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The Late Debate | 4 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome the late base.
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  Speaker 2: Great thanks for joining us on the late Debates. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. Coming up tonight,
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  Speaker 2: Formula one drivers at the Melbourne Grand Prix told to
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  Speaker 2: watch their language.
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  Speaker 3: We'll explain why a bit later.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow, the
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  Speaker 2: federal government's green hydrogen dreams exposed. It's just that dream,
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  Speaker 2: although when you look at the amount of money invested,
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  Speaker 2: it's more like a nightmare. And former immigration detainees, including
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  Speaker 2: rapists and murderers, being paid five hundred dollars a week
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  Speaker 2: to live in the community. We'll get to all of
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  Speaker 2: that a little later, but first, you know, just when
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  Speaker 2: you thought government waste could not possibly get any worse,
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  Speaker 2: have a look at this.
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  Speaker 3: It's been revealed in Senate estimates.
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  Speaker 2: That public servants have been enrolled in drama classes at
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  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars cost to tax pay. So these
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  Speaker 2: public servants can learn to communicate with empathy, which kind
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  Speaker 2: of begs the question, if you take acting classes to
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  Speaker 2: show empathy, do you then need follow up acting classes
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  Speaker 2: to learn how to feign sincerity. The classes were provided
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  Speaker 2: for thirteen top bureaucrats over two days at NIDA, the
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  Speaker 2: National Institute of Dramatic Art. Now Claire Chandler, the Liberal Senator,
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  Speaker 2: was outraged by this. She told estimates on the Albenzy
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  Speaker 2: government's Watch Services Australia spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: money on speechwriters and drama classes, while Australians will left
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  Speaker 2: waiting months for their pensions to be approved. I suppose, Calebin,
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  Speaker 2: there's the advantage in this is for all those pensioners
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  Speaker 2: waiting wondering where is my welfare check? At least when
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  Speaker 2: you ring Services Australia you will get empathy, and not
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  Speaker 2: just empathy, but you'll get it with dramatic flare. She
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  Speaker 2: went on to say, this is a typical example of
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  Speaker 2: the Albaneze government's wait, full spending and bizarre priorities amidst
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  Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis. Liza kind of makes me wonder,
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  Speaker 2: how do you get to be a top bureaucrat overseeing
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  Speaker 2: thousands of people if you need to go to Neider
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  Speaker 2: to learn skills in communication, that alone, you know, showing
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  Speaker 2: basic empathy with people.
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  Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm genuinely torn on this one because
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  Speaker 4: while it seems.
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  Speaker 5: Laughable at face value.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone who ever tries to treat and squeeze a drop
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  Speaker 4: of blood out of someone on the other end of
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  Speaker 4: the line. You're just trying to deal with one of
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  Speaker 4: these government departments, and these ones, particularly Oversea Centering and Medicare.
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  Speaker 5: So people are trying to make.
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  Speaker 4: Claims there are at vulnerable points in their lives.
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  Speaker 5: These people do not care if you live or die.
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  Speaker 4: Now, luckily I haven't had much to do with Medicare.
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  Speaker 4: I am in good health, always have been, thank the Lord,
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  Speaker 4: and neither have I had much to do Center Link ever.
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  Speaker 4: But the exchanges that I have had with government entities
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  Speaker 4: when I'm just trying to like sort out parking fines
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  Speaker 4: or dealing with Services New South Wales who could do
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  Speaker 4: with their training, men's maybe hit up nider. They are
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  Speaker 4: completely and utterly robotic. They are dealing with people on
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  Speaker 4: a daily basis who are incredibly vulnerable. They are not
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  Speaker 4: in a good place in their lives, hence them needing
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  Speaker 4: to communicate with you. And these people are down right horrible.
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  Speaker 5: I would go so far as to say.
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  Speaker 4: Low key traumatic experiences with Service New South Wales.
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  Speaker 5: I am not kidding. I am no wallflower.
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  Speaker 4: I am no pushover, as you've probably figured out.
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  Speaker 5: But those guys took.
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  Speaker 4: Me to the edge of my sanity and they're not
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  Speaker 4: even they're not even appt at their jobs to make
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  Speaker 4: up for the fact that they clearly do not give
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  Speaker 4: a rap.
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  Speaker 5: And so if it was.
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  Speaker 4: Those kinds of people that were receiving this training, I'd
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  Speaker 4: say taxpayer money well spent.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you go to the leadership coach rather than a
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  Speaker 2: drama coach.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is the thing, right, because you get an
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  Speaker 6: acting lesson on how to show empathy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to tell you people at.
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  Speaker 6: Home what empathy means if you didn't already know.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I think I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Telling this to the public service what empathy means, because
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  Speaker 6: they didn't seem to understand it. According to the Oxford Dictionary,
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  Speaker 6: empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings
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  Speaker 6: of another Now, I'm pretty sure if you take an
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  Speaker 6: acting lesson, you learn how to seem like you know,
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  Speaker 6: to be empathetic.
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  Speaker 1: You don't actually learn how to be empathetic.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, just because you've had an acting lesson, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mean you actually understand the feelings of another person.
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  Speaker 6: It's just that You've been taught to deal with them
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  Speaker 6: in such a way that it makes it look like.
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  Speaker 7: You understand how they're feeling.
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  Speaker 6: That's not empathy. That's fraud, is what that is.
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  Speaker 1: We need to have a fact check though, on.
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  Speaker 7: This business, Liz that you're always in good health.
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  Speaker 6: You have been splattering more than a diesel engine on
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  Speaker 6: a cold.
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  Speaker 1: Morning since you got back from.
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  Speaker 6: Pommy Land, so I won't be hearing any of this
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  Speaker 6: business about how you're in good health.
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  Speaker 4: Can I just say I was in perfectly good health
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  Speaker 4: and the woman I was sat next to on Qatar
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  Speaker 4: Airways otherwise known as Hamas Airways, I got in big
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  Speaker 4: trouble for flying Katar at art. They're all like, you're
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  Speaker 4: supporting the wrong people.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, good grief, I just got the cheapest flight.
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  Speaker 5: Ear thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: She was sat next to me with a chesty cough
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  Speaker 4: the entire time. This should be grounds for a citizens arrest,
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, it really should be. Did not cover
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  Speaker 4: her mouth once, did not wear a mask, wasn't even
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  Speaker 4: a single semblance of apologetic for the fact that she
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  Speaker 4: was spreading the plague. I swear she was patient zero
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  Speaker 4: on that she loves and we stepped next for fourteen hours.
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  Speaker 5: It should be a criminal thing.
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  Speaker 3: You got to say something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting here four nights a week next to someone
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  Speaker 2: with a chesty cough, who doesn't does not wear a mask,
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  Speaker 2: and has never apologized.
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  Speaker 3: So we will move on.
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  Speaker 5: It.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get back to the topic at hand.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of public servants, Peter Dutton has announced that if elected,
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  Speaker 2: he will require public servants in Canberra to get back
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  Speaker 2: to the office at present. Fully a quarter of public
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  Speaker 2: servants in Canberra work from home at some point last year.
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  Speaker 2: He says, from a coalition government's point of view, it
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  Speaker 2: will be five days a week back in the office.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 8: I think Australian taxpayers, who are working harder than ever
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  Speaker 8: under this government and barely keeping the head above water.
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  Speaker 8: I think they expect the government and the government employees
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  Speaker 8: to be working as hard as they are, and people
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  Speaker 8: refusing to go back to work in Canberra is not acceptable.
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  Speaker 8: We need an efficient delivery of government services now.
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  Speaker 2: Whether you agree with Dutton or not, I thought and
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  Speaker 2: the Albanesi's response was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: He called this Trumpian.
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  Speaker 2: Policy bocause so obviously Gump has thought of it.
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  Speaker 1: People don't work bad Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, bear in mind, we still don't
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  Speaker 2: know whether America is going to hit us with tariffs yet,
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  Speaker 2: and so for Anthony Albanesi to be going around talking
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  Speaker 2: about Trumpian policy is probably not wise. The Coalition are
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  Speaker 2: saying simply that rather than working from home being a
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  Speaker 2: right as it has become under Federal Labor, it would
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  Speaker 2: be more a request that would be made under the Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: and they would handle things on a case by case basis.
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  Speaker 2: So women, for instance, who wanted to work from home
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  Speaker 2: because they had young children, well it would be considered.
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  Speaker 2: They're not saying no, they're just saying it's not a
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  Speaker 2: right that is automatically guaranteed. It would have to work
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  Speaker 2: for you and for the organization. That sounds eminently fair
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  Speaker 2: and sensible.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it does.
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  Speaker 6: As I've said many times before, get your lazy ass
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  Speaker 6: back to the office. The rest of us are in
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  Speaker 6: the office doing the things that we've all always done
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  Speaker 6: for time immemorial. And the problem, of course, particularly if
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  Speaker 6: you're a public servant and your workload's probably pretty light anyway,
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  Speaker 6: but if you actually want to get some work done, if.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's in the office. I've got a problem needs to
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  Speaker 1: be solved.
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  Speaker 6: I can get up from my desk and I can
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  Speaker 6: walk five desks away and say to someone, dada da
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  Speaker 6: da da, problem solved.
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  Speaker 1: We've worked out how to do it.
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  Speaker 6: If you're working from home, I've got to call you
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  Speaker 6: up and make an appointment to get you on Zoom
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  Speaker 6: at two pm tomorrow afternoon in order to fix anything.
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  Speaker 6: If everyone is in the office, it's much easier to
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  Speaker 6: get jobs done. And of course you'd like to think
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  Speaker 6: we'd have a more efficient public service. But I think
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  Speaker 6: this also serves another purpose because Dutton and the Coalition
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  Speaker 6: have said that they want to cut the public service,
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  Speaker 6: specifically the thirty six thousand odd public servants that have
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  Speaker 6: been added to the workforce.
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  Speaker 1: Under the alban Easy government.
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  Speaker 6: And this is a good way to get rid of
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  Speaker 6: people without actually sacking them, because I've made the argument
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  Speaker 6: before at the public service everywhere needs to be cut
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  Speaker 6: and one of the easiest ways to do it is
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  Speaker 6: by attrition. When someone leaves the public service, don't hire
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  Speaker 6: another person.
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  Speaker 1: You're able to get.
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  Speaker 6: Your numbers down very quickly if you do that, and
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  Speaker 6: you don't have to fire a single person. So if
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  Speaker 6: they start saying, well, you've got to be in the
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  Speaker 6: office five days a week, and people go, well, I
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  Speaker 6: don't like that. They'll go and get a job somewhere else.
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  Speaker 6: And then you get to cut the public service without
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  Speaker 6: actually sacking anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Is that not the ideal situation.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can understand why he's doing it. He
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  Speaker 4: knows that this will be everyone sitting at home. We'll
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  Speaker 4: be like, yeah, you guys, get backed to work. But
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  Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned, a coalition government, we're going
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  Speaker 4: to force everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Back to work.
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  Speaker 4: It was a coalition government that stood by and did
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  Speaker 4: fat nothing when millions.
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  Speaker 5: Of healthy people were forced.
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  Speaker 4: To work at home, millions of healthy children weren't allowed
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  Speaker 4: to go to school, and those adults have not returned
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  Speaker 4: to the workplace, and that some of those kids still haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Return to school.
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  Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned, it's your fault, So don't
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  Speaker 4: come cry and now being like, oh, no, people have
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  Speaker 4: discovered a better work life balance and we're not going
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  Speaker 4: to give it to them anymore. You made this problem
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  Speaker 4: when you took ridiculous measures of a jolly pandemic that
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  Speaker 4: had a well over ninety eight percent recovery rate. Mate,
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  Speaker 4: so I get that you're trying to win an election,
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  Speaker 4: that's very obvious, But do me a favor. You guys
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  Speaker 4: started the problem, and nobody believes that public servants are
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  Speaker 4: going to be that much more productive in the workplace.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb, Well, maybe your.
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  Speaker 4: Argument does apply it to the private sector, but public sector. Please,
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  Speaker 4: last year alone, we forked out thirty seven point three
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars on just three hundred and sixty thousand employees.
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  Speaker 5: Are any of us better off?
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  Speaker 6: No, we're not now, But you see, public servants get
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  Speaker 6: things done over yoga sessions during the day, and of
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  Speaker 6: course if they're not in the office, they can't go
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  Speaker 6: to yoga together, can they? And can you imagine trying
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  Speaker 6: this on down in Victoria? Of course, because we know
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  Speaker 6: what their public service has been like. They've had so
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  Speaker 6: much trouble getting people back to the office down in Victoria,
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  Speaker 6: and a lot of that has come down to the
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  Speaker 6: weakness of the Victorian government. And we get yet another
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  Speaker 6: example of that today.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 6: The Herald Son, the Saturday Herald's son on the weekend
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  Speaker 6: had an exclusive report that kiddy crims would be allowed
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  Speaker 6: back into the classrooms. Specifically, there was going to be
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  Speaker 6: a trial of fifty kids with ankle bracelets, and these
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  Speaker 6: would be kids who were teenagers at high risk of
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  Speaker 6: bail non compliance or reoffending being allowed to go back
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  Speaker 6: into public school classrooms with other children. And you might go,
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  Speaker 6: what the hell, what you're going to let these crims
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  Speaker 6: go and mix with my kid at school.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that. That seemed fair enough.
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  Speaker 6: And then of course they were asked about this the
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  Speaker 6: government over the weekend and they said, this is a
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  Speaker 6: spokesman from the Victorian government that there was strict criteria
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  Speaker 6: when determining who is suitable for the electronic monitoring program.
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  Speaker 6: Getting young people re engaged with school, training or work
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  Speaker 6: is a proven way to help them break the cycle
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  Speaker 6: of offending. We will always prioritize the safety of staff
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  Speaker 6: and students.
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  Speaker 1: So that was Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: At that point the government was all on board with
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  Speaker 6: these kids being allowed to go into the classroom. We'll
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  Speaker 6: fast forward to today Tuesday, and the Education Minister, who's
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  Speaker 6: also the Deputy Premier, Ben Carrell, says, actually, no, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Off the agenda now, we're not going to do it.
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  Speaker 6: But the most interesting part is that he said he
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  Speaker 6: learnt about this by reading it in the paper. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: he picked up the Herald Son on Saturday morning and
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  Speaker 6: learned as the Education Minister and Deputy Premier that his
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  Speaker 6: government was going to allow fifty child criminals to mix.
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  Speaker 1: It with normal kids.
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  Speaker 7: Here he was at a press conference today.
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  Speaker 9: Well, my reaction was at the bureaucracy got this wrong
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  Speaker 9: and it's not appropriate for kids wearing ankle bracelets to
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  Speaker 9: be in mainstream school settings. That's why I've sent the
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  Speaker 9: department back to the drawing board.
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  Speaker 1: The bureaucrats have got it wrong.
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  Speaker 6: He is correct in saying that, But you're the education minister, mate,
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  Speaker 6: Like this got to the point where the trial was
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  Speaker 6: going to go ahead next month.
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  Speaker 1: It turns up in.
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  Speaker 6: The paper and that's the first you've heard of child
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  Speaker 6: criminals being allowed to mix it with other kids in schools.
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  Speaker 6: Does the bloke have any control of his department whatsoever?
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  Speaker 6: And of course it comes hot on the heels of
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  Speaker 6: a few weeks ago the Premier announcing justinter Allen that
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  Speaker 6: there would be a review of bail laws. Then the
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  Speaker 6: Police Minister comes out and says, well, there's not really
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  Speaker 6: a review of bail laws at all.
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  Speaker 1: I've got some ideas in my bottom.
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  Speaker 6: Drawer that I could pull out to make it all work.
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  Speaker 6: And then the Attorney General didn't speak for four days,
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  Speaker 6: and then she finally came out and and didn't tell
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  Speaker 6: us anything we didn't already know. And the only reason
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  Speaker 6: she came out to talk to us eventually was because
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  Speaker 6: she found out again another thing that a minister didn't
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  Speaker 6: know that bail services in Victoria were being run by
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  Speaker 6: private companies. And one of these companies had just stopped
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  Speaker 6: working and not told the government that they were doing it,
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  Speaker 6: and they had criminals on bail at large walking around Victoria, and.
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  Speaker 1: They had no idea where they were. Just this government
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  Speaker 1: had any.
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  Speaker 6: Idea, the politicians specifically, any idea what is going on
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  Speaker 6: in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: My big takeaway from this is thank god Ben Carroll
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  Speaker 2: read the paper on You know, I don't imagine the
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  Speaker 2: state of Victorian schools if just for whatever reason Ben Carroll,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, he just didn't bother to pick up
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  Speaker 2: the Herald's son and read what was happening in his
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  Speaker 2: state and what was proposing to be done by his government.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hell of a way to run a state.
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  Speaker 2: But we all know that Victoria's being run like hell.
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  Speaker 2: The other big thing about this is for bureaucrats to
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  Speaker 2: come up with an idea where fifty high risk juvenile
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  Speaker 2: criminals would be put into mainstream schools.
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  Speaker 3: They would have, as you said, ankle bracelets.
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  Speaker 2: Teachers would have to be taught not only how to
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  Speaker 2: monitor the fact that these ankle bracelets are being worn,
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  Speaker 2: but also teachers would be trained to help destigmatize, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is hilarious because we want all the kids
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  Speaker 2: to get used to.
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  Speaker 1: This is normal over all.
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  Speaker 5: These kids, that's that speculative.
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  Speaker 2: We know what they're doing, right, They're focusing on the
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  Speaker 2: feelings of a very small minority of people who are
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  Speaker 2: doing the wrong thing and ignoring the welfare of the
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  Speaker 2: overwhelming majority, which is pretty much the way governments right
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  Speaker 2: around the country are running everything right now. It's all
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  Speaker 2: about the feelings of a very small group of people
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  Speaker 2: to the exclusion of the welfare of the majority.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that it is about the kids feelings.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the research is very very comprehensive that kids,
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  Speaker 4: if they're sent to juvie, for instance, have much higher
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  Speaker 4: rates of recidivism. They are far more likely to be
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  Speaker 4: re arrested, far more likely to fall into a life
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  Speaker 4: of crime. Because of course the people that they're associating
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  Speaker 4: with are all criminals. So the real question here is, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: if these kids can't go to school, where are they
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  Speaker 4: going to go. They still need to be educated, and
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  Speaker 4: it is to their great detriment if they are then
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  Speaker 4: only allowed to socialize with other kids with the same proclivities.
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  Speaker 4: So this is not a new argument, but it's a
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  Speaker 4: very necessary one to have.
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  Speaker 5: And again it sounds very good for a politician to
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  Speaker 5: come out and say, well, you know, we can't have this.
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  Speaker 4: I very much believe that if these kids are walking
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  Speaker 4: around with an ankle bracelet on, they're not being accused
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  Speaker 4: of crimes like I don't know, bodily harmed to somebody else.
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  Speaker 4: We're probably talking about theft, We're probably talking about those
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  Speaker 4: kinds of crimes. They're not talking about all their high
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  Speaker 4: risk in terms of their going to harm a fellow
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  Speaker 4: kid at school. And again, the research shows that if
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  Speaker 4: these kids are properly socialized, they're far more likely to
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: grow out of those kinds of behaviors. Because what is
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: the other option, how do they get their education homeschooling?
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think so A lot of these kids. Heil
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: from troubled homes. So you're not going to send them
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: home to parents or a parent and be like, Okay,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: their education is now your responsibility. That simply doesn't make sense.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: So again I'm torn here because I know that it
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: sounds well and good to be like, well, these kids
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: have an unkle bracelet, and therefore they shouldn't be allowed
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: to socialize with normal children. But the research shows them
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: socializing with normal children, having friends who are from good
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: functioning homes, and forming a great social kids are.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: So it's all about peers.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: It's all about peer pressure, and that works for the
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: good and.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: For the bad.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: So if these kids are to go to school, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: again they're not, they're not on the record for harming
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: people bodily, they've probably stolen something or the like. They're
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to go to school to end up with a good
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: circle of friends.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And that's the argument is it works both ways, right,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So if you're a parent and you're sending your kid
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to the local public school, you don't want your kid
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: hanging around with some kid who is so prone to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: breaking the law that he requires twenty four to seven
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: government surveillance.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: So the whole you know, like attraction.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I say, I'm both ways, I'm torn, and.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: That's that's all fine, But how is it that the
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: department decides this is going to happen and the Education
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Minister has no idea If you're going to have the discussion,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: that's one thing, but clearly it was a discussion that
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: was had with no involvement from the minister whatsoever. What
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: sort of control do you have over your government and
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: your department if the Education Minister is not involved in
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: such an important discussion an issue as that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Well, the government should probably have some discussions about their
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: policy on the Ukraine because they seem to be all
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: over the place at the moment as well. Just yesterday
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the Defense Industry Minister Pat Conroy said that he did
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: not envisage a situation where Australian soldiers would be sent
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to Ukraine as peacekeepers. But today Anthony Albanezi said, well,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Kostama Macron, they're talking about putting together a coalition of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the willing, and yeah, Australia is very open to sending peacekeepers.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister.
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: There's discussion at the moment about potential peacekeeping and from
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: my government's perspective, we're open to consideration of any proposals
• 19:44
  Speaker 10: going forward.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to guess what Chris Min's view on peacekeepers
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: really or Peter Dutton has a completely different view when
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it comes to Australia's obligation Ukraine.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: In terms of.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: Whether we should have boots on the ground in Ukraine,
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: I don't support that. I think the Europeans have that
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: task and I think what President Trump's pointed out is
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: that the Europeans need to do more in the defense
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: of Europe and that's a statement of the obvious.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Listening to Anthony Albanese say yeah, I'm very open to
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: sending diggers to Ukraine as peacekeepers, I'm thinking there must
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: be a large Ukrainian.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Population in Western Sydney.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can kind kind of think
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that must be behind this. Well, we've just spent the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: last week absolutely failing to surveil Chinese warships off our coast.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: But no, no, we're good.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: To send soldiers to the Ukraine to patrol the Russian Army.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I just think Anthony Albanese is all over the shop
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: when it comes to foreign affairs and to defense matters,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and on top of that, can't get a meeting with
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump before we go spooking any response from Australia
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to what's happening in uk Kraine. It might be worth
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: getting a phone call to the leader of the Free World,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: our major ally and security partner, and just trying to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: get on the same page before he starts mouthing off.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: Well, and this is the thing, right, I'm not so
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: operturbed by the idea of peacekeepers. I mean, we've been
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: involved in peacekeeping for a long time. I think we're
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: still in Sudan. We were in Cyprus until twenty twenty one.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: We've been there since the sixties. We don't tend to
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: lose people on peacekeeping missions because you go there after
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: a war has ended.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But the war is still going.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: So why are we talking about will send peacekeepers when
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: we literally have not negotiated and into this war yet.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: The effort at the moment should be to.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Get the war over before you start talking anywhere near
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Sending peacekeepers in Datan is correct though, and this is
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: the point. But of course Trump has been trying to
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: drive that this is a war in the European zone
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: and the only reason that Ukraine has been able to
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: not repel Russia because Russia has taken territory. But being
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: able to sustain the war to this extent, to this
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: point is because the US has funded it and we
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: now have a president who doesn't want the war to continue,
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: and so he's saying, my support, you know, by money,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: which is what allows you to keep going here, is
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: contingent on the plan that we end this thing. That's
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: why we had from Trump today that he's cutting off
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: military aid until such time as they can come to
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: an agreement, because that's the point here. The point is
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: we want the war over. That is what we should
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: be talking about. That's what Albanezi should be talking. It's
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: what everyone should be talking. Peacekeepers is rather beyond the
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: point at the moment.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerruy're.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Sending Australians is absolutely out of the question. We've known
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: from the beginning. This is NATO's war.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, This is between NATO and Russia, period, end of
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: It's in the name North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Are we a member state?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Are we anywhere near the North Atlantic?
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not. Also, how is this one eighty from Dutton?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It was just last year he was berating the Albanezy
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: government for not spending enough, fast enough, Oh send the tank,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: send this they need more, like Australia should have anything
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: to do with this war now, of course, because Trump
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: has stepped up to the plate, put his foot down
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: and said, oh, we're capping at a two hundred billion mate,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: You're not getting any more money out of us, thank
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you very much. Now Dutton's saying, oh no, no, we
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: wouldn't put all the boots on the ground. But before
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: that he seemed to be all for it. So once
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: again we have this beautiful case of world leaders watching
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Trump ripping a note out of that notebook and saying, okay,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: now I can wave this around.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Now I can make it my own.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Now I can include this as a spook in my
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: campaign strategy.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: So it's not really that bolshee.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: But again I'm glad he's saying it not our circus,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: not our monkeys. Australia never has been, never should have been.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I want my one point five billion dollars back that
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: we have spent in Ukraine.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I think we've actually spent more than that at this point.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Because Trump knows, and Australia should be well aware, we
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: have other theaters of war to worry about. China, Taiwan, Israel,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Iran potentially it is. It is absolutely mind blowing the
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: amount of media this war has taken up. You'd think
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: it was the only conflict happening on the face of
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the planet, but it has been blown up to be
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: this ginormous thing all of a sudden. It's everybody's business. No,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I'm an Australian. I don't want my money going over there,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: and Trump.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Has rightly said Europe, it's up to you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: But we all know once America pulls the plug and
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: it has it's over. It doesn't matter what Starma and
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Macron are saying, and it certainly doesn't matter what Albanese's promising.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: It is over. Red Rover end of.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Just a couple of things in terms of, you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: this war being blown up. One point five million people
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have died, reportedly.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Unnecessarily, as Trump has pointed.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Out, necessarily or unnecessarily. You're hardly blowing up a war
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: when you know and exaggerating it when that many people
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: have died.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: And no, I'm simply saying there there are so many
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: conflicts going on in the world today that people have
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: no idea about because the media decides which one is important.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: To Dutton's defense.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I do think there's a distinction between saying we should
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: send military equipment and we should send Australian soldiers. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: do think there's a distinction between those two. I'm not
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: sure that's a.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Contradiction, no, And I don't think he's ever been supported.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: It certainly sounds I don't think anyone here.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: We couldn't do enough fast enough, you know, and.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Some helicopters and say hey, have them use them, which
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: would just send our sons over there, which would.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Which would fair, And they were just anyway, right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: But the point is that it was legitimate to argue
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: that age should be given to Ukraine at previous points
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: of this war.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But it's three years.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: In now, right, and so unless someone puts a circuit
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: breaker in place, it will just continue ad for Nitum.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: Now that's not good for Ukraine. It's not good for
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Russia either. It needs to be noted they've lost a
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: lot in the process of this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: War as well. But in order to end.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: This war, and it needs to happen otherwise it will
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: go on forever, someone has to seed some ground. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: I think Nigel Frads was quite correct when he was
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: talking to Paul Murray earlier in saying that the real
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: problems Lensky had when he walked into that meeting with
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Trump the other day was that he's not yet willing
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: to concede that crimera is going to go to the Russians.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: That's probably just a fact of how it's going to
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: play out, because if you want to win the war,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: you're going to have to concede some ground and hand
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: something over.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: He's not yet willing to make that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Moral decisions that they can do that, but that's the
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: only way it's going to end.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's the only way it's going to end.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: And people are still hailing him as a hero for that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: It is not heroic to feed tens of thousands more
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Ukrainians into the gun mouths of the Russians in the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: name of patriotism.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: That is nonsense.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Again, when America pulls the plug, you know that you
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: are fighting a losing war. And so many in the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: West have been told at nauseum for three years now,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: this is for democracy.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I've told you before. There's a lot more to this
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: war than that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But guess what.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Even that whole farce of oh, well, this is democracy
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: against Russia.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Has been a farce.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: As new head of Intelligence under the Trump administration, Tulsey
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Gubbard pointed out earlier today.
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: When we actually look at what's happening in real reality
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: in these countries as well as with Zelensky's government in Ukraine,
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: is the exact opposite. You have the canceling of elections
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: in Ukraine. You have political parties being silenced or even
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: criminalized or thrown in prison. You have the freedom of religion,
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: churches being shut down, you have political opposition being silenced.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: You have total.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Government control of the media.
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: We could go down a whole laundry list of issues
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: that are against the values of democracy and freedom.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Goodness said it better myself, all that stuff that you've
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: been told about.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Oh well, this is for democracy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: The Ukrainians would like some democracy too, Thank you very
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: much to Poland. Now we're a Polish fellow by the
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: name of Kamenda has taken Ikea to court for an
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: unfair dismissal. He says that LGBTIQ Agenda was shoved down
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: his throat while he was working at Ikea, and as
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a Christian, he couldn't stand for it, so he stood
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: up for his religious freedoms. He was unceremoniously dismissed from Ikea,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: took it to the court and can you believe it's
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: taken a few years, But he's one we read in
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the paper commander used two quotes from the Bible regarding
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: homosexual practices to express his criticism, after which he was
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: fired from his job. First a district court and then
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: a regional court ruled that his dismissal had been unjustified,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: and most recently, the Supreme Court also refused to hear
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: an appeal filed by Ikea. Now this was after he
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: had been fired for speaking out against this indoctrination.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: He's like, I'm an Ikea employee.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Why do you have to keep telling me that I
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: have to uphold these values and preach and teach them.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Like you do.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: But I ask you, do you think this would happen
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: in Australia.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I've got a friend who works for.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Ikea and on the very first day they were handed
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: out all these lanyards, rainbow lanyards. My friend is a Christian.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: We don't wear rainbow lanyards. We don't celebrate particular lifestyles
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: that is condemned by our faith. And in very black
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: and white terms in our scriptures. So luckily they didn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: have to decline to wear this because the person ran
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: out of lanyards before they got to my friend. But
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you can bet your bottom dollar that person would have
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: been flagged as extremely problematic and may have also ended
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: up being dismissed even if they just had to put
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: their hand in the air and say, I'm sorry, I'm
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: not wearing this lanyard. Just give me a blue and
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: yellow one like normal ikea stuff.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Why are we being made to wear this stuff? Just
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: like the manly players.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Who were like, no, no, this is not in line with.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: My personal beliefs.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Can I get some respect for those It's taken this
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: guy years and goodness knows how much money in those
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: legal costs, since this was the third and final court.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Of appeal that I could could go.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: To, and despite losing in all three, they genuinely believed
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: that they were on the right side ramming this kind
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: of indoctrination down their employees.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Next, what was interesting about the court decision is the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: court found that IKA were going against their own retoric
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of inclusivity by sacking somebody for their religious beliefs and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: their worldview. So the court pointed out the hypocrisy and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the inherent contradiction. The other thing that Court pointed out
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: is that participation in an employer's social initiatives should be
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: voluntary just because you are a specialist in flat packs.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Wish that I was, Kayleb. I absolutely destroy them, but.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: I can tell you it's much easier if you do
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: it in the middle of the night with a bottle
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: of red, as I did recently.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that you have to support.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe your employer wants to promote.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, well I think it's flat pack ideology. Basically,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: they've just taken it off the shelf and.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Here it is, this is what we should all do.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Unless it relates to your job in any way, I
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: don't see how it's relevant, right, Like I could understand
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: why a church, for instance, would have certain ideals about
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: the values of the people that it employs, and likewise
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: a religious school or perhaps a business that deals exclusively
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: with LGBTQ people. I don't know what's something that might be,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: like a sexual health testing place whatever. Right, there are
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: circumstances where you.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Would say organized exactly.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: There are circumstances where you would say it is entirely
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: fair that an employer would expect you to uphold a
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: certain set of values like that, But to sell flat
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: pack furniture in a shop I don't think is one
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: of those circumstances, and so it shouldn't come into it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: And this was appealed all the way up to the
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: High Court. That's how hard IQ was trying to prove
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: the point I suppose here, and at one of the
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: courts along the way, the court said that it should
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: not even in the name of tolerance in the broader
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: since lead employees to feel coerced into changing their beliefs.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: I e.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Should be able to go to your job as a
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: salesman and not have to worry about political ideology.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: In the process. It seems pretty straightforward if I.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Care to do this In Poland, where I think it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: seventy one percent of the population are Catholic and very
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: staunch Catholics. There's another case currently in the court in
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Warsaw where an IT specialist has been sacked because he
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: refused to participate in an equality parade. So there's a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: few of these instances in the courts in Poland.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I just love to see a play out in Australia.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Because I do not think a Christian here would be
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: half as successful.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Also, my friend told me about this massive drag queen
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: that was put up in the bathrooms of all places.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Why can't you even p in pace no and doctrination
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: and the bathrooms.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Someone drew over the top of it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: They have Muslim employees, they have Christian employees, they have
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: all matter of employees.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Like Ikea is a very big place, and.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Yet Okia just reply the signage like no, no, didn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: even just remove it and be like Okay, clearly someone
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: objects to this, someone who has different beliefs.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: It just seems to be very dogged.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: It's in their emails, it's in all their employee training.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Et cetera, and so on.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: And long before this case came up, my friend had
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: been telling me just about how stringent and how militantly
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Ikea was making sure that all employees were bowing down
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: before this idol of DII, specifically the LGBTIQ agenda.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: And I mean, if you can avoid it anyway, don't
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: buy Flackpeck furniture. Try and get something in auction or
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Facebook marketplace, secondhand, good quality.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It'll last to a hill of a lot longer.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: I can tell you speaking of things lasting longer than
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: they should.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about paid parking.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: I know it sounds like a bit of a strange segue,
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: but it makes sense because in Adelaide at the moment,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: it is the Fringe Festival. And anyone who's been to
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: the Fringe or lives in Adelaide knows just how big
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: the Fringe Festival is. It is a month long party
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: in the Adelaide CBD arts, music.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Comedy, the whole lot.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: It is a fabulous time and so Adelaide City Council
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: of course watch all these people stream into the city
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: and go to their restaurants and cafes and businesses. It's
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: great for the city. So what do you think the
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: council would do about it?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I know what they'll do.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: They'll turn free parking spaces into paid parking spaces.
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: Take a look Adelaide City Council finding a brand new
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: but contentious solution to the increased demand. They say to
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: give more people a fair go at getting a spot,
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: getting a taste and getting out, extending the time they
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: charge to park near the East End.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: It's not a cash grab.
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: It is there purely to have more people to enjoy
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: the precinct than perhaps we were able to achieve last year.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Ah, let's more people enjoy the precinct.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you they're going to come into the
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: city anyway, whether it's in a car or on a bus,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: if they've got a ticket to go and see a
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: show the fringe. I don't think they're going to avoid
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: it because there was free parking or otherwise. But clearly
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: what happens here is people who know it to be
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: a free parking zone after six pm, as it always
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: has been, go and park there and then they come
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: back to their car after the show and no one
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: behold there is a fine on it because they haven't
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: paid the fee. I mean, could you be any more
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: opportunistic than this. It is such an economic boon for
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Adelaide when the Fringe is on and the Council's like,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: how can we make a buck out of it?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I know that's all logic.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Makes no sense.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: By making it more expensive to attend, we're hoping more
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: people will attend.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: It just makes no sense.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Can you saying though they're hoping for higher turn over?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: That way someone can be like, well I've had my
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: three hours, I've got to go, so somebody will be like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: oh right, now I can have this buck, That's what
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: he was saying.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: But you know what that means. Yes, that means you've
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: got to leave the city.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: So if you'd had someone who parked there for six
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: hours and then someone who came on the bus and
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: stayed for six hours, they're going to spend twice as
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: much money as two people who've used that car park
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: for three hours each.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: So if these were privately owned and you were the owner,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't do this. What do you mean if I
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: had opportunistic revenue raising plate, you.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you give it out for free in the first place.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: The point is they're denying that it's revenue raising.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: That's the point.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: If they just paid, this is a great boon for
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the city. We're going to make some extra money and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: use it to fill potholes.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: The government, they're not going to actually admit this is
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: just revenue raising. None of their revenue raising is revenue raising.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: It's for our own benefit, as is this.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And so then they just lie to our faces. And
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that's the problem. We know that what it's all about.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: we look at what's making news tomorrow, including former detainees
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: out in the public and being paid five hundred dollars
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: a week by taxpayers to be so all that more
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: in just a moment, Welcome back.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: You remember back in twenty twenty three about one hundred
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and fifty non citizen dangerous detainees were released back into
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the community because of a High court decision. Well, it
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: continues to trouble the labor government have look at this
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: headline from the Adelaide Advertiser as an exclusive one hundred
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: million dollars blown on upkeep for foreign murderers, rapists, killers
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: get five hundred dollars a week, reads the headline. The
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: article begins hundreds of former immigration detainees convicted of offenses
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: such as murder and rape are receiving up to five
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars a week in payments, with the total bill
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: for their time in the community costing one hundred million.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Dollars and counting.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: This is one of those stories that just continues to
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: roll on. You be aware that Tony Burke announced that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: one of these criminals was being sent to Nauru, which
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: was obviously a in the bucket, and of course now
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: that is being challenged in the courts. So whichever way
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you look at it's a disaster for the government. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: now we find out we're still paying for it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is an absolute joke that someone can
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: come to this country and do these things to our people,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: and then we find out that it's somehow illegal to
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: get rid of them, so we have to have them
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: walking around in the community, and then we have to
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: pay for the privilege of doing so. Is bloody outrageous. Now,
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: did the government not pass laws that would allow them
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: to redetain people that they thought were a danger to
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: the community. How many of these people have been redetained.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: I'm not aware of a single one that has been.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: So what was the point you wanted them locked up?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: You left them?
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: The government left them locked up some of the many
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: of them had been locked up since the previous government,
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: but the Labor government did nothing about releasing them at
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: any point. They had been locked up for all this
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: time because they're not citizens, they shouldn't be in this country.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: But we say we can't send them back once they
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: came because it would.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Be too dangerous for the way. I don't care.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: Just feed them to the lines, as far as I'm concerned.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But if you've already.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Been okay with them being locked up, why have we
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: not just locked them all back up again. Wasn't that
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: the point of this whole thing that the laws didn't
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: allow us to do it previously, so we changed the
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: law so we could, and then we pay them to
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: walk around the committity.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: The point of the law change was a headline, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: then they were hoping that the whole thing would just
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: go away. But it's not going away. Every couple of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: weeks we get another revelation of it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: The point is always the headlines. That's the one oh
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: one of politics. The point is the headline.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: There's a saying in politics which everyone in the know knows,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: which is the less you intend to do about something,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the more of a song and dance you've got to
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: make about it, the more you've got to talk about it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: the more headlines you need about it in order.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: To make it look like you are doing something. And
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: of course this just costs us, even the.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Locking up you're talking about, Caleb, the years of it
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: that was all on our time. I don't understand why
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: we don't simply amend the laws to say if you
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: come here and you break the rules.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: You get to go back and we owe you nothing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: There's no like, oh, we're concerned what might happen if
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: we send them back. They should have thought about that
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: before they committed a heenus crime in the country that
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: was so kind to take them in to the Australia
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: now the best paper in the nation. Truth of green
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: hydrogen fantasy. I think you and I both know the
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: truth already, but let's have some more of it. Australia's
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: green hydrogen industry has failed to fire, with ninety nine
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: percent of a one hundred billion dollar supply pipeline failing
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: to progress beyond the concept stage, punching a hole in
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanesi's aim to develop a major export industry by
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: twenty thirty and meet net zero goals. So tell us, elbow,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: are we still got to be a renewables powerhouse? Is
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the world still going to look to us for all
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: their unewable energy?
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: There was a story on one of the papers yesterday,
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: it might't have been the Newcastle Herald, about an offshore
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: wind project that the government has sort of put out
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: to tender, and there was a mob that had agreed
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: to it. They'd signed up, they're going to do it,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: and now they're not so sure they want to do
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: it anymore. I mean, it seems every day we get
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: another story about how none of this is working green hydrogen.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: None of it's happened.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Everyone's pulled their hydrogen projects down. In South Australia. Of course,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: we were told that hydrogen green hydrogen was going to
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: power the steel works in Wayala, except the steel works
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: were so expensive to run that Sanjeev Gupta has been
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: put into administration.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: The whole thing's gone.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Bus So the state government now has to spend money
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: bailing that out, which means they won't be spending that
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: money on green hydrogen. It goes on and on, and
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: somehow we're still sitting here going ah yeah, n zero
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: lardi dadi dara.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It's all going to happen. It ain't going to happen.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Why do we bother with this anymore.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: The other article that's just been posted on the Tizer
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: website Hydrogen South Australia chief under scrutiny by Premier and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: cabinet as office staff slashed.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: He's on six hundred thousand dollars a year.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And what the article goes on to say is they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: trying to work out he's a really good guy. He's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: really good at what he does. Oh right, yeah, where
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: could we use him? Because clearly the hydrogen dream ain't happening.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like Elbanezey talks about, you know, we're going
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: to become a renewable energy superpower. How many times you
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: heard that phrase. None of us know what it means.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: There was a plan to connect the cable, wasn't there
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: from the Northern Territory.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: It was going to run underwater Moon.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: We're going to export sunbeams or something Singapore or something.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: That we have so much sun in Australia.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Go back to headlines, right, they just say these things
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: go it's amazing, and they hope we forget.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: And don't scratch beneath the surface. That is what the
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: bank on. Don't scratch beneath the surface. You'll never figure out.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: That it's all a pile of blooney.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: To the second headline in the Odds Coalition vowels to
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: fix heritage laws car crash. The Coalition has promised to
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: overhaul federal heritage laws should it return to powers. New
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: analysis shows the indigenous group that sank the Blamy Goldmine
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: has become one of the most successful and litigious applicants
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: under the current system.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Dare we dream that some of.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: This nonsense, at least the nonsense overseen by the federal
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: government in this respect, could come to an end under
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: a coalition government. Surely that alone has got to bag
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: in a few more votes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: That they're not making massive changes. I think what they're
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: proposing is that the Aboriginal Land Councils, who are the
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: legislated recognized bodies, would be the go to rather than
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: these odd sort of indigenous groups that pop up out
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and suddenly make claims. So the way I read, unfortunately,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: it's not like the coalition are going to make major changes.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: They're just saying we've got established indigenous bodies that are
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: able to recognize what's sacred and what's not. They will
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: be the voice and we won't listen to these other
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: groups that are making all these outrageous claims. What they
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: sprinkled this guy's ashes back in Yeah, that's a sacred
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Over two years ago, Johnson's car were spread all over
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the top of the mountain. In nineteen eighty three. I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: know it's pretty sacred to that Green's tough. Ford Felcat
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: is on exactly.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: His name is escaping me now.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: But Chris Kenny was talking earlier this evening to the
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: former chairman of the.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: And he made the point that they hate groups like
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: this because when there is a legitimate cause to be
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: talked about, everyone then goes here.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: But what about those wallies that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: Were going on about how Mount Panorama should be a
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: sacred site and it actually discredits people who want to
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: do genuine work around Aboriginal affairs. And I think he's
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: quite right importing that out before we go to a
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: break on the front of the Mercury tomorrow down in Tazzy,
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: it's all bad news, I'm sorry to report.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: We'll probably just leave it there are. They're actually not
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: going to get any news at all if you look
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: at the screen by the looks of it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: But I'll just I'll just show it to you right there,
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: you go. That's what it's got on the front of
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: the MRK tomorrow. It's all bad news, as I say.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: One headline says government seeks four hundred and sixty eight
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: million dollars to pay the bills. They've had to go
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: off the Liberal government to the Parliament for us for
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: permission to spend some more money because they've had big
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: budget blowouts of.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: The tune of half a billion. And the next one
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: says clear the debts.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: The state government is considering selling off some of his businesses,
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: including the state's Motor Accidents Insurance Board and public transport
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: operated Metro to pay down.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: That soaring debt.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: It just seems to go from bad to worse for Tasmania,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: certainly does.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Grand Prix drivers arriving in Melbourne shortly for the GP
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: have been told to watch their language.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: We'll explain why in a moment. Welcome back.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Well, the Melbourne Formula one Grand Prix is just a
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks away. But Caleb, the drivers have been
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: given some interesting instructions.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Indeed they have.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: I'm so excited that it's back, but I mean, for
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: heaven's sake, the world has gone so soft. Now you
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: can imagine you're driving around in a Formula one car.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: You're going two three four hundred kilometers an hour. You know,
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: the serious speeds these people are driving at. And occasionally
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: things go wrong. There are crashes, tires blow up, all
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: sorts of things happen on the on the track right,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: and sometimes you get a bit frustrated and well there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: an F bomb here or an S word or whatever.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is high precious spot.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: But the drivers have been told, I don't know, as
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: well as driving these machines of death around the track,
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: you must watch your language now, and if you don't,
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: we will make you pay.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: For it quite seriously too.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: The first time they swear on their team radios, they'll
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: be slagging sixty six thousand, eight hundred and ninety six dollars,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: the second time one hundred and thirty three thousand, seven
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety one dollars, and the third time two
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: hundred thousand, six hundred and eighty seven dollars in a
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: two year period.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: So you know, this normal reaction is now banned. Wonderful
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: covert there, what idiot?
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: Yes, imagine having a real human reaction while you're driving
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: a very fast car on the track. I mean, bab
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: and sack Oscar Piastre, who is the light of the
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: Australians at the moment has hit out at it and
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: said it's absolutely ridiculous, and it is because you're in a.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: High pressure situation.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: If there's any time you want to say the F
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: word every now and again, that's it, it isn't it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: You want to watch Lewis Hamilton, not Mother Teresa driving
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: a car.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Drivers about it has bleeped out anyway, So if anyone's
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: watching Broadcom offended by an F bomb in a high
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: pressures situation, also, the last thing these guys need to
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: be doing is minding their p's and q's.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: That milli second of hesitation their lives. In some of
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: those situations, it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Just goes to show that whatever sport you're talking about
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: really is entertainment, isn't it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: And so they have to manage it and.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Massage it to be packaged to be provided for consumers.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And so whether it's football or racing car drivers, at
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, they are entertainers.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: That's part of the entertainment.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: You want to know what they're really feeling when something
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: goes wrong. I mean, you know, can you imagine the
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Pstree crashres you go, oh, good, heavens, I have had
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: a mischief. You're on the track.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not what we're waiting.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: James Hunt used to speak, that's the end for us.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Tonight stick Around coming up against the Ride Penny Show.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Good Night,