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Girl, 11, LURED OUT OF HOME BY GROWN MAN, VIDEO GAME ROBLOX · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: A little girl just eleven years old, just turned eleven,
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Speaker 2: kidnapped by a grown man she meets online playing roadblocks.
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Speaker 1: My son plays roadblocks all over the world. Tweens and
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Speaker 1: teens play roadblocks. How in the hay did he get
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Speaker 1: his mitts on an eleven year old girl? A grown man?
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Speaker 1: Number one? What is he doing playing roadblocks? Shouldn't he
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Speaker 1: have a job? But number two? Is he chatting this
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Speaker 1: little girl up online and luring her? Well, it worked
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Speaker 1: because he kidnapped her. I mean, see, Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: how did it go down? Listen?
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Speaker 3: It was an odd and early start to the school day.
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Speaker 3: An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
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Speaker 3: leaving for school early. It's around five thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 3: But then the boy realized it was Sunday. He calls
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Speaker 3: his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home, calls
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Speaker 3: the Wayne Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting, So this is a Sunday. He thinks
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Speaker 1: it's a school day and at five thirty am, the
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Speaker 1: little sister is already gone and this boy. The brother
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Speaker 1: of course calls mommy little did they know that Sunday
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Speaker 1: morning at five thirty am what was about to unfold?
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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But Alexis Estchuk first to
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Speaker 1: you Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Alexis tell me
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Speaker 1: about where the little girl lives. I know it's in
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, that the little girl was kidnapped all the
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Speaker 1: way to bear Delaware. And where was mommy?
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Speaker 4: She works overnights, she does she works a night shift,
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Speaker 4: and she was it was good morning, early in the morning,
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Speaker 4: five thirty morning, so she was not home yet from
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Speaker 4: her job. And this little girl, she lives in Wayne,
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Speaker 4: New Jersey. It's about thirty minutes north of New York City,
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Speaker 4: and it is it's actually Wayne is a nice area
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Speaker 4: of New Jersey. So they were living in a hotel.
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Speaker 4: This is temporary housing for the family. They were living
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Speaker 4: kind of in a long term hotel area. The little
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Speaker 4: girl was home with her brother while mommy was at work.
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Speaker 4: So he noticed she got up, she went to she
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Speaker 4: gets up beside thirty in the morning. She gets up
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Speaker 4: to walk outside, and he thinks, wow, she's just going
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Speaker 4: to school, and all of a sudden he realized this,
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Speaker 4: wait a minute, I'm not up that I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to school. It's Sunday. Why is she going to school?
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Speaker 4: So he called his mom immediately to report this.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in what you're saying. They
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Speaker 1: were staying kind of like an apartment suite with a
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Speaker 1: kitchen and a little den and several bedrooms in between
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Speaker 1: homes in Wayne, New Jersey. Now is it Wayne, New Jersey?
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Speaker 1: Or is it Wayne Township?
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Speaker 4: They call them townships in New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Wayne Township is a suburb. The population is only
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Speaker 1: around fifty thousand people and has been voted quote one
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Speaker 1: of the best places to live in New Jersey, where
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Speaker 1: residents feel very safe and are able to afford to
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Speaker 1: own their own home. Interesting that it's still a very
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Speaker 1: residential area where you don't expect a little eleven year
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Speaker 1: old girl to get kidnapped.
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Speaker 4: Ancy, Can I tell you what's more about the town
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Speaker 4: because of this county, yes, please, is also where a
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Speaker 4: lot of the Real Housewives of New Jersey live.
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Speaker 1: Count On Alexis Terreschuk in the middle of a crime
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Speaker 1: store to tell me about the Real Housewives Okay. I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure which housewife is on which program, but I
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Speaker 1: do know they almost all have these huge, humongous houses,
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Speaker 1: like mega mansions. And every time I saw one on
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Speaker 1: a plane on Monday, the lady beside me was watching
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Speaker 1: the Housewives. I was watching the Office, she was watching
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Speaker 1: the Housewives. And even when they're just walking around their house,
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Speaker 1: they have on full hair, I mean big hair, the makeup,
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Speaker 1: the jewels, in really expensive clothes, and they visit each
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Speaker 1: other a lot in the middle of the day. So
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to what are you trying to tell me?
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Speaker 1: This is a really upscale neighborhood. If the Housewives in
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Speaker 1: New Jersey live there, it is, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: They do. They live in these ten thousand corewood houses.
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Speaker 1: They're humongous.
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Speaker 4: But I was just giving you some contact in the area.
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Speaker 4: And this family that is living in a small long
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Speaker 4: term residential hotel hotel.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm trying to figure out now, even though
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Speaker 1: it's suburban, the tree lined streets, the whole thing, the Housewives,
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Speaker 1: the mansions, is still about twenty miles from New York,
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Speaker 1: right from New York City. Correct, Okay, but yet they
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Speaker 1: say they feel very safe. So another issue which I
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Speaker 1: find really interesting, and I'm going to go to a
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us. Ali McNeil. Ali is co founder
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Speaker 1: and executive director with revd Up Kids. And I met
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Speaker 1: Ali when I was trying to teach a course on
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Speaker 1: how to protect yourself your child once a child is
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Speaker 1: already snatched, and how to avoid being snatched. That's how
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Speaker 1: I know Ali, because Revved Up Kids is all about
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Speaker 1: saving yourself from kidnap. Allie. What people don't realize is
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Speaker 1: that predators are looking in residential areas. I told you, Alie,
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Speaker 1: I think I told you. My daughter asked me one
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Speaker 1: day she and mom, am I ever going to get
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Speaker 1: to take a walk alone? Well the first time she
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Speaker 1: said that, I said no, But the second or third
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Speaker 1: time she said, I'm like, sure, go for a walk. Well,
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Speaker 1: my husband and I had already laid out a plan
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Speaker 1: or I did, and he begrudgingly went along, thinking it
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Speaker 1: was unnecessary. I followed her surreptitiously. Halfway through the walk,
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Speaker 1: he came the other way, and once he laid eyes
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Speaker 1: on her, started backing up out of her view, of course,
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Speaker 1: until she was in eyesight of home. After you cover
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Speaker 1: so many cases of children getting snatched in residential areas.
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Speaker 1: What else can you do? I don't buy the free
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Speaker 1: range children method where they just go wherever they want,
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Speaker 1: like chickens out in the backyard in oh but residential neighborhoods.
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Speaker 1: Just because you're in a tree lined area with big
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Speaker 1: roads and mega mansions in the background with a housewives
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Speaker 1: and they are drinking it up, that doesn't mean your child.
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Speaker 5: Is safe, absolutely, Nancy. And here's the thing that we
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Speaker 5: have to be aware of. Kids do occasionally get snatched
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Speaker 5: off the street, but way more often these are people
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Speaker 5: now who are building relationships with these children in their
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Speaker 5: online worlds and creating a friendship or what feels like
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Speaker 5: a loving dating sort of dynamic with this child, and
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Speaker 5: then they convince the child to run away with them.
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Speaker 5: So no longer is you know, the predator just iving
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Speaker 5: up and snatching the kid off the sidewalk. They are
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Speaker 5: grooming and methodically building this relationship with these children in
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Speaker 5: their online world and a lot of it is happening
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Speaker 5: in the gaming environment, and a lot of it is
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Speaker 5: happening in the social media environment. So parents just need
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Speaker 5: to know it doesn't matter if you're sitting in a
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Speaker 5: million dollar home, you your child is very much vulnerable
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Speaker 5: to being approached by a predator in their online world.
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Speaker 1: Does anybody remember? It pains me to say it in
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Speaker 1: this way. Does anybody remember a thirteen year old old
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Speaker 1: girl just turned thirteen? She's like twelve in a day,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Lovell. No, I only knew Nicole and death, but
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Speaker 1: I got to speak to her mother many times. Nicole
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Speaker 1: Lovell met a Virginia Tech student, a star athlete. I
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Speaker 1: think he'd been valedictorian in high school as a star athlete.
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Speaker 1: His name was David Eisenhower, not Eisenhower, eisen Hour. And
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Speaker 1: he lured the little girl online. Because when you just
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Speaker 1: said alie' neil is joining me from Rep Duck Kids,
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Speaker 1: When you just said that the little girl thinks she's
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Speaker 1: in a romantic dating relationship, I think, how can an
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Speaker 1: eleven year old think they're in a romantic dating relationship?
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Speaker 1: How did they even know about a romantic dating relationship?
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Speaker 1: But Nicole Lovell, who had just turned thirteen, was lured
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Speaker 1: online by a Virginia Tech engineering student and they were
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Speaker 1: having full on sex, and he killed her so that
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Speaker 1: the truth would not come out that he had been
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Speaker 1: which is of course statutory rape. So the answer to that,
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Speaker 1: his answer was to kill her. Yes, in our world,
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Speaker 1: it's not a romantic dating relationship. But for a little girl.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists literally
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Speaker 1: author of the book Criminal Behavior and We're a law
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Speaker 1: in psychology intersect Doctor Sherry. I hear my son and
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Speaker 1: daughter talk about people dating in their class. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: you can't even drive, What do you mean you're dating?
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Speaker 1: Where do you go? They go, Oh, we just text.
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Speaker 1: That's what that is. So the children actually think they're
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Speaker 1: in a dating relationship, a romantic relationship because they're texting
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Speaker 1: or talking online or talking in roadblocks.
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Speaker 6: That's correct. And imagine the amount of hours of contact
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Speaker 6: when you have your own phone and the person you're
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Speaker 6: texting with has their own phone, and you have this
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Speaker 6: immediate and long hours of contact back and forth and
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Speaker 6: back and forth, and when communicating and writing, you might
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Speaker 6: share things that you would be maybe embarrassed to say
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Speaker 6: if you're face to fated or in the limited amount
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Speaker 6: of time that you have that contact. So some pretty
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Speaker 6: deep social bonds, especially for kids who tend to be
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Speaker 6: trusting and not have the life experience to be able
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Speaker 6: to distinguish between truth and lies and things like that.
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Speaker 6: On a deeper level, this is very powerful, very powerful emotionally.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to hear that sound again. Plays
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Speaker 1: Jackie from our friend Dave Mac.
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Speaker 3: It was an odd and early start to the school day.
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Speaker 3: An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
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Speaker 3: leaving for school early. It's around five point thirty in
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Speaker 3: the morning. But then the boy realized it was Sunday.
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Speaker 3: He calls his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home,
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Speaker 3: calls the Wayne Police Department.
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Speaker 1: So Mommy comes home from work, and you know that's
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Speaker 1: trouble when you have to leave work to come home.
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Speaker 1: But Mommy comes straight home and calls nine to one
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Speaker 1: one the Wayne County Police Department. Interesting that this happens
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Speaker 1: in the early morning hours of a Sunday or the
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Speaker 1: Saturday night. Not share on the timing time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me right now. In addition to Ali Neil,
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Speaker 1: executive director of Reved Up Kids and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: and of course Alexisterestchuk, Crime online dot Com is to
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Speaker 1: Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer with Bark Parental Controls and
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Speaker 1: author of Parenting and a tech world. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at bark dot us. To Tanya, thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining us. Could you just give me a rudimentary explanation
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Speaker 1: of what is Roadblocks? And it's not just where you
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Speaker 1: go on and you play a video game like MS
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Speaker 1: Pacman or something. You have conversation, you engage with the
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Speaker 1: people you're playing with or against.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Roadblocks is the most popular gaming platform with children
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Speaker 7: ages five to twelve. And to give you a grasp
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Speaker 7: of the extent of it, Roadblocks has over fifty four
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Speaker 7: million daily users, with nearly half of them under thirteen
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Speaker 7: years old.
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Speaker 1: To Tanya jord And you got me drinking from the
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Speaker 1: fire hydrant too much, too fast. Just start the whole
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Speaker 1: thing over, because you say this is what I could
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Speaker 1: get that quickly. You say it's the most popular popular
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Speaker 1: gaming platform. A. What's the gaming platform for children between
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Speaker 1: ages five and twelve? But they're fifty four million people
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Speaker 1: on it? That sounds like some pain Some adults are
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Speaker 1: thrown in.
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Speaker 7: One hundred percent. Yeah, nearly half of them are under thirteen,
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Speaker 7: which means nearly half of them are over thirteen, perhaps
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Speaker 7: over eighteen, perhaps over thirty.
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Speaker 1: Why are thirty year old and you know it's man, sorry,
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Speaker 1: man on the panel, but it's you. Why are grown
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Speaker 1: men playing roadblocks? Don't they need to work?
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Speaker 7: You know, I can't speak to their income.
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Speaker 1: Why don't I just go over to Lego Land and
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Speaker 1: get on the rides? I mean, I don't get it.
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Speaker 7: You know what's very concerning, Nancy is that I posted
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Speaker 7: a video about this on Instagram and TikTok and it
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Speaker 7: went viral. The amount of parents I have messaging me saying,
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Speaker 7: wait a minute, roadblocks has parental controls. I didn't even
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Speaker 7: know they had those.
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Speaker 1: T Tanya, how do we see that? How do we
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Speaker 1: see the video you're talking about?
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Speaker 7: You posted it, yeah, Instagram dot com slash t Tanya Jordan.
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Speaker 7: It's like, literally every minute, I'm getting a message from
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Speaker 7: a parent asking me how do I implement parental controls
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Speaker 7: and roadblocks? They just they don't even know it's there.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting Jackie waving wildly, Oh my goodness, Okay,
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Speaker 1: now I see why you're so agitated and turned back over.
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Speaker 1: Roughly eighteen million twains in the US, but there's fifty
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Speaker 1: four million people on roadblocks, which means a lot over
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Speaker 1: fifty percent of these are adults. Grown men and their underwear,
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Speaker 1: hunched over their computer screen playing games with children like
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Speaker 1: this eleven year old little girl. That doesn't stop you
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Speaker 1: in your tracks. I just want to, you know, set
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Speaker 1: my head on fire one scream me out of the studio.
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Speaker 1: Why are all these grown men obsessed with playing games
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Speaker 1: with children? Is nobody asking that question?
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Speaker 5: Can I speak to that really quick?
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Speaker 1: Nancy? Is this Ali? I mean if I caught my
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Speaker 1: husband at eleven o'clock at night paying roadblocks, I would
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Speaker 1: set up a seance and call his mother.
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Speaker 5: Right now, I am the mother of an almost twenty
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Speaker 5: four year old male who started gaming when he was
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Speaker 5: probably ten years old. And wow, it was a different
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Speaker 5: world back then, to Tanya, right, But anyway, he's still games.
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Speaker 5: He's still games. He's not in there the game with
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Speaker 5: children or to lure or meet children. But it's just
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Speaker 5: a pastime. It's a stretch reliever. It's fun for them.
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Speaker 5: So there are a lot of people who are playing
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Speaker 5: roadblocks who have no interest in connecting with children on roadblocks.
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Speaker 1: Alie Neil, how old is your son? Ali?
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Speaker 5: My son is twenty three and where does he live? Denver, Colorado?
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Speaker 1: So how do you know how much he's playing Roadblocks.
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Speaker 5: Oh, he's not playing roadblocks. I'm just saying video games.
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Speaker 5: I'm saying a lot of adults play video games as
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Speaker 5: a pastime and a stress reliever, not because they want
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Speaker 5: to meet little kids.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so he does not play Roadblocks.
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Speaker 5: Not that I know of. No. I think he's more
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Speaker 5: into war games and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what does he do for a living? Just curious?
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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'm not going to share all this
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Speaker 5: personal information about my son, but I'll tell you he's
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Speaker 5: a consultant.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was just curious about I mean, I
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Speaker 1: read or el's to a book on tape or cook
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Speaker 1: and constantly throwing the internet for crime stories or reading
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Speaker 1: victims that want help, and that's a pastime. I hear
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Speaker 1: what you're saying. So now I'm supposed to figret out
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Speaker 1: how many of these twenty five million adults are not
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Speaker 1: interested in meeting children. But we're specifically talking about Roadblocks
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Speaker 1: because I believe it was to Taria Jordan that gave
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Speaker 1: me that statistic that fifty four million people are playing Roadblocks?
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Speaker 1: Is that the statistic, Titanya, that's.
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Speaker 7: Correct, fifty four million daily users of the platform.
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Speaker 1: Unless you create games. It lets you play other people's games.
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Speaker 1: Does it let you have an alternate identity to Tanya?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't have to use your real name as
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Speaker 7: your user name, which is part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: It looks a lot like Minecraft, does it not. That's
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Speaker 1: what my son was into for a long time before
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Speaker 1: he got into the other one. I can't remember the
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Speaker 1: other one. Who's Nate that, yes, but happily he's grown
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Speaker 1: out of those. But back to roadblocks. Doesn't it look
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Speaker 1: a lot like Minecraft?
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Speaker 7: It does? It looks a lot like Minecraft. It's a
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Speaker 7: collection of worlds and games, and it's really an entirely
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Speaker 7: different virtual world where anybody can be anybody and talk
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Speaker 7: to anybody unless you have the chat function turned off.
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Speaker 1: And you can absolutely lie about who you are and
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Speaker 1: your age. William Slater joining me, cybersecurity expert, Chief Information
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Speaker 1: Security Officer at Slater Technologies. You can find them at
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Speaker 1: billslater dot com. Bill, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Jump in again, people, This is not high t at
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Speaker 1: windsor Castle. You're not curtseying before Queen Camilla. Jump in people. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Bill'll hit it.
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Speaker 8: Let me share some commonalities with you. The last time
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Speaker 8: I was going to call with you. In October four,
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Speaker 8: we discussed mis Alyssa Mcommon and her twelve year old
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Speaker 8: lover who's gotten you're pregnant. Let me remind, politely remind
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Speaker 8: you that she.
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Speaker 1: Got herself pregnant. She's a grown woman with children and
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Speaker 1: a teacher, correct.
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Speaker 8: Right, correct? And who knows what's going on with their marriage.
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Speaker 8: That's none of my business and I never speculate, but
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what. That relationship with that twelve year
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Speaker 8: old started with a common dialogue about computer gaming. So
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Speaker 8: if you connect the dots, you know this is a
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Speaker 8: story we're talking about today about computer gaming and roadblock
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Speaker 8: and that relationship with the twelve year old soon to
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Speaker 8: be father and the teacher down in the Covington, Tennessee
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Speaker 8: area that started over video games. So I don't think
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Speaker 8: it's a coincidence here, very.
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Speaker 5: Real danger, very real danger for our kids.
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Speaker 1: Also with us Fran Longwell, former Deputy States Attorney Calvert County, Maryland,
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Speaker 1: former Assistant State's Attorney and Prince George specializing and child
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Speaker 1: abuse and sex offenses. Fran Longwell, he's right. All three
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Speaker 1: of our guests are right. It's a commonality. It's something
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Speaker 1: to talk about and these pers can sneak in and
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Speaker 1: they know they're talking about they're talking to a child,
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Speaker 1: and they get the child's information, like, oh, where do
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Speaker 1: you go to school? Didn't I see a picture of
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Speaker 1: you online with the Mighty Tiger's shirt on from ABC
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Speaker 1: Elementary School. It was that you, Oh you're so pretty?
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. Do you like soccer? Do you
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Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift? He was swifty? And there you go,
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Speaker 1: that's what happens.
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Speaker 9: Fran Longwell, absolutely I had a couple of cases like
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Speaker 9: that where the kids were actually.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't even online.
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Speaker 9: He was like tracking them from school and then would
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Speaker 9: be them on the street and talk to them on
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Speaker 9: the street and try to befriend these kids. And it's
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Speaker 9: really frightening. Like you said, it's not like you could
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Speaker 9: just let your kids go out and walk to school anymore.
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Speaker 9: You just don't know who's out there.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's much more sinister, it's much more nefarious
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Speaker 1: because absolutely, you think that you're watching them, you think
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Speaker 1: you know what's going on, but they're literally and a
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Speaker 1: whole different universe. It's not a universe, it's more of
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Speaker 1: a metaverse that you're not a part of and they
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Speaker 1: can be physically in front of you, but yet they
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Speaker 1: could be talking to a product or Barry Golden with me,
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Speaker 1: former Senior Inspector US Marshall, Service, owner of Golden Consulting,
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Speaker 1: Golden dash CI dot com. Barry Golden, what say you?
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Speaker 10: You know? And I'm listening to the conversations by all
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Speaker 10: the other guests, and what I realized with this, I've
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Speaker 10: never even heard of Roadblocks ever before in my life
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Speaker 10: until I looked at this story. And what I take
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Speaker 10: from it is, you know, this device is just a
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Speaker 10: target rich environment for someone like this twenty seven year
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Speaker 10: old man who has alleged to have kidnapped an eleven
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Speaker 10: year old girl. So what I wonder is what is
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Speaker 10: he what kind of you know, screen name or whatever
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Speaker 10: is he using on this device? Is he posing as
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Speaker 10: a twelve year old boy? An eighteen year old boy?
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Speaker 10: I can't wrap my head around him saying I'm twenty
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Speaker 10: seven years old.
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Speaker 1: Well, Roadblocks is out there, Berry Golden, just like Fortnite,
22:33
Speaker 1: just like Minecraft, And they're not just games. It's a
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Speaker 1: cross between a chat room and a game because you're
22:41
Speaker 1: playing a game, but you're playing it with other people
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Speaker 1: all over the world, and they present themselves as to
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Speaker 1: who they want you to think that they are. So
22:52
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night between the Saturday and
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Speaker 1: a Sunday, when mom is on the swing shift, and
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Speaker 1: that per knows it, he knows a little girl is
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Speaker 1: home without a parent, that's when he strikes. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to.
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Speaker 3: This, police say. The man the girl had gone to
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Speaker 3: me was named Darius. When the girl went missing, database
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Speaker 3: technology was used by Wayne, New Jersey police officers to
23:17
Speaker 3: uncover Darius's full name and phone number. It's twenty seven
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Speaker 3: year old Darius Mattolewich and he lives one hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty five miles away from Wayne, New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: We that just so, ken, this guy is willing to
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Speaker 1: drive one hundred and thirty five plus miles to get
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Speaker 1: to this little girl. Wow, what would he want to do?
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Speaker 1: Go to Baskin Robins to get an ice cream? One
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five plus miles A licensed to reschuck
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Speaker 1: with us crime online dot Com investigative report. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: He lives over one hundred and thirty five miles away.
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Speaker 4: He does exactly so. He took her across the state line,
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Speaker 4: which is not a good thing at all. This is
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Speaker 4: actually going to be a felony, and he's facing peony
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Speaker 4: kidnapping charges and this could be years in jail, decades
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Speaker 4: in jail for her.
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Speaker 1: Well do you have a problem with that, Alexis? How
24:11
Speaker 1: about how about a grown woman or a man meets
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Speaker 1: up with your little angel, your precious boy, and takes
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Speaker 1: him across state lines. Why do you care how long
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Speaker 1: he's going to be in jail?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that he should be facing even longer
24:24
Speaker 4: time you take a child away from the home. And
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Speaker 4: the thing is there one thing that the police have
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Speaker 4: said this little girl had complained, Well, let me take
24:31
Speaker 4: that back. This man is saying that she told him
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Speaker 4: she begged him to come and get her because she
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Speaker 4: was in an abusive home.
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Speaker 1: Alexi terreshat crime online dot Com, You're absolutely right. He
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Speaker 1: is now claiming that the little girl wanted to be
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Speaker 1: quote rescued. Really well, why didn't he call police or
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Speaker 1: social workers? He's nearly thirty years old. Why did he
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Speaker 1: drive over two hours, well over two hours to go
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Speaker 1: and get her and take her across state lines. He
24:59
Speaker 1: didn't take her to a therapist, He didn't take her
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Speaker 1: to a doctor, he didn't take her to anyone that
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Speaker 1: could help her, and he happens to be the same
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Speaker 1: person that has been luring her online. You know what
25:10
Speaker 1: this reminds me of. It reminds me of my longtime
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Speaker 1: friend and colleague, Mark Class. His daughter Polly was kidnapped
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Speaker 1: out of the home in the middle of a spend
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Speaker 1: the night party and she was sex assaulted, horribly and murdered.
25:27
Speaker 1: And in court the killer dared to say, oh, she
25:31
Speaker 1: was being abused at home. She was not. Mark Class
25:36
Speaker 1: almost got to him in the courtroom. He dove over
25:39
Speaker 1: pews and over the gate, the wooden gate, keeping the
25:45
Speaker 1: audience from the lawyers and parties, and went straight for
25:49
Speaker 1: his throat. Sadly, he didn't make it that said you
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Speaker 1: think I believe this poc technical legal term when he
25:59
Speaker 1: says so, I was just rescuing her. No. No, William
26:04
Speaker 1: Slater joining a cybersecurity expert and chief information security officer
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Speaker 1: Slater Technologies, Inc. William question. The police very quickly uncovered
26:17
Speaker 1: Darius Matlewatches full name. They know exactly where he lives.
26:23
Speaker 1: They get it all through what his server ID or
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Speaker 1: his vote. How did they do that?
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26:36
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26:46
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26:48
Speaker 8: great research tool to find out about people. The second
26:52
Speaker 8: reason is, for all the years I've been in computing,
26:56
Speaker 8: I've never gone out on the dark web. And I
26:59
Speaker 8: don't advise pe to go in the dark web. So
27:01
Speaker 8: this tells you. This truthfinder dot com tells you a
27:05
Speaker 8: lot about people, including the vehicle ID of the vehicle
27:10
Speaker 8: they drive. It tells you all their past phone numbers,
27:13
Speaker 8: their addresses, their associates, et cetera. So I think their
27:19
Speaker 8: investigation may have started there, but.
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Speaker 1: They had to have a way to get his name.
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Speaker 1: So they go to the girl's computer. Well, she's been
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Speaker 1: playing roadblocks, and what if anything do they find on
27:32
Speaker 1: the computer. Let's go chronologically from A to Z. The
27:36
Speaker 1: first thing they do is look at her computer or
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Speaker 1: her cell phone, which I'm sure she took with her.
27:41
Speaker 1: But what would they look for on her computer?
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Speaker 8: William Slater, Yeah, the first thing that they would look
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Speaker 8: at is things like the browser cash and in any
27:51
Speaker 8: residual data, data files that can be found that are
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Speaker 8: associated with that application, and then it all falls down
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Speaker 8: from there. It's very easy.
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Speaker 1: Can you please speak English to me? They go on
28:07
Speaker 1: her computer, they find out who she's playing roadblocks with.
28:12
Speaker 1: Then they can find his PI Internet provider, his IP
28:16
Speaker 1: excuse me internet provider, and from there they may be
28:21
Speaker 1: able to get his telephone if he's telephone number, if
28:24
Speaker 1: he's playing on a cell phone, which he probably is.
28:26
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, Let me throw this
28:29
Speaker 1: to Tanya Jordan. I doubt he's sitting at a mainframe.
28:34
Speaker 1: He's probably on a tablet or his phone, because you
28:40
Speaker 1: see tweens playing on their phones more than on a mainframe, right.
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Speaker 7: That's correct. Yeah, the mobile aspect and usage of roadblocks
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Speaker 7: amongst children is very high. I will say that Roadblocks
28:56
Speaker 7: has been forthcoming about working with law enforcement to help.
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Speaker 7: So the second that law enforcement pinned Roadblocks about this incident,
29:05
Speaker 7: I know that they were probably doing all they could
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Speaker 7: to dig in, find this user name and surface any
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Speaker 7: information they had about him.
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Speaker 1: So how do you locate the person based on the
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Speaker 1: little girl's computer? What do you do? Would it be
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Speaker 1: e Barry Golden or to Tawnia, anybody on the panel.
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Speaker 1: If you look on her, as he said, her browser cash,
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Speaker 1: you would see with whom she's been playing, and then
29:37
Speaker 1: you backtrack from there. Is that how they get his
29:39
Speaker 1: phone number and from his phone number they get his location?
29:42
Speaker 1: Is that how it works? Anybody?
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Speaker 10: So you don't know what's on the account. You might
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Speaker 10: have an account on Roadblocks where you have to put
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Speaker 10: some kind of email or contact number or something like that.
29:51
Speaker 10: I don't know that the ins and outs of how
29:53
Speaker 10: that database is all set up, So you may have
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Speaker 10: something like that on there.
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Speaker 1: Well, think about it. If you want to get at
30:00
Speaker 1: a new Gmail account, you put in your information and
30:05
Speaker 1: you give them information like your phone or some other
30:08
Speaker 1: email account, and so Gmail has your info because you
30:12
Speaker 1: gave it to them in order to create a Gmail account.
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Speaker 1: Very Golden helped me out.
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Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, And so you know all these accounts. When
30:19
Speaker 10: you sign up for an account, do you have emails?
30:22
Speaker 10: You have phone numbers and stuff.
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Speaker 1: With credit cards?
30:24
Speaker 10: All I need is a phone number. You give me
30:26
Speaker 10: a phone number, I'm gonna know exactly who you are
30:27
Speaker 10: in about thirty seconds. Absolutely, So that's an easy way.
30:30
Speaker 10: That's an easy way to backtrack the law enforcement. They
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Speaker 10: jumped on that. And one you don't know is that
30:35
Speaker 10: if this guy he steered away from roadblocks, maybe he
30:39
Speaker 10: provided a cell phone number. Maybe it's a you know,
30:43
Speaker 10: if he's really trying to cover his tracks, he's going
30:45
Speaker 10: to use a Google Chat or text me now or
30:47
Speaker 10: text now. There's all these apps out there that are
30:50
Speaker 10: anonymous voice voiceover IP numbers that you're virtually anonymous, and
30:54
Speaker 10: people think, oh, yeah, I'm anonymous with this. No you're not. Okay,
30:57
Speaker 10: I can still backtrack you through. That's going that's going
31:01
Speaker 10: to take a little bit, you know, some subpoenas, but
31:03
Speaker 10: we can still backtrack you. Law enforce that can't do that.
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, Wayne County jumped on it,
31:09
Speaker 1: and they figure out his location. Listen.
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Speaker 3: When he was contacted by police, Matlwich denied knowing the
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Speaker 3: girl's whereabouts. Finally, after answering more questions, Mattelwich admitted to
31:20
Speaker 3: picking up the girl and driving her back across stay
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Speaker 3: lines to his home in Bear, Delaware. The girl's parents
31:26
Speaker 3: were not aware and did not consent to the trip.
31:29
Speaker 3: He gave police his address at nine twenty five am.
31:33
Speaker 3: First responders showed up.
31:47
Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace to fran Longwell, former Deputy
31:52
Speaker 1: State's Attorney Calvert County way in Now what they find
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Speaker 1: his location than what they do.
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Speaker 9: I'm sure they tried to at that time. They're going
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Speaker 9: to interview him and try to find out what's going
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Speaker 9: on and find out if the girl's there, get the
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Speaker 9: girl back. I'm sure when they called him and said
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Speaker 9: he was in Delaware, they had people there right away
32:12
Speaker 9: in order to get the child, to get her away
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Speaker 9: from him.
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Speaker 1: The number one concern is getting the girl out of
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Speaker 1: his place. Alexis treshot what happened.
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Speaker 4: Then they took her back from him. They went and
32:25
Speaker 4: rescued her and took her, I believe, to a medical
32:28
Speaker 4: facility to make sure. Again she's eleven years old. He's
32:31
Speaker 4: in his twenties. He's so much older than she is.
32:33
Speaker 1: He's almost thirty.
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Speaker 4: And you would never expect that this was This isn't
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Speaker 4: an eleven year old and a fifteen year old. This
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Speaker 4: is a grown adult.
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Speaker 1: Alexis, have you look as much very disheveled. He is
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Speaker 1: the stereotypical guy hunch Stover's computer in the basement late
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Speaker 1: at night, playing roadblocks in his underwear. I can just
32:52
Speaker 1: can yes him. And I want to point out another
32:55
Speaker 1: thing that when authorities first came to his home, he
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Speaker 1: answered extremely evasively he he wouldn't say if the girl
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Speaker 1: was there, and he initially answered, quote in the negative,
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Speaker 1: that she was not there. So let me ask you
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Speaker 1: this fran Longwell, if he was trying to help the girl,
33:18
Speaker 1: why take her off across state lines, why hide her
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Speaker 1: in his place and lie when the cops.
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Speaker 9: Ask exactly because he wasn't trying to help her. He
33:28
Speaker 9: was trying to kidnap her, just as he did, and
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Speaker 9: he had other ideas. I'm sure of what he was
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Speaker 9: going to what the relationship is you want to call it,
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Speaker 9: that it was going to be from then on. He
33:38
Speaker 9: wasn't about to let them know she was with him,
33:41
Speaker 9: because then he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's
33:43
Speaker 9: in trouble. Now he's taken her out of state. He
33:46
Speaker 9: knows he's in trouble, so he's trying to hide it.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.
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Speaker 3: The Pisee County Prosecutor's Office charge twenty seven year old
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Speaker 3: Darius Mettlewitch with first degree kidnapping and third degree in
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Speaker 3: endangering the welfare of a child, which five foot eight,
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Speaker 3: two hundred and nine pounds and twenty seven years old.
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Speaker 3: He has since been extradited to New Jersey and faces
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Speaker 3: up to thirty years in prison if convicted on the
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Speaker 3: kidnapping charge. A judge ordered Matlwich to remain detained following
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Speaker 3: his initial court appearance. The judge cited to defend this
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Speaker 3: initial abstructive behavior in question about the girl's disappearance. The
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Speaker 3: judge also said Malllewich's lack of ties to the community
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Speaker 3: made him a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges.
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Speaker 1: And more or let's know what the prosecutor said.
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Speaker 9: Pas say it.
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Speaker 3: County Assistant prosecutor Jessica Petrella argued that the relationship between
34:31
Speaker 3: the eleven year old girl and Darius Madlewich, a man
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Speaker 3: more than twice her age, was inappropriate. New Jersey dot
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Speaker 3: Com reported that the assistant prosecutor said, quote, if Matlwich
34:42
Speaker 3: was concerned for the girl's safety, he had other options
34:45
Speaker 3: besides taking her back to his home. The man reportedly
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Speaker 3: told police that he quote thought he could handle this himself. Unquote.
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Speaker 1: Now you've got to hear what the defense attorney is saying,
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Speaker 1: and I got to tell you this is why, this
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Speaker 1: is why we have the Fifth Amendment to remain sire,
35:07
Speaker 1: right to remain silent, because this lawyer, I think is
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Speaker 1: just digging the whole worse to bury his client. Let's
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Speaker 1: star cut six.
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Speaker 3: North Jersey dot Com reports that Jillian Elko, attorney for
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Speaker 3: Darius Madlwich, argued that there were quote no allegations here
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Speaker 3: of any nefarious intent by my client unquote in the
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Speaker 3: alleged kidnapping. The attorney for Matlwich also stated that the
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Speaker 3: little girl begged Matlwich to pick her up from what
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Speaker 3: Elko called a quote unhealthy and unstable living situation unquote.
35:37
Speaker 3: Elko also said Mattelwich repeatedly discouraged the girl from running away,
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Speaker 3: and after picking her up, asked her several times if
35:44
Speaker 3: she wanted to go back.
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Speaker 1: No, to Sherry Schwartz, I think I need a shrink.
35:47
Speaker 1: So you got a guy nearly thirty years old asking
35:49
Speaker 1: a little eleven year old girl you're sure you don't
35:52
Speaker 1: want to go back. He's the adult, not her.
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Speaker 6: That is so true, And my brain is screaming this
35:59
Speaker 6: whole time. I'm older than twenty seven a professional, so
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Speaker 6: maybe I know a little bit more, But I feel
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Speaker 6: like if somebody is in trouble a runaway, if that's
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Speaker 6: what you're claiming right, that she's a runaway and she
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Speaker 6: needs to get out of her situation, what training do
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Speaker 6: you have to help her? Why is it that you
36:19
Speaker 6: don't know you're supposed to call authorities, which would have
36:23
Speaker 6: been much more efficient and fast, right, just just plain
36:29
Speaker 6: faster to get this child help. If that's what you
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Speaker 6: really believe, then driving what three hours to get to
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Speaker 6: her in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, and in absconding with
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Speaker 1: her across state lines and all of his b asked
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Speaker 1: about an unhealthy living situation? Where was mommy? Mommy? Was
36:48
Speaker 1: she out at the club lightning around Alexis Rashak? Was
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Speaker 1: mommy out clubbing that night? Yes? No? No? Was mommy
36:55
Speaker 1: hanging out of the bar, yeah, Treshchek. Was she trying
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Speaker 1: to score some crack on?
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Speaker 10: No?
37:01
Speaker 1: Was she cooking up meth in the kitchen?
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Speaker 5: Nope?
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Speaker 1: Where was she? Alexis Terreschuk at work overnight shift, working
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Speaker 1: the overnight shift so she could be with the kids
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Speaker 1: during the day. It reminds me so much alexis of
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Speaker 1: my dad that you and I have discussed many times,
37:17
Speaker 1: working the night shift, and as he called it, the
37:20
Speaker 1: third trick to support us, my mom working the day
37:24
Speaker 1: and him working the night. And this guy wants to
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Speaker 1: maddle witch, wants to jump up and say it's an
37:31
Speaker 1: unhealthy living situation because mommy's out working the night shift
37:35
Speaker 1: to support these two children. If I could just get
37:38
Speaker 1: my hands around him, give him a little finger necklace.
37:41
Speaker 1: But the mom was up onto what was happening. She
37:45
Speaker 1: didn't trust the daughter being on And remember the little
37:48
Speaker 1: girl is just eleven. Take a listen to our cut.
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Speaker 3: Too, The mom tells police this is not the first
37:53
Speaker 3: time the girl's gone missing. A missing prisons report was
37:56
Speaker 3: filed in June, but the eleven year old return ninety
37:59
Speaker 3: minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up
38:01
Speaker 3: with a man she had been talking to on the
38:04
Speaker 3: online game platform ROBLOCKX. Roblocks is a virtual universe that
38:08
Speaker 3: allows users to create and share experiences online, encouraging players
38:12
Speaker 3: to quote be anything you can imagine unquote. The girl
38:16
Speaker 3: was grounded after that incident, and access to the online
38:19
Speaker 3: platforms was taken away, but North Jersey dot Com reports
38:23
Speaker 3: the mother now says she thinks the girl may have
38:26
Speaker 3: used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with
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Speaker 3: the man.
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Speaker 1: So Titania and Jordan joining me, chief parent Officer at
38:33
Speaker 1: bart Permental Controls. This is not an AD, I have,
38:36
Speaker 1: Bark and it's so sensitive that I've told this story before, Titania,
38:41
Speaker 1: so bear with me. John David was playing soccer at
38:44
Speaker 1: the time and he dove Who's goalie? He dove through
38:47
Speaker 1: the net somehow and he stopped the other side from scoring,
38:53
Speaker 1: and he got bruises up and down his right arm
38:56
Speaker 1: doing it. And he was so proud of what he did.
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Speaker 1: He took pictures of it and sent it to one
39:03
Speaker 1: of his little friends. Hey, look what happened to me.
39:05
Speaker 1: But I stopped the score. BARK picked up. I got
39:10
Speaker 1: an alert self harm, self harm on John David. I'm like,
39:15
Speaker 1: what it was? They so sensitive? It picked up that
39:19
Speaker 1: he had a bruise and a picture. That's what BARK
39:24
Speaker 1: is and again, not an AD. But you think your
39:28
Speaker 1: children are saved. The mom took the phone away. She
39:31
Speaker 1: was only gone ninety minutes. And that's how carefully this
39:35
Speaker 1: mom is watching her after she's gone for a few
39:38
Speaker 1: minutes less than thirty minutes, and the mom doesn't realize
39:41
Speaker 1: where she is. She calls police. A little girl came
39:44
Speaker 1: home within ninety minutes and she had been out. She
39:48
Speaker 1: had met this guy somehow and only gone ninety minutes.
39:52
Speaker 1: The mom takes the phone away, takes electronics away from her,
39:56
Speaker 1: but somehow she manages to sneak back on, probably when
40:00
Speaker 1: my mom was at work. So ta, Tanya Jordan, what
40:02
Speaker 1: do we do?
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Speaker 9: First?
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Speaker 7: We got to get our heads out of sand, which
40:05
Speaker 7: we're doing by listening to this program right now. Next,
40:08
Speaker 7: we need to have candid conversations with our children about
40:11
Speaker 7: tricky people and how they might seem really nice online
40:14
Speaker 7: but they do not have our best interest in mind.
40:17
Speaker 7: Then we need to monitor. We need to use bark,
40:20
Speaker 7: We need to send screen time limits and filters and controls,
40:23
Speaker 7: and make sure the tech that our children have have
40:26
Speaker 7: location tracking capabilities. It's a whole new world when you
40:30
Speaker 7: let your children have tech. You've got to use tech
40:32
Speaker 7: to help parent them.
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Speaker 1: You know what I do After I met you, t Tanya,
40:36
Speaker 1: I always ask, hey, who are you playing with? Who's that?
40:41
Speaker 1: And my son tells me and I check, and that
40:46
Speaker 1: is always somebody. They have to play with somebody they
40:49
Speaker 1: actually know in real life.
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Speaker 7: Art.
40:53
Speaker 1: Same thing with my daughter, who are you texting? She's
40:55
Speaker 1: on into the games, but she texts a good bit.
40:58
Speaker 1: She's always on Pinterest in other places. I always ask
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Speaker 1: once in a while, I've checked behind them, and they've
41:07
Speaker 1: always told me the truth. But this little girl probably
41:10
Speaker 1: was afraid she was going to get in trouble, and
41:13
Speaker 1: she was using probably her brother's device, his cell phone.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and as of right now,
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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what happened to this little girl,
41:27
Speaker 1: but we will find out. Goodbye, friend,