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PEPE_ CAFU_ TAFFAREL_ MENGÁLVIO _ RIVELLINO - Podpah _103 · Luke's English Podcast

• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Ha, gringos?
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  Speaker 2: Nunca entenderão.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: Baraná Antarctica, sede de torcer é coisa nossa.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, guys?
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to another Podpah.
• 1:03
  Speaker 5: And, Igor, by the way, today is a Podpah.
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  Speaker 2: It's an unbelievable day.
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  Speaker 5: Historic for our country.
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  Speaker 2: Unprecedented in the world.
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  Speaker 5: This has never been done here.
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  Speaker 3: This has never been seen before.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, my brother? I'm great, and you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine, thank God.
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  Speaker 2: You're beautiful, man.
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  Speaker 1: You too, man.
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  Speaker 5: This jacket is very beautiful, right?
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  Speaker 2: New collection, new collection. This is a new collection too.
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  Speaker 2: Very cool. This one is for goalkeepers, right? Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: The goalkeepers will be with this.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Leave a like, subscribe. Dude, this episode is amazing. Before
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  Speaker 2: introducing our guests, our heroes, I need to talk about
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  Speaker 2: our master sponsor of today, Mítico Jovem. I'm very happy
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Guaraná Antarctica. Because the thing is that
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  Speaker 2: it's time for Brazil to enter the mythical field and
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  Speaker 2: everyone will become that root supporter, even you who don't
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  Speaker 2: like soccer, okay? And Guaraná Antarctica launched special cans, collectibles,
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  Speaker 2: inspired by the historic blankets.
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  Speaker 3: That we won the titles, right? The five titles that
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  Speaker 3: we have.
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  Speaker 2: On this chest here.
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  Speaker 3: For example, this one is from 58.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Because we won this title... Vestido azul?
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  Speaker 6: Em 58.
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  Speaker 2: Exatamente, Mítico Jovem. Então latinha de 58, 62, 70, 94
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  Speaker 2: e 2002.
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  Speaker 3: E tá faltando qual lata?
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  Speaker 2: A do Hexa.
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  Speaker 3: Você não acha?
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  Speaker 1: Agora.
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  Speaker 2: Já são 24 anos, Mítico Jovem, de jejum, de seca.
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  Speaker 2: E quanto maior a seca, maior a sede de Hexa.
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  Speaker 2: So enjoy and start killing the thirst by collecting the
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  Speaker 2: special cans of Guaraná Antarctica Zero, okay? And the thing
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  Speaker 2: is that it's a record on the screen for you
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  Speaker 2: to buy yours. Why thirst to support what, Mítico Jovem?
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  Speaker 3: It's a thing of ours, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Follow Guaraná on his social networks, because they are crazy too,
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  Speaker 5: because they organized... All this stuff here to happen, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, see?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Baraná Antarctica. Snack is us.
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  Speaker 2: We're together a lot. And the thing is this, Mítico Jovem.
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  Speaker 2: Since I said there's a can that represents each title
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  Speaker 2: of our Brazilian team, we have here an athlete that
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  Speaker 2: represents each title of the Brazilian team as well. Receive
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of affection, make a lot of noise,
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  Speaker 2: make a real noise, knock down this studio. Pepe, Mengálvio, Rivelino,
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  Speaker 2: Tafarel and Capu, our guests today.
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  Speaker 3: This is history.
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrified, man. You have to respect, Furinho. Just to start,
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  Speaker 2: if today we are the country of football, it's because
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  Speaker 2: of you, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Applause again.
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  Speaker 5: Respect.
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  Speaker 1: How cool, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Encounters of generations. How is it going today? A question
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  Speaker 2: for everyone, because I imagine the meeting must have been exciting.
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  Speaker 2: You've been here in our studios for a while now.
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  Speaker 2: How is it going?
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  Speaker 1: Ah, I'm going to start talking.
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  Speaker 6: Please.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to start.
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  Speaker 1: It's our chapter. You come to ask me how it is,
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  Speaker 1: starting a day, how was today?
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  Speaker 3: Are you feeling honored, Cafu?
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  Speaker 1: First, honored to be here with Guaraná. Guaraná kills our thirst,
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  Speaker 1: this shadow of doubt. Look at that. It's an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to be here with you. Why do I like to
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  Speaker 1: ask for the word first? Because when you talk, the
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  Speaker 1: other day I went to ask, the last time I
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  Speaker 1: met these fairies, I said, thank you. They said, but
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  Speaker 1: thank you for what, Cafu? You're the captain.
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  Speaker 7: I said.
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  Speaker 1: Let me explain to you why I was captain. Because
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  Speaker 1: we gave sequence to a story that started in Mengálvio
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  Speaker 1: in 1958, that came to Pepe in 1962, that came
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  Speaker 1: to Riverino in 1970, that passed through Tafarel in 1994,
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  Speaker 1: that came to us in 2002. We are only giving
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  Speaker 1: sequence to a story that you started. I pay tribute
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  Speaker 1: to you because you are our idols, our heroes. The
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  Speaker 1: same emotion that you felt, that you were scared, man, I,
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  Speaker 1: close to these beasts here, I stay in the same way.
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  Speaker 1: Because I only followed what they started. They started with
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  Speaker 1: a difficult football, a sweaty football, which had few expressions.
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  Speaker 1: These guys really brought glory, brought joy to Brazilian football.
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  Speaker 1: And we followed with this joy, being the world's pentacampeão.
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  Speaker 1: We hope that now this Hexa can arrive, so that
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  Speaker 1: they can continue from where we started. So, it's an honor,
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge pleasure. First, to be here with you,
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  Speaker 1: and second, To be part of this team. This squad.
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  Speaker 2: It's a joke.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with Cafu. Because sometimes we don't meet much.
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  Speaker 4: Cafu comes with Trombo, Menga, Pepe. It's the first time
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  Speaker 4: I meet Tafari. It's the first time. It's a great pleasure.
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  Speaker 4: Because they are people who make a part of the
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  Speaker 4: history of football.
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  Speaker 6: They marked Brazilian football.
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  Speaker 4: And they will be marked for the rest of their lives. Although, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: Brazil has a memory.
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  Speaker 4: He forgets things very easily. Or he just.
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  Speaker 3: Contemplates after his life.
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  Speaker 4: Or he contemplates like our eternal king, Pelé. For God's sake,
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  Speaker 4: you can talk about him whenever you want. Nobody talks
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  Speaker 4: about Pelé.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know when?
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  Speaker 3: When he says, it's been so many years since he died.
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  Speaker 4: And the greatest player won't have a player like Pelé. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a great pleasure to be here. And I
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  Speaker 4: also thank Guaraná Antártico for the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, Mengá? Are you okay, my brother?
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  Speaker 6: Thank God, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: And you, Pepe?
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  Speaker 8: I'm fine, fortunately, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, how cute!
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  Speaker 8: I keep working there at Santos Futebol Clube.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: You keep going there?
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  Speaker 9: So.
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  Speaker 2: Taking care of things?
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  Speaker 9: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Ask Pepe how old he is. Pepe, how old are you? Me?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's better not.
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  Speaker 3: To say, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: This is not a matter of age, no. No, no.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going.
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  Speaker 8: To deliver gold, right? 90, but with health.
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  Speaker 4: With health.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of health. Oh, Pepe, a curiosity. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to start with you. Was Pelé hungry? Hungry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because more than a thousand goals, then I went
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  Speaker 3: to see. And what about Pepe? Only in Santos, 405.
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  Speaker 2: I said, my God. One with a thousand, the other
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  Speaker 2: with 400.
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  Speaker 3: Did he touch the ball for you?
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  Speaker 9: The biggest goal I've ever seen was 405 goals.
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  Speaker 8: It was eternal.
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  Speaker 3: But Pelé, was he hungry or did he pass the
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  Speaker 3: ball to you?
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  Speaker 6: No, no.
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  Speaker 8: He scored goals, but he also left us in the
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  Speaker 8: face of the goal. Fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: A complete player.
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  Speaker 8: There won't be another equal, right?
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  Speaker 1: There won't.
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  Speaker 5: But if he scored 1,000, he scored 400, imagine this team, dad.
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  Speaker 2: Ney, I want to talk to you who played... Who
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  Speaker 2: brought the first, second title, Mengalva and Pepe were... were
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  Speaker 2: in these teams and I wanted to know that there
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  Speaker 2: is one thing that people talk a lot about and
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  Speaker 2: that in the past soccer was easier than in the
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  Speaker 2: past you played with bad people and I fully disagree
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  Speaker 2: with that what can you say about that you who
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  Speaker 2: were there and played this soccer and can prove that
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 9: Not so easy so this generation of 58 62 is
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  Speaker 9: wonderful 70 And there were players who were really unbalanced.
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  Speaker 8: The team was.
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  Speaker 9: Good, everyone played well, but there were two or three
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  Speaker 9: who were unbalanced, in the case of Garrincha, de Riveleira.
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  Speaker 2: These guys there.
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  Speaker 9: Ronaldo, Gaúcho, Penalrona, Ronaldinho, Phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 8: Extraordinary players. So, Brazil was a power in football.
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  Speaker 2: And little is said about Garrincha, right? Because everyone I
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  Speaker 2: see mentions Garrincha, they say, after Pelé, Garrincha. And what
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  Speaker 2: can you say about Garrincha, so we can remember his memory?
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  Speaker 2: Because I think he was a crucial guy for our history,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God!
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  Speaker 9: From 1958 to 1962, the coaches would say, with difficulty,
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  Speaker 9: ball to Mané! Was that what they shouted?
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  Speaker 8: It was hard.
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  Speaker 1: It was hard.
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  Speaker 2: Ball to Mané.
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  Speaker 7: Mané.
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  Speaker 8: Goal to Pelé. Goal to.
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  Speaker 9: So he solved the problem. On top of that, Pepe
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  Speaker 9: is talking about Garrincha.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: For me, Garrincha won two World Cups. 58 and 62.
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  Speaker 3: 62, then, what he did, even from the head, left
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  Speaker 3: foot goal.
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  Speaker 2: So, you have to talk about Garrincha more.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I said.
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  Speaker 4: I said, right? I only mentioned Pernambuco. And so many
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  Speaker 4: other wonderful players. Unfortunately, our Brazilian memory forgets things very easily.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I want to build this story from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: For example, the 1958 World Cup. We came from Maracanã,
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  Speaker 2: which we lost to Uruguay. The goalkeeper of that national
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  Speaker 2: team was very crucified. Barbosa was very crucified. I saw
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  Speaker 2: an interview with him. before he I think he passed
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  Speaker 2: away right before he passed away that he carried this
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  Speaker 2: guilt for a long time but what was the pressure
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  Speaker 2: of the 58 World Cup for Brazil because today we
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: know that we are the country of football the heaviest
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  Speaker 2: shirt with five titles but what was the pressure to
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  Speaker 2: play that cup where we didn't have any.
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  Speaker 9: Title and Brazil was already being considered the best.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: Brazil was considered one of the best in the world,
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  Speaker 2: so everyone was watching Brazil.
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  Speaker 9: But the 1958 national team had some great players who
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  Speaker 9: were unbalanced.
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  Speaker 3: Was there a lot of pressure on you to win?
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  Speaker 2: Was winning something similar to what it is today? Or
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  Speaker 2: was it something else?
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 3: There was a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 9: The whole people knew that Brazil had players who were unbalanced,
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  Speaker 9: some genius players, and they trusted the national team.
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  Speaker 8: But they were worried.
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  Speaker 9: The last championship didn't go well. It was in the
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  Speaker 9: 50s too, that unhappiness. in Maracanã and it happened because.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Tafarel I think how do you see this
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  Speaker 2: because you go to 94 with that fast but the
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  Speaker 2: selection was already three and how do you imagine it
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  Speaker 2: must have been for Pepe and 588 man good pleasure
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  Speaker 2: to be here with.
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  Speaker 7: You very very very cool great day great day great
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  Speaker 7: space you have here look only those who are in
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  Speaker 7: here who feel.
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  Speaker 6: This aura is cool here.
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  Speaker 7: But talking to them, you see that football doesn't really change, right?
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  Speaker 7: Because the difficulties that we had in 94, they were
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  Speaker 7: there too. It's always the difficulty. It's not because you
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  Speaker 7: wear the national team jersey. Well, the problems are over.
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  Speaker 7: It seems that the problems come there. With responsibility, with
• 11:29
  Speaker 7: everything else. But that's why I think Brazil is still
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  Speaker 7: the country of football. That's why the players have to
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  Speaker 7: wear this jersey. They know they'll have pressure and difficulties.
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  Speaker 7: But there were five very important moments. This representation can't
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  Speaker 7: be forgotten. Our soccer must always be remembered. The players
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  Speaker 7: who wore the Brazilian national team jersey, we are just
• 12:06
  Speaker 7: some of the representatives, but there are so many others
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  Speaker 7: who wore the Brazilian national team jersey. Football is Brazilian,
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  Speaker 7: it has to be valued a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Pepe, what were the national teams in 1958 that were stronger?
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  Speaker 5: Who was considering being champion at that time? Was Brazil
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  Speaker 5: a surprise, a zebra? How was that moment?
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  Speaker 9: Brazil was considered a good football, but it was a surprise.
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  Speaker 8: In the World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: No one expected to win. What was the team that.
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  Speaker 3: Was stronger at that time?
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  Speaker 9: Argentina was always respected and feared. England too, a different
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  Speaker 9: type of football at that time, with a lot of scoring.
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  Speaker 2: They were these, Argentina and England. Exactly.
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  Speaker 9: So, Sweden, for being the team of 1958, the owner
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  Speaker 9: of the Cup, the home, also had to be respected.
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  Speaker 9: But when Brazil was in 1958 with Sweden, everyone breathed.
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  Speaker 8: It will happen. It will happen. It will happen, I understand.
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  Speaker 8: For you two, who are the.
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  Speaker 2: The first ones, right? They won the first and the
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  Speaker 2: second title there. How was it to be away from home,
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  Speaker 2: in another country, playing a championship of this size, without
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  Speaker 2: this digital era, without being able to talk to the family?
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: How was the longing? How was this experience of being
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  Speaker 2: in another place?
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  Speaker 10: I believe that we always had this experience, right? Of
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  Speaker 10: playing in a team that.
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  Speaker 10: They were always invited. So that's why we tried to
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  Speaker 10: do our best. How was it to talk to your
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  Speaker 10: family while you were playing the World Cup?
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  Speaker 3: How was it for you?
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  Speaker 2: Because nowadays people talk about longing, being far away, culture...
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  Speaker 2: But you traveled the world at a time when there
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  Speaker 2: was no.
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  Speaker 5: This whole technology.
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  Speaker 2: Did you miss your family more or was it.
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  Speaker 10: Something you didn't even think about? No, we always missed them.
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  Speaker 10: So we did everything to overcome this difficulty that existed.
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  Speaker 10: It was really great. But we had that... I don't know,
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  Speaker 10: it's already from Berso.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Yeah, from Berso.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody taught us. The World Cup takes the whole family.
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  Speaker 2: The family has already moved. From the grandchildren to everyone.
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  Speaker 4: Even the grandchildren's friends.
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  Speaker 1: From the grandchildren's friends to the grandchildren's friends, everyone is
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: already called.
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  Speaker 4: It's because Mega was talking about Santos. Santos traveled in
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  Speaker 4: the morning, in the afternoon and in the evening. He
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  Speaker 4: played outside. He lived more outside than inside.
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  Speaker 2: The guys used to call Santos a lot to.
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  Speaker 4: Play these games. They stayed out a lot more. I
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  Speaker 4: remember at the time.
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  Speaker 3: They were the pop stars of Brazil at that time?
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  Speaker 4: My God. I was unhappy to play there. It was Domval, Mengalva, Coutinho,
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  Speaker 4: Pelé and Pepe. Then came the others. Then came Edu,
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  Speaker 4: then came Toninho Guerreiro. Anyway, Santos was fantastic. It's a
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  Speaker 4: team that was... I think Santos was more close than Brazil.
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  Speaker 4: Santos was fantastic. That's why Mengalva was so used to
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: this aspect. And the excursion was good. It was the
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: same thing.
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  Speaker 8: It was the same thing.
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  Speaker 9: The excursion from January and February to America and from
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  Speaker 9: May and June to Europe.
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  Speaker 2: Did you like it, Pepe?
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  Speaker 8: Every year.
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  Speaker 2: Did you take a little wave?
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  Speaker 8: I liked it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you go to the beach?
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  Speaker 4: Galanzão, the way it was.
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  Speaker 10: Galanzinho.
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  Speaker 4: And you came on top of Stafani. In 1970 too.
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  Speaker 4: In 1970, I didn't talk to anyone. We didn't talk,
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  Speaker 4: there was nothing. There was no telephone. No, there was
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  Speaker 4: a telephone. We talked, I talked, because we stayed in Guadalajara.
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  Speaker 4: We were happy because we stayed until the semifinal in Guadalajara.
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  Speaker 4: We left Guadalajara to play the final in the city
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  Speaker 4: of Mexico. The head of the delegation, Geronimo Basso, came
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  Speaker 4: to the president and wanted to talk to us after
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  Speaker 4: the game. Congratulations, he just congratulated us for the game,
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  Speaker 4: thank God. So I talked to the president until the semifinal.
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  Speaker 2: The president of the country.
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  Speaker 4: He was the one who talked, he called me. He
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  Speaker 4: called me and I talked to him until the semifinal. Imagine,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: you're playing the World Cup in.
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  Speaker 2: Mexico, you finish the game and the guy says, call Rivenino,
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  Speaker 2: I want to organize today's game. Not just me, but
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: many other players. It was very cool.
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  Speaker 6: So the two.
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  Speaker 4: Handsome guys here were pop stars, stars. I used to
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: talk about Santos FC. First of all, Santos FC stopped
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: the war. With Pelé, right? They were at war, man.
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  Speaker 2: What do you feel that, at that time, Santos had
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  Speaker 2: to be different to have as many talents as you two?
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  Speaker 10: I was deceiving him. Lula was deceiving Mengálvio a lot.
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  Speaker 1: He was deceiving him a lot. So, Flávio, you went
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: to school, Mengálvio.
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  Speaker 3: There are many deceiving people today.
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  Speaker 8: Mengálvio was not deceiving at all.
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  Speaker 9: It's also the coach's message. I was very questioned. Lula,
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  Speaker 9: when he used to talk about some little things, but
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: he had a very good vision. So he brought Mengálvio, Coutinho, Pelé.
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: They could have gone to other clubs.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: Claudio Aldo, etc.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: So, it seemed that the good guys from that time
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: were only in Santos.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: They were born down there. So, most of them were
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: born there. They came because Santos was always a great help.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: He always created great players. Pelé was the guy who
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: went to get Zito. He was Zito. Zito went there
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and brought Pelé. Isn't that right?
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Zito.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So, there's Edu. Edu was from Jaú. He came to Santos.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Clodoaldo was from Lagoa.
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: Santos had good eyes.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: It's impressive. Santos always had this quality of great players.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: So, at that time, saying that Santos FC was the
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: football was not an exaggeration?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: No, on the contrary. You have to say even more.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I like that, Vini. I like that. It's impressive.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: We need to value history.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Because you see Santos, you see football, anyway. It was competitive,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: then Santos finished and you did it. He didn't want
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: to know if he took two, three. He did five, six.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: That was the truth. If I was lying, I would say...
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: How much was it? 5% to 3%? Today, people are
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: afraid to play, right? To complement Rodrigo, we.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Had a game against Palmeiras, 7-6.
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: We won 7-6 against Palmeiras, in Pacaembu.
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: A great game.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: 7-6.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: Was the game caught at that time? Was there a fight?
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: We let them play, but.
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: At the right time, at the difficult time, they came together.
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: This 7x6 was a historic game. 2x2 with 20 minutes
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: of play. Palmeiras did.
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: In fact, Santos FC scored 5-2. They were paying for it,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: but they weren't paying.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: They were already receiving it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: They were paying for it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 10: 5-2.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Palmeiras made two changes and turned it to 6-5. Your
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: friend here scored two more.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: 7-6.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: 7-6.
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: The good lingoists say that three people would have died
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: in this match.
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: Two on the stadium and one on the TV. From
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: the heart.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: That's very good, man. Very good.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I think being able to be.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Here today listening to you guys telling these stories, for me,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: is just contemplating, because I'm a big fan. So, Mengálvio,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you were there, you went to play the 62 Cup,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and there was a guy called Didi. What can we
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: say about Didi, man? Did this guy play a ball,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: or did he cheat like you? I was the one
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: who didn't play the ball.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Stop it!
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: That's humble, isn't it?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: You were there by luck, Wengal?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Didi was awesome.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Impressive. In Brazil, there have always been great players.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Not just one, but many.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Many good players. That's a nice.
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: Question, because today... Not only today, but as football has.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Been modernizing, people have been saying, like, we need this star,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: this guy, this person.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And football, in my opinion, has always been much more collective.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Do you think otherwise? Or do you still opt for
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the collective? Because you guys are crazy, out of the box.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But Pep was saying here, in the 58 team there
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: were so many crazy numbers. In the 62 team too.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Do you think football is still more collective?
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I think the importance is the collective. But within the
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: collective you have the individual, which makes the difference. So,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: in 1958 and 1962, the same team was formed, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the players were different. The team was strong, but you
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: had Garriga, who was good at catching the ball, Pelé,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: who was good at catching the ball, Vavá, who was
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: good at catching the ball, Enzo, Didi, who was good
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: at catching the ball. You had this quality within the team,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: because the team has to be strong. the goal in 70,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the last goal against Brazil, against Italy, if you remember,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: eight players from Brazil touched the ball, which ended with
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: the goal of Carlinhos, Carlos Alberto, all.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: What a goal!
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I think God said, you deserve this last goal, for
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: what you did inside a cup, because it was a
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: fantastic goal, a wonderful goal, Tucho almost every team participated.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And this national team had five Tucho's T-shirts?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Four.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Four?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Tucho was number eight at Cruzeiro, because whoever was number
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: 10 was from São Paulo, but Tucho should have been
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: number 10. He had the quality to be. No, Tucho
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: should have been number 10, but he had. But what
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I mean is this, he was strong, but individually, You
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: had to make a difference. If the game was bad,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Pelé wouldn't even talk. I wouldn't even talk to Pelé.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I would put Pelé out because it was difficult. Then
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: suddenly Jairzinho was in the moment. Suddenly it was 1-0.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: 1-0 already changes the game. But how did you manage to.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Get together there, having so many players? It was the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: work of 1968.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Because nowadays we see teams, I don't know.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: The Galactic, teams with many stars, usually don't work.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: But it will have a little vanity, right? The important
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: thing is to understand the field. Tomorrow I don't need
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: to have lunch with you or go out with you
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: to have a beer in the car. But in the
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: field I will do everything for us to win, for
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: us to be partners. It doesn't matter if I'm the 10th?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. If you have quality, it's.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Even if you say you're almost 5th or 10th. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: today we don't have one, right? But we had 5
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: or 10 there and they played. I had the quality
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: to score a foul. It was a foul against Czechoslovakia.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: A good point for me to score. Pelé gave the ball.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I said, if he comes to me and says, Riva,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to hit you. I said, hey, hit you,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: of course. He said, no, I'm going to fight Pelé.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But Pelé was this guy.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: No, he was fantastic.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: He came and said, Riva, don't worry, I'm going to
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: hit you. I said, thank you, Riva. Because he knew
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: that my moment for that ball, theoretically, was my moment.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And did you still call him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: A king while he was playing?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Always a king, of course.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: And he never asked for the ball from me. He
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: wasn't that guy who said, Riva, look at me. Like
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you said, Fominha, right?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Give me the ball.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I would give the ball if I thought I would
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: give it to him. Of course, he had a play
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: that he threatened, I knew. But he didn't have the
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: obligation to give the ball to me. He should have
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the obligation to give the ball to him all the time,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: but that wasn't it. It was fantastic. I've never seen
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: this man complain about anything in my life. This man
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: was fantastic. I talk a lot about him because... You
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: have to talk more. I think I should talk about
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: all the sports programs. All of them. One minute of Pelé.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Just one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Every day.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Every day. Start the program already talking. He scored a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: thousand and a few goals. That's it. A minute Pelé.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: A minute Pelé.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: A minute Pelé.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: A minute Pelé.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: A minute Pelé.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: A minute Pelé.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: A minute Pelé. A minute Pelé. A minute Pelé. A
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: minute Pelé. A minute Pelé.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: It's not because he was Pelé.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It's not because he was Pelé that I had to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: hit all the fouls, all the corners, all the sides.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I know my role. I know how important I am.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But I also know how important you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Are to me. That makes all the difference.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: That makes the difference. One respects the space of the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: other in the field. Because the field is a division
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of space. And without vanity. And without vanity, man. Don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: go there. Just let me hit the corner. Hit you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or miss. This, maybe, is missing a little today. Exactly
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in football. This humility to recognize the moment... that person
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: or the moment that is his moment and each one
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this will not make him bigger.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: Or smaller contribution to the team that's it I have
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: to give it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Here exact my contribution there.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: Ready to drink there in front of us we knew
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: that the raio was.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: The 10 and there was that he didn't take it
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and put the wine let's run.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: To the guys let's leave it there but imagine.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: If the raio makes a troubled environment because.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You have to know that Zinho was better, you know?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But what was that?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Was it the collective, was it the coach who made
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: the team.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Be like that? The coach. The coach. The coach pushed
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: firmly to assume the responsibility to make the change and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: hold it. Bronco said, look, I'm making the change because
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I'm making this change and I'm going to bring benefits
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to the team. I know the team can improve. He's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: not going to make the change for the simple fact
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of changing and say, I didn't go with your face,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to change you.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Guys, nowadays when
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: we see that there is a star in the team,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about the national team. The
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: star kind of sends it to the team. The guy
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: hires the guy to play with him, I want the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: coach and such. It kind of got lost. In the past,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Pelé didn't send it to the team, right? Who sent
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: it was the coach, from what I'm seeing what you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Were talking about. Pepe can talk, he played with him,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know when, he, Mengão. Santos was one more.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: He wanted to be one more. He wanted to be
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: one more. It's not because he was Pelé. I think
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: it's important to have a commission to hire this or that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: If you hire the wrong one, it's different. But if
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: you hire my friend to play, it doesn't exist. For me,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: it doesn't exist. That's why football, sometimes, You say, football
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: is having a hard time creating. The last crack we created, differentiated,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: was Neymar, 16 years ago. There's no other, differentiated. Santos
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: was always a creator that we talked about. How long
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: hasn't he created? The last one was Neymar. 16 years ago,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: both Corinthians and São Paulo.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Why do you believe that Neymar doesn't appear anymore? Do
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you think it's a matter of information?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: What I think, nothing against the people who take care
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: of the base. I think you can't take a 12-year-old
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: boy and tell him that he has to score, he
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: has to play. He has to be happy. Our DNA
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: has always been creative. Tomorrow, let him play. Because today,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: the guy who takes care of the base goes with
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: a tactical book under his arm, the boy bent his neck,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: you can't bend it. A 12, 13 year old boy,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: he touches the back, touches the side, touches the... Wait
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: a minute. Let him have fun, you go. This boy
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: will dribble, you know when?
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: Never.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Never. He won't dribble.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: The man hit him.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: You have to touch the back, touch the side. The
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: coach that... Practically, the coach that makes the boy play.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Were you encouraged to dribble? No, no one complained when
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I dribbled. On the contrary. Tomorrow, I had a characteristic.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: When I tried my dribble, I would go up and
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: dribble to make my play. Sometimes I would lose, but
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: it wasn't all the time that I would dribble and
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: it would work. But I've never had a terrible training session,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: you can't dribble.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You had confidence to dribble.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: But of course, and tomorrow I'll say, so you're going
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: to play and I'm out. So you're going to play.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Because I don't accept a coach from outside. I'm a
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: guy who thinks a little about the game. If I
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: think he's going to score, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid. If I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: he's going to play short, I'm afraid.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: If I think he's going to play short, I'm afraid.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: If I think he's going to play short, I'm afraid.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: If I think he's going to play short, I'm afraid.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: If Why don't the basic categories form athletes today? Because
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: they are forming competitors. They are not forming athletes. There
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is no time for you to form athletes. There is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: no time for you to do a job... They are
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: forming numbers, right? Exactly. I'm going to do a basic
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: job here for four years. During these four years, I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: going to bring the boy, I'm going to train, I'm
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: going to make the boy adapt, I'm going to work
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: on him. And in four years, I'm going to have
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a great athlete.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: No.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: The basic categories today, they prepare the team to win
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the championship. Because if you don't win the Baseball Championship,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the coach is sent away. That's why they take those
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: strong guys, the more technical guys suddenly have no more space.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: They are competitors. they are competitive, they are not professional athletes.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: There's no time for you to train the athletes in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the base categories. Based on that, I'll go to the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: second one that Riva said is true. For God's sake,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the scout can't tell me that I have to hit
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: more with the right or more with the left. The
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: scout can't tell me if I have to dribble, if
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I have to throw. The scouts can't tell me if
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I have to give a short ball or a long ball.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: This is inside the field. This is normal.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Situations live, right?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: The situation and the decision, the decision inside the field,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the decision making inside.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: The field, man, it's mine.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Where does the coach go?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: The coach will scale the team and give the tactical
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: base inside the field. Now, the creation inside the field,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the performance of this inside the field, it's ours.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's ours.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: The coach won't tell me, Cafu, go to the bottom
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: line and lay the body to cross.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: He won't, man.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: When you get to the back line, you see who's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: in the best position. No, it's me. I know if
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I have to go to the back line, I know
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: if I have to go back, I know if I
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: have to score. I know when I have to dribble.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: When the guys are going to cross today, it looks
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: like they just hang the ball.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Because there's no one.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: In the area. They get rid of the ball.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: And you know what else happens when I fall on
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: top of the creation? Because I like the base a lot.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: The thing is that today they want a player.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Who runs, right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: This one ran 14 km.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: But what did he produce? Zero. Now, the guy who weighs...
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: It happens that the talent... Normally, the player who is
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: differentiated is kind of lazy. It's not running, he wants
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the ball to play. Like number 10. Yes, like that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: So we like to give the ball to play, all right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: But the next step... But this boy, can I get him,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: prepare him physically? So he can play and run a
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: little more. I don't put my talent in the other's head.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: You don't teach him.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: He only runs. Perfect.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: If you're talented, come here, dear. You'll be training physically
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: for a month, because you'll earn more and you'll do better.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: If we take the last two natural football talents for me,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Neymar and Messi.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Cristiano Ronaldo too, but I think he was preparing a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: lot more. I think the most talented are Messi and Neymar.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: They are two that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: They.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't play today because... Ah, because Neymar was franzino. Remember
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: that his shirt was almost on the ankle. Messi was
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: this size. How many times did they tell Messi that
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: he didn't have the size, that he didn't have height,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that he wouldn't get there, that he had to supplement.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So if we don't give strength to these players, these athletes,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: even when they are small, To get to the professional level,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: there won't be any more Messi or Neymar. There won't be.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: We're going to make him the ball operator. The guy
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: who's going to run like hell, but as Rivelino said,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: he won't produce.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: In the past, you could still do that. Today, in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: today's football, no. In the basic categories today, hardly the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: basic categories will take an athlete and do this work
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: so that he can develop, grow, adapt. and reach the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: level we want him to reach. Today, there's no time.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And it's not just A, B or C teams. It's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: all teams. All teams are creating players. They're not creating athletes,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: they're creating competitors. So you take away the technical quality
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of the player. And our DNA, right?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Our DNA. What was our DNA?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It was dribbling, it was from the pen, it was
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: from the hat.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: It was... It was happy.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It was happy. If there's no Ronaldinho, Rivaldo.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And Ronaldo don't win.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: It has to be different. It has to be, man.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: We've always had a differential. Brazilian football has always had
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a differential. For a few years, they invented the Tic-Toc football. Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Then you take the ball possession of the team. 70%
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: ball possession, cool. How many shots in the goal?
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: None.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: 30% of the ball possession of who? He threw it back.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: You didn't produce it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Imagine if the Brazilian team from 2002 was similar to Germany.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: We won precisely because we had the differential.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly, we played up. In three touches, we got to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the goal. In eight passes, Brazil scored 70. In 2002,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: we scored the second goal of the final in four touches.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Roque Júnior, me, Cleberson, back line, goal.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: In four touches.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: What a beautiful thing. Pep, I want to ask you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: At that time, did you create dribbles?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: How did it work?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Did you create it? Like, I'm going to invent this
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: dribble here, how did it work? You didn't have to copy,
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: you had to create it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: Yes, you created the things.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: The coach gave his training, the coach, the collective and such,
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: but it was not to invent, it was Lula who
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: won many titles. In the field, we were the ones
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: who had to solve it. Me with my kick and
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: Pelé with his incredible ability.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: Coltinho, Mengão.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Pagão, Pagão.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: Pagão before... Before Coltinho. But when you were 62, Pelé
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: got injured. Was it a hit in the locker room
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: or was it something like, we hold the ends? No,
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: it was.
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: Of course we were worried, but most of them, the
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: most experienced players, even, we thought it was going to
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: happen without him.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: So, Nilton Santos, etc. Djalma Santos was also the rat.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: And a boy entered Pelé' s place and it was fantastic too.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: He decided, he scored, he played. Because in the past
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: there was this quality. Although Pelé is difficult to catch
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: another player, But you had a yellow shirt, not the
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: white one, but it played a barbarity.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Did you feel the pressure to wear the Brazilian national
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: team shirt? Because I see that sometimes there are great
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: players who do very well, but wearing the yellow one
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: is different.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: No, first of all, it's a pleasure. Me, thank God,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I wore the uniform, I think it's record. But I
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: spent almost 10 years in a national team, I wore
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: the national team shirt 123 times.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: A 10, right? 10 is for the king, 10 is eternal.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: But today I say something that I don't accept, because
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: first I want to be a professional, I'm going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: play in the club to serve a Brazilian national team.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: What I do in the club, if they call me,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: is what I do in the club, for my football.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: In the National Team, I'll do the same thing. The
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: ball goes on my foot, I'll do what I know
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: how to do. I won't make it up. That's why
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: sometimes I say, sometimes I don't accept it. Sometimes a
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: player plays in your club, nowadays, but in the National
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Team he can't play the same football.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I say, but why?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: The ball, when it's on his foot, what he does
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: in your club, he'll do in the National Team. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: sometimes he can't, I don't understand. Of course.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Why do you think he can't?
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's the head of each one, right?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Because I don't understand. I don't understand, no. It's the
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: head of.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know. It could be. You feel it a little.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Bit, right?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: It could be.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: The pressure.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: You feel the pressure.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You feel the pressure.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: You're not with your teammates there that you're used to
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: playing with. You get a little bit intimidated.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Taffarel, in 1994, when you're going to play the World Cup,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Brazil also comes from a same fast, right? From 24
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: years old. Imagine the pressure it was. Too much. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you are a guy who was there in 1994 and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: today is in the national team in 1926.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: What do you say to these athletes?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Because you can't say that there is no pressure, because
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: it's the biggest national team, we want to win at
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: all costs, the Brazilian with second place is not happy.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So what can you say about that? Because that's what
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: we're talking.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: About, right?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Is there a pressure to wear the shirt today? Because
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: we come from 24 years without.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: That's exactly.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: What happened in 1994, right? It can happen now too.
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: From one time to the next, things change. What spirit
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: did you have to embody?
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: Union.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: That's the first thing. It's a group.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: If we're in this situation, we're together. If it's to win,
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: if it's to lose, but let's do our best.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: And how was the media? What were people talking about
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: in the national team?
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: We closed so much that you didn't have a newspaper,
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: you didn't have a newscast.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: No one would hear anything from outside.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: They would ask us not to talk to the family.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: They would say, oh, that guy said that. Is that
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: possible nowadays?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: No, it's not possible.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: Nowadays, it's the time. The coach goes out, takes the
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: phone and... But the confidence existed to win. Of course.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: When we arrived in the United States, we left here
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: very disillusioned, eliminations, last match, qualified.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: But when he got there, started training, played his first game,
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: you know when he started, he made a league.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: And this is my.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Great hope for 2026, to make this league. Because we
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: have potential. We have players, we have a group, we
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: have a good coach. I mean, things will work out,
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: but you have to believe, you have to focus.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Determination. These are words that we always repeat, but they
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: have to exist.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Discipline, commitment. An important fact, in 1994, we trained the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: main team. We trained the main team. We trained to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: train them. Because we knew who the starters were.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So, there, you kind of didn't train to be the starters. No,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we're going to train for the starters to get right
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: into the game. To get right into the game. Because
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the worst thing is that we had this conscience. We had.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: We had. All of us who were in reserve, we
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: had this conscience. And we said, if we train and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: train hard, we're going to train these guys hard. That's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: why they weren't afraid of putting you in the final.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Because I was prepared. I prepared myself and we prepared.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Everyone was ready for the opportunity when it came. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: there was no vanity. I tell everyone, I'm not ashamed
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to say that I was the reserve of Jorginho. What
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I learned from Jorginho in 94 was impressive.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And it came your.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Time in 2002.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And it came my time, I was there, I waited calmly,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I trained 32 days. When Parreira said at the end, Cafu,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: are you going to enter? I said, professor, I'm ready.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I'm ready because I'm training the guys. I can see
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Their biggest opponent was us. Because everyone
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: was on the same level.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Van Peeten said that in 2002.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But there was not a drop of vanity. We trained Feliz,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: we trained Lega. People said, let's run, let's run.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I asked Van Peeten, what was the hardest game of 2002?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He said, the trainings.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: The trainings?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: He said, train in a team that had me, Edilson, Kaká.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Everyone was hungry.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Everyone was a million, Luizão. I said, it's hard as hell.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Then he said that once, Felipão said that Ronaldo was.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: He was like Riveirinho, he said, you know what's good, right?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: He was calmer. Then he said, go Luizão, warm up,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you're going to go to Ronaldo's place in the training,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: you're in the starter. Then Luizão was happy, then Vampe...
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It's just to.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Motivate the fat. Don't be happy. Don't be happy. It's
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: just to motivate... But on top of that, Cavu said that...
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: In the 70s, I had the chance to play, but
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: on the first day of work, I played a training match.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Team A against Team B. With Maracanã, Porto Isabel, it
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: was all free to watch the national team. And everyone
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: was cheering for who? For the weakest, right? Theoretically, they
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: cheered for.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It's more cool, it's reserved.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: And we got to the field, look, don't be ashamed here, right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Then Corró, Corró was down, I said, Corró, what's up?
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: To leave with Pelé, I'll score. I get to him,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: there's no problem. Then we put five in the main team,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Pelé buffed. We said, let's go, let's go. That's it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Because we also prepared and prepared them.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: So the biggest difficulty of the 70 was also the training,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I imagine.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: No, it was... Pau ate. Pau ate? Pau ate in
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: a good way.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm understanding.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: No one will come in for more... You didn't even
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: relieve Pelé?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: But they came together, right? It was strong, right?
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: It's crazy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Then Corrôa was a partner, I already knew, Corrôa would
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: come to him, right?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And in 70, which has a very peculiar thing of
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: our selection in 70, is that we, for the first time,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: take a physical trainer, right?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: And I think no one had that. Was that decisive?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: How was it?
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: He was always prepared.
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: Always?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Always.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: He was always prepared. He was always prepared.
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: He was always prepared.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Did you feel that this was a differential of the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Brazilian team? Because people used to say that the Brazilian
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: team was much better.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: It happened in the 70s. In the 70s, it was
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: a quartel. Because it was all from the 2-0. It
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: was the Chirol who commanded. It was Coutinho who came
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: with the cup test that he brought. It was the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Carlesco and more. There were four.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Just to prepare.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Even though we did a wonderful preparation. So much so
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: that we went to Guanajuato in 1970, which was higher
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: than the city of Mexico. We ran with our hearts
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: in our mouths. So that team was... You can see
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: that all the second half of Brazil we were always superior,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: we always played better. We were very well prepared physically.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: They did a physical preparation. Because this team came from 1968.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: It was my first trip with the Brazilian national team.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: It was a beautiful group. Pelé didn't travel with us.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: He traveled with Santos to play. We didn't go to
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: the national team. So we went to the national team.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: It was an elimination. The elimination was a reserve. Saldanha
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: was the coach. Saldanha liked to play with two points.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Edu and Jair. Edu was the best left-footer in the elimination.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Edu was the biggest left-footer I've ever seen play in
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: my life. Pepe is a game characteristic. Pepe was the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: cannon of the town. Edu was a very good partner,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: a very good friend. Wherever Edu was, I was with him.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Then Saldanha left and Zagallo came in. Zagallo's presentation. I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: sitting and Edu is here. He called me Orelha. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: called him Zé Bundinha, because he had a butt. Say
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Zé Bundinha. And he said to me, I don't play
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: anymore in the national team. He said, I don't play
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: anymore in the national team. And I said, you're an idiot,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: you don't understand. He said to me, the scheme will
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: kill me. No, and he killed, you know who went
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: to play in his place? I went to play in
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: his place. And sometimes I'm playing and I look at
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: him and Paulo César Caju.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm playing, right?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I say, what am I doing here, right? Theoretically, of
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: course I wanted to play.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: But very cool. Very cool, man. Very cool. And I
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask Pepe and Mengálvio. This physical part of Pelé,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: because they said he was way above the other athletes.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Was it something genetic? Or did he train more than
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the other athletes? I think it was something genetic. He
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: was born with it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: Do you remember him training? He liked to train, he
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: trained a lot. Especially physical, because the players don't like
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: it that much. Did you like to train?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: I liked to hit the ball.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: It was incredible.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: He was the first to enter the field and the
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: last to leave. He was the first in the line.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: We went back there and he said, this man doesn't
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: get tired. You can't tell him, come to us today.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: It was impressive.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't stop, you can't stop either.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I would go into his room and he was
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: doing the abdominal. I said, hey, what is this?
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Stop!
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: It was impressive. Although he was well endowed, his genetics
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: were fantastic, but he also prepared himself. Because he knew
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: that he was there, right? He couldn't take it. You
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: couldn't see him fall.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: It was hard for him to fall. Watching Pelé' s moves,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: no one jumped like he did. He had a conscience
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: to dominate.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: God was very generous to Pelé. God gave him everything.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Everything is for you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Riva, how old was Edu when he went to the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: national team?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: 16.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: 16 years old, right?
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: In 1966.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: In 1966.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And he already had the responsibility to go to a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Brazilian national team when he was 16 years old, right?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: 16 years old.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: How old was Pelé when he won the cup?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: How old was Messi when.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He played his first game? 17 or 18, something like that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Is there a space for youth to have responsibilities within
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the national team? Because, in my opinion, youth has always
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: been the differential. If we don't have Ronaldinho in two,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you know? If we don't even have you in 94,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Ronaldo who didn't play but was there. And... Eu não
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: gosto desse papo quando exclui a juventude. Ah, não tá pronto.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Eu acho que é momento de ter que jogar, mas
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: eu queria ouvir de vocês. Há espaço pra juventude?
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Deixa eu te fazer uma pergunta. Como é que você
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: sabe se eu tô pronto ou não?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Você não testou, né?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Quem sabe se eu tô pronto ou não? A única
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: pessoa que sabe se eu tô pronto ou não sou eu.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: As outras pessoas não podem saber por mim se eu
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: tô pronto ou não. E nem podem opinar por mim
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: se eu tô pronto ou não, se eu tenho capacidade
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: ou não de ir pra uma seleção brasileira. Se eu
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: tenho capacidade ou não de assumir uma responsabilidade. Responsabilidade é
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: minha e eu sei se eu tô pronto ou não.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You can't say that someone is not ready because he's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: too young. Who's too young? Yamal was champion with Spain,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: how old was he? Pelé was champion with Brazil, how
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: old was he? Edu was champion with the national team,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: how old was he? Denilson was champion of the world
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in 2002, how old was he? The first time you.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Went to the national team, how old were you?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I was 23. Ronaldo was champion in 1994, how old
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: were you?
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: 18.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I was there. If I put it to play, it
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: would be ready.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: You, as an experienced guy, wouldn't bother with a novice coming?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: On the contrary, it would be very welcome.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: It will relieve you.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Because maybe this novice can solve my problem.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Even above that, the goalkeeper. The goalkeeper is impressive.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Poor goalkeeper.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: The goalkeeper is 18, 19 years old. He's talented.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: No, he's not.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: No, he's talented. It's a moral thing to say.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Applause for our goalkeeper!
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: It's Tafarel!
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: That's because you didn't see Tafarel's socks.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Look at his socks.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: It's your Tafarel. Now, I want to say this. Sometimes
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: the goalkeeper has 18 years old Tafarel.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: He's talented. No, he's new.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: He can't play.
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: For him to have experience.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: He's going to play for 30 years, damn it! At
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: the end of his career... 16 was a year! 16
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: was a year!
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow you have skills, it's good that you have to
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: put it to play.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Ah, no, it's new, Tafari, I'll wait another 2, 3
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: years in the reserve. What to expect? But there is
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: a goalkeeper, I don't know if it happened to you. Impressive!
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: When was your first call? How old were you? I
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: started playing at 18 years.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Old, at Internacional.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: I lived in the countryside, I took a test, I
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: approved it, I started when I was 18 years old,
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: and when I was 19 years old, Douto Menezes, the coach,
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: had a reserve green card. I was the third scorer,
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: I played for the juniors and trained as a professional
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: as a third.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: He said to me, I want you to play.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Are you ready?
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: Wow, a green card.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Ready, right?
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Honestly, I didn't know if I was ready.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: But the answer was in your tongue.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: No, I'm ready.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: But deep down I thought, is this my moment?
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: But I went with everything.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: I didn't do anything extraordinary in the game, but he said,
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: you're going to keep playing. And from there, I kept playing.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: Of course, there were some mistakes. because it's normal, it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: your youth. But you have a coach who trusts you,
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: who knows that it doesn't matter if you make a
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: mistake once and you're out.
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: This is something that happens a lot in Brazil.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: This is the big problem here with the goalkeeper, with
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: the youth.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: You make mistakes and it's normal in this sport. You're
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: going to make more mistakes.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: You're going to lose a lot more than you make.
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: The great champions make mistakes too. But why can't you
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: make mistakes with young players? Because if you make mistakes...
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: It's too new.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. On the other hand, the goalkeeper
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: makes mistakes once. The goalkeeper can't make mistakes. Now, if
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: the center-back comes in two or three times in the
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: face of the goal and throws the ball out, no
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: one talks. No one complains that the center-back made a mistake. Theoretically.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: The charge on top of the goalkeeper was impressive. Any foul,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: the goalkeeper was the one to blame. But the other one,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: who scored twice, could have won the game, but he missed. Tavarel,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: when did you get called to the National Team?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: What age?
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: When I started in junior high school, I went to
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: the National.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Team, then I joined the Pan American Team, the Olympic Team,
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: but I think I was there in 1989. I started
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: playing in the Copa América in 1979. So you were
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: already in the Copa América.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Copa América, eliminations for the Copa de 90.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: Did you have that with you too? Were you too young?
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: Yes, of course. At the beginning I was quite young.
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: But as time went by, I said to myself, I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: very good. I thought I was good.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I'm confident.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: They gave me confidence, so let's go.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Taffarel, in 1994, Before we talk about the final, I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to know how it was to play this cup,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: because it seemed to me, watching the games, that it
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: was a difficult climate to play the ball. It was hot.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It was very hot.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And how was that? The preparation to play in such
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: a hot environment?
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: So much so that in the final itself, you can
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: see that Italy is dead. And even to hit the penalties,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: it seems that Bárez, or Bádio himself, loses the penalty
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: because he has a heavy leg.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was 40 degrees.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: At the time of the Super Bowl, I weighed my
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: legs for everyone.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: Even for me, as a goalkeeper, I got a little
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: nervous at that moment. But the heat was very strong.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: But I think that we, Brazilians, have a certain advantage
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: because we know how to play in the heat.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: The Europeans... The Europeans play.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: The Europeans give 20 degrees and the guys are already dying.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: I've never seen that.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Even because the European Championship, in the summer, they stop.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: They stop.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: They don't play in the summer. Here we play in
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: the summer.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: August, July, August, they stop the championship because it's very hot.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And July, August is when the championship is going on.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: And this cup will be warmer, right?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: It will be.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Maybe like this... Because we play at one in the afternoon.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: The heat is.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: It was impressive. It was midday.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: I think they'll change something this next World Cup. Did
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: you train a lot for the penalty, Tafarel?
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Or was it something more intuitive?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: When I say train, of course you trained, but when
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I say study, Massaro will come and he will be there.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: When you go to the World Cup, you finish after training,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: do the charges, more or less define who the collectors
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: are and everything else, and we.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: End up training there.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: We didn't have a lot of information, which is what
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: we have today. Today, if you play against Spain, you
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: already know who their strikers are, how many penalties they scored,
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: how many times they were on the right side, how
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: many times they were on the left side.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: We have a lot of information. I think it's too much,
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: because it takes that thing from the goalkeeper.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: It takes intuition? Intuition.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: So what was it like at that time?
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: It was like you looking at the guy, how he
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: frames the ball, how he positions his body.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Did you see the guy shitting when he was about
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to score?
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: No, no, I caught it like this, it was impressive.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: The guy would put the ball and he would look
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: at that corner and say, this guy wants to fool me,
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: he's going to hit there, right?
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: He would go there.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And get it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: And you would do the wrong thing, right? No, no, no.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: You're going to make a mistake.
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: I used that time to go to the goal. And
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: to try to get something out of him. For him
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: to tell me something about his body, his position, his
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: body shape.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: I was looking for that time for that. To get
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: the concentration out of him.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: I see that as the years go by, the World
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: Cups are getting more even.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And lately there have been a lot of decisions for penalties,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: which weren't that many. Knowing that there are more and
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: more draws, more and more penalties, would you call a
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: specific goalkeeper for penalties?
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think so.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: No, because I think the goalkeeper today has to be
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: prepared for this kind of situation. You can't have a
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: goalkeeper for penalties, one to defend the ball to the left,
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: one to the right, one to get out of the goal.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: The goalkeeper has to be complete, right?
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: You know, in Brazil it doesn't work like that. There
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: are things that can work in other places, but in
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: Brazil it doesn't work. I think it's about trusting the goalkeeper,
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: working a lot, the scorers, and as you said, there
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: will be more and more penalty calls. We have a
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: study now in the National Team, and it started to train.
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: Because before, what did we do? We finished the training...
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: We hit the penalty. Who wants to hit the penalty?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Who wants to hit?
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Who wants to train?
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: Not now, now Tchelotti put a little thing there. The
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: training today will be a tactical, will make a little
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: game reduced, at the end, penalty training. Divide all the players,
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: make two teams, two teams.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: As if it were a penalty dispute.
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: Each one stays on one side, each one stays on
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: one side, hugged there, vibrating and stuff, and dispute. You know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: to start putting this thing of concentration. Even if it's training,
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: but not that relaxed thing, ah, I'm going to hit.
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: No, but to.
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: Stimulate this thing of really concentrating for that moment there.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: Because it's a very difficult moment, man.
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: Look, it was difficult for me in 94, the first
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: two penalties I started jumping like this, without waiting, without reading,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: without anything, because I was nervous. I said, anxious because
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: I wanted to help. But I was getting in the way.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: And then the third penalty from Massaro, I thought, man,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: I'm going to be a little calmer, I'm going to wait.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: Man, it looked like.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: A joke, that ball came over me because I just
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: waited a little. To see that this moves a lot
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: with the.
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: Players' heads.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You needed a minute of calm.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: Márcio Santos, in our training, missed a penalty. 100% of
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: the time.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: The only player who never.
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: Missed a penalty in this training. He goes to the
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: World Cup and gets a penalty.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: First hitter.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: You can see that this moves a lot.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: He was nervous, he said he was very nervous.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Did he say it?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: No, he said it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know, no, no.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: No, but obviously yes.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: It's not his profile, man.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: It's not his profile.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: It's not his profile.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: It's because he moves a lot.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: I saw the face of our players when he left midfield.
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: All that walk to get the ball, put it, man,
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: and hit a penalty. Have you ever met Bádio? I
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: didn't meet him, no. Like that, by messages, things, but....
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Because I'm sure he's having dinner with his family today.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: And he's like.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: And then he.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: Gives some interviews where he says that that was a
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: shock in his life. And then it changed his whole life.
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: He's always remembered for that.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: And he was a striker.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: He was a striker.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: Like Márcio Santos.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: But Baggio was a striker.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: For the team. He played for the national team. It's Galo,
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: isn't it?
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: Galo.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Zico used to score 10 goals and score 11. In 1986...
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: In the normal game, he lost the penalty.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Then he got the penalty.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: But they crucified Zico because of that, right? Yeah, but
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: it's like Barça. Barça also thinks that....
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's fire, isn't it?
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't like to kick the ball, I didn't know
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: how to do it. If there was a barrier between
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: the ball and the ball, I would kick it all.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: You like difficulties, don't you? I didn't like it, I
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: didn't like it. The goal was already at that time,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the goalkeepers weren't as big as they are today. But
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: it was... I said, it looks like... I said, but
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: it's not possible. Maybe I don't get it right. It
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: looks like a difficulty. It's a difficulty, really. Because the
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: grace of our time, There wasn't much. The penalty didn't hit.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I was playing against Poland in Morumbi. There was a
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: penalty and I was the captain. Then they said, no,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: don't hit. The guys were mad at me. I said,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: son of a bitch. I took the ball and said,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to hit this shit. I'm going to hit,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: you can leave it. Then I took the ball and...
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: I put it there, I'll give it a shot, I
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: didn't give it a shot, it went in, the guys
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: came to hug me, no, no one hugged me.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: You wanted to fool me, look what's up.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I'm doing it on purpose.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: Pepe, Menga, did you like to hit penalties?
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: This is me.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Me, me, no.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: No, you didn't like it?
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: I was the hitter.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Of the Santos penalty.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I'm out, I'm out. What did you like, Menga?
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: Hit, foul, out of the area.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I was responsible for the penalties. I learned a lot
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: from Jajá and Rosa Pinto.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: I didn't want to score penalties.
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: I was the one responsible for the penalties.
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: I learned a lot from Jajá, from Rosa Pinto.
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: I didn't want to score penalties.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: But you didn't run away from responsibility.
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: No, I didn't run away. I was the penalty kicker
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: for Santos.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But Pepe, did you train to score penalties?
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: Pele created a stop and started to score.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Was Pele the one who created the stop?
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: Yes, it was Pele.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Pep, did you practice to score a penalty? Did you
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: practice to score a penalty?
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: The goalkeepers didn't like it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It was an ignorance.
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: He didn't shoot weakly.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: And the ball was heavier in the past, right? The
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: ball is different.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: You used to practice penalties every day, Pepe? How many
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: penalties per day did you score?
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: After training, I would always score.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: And after I hit the ball, Lula, our coach, said,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: let's hit the penalty.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Now, foot to foot, boom, boom, boom. Torrada.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: The goalkeeper always jumps in the wrong corner on purpose.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take a ball anymore. It's true,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: on purpose, it's true. Otávio, what are the things that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the goalkeeper saddens the most, so as not to say
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't like it, in the training?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: When it's finished.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Wow. When it's finished, it's a little, right?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Think of the guys who are angry.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: They get in the car and go... The guy.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: That concentrates, the guy that... Was there a guy.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: That irritated you during the training? Like, the one who
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: did those little jokes?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: Romário was funny, right? Romário was funny.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: The fish was a joke.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: The fish was amazing because he.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: We went to the game and he said like this, Tafa,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: hold it back there. Because you know that I score
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: in the front. So if you hold it, we already
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: won the game. If you don't score, we already won
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: the game.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: We already won the.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: Game, man.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: You know that I'm going to score.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: This confidence he had since always.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: This personality.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: I started playing with Romário in the national team when
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: I was 18 years old.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: Preparation for the South American.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: This guy was the same since then.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Impressive.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: The confidence.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: He didn't assume any responsibility.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: He assumed the responsibility that he called on him.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: He didn't hide it. I think he liked that.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: To call on him more and more.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That's what's good about the team.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: You say, the guy is pulling. Let's do the job.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: Parreira also said, if our team doesn't take a goal,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: we'll score one.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Goal per game.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: Romário.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Baixinho was a star, right? And another curiosity that I.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Have You're curious today.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: When will I have an opportunity like this?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: He's curious today.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: When will I have an opportunity like this?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: It's not always like this.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: You have to see how they treat me when I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: come here. What?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I asked you a question.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: It's you, Janamil.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I have to ask a question. Today I even have
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: my 2002 Guaraná here.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: Respect.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: Look, Cafu.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: You're the captain.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: Champion.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: This is yours.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Respected by God and the world.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Guaraná from 2002.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: FIFA ambassador. We have some groups there on WhatsApp.
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  Speaker 1: You have a.
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  Speaker 6: Business here and there every day.
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  Speaker 7: I've never seen this guy with so much energy.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I went to three events in a week and he
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: was in.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: Three and more.
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  Speaker 7: This guy always had a lot of energy. He was
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: an example for everyone. It's the Guaraná that I'm drinking.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: It's an example for everyone.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: But in 1994 you were young.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Did you get coffee for the guys?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Did they give it to you?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: If I asked for coffee, I would take it, with pleasure.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: No problem at all.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I would kick the kicker.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, you can give me that kick, no problem at all.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Because I wanted them to win. If they won, I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: would be world champion. There is no former champion. The
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: champion is forever. There is no former title. The title
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: is forever. So, you can bring it to me that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: there was no problem at all. But seeing these beasts
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: play was something impressive. We learn, I tell everyone. Who
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: is not playing and sees that there are quality people
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: a little better ahead and wants to learn is something impressive. Because,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: besides valuing yourself, you also value the person who is
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: with you. Because when you talk about the achievement of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: a title, you talk about a whole. Because football is
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: a division of responsibility, a division of space. And when
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: you win, man, it's true that everyone wins. Nobody goes
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: to the World Cup to win alone. You will hardly
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: win a World Cup alone. Not even the king won alone.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Not even the king won alone, man. So what did
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: we want? We wanted these guys to really win. So
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: we were there, happy as hell. Today it's going to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: be tough, but we're going to be cheering for them.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: There was a game where Raí gave us four cars, remember?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: He went up and gave us a car, we from
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the bench were vibrating, he gave us a car and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: we were vibrating. And we were really vibrating, cheering for them. So,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: seeing this generation that is here and having had this
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: opportunity to be the last captain to lift the World
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Cup Cup, made by what these guys did, these children
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: here did.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Horrible.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: Horrible.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: Here in Brazil, we went viral a lot in 2002
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: when Brazil won. I wanted to know about your celebration.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: In 1970, you won the Copa. How was your celebration?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: Today we won the.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Copa Balada, right? In 1970, what did you do? What
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: did you prepare?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: We went to the club too. We went to the club.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You know what happened? Wilson Simonal.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: He went to the party. Wilson Simonal went to Mexico
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: to do a show. It was a show. And he
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: was doing the show.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Barzinho, Barzinho, not Barzinho, not Barzinho, you went to Barzinho, right? Yes, Barzinho, Barzinho.
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  Speaker 1: It's a particular one.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: It's a particular one. Then what happened? No, it's true, Cafu.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: When he came in, he wanted to play, he came
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: in on the ball with us there, right? He liked
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: to play ball, that guy. Then, look, he was the champion,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: where are we going? Because there wasn't, because he was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: in Mexico, there wasn't, there wasn't this thing, this scheme.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Then we went to the club there from... That show
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: he was doing. And it was all the players?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Most of them.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Most of them. I know I went. Where did you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: celebrate in 1962?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: It's better not to say it. The guys want to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: make it harder for you in Sweden.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: How many times did you celebrate in 1962? I went
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to the hotel.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Liar! He's going to sleep, he's going to rest!
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: He's going to sleep!
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I agree with you Mengálvio, in 2002 I also went
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: to the hotel to sleep.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: He's going to rest.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: He's tired of the game. He's tired of the game.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: He's a smart guy, you see?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: What about you, Mengálvio?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Look, back in the days of Caputo, there was already
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: a truck, if it was, it was already armed. There
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: was already internet, right? There was already internet in your time?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: In my time, no.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: There was, right?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: In 2002?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Do you miss that time?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: You win the title abroad, you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Don't really celebrate when you get to Brazil.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: Our return to Brazil was awesome. The one in 1994
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: seemed like it was going to end the world.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: My dad says it looks like the world is going
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: to end.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: But don't you feel like a superhero?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: Like, man, we won the biggest tournament in the world,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: we are so many players.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: The whole country.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Is waiting for me.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: We're making history.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: Here, bro.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: I think the feeling, my feeling, and the most of
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: the players, that we had done something cool for the people.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: That's it. Superheroes... You gave a joy to these guys.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: Because we arrived, we went down to Recife. Why Recife?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: Because we were doing badly in the qualifiers, there was
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: a lot of criticism. We played this match against Bolivia,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: after losing to Bolivia in La Paz, a goal that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: I took in the middle of my leg. It was
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: a very bad atmosphere. We played against Bolivia in Recife.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: It was a party, everyone was impressed. They like us here.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: If we win the World Cup, we'll be back here. Man,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: we won the World Cup, it was awesome.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: One of the happiest days of your life?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Totally, totally.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Unforgettable.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Unforgettable.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: You know, you see the truck passing by, the fire
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: truck there, looking at you, the fans.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: Taffarel, is this the thing that when you.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Wake up, you wash your face, do you see the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: arrows like that? Because, I don't know, I have some
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: deeds in my life that I say, damn, how cool.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: You guys were world cup champions. Do you see these
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: flashes of the crowd, of.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: The goal, of the penalty?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: For me, it comes when you talk to people like that,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: that you end up.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: He said, I was here, I was there.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: His memory comes to yours too. It's nice. The film
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: goes on. It's nice.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: It's not that you get up all day.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: I'm the world champion.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: Talk to the champion.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have a coffee. It's like the World
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Champion Cup.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Go for it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Tomorrow we're together.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: I thought I was going to get up.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: It's like the World Championship. We'll go back to our memories.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: Cafu, for example, will drink coffee and he'll put on
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: the armrest. Let me put on the armrest here.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: But here, playing any party game, cart and children, body
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: and pregnant.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Woman game, old woman knockdown... Cafu is not kidding. How
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: many years had you stopped when you were in the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: national team? I had stopped 10 years ago.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: Dunga was... In 2010, right?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, in 2018.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: Then he came back in 2016 and 2017.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: Then Cafu went there, I don't know what happened, someone
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: got hurt and a player was missing to complete the training.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: Then it was Cafu. Man, you looked, you didn't say that, man.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: I ran like the guys. Sometimes I appeared even more.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Didn't the proposal to return to play appear, Cafu?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: Why didn't you come back?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Let the boys get tired a little bit now. He's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: waiting for more years.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: He's analyzing.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: I'm very young.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: He's getting money from publicity, it's from the world.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to analyze the best proposal. It's the force
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: of nature. And when it's time to stop for you,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: was it difficult or was it easy?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: No, it's already done, I'm going to stop.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: How was the moment for you to finish the career?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: Was it difficult? Mine was studied.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: Because I played only at Santos, considered the golden boy,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: that whole thing, and I had already made a proposal
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: to start a new career as a youth coach, and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: I knew that would stop, and I stopped.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: 750 games at Santos, 405 goals.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: So, for you, it was relatively easy to stop.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: It was easy to stop.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: I went back to the Olympics and all the fans applauded.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Man, did you hear that it's 700 games and 400 goals?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: 400 goals!
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: It's 5!
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: 405! And it's hard to do, he wants to take
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: one of yours still. But half of who gave it
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: was me.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: 200 passes yours at least.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 10: Omega, for you to stop, was it sad or were
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 10: you calm?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: No, it's normal. For me it was normal.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: The legs no longer accompanied and the knee started to scream.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: Então.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: Já tinha uns 10 apartamentos.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Tá suave.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Já tava contando uma folhinha.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Eu não sou Pelé, não.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Você acha que o Pelé fez um dinheirinho?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: O que que é?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Pelé fez um dinheirinho? Não, não fez não. Que peixe
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: fui eu, né, bigode?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: Que peixe fui eu que fiz. E pra você, Riva,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: na hora de.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: Parar, já tinha decidido há muito tempo, foi difícil?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Não, foi bom porque.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I went to Saudi Arabia. You went to get some
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: money there.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Some gold bars. If you get a fire in your mattress,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: you'll be poor.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I stayed in Arabia for three years.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: It was to stay one year. It was a shake.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. I prepared to stop
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: because it's not like today. What age were you?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: I was.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: I was already... 30... I was 78. I'm 46 years old.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Are you a good mathematician? I'm 32 years old. I
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: was young.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: Today you are practically starting to be in that total experience.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: I went to the Arabian Sea and there was no communication.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: Today you know what happens. So I was preparing myself.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: When I came back from the Arabian Sea, I went
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: to do a training in São Paulo, because I lived
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: close to São Paulo.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: Then I did a joke in a collective training, the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Travalino neighborhood, who was the coach, he said, Riva, do
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: you train? I said, no, no, I don't train. I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: told him to do something else, he said, oh, you're
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: going to play again? I said, no, I don't want
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: to play anymore, I don't want to play anymore.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Then I stopped, I stopped at 32, 35.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: At 36 years old I stopped playing.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: How old were you, Pepe? How old were you? I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: stopped at 34. You, Mengálvio?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: What? How many years did you stop playing?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: How old were you? 31?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: How many years did you stop playing?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: It's been a long time.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: I even lost count.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: Soprano was there with 31, 32.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: How old were you when you stopped? How old was I?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: How old were you?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: I think I was already 30 years old.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: She said 31, 32, young, right?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: It's physical preparation.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Nutrition, physiotherapy. Supplementation, physiotherapy, bodybuilding.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: It's a lot of things that nowadays... That was decisive, right?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: It's a long career.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: And for you?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: How did you get to this point in your career?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: I always say to young people, where's your best now?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: Enjoy each trip, each training, each game.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: Give it your 100%. When you stop, you'll say, I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: fulfilled the mission.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: You turned your back, you won't miss it anymore.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: Will I keep going?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: I feel like playing. Nothing. So, when it's over... It's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: a wall. That's it.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: That's it. Done.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Can I tell you this story? We have time. Of course.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: We have time for everyone. He lowered his head. He's tired.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: He's tired.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: He's always in the gym.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in Italy.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: I'm in Italy.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: 37 years old.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: It's coming to my head. I'm going to stop playing.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: The contract is over.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: The Empoli.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: The Empoli.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: The manager called me and said, Taffa, come help us,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: we need a goalkeeper, we need an experienced guy. I said,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking about quitting because I'm not cool anymore, I'm
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: not the same as before. He said, no, man, you're
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: going to help us a lot, come here, come here.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: He insisted, insisted, insisted. On Tuesday night, the last call,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: I said, okay, I'll go. He said, come early, because
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: there's training on Wednesday in Italy. It's always like that,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: from one day to the next. Two periods, he plays
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: on Sunday. I had bought a car.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: Which one? A BMW 730.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Oh!
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: New, new. What color? Black.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: I took the car, before I got on the highway,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: I stopped the car. Electric problem. I couldn't accelerate much
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: because it stopped. I came back, I stopped, I got home,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: I parked. And it was the moment that the children
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: went to school, my children. And we lived more or
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: less in the center of the city.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: I took my wife by bicycle.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: I was taking her to school and I was explaining
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: to her. We were coming back, passing by a bridge,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: and Andreia said to me, my wife, what are you
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: going to do now?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: When she said now, it seemed like a card had fallen.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: I stopped playing.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: Do you know when you feel that God is talking
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: to you? Stop. I stopped playing. The bike stopped, I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: started to cry, but the guys are waiting for you.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: I said to myself, I'll call the director, and I stopped.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: If Milan came today, something that wouldn't happen, of course,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: but if Milan came today, I wouldn't go either. So
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: just to tell you that I stopped playing today. And
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: then I say, I took the opportunity, I gave my best,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: turned the page, man.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: And you.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Had the conscience, I think, at the best moment, with
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: the family.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: No, you say.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: Like this, that's what I want now, I want to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: enjoy the family.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: It's because it's something you don't like while you're playing.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: You can't be with your family.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: I think you can sometimes, but you lose a lot.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: You ask for a child's birthday.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: You ask for an important date for your child, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: you end up losing it. I think that's what happens
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: in our lives.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: I didn't see the birth of my three children.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: You lose important things.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: You don't follow the growth of the child. Exactly.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: What about you, Cafu.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: In your moment of stopping?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Because even today, if you had.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: You would be playing.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: But how was this moment for you?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I prepared myself two years before going back to Brazil,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: in 2006. I went to Milan's board, to Leonardo's, to Braida's,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to Galeano's, and said, look, 2008, I'm going home. In 2008,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: no one makes me play football outside of Brazil anymore. So,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: you guys get ready. I help you to hire a side.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: If you need someone to recommend, I do. Start preparing
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the boys, because in 2008, I'm leaving.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: That was 2006. After 2006, I played all the games.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: After 2007, I played almost all the games. Then comes 2008.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I prepared myself two years before that. to go away
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: in 2008.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: But there were many people who wanted to convince you
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: not to stop.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: There were many people who wanted to convince me not
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: to stop, but I was already convinced that I would
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: leave Milan and go back to Brazil, because I wanted
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: to go back to Brazil to stay with my parents.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: My parents were sick at the time, I said, well,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: you know what? I'm going to go back and stay
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: with my parents and enjoy the rest of my life
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: with them. Unfortunately, the two died, then I said, you
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: know what? I don't play soccer anymore, I stopped. But
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I prepared myself two years earlier, but one thing that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Tafarel said is true. enjoy it now, do your best,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: win titles, dedicate yourself 100% so you can go out
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: later and say, look, I fulfilled my mission, I fulfilled
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: my duty. Save money.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Save money.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: It's very important.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: It's not even reverendo, it's under the mattress.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: On top of that, what is most important is that
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: tomorrow you say, you would do everything, I would do
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: the same.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Everything the same?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: I would do the same.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: Even go to the Luminense?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Everything. I would do the same.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: Damn.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: I would do everything.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: It's true. It's true. It's important that you have this... Exactly.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: You can't have regret.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Something different here because you're still in the team.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: And I see that... The fans in general, every Brazilian
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: wants to put his B in everything, will complain about
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: everything too.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: But I see that the fans question the goalkeepers a lot.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: And what do you, who is the guy who prepares them,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: can say to calm the fans? that you trust them
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: and the quality of the Brazilian goalkeepers, please.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: First of all, our choices, I say ours because I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: don't decide alone.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: There's a commission.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: It's not you who calls the goalkeepers?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: There's a commission, right?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: Just as it's not just Antelotti who calls, it's the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: guy who will always have the last word, but there's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: a whole commission that each one gives his partner.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: And everything else.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: So, we don't invite each other for friendship. I see
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: and hear a lot that Taffarel is a friend of Alisson. Well,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: it's good that I'm a friend of Alisson, who is
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: In all the lists of the best goalkeepers.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: He's always there. So, I don't know why this... Resistence.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: It's resistance.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: I know. He played two World Cups, Brazil didn't even
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: make it to the final. So, it's a lot.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: But it doesn't take away the quality of this guy, right?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: It doesn't take away the quality, just like Ederson, Bento, Hugo, John, Everton.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: Who are now on this wide list.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: We will make the choice of what is really important
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: for the team, you know? The goals that we are
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: really sure of. It can happen, of course, in our part,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: in the choices. You'll see that tomorrow.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: When the goalkeeper misses, it's very noticeable. Exactly.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: Just like Bento missed these days. But, man, this is
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: goalkeeper stuff.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: So you can't come and say, no, this guy doesn't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: come to the National Team anymore because he missed.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: So you don't look at Bento's mistake and discard it?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: Negative. No, negative.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: We look at a sequence. See his history here, a regularity.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: Okay, he misses every Sunday, but then he's not a
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: National Team goalkeeper.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. When he makes a mistake, everyone gets it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: And the hits. Nobody gets it. The hits he makes.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Nobody congratulates him. Nobody says, oh, he made a mistake now. Exactly.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: So the choices will be made on top of that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Of a follow-up.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: Of what is cool for the team.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: The choices are made during the championship. The choices are
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: not made with two or three games.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: With one game. You have one year, two years, three
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: years to evaluate a player. It's not two games that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: will evaluate a player, nor two games that will make
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the player go or stop going to the national team.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Taffarel, what can you say about how the group is
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: and how it is to work with Antilotti?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: What does he have of different? For us to get
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: a little closer.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: Yes, I understood.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: First, a guy who won almost everything in his life
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: as a coach. and come to Brazil with joy to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: work in Brazil, you know? You know that here in
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: Brazil it's different from working in Europe, right? Here there
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: is a different system, the charge... But the fan is
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: a cool part of it, because you have to bring
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: the fan to you, right? We know that when the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 7: fan is against, it's the worst thing in the world.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 7: But you have to bring it to you, to support
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: your side. So, Antelotti came here with this will, this determination,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: and showed a simplicity in the work that enchanted everyone.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: You know, everyone was like, the guy will come full of.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: He showed that football is easy.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: Exactly. No, that football has to be organized, as every
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: Italian likes, tactical, blah, blah, blah, the guys like it.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: It's not exaggerated either in the tactical, I've already caught
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: some Italians and the guys, only tactical. But man, he
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: brought a simplicity, a lightness to the environment. The atmosphere
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: was light, it was relaxed. So, man, it's just the
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: players playing. It's just each one giving their best.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: You know? So I think this is important, man.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 7: It's each one taking to the field, now in this
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: World Cup, this responsibility administered, but a lightness, a joy
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: to play. Which is our essence here in Brazil.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: If you were the people who call Neymar to the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: World Cup, yes or no? Yes!
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: Santista or Valdez? Santista or Valdez?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Neymar, yes or no?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: One of the first on the list, Neymar.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: The first, right?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: First name, Neymar.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: First name.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Rivelino?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: There he is. I knew it.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: He has to know if he wants to go to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: the national team. I think he wants to. I don't
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: see him saying it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I see him thanking the Argentinean.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: People, singing... But I don't see Neymar saying, guys, thank you,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: I want to play one more match, I want to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: try to be world champion. Because he already had... And now,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: if he is physically well, which of course will never
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: be 100%, I could take him because he makes a difference.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: But it's my luxury reserve. It won't be the starter.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: It will be an option. But you would take him?
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: I could think of taking him. I could think a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: lot and take him. If you analyze what we have today,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: because unfortunately we are poor in terms of quality of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: different players. And only he is differentiated. So he can
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: play one or two games, he can. Although he already
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: had three cups and he didn't solve them for us either.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Theoretically he didn't solve them. But he can solve them,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: he can. And I would take him in this aspect only.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: If he accepted it now, The master also.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Decided on the last one. The last one he played.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: He's still going to play another one.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Cafu.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Yes or no?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Ask Tafarel first.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Tafarel, yes or no?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: I saw the last games of Neymar.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: And I liked it a lot.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: Look at that smile. Look at that smile. Continue, continue
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: like that. Remember the question.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: The question was, if it were you who decide.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: If it were me, I would take it.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: So we won.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Let's go to the World Cup then. Let's go to
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: the World Cup.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the World Cup.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: But we have to respect Ancelotti as well.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: He knows what's coming for him. Ancelotti's decision is already made.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: He already made a decision regardless of the match. We'll
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: know on Monday. We'll know on Monday.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I was going to say it, but I don't know yet.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: Honestly.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: You swear?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: It's true. I don't know yet.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Cauchy can't lie. No, it's true. It's true.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it, but I don't know.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: But if you knew, you'd say, I know, but I
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say it. But you'd say you knew. But you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: don't know. But I don't know. No, no, honestly.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: I also don't know, honestly. I don't know.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll accept that answer.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: No, it's true, it's true.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: We're not going to put him in the fire either.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Last question, before we close this wonderful talk. Returning to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: the conversation that football back then was much easier, that
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: you played against anyone, anyway.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: Today we see.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: That there was a Messi, Ronaldo Fenômeno, Ronaldinho Gaúcho, Romário,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: and so many others. Did anyone get close to being
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: an eye, a cuticle of what Pelé was?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: I forget Pelé. Don't forget Pelé, talk about the other players.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Don't get into the conversation.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: For me, there's no such thing. No conversation. He was
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: the only complete player I've ever seen.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: Right, left, header, kick, everything.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Domain.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 8: Iron every now and then, it worked too. But it
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: was fantastic.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: I played next to him.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 8: He never knew what he was going to do. Incredible things. Wonderful.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Was there anything you saw him do that wasn't recorded,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: that you said, my God, I can't believe it?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 8: A lot of things. Especially on excursions. He would kick everyone.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: It was normal.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Complete.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 8: Right, left, head, I'll see.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: All these dribbles that people do today, he did first, right?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 8: I think so.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: That's very crazy.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: So, Mengálvio, no talk.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: No talk, there's no story. I agree with the Santistas.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: I agree with them.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Taffarão, no one even got close. Look, this is the king, right?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: If these guys who played with him say that.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: Imagine who we are to doubt this.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: I agree 100% with Pepe, with Mengal, with Ivelino, with Taffa.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Peleka, there's no other. He's a complete player.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: I think there will never be anyone who can get
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: close to him.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I hope I can see someone more.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: We hope for that, right? We hope for that. Maybe
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: if Ronaldinho Gaúcho had given a greater continuity in his career,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: maybe he could... But that's.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: How it is, right? When it goes leveling, we're talking
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: about Ronaldinho Gaúcho. But he didn't do his best to
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: be what Pelé was.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: Exactly. He was complete.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: He really was that.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: God was good to him. This guy is dribble, speed, strength, right, left, header.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Prepare the physical.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: He's complete. He really was a super athlete.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: And you who like numbers, generation number, generation SofaScore, I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: want to see who's going to hit Pelé' s numbers. A
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: thousand goals, three World Cup titles, the mythical young man. Wow,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I have one more question. I said it was the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: last one, but I remembered someone who participated. Someone who
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: participated in four. What is the importance of Zagalo for
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: this shirt that you are wearing? What was the importance
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: of the player, the coach, and the guy who was
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: on the committee?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: I think everyone can talk a little bit about him.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Zagallo is the face of the Brazilian national team, the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: face of Brazilian football. Zagallo is Brazil. Zagallo was in
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: love with the yellow jersey, he was in love with Brazil.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: He vibrated when he talked.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: About the yellow jersey.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: He lit the locker room. He lit the locker room. Man,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: what Zagallo had of patriotism in relation The Brazilian national
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: team was something amazing. He loved Brazil.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: I talked about Zagallo and everyone was like... Taparé already
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: sent three bars.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: There's a scene from 1998, before the semifinals.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: He comes to me and says, Tavares, let's go, my boy!
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: But that caught you, right?
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Vibration, of course.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Vibration.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: He vibrated.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: His astral is very high.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Impressive. And they said he wasn't a great coach, right?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: In the 70s they said he would give the shirt
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: to Pelé and he.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: Would throw it up.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: On the contrary, he was a great coach. He has
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: the face of Brazil.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: He has the face of the national team.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: He won.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: Legend.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: Legend. Zagallo, Pepe.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: Zagallo was a great coach, a great team player.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: It was good to have him.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: No doubt. At least he was a smart guy who.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 8: Knew how to handle things, how to build things.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: He was useful.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: What do you think of Zagallo Mengalfa? I agree with
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 8: what Pepe is.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Saying about Zagallo.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 8: He's out of this world.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: I was telling you.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 10: His scream outside was awesome.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: And?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: It gave me strength. It vibrated me. That's cool. That's
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: cool to be able.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: To hear you guys. Thank you very much. I'm flattered.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: This is a historic day for me, for Mítico, for Podpá.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Did you like to participate in
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: this podcast? Thank you very much.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Thank you, Guaraná.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Guaraná, for the opportunity. Thank you, Guaraná. Thank you, Guaraná.
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  Speaker 9: A kiss.
• 1:31:35
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• 1:31:37
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• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: those who have social media. I don't know who has it,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I think only Cafu has it. Do you have social media, Taffarel?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Do you have Instagram, Rivelino? If you have Instagram, everyone
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: has Instagram. Follow Mengálvio, Pepe, Rivelino, Taffarel and Cafu on
• 1:32:04
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• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Follow me, follow the Mythic. We're at 10 million subscribers.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Mythico Jovem, do your honors.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: That's right, guys.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Our champions, our heroes. We're going to be at Convocação, huh?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: We're going to be at Convocação Quebrada, me and Gão
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: are going to be there at Convocação.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Mítico Jove will be directly from Rio de Janeiro
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: and we here live at Quebrada FC bringing this Convocação
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  Speaker 2: against Elote there at the Museu da Manhã. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be there, I'm going to be there.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: Will Ney go?
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  Speaker 2: Will he go?
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  Speaker 4: What's going to happen there?
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• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: Applause!
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  Speaker 2: Applause!
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  Speaker 9: Bravo!
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Gringos?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Nunca entenderão.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: Guaraná Antártica.
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  Speaker 3: Sente de torcer é coisa nossa.