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Mega Edition: The National Forest Serial Killer (Part 3-5) (9/19/26) · Beyond The Horizon

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
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  Speaker 1: the confession of Gary Michael Hall. CB, okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you one quick question. Did she ever give you
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  Speaker 1: her pin number while she was asking for it on
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  Speaker 1: the mountain? I mean, while you were asking for it
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  Speaker 1: on the mountain? Hall, yeah. After I got control of
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  Speaker 1: her around the side, she gave me a pin number. CB, okay. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: it was incorrect. CB, okay, well, I'm asking- Haul, she
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  Speaker 1: never gave me the correct number. CB, okay, well, let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this. Let me ask you, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: had the PIN number? Haul, uh-huh. And CB says you
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  Speaker 1: had her cards. Haul answers, yes. CB, but you didn't
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  Speaker 1: believe she had given you the correct PIN number? Or
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  Speaker 1: you took her just to make sure it was the
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  Speaker 1: right PIN number? Haul, correct. CB, okay, I mean, is
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  Speaker 1: that something that you had planned to do anyway? Haul, yeah. CB? Okay, Neil,
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  Speaker 1: everything okay with you so far? An answer from NS
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  Speaker 1: is unintelligible. CB, okay. Hall responds, I'm going to tell
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  Speaker 1: you right now, there was never any plan to let
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  Speaker 1: her go. CB, okay. Hall, I knew that if I
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  Speaker 1: let her go, I would be identified. I knew that
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  Speaker 1: if I let her go, she would identify me. I
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  Speaker 1: knew that she couldn't, couldn't be let go. CB, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you... Hall, I knew she was doomed. CB... By
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  Speaker 1: saying that, you're basically telling me, by saying that, you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me that when you first met her at the
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  Speaker 1: AT and Reese Trail, Hall, no, I'm not telling you that. CB, okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right, but once you abducted her, there was no
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  Speaker 1: chance she was gonna get out, correct? Hall, I can't, I, I, I, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: he stutters a few times, I'm not telling you that. CB,
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  Speaker 1: is that on the advice of your counsel? NS, well,
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  Speaker 1: you already told him, I think. CB, right. All right,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, so whatever. Which direction did you go after
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  Speaker 1: you came back and got the dog? Hall, the same direction. CB,
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  Speaker 1: north on 29. Okay. And where'd you go? Hall, Blairsville. CB,
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  Speaker 1: what'd you do in Blairsville? Hall, went to an Appalachian
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  Speaker 1: bank and the mountain bank in Blairsville. Attempted the card
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  Speaker 1: and it was the wrong card. CB, okay. And they
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  Speaker 1: didn't work? Hall, didn't work. I parked across the street. CB,
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  Speaker 1: how many cards did you use? Hall, I had, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, three, but I'm really not sure, cause she
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  Speaker 1: had me run them so many times that I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sure right now. I mean, I ran them
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  Speaker 1: in Blairsville, and then I went to Gainesville, and then
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  Speaker 1: I went to Canton. And I tried multiple times. CB,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it step by step. This time, you had
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  Speaker 1: three cards, you attempted them in the Appalachian Bank. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: I won't say I attempted all of them. CB, okay.
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  Speaker 1: But you were in possession of them. Hall, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in possession of three of them, and I probably tried
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  Speaker 1: a Wachovia debit card. Well, I know I tried that first,
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  Speaker 1: but if I tried any of the other cards, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure. CB, okay. Hall, I'm not sure. I can
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  Speaker 1: only tell you for sure that I tried the Wachovia. CB,
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  Speaker 1: and you said you parked where? Hall, I don't actually
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  Speaker 1: know my direction, but it would have been if you're
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  Speaker 1: at the ATM. It's the ATM. It's a drive-in. As
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at the ATM, I'm across the street in
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  Speaker 1: a parking lot of closed businesses. And looking at the
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  Speaker 1: ATM from my parked position, to the left and beyond
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  Speaker 1: is a Waffle House or a Huddle House there. CB.
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  Speaker 1: Did you attempt to conceal your face in any way? Hall. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I did conceal my face. CB. How did you conceal
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  Speaker 1: your face? Hall. I held a towel over my face. CB. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously to no avail at that location, so you left. Hall. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: it was a little more drawn out than that. CB. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about it. Hall. card wouldn't work it was
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  Speaker 1: either invalid or unauthorized so i came back went to
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  Speaker 1: the van i said honey i've got and she's dancing
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  Speaker 1: around with two more pin numbers well i think i
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  Speaker 1: did this or i changed it over here and i'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure about this and that and i changed it
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  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah go try it again it'll
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  Speaker 1: work cb uh-huh hall the first number she gave me
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  Speaker 1: another two numbers cb right Hall, she gave me a number.
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  Speaker 1: I tried it again. Might have tried the Visa credit
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  Speaker 1: card too. I may have had, or I may not have,
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  Speaker 1: tried another number and came back and said, hun, it's
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  Speaker 1: not working. You might as well just give it up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what she thought she was going to
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  Speaker 1: convince me to think, so she tried to give me
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  Speaker 1: a third number, and maybe even a fourth one. The
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  Speaker 1: number didn't work. Hall, none of it worked. CB, okay,
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  Speaker 1: then what did you do? Hall, So she's still telling
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  Speaker 1: me it's going to work. It's going to work. Must
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  Speaker 1: be a wrong bank or maybe Wachovia. I've only used
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  Speaker 1: it at this or that. Just a whole bunch of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: She's all over the place. And so I determined to
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  Speaker 1: drive somewhere at another bank. At Wachovia, she said she
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  Speaker 1: used that other one. CB cuts him off here. So
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  Speaker 1: you left and went to Gainesville to attempt it there? Hall, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: since I needed a metropolitan area because I'm walking up
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  Speaker 1: to ATMs, walking later at night with my face covered.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be kinda careful about what ATM
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  Speaker 1: you use, if anyone sees you, or on a cold night,
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  Speaker 1: late at night, on foot, at a drive-in, ATM, covering
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  Speaker 1: your face, you know, some police officer just passing by.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so I needed a larger metro area in
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  Speaker 1: which to get a better location and have a selection
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  Speaker 1: of locations. So I determined that Gainesville was the place. CB,
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  Speaker 1: you said a larger metro area? Hall? Larger than Blairsville. CB,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, would it have been better to have been
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  Speaker 1: done in the daylight? Hall, no, it has. There's a
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  Speaker 1: window there, you see. CB, right. Hall, the window is
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  Speaker 1: between dark and too late. CB, okay. Hall, it becomes
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  Speaker 1: inappropriate if it's too late. CB, right, but in the daytime,
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  Speaker 1: would it have been okay? Hall, no. CB, definitely not daytime. Hall, no.
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  Speaker 1: You want a time between dark and too late when
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  Speaker 1: the streets clear out. CB, okay. Paul, on a bitterly
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  Speaker 1: cold night, the streets are going to be clear and
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  Speaker 1: the police officer passing by, police officers, are inquisitive and
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  Speaker 1: curious by nature. So he would have been curious as
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  Speaker 1: to why, you know, when all the streets are empty,
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  Speaker 1: why is this guy walking around at an ATM holding
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  Speaker 1: something over his face? So Gainesville was pushing the envelope,
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  Speaker 1: but it was, it's a fairly large area, metropolitan area,
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  Speaker 1: so still activity by the time I got there, which
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  Speaker 1: is not that late, but such a bitterly cold night,
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  Speaker 1: you know? It's effectively late, very early, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: people just clear out. It's cold, went down there, and
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  Speaker 1: gotta walk over you. CB, what you're telling me is
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be dark, but there still needs to
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  Speaker 1: be people around and doing things. Hall, right. CB, so
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  Speaker 1: that you don't just sort of stand out that you're
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  Speaker 1: the only person on the street. Hall, exactly. Any police
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  Speaker 1: officer is curious and inquisitive. CB, right. And if he's
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  Speaker 1: any good at all, he's curious. And anytime he sees
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  Speaker 1: a person, anytime he sees anything that's inappropriate to any situation,
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  Speaker 1: he asks himself why. CB, right. Hall, and she found
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  Speaker 1: one in the downtown Gainesville. You're going to have it,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Off downtown Gainesville, I guess that's the main
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  Speaker 1: drag in Gainesville, but I believe it's Highway 60. There's
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  Speaker 1: a Wachovia Bank. It's near some college campus. CB, is
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  Speaker 1: it a Wachovia Bank? Hall, yeah, and it's Highway 60,
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  Speaker 1: about downtown or in the central city of Gainesville. It
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  Speaker 1: would be to the north side, on the northerly side
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  Speaker 1: of that street, which I think is 60. CB, okay. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: and she sent me to that one four or five times.
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  Speaker 1: Each time I'd come back and tell her it wasn't working.
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  Speaker 1: and she would convince me to go back and try again. CB, okay. Hall, again.
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  Speaker 1: She was only secured by a loose chain. CB, okay. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: she was not. Her hands weren't secure, but we were
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  Speaker 1: in a dark parking lot. I mean, just the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you're parked in a parking lot of closed businesses
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  Speaker 1: would throw up a flag. To a police officer, CB Wright, Hall,
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  Speaker 1: he's driving, he knows his beat, he knows everything on
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  Speaker 1: his beat. And if he's driving by a building that's
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  Speaker 1: closed and the parking lot's empty, and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden there's a van in that parking lot, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to wonder why. He'll probably check it out. I could
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  Speaker 1: be a burglar. But hey, so I was at the
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  Speaker 1: parking lot, parked there a half, I don't know, hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards away in a closed business in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: And she was always secured loosely by the chain. CB,
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  Speaker 1: when you say loosely, she could have slipped it over
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  Speaker 1: her head. Hall, no, I mean that it was loosely
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't choking. Hall, no, I would just secure
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  Speaker 1: it enough that she couldn't slip. What I mean loosely,
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  Speaker 1: she had freedom of movement around in the van. CB, oh,
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  Speaker 1: and her dog was with her, right? So you think
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  Speaker 1: she felt more comfortable? Hall, yeah. She wasn't going nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I told her if she made any noise, it
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  Speaker 1: was curtains. CB, okay, and what did you do? How
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  Speaker 1: did you put that to her? If she made any noise,
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  Speaker 1: what did you say? It's going to be curtains? Paul,
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  Speaker 1: you go messing around and I'll shoot your ass. CB, okay,
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  Speaker 1: four or five times she kept trying to convince you
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  Speaker 1: that it would work. Paul, oh, she did convince me.
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  Speaker 1: She ran me back, I'd come, I'd go, like an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really, you know, some eternal optimist. I'd have
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  Speaker 1: to go out of the van, walk for a hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards or so or wherever to run it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: come back, she'd give me some other story. You know,
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  Speaker 1: or another card. CB, right? Hall, you know, I've got
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  Speaker 1: three of them to work with. CB, yeah. Hall, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why the reason for all of this was. CB, uh-huh. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I told her later. I said, hell, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not even going to ask you why. It's just that
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  Speaker 1: I'll never understand why. What's the purpose of you been running,
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  Speaker 1: doing this for? CB, right? And so I'd run it.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't come back. She'd give me another number. I'd
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  Speaker 1: go and run that. And that didn't work. CB, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd come back. Well, they sent out probably... four
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  Speaker 1: times or so. Maybe five. She sent me walking back
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  Speaker 1: to that thing, holding a damn towel in front of me. Hall,
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  Speaker 1: by now it's getting late. The streets are freaking empty,
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  Speaker 1: and as far as pedestrians go, but there's still plenty
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  Speaker 1: of traffic. CB, right? Hall, now there's still plenty of
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  Speaker 1: motor traffic, but the streets are empty. CB, right? And
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  Speaker 1: four or five times she sent me back to that thing, man. CB. Alright,
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  Speaker 1: so basically, you tried it four or five times and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work. Now, how injured was she? To your knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, was she... Hall. Oh, I kept inquiring about that.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. CB. Could you visually see that she was... Hall.
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  Speaker 1: She had... No, she wasn't bleeding. She had slightly blackened
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  Speaker 1: eyes and a slight bruise on her nose. She may
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  Speaker 1: have fractured nose, but visually, and from what she told me,
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  Speaker 1: she just had a headache. So yeah, I gave her
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  Speaker 1: some aspirin. Oh, and I asked her what she wanted. CB,
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  Speaker 1: when did you give her the aspirin? Hall, I gave
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  Speaker 1: her aspirin several times. I'm not sure what the first
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  Speaker 1: time was. CB, okay. Hall, but I asked her constantly
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: if she was in pain. If she had pain, lost consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: I asked her if she had double vision. I asked
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  Speaker 1: her if she had ringing in her ears. And I
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  Speaker 1: asked what she wanted as far as painkillers go. And
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  Speaker 1: when she asked for aspirin, whenever that was, I gave
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  Speaker 1: her aspirin. And I continued any time she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: give her aspirin. All right, folks, we're going to wrap
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  Speaker 1: up right there. And in the next episode, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to continue on with the transcript of the confession of
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  Speaker 1: Gary Michael Hilton. All of the information that goes with
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  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off with the
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  Speaker 1: confession of Gary Michael Hilton. CB, okay, so when you
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  Speaker 1: left the bank... In Gainesville, which way did you go?
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  Speaker 1: Back to Dahlonega. Now it's too late, and I've had it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, with the MS, some days I can't get
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  Speaker 1: out of bed, and some days I'm good for a
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  Speaker 1: few hours. When I get to this point, I can't
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  Speaker 1: even remember anything. CB, which direction did you go to Dahlonega? Hilton?
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  Speaker 1: Highway 60. Yeah, Highway 60 and 400. CB? Okay. Hilton? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Highway 60 to the head of 400. CB, then what
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  Speaker 1: did you do when you got up there? Hilton, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: that's when I went, yeah. Highway 60 to 400, then
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  Speaker 1: 60 goes right on in to Dahlonega. CB, where did
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  Speaker 1: you stay in Dahlonega? Hilton, then I attempted to go north,
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  Speaker 1: 129 again, but we were now having snow, coming at
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  Speaker 1: the higher elevations. As I got to the higher elevations,
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  Speaker 1: I was going to find a place to camp, but
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  Speaker 1: I was shot by then. I couldn't think straight. CB, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you actually came 60 up to Dahlonega, and then
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  Speaker 1: you cut back across to 129. Hilton, no, 129 goes
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  Speaker 1: into Dahlonega. CB, no. Hilton, it's a bypass around Dahlonega. CB,
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  Speaker 1: are you thinking about, to that he gets cut off
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  Speaker 1: by Hilton, 129 goes over Neal's Gap. Am I not right?
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  Speaker 1: Am I correct? Hilton, we came 129. CB, okay, 129. Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: and actually for some reason, and I'm not sure why,
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  Speaker 1: I went into downtown Dahlonega, and I didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: the bypass. You know, I went to, just got on it, perhaps,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not mentally functioning by then. As I am now,
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  Speaker 1: I start, I'm starting to flag out right now. So
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  Speaker 1: I started, and he's kind of sputtering here a bit,
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  Speaker 1: and CB interrupts. I may be totally lost, but I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking 129 ran from Gainesville to Blairsville. Hilton, it does. CB, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and where? At what part of the 129? Hilton, I
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't. CB interrupts. It goes around Dahlonega. Where? Hilton, no, no. TD,
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  Speaker 1: is that 60? Hilton, yeah, we're talking about 60 probably. TD, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but 129 is. Gets cut off again by Hilton. Into town, yeah. TD, right? Hilton, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not 129 at that point. It comes into it
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  Speaker 1: at Turner's Corner is where it comes. You're right. You're right. CB,
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  Speaker 1: that's the way. That's the way we basically just came. Hilton, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some way or other I ended up going through Dahlonega.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. CB, okay. Hilton, I couldn't even
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  Speaker 1: remember straight. CB, right. Hilton, yeah, and I started north to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: with the object of getting to a campsite somewhere, and
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  Speaker 1: the snow was coming in at higher elevations, and it
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  Speaker 1: was accumulating rapidly. and there was probably two inches on
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  Speaker 1: the ground on the road very quickly, and I was
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  Speaker 1: losing traction and control. And then I came around a
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  Speaker 1: curve and a car, had sort of slid off the road,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a sheriff's deputy there with its blue lights,
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  Speaker 1: and I was struggling uphill, and I knew it was
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  Speaker 1: just gonna get worse in a higher elevation, and I
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  Speaker 1: knew that the sheriff's deputy was engaged with that car,
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  Speaker 1: but I knew that more than likely he was road,
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  Speaker 1: gonna roadblock that road, and tell everyone headed up the
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  Speaker 1: hill not to go. CB Wright, Hilton to advise them
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  Speaker 1: not to go. So I knew that if I didn't
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  Speaker 1: turn around that he was going to come after or
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: have someone come and get me and say, hey, you're nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go up there. And he was right. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have attempted it. I was losing traction and sliding. Now
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  Speaker 1: we had about two inches of ice and snow. So
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  Speaker 1: it was not so much going uphill that you may
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  Speaker 1: just lose traction and not be able to continue. But
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  Speaker 1: going downhill, you put on your brakes and just keep
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  Speaker 1: sliding and you wreck out. Hilton uphill. You just continue
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  Speaker 1: to no further. Downhill, you'll wreck. Hilton, with that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff on. CB, okay, and where did you wind up? Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: so the sheriff's car was there, and I knew if
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  Speaker 1: I didn't turn around, there or where he could see me,
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  Speaker 1: that he was going to come get me or send
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  Speaker 1: someone after me. They passed an intersection, and Hilton continues,
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  Speaker 1: now this is the intersection we came through. Yeah, out
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  Speaker 1: of Gainesville, we came through that way to Dahlonega. CB, right? Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what the hell I had in
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  Speaker 1: mind at this point. I was looking for a campsite,
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  Speaker 1: so I turned around soon as I passed the sheriff's car.
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  Speaker 1: I just turned around and turned out, you know, pulled
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  Speaker 1: off the road and glad I got traction. It was
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: in someone's front yard, but you couldn't tell that at
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  Speaker 1: first because it was just a snow pit. But it
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: sure someone or turned into someone's front yard. And I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: turned around and went back down just right past the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff's deputy. CB, OK. Hilton, she saw the blue lights
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  Speaker 1: and everything, but. She was only loosely secured as far
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  Speaker 1: as we went downhill, went down the Highway 52, Dahlonega,
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  Speaker 1: Highway 52 West, and went to a Forest Service road,
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  Speaker 1: Nimblewill Church Creek Road. It's about probably six, seven miles
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  Speaker 1: west of Dahlonega. I could point it out on a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: map and went up there, went 10 miles up there
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: because it's five miles through private property. So I went
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: 10 miles up that and there's a campsite, a number
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of campsites on that road. Camping is only allowed in
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: designated sites. CB, okay, so you camped there for the night? Hilton,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: camped there. I gave her the best bag, the best.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I gave her the mattress that didn't leak. I got
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a plus five degree bag. I had unintelligible degree, but
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know each dog got a bag. Each dog got
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a 20 degree bag. CB, where did you camp? In
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the van or outside? Hilton, yeah, I just, she helped
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: me offload the van. I just unchained. She was free.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: She was only, only secured while we were moving. She
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: was not tied up. And while we were asleep, I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: would tie a long length of nylon cord around her ankles,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: quadruple knotted, and then quadruple knotted at an anchor point
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: in the van. But other than that, it would be
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: five feet long. That was simply to keep her from
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: jumping up and taking off while I was asleep. Hilton,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: so she was only secured when we were in motion
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and sometimes not even then. CB, okay, when you got
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: out and said that you had a nylon, to this
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Hilton cuts him off. She only, no, no, that's just
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: when I went to sleep. CB, okay. Hilton, I'd say, honey,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to have to tie you loosely, uh,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: just not to, not to restrain her, but to keep
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: her from readily jumping up and running off. In other words,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: just take a hundred pound test nylon line and put
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it around one length or one thickness around her ankle
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and then put about just, you know, and then just
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: put it about five or six, seven, eight square knots
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in it and knot it tight. Not her. Tied on her.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So in other words, to get it loose, you have
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to work at it a while. It was just so
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: she could, it would wake me up if she was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: trying to leave. CB, and you had the other end
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: tied where? Hilton, to a seatbelt anchor. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that's all. She wasn't going down or anything. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: so each dog had a 20 degree bag. Hilton, she
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: got a 15 or she got a 5 degree bag.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And I got a 15 degree bag. And I gave
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: her the air mattress that doesn't leak. And I took
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the one that does leak. And to keep warm. And
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: also I ran the van. It was pretty cold. It
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was pretty cold that night. It might have been 15 outside,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: but she helped me unload the van. I inquired about food.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Neither one of us had ate anything. We fed the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: dogs and so forth. And then she still convinced me
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that the thing was going to work. Talking about the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: ATM card. Hilton, so I determined the next day that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I would go to Canton. And one reason I headed
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: in that direction is that I had a person I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: knew that I thought, you know, plan B, would be
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to try to get some money from her, and that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: she was in that direction. I don't have any money.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything. I have $ 40 on me, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: as soon as I had gotten her in the van,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: shortly after I abducted her, I stopped to get gas. CB, right? Hilton,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: at the gas station, on 129, north of Blood Mountain,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: on the first one, that was, no, I stopped at
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Bogger Hollow gas station, on the right, but it was
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: no good. That was, you know, someone pulls up at
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the other island, uh-huh, all she has to do is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: yell out, and they would be aware of it. so
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the situation, so I continued on to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the next gas station on the left or west side
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: of 129 going towards Blairsville, and I spent $ 30 of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: my last $ 40 in gas, so I had no gas,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: no money, but anyway, that's one reason I headed to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Canton so I could get on to Cartersville if necessary
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and try to get some money. CB, who is this
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: person that you are going to get money from? Hilton,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the person I was calling from the gas station- We're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: in a coming where the clothes were found, and that's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the call I was making. She refused me. CB, what's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: her name? Hilton. Sean Stewart. I believe you were probably
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: standing there as I called. CB, did you make contact
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: with her from Canton? Hilton? Not Canton. No, not Canton.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't call her until... CB, you didn't attempt until coming? Right,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: until several hours before I was arrested. Because I didn't
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: attempt it until I stopped at the gas station, let
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: her dog out there. I knew the dog would be okay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It was for several reasons. CB, okay, after you got
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to Canton, what did you do? Hilton, well, we got
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: up the next morning and I determined I'd go to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Canton because, again, I had limited range. CB, right, so
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I determined I'd go to Canton to try the cart again. Hilton,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: she's making a believer out of me. CB, uh-huh. Hilton, yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: but she knew, I knew, but hey, what else you
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: gonna do? CB, right? Hilton, I knew she was lying.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I knew she had been lying. I knew she wasn't
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: giving me the straight story. Hilton, so the next day,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I determined I would go to Canton, try it again. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and then plan to go, to go on perhaps to Cartersville,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and try to get some money from Sean. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Sean and I are not close friends. We've known, I've
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: known her for 25 years, but we're currently estranged. Known
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: her her whole life, but he trails off. CB, well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. One thing, I'm going to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: start picking up the pace a little bit, because we're
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: going to be here shortly, and he's going to want
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to talk, but what bank did you go to? Hilton,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it, but it's on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Marietta Highway south of Canton. Regions Bank, CB asks. Hilton, yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's Regions Bank. It's near the Moose facility,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and I parked around on the Moose Lodge Road. Something
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like that anyway. CB writes. Hilton, we sat over there
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: at Regions Bank. She sent me to that one twice
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: or three times. CB, and you couldn't get money there? Hilton, right. CB,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and what happened then? Hilton, went to Dawson Forest, where
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we were going now, but north on Shoal, on Shoal
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Creek Road, just north of Shoal Creek. In other words,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: several miles up the road from where we are, up
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Shoal Creek from where we're going now. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and camped there, and you know, I think we spent
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: two nights there. Because I'm pretty sure we stayed two
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: nights there because we went hiking the next day. We
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: went hiking. Yeah, we went hiking. We spent two days,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: two nights there. And we're at, we're 11 degrees outside,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: air temperature there. So I had stoves going. I had,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, stove used as a heater, CB, uh-huh. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I had the van going from time to time to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: keep warm. And we spent two nights there because we
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: went hiking one day. The next day, we took both
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: dogs and went hiking along Shoal Creek. All right, we're
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: going to wrap up this part here, and then the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic we'll pick up where
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we left off. All of the information that goes with
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: picking up where we left off with the confession of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Gary Michael Hilton. CB, okay. Hilton, and she had a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: good time. CB, how did you keep her from running
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: off while you were hiking? Hilton. No, she's, she's not
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: having a bad time. CB says, oh, I know. Hilton,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: even though she's been kidnapped, she's not having, he gets
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: cut off by CB. Yeah, I'm not saying she's having
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a bad time, what I'm asking. Hilton, there's nowhere for, oh,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I told her I'd shoot her ass down. I said, well, listen, honey,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: remember two things. Number one, if you bust out running
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on me and go through the woods. CB, did you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: have a weapon with you? Hilton, no, I told her
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I had a gun. CB, okay. Hilton, I showed her
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a BB gun. CB, you showed her a BB gun? Hilton, yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I showed her one of those Daisy XR-15 BB guns
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that looks like a Colt Combat Commander, so I had
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: three of them. CB, okay. Hilton, and I showed her
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the gun, but only said, no, don't show me the gun,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see a gun. So one time,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and that was it. No, I told her, remember two things.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: One is you bust out through the woods, the pursuer
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: has the advantage. If you bust out running down the road,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: or anywhere else, I'll shoot you down, and I'm a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: good shot, left or right-handed. And yeah, that was it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: She was not having a bad time at all, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: was enjoying herself on the hike, I could tell that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure she was just enjoying herself. This
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: dude is a narcissist like no other. CB Uh-huh. Hilton
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Commenting on how beautiful it was as we hiked for
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: several hours. CB, okay. Hilton, along Shoal Creek. Part of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it was on an equestrian trail and part of it
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was cross country. CB, what if you had been seen?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Came upon somebody. Had, did you ever think about that? Hilton, yeah. CB,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: what were you going to do? Had you told her
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: not to say anything? Hilton, yeah. I said if we
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: come upon someone, don't do anything or I'm going to shoot.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Start shooting everybody. Unless it's law enforcement, I told her.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I won't shoot it out with law enforcement because I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: won't win. But I said if it's anyone else, everybody
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: is going to get killed. CB, okay. Hilton. No, she
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: never made any attempt. CB, did you ever come upon
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: anybody on the trail? Hilton. No, hell, it was Eleven. No,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't. CB, okay. Hilton. And we hiked for several
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: hours that day with the dogs. The dogs were loose.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: She was loose. CB, uh-huh. Hilton. She was having a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: good time. And commenting on how beautiful it was. Again,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: she was having a good time. CB, yeah, I know
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. Hilton, she wasn't in mental distress or
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: anything like that. CB, so this was... He gets cut
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: off by Hilton. I was solicitous of her. Of her
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: comfort and everything else. CB, this would have been on
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the 3rd, the 2nd was the day you were in Canton, and... Hilton, yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the 3rd. CB, you went hiking for several hours. Hilton,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't know exactly why that I didn't try
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to run the cards or do the end result. CB, right? Hilton,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. CB, okay, all right. Hilton, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: then the next day we got up and I told
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: her she was going home. I'll move this along as
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you say, the next day we got up, told her
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: she was going home, and I told her that I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: had her cell phone and I had all of her
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: stuff bagged up together, which you have that bag full
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of stuff. She was concerned about her cell phone. CB, okay,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you told her that she was going home the next
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: day and you had her stuff bagged up. Hilton, going home.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and I said I'm giving you all your stuff back.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I had all her stuff bagged up together. I made
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a point of showing her, as she helped me, as
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: she always did help, load and unload. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: especially because my hand was messed up. Hilton, and so
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in other words, consistent with being kidnapped, she was having
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a good time. CB, right. Hilton, you know what I mean? CB, okay. Hilton,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say she's enjoying it, but she was... She
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was not into it. It was an experience. CB, what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I'm asking is, he gets cut off again by Hilton.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: She was at ease, at ease, totally at ease. CB, well,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Did you guys leave the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: site you were camping at, at that point, or did
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you kill her before that? Hilton, no, okay, no, we
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: are packing up, telling her I'm taking her home, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna release her. And I was gonna release her
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and show her how I made, how I was putting
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: all of her stuff together, and everything, and I put
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it all together. She said to me about her cell phone.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that she's got all her contacts in there, put her
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: cell phone in there. Sure, I had just taken out
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the battery and everything and I couldn't go south on
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Shoal Creek because we were camped right to the ford
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of Shoal Creek Road and Shoal Creek. And we just
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: couldn't go south on Shoal Creek Road. I didn't know
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: where I was going to go anyway. But so a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: big tank truck who was probably unlawfully drawing water, a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: lawn care tank truck who was probably unlawfully drawing water
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: out of the Shoal Creek and everything got himself stuck
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: crossways on the road. We went north out of Shoal
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Creek Road to Highway 50, three rights, or east on Unintelligible. Hilton,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: so this guy got the road blocked anyway, and he
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: said he was calling 911, the driver. He had got himself.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He was down there unlawfully drawing water, washing equipment off, pesticides,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing, fertilizer, out of the Ford. Just
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: because the road was a concrete road. Anyway, we headed
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: north out of Shoal Creek Road, Highway 53, right east
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: on 53, and to Highway 9, south on Highway 9
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to Dawson Forest Road, here. Here north, up to that point,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: took her into the forest, told her I was getting
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: her stuff together. I had to get the truck because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we had just thrown everything in because of that guy. CB,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: all right, slow down a little bit. CB, you came here? Hilton, yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: CB and you got her out of the vehicle Hilton
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: yeah because I told her listen the guy stuck down
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: there she was loose the whole time she was loose
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: driving down here man okay CB okay Hilton I'm keeping
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a heads up CB did she ride up front Hilton
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: no she just lay down in the back and relaxed
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you know CB yeah Hilton, I always, she was always
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: at ease after that. You notice he keeps saying that?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Because we all know she wasn't at ease. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and here, north, up there, we came to this location. Hilton,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: but just a real quick backup, when that thing got stuck,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I said, hey hun, we gotta get out of here
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: right now. The guy's stuck, the law's coming, he's called, man,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we jumped. She helped me, I mean, she jumped right
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: into it. We just grabbed everything. So we just had
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: piles of stuff. In the van, just everything we had
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: thrown in the van, piled up. She jumped in, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: we took off. She wasn't even secured, man, you know.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Drove to here, I said, hey, I gotta get this
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: stuff arranged. We're gonna let you go, etc., etc. I've
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: gotta move off of here. The law's all over this
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: place and everything. Drove down here, parked. I walked her
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: into the woods. Got two sleeping bags. I got an
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: air mattress for her to sit on. Two bags to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: put over her. A length of chain. Took her down
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to the location where she was killed. Secured her to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a tree. Walk back to the van. I'm staggering around
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: by now. You know, I am just I've had it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I can't even think straight. You know, I'm just staggering.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Multiple sclerosis and all CB. Uh huh. Hilton. Then I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: went and kind of got myself together, made some coffee
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and everything. Got an iron bar, a jack handle, walk back,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: told her, OK. And at that point she was she
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: said she was afraid you weren't coming back. You glad
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to see me? And she said, I was afraid you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: weren't coming back. I gave her a book to read
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and everything else there and I walked up and made
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: as if to unsecure the chain and I struck her
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with the bar. CB, what bar? Hilton, it was a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: jack handle, just a straight jack handle, the solid iron
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: iron bar. I struck her with that and she said, no,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: let me go. She put her hands up. I kept
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: striking her and you'll see some defensive wounds to her hands. CB, okay. Hilton,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: she lost consciousness and I kept striking her to ensure
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: she was dead. CB, okay. Hilton, and then I unsecured her,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: removed her clothing for forensic evidence, you know. She's, well,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: actually the blue jacket you have that's soaked with her blood.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: That's mine. CB, okay. Hilton, the pile pullover, the fleece,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the pullover that's soaked with blood. Hilton, that's mine. CB, uh-huh. Hilton,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: The pants, pile of pants that she was wearing, she
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: had a pair of sweatpants on, but she had a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: pile of, pile of pants on over that. That's mine.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: She was wearing a lot of my clothes because I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: kept her dressed warmly. CB, right? Hilton, that's all mine. CB, uh-huh. Hilton.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So I removed the clothing and at that time I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: removed the head. CB, let me ask you this. What
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: did you hit her with, with the bar that you had? Hilton, yes. CB?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Which is like a tire iron or what? What are
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you talking about? Hilton, it belongs to the jack that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: comes with an Astro. CB, I gotcha. Okay. Hilton, it's straight. CB, okay. Hilton.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And at one end, it's a lug wrench. CB, right.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And where's it at? Hilton, it's laying on the grass
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: at the gas station incoming, but where my van was parked. CB,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: it's in the grass. Hilton, laying on the grass by
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the tire pressure place. CB, okay. Hilton, near the dumpster
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: where I was parked when I was putting it in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the dumpster. Making the phone call, I just took that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: tire iron and placed it on the grass. CB, on
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the grass, all right. Carry on about basically removing. Hilton, okay,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: removing her head. CB, yeah, you removed her head. Hilton,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: with a serrated knife, which you probably have in the dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's there. CB, okay. CB, a serrated knife. Hilton, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like a butcher knife or a kit, a kit, a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: kitchen knife, a long, he gets cut off, and that
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  Speaker 1: was in the dumpster as well, CB says. Hilton, I
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  Speaker 1: believe so. I'm not 100% sure. CB, okay. Hilton, uh, that. CB,
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  Speaker 1: can you describe it for me? Is it a folding knife? Hilton, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's a kitchen knife, just like it would come in
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  Speaker 1: a set of serrated knives. You know, one-sided, one sharpened edge. CB, right? Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: it's just your standard generic cheap 12-inch. You would call
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  Speaker 1: it a butcher knife. CB, right? What I mean is,
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  Speaker 1: is that difficult to, like, take somebody's head off? I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen that done. I mean... Hilton, well, I understand.
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  Speaker 1: And it didn't seem real. It doesn't seem real. Looking
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  Speaker 1: back on it, CB, I can't imagine a kitchen knife
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  Speaker 1: being able to do that is what I'm getting at. Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: this is a knife with a blade this long. CB, oh,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Hilton, it's serrated, and so it's a saw. CB, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I gotcha. Hilton, it's just sawing. All you gotta do
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  Speaker 1: is keep sawing and sawing. CB, right? Hilton, sawing. CB,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I gotcha. Hilton, sawing, sawing, and then get through the joint.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like you would. That's what it's made for
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen. CB, right, Hilton, to cut up meat. CB, right, okay, Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: what you would use it, it's a little bigger than
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you would use to cut a chicken up with. CB, right, Hilton,
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  Speaker 1: but you'd cut it up, a leg of lamb or
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  Speaker 1: anything else. Just got, it's got a blade and it's straight.
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  Speaker 1: And it comes to a point, and one side is
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  Speaker 1: sharp and the other side is not. It's a handle
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  Speaker 1: with no hilt on it, and it's just a kind
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  Speaker 1: of standard knife, a kitchen knife. You know, you would
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: get at a set of knives with one blade this
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  Speaker 1: long and you'd have a paring knife that long. Then
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you have a blade that's this long and it was,
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  Speaker 1: he was cut off by CB. I know what you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: talking about, Hilton. One blade that long, CB. I know
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: what you're referring to. It's just a cheap knife, Hilton says.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And you threw it into the dumpster in Cumming, I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: believe you said, CB asks. Hilton, I think that's where
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it ended up. All right, we're going to stop here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off and continue on with the confession
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  Speaker 1: of Gary Michael Hilton. All of the information that goes
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  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.