to
• 59:08
  go.
• 59:08
  To
• 59:09
  take
• 59:09
  advantage.
• 59:09
  I
• 59:09
  mean,
• 59:09
  when
• 59:09
  I
• 59:10
  was
• 59:10
  living
• 59:10
  there,
• 59:10
  I
• 59:10
  realized
• 59:10
  towards
• 59:11
  the
• 59:11
  end,
• 59:11
  I
• 59:11
  was
• 59:11
  there
• 59:11
  for
• 59:11
  10
• 59:11
  years.
• 59:12
  I
• 59:12
  realized,
• 59:12
  like,
• 59:12
  I
• 59:13
  can't
• 59:13
  really
• 59:13
  even
• 59:13
  afford
• 59:14
  to
• 59:14
  do
• 59:14
  most
• 59:14
  of
• 59:14
  the
• 59:14
  things
• 59:14
  that
• 59:15
  New
• 59:15
  York
• 59:15
  offers
• 59:15
  because
• 59:15
  it
• 59:16
  was
• 59:16
  too
• 59:16
  fucking
• 59:16
  expensive.
• 59:17
  Like,
• 59:17
  I
• 59:17
  wasn't
• 59:17
  making.
• 59:18
  That's
• 59:18
  the
• 59:18
  thing
• 59:18
  about
• 59:18
  New
• 59:18
  York.
• 59:19
  I
• 59:19
  fucking.
• 59:19
  For
• 59:20
  10,
• 59:20
  12
• 59:21
  years,
• 59:21
  I
• 59:21
  never
• 59:22
  paid
• 59:22
  for
• 59:22
  a
• 59:22
  show.
• 59:22
  I
• 59:23
  never
• 59:23
  paid
• 59:23
  for
• 59:23
  a
• 59:23
  drink.
• 59:24
  And
• 59:24
  New
• 59:25
  York
• 59:25
  works
• 59:26
  like
• 59:26
  that
• 59:26
  in
• 59:26
  a
• 59:27
  way
• 59:27
  that.
• 59:27
  Like
• 59:27
  this
• 59:28
  people
• 59:28
  are
• 59:28
  totally
• 59:29
  foreign
• 59:30
  to
• 59:30
  the
• 59:30
  idea
• 59:31
  of.
• 59:31
  Like,
• 59:31
  I
• 59:32
  work
• 59:32
  in
• 59:32
  a
• 59:33
  photocopier
• 59:33
  place
• 59:34
  so
• 59:34
  I
• 59:34
  can
• 59:34
  get
• 59:34
  you
• 59:34
  cheap
• 59:35
  photocopies
• 59:36
  if
• 59:36
  you
• 59:36
  can
• 59:37
  give
• 59:37
  me
• 59:37
  a
• 59:37
  deal
• 59:37
  on
• 59:38
  beef
• 59:38
  or
• 59:38
  whatever.
• 59:39
  That's.
• 59:39
  That's
• 59:40
  how
• 59:40
  everything
• 59:40
  is
• 59:40
  done.
• 59:41
  Yeah,
• 59:41
  I
• 59:42
  never
• 59:42
  got.
• 59:43
  I
• 59:43
  was
• 59:43
  working
• 59:43
  in
• 59:44
  the
• 59:44
  editing
• 59:44
  industry
• 59:45
  and
• 59:45
  I
• 59:45
  never
• 59:45
  really
• 59:45
  felt
• 59:46
  that
• 59:46
  there
• 59:46
  was
• 59:46
  a.
• 59:46
  There
• 59:47
  was
• 59:47
  never
• 59:47
  a.
• 59:47
  You
• 59:48
  know,
• 59:48
  not
• 59:48
  that
• 59:49
  I
• 59:49
  didn't
• 59:49
  get
• 59:49
  jobs
• 59:50
  from
• 59:50
  friends
• 59:50
  and
• 59:50
  so
• 59:51
  forth
• 59:51
  and
• 59:51
  so
• 59:51
  on,
• 59:51
  but
• 59:51
  it
• 59:51
  was
• 59:51
  always
• 59:52
  just
• 59:52
  kind
• 59:52
  of
• 59:52
  a
• 59:52
  feast
• 59:52
  or
• 59:53
  famine
• 59:53
  thing.
• 59:55
  And
• 59:55
  yeah,
• 59:55
  it
• 59:55
  just
• 59:56
  got
• 59:56
  exhausting.
• 59:56
  But.
• 59:57
  So
• 59:58
  before
• 59:58
  we
• 59:59
  go,
• 59:59
  I
• 59:59
  have
• 59:59
  one
• 59:59
  last
• 1:00:00
  question.
• 1:00:00
  What
• 1:00:00
  do
• 1:00:00
  you
• 1:00:01
  think
• 1:00:01
  happens
• 1:00:02
  after
• 1:00:02
  we
• 1:00:02
  die,
• 1:00:03
  when
• 1:00:03
  this
• 1:00:03
  is
• 1:00:04
  all
• 1:00:04
  over?
• 1:00:05
  That
• 1:00:05
  question.
• 1:00:06
  To
• 1:00:06
  have
• 1:00:06
  that
• 1:00:06
  question
• 1:00:07
  is
• 1:00:07
  the
• 1:00:07
  most
• 1:00:07
  obvious
• 1:00:08
  thing
• 1:00:08
  in
• 1:00:08
  the
• 1:00:08
  world.
• 1:00:08
  It
• 1:00:08
  is
• 1:00:09
  for
• 1:00:09
  people,
• 1:00:09
  for
• 1:00:09
  sure.
• 1:00:10
  In
• 1:00:10
  general,
• 1:00:10
  you
• 1:00:11
  understand
• 1:00:11
  why
• 1:00:11
  that
• 1:00:11
  question
• 1:00:12
  has
• 1:00:12
  always
• 1:00:12
  been
• 1:00:12
  here.
• 1:00:13
  And
• 1:00:13
  I
• 1:00:13
  feel
• 1:00:14
  like
• 1:00:14
  some
• 1:00:14
  of
• 1:00:14
  the
• 1:00:14
  greatest
• 1:00:15
  minds,
• 1:00:16
  probably
• 1:00:16
  that
• 1:00:16
  have
• 1:00:16
  lived
• 1:00:16
  on
• 1:00:16
  earth
• 1:00:17
  have
• 1:00:17
  devoted
• 1:00:17
  a
• 1:00:18
  lot
• 1:00:18
  of
• 1:00:18
  their
• 1:00:18
  time
• 1:00:18
  into
• 1:00:18
  trying
• 1:00:19
  to
• 1:00:19
  puzzle
• 1:00:20
  that
• 1:00:20
  out.
• 1:00:21
  And
• 1:00:21
  I
• 1:00:21
  think
• 1:00:21
  that
• 1:00:22
  that
• 1:00:22
  is
• 1:00:22
  one
• 1:00:22
  of
• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
  saddest,
• 1:00:23
  dumbest
• 1:00:24
  wastes
• 1:00:24
  of
• 1:00:25
  time
• 1:00:25
  that
• 1:00:26
  has
• 1:00:26
  ever
• 1:00:26
  happened.
• 1:00:27
  Because
• 1:00:27
  everyone
• 1:00:28
  has
• 1:00:28
  the
• 1:00:28
  answer.
• 1:00:29
  You
• 1:00:30
  don't
• 1:00:30
  know.
• 1:00:30
  You're
• 1:00:31
  not
• 1:00:31
  allowed
• 1:00:31
  to
• 1:00:31
  know.
• 1:00:32
  You're
• 1:00:32
  not
• 1:00:32
  gonna
• 1:00:33
  know.
• 1:00:33
  And
• 1:00:33
  you
• 1:00:33
  wait
• 1:00:34
  and
• 1:00:34
  find
• 1:00:34
  out.
• 1:00:34
  That's
• 1:00:35
  it.
• 1:00:35
  Sure.
• 1:00:35
  But
• 1:00:36
  I'm
• 1:00:36
  not
• 1:00:36
  saying
• 1:00:36
  we.
• 1:00:36
  There's
• 1:00:37
  any
• 1:00:37
  knowledge
• 1:00:37
  of
• 1:00:37
  it.
• 1:00:38
  I'm
• 1:00:38
  asking
• 1:00:38
  for
• 1:00:38
  a
• 1:00:38
  hypothesis.
• 1:00:39
  I
• 1:00:39
  don't.
• 1:00:40
  Why
• 1:00:40
  would
• 1:00:40
  I
• 1:00:40
  have
• 1:00:40
  one?
• 1:00:41
  That's
• 1:00:41
  the
• 1:00:41
  whole
• 1:00:42
  thing,
• 1:00:42
  is
• 1:00:42
  not
• 1:00:42
  knowing.
• 1:00:43
  People
• 1:00:43
  are
• 1:00:43
  so
• 1:00:44
  uncomfortable
• 1:00:45
  with
• 1:00:45
  saying
• 1:00:45
  that
• 1:00:46
  the
• 1:00:46
  answer
• 1:00:46
  to
• 1:00:46
  something
• 1:00:47
  sometimes
• 1:00:47
  is,
• 1:00:48
  I
• 1:00:48
  don't
• 1:00:48
  know.
• 1:00:49
  Particularly
• 1:00:49
  that
• 1:00:49
  question,
• 1:00:50
  though.
• 1:00:50
  I
• 1:00:50
  mean,
• 1:00:50
  I
• 1:00:50
  think
• 1:00:50
  that
• 1:00:51
  there's
• 1:00:51
  a
• 1:00:51
  lot
• 1:00:51
  of
• 1:00:51
  questions
• 1:00:51
  that
• 1:00:51
  saying
• 1:00:52
  I
• 1:00:52
  don't
• 1:00:52
  know
• 1:00:52
  two
• 1:00:52
  is
• 1:00:52
  different.
• 1:00:53
  But,
• 1:00:53
  like,
• 1:00:53
  this
• 1:00:53
  is
• 1:00:53
  why
• 1:00:53
  a
• 1:00:53
  lot
• 1:00:54
  of
• 1:00:54
  religions
• 1:00:54
  exist.
• 1:00:54
  Because,
• 1:00:55
  like,
• 1:00:55
  people
• 1:00:55
  are
• 1:00:56
  uncomfortable
• 1:00:56
  with
• 1:00:56
  the
• 1:00:56
  idea
• 1:00:57
  of
• 1:00:57
  not
• 1:00:57
  knowing
• 1:00:57
  what
• 1:00:58
  happens.
• 1:00:58
  So
• 1:00:58
  you
• 1:00:58
  have
• 1:00:58
  to
• 1:00:59
  have
• 1:00:59
  a
• 1:00:59
  story.
• 1:00:59
  Not
• 1:00:59
  all.
• 1:01:00
  They're
• 1:01:00
  also
• 1:01:00
  uncomfortable
• 1:01:01
  with
• 1:01:01
  themselves
• 1:01:02
  in
• 1:01:02
  a
• 1:01:02
  way
• 1:01:03
  that
• 1:01:03
  won't
• 1:01:03
  allow
• 1:01:03
  them
• 1:01:03
  to
• 1:01:04
  believe
• 1:01:04
  their
• 1:01:05
  own
• 1:01:05
  feelings.
• 1:01:05
  So
• 1:01:06
  they
• 1:01:06
  fucking
• 1:01:06
  fall
• 1:01:06
  for
• 1:01:07
  some
• 1:01:07
  dumb
• 1:01:07
  ass
• 1:01:07
  religion
• 1:01:08
  where
• 1:01:08
  you're
• 1:01:09
  allowing
• 1:01:09
  someone
• 1:01:09
  else
• 1:01:10
  to
• 1:01:10
  dictate
• 1:01:11
  what
• 1:01:11
  you
• 1:01:12
  think
• 1:01:12
  about
• 1:01:13
  Kevin
• 1:01:14
  and
• 1:01:14
  God
• 1:01:14
  and
• 1:01:14
  everything.
• 1:01:15
  That
• 1:01:15
  is
• 1:01:15
  how
• 1:01:15
  you
• 1:01:15
  cut
• 1:01:16
  your
• 1:01:16
  meat.
• 1:01:16
  So
• 1:01:17
  obvious,
• 1:01:18
  childish
• 1:01:19
  and
• 1:01:19
  ridiculous.
• 1:01:20
  It's
• 1:01:21
  just
• 1:01:21
  like
• 1:01:21
  foot
• 1:01:21
  stamping
• 1:01:22
  anger
• 1:01:22
  to
• 1:01:23
  be
• 1:01:23
  like,
• 1:01:23
  I
• 1:01:23
  want
• 1:01:23
  to
• 1:01:23
  know.
• 1:01:24
  It's
• 1:01:24
  just
• 1:01:25
  I
• 1:01:25
  can't
• 1:01:25
  wait
• 1:01:26
  to
• 1:01:26
  find
• 1:01:26
  out.
• 1:01:26
  So
• 1:01:26
  how
• 1:01:26
  do
• 1:01:27
  you
• 1:01:27
  really
• 1:01:27
  feel
• 1:01:27
  about
• 1:01:27
  it?
• 1:01:27
  I'm
• 1:01:28
  serious.
• 1:01:29
  I've
• 1:01:29
  been
• 1:01:29
  thinking
• 1:01:30
  about
• 1:01:30
  this
• 1:01:30
  since
• 1:01:30
  I
• 1:01:30
  was
• 1:01:30
  in.
• 1:01:31
  Before
• 1:01:31
  kindergarten.
• 1:01:32
  Right.
• 1:01:32
  I
• 1:01:32
  cannot
• 1:01:33
  wait
• 1:01:33
  to
• 1:01:33
  die.
• 1:01:34
  But
• 1:01:34
  I'm
• 1:01:34
  really
• 1:01:35
  also
• 1:01:35
  excited
• 1:01:35
  to
• 1:01:36
  have
• 1:01:36
  the
• 1:01:36
  chance
• 1:01:36
  to
• 1:01:36
  be
• 1:01:37
  alive.
• 1:01:37
  Like,
• 1:01:38
  everything
• 1:01:38
  that
• 1:01:38
  happens
• 1:01:39
  is
• 1:01:39
  because
• 1:01:39
  for
• 1:01:40
  some
• 1:01:40
  reason
• 1:01:40
  I
• 1:01:41
  got
• 1:01:41
  this
• 1:01:41
  chance.
• 1:01:41
  And
• 1:01:42
  hopefully
• 1:01:43
  after
• 1:01:43
  I
• 1:01:43
  die,
• 1:01:44
  I'll
• 1:01:44
  find
• 1:01:44
  out
• 1:01:44
  a
• 1:01:45
  little
• 1:01:45
  bit
• 1:01:45
  more
• 1:01:45
  about
• 1:01:45
  all
• 1:01:46
  that.
• 1:01:46
  I
• 1:01:46
  really
• 1:01:46
  hope
• 1:01:46
  so,
• 1:01:47
  for
• 1:01:47
  sure.
• 1:01:47
  In
• 1:01:47
  my
• 1:01:48
  heart,
• 1:01:49
  I
• 1:01:49
  believe
• 1:01:49
  there's
• 1:01:50
  something.
• 1:01:50
  No,
• 1:01:51
  I
• 1:01:51
  really
• 1:01:51
  do.
• 1:01:52
  I
• 1:01:52
  don't.
• 1:01:53
  I
• 1:01:53
  don't
• 1:01:53
  know
• 1:01:53
  and
• 1:01:54
  I
• 1:01:54
  don't
• 1:01:54
  consciousness.
• 1:01:55
  Is
• 1:01:55
  so
• 1:01:55
  complicated
• 1:01:56
  to
• 1:01:56
  make
• 1:01:57
  a
• 1:01:57
  hypothesis
• 1:01:58
  about
• 1:01:58
  that.
• 1:01:58
  Fair
• 1:01:58
  enough.
• 1:01:59
  Where
• 1:01:59
  are
• 1:01:59
  you,
• 1:01:59
  though,
• 1:02:00
  spiritually?
• 1:02:01
  Like,
• 1:02:01
  where's
• 1:02:01
  your
• 1:02:01
  spirituality
• 1:02:02
  lie
• 1:02:02
  these
• 1:02:02
  days?
• 1:02:03
  You
• 1:02:03
  know,
• 1:02:04
  I've
• 1:02:05
  picked
• 1:02:05
  up
• 1:02:05
  bits
• 1:02:05
  and
• 1:02:05
  pieces
• 1:02:06
  from
• 1:02:07
  everything.
• 1:02:07
  You
• 1:02:07
  know,
• 1:02:07
  I
• 1:02:08
  still
• 1:02:08
  find
• 1:02:08
  mantras
• 1:02:09
  are
• 1:02:09
  very
• 1:02:09
  helpful
• 1:02:10
  for
• 1:02:10
  me,
• 1:02:10
  which
• 1:02:10
  is
• 1:02:10
  something
• 1:02:11
  that's
• 1:02:11
  big
• 1:02:11
  in
• 1:02:11
  Hindu
• 1:02:12
  faith
• 1:02:12
  and
• 1:02:12
  everything
• 1:02:13
  like
• 1:02:13
  that.
• 1:02:13
  Those
• 1:02:14
  are
• 1:02:14
  just
• 1:02:14
  little
• 1:02:14
  things
• 1:02:14
  that,
• 1:02:15
  again,
• 1:02:15
  that
• 1:02:15
  help
• 1:02:16
  me
• 1:02:16
  kind
• 1:02:16
  of
• 1:02:16
  get
• 1:02:16
  along
• 1:02:17
  with
• 1:02:17
  living
• 1:02:18
  my
• 1:02:18
  spirituality
• 1:02:19
  begins
• 1:02:20
  and
• 1:02:20
  ends
• 1:02:20
  pretty
• 1:02:20
  much
• 1:02:21
  with.
• 1:02:21
  Pretty
• 1:02:21
  much
• 1:02:22
  with.
• 1:02:22
  I
• 1:02:23
  really
• 1:02:23
  think
• 1:02:24
  there's
• 1:02:24
  something.
• 1:02:24
  I
• 1:02:24
  really
• 1:02:25
  believe
• 1:02:25
  that.
• 1:02:26
  But
• 1:02:26
  there's
• 1:02:27
  facts
• 1:02:27
  and
• 1:02:28
  there's
• 1:02:28
  beliefs
• 1:02:29
  and
• 1:02:29
  like
• 1:02:29
  so
• 1:02:29
  many
• 1:02:30
  people
• 1:02:30
  get
• 1:02:30
  confused
• 1:02:31
  and
• 1:02:31
  think
• 1:02:31
  their
• 1:02:32
  beliefs
• 1:02:32
  are
• 1:02:32
  facts.
• 1:02:33
  That's
• 1:02:33
  when
• 1:02:34
  it
• 1:02:34
  never
• 1:02:34
  works.
• 1:02:35
  Where
• 1:02:35
  we
• 1:02:35
  ended
• 1:02:35
  up
• 1:02:35
  in
• 1:02:36
  the
• 1:02:36
  world
• 1:02:36
  we're
• 1:02:36
  in
• 1:02:36
  right
• 1:02:37
  now.
• 1:02:37
  And
• 1:02:37
  the
• 1:02:37
  more
• 1:02:38
  complex
• 1:02:38
  the
• 1:02:38
  belief,
• 1:02:39
  I
• 1:02:39
  think
• 1:02:39
  the
• 1:02:39
  more
• 1:02:40
  problematic
• 1:02:40
  it
• 1:02:40
  is
• 1:02:41
  if
• 1:02:41
  you
• 1:02:41
  think
• 1:02:41
  of
• 1:02:42
  it
• 1:02:42
  as
• 1:02:42
  a.
• 1:02:42
  As
• 1:02:42
  a
• 1:02:42
  fact.
• 1:02:43
  So
• 1:02:43
  religion
• 1:02:44
  obviously
• 1:02:44
  has.
• 1:02:44
  Is
• 1:02:45
  very
• 1:02:45
  complicated
• 1:02:45
  and
• 1:02:46
  complex,
• 1:02:46
  causes
• 1:02:47
  a
• 1:02:47
  million
• 1:02:47
  problems.
• 1:02:48
  And
• 1:02:49
  I
• 1:02:49
  feel
• 1:02:49
  pretty
• 1:02:50
  comfortable
• 1:02:50
  with
• 1:02:50
  like,
• 1:02:50
  yeah,
• 1:02:51
  I
• 1:02:51
  think
• 1:02:51
  something's
• 1:02:51
  gonna
• 1:02:51
  happen.
• 1:02:52
  I'm
• 1:02:52
  not
• 1:02:52
  sure,
• 1:02:53
  but
• 1:02:53
  I
• 1:02:53
  can't
• 1:02:53
  wait
• 1:02:53
  to
• 1:02:54
  find
• 1:02:54
  out.
• 1:02:54
  And
• 1:02:54
  that's
• 1:02:55
  as
• 1:02:55
  far
• 1:02:55
  as
• 1:02:55
  I'll
• 1:02:55
  allow
• 1:02:56
  myself
• 1:02:56
  to
• 1:02:56
  even
• 1:02:56
  think
• 1:02:57
  down
• 1:02:57
  those
• 1:02:57
  lines.
• 1:02:58
  Jason,
• 1:02:58
  thanks
• 1:02:59
  so
• 1:02:59
  much
• 1:02:59
  for
• 1:02:59
  doing
• 1:02:59
  this,
• 1:02:59
  man.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah,
• 1:03:00
  no
• 1:03:00
  problem.
• 1:03:01
  Nice
• 1:03:01
  time.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah,
• 1:03:02
  dude.
• 1:03:02
  Thanks,
• 1:03:02
  man.
• 1:03:06
  And
• 1:03:06
  there
• 1:03:07
  you
• 1:03:07
  go.
• 1:03:07
  A
• 1:03:08
  little
• 1:03:08
  piece
• 1:03:08
  of
• 1:03:08
  the
• 1:03:09
  fascinating
• 1:03:09
  life
• 1:03:10
  of
• 1:03:10
  Jason
• 1:03:10
  Wachtelhausen.
• 1:03:12
  You
• 1:03:12
  can
• 1:03:12
  follow
• 1:03:13
  Jason
• 1:03:13
  on
• 1:03:13
  Instagram
• 1:03:14
  Ogmuseum.
• 1:03:16
  That's
• 1:03:17
  D
• 1:03:17
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• 1:03:17
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:19
  E
• 1:03:19
  U
• 1:03:19
  m.
• 1:03:20
  You
• 1:03:21
  can
• 1:03:21
  follow
• 1:03:21
  me
• 1:03:21
  on
• 1:03:21
  Instagram
• 1:03:22
  @1f
• 1:03:22
  jeff
• 1:03:23
  and
• 1:03:24
  you
• 1:03:24
  can
• 1:03:24
  email
• 1:03:24
  the
• 1:03:24
  podcast@1fjeffpodmail.com
• 1:03:28
  and
• 1:03:28
  I
• 1:03:28
  also
• 1:03:29
  hope
• 1:03:29
  you
• 1:03:29
  will,
• 1:03:29
  like,
• 1:03:29
  rate,
• 1:03:30
  review,
• 1:03:30
  and
• 1:03:30
  subscribe
• 1:03:31
  on
• 1:03:31
  whatever
• 1:03:32
  platform
• 1:03:32
  you
• 1:03:32
  happen
• 1:03:32
  to
• 1:03:33
  be
• 1:03:33
  consuming
• 1:03:33
  this
• 1:03:33
  on.
• 1:03:34
  And
• 1:03:35
  again,
• 1:03:35
  thank
• 1:03:35
  you
• 1:03:35
  for
• 1:03:35
  listening.
• 1:03:37
  I
• 1:03:37
  hope
• 1:03:37
  you
• 1:03:37
  enjoyed
• 1:03:38
  it.
• 1:03:39
  If
• 1:03:39
  you
• 1:03:39
  did
• 1:03:39
  enjoy
• 1:03:39
  it,
• 1:03:39
  I
• 1:03:40
  hope
• 1:03:40
  you
• 1:03:40
  listen
• 1:03:40
  to
• 1:03:40
  it
• 1:03:40
  again
• 1:03:41
  just
• 1:03:41
  a
• 1:03:41
  little
• 1:03:41
  bit
• 1:03:41
  louder.
• 1:03:43
  Perhaps
• 1:03:43
  in
• 1:03:43
  a
• 1:03:43
  different
• 1:03:44
  environment,
• 1:03:44
  maybe
• 1:03:45
  in
• 1:03:45
  the
• 1:03:45
  car
• 1:03:45
  this
• 1:03:46
  time,
• 1:03:47
  maybe
• 1:03:47
  washing
• 1:03:47
  dishes.
• 1:03:48
  I
• 1:03:49
  don't
• 1:03:49
  know.
• 1:03:49
  You
• 1:03:49
  pick.
• 1:03:52
  If
• 1:03:53
  you
• 1:03:53
  do
• 1:03:53
  listen
• 1:03:53
  to
• 1:03:53
  it
• 1:03:53
  in
• 1:03:54
  your
• 1:03:54
  car,
• 1:03:54
  I
• 1:03:54
  recommend
• 1:03:54
  you
• 1:03:54
  turn
• 1:03:55
  it
• 1:03:55
  up
• 1:03:55
  very
• 1:03:55
  loud
• 1:03:56
  and
• 1:03:56
  roll
• 1:03:56
  the
• 1:03:56
  windows
• 1:03:56
  down
• 1:03:57
  just
• 1:03:57
  so
• 1:03:57
  everybody
• 1:03:57
  else
• 1:03:58
  can
• 1:03:58
  hear.
• 1:03:59
  If
• 1:03:59
  somebody
• 1:04:00
  says
• 1:04:00
  to
• 1:04:00
  you,
• 1:04:00
  what
• 1:04:00
  are
• 1:04:01
  you
• 1:04:01
  listening
• 1:04:01
  to?
• 1:04:01
  You
• 1:04:02
  say,
• 1:04:02
  what?
• 1:04:03
  And
• 1:04:04
  then
• 1:04:04
  they
• 1:04:04
  yell
• 1:04:04
  again,
• 1:04:04
  what
• 1:04:05
  are
• 1:04:05
  you
• 1:04:05
  listening
• 1:04:05
  to?
• 1:04:06
  And
• 1:04:06
  then
• 1:04:06
  you
• 1:04:06
  say,
• 1:04:07
  what?
• 1:04:08
  Then
• 1:04:08
  they
• 1:04:08
  say,
• 1:04:08
  turn
• 1:04:08
  it,
• 1:04:09
  turn
• 1:04:09
  it
• 1:04:09
  down.
• 1:04:09
  So
• 1:04:09
  you
• 1:04:10
  pause
• 1:04:10
  it.
• 1:04:11
  And
• 1:04:11
  they
• 1:04:12
  say,
• 1:04:12
  what
• 1:04:12
  are
• 1:04:12
  you
• 1:04:12
  listening
• 1:04:12
  to?
• 1:04:13
  And
• 1:04:13
  you
• 1:04:13
  say,
• 1:04:14
  oh,
• 1:04:14
  I'm
• 1:04:15
  listening
• 1:04:15
  to
• 1:04:15
  one
• 1:04:15
  F.
• 1:04:16
  Jeff.
• 1:04:16
  Very
• 1:04:16
  good,
• 1:04:17
  Jeffrey.