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Speaker 1: Hig and everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Up, Up, Up, where the
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Speaker 1: Cloud's going a clear audition as the Bengals look to
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Speaker 1: bounce back from two straight road losses and knock off
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Speaker 1: the high scoring Detroit Lions at pay Core Stadium. Coming
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Speaker 1: Up Team captain Orlando Brown Junior shares his message to
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Speaker 1: teammates after two tough losses. Brian Baldinger from the NFL
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Speaker 1: Network describes what the Bengals will need to do on
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Speaker 1: Sunday to knock off Detroit, and in this week's Know
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Speaker 1: let's get to my first guest, team cap and four
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Speaker 1: time pro bowler Orlando Brown Junior. Orlando, let's start with
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Speaker 1: your role as a captain and a veteran leader on
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Speaker 1: this team. What's the message to your teammates after two
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Speaker 1: tough weeks?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's always hard in this league, man,
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Speaker 2: losing games no matter when they happen, how they happen,
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Speaker 2: back to back. But the message is simple, man, we
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Speaker 2: got to keep fighting. We got a lot to play for.
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Speaker 2: I've been in a much worser spots than this, believe
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Speaker 2: it or not, man, But being in this position, being
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Speaker 2: able to have a chance to go out here and
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Speaker 2: win in front of these fans is what's important.
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Speaker 3: So that's what we'll be starving for.
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Speaker 1: We scored thirty one points in the Jacksonville win, but
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, it's been hard getting
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Speaker 1: the ball into the end zone. Where does fixing the
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Speaker 1: offense start?
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Speaker 3: I think it always starts in the trenches.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's on us to create those opportunities for
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Speaker 2: our offense, man, no matter what it is. And that's
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Speaker 2: just my opinion, you know, I think it really comes
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Speaker 2: down to us handling businessman, and being able to create
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Speaker 2: bigger holes in the run game, hold on to our
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Speaker 2: blocks longer in the pass game, whatever it takes.
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Speaker 1: You've got the highest grade among the offensive lineman according
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Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus on the team, your one spot
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Speaker 1: behind Tristan Wurfs for what that's worth as a left tackle.
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Speaker 1: But how do you feel about your play? I know
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Speaker 1: you have very high standards for yourself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, man, I mean, you know, the Minnesota game
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Speaker 2: was one of my rougher games I think I've had
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Speaker 2: as a bangle. But other than that, other than that,
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Speaker 2: you know, I feel like I've done a pretty good job,
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Speaker 2: you know, making sure that you know, guys like you know,
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Speaker 2: the Josh Allen Hines when we played him, he doesn't
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Speaker 2: have a big impact on the game, Nick Benito when
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Speaker 2: he's on my side, making sure he doesn't have a
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Speaker 2: big impact on the game.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: But there are so many other areas that I'm continuing
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Speaker 2: to improve, like my run game, finishing more, being more violent,
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Speaker 2: and helping us create those explosive plays. But you know, overall, man,
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Speaker 2: the wait that I see it hasn't been enough for
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Speaker 2: us to win. And you know, that's what it comes
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Speaker 2: down to me, you know, just me playing playing as
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Speaker 2: good as I need to for us to win as
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Speaker 2: many games and score as many points as possible.
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Speaker 1: We're chatting with Orlando brown Junior. If you take away
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Speaker 1: a couple of Jake Browning scrambles last week, iveraged four
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Speaker 1: yards of carry on twelve runs. It's improvement. Did you
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Speaker 1: see positive steps?
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Speaker 3: I did?
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Speaker 2: I did, Man, I've seen guys finishing, I've seen guys
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Speaker 2: getting to the second level and you know, staying connected
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Speaker 2: to their blocks. I saw Chase being able to not
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Speaker 2: get touched about three or four yards into his run.
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Speaker 2: So we got to continue to create more of those
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Speaker 2: opportunities when they call our number up front.
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Speaker 1: Two rookies started on the offensive line last week. That'll
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Speaker 1: be the case again this week against Detroit. Last week
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Speaker 1: was a primetime game in Denver against the top ranked
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Speaker 1: pass rush in the NFL. How challenging is that for
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Speaker 1: a couple of rookies.
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Speaker 2: Extremely challenging, man, But I think they answered the bill man.
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Speaker 2: You know, we've got two great guys, two great young men,
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Speaker 2: and Jalen Rivers and Dylan Fairchild. They've come in from
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Speaker 2: day one and done all the right things and earn
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Speaker 2: this opportunity to be the guys at those positions in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, so man, we hold them to a high standard,
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Speaker 2: they hold themselves to a higher standard, and in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: they're doing great jobs.
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Speaker 1: You didn't just say good players, you said two great
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Speaker 1: young men. Does that stand out to you about Dylan
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Speaker 1: and Jalen?
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Speaker 3: It does? It does?
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Speaker 2: Manager Sarah upbringing. So I think show in their everyday
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Speaker 2: consistency of character, their attention to detail, their work ethic,
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Speaker 2: all the all of the right things.
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Speaker 1: You have a new offensive line coach this year in
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Speaker 1: Scott Peters. His system is different from his predecessor, Frank Pollack.
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Speaker 1: Are there some growing pains when the change is that significant?
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Speaker 3: Definitely, man.
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Speaker 2: I think there's new techniques that have to be learned,
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Speaker 2: you know, even some new run concepts we've been running
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Speaker 2: this year that we're still I think getting a little
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Speaker 2: bit of a better feel for.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, there definitely are.
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Speaker 1: You've been a mentor to the other tackle a Marius
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Speaker 1: Mims from day one. He's still only twenty two years old.
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Speaker 1: What are you saying in a Marius at this stage
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Speaker 1: of his second season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, man, I think he's doing a really good job.
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Speaker 2: Man's he's only gotten better from last year in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: and he's going to continue to get better. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's got a great mindset, man, coming to work every
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Speaker 2: day being the same person, working, working his tail off
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Speaker 2: to get better, you know, working to get his full
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Speaker 2: work right, his timing right off the snap, all the
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Speaker 2: right things.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: So I'm excited. I believe it's a season goes on,
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Speaker 2: He's only going to get better.
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Speaker 1: Orlando, you face the highest scoring team in the league
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Speaker 1: this week in Detroit. It's hard for me to picture
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Speaker 1: thirteen to ten win. It probably has to be something
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Speaker 1: more like Week two when you beat Jacksonville thirty one
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Speaker 1: to twenty seven. Because of that, do you feel imperative
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Speaker 1: to score on almost every possession when you're out there?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't ever want to put, you know,
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Speaker 2: crazy pressure on us, but I do believe that's our
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Speaker 2: mentality offensively, no matter who we're playing, is we got it.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna go score evers're off you know, because we
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Speaker 2: want to and because we can. So it doesn't really
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Speaker 2: matter who we're playing. I believe we approach it all
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Speaker 2: the same.
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Speaker 1: You've won your only home game so far this year
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Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. Is it going to help the offense overall
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Speaker 1: and the offensive line in particular to not have to
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Speaker 1: deal with crazy crowd noise by opposing fans? Obviously you'll
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Speaker 1: have it on your side this week, but in this game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, man, it helps up front.
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Speaker 2: I mean just being able to be on a verbal cadence,
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Speaker 2: you know, it helps with getting your os, your defender,
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Speaker 2: all those different things.
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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the interview, you said I've been
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Speaker 1: through worse.
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Speaker 3: What was worse, man?
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Speaker 2: I mean I've been in some tough spots, man, where
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Speaker 2: you know, we get off to a good, good run
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Speaker 2: to start the season and you know we're I think
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Speaker 2: by week five, I mean we're pretty much one in four.
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Speaker 2: So I've been in those positions before. Man, I've been
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Speaker 2: alling for I believe before, you know. So, like I said,
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Speaker 2: it's it's all about perspective. It's all about just continuing
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Speaker 2: to strive, knowing, understanding the expectation and standard that we
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Speaker 2: set in our building and being able to strive for
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Speaker 2: that and continue to grow.
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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time, best of luck this week.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Subpower performances in Minnesota and Denver turned the Bengals into
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Speaker 1: a significant home underdog this week, and Zach Taylor says
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Speaker 1: that's fine with him.
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Speaker 5: I love personally playing playing these types of games. These
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Speaker 5: are my favorite games to play. This is why we
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Speaker 5: do it again. Our backs against the wall a little
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Speaker 5: bit going in this game off of two losses.
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Speaker 3: That's perfect.
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Speaker 5: You know, I'd like to see Howard By responds. Who
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Speaker 5: lives in fear, who thrives in the university. It's it's
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Speaker 5: a great opportunity for a coach to really assess what
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Speaker 5: you guys are made of, myself included, and so again
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Speaker 5: it's a tremendous opportunity that we are not running from
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Speaker 5: where we are running directly into.
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Speaker 1: It's certainly good to be back at home, where the
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Speaker 1: Bengals have won seven of their last eight, including this
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Speaker 1: year's only home game so far, the Week two victory
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Speaker 1: over Jacksonville. Sunday's game will be televised on Fox, and
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Speaker 1: there will also be on national radio broadcast. One of
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Speaker 1: our favorites, we'll call the game on national radio this week.
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Speaker 1: I'm speaking of the NFL networks. Brian Baaldinger, Baldy, what's
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Speaker 1: job won for the Bengals this week as they try
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Speaker 1: to get back on track.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotta start with protection. I mean, Jay Detroit
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Speaker 6: is a good offense, really good offense. They're back on track,
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Speaker 6: and so you're going to have to get on track
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Speaker 6: offensively too, which you couldn't do Monday night in Denver.
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Speaker 7: A lot of circumstances there about the protection of Jay.
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Speaker 6: So it can at least get to his third step,
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Speaker 6: get to his fifth step, be able to set and
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Speaker 6: be able to get the ball to you know, to
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Speaker 6: to those wideouts, to Jamar and to Tea and you
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Speaker 6: know Yosi whoever. But I mean, I think protection is
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Speaker 6: going to be paramount. I mean there is Aiden Hutchinson
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Speaker 6: over there. You got to have a game plan for him.
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Speaker 6: He can wreck your offense. He has done that two
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Speaker 6: weeks in a row now to other teams. And so
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Speaker 6: you know, you got to know where ninety seven is
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Speaker 6: out at old times.
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Speaker 1: You played in the NFL for more than a decade.
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Speaker 1: It's an emotional roller coaster. If you're a captain or
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Speaker 1: a Bengals team leader this week, what's your message after
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Speaker 1: the last couple of games.
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Speaker 7: Well, you got to put you got to put money
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Speaker 7: night behind you. It's a short week. You got to travel.
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Speaker 6: I mean all that stuff you know doesn't sit with
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Speaker 6: people that like, you know, a nice schedule, you know,
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Speaker 6: a weekly schedule that that's gone.
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Speaker 7: So you got to flush that. I mean, if you Trey,
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Speaker 7: you Jamar, you know you're zeus.
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Speaker 6: I mean you got to get focused because this is
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Speaker 6: a good football team come to town and they got things.
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Speaker 6: They got the ship right, and they've got great playmakers.
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Speaker 6: You've got to lock in you got to play the
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Speaker 6: home crowd. You're in the jungle. You know, you've got
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Speaker 6: to win your home games, and so you've got to
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Speaker 6: flush that thing and get it out of your system
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Speaker 6: and recharge here for this week, because honestly, Dan, it's
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Speaker 6: a week to weekly you know, I mean, nobody thought
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Speaker 6: Cleveland could beat Green Bay and you know nobody saw that,
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Speaker 6: you know, the Giants beating the charge. I mean, this
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Speaker 6: is week to week, and so why can't it be
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Speaker 6: week to week and put that disaster of.
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Speaker 7: Money night behind you?
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Speaker 6: And really, because you know, honestly, Detroit, you could beat Detroit.
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Speaker 6: And if you do, now you're three and two and
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Speaker 6: you're saying, hey, you know what, we just beat a
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Speaker 6: good team, and so then you start to get that
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Speaker 6: confident feeling back.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the offensive line in a little more detail.
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Speaker 1: Since the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one, they've devoted
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Speaker 1: a lot of resources to try to improve it. They've
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Speaker 1: signed free agents like Orlando Brown Junior and Ted Carris.
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Speaker 1: They used their first round pick last year on a
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Speaker 1: Marius Mims. They have not been able to turn it
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Speaker 1: into a strength. That was your position? What do you
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Speaker 1: think how should they approach it going forward.
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Speaker 6: Look, Joe's had injuries before, and I don't know if
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Speaker 6: you could put that on the offensive line, you know,
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Speaker 6: he's that that's a horrible injury what he suffered. And
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Speaker 6: when you got to have surgery, Uh, that's unfortunate. But
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Speaker 6: I mean, I I think you just keep you keep
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Speaker 6: trying to develop players, Dan, You keep trying to find
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Speaker 6: guys that are rejecting from other teams.
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Speaker 7: You gotta you gotta, you gotta draft in, you gotta develop.
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Speaker 6: You got to hit free agency, all right, Ted, you know,
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Speaker 6: zeus whatever, and then you've got to develop. You know,
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Speaker 6: your draft picks, and they drafted a lot of guys, Dan,
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Speaker 6: there aren't on that team anymore, you know, over the
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Speaker 6: last three or four years, and so draft to develop
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Speaker 6: and then you know, give those guys a chance to grow,
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Speaker 6: you know, and we haven't really seen much of that
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Speaker 6: so far.
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Speaker 1: When Jake filled in for Joe two years ago, he
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Speaker 1: played extremely well. He obviously led the Bengals to a
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Speaker 1: great comeback in Week two and they beat the Jags
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Speaker 1: at pay Corpse Stadium. Last couple of weeks have not
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Speaker 1: gone well. But what do you think of Jake Browning
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Speaker 1: as a backup QB.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean he's got the advantage that he's been
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Speaker 6: there for I don't know, four years, whatever it is now, Dan,
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Speaker 6: you know, so he knows the system, he knows what
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Speaker 6: Zach wants, he knows what the plays are, he knows
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Speaker 6: where to go with the ball. You know, he's just
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Speaker 6: you know, the turnovers are never going to be a
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Speaker 6: good thing for any quarterback. But you can't play with fear.
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Speaker 6: You can't play out of fear. You still have to
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Speaker 6: be aggressive. You've got receivers that you got to trust
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Speaker 6: that can go get it, and they've got two of
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Speaker 6: the best.
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Speaker 7: They're being paid to be the best. So I think
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Speaker 7: there's other ways.
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Speaker 6: I mean, if you just watch Denvers offense the other day,
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Speaker 6: like they score two touchdowns as easy as you can.
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Speaker 7: Score, Dan, I mean a fly sweep and you pick
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Speaker 7: up a block on.
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Speaker 6: The outside, you hit him against a blitzero and you
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Speaker 6: got the right play on you know. Some of it
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Speaker 6: is just a play call too, and the timing of
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Speaker 6: the play call against certain looks.
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Speaker 1: You have called Jamar Chase the best wide receiver in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. What separates Jamar from the pack.
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Speaker 6: I think if you put Jamar at tailback. He'd be
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Speaker 6: a great tailback, you know, I really do. I mean,
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Speaker 6: be an elite tailback. Like he's so strong. He catches
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Speaker 6: everything with his hands. Fundamentally, he comes back to the football.
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Speaker 6: He doesn't give the defenders a chance.
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Speaker 7: He is great with contested catches.
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Speaker 6: He's going to see you know, uh, he just saw
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Speaker 6: Sertane a little bit last week. I don't know what
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Speaker 6: Detroit's plan is. They've struggled at the corner position. But
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Speaker 6: you know, against the great corners he can win. He
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Speaker 6: can win in the deep ball, he can win on
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Speaker 6: the old you know, West Coast style of offense DN
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Speaker 6: where he short passes long runs. We've seen him do everything. Uh,
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Speaker 6: and so you know, his game against you know, Jacksonville
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Speaker 6: was you know, you know, it's it's what, it's what.
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Speaker 7: Only a couple of guys in this league. We saw
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Speaker 7: Puka Duhl last week.
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Speaker 6: There's only a couple guys in Lincoln do what he
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Speaker 6: did against Jacksonville in winning that game.
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Speaker 1: The Bengals defense bald features nine top one hundred draft
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Speaker 1: picks that were taken in the last four years. These
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Speaker 1: young guys are getting a lot of playing time now
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Speaker 1: have any of these young defenders caught your eye, Well.
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Speaker 6: I mean Osim made a couple of plays the other day.
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Speaker 6: I mean we keep waiting for him. I mean he
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Speaker 6: was a high pick out of Texas. Keep waiting on
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Speaker 6: him to come around right now. You know, the number
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Speaker 6: one pick missed all a training camp and so like
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Speaker 6: he's learning this. It's it's tough for any rookie just
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Speaker 6: you know the stats as well as anybody Dan, but
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Speaker 6: most rookies struggle their first year. Look at what Nick
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Speaker 6: Benito is doing now versus what he did his first
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Speaker 6: year come out of Oklahoma. It's literally on the job
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Speaker 6: training every day, and you can't spend enough time around
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Speaker 6: Trey or other veterans that understand what that's all about
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Speaker 6: right now, So we got to give you know, the
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Speaker 6: rookie linebacker chance here, you know, to kind of you know,
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Speaker 6: see these formations and the motions and you know, get
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Speaker 6: his eyes in the right place. You know, he's got
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Speaker 6: a good veter next to him that can help them.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Lions. They come to town leading
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Speaker 1: the NFL and scoring at thirty four points a game.
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Speaker 1: That's despite losing their offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, who is
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Speaker 1: now the head coach of the Bears. What can a
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Speaker 1: defense do to try to slow down Detroit.
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Speaker 6: Well, the first thing you got to do, Dan, honestly
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Speaker 6: is you've got to stop the explosives, you know, and
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Speaker 6: the run in pass because Jamiir Gibbs can score from anywhere.
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Speaker 6: But you know, I say that, and then you see
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Speaker 6: David Montgomery go for seventy a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 6: You know, I've never seen David Montgomery on seventy yards
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Speaker 6: in a game. And I go back to his high
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Speaker 6: school in Ohio, you know, but I've never seen him
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Speaker 6: at Iowa State ever do that.
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Speaker 7: So you got to stop the explosive.
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Speaker 6: And then you know Jameson Williams can score from anywhere,
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Speaker 6: so those and they're going to try and hit those.
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Speaker 6: Johnny Morton will call those plays up. So you've got
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Speaker 6: to limit the explosives number one. And then you've got
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Speaker 6: to find ways to get GoF off the spot. If
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Speaker 6: you let Jared Goff, he is a he's a surgeon
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Speaker 6: back there. If you let him stay on that spot
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Speaker 6: and read defenses and find his outlets, he's going to
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Speaker 6: have a good day.
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Speaker 7: So you got to get quick pressure to Jared Goff.
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Speaker 1: Detroit is thirty two and ten playoff game since the
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Speaker 1: start of twenty twenty three. Dan Campbell's built a heck
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Speaker 1: of a team in Detroit. You're going to be in
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Speaker 1: the radio booth on Sunday. Give us a formula for
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Speaker 1: how the Bengals come away with a victory at home.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think they got to hit their explosives.
16:14
Speaker 6: I mean, look, you just paid two wide receivers a
16:17
Speaker 6: boatload of money to go win games. And honestly, Dan,
16:20
Speaker 6: your stars win games, and those are your stars, So
16:23
Speaker 6: you got to find ways to get you know, Jamar,
16:25
Speaker 6: because you know, I think they're going to bench Terry
16:27
Speaker 6: and Arnold this week. I mean, he was their first
16:29
Speaker 6: round pick. He has not played well. He's had a
16:31
Speaker 6: lot of penalties and a lot of penalties last year.
16:34
Speaker 6: So their's secondary while they have had a lot of takeaways,
16:38
Speaker 6: especially you know at the safety position, they're vulnerable out there,
16:42
Speaker 6: and so take your shots, take your go balls, you know,
16:46
Speaker 6: against with t and Jamar and hit them.
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Speaker 7: I mean that's that's the start. And then I think,
16:51
Speaker 7: you know, anytime you got.
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Speaker 6: A guy like Aiden Hutchinson on the other side, like
16:55
Speaker 6: you've got to make them play the run as much
16:57
Speaker 6: as you can. Now they've they've added a lot of beef,
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Speaker 6: you know, Tyler Williams, They've had a lot of beef
17:03
Speaker 6: in the middle. But you know, I'd like to see
17:05
Speaker 6: the run game get going. Well, you have a little
17:07
Speaker 6: bit of balance, a little bit of play action there
17:09
Speaker 6: on offense right now, and play some keep away you
17:12
Speaker 6: know from Jared Goff in that offense right now.
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Speaker 1: Paul, do you appreciate your time and your expertise as always,
17:18
Speaker 1: enjoy your trip to Cincinnati this weekend.
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Speaker 6: I will look forward to seeing you and my trip
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Speaker 6: to the John. If you remember, Dan, last year, Week five,
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Speaker 6: Baltimore came to town and I mean you were up ten
17:32
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter. He lost the game, but it
17:34
Speaker 6: was the Jungle was rocking that day, and there's a
17:37
Speaker 6: lot of good things that happened that day. Joe played fantastic,
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Speaker 6: Jamar was fantastic. They lost to you know, Lamar to shootout,
17:44
Speaker 6: but that was that was one of the more fun
17:46
Speaker 6: games I announced all year last year.
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Speaker 1: Well, hope for a similar atmosphere with a different outcome
17:52
Speaker 1: this Sunday.
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Speaker 7: That's it, Dan.
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, a team that went fifteen and two
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Speaker 1: last year, earned the number one seed in the playoffs
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Speaker 1: in the NFC, but lost at home to Washington in
18:26
Speaker 1: that first playoff game forty five thirty one due to
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Speaker 1: a defense that was decimated by injuries. The Lions opened
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Speaker 1: this season with a fourteen point loss in Green Bay,
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Speaker 1: but they've won three in a row since and averaged
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Speaker 1: forty one points in those wins. Matt Derry is the
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Speaker 1: host of the Lockdown Lions podcast, and he discussed the
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Speaker 1: team with Dave Lapham and me on the Bengals Game
18:51
Speaker 1: Plan Show.
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Speaker 4: They're really on a roll, right and how they look
18:55
Speaker 4: good opening week? You know, you take a lot, you
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Speaker 4: take nothing out of the tason and really training camp
19:02
Speaker 4: because a lot of the regulars weren't out there and
19:04
Speaker 4: they looked rusty and they looked unprepared for Week one
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Speaker 4: in Green Bay, and they got exposed and played really poorly,
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Speaker 4: really at all three phases since then, the last three games,
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Speaker 4: the Bears at home Baltimore for a big Monday Night,
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Speaker 4: went on the road, and then last weekend taking care
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Speaker 4: of the Browns at home. The Lions looked like the Lions.
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Speaker 4: They looked like a team that is destined to get
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Speaker 4: back to the NFC Championship. It's fundamentals with them, Dave.
19:28
Speaker 4: You know this blocking and tackling. They've won up front
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Speaker 4: with their O line, their D lines the last three
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Speaker 4: weeks dominated the Ravens in that department, and then did
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Speaker 4: the same with the Browns this week, kept Jared Goff clean,
19:39
Speaker 4: no sacks from Miles Garrett and at Brown's front, and
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Speaker 4: then they feel very good about themselves at three and one.
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Speaker 1: Right now, you mentioned the offensive line, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you about the right tackle. Back in twenty twenty one,
19:51
Speaker 1: there was something of a civil war here in Cincinnati
19:54
Speaker 1: leading to the draft. Should the Bengals take Jamar Chase
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Speaker 1: or Piney Sewell, Bengals are obviously happy with the guy
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Speaker 1: they took. Jamar has been tremendous but the Lions are
20:03
Speaker 1: happy with the guy they took as well. Do you
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Speaker 1: think panay Sewell is the best offensive lineman in the NFL?
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Speaker 4: You know, Dan, I think he's the best right tackle
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Speaker 4: in the game. I mean that I can say. I
20:15
Speaker 4: mean there's some very good old linemen out there, and
20:18
Speaker 4: obviously a Tristan Wurfs is out there. And you know
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Speaker 4: there's a guy with the Chargers right now that I
20:23
Speaker 4: would love. But if he's not he's not healthy. Right now,
20:26
Speaker 4: there's plenty of good ones. You know, Creed Humphrey in
20:30
Speaker 4: Kansas City is so good. But Piney Soul, to me
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Speaker 4: is the best right tackle in the game.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 4: PFF had him two weeks ago against the Ravens grated
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Speaker 4: out near in one hundred, which is almost unheard of.
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Speaker 4: Uh he's been dominating. Uh he can move. He's throwing
20:45
Speaker 4: guys around and and and then getting back up and
20:48
Speaker 4: blocking down the field. And he's just been so good.
20:50
Speaker 4: Like I said, helping helping to neutralized Miles gear At
20:53
Speaker 4: last week was a big win and keeping golf clean.
20:56
Speaker 4: And look, it's a great debate. You can still debate
20:59
Speaker 4: it to this day with jamar versus pine Sui get
21:02
Speaker 4: two of the best guys in the entire league. But
21:04
Speaker 4: Lions love with it what they have in their right tackle.
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Speaker 4: He signed long term and and he's helping the guys
21:09
Speaker 4: in the interior of that offensive line. You know, he's
21:11
Speaker 4: got a rookie next him at right guard and Tate
21:13
Speaker 4: rat Legend can only make him better, and that makes
21:15
Speaker 4: Graham Glasgow better, and that makes Taylor Decker better and
21:18
Speaker 4: Christian Mahiney the left guard. Soule's you know, he's a
21:22
Speaker 4: tone setter man, and love watching him against Trey Hendrickson
21:26
Speaker 4: this week. That'll be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 8: That leads me to your head coach, Dan Campbell. That
21:32
Speaker 8: dude is a tone setter in terms of I think
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Speaker 8: a leader of men. How important has Dan Campbell been.
21:39
Speaker 8: I mean a losing record year one, but none ever since.
21:43
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, five hundred or better, that's what
21:45
Speaker 8: you get with Dan Campbell. How important has he been
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Speaker 8: to the success of Alliance?
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Speaker 4: He's changed the culture with the Lions. He and Brad
21:54
Speaker 4: Holmes a general manager. But really, the Detroit Sports needed
21:58
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell. They really did in a time where I
22:00
Speaker 4: mean now that they said the Tigers in the playoffs
22:02
Speaker 4: Pistons made the playoffs last year. Red Winnings have struggled
22:05
Speaker 4: now for a decade. But the Lions, it was this
22:08
Speaker 4: time for them to finally turn the corner and turn
22:10
Speaker 4: the page. And this guy has come in and just
22:12
Speaker 4: he's the face of this city. And this offseason he
22:16
Speaker 4: heard Dave all those whispers about uh oh, Ben Johnson's gone,
22:20
Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn has gone. You lose your two coordinators, you're
22:23
Speaker 4: all pro center retires and Frank Ragnow what are they
22:26
Speaker 4: gonna do? How are they gonna work around? This is
22:28
Speaker 4: Green Bay gonna catch him, This is Minnesota gonna catch him. Hey,
22:31
Speaker 4: the Bears are on fire in the offseason. They win
22:33
Speaker 4: the off season every year. There the Bears of the
22:35
Speaker 4: offseason champs every year. So what are they gonna do?
22:38
Speaker 4: And what Dan Campbell did was just he told the guys,
22:42
Speaker 4: let's just do what we do, and that is you're right,
22:44
Speaker 4: hit people in the mouth and be physical and utilize
22:48
Speaker 4: the weapons that they have. And all of a sudden,
22:50
Speaker 4: now John Morton looks like a pretty darn good OC
22:52
Speaker 4: four games in replacing Ben Johnson and Kelvin Shepard's defense
22:56
Speaker 4: has two of the top ten edge rushers. According to PFF,
22:59
Speaker 4: in the league right now in Hutchinson and Alcade, Mohammad
23:02
Speaker 4: so Dan Kimpbell's has kept the ship steady. It's next
23:06
Speaker 4: man up when guys get hurt. DJ Reid's gonna be
23:08
Speaker 4: off this week their best corner. So you gotta figure
23:11
Speaker 4: guys like Meek Robertson and Khalil Dorsey step up and
23:14
Speaker 4: they get the confidence of their coach that they'll do okay.
23:18
Speaker 4: And so far as three wins out of four is
23:19
Speaker 4: not ben No.
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Speaker 1: Matt Dary is the host of the Lockdown Lyons podcast. Matt,
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Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit earlier in the show
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Speaker 1: about Jared Goff. Seems like he is rarely mentioned among
23:31
Speaker 1: the best five or six quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm
23:34
Speaker 1: not sure why that's the case. Lions led the NFL
23:37
Speaker 1: in scoring last year when he was the Rams quarterback.
23:40
Speaker 1: They led the NFL in scoring in one of his seasons.
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Speaker 1: Should he be mentioned at the very top of the pedestal?
23:48
Speaker 1: I don't mean number one, but among the top four
23:50
Speaker 1: or five in your opinion.
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Speaker 4: I mean he's right up there. I mean I understand
23:55
Speaker 4: why guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and what
23:58
Speaker 4: do you have in Cincinnati with Joe Burr, So get
24:01
Speaker 4: more play just because they move around. They're a little
24:05
Speaker 4: bit younger than Jared is now in his thirties, and
24:09
Speaker 4: there's a little bit more sex appeal with some of
24:10
Speaker 4: these other guys in terms of what they can do
24:12
Speaker 4: outside of the pocket. And I get it. Jared Goff
24:15
Speaker 4: was basically, you know, sent packing by Sean McVeigh and
24:19
Speaker 4: an offensive guru and told you're not good enough. And
24:22
Speaker 4: then they go get Matthew Stafford in that trade with
24:24
Speaker 4: the Lions and they win the Super Bowl right away.
24:25
Speaker 4: So that's a tough narrative to have to kind of bust.
24:29
Speaker 4: And yet Gough has done it. I mean, he's won
24:31
Speaker 4: more playoff games here than any Lion's quarterback probably since
24:35
Speaker 4: Bobby Lane. And he's so steady. Like you said, the
24:38
Speaker 4: guys love him. It helps him. They got a good
24:40
Speaker 4: run game and a good offensive line, but he's got
24:42
Speaker 4: to be throwing at a precision type rate and he does,
24:46
Speaker 4: and his receivers love him. And yes, I think when
24:50
Speaker 4: you talk in top five, top seven, eight, Yeah, there's
24:53
Speaker 4: any lists you see that's have a top ten in it.
24:56
Speaker 4: And Goff's not in there. That's not there. I mean
24:58
Speaker 4: he's been he's helped right the ship here and he's
25:01
Speaker 4: been so solid and rarely makes a mistake. Now you
25:04
Speaker 4: get some pressure on him, especially up the middle, sure
25:07
Speaker 4: he'll he'll he'll throw it to the other team. But
25:08
Speaker 4: that's with every quarterback. But so far, like I said,
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Speaker 4: edn't Ben sacked the last three weeks. That's been real key.
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Speaker 8: So Matt Dan Campbell, how has he evolved?
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Speaker 4: I mean, the guys have the utmost confidence in him,
25:24
Speaker 4: and like I said, he's a lot more creative, especially
25:26
Speaker 4: on the offensive side, in helping game plan with John Morton.
25:30
Speaker 4: He did it with Ben Johnson the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
25:33
Speaker 4: And he's making good decisions because he's putting the right
25:35
Speaker 4: he's putting the guys. It's all us that right right person,
25:38
Speaker 4: right seat mentality. He knows you know when to go
25:41
Speaker 4: for it on fourth downs. And everybody just thinks that
25:43
Speaker 4: the lines automatically always go for on fourth downs. It's
25:47
Speaker 4: not the case. But it's it's smart, it's calculated. He
25:49
Speaker 4: puts the players in the right positions. This offseason, he
25:53
Speaker 4: made a move with Hank Fraley the offensive line coach
25:56
Speaker 4: was interviewing for other jobs to become offensive coordinator other
25:59
Speaker 4: places and and Campbell told him go talk to other teams,
26:02
Speaker 4: do it, see if you can better your situation, but
26:04
Speaker 4: allowed Hain't Frailey to stay, made him an assistant head
26:07
Speaker 4: coach and has a lot of faith that maybe he
26:11
Speaker 4: can lean on a guy like that this is the
26:12
Speaker 4: old line coach, but also on some game planning during
26:15
Speaker 4: the week. So the assistants love him, the players love him,
26:19
Speaker 4: and as far as evolving goes, I think he just
26:22
Speaker 4: puts the guys in the right positions and lets them
26:24
Speaker 4: do their thing. He lets Tared Goff change playing that
26:26
Speaker 4: plays the line of scrimmage he's got. He handed the
26:29
Speaker 4: green dot on the defensive side this week, not this
26:32
Speaker 4: week this season to Jack Campbell, who's just a second
26:34
Speaker 4: year linebacker. But he put him in that spot and
26:36
Speaker 4: said told Alexanderloni he's more of a veteran. Hey, I'm
26:39
Speaker 4: giving Jack this opportunity, and everybody bought in. It's not
26:42
Speaker 4: like that in every locker room. Dave, you know that.
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Speaker 1: Matt dari is the host of the Locked On Lions podcast.
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Speaker 1: My final question Matt has to do with Week one,
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Speaker 1: the only time the Lions have lost so far this year.
26:54
Speaker 1: Green Bay held him to thirteen points, which seems almost
26:57
Speaker 1: impossible against this offense. What did the Packers do defensively
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Speaker 1: that helped them slow down this great attack?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say this. I just thought that in Week
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Speaker 4: one the Lions interior of their offensive line looked like
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Speaker 4: guys that hadn't played together, and quite honestly, they hadn't.
27:16
Speaker 4: You're talking about a brand new left guard in Christian Mahogany,
27:18
Speaker 4: you only started two games last year. Graham Glasgow takes
27:21
Speaker 4: over at center, hadn't played center in the league in
27:23
Speaker 4: a couple of years when he was in Denver, and
27:25
Speaker 4: did so in Detroit, but that was of a whole
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Speaker 4: different team outside of Taylor Decker, and then the right
27:29
Speaker 4: guards are rookie and Tate Ratlage. I think the Packers
27:32
Speaker 4: loaded the box a little bit and showed a lot
27:34
Speaker 4: of things on the interior and the Lions communication in
27:37
Speaker 4: terms of picking up blitzers or sliding protections over to
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Speaker 4: a left or right side just weren't there, and so
27:44
Speaker 4: the Lions never got in sync, and a lot of
27:46
Speaker 4: it was what the looks of that Jeff Hathley defense
27:49
Speaker 4: were I don't know if Cincinnati can emulate that. Baltimore tried,
27:54
Speaker 4: it didn't work. They couldn't get to golf. The Browns
27:56
Speaker 4: tried this week with Jim Schwartz, who's a heck of
27:58
Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator. You guys saw him week one, and
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Speaker 4: it just didn't work. So I just think the Lions
28:03
Speaker 4: has played poorly, that special teams are bad. That day,
28:06
Speaker 4: everything was bad. And since they've just they've turned it
28:09
Speaker 4: around and you know, they're just playing clean football. And
28:13
Speaker 4: I know you guys, uh, you know had to sit
28:16
Speaker 4: through what you sat through Monday night with all the penalties.
28:18
Speaker 4: That's the other Lions have have been clean in terms
28:20
Speaker 4: of the penalties, and it helps you.
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Speaker 8: Win there the fans and the fans are a big
28:27
Speaker 8: part of it. The fans support is as good in
28:29
Speaker 8: Detroit as it is anywhere any city in the National
28:32
Speaker 8: Football League, and the Detroit Lion fans take great pride
28:35
Speaker 8: in that. Does the organization in the community. Do they
28:38
Speaker 8: feel like this is a Super Bowl contender?
28:41
Speaker 4: Not after Week one? They but but I think the
28:45
Speaker 4: last three weeks people are back. Not that they jumped
28:48
Speaker 4: off the bandwagon. It was one game. But I think
28:50
Speaker 4: people look and see this team now and see the
28:52
Speaker 4: depth that's there, see what's there in the NFC, and
28:54
Speaker 4: go absolutely lap they can win this thing and get
28:57
Speaker 4: to the and get to the super Bowl. There. They
28:59
Speaker 4: are good enough. They got to stay healthy, certainly, and
29:01
Speaker 4: you gotta have Aiden Hutchinson out there healthy. That's a
29:04
Speaker 4: guy this weekend that should rereak some havoc. And you
29:07
Speaker 4: mentioned the fans, Dan and Dave. Get ready, there's going
29:10
Speaker 4: to be a ton of Honolulu blue you in your stadium.
29:13
Speaker 4: It's not a knock on Bengals. It's not a knock
29:15
Speaker 4: on Bengals fans or people not showing up. The Lion
29:17
Speaker 4: fans of the last couple of years have traveled like
29:19
Speaker 4: no other. And they were in Indie last year and
29:22
Speaker 4: invaded Lucas Oil. And that's a dry from Detroit to
29:25
Speaker 4: Indian Detroit to Cinci. No, No, it's not too hard.
29:29
Speaker 4: You're going to see a lot of Lion fans this weekend.
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