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Do not go quietly | HBR Talk 407 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk four oh seven. Do
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  Speaker 1: not go quietly now. You'll see on the screen this
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  Speaker 1: article is a year old, but they're actually voting on
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  Speaker 1: this now. So we're gonna read this article today and
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  Speaker 1: then I have other information. We're gonna look at the bill.
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  Speaker 1: We will have to look at mental capacity because that's
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in the bill. It's a bit insidious, and we
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  Speaker 1: are also going to look at this article. So our
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  Speaker 1: order is probably going to be the British article first,
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  Speaker 1: the Canadian article second, and then the British bill, and
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  Speaker 1: we may do some comparisons between that and the Canadian bill,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't expect to get that far in one show. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: this will be a few shows as we read about this,
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  Speaker 1: but that's that's what we're up to right now. So
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a difficult discussion. But I have
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  Speaker 1: some of the best people with me to discuss this.
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  Speaker 1: We I'm your host, Hannah Wallin here with nonsense annihilator
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Brooks. It is hot, and I am perrymanopausal, and
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  Speaker 1: I am sick of all of your ship. So let's
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  Speaker 1: have a good show. People. We have the personification of
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  Speaker 1: perceptivity Mike Stevenson, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: How to follow that. Fucking Phil Common. Hello everyone, it
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  Speaker 2: is quite.
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  Speaker 1: It is hot. We have Richard the Lionhearted.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry for the day's topic, but it was important to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all Richard's fault. He drew my attention to this,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's yet another country doing this, and I've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about this in the background a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: there we go, and we have the doge in charge,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Martinez, working in the background to make everything happen.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into it, we've got a few things,
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  Speaker 1: and before we get into a few things, we gotta
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  Speaker 1: Ah and I also have some super chats from or
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  Speaker 1: super I don't know if the's are. Are these super
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  Speaker 1: chats or Superchows? Brian, I don't know if he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: answer me. They look like superchows, the Superchows. Okay, oh
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  Speaker 1: I see it. There we go. Okay, so there these
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  Speaker 1: are in the show chat and they're a little condensed.
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  Speaker 1: But on six eighteen, twenty twenty six at eight forty
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  Speaker 1: eight pm, we missed one. Uh, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: one that I think I couldn't see. Atheism question for
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  Speaker 1: doc if Allison says reverse traditionalism is incoherent but also necessary.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make reverse tradition reverse traditionalism a religion? Religion
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  Speaker 1: is the only other thing I've heard described is both
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  Speaker 1: of those things.
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  Speaker 2: I don't quite know what reverse traditionalism is. I guess
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  Speaker 2: traditionalism is doing things we've always done for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of always doing them. So reverse traditionalism is doing the
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  Speaker 2: opposite of those things, because it's narcissism basically, which yes,
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  Speaker 2: is religious as as religious as well, certainly as religious
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  Speaker 2: as traditionalism. But there are lots of different facets to traditionalism.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, circumcision is traditional. I certainly oppose that, but
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  Speaker 2: fidelity is also traditional, and I'm in favor of that,
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  Speaker 2: So I don't that's yeah, I need a lot more
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  Speaker 2: information on on on what that is before I can
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  Speaker 2: answer that. But different, But yes, and anti religion is
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  Speaker 2: just as religious as religion because it's playing on the
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  Speaker 2: same chessboard, if you will, I hope that answers your question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope so too. We have another one. This
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  Speaker 1: one is Tuesday the sixteenth, and that was at seven.
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  Speaker 1: And let's see the last one. Oh, there's the price.
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  Speaker 1: So the last one was five dollars and this one
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  Speaker 1: is five dollars and says doc. If you have a
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  Speaker 1: PO box or if you trust me with your address,
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  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of cool shit to send you,
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  Speaker 1: Like how I'm sending Alison my nys can you I
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  Speaker 1: can send you a three hundred dollars silver Zippo lighter,
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  Speaker 1: an unused jack Japanese pocket ash tray, and tons of
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  Speaker 1: other ship shit. I'm a quick chance on your subscribe star.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to pay me a place to send it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice, that's very sweet.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds awesome. But I don't have a PO box and
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  Speaker 2: maybe I should get one, and I'm not willing to
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  Speaker 2: put out my address work. Just send it to send
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  Speaker 2: it here? It could you could send it to Laurence
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  Speaker 2: Place if she's willing to give her address, and I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't ask him to do that. But if you've already
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  Speaker 2: got Allison's address, just send it to Alison and I
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  Speaker 2: guess I'll pick it up next time we have a meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Are we having a bat your meetup this summer like
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  Speaker 2: we did last year?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I am still working on a location. I have
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  Speaker 1: a one place in mind. We will whatever we do.
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  Speaker 1: Because things have heated up a little bit again this
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  Speaker 1: year at least online. I think that we'll probably start
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  Speaker 1: out at right Patterson Air Force Museum because that's on
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  Speaker 1: right Patterson Air Force Base, and also because the museum
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  Speaker 1: itself is of interest at least to the Men's Issues
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  Speaker 1: part of the group. But I haven't solidified anything just yet.
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  Speaker 1: So over the weekend I will do more research.
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  Speaker 3: And I should be able to so I need to
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  Speaker 3: get possible.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. You might want to do it soon
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  Speaker 1: because the timeframe I'm looking at is the end of August.
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  Speaker 2: Are you planning on having it in the US. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: A lot of Canadians won't come down, including Allison. I
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  Speaker 2: think Allison has decided never to come to the US
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  Speaker 2: over again. So that would solve that wouldn't solve the
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  Speaker 2: problem that the that the super chat is presenting. But
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  Speaker 2: we'll figure something out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there will be a mixed up meetup. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what else is on the docket in terms
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  Speaker 1: of travel and stuff like that. That's the only one
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  Speaker 1: that I am really in charge of planning because it's
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  Speaker 1: my meetup. But but yeah, I've had some people suggest BUCkies.
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  Speaker 1: BUCkies is the Sam's Club of convenience stores. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: the best way to put it. For the Americans, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if there's anything in the UK that's the same.
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  Speaker 1: It's huge they have.
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  Speaker 3: I don't got anything like that in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really it's neat. Probably should take people there anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but I was thinking more in terms of a sit
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  Speaker 1: down and relaxed kind of place. But we'll see. We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: We have some chatter going on in the our chat
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  Speaker 1: for it, so we'll see what comes of that. But
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  Speaker 1: whatever we do, I still plan for it to start
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  Speaker 1: at the museum for some pretty obvious reasons. So also
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  Speaker 1: we do have some It looks like we have some
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  Speaker 1: super chows in the middle of the night yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody got a chance to read
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  Speaker 1: them or not. So we got one from Edwin Richard
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  Speaker 1: for twenty dollars, who says, can't thank you guys enough
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  Speaker 1: for what you do. Some extra food for the badger.
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  Speaker 1: Omnam Nam Omnam nam Nam. We got three numbs. There
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  Speaker 1: were five things that convinced me something was seriously wrong.
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  Speaker 1: One feminist academia promoting overtly missandrac ideas like reducing the
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  Speaker 1: male population to ten percent of the human race with
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  Speaker 1: no real signs of remorse, apology, or even slowing down.
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  Speaker 1: Two Cassie J's The Red Pill Documentary, three Warren Ferrell's
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  Speaker 1: books The Boy Crisis and The Myth of Mail Power.
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  Speaker 1: Four Paul Nathanson's and Catherine Young's books Spreading Misery, Legalizing Missantry, Missandry,
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  Speaker 1: Replacing miss Andry, and Sanctifying miss Andry. And five Honey
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  Speaker 1: Badger Radio, including prim Reaper's analysis of the APA guidelines
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  Speaker 1: for Men and Boys. At some point it stops being
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  Speaker 1: coincidence and it becomes patterned. And Zapier gave us five
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  Speaker 1: dollars and didn't say anything, So we don't know if
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  Speaker 1: there was a if there was supposed to be a
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  Speaker 1: comment attached to that or not, but that was at
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  Speaker 1: so we thank you both, and with that we will
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  Speaker 1: get to the topic at hand. There are some points
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make before we actually read the article.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is that whenever we talk about male
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  Speaker 1: suicide in particular, feminists always like to and it's not
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  Speaker 1: even always feminists, it's women. Women will jump to this
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  Speaker 1: and women's defenders feminists jump to this one statistic that
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  Speaker 1: they're always shouting at us, and they always have sources,
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  Speaker 1: and they're always authoritative sources saying that women attempt more
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  Speaker 1: than men, women attempt suicide significantly more than men, or
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  Speaker 1: twice as often as men, or three times as often
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  Speaker 1: as men. Different sources say different different amounts. However, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of death by suicide are men, men and boys,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately, all too often it's it's nothing like what
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  Speaker 1: this bill is being sold to us, as this is
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  Speaker 1: what it's going to be. They're not dying already, they're
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  Speaker 1: not fearing that their death is going to be more
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  Speaker 1: painful than it has to be. A lot of times
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  Speaker 1: they're in a situation that they don't think they can
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  Speaker 1: live with, and sometimes you get very shortsighted. I was
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  Speaker 1: in a situation I didn't think I could live with
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  Speaker 1: when I was thirteen years old, and honestly, the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that stopped me at that point was that my
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  Speaker 1: parents would have been devastated, and I could see it
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  Speaker 1: in my head how much I would be hurting them
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  Speaker 1: if I did that. And so I found that I
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  Speaker 1: did have the courage to face what I was dealing
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  Speaker 1: with at the time, and I didn't face it in
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  Speaker 1: a particularly healthy way necessarily, but I I did put
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  Speaker 1: a stop to the problem, and uh, and I did
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  Speaker 1: move on. But people will make this decision and they'll
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  Speaker 1: prepare for months until they have everything in place, they
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  Speaker 1: feel like they've they're ready to go, and they won't
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  Speaker 1: change their mind unless somebody can talk them out of
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  Speaker 1: it or something changes in their lives. And once you
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  Speaker 1: once you've made the decision, you get this lightness that
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  Speaker 1: it's like you don't have to worry about anything anymore
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  Speaker 1: because you're not going to be there right if you
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  Speaker 1: feel like that, so you can be cheerful all the time,
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  Speaker 1: you can be happy, you can be light on your feet,
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  Speaker 1: joke about things that you would joke about, not not
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  Speaker 1: dread things that you would normally dread because what do
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  Speaker 1: you care. You're going to be gone. And sucks to
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  Speaker 1: go into that stage and then realize that you can't
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  Speaker 1: do it because of what you're really doing is just
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  Speaker 1: transferring your pain to the people who love you the most.
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  Speaker 1: And then it all comes crashing back on and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deal with this shit. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with all of this and it's better
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  Speaker 1: to not play it in the first place. But unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: that that's being dangled in front of people all over
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, ahead, there is a shred of credibility to
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  Speaker 2: this when it comes to people who are actually terminally ill,
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  Speaker 2: with actually six months to live, and they they are
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed to face six months of extreme pain or however
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  Speaker 2: many years of extreme pain and.
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  Speaker 1: Or choked to death like a ls and does.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe maybe it's they should have the right
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  Speaker 2: to take their lives into their own hands. And do
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  Speaker 2: you know my parents have been enthusiastic about this ever
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  Speaker 2: since they found out about it, like, oh, that that
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  Speaker 2: that would be nice. And I'm like, okay, guys, just
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  Speaker 2: don't let them convince you to die. And I tried
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  Speaker 2: to explain to them what's been going on in Canada
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  Speaker 2: because they because boomers who listen to the television, have
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  Speaker 2: no idea what arcophobic horrors are having in happening in
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  Speaker 2: Canada and Australia, like as a test before they roll
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  Speaker 2: it out to the to the rest of the of
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  Speaker 2: the anglosphere. And and I don't know what to point
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  Speaker 2: people towards when it comes to Canada other than it
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  Speaker 2: I think it's now the leading cause of death or
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  Speaker 2: is one of the leading causes of death in in
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  Speaker 2: in Canada, the government killing you and like nobody trusts
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  Speaker 2: the government. When when when you ask people, when you
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  Speaker 2: press them on on it for even a moment, they go,
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  Speaker 2: of course, I don't trust the government heavens to Betsy
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  Speaker 2: no no, no, no, no, no something something Trump and Ship.
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  Speaker 2: But then when it comes to your life and your health,
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  Speaker 2: people go, oh, yeah, that's yes, that's fine. If the
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  Speaker 2: government tells me that my health is in the can
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  Speaker 2: and I should die, then absolutely I'll believe them. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: why would they lie? And I have to remind them
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  Speaker 2: that our health system doesn't. It's different from the American
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  Speaker 2: health system in in in terms of it's not driven
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  Speaker 2: by profit. Being driven by profits not an ideal situation.
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  Speaker 2: But when you have an NHS, when you have a
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  Speaker 2: government run health service, the way they make money is
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  Speaker 2: by not having to pay to keep people alive. You
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  Speaker 2: see what I mean. So it when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: any government operated national health service, is in their financial
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  Speaker 2: interests to kill people because then they won't have to
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  Speaker 2: pay to keep them alive. And and and for all
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  Speaker 2: the ship people say about the American healthcare system, at
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  Speaker 2: least over there, I should say over here, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: over here now. At least it's in their interests to
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  Speaker 2: keep the patients alive, albeit on all manner of fucking
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  Speaker 2: pills and shit. And that's that's a whole other thing.
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  Speaker 2: But this is really the acid test. When it comes
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  Speaker 2: to government run health services. They they do things for
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  Speaker 2: financial incentives just as much as any private healthcare service.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, their incentives lye in just having
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  Speaker 2: fewer customers or whatever, or whatever the word is. It's
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  Speaker 2: just it's in their financial interests that no one is
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  Speaker 2: coming to them with any health problem. So of course
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  Speaker 2: they're going to jump on the opportunity to just kill
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  Speaker 2: people rather than giving them drugs and surgeries for ten
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  Speaker 2: twenty years towards the end of their life. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, there are some cases where that's for the best.
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  Speaker 2: But again you can look to Canada and oh no,
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  Speaker 2: you've got a fucking booboo on your finger, let's kill you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even exaggerating all that much as it's all
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  Speaker 2: you you need a fucking stair lift, let's kill you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh dear, you had some kind of mysterious injury from
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  Speaker 2: a series of injections you had around twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, there's nothing we can do about it. Let's
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  Speaker 2: kill you. And it all lines up as something really
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  Speaker 2: quite sinister, doesn't it. I mean, downli evil really. For
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  Speaker 2: everything that can be said about our persistent dying can
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  Speaker 2: be a good thing, it falls by the wayside compared
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  Speaker 2: with what the government will do because it hates people,
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  Speaker 2: because it hates the people it's supposed to be serving.
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  Speaker 2: That's the world we live in now, especially in western countries,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the anglosphere, like we are ruled by machines
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  Speaker 2: that are programmed to hate us, and that includes the
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  Speaker 2: health service. The health service is run by machines that
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  Speaker 2: hate us and they want us dead. I know it
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  Speaker 2: sounds exaggerated that these people hate us and want us dead,
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  Speaker 2: and I say people, but these machines hate us and
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  Speaker 2: want us dead. These machines are run by people, so
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  Speaker 2: it's difficult to describe. But it is a machine, the
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  Speaker 2: cogs of which are civil servants. And yeah, I just
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  Speaker 2: as much as you hate the government, you don't hate
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  Speaker 2: them enough because you're gonna see you're gonna see them
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  Speaker 2: do ship. You're gonna you're gonna see them do the ship.
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  Speaker 2: The Canada's done, uh it, and it's probably gonna be
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  Speaker 2: even worse in the UK. I mean I I Canada
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  Speaker 2: leads the way. Canada is the scout in into this
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  Speaker 2: orcophobia that they call progress. But when when the UK
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  Speaker 2: gets hold of it, they're gonna they're gonna take it
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  Speaker 2: from novice to expert. They're gonna they're gonna kill millions
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  Speaker 2: of us. They're gonna convince millions of us that we
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  Speaker 2: need to die, and it's gonna be fucking awful. And uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to get through to the boomers
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  Speaker 2: because they believe everything the TV tells them. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do and I don't want to do. It
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  Speaker 2: sucks and it's kind of scary.
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  Speaker 1: And the difficult thing with the older generations is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them are at the age where, even if
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  Speaker 1: they don't get Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or one of the
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  Speaker 1: illnesses that starts to kill your brain before your body dies,
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  Speaker 1: they have all their organs are also old, and all
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  Speaker 1: of their organs are less efficient than they used to be,
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  Speaker 1: and so your brain gets less oxygen, your brain gets
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  Speaker 1: less nutrients, and so on. Your circulation might not even
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  Speaker 1: be as good as it used to be, and you
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  Speaker 1: get this slowing down of responses as you age, so
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  Speaker 1: you might not be as quick off the cuff, and
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  Speaker 1: if somebody hits you with a bunch of double speak,
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  Speaker 1: you might not fully understand what they say, even if
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  Speaker 1: you're not senile. During the lead up to the Holocaust,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the things that was being done
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  Speaker 1: to older people in Germany, and they were exterminating them
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  Speaker 1: like any anybody that was old and infirm, by rapid fire,
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  Speaker 1: questioning them or asking them questions loaded with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of double speak or buzzwords, or just just you know,
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  Speaker 1: making them as convoluted as possible, where you have so
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  Speaker 1: many details in one question that the part and by
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the end of the question that person can't remember what
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you were asking. And then if they were they were
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: deemed a feeble minded or inept senile because of that,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: then they would be put to death. And they treated
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it like people treat putting animals to sleep. And it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: seems rather connected in my view that this is the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: way it's starting with medical assistance and dying. What's different
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: with Canada that specifically makes it particularly insidious and dangerous
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is that they have two different tracts for medical assistance
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and dying. If you have an illness that like, you've
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: basically got a death sentence from your doctor. And it's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: not going to be a peaceful, die in your sleep
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: kind of death. It's going to be something awful, like
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: like I said, with als, your throat slowly becomes paralyzed
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: until you suffocate, it collapses, and you choke to death.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's horrible and it's probably the most used diagnosis by
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: proponents in discussing this type of bill. Cancer can be very,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: very painful. That's another one my particular, I don't know
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: what to call it, iteration of Ailer's dand loss syndrome,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the one with the weak blood vessels. Basically, Ailer's dand
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: loss is a connective tissue disorder usually causes joint hypermobility,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and I do have a significant amount of that as well.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I can put my hip out walking across the room
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: by accident. Now I can put it back though, So
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it's all right so far. But people like me, when
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: we get older, we start to have brain bleeds and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: mini strokes. I saw my grandma go down that road.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It looks like Alzheimer's on fast forward really fast forward
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like Alzheimer's can take ten to twenty years. This took two,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So you know, people will the suffering that can happen
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: from that. It can be similar to neuropathy. If you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: have certain types of brain damage, you can cause things
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to not work properly. It can cause things to fire
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: off improperly. People will choose death rather than face those
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: types of pain, and it's understandable that people will do that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It's understandable that somebody might not want to go through
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the type of suffering if you get cancer of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: spinal cord, which can happen, or brain cancer, which can happen,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and that also can cause pain nerves to fire off
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: with no real cause other than the fact that something
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in the tumor is touching it. But the other track
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is natural death not reasonably foreseeable. That's the other direction.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It has stricter safeguards. Allegedly, it's got a ninety day
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: assessment period which you can you can waive if capacity
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: loss is imminent. So in other words, someone like me,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: if I was Canadian, starts having many strokes and have
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: already lost a little capacity, and they're telling me, oh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this is this is going to get worse. You've probably
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: got about two years, maybe you could live longer than that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: We don't have a specific when you're going to pass
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: from this, but you are going to lose your mind, right.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That's track two, And you know that's that's pretty much
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: telling somebody to kill themselves to make things easier on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: their family, and it's been used on people with depression schizophrenia.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: There was another story that we're going to look at
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in a few days. This one Vancouver woman offered made,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: which they're not supposed to even be bringing it up.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: She's supposed to ask them. But Vancouver woman offered made
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: before receiving any treatment at hospital that or diagnosis. She
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: had a broken head, she had a fractured hip. It
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna kill her. But there we'll go over the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: whole story at that time. People with chronic pain, other
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: some people with tailors danelos have profound joint pain, absolutely horrible,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and it would be very tempting for some people to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: just end it in that circumstance, especially if they're like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: me and they can't take pain meds. So there's there's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a lot more to this than just the side that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: gets present presented by the people that have sympathy for
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: people who are suffering and dying, and that they want
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to make it so that dying doesn't have to involve suffering.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We will go over that a little more with regard
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to the article here, but the last thing I want
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to get into I had started started to talk about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the difference in suicides. There's there's evidence, and we might
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: go over that as well a little briefly, but we're
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: not going to do it today, so I don't have
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the research open in my browser. But there is evidence
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that a significant amount of the time when women are
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: recorded as having attempted suicide, they were not attempting suicide.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: They were self harming as a means of getting somebody
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to stop ignoring a problem or something that they viewed
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: as a problem. So suicide, you're trying to kill yourself.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: If you're not trying to kill yourself, even if you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: self harm in a way that could kill you, if
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you're not trying to kill yourself, that's not being suicidal.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: It's so it's one of those where women jump in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and say, oh, women attempt so much more than men.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Men are the ones dying from it. And if you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: really look at that that set of attempts. They're not
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: all attempts. So really the statistic that matters the most
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: is who's dying. And the other thing is there's a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: very high rate, and not just in men and boys,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: but also in people with treatable mental health conditions. A
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: lot of the men people with gender dysphoria, a lot
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of them biologically male who identify as female and then
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: discover that that doesn't transitioning does not help them with
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the gender justice for people with chronic physical pain, a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: lot of people end up in chronic physical pain after
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they have had an injury at work. Most people with
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: injuries in the workplace are men people with other treatable disabilities.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's not as not as common for women as for men.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: The highest rate of suicide that I noted just having
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Grock do a search for statistics for me, men comprise
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: seventy five percent of suicide deaths. The highest rate is
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in middle aged men, and that's that's age like excited
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: age forty to fifty four at around twenty five to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: twenty seven per one hundred thousand. But when you drop
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: down to men with treatable disabilities, it's forty eight per
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, So men with treatable disabilities are quite
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a bit, almost twice as likely. There is higher rates
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: among divorces than non divorces. And yeah, it's mostly linked
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to social isolation, socioeconomic status, substance abuse, long term illness.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Pain.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And again it's mostly mostly men. So we live in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a society that does not have compassion on the same
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: level for men or much at all as it does
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: for women. And this is in my opinion, this is
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the result.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: My my inviss link to quotic illness, substance abuse.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: And what was the other one, disability and disabil Yeah, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: and that one, like I said, is it's.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That affects UH a lot more than just or just
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: being an average guy. So for the listeners, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: if you know somebody that's close to you, it's in
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in any of those circumstances, just make sure you check
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: in on them periodically, and if their whole attitude toward
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: life suddenly changes, check harder.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: We have.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Right, go ahead, Well, I just wanted to something said
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: something I said earlier about taking your life into your
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: own hands. I I I don't want to misconstrue anything
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that's still illegal taking your own life on your own
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: terms is still a crime, which always seemed bizarre to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: me that when I first heard about this when I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: was a kid. But suicide is illegal, I was like, wait, what,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: how how do you enforce that, because it's only when
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: people actually go through it and actually successfully die for
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: want of a better phrase, that they've actually committed the crime. Like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: if it's unenforceable, then why is that even on the books?
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: But it's ill to attempt. Actually, it's because it's destruction
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: of government property is the joke. But it's not just
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: a joke. It's very much true. You belong to the
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: government and you are not allowed to take that life
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: into your own hands because that life does not belong
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: to you. It belongs to the government. The only thing
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: that's changing here is the government.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well there is another bit to kill you. There's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: another bit to look at there though. If you attempt
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: on your own, you know, like at home or in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a public place or whatever wherever you go to try
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to do it, you are also creating a public nuisance.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That's the one way that the law might look at it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Another thing that they might be doing is, say, let's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: say the goal is to preserve life. We never trust
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that the government has a goal that altruistic. But these
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: laws were written back when the logic spare the rod,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: spoil the child was prevalent, meaning that you deter behavior
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that you want to prevent by using punishment. So somebody
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: stops you in a suicide attempt, then you get punished
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: because you attempted, you might not try again, and you
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: might not create another another public nuisance. That's I don't
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily fair to say that that would
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: really be that effective, because, like I said, there's a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: different mindset when you when you're one hundred percent certain
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna die. That the way that things that
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: are a threat to you, when you're one hundred percent
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: certain that you're going to face tomorrow, or at least
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine repeating percent certain that you're going
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to face tomorrow and the next tomorrow and all the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's after that for a long time, there are things
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that can threaten you that you just don't care about
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: if you're one hundred percent certain you're going to die,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: because you're not going to have to face those things
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: somebody else's and unless you if you've ever looked at
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: life that way, you know what I'm talking about. If
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you haven't, this might not make sense to you. But
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: unless you have an overactive conscience, or at least a
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: very active conscience, it becomes very hard. It's very hard
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to deter somebody. I've had to do that too, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you really kind of have to shake the shit out
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of them in a way to get them to walk
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: back from that edge. But in any case, yeah, I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: don't I don't think sending people to jail would work.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But the other thing that the law does is the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: state can't send you to a mental health institution unless
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you've broken a law. Like that's something new. Well, yeah
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: they can. Well they might actually have a law for.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: They might consider you broke some law or other. Their
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: laws are so in the UK, if you say the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: wrong thing, you've broken the law. Right, If somebody thinks
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing about you, you've broken the law. So
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to say. I'm sure everybody in the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: UK has broken some law in another by now, just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: on those based on those two things. If you're somebody's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: wrong think boogeyman, you've broken the law. And if you're
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: somebody's demographic boogeyman. You've broken the law, so there you go.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: But in a lot of countries, the state won't put
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you in a mental health institution unless you've broken the law,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like involuntarily.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: They won't.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: They won't put you in involunteer. If you volunteer and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you can prove that you need treatment, they'll they'll pay
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: for it if you're disabled, but they won't come to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: your house, round you up and drag you off. The
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: nice young men and their clean white coats will not
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: come to take you away unless you've broken a law
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that demonstrates that you're a threat to yourself or other people.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: So they have to make suicide illegal so that you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: can be on the wrong side of the law if
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you try to kill yourself, and they can put you
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: in a mental health institution in the hopes that you
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: will get the help that you need and you won't
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: try that again. We have a rubble rant from Roboto one, two, three, four,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: five sixty seven.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Actually we have two rubble rants that I seem from Roboto.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: We have if a person has six months, no one
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: should be trying to keep them alive and allowing the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: right to life. Everyone is entitled to uh, if the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: family cares, they will show it. Yeah, if they're If
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: they give you a terminal diagnosis, I don't know how
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: things work in other countries, but in the US, what
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: they do when they give you a terminal diagnosis and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: they say, this is it. Your condition is no longer treatable.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You are now on something called comfort care. What comfort
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: care is, they do everything they can to make you comfortable,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: but they don't take any heroic measures to keep you live.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: If you need treatment to prolong your life, you don't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: get that treatment. So they if you were on chemo,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you're not on chemo anymore. But they will give you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: pain medicine and you can eat and drink for as
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: long as you're capable. But if you stop being capable,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they're not going to give you a feeding tube or
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: an ivy drip of fluids unless your medical plan says
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to die of dehydration because it's painful.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you have, like you lay out all of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the things that they can and can't do. They'll usually
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: have hospice care come in, and hospice like people look
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: at me and my job working with people with intellectual disabilities,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and oh, you're an angel. No, I'm just a worker.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: People who do hospice care are angels because they have
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: to lose people at every job they go to, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know they care for these people. And when you
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: are a caregiver, a professional caregiver, you develop and attach.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: There's no way to not do that. You want to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: make sure this person is comfortable and as content as
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they can be. There's no detaching yourself from that. You
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: can be as clinical about it as you want. It
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: still hurts when you lose somebody, and even if it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: somebody that you've only known for a couple of weeks.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And so those those people really are angels. But they
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: will go in and anything you can't do for yourself,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: anything you want help with, like it can be anything
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: from helping you to continue to eat and bathe and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, to making sure you know that any
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: housekeeping that needs done is done. And just depending on
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: what role they fill in hospice is so it's not
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: like they don't they don't prolong life unless there's something
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: of a chance, right and Roboto one, two, three, four,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: five sixty seven goes on and says, hope hospice. Each
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of these were for a dollar, says hospice would be
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: king in such matters. Many methods to reverse it. Some
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: one has to do their own research. And actually sometimes
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: being helpless is enough that hospice will come in. You
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: don't have to be departing in six months, right or
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: two weeks or whatever. Sometimes they don't have a date
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: for you. Sometimes it's better if they don't give you
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a date. I mean, they gave me a date and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I'm still here, so.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Senior Sticks thirty eleven gave us two dollars and said, Mike,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: good chance for England versus USA? What say you?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about football?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming because I don't. It's probably not American football.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I mean, I mean the sport way.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: The one that we call soccer over here.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, dive grass is the best name for it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I mean American football is hand egg and British football
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: is dive grass. Oh yeah, sorry, I don't talk about football,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: but maybe I will if there's an England versus USA,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: because I have allegiances to both of those countries. But
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I'm still going to remain quiet until someone wins, and
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: then I'll gloat no matter what happens.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: They can't get past Mexico Monday.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mexico's pretty good.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: See that is all of our super chows, all of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: our super chats and our rumble rants. So we can
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: actually get into the article now forty eight minutes after
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: this started the show. So the article is a year old,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: but the subject isn't there. And this article was referenced
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to me by someone, and I saw some other articles,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: but I kind of liked the coverage of this one
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: better because a lot of the articles were very brief,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: probably because this has been talked about for a few years.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: So some of this information is a bit old. But
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: if I skip a paragraph, that's why. But aside from that,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of it isn't. Terminally ill people in England
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and Wales are to be given the right to an
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: assisted death in an historic societal shift that will transform
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: end of life care. So you could tell already that
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: for this After months of argument, MP's narrowly voted in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: favor of a private member's bill introduced by Labor's Kim Ledbetter.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's better, we would say better here in the US, though,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: which could become law within four years. Well there, there,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it's looking like it might become law more within one year.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: The emotional debate. The emotional debate in Parliament was dominated
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: by pleas from opponents of the bill for stricter safeguards
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: against coercion by abusers, concern from disabled people, warnings about
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the fundamental change in the powers of the state when
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: granted new rights over life and death, and now again
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: at the time the Prime Minister Keir Starmer voted in
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the bill, So.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Of course you did. Of course you fucking did. By
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the way, I just want to I just want to
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: make sure there's representation in these numbers, because we've seen
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: things in Canada that's there's a certain demographic that's over
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: overrepresented in the government killings. And I'm going to call
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: them government killings because that's what they are. You can
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: dress it up in whatever euphemism you like. I just,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: you know, we see representation in everything else, certainly in
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: positions of privilege. I just, I just, I just want
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: to see if the percentage of demographics killed are representative
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: of the demographics that live in the country. And if
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it's not the case, I'm going to have to wonder
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: if there's some skullduggery afoot not to sound like a
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories theirst, but I get the feeling it's going
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to be mostly Native Brits killed, just like it's mostly
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Native Canadians killed. My theory. I'm just being now out there.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Yep says it will head to the House of Lawyers
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and Peers are not expected to block its progress, though
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: opponents said they would continue to fight the bill there.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Royal assent is widely expected by the end of the year,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and it didn't happen by the end of the year,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: but it looks like it's going to happen by the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: end of this year. We'll give people with less than
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: six months to live in England and Wales the right
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to an assisted death after approval from two doctors and
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a panel including a psychiatrist, social worker and senior lawyer.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: So I didn't know you called them lawyers over there.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I thought you called embarrassters.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: We do. It's a bit of both.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: We we keep adopting American English because we hear so
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: much of it in the TV show as we watch.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: So you guys are adopting a bastard child. That's great,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: British people.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: British people can speak American English. But Americans can't speak
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: English English.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: My cousins same math instead of maths.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's all. It's all one subject here. It's just
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: there's different iterations of it. So which is we don't
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: think of them as different different maths. They're all maths.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: It's just very confusing, I guess.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: And my cousin, my little custom started speaking in an
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: American accent. Now he's only four, oh boy, but she
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: watches a lot of American TV.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: That's that's going to make it difficult for her over there,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Apparently Apparently American children when they when they watch so
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: much Pepper Pig, start speaking in English accents.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah see what my generation, it wasn't Peper Pig. It
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: was doctor Who There you go?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, imagined the other way around, like pretty loads
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: of American TV from from cradle to grave. So yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: we're very familiar but with the American vernacular and we're
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: mostly speaking it now, which is fine because they're pretty
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: fucking similar to be honest.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, opening the debate, I you in color? You still what?
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I still put you in color color?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that that always turns me for a loop
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: when I see it. I want to pronounce it differently,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: but I'm not exactly sure how. Opening the debate, Leadbetter said,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep saying lead Better until somebody corrects me. Said,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: now was the time to seize the moment to correct
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: the profound injustices of the status quo. It's profoundly injustice
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: that we're not killing people. Guys, just want you to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: know that and to offer a compassionate and safe choice
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: to terminally ill people who want to make it. The
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Labor MP for spin Valley said it was not a
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: choice between living and dying. It is a choice for
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: terminally ill people about how they die. She said, rejecting
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the bill was not a neutral act. It is a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: vote for the status quo. Notice they're not saying a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: specific thing. It's a vote for pain. It's a vote
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: for torture, it's a vote for anything bad. Just it's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a vote for the status quo. What is the status quo?
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: L Yche clearly the status quo.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Quote in the US, where we don't have a federal
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: right to die, I guess there's some states that do have.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Like doctor Kavorkian years ago, got that started, there's a
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: few states that do have. Yeah, Oregon. But if in Ohio,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: for instance, I don't think we have it here. We
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily say, oh, well, you don't have the right
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to die, therefore we're going to ignore your final wishes.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: If you if you have a you know you can
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: have a do not Resuscitate order. You can actually have
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: it posted in your hospital room. You can have it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: They put a bracelet on you that has d n
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: R on it so that they know that if you
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: code that, they don't traumatize you on your way to
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the other side. So it's not what's this time is
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: quote in the UK do they have do not do
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: not recitate order?
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: They have they have to disabled people specifically.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I thought that might be the case. Or if you
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: have a terminal illness and you know you're going to
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: die anyway, there's there hits a point where trying to
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: resuscitate is just a cruelty, but it's doesn't necessarily mean
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that it's occasing people to death.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I have ificently have that as well on my file.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: It's quite possible and sometimes if people if people are
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: deemed at some point to not be able to make
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: that decision for themselves, so it's often made for them
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: but it is definitely something that like both of my
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: parents when when they got that to the level of
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: illness and and infirmity, that they knew that the next
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: kind of crash they had was not they weren't going
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to survive it. They both went through that process, Mom
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: when she had COVID and Dad when he was in
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the hospital with his injury and he'd already they'd already
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: brought the crash card in and had to resuscitate him
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: once and he didn't want to go through it again,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and he said his heart couldn't take it. Dad had
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: his heart was at twenty five percent effectiveness, though he
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: was really the way that he was looking at it
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: was if they keep trying to do this every time
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: his heart stopped, eventually it wasn't going to work, but
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: they would keep traumatizing him over and over again with it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: There's a point at which you stop arguing with God
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and you go home.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And that was that was pretty much the way he
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: what the way he put it when he decided to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: get the DNR bracelet, which I was opposed to it
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: until I really understood. I really didn't understand until after
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: everything was over. But because he was still capable. I
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't overwrite it, and wouldn't have tried, because he really
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: was still capable. But a lot of a lot of
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the time, you know, the status quo is, we're not
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: going to force you to live if you are dying
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: a natural death, if you are dying, because it's your time, right.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So what they're saying here is the a vote for
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: the status quo. When they're saying a vote for the
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: status quo, what they are saying is a vote for
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: not killilling people. Rejecting the bill is not a neutral
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: act to vote for not killing people. That doesn't sound
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: quite as it's a vote for the status quo. That's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: such double speak, and it fills me with despair to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: think MP's could be in here, could be here in
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: another ten years time, hearing the same stories. Terminally ill
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: people and families were in the public galleries watching the debate,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and at a rally in Parliament Square. Dame Esther Ranson,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: terminally ill with lung cancer, whom I hope I didn't
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: butcher her name, whom star War promised you, oh good,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: promise you would make parliamentary time to debate the bill,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: said she had never quite believed it would come to pass.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It won't come in my lifetime. I won't live long enough,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: but I am so relieved it will help future generations
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: to look forward to a good death. I am astonished
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I have lived to see the moment.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: She said.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So here's where they're they're definitely promoting it. They're quoting
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the pros, not not necessarily so much the cons, but
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: they're they're quoting the pros, and they're talking about it
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: as if like nobody questioned the status quo thing right,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: and they're they're commenting it as if it is a
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: battle to do the right thing against people who don't
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: want to do the right thing. If you're either for
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: pro right thing or anti right thing, but you're not
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: pro wrong thing. Notice, there is no wrong thing they
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: can describe except status quo. So they go on with.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Concerns were raised by this ability. Activists who held a
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: protest outside Parliament, and MPs opposed to the bill made
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: passionate please that it would lead to people being coerced
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: into ending their lives early. The Bishop of London, Sarah Malayley,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: a former Chief Nursing Officer for England, said that it
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: would be a service introduced amid multiple risks to the
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: most vulnerable, including serious shortfalls and social and palliative care.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: So for anybody that doesn't know and doesn't want to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: look it up, palliative cares that the care that that
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about a little earlier with with regard to hospice.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: They come in and provide care to somebody who is
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: on death storstep or on their deathbed.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Basically, that's that's the cat that my uncle was safe.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's basically supposed to remove as much
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: of the suffering as possible from your death, and it's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: supposed to help your family so that they're not struggling
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: as much with the situation. One of the issues is
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that it is it is an angelic job. There aren't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: very many people who are capable of doing it. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: if even if they are burnout is it hits you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: harder in types of care where you're you're losing people,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and it hits you harder in types of care where
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you see people fade. So if you get really burned
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: out in er, you get really burned out working in
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: nursing homes, and you get really burned out in palliative
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: care because of that, there's a shortage of workers in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that area, like all those areas, and so you end
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: up in a situation where there aren't enough people to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: go around and everybody's overworked. So there's one shortfall, right
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the next one they're gonna mention here. It does not
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: prevent terminally ill people who perceive themselves to be a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: burden to their families and friends from choosing assisted dying,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: she said. And it would mean that we become a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: society where the state fully funds a service for terminally
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: ill people to end their own lives, but shockingly only
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: funds around one third of palliative care. So people are
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: being people in need of paliative care are being denied
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: funding by a system that pays for medical care. Universal
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: health Care is telling them, no, you can't have palliative care,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: or you aren't getting a full assistance with your palliative care,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: but they'll pay to kill you. This is one of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the big fears, and it's something that's been happening in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Canada where people are denied coverage for health care that's treatable,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: or for health conditions that are treatable, mental health conditions
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: and things like that that aren't terminal, but then they're
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: allowed to go through with medical assisted death, and that's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: happened in Oregon as well. Opening debate for those opposed
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to the bill. Opening the debate for those opposed to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the ability for Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said he was
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: an atheist but had rejected the bill because he believed
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the right safeguards were not in place. So this is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: something that we have to hope has changed, because if there,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: if there are not safeguards in place, a bill like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: this could allow somebody who is experiencing depression with suicidal
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: ideation to act on that ideation and use the state
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: mechanism to make it happen. We were promised the gold standard,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: a judicially underpinned set of protections and safeguards, he said,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: citing concerns from professional bodies, including the Royal College of Psychiatry.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I disagree with Ledbetter's assessment that it is now or never,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: and it is this bill or no bill, and that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: to vote against this at third reading is a vote
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to maintain the status quo. None of those things are true.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: So here's where we're gonna get off track a little bit.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: One of the stories my parents told me when I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: was growing up, was how the state that we live
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: in and the country that we live in ended up
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: with such powerful teachers unions. School teachers' unions. There is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: a thing that the authoritarian left does with bills, laws,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: changes to the structure of your society, that I'm sure
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the right probably does it too. But this is an
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: interesting point is this happens unions. This happens with laws
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and policies, It happens with curriculum and education, it happens
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: with everything that they want to get done. They will
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: blunt force attack, brute force attack, like they're trying to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: figure out your password with We're going to reintroduce this
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and we're going to take a
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: vote on it over and over again until it passes.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: And we're not going to determine that it's a settled
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: issue until we get enough people to vote for it
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: that it passes.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: That's not that they don't just bill mmm.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: So the one thing that they do is they change
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the wording of what they're doing. Another thing they do
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is they'll change the rules on the vote, for instance,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, to get the teachers' unions in so that
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Ohio is a closed shop in the public education system.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: You cannot you have to be in the union to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: be part of the education system, or rather, you can't
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: be involved in a competing service like a professional association.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: They had the teachers in mass vote on this over
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and over again and could not couldn't get all of
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the school systems to agree. So they went to an
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: individual vote. But instead of voting on, you know, each
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: school system whether they would become part of a union
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: or not, they had the individual vote vote whether the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: entire state would you nied or not. And the urban
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: areas they were able to take, they didn't bother with
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the rural areas. So the professional association that the teachers
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and the school system that I grew up in were
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: a part of ended up having to be dissolved because
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: the urban school teachers outvoted the rural school teachers and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: forced the union on every public school in the state.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And what they did in the state, the National Education
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Association did throughout the country, and so every state deals
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: with the NEA. And they did that, they voted on
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: it every year for like ten years or something, and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: then they never voted on it again. And businesses get
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: hit with the same thing union votes. They'll push a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: vote every year until they get a majority yes for
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the union, and then the employees are unionized and the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: company has to deal with it or close up shop
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and move and then after that they never vote again.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: And it's been my opinion that like labor unions, teachers' unions,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: all of that, they should just have a vote every
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: year regardless. They should never stop voting every year. If
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the workers are no longer satisfied, then the union no
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: longer has a hold on that business. But that's not
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: how they do it. And with these these laws, I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: think most legislation should get revisited, and you know, Violence
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Against Women Act has to be revisited. I think every
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: two years they have to reauthorize it. And there's always
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: the possibility that they could say, no, we're not going
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: to reauthorize. Right now, you have two guyinocentric sides of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the political fence arguing over the the color of the bill.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it's pink, No, it's light red. Right, That's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: that's basically it. But as more and more of the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: mainstream becomes aware of men's issues, there might be bigger
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: changes come along. They might degender it that would piss
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: the feminists off something awful. There might be other things,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: but it expires if they don't reauthorize it. The budget
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: has to be redone every year. Why shouldn't something like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: this have to be revisited annually? How many people are dying? Well,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: why are they dying? What's the statistics on this? What's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the let's debate? Is this law really the way that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: we want it to be? Should we change it? Should
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: we eliminate it? Should we make it extremely strict and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: keep the extremely strict version.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: And and it should be that way. It should not
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: be something that they vote in and then and then
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: it's just there forever. But that seems to be what
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: happens with a lot of and a lot of the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: times you get lifetime politicians, people that enter the Senate
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: in their thirties and die on their way to their
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: last Senate meeting that just rubber stamp everything that's already
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: been passed. So people have to be very politically active,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: and it definitely has to be something that needs to
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: be revisited with like with VALA, it's every other year.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: With with something like this, as as it's life or
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: death right, it should at least for the first ten years,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: be revisited annually, and then after that, if you haven't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: tweaked it enough that it doesn't need revisited again, it
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: should be abandoned. Well, we can't get we can't get
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: this straight, so let's dump it. We're not gonna have
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a law like this anymore. And after that maybe maybe
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: they can revisit it once every five to ten years.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, that's just my opinion. Politicians on the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: other hand, some of them are saying it's now or
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: never because they don't know that people will will ever
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: approve it. You got to approve it now so that
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: we can stop talking about this right. The cabinet was
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: deeply split on the legislation. Cabinet members to join Starmer
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: voting in favor included Rachel Reeves, that Uh Cooper, John Healey,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Liz Kendall, Pat McFadden, Heidi Alexander, ed Milliband, Steve Reid
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and Peter Kyle.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Retarded communists missed out being Prime Minister because he bacon
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: signs probably.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh gosh, that's really bad. How can you not
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: eat a bacon sandwich properly?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: He's a very awkward man. Yeah, he's a politician. What
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: are you gonna do?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Uh? Among those opposed were Angela Rayner, Bridget Phillipson, John
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Reynolds, West streeting she shabana mood and is it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: my mood?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Jones, all regarded communists opinion discarded. I just want
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: to I want to hear what any of these politicians
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: feel about the death penalty when it questions when it
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: comes to you know, mass murderers and mass rapists and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: mass gang rapists, like do they think any of them
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: should be subjected to death? Or or or just Grandma
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: when she has a fucking bruise on a hip? Like
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: when when is? When is death an acceptable outcome? Is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: it the people who pose the danger to others? People
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: who absolutely do not post the danger to others. It's weird,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: isn't it.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Albert Nada Retro gave us five dollars Canadians that actually, Hannah,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: unions have elections and if you aren't happy with the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: people running things, they can vote in new people. There
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you go, That's not what I was talking about. That's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: how democracy works, he says. No, democracy is if you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: have to vote on whether or not to have a union.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Once after the union is in, you don't stop on
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: voting on whether or not to have a union. That's democracy.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: If you can only vote on who gets to be
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: your master, you're still a slave if you can only
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: vote on who gets to skim. This is why you
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: don't argue with an en cap about stuff like this.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I disagree with it the same reason that I disagree
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: with having a government right. I don't like the idea
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: that we're voting new people in here either. I don't
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: think there should be people in. I don't think there
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: should be cute computers in. I don't think there should
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: be any calculating thing in. There shouldn't be an inn
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: burn the in down, No, don't do that. But I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: don't think that it should exist. We have to work
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: with it because it does, and you deal with the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: way things are not the way you want them to be.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: But I feel the same way about unions as I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: do about the government, because they are still an authoritarian system.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: They decide who gets to work and who doesn't. Yes, Michael,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: yes I am, but not a communist. I think that's bullshit.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: The labor peer Charlie Falconer will take over. Oh yeah,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I did read that. Okay, we'll take over shepherding the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: bill through the Lords, with backing from conservative peers Michael
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Forsyth and the former Scottish Secretary Alistair Jack. For the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: gen xers listening Alistair, this would be of course Americans
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: that grew up watching Nickelodeon. You should Should the bill
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: pass the Lords, there will be no provision in place
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: for a number of years. Really, it takes that long.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very slight process.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Wow. See that's it's different. It takes it doesn't take
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: that long. Usually, if a bill passes the House and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the Senate here in the US, it gets sent to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: the President's desk, and once the president has had an
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: opportunity to have you know, his his advisors go over it,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: and he understands that it's it either gets signed into
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: law or he vetoes it. If he vetos it, then
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: they can still override that veto with I believe it's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the two thirds majority, which is they have a rough
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: time getting fifty one percent on a lot of stuff.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: But it can be done. It can happen. It has
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I think once in the past at least. But it's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: a possibility, not likely.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: A prime minister has more power than a president. Believe
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: it or not. It's like a party in a constitutional
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: monarchy has more power than a party in the republic.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, it just takes ages. It's much like the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: health system in America. It will cost you an arm
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and a leg. In Britain, it will cost you nothing,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: but it will take years.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Well and and then if it costs you nothing, who
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: does it cost.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it'll cost you your taxes. It'll cost you everything.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: That's that's the ultimate question. This is again and cap uh.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Nothing is free, and I think the government does for
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: anybody is free because you're paying taxes to fund that ship.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: So that's that's one of the reasons why people who
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: have no likelihood, you know, in their family, of anybody
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: being terminally ilse to have a stake and a bill
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like this, even if the possibility is vanishingly remote, your
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: tax dollars are going to pay for it. There was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: a huge debate.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: For years a pounds mm hmm.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: It makes your money sound heavy. Here in the United States,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: there's been a big debate going on for years about
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: whether the government should be supporting organizations that perform abortions
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: because slightly more than half of the public some years
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: and slightly less than half of the public other years,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: but overall I think historically has been slightly more than
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: half our pro life. They oppose at the very least
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: elective abortion. And if you define pro life as an
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: individual who opposes elective abortion but supports it in circumstances
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: where it's necessary to prevent the death of the mother
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: due to complications of the pregnancy, it's well more than
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: half the public. If you throw in circumstances where the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: there's been a DNA test or something in the fetus
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: is going to be profoundly disabled and suffer and die,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: it's an even larger majority bits into the pro life
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: And if you throw in tolerance for abortions in the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: case of rape, most people are pro life. If you
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: had a law that with outlaw abortion except under those circumstances,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: most of the public would support it. I'd be the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: only pro lifer that is out there going No, we
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: should get women to stop having abortions on their own,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: even though I don't think they will.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Control.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they see it as a form of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: man control. Albert Nata Retro gave us another ten dollars
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and says Part one, By the way, I'm disgusted with
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the misuse of assistant suicides. It sure does give you
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Americans an excuse to ignore the tyrannic adventures of Orange Hitler.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Your imaginary friends are not my problem. Albert Albert Nada
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: retro gave us twenty dollars and said Part two are
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: annex Canada, annex Greenland, kidnap A president and his first
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: lady demanded the leader of another country stepped down live
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: about the Gordie Howe Bridge and Canada's involvement in Afghanistan.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: We get it. You watch CNN, you don't vet your
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: news stories. But none of this is about Trump. It's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: a we're discussing a UK law. So your Trump derangement
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: syndrome is effectively diagnosed by bringing Trump up in a
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: live stream that isn't even about him. That's pretty sad.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I still have one Trump hat that somebody got me
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: an icmi.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny. Do people get mad at you for
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: it in the UK?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: I don't wear it books that they'll get beaten up.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. People told me that because I'm
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: in an urban area, I would have that problem. So
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: during the COVID crisis, just to really piss people off,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I got a mask, like one of those cloth masks
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: that doesn't do jackshit, that had Trump on the written
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: on the front of it. Wore it all over Beaver Creek,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: which is real close to the Dayton border. It's it's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: a suburb. In between Beaver Creek and Dayton is another
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: suburb called Riverside. Were it all around Riverside, wor it
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: all around Hubert Heights, which is to the north of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Dayton and Beaver Creek and Riverside. No problems whatsoever. Sa
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: I got courageous and I went into Dayton wearing it.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Still no problems, not even in a downtown. Nobody said
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: a damn word. Nobody cared like here. This is an
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: area that's much more diverse and opinions than people think.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the cities that are
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: not La or New York or anything anything like that,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: any big stupor blue cities. I think most mid size
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: and smaller cities are a lot redder than people think.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Most of the neighborhoods in this area are pretty red.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Trump signs were everywhere during all three of the last
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: three elections or for as I like Beaver Creek, I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: just don't like driving there. I think I made a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: song about that on a on an ai app. I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: put that out a little while ago. So four years.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: The government and NHS have four years to implement the bill,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: though Ledbetter has said she hoped it would be ready sooner.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: They can't start killing people soon enough, guys. There are
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: no answers as yet to whether as to whether the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: NHS would provide the service or private providers, whether it
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: will be free at the point of use. Now this
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: is this leads me to a very serious question, all right,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: So Mike and Richard, if it takes up to four
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: years to implement a bill after it's been passed by House,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: by both houses and signed by the Prime Minister, what
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: happens if they decide that it's a bad law and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: they want to repeal it. Does it take up to
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: four years to get rid of it after that?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: It's never happened before.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: But yeah, it takes a long time, and I think
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: it's up to four to five years and told them
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: that's insane.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: It depends what the bill does. If it makes the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: lives of British natives worse, they'll speed it through as
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: quickly as they can. Yes, that's what happened with the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: with the jabs.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the online say the online Safety bill.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: What if they get an extreme amount of pushback from people,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: What if it becomes like.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, they still they don't care.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: It depends if they can just say, no, all of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: your complaints are racist, then none of those complaints matter.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: If they can say all of your complaints are misogynist,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: then none of those complaints matter.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: So imagine for a second that they get to a
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: point whatever has happened after the bill has passed, convinces
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: enough of the Members of Parliament and the members of
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: the House of Lords Lords that this bill needs to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: be repealed, and so they debate it for however long
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: they have to debate it to do that, and decide
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: to repeal the bill, and each of the House's votes
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: to repeal the bill and the bill to repeal or
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: repeal the law, the bill to repeal the law goes
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister's desk and gets signed. How long
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: does it take them to enact the repeal ge that's insane,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: So they would continue to kill people for that amount
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, See if the President signed into law
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: something that says we are now going to outlaw assisted
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: suicide in the United States. After an assisted suicide bill
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: had passed, we are repealing the assisted suicide law, and
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: it's now illegal. As soon as it was it was confirmed,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: it was on the books, it would be enforceable.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: But that's anatic i fugal Senate and Congress.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's before it's signed and on the books.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: It goes through Congress and the House of Representatives in
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: the Senate and then goes to the President's desk and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: he signs it. But once he's signed it, that's it.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: There isn't any further to do, Like it gets put
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: into actual into the actual records, and it might get
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: communicated to the states and communicated to the law enforcement agencies,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: but it's law. After it's been signed, it's that's it.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: That's day one. There's no two year waiting period, there's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: no nothing that it takes them that long term. Implement it.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: As soon as it is in place, it's in place.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: The only time that's not the case is if the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: law says that the government has to do something like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to make a department for something and and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: that department has to do things. Then it's going to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: take the amount of time it takes to create a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: business basically to build. They may even have people in
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: mind for it already, but there would still be some
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: time that would it would have. And yeah, unless the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: bill has a clear defective date of enforcement, like they
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: might say this starts starting January first of next year,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: this is the law, and then it will start that day.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: But otherwise it's immediate, the same thing when Supreme Court
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: rules on something.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Parliament works very slowly.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Zor wow, I thought the speed of government here was slow.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Je repete.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Again, it depends on the outcome for the British people.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: If it makes life better for us, it will take
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: infinite years and it will never happen. If it makes
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: life worse for us, they'll fast track it and it'll
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: be done in sixty seconds. You know what I mean.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it goes on. By the way, Thomas Cook,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: thanks for reminding me about the effective data enforcement. I
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: didn't mean to not mention you. Let's see, it goes
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: on termally ill patience. The prognosis of six months will
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: have to be of sound mind to proceed. But MPs
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: rejected an amendment that would have prevented anyone from accessing
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: the service on the basis of feeling too much of
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: a burden to loved ones. Well, and I looked at
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: the bill. They don't actually have to be of sound
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: mind either. It looks like if you are not of
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: sound mind, someone else can make the decision on your
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: behalf or assess your interest in it and agree with
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: you or disagree with you. Like they get veto power.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: There will be criminal sanctions on any family member found
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: to be coercing someone to choose to hasten their deaths.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Through the debate, proponents of the bill sought to argue
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: that MP's could not allow the status quo to persist.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: They keep using that term quo, status quote. Status quo
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: is just the way things are right now. That's what
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: that means. Status quo is the current status. Like right now,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the status quo is that in the United States is
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: if your income is under a certain level, the government
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: will help you buy food for at least a certain
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: period of time. That's the status quo.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: And right now in the UK, the status quo is
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: don't kill people. And that's what we need, what we
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: need to undo. But once the status quo is do
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: kill people? But like, oh, we have to maintain the
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: status quote. It's what we've always done. It's the right
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: thing to do.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but yeah, status quo can mean just any
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: current thing. That is, so if I were to challenge
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the left on the idea that the status quo is bad,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: that would be the status quote. Okay, well, the current
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: status quo in welfare is if you are under a
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: certain income level, you get assistance for a period of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: time under certain conditions. Should we eliminate that because it's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: the status quo? Albert Adaretro gave us another ten dollars.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Canadian said, I guess you forgot. I was a Canuck
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: for Trump every time he ran. I have a video
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: explaining it. Thing is, TDS goes both ways. Okay, you
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: already don't understand TDS right there, and you're at the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: he other extreme. I don't have cables, so I can't
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: watch the NN. No. Trump derangement syndrome isn't about whether
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: you love or hate Trump. It's about being obsessed with Trump.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: You have it. You can't talk about anything but Trump.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: This conversation that we're in right now isn't about Trump,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: and you're upset because it's not about Trump. That bothers you.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: But this is a very important issue. Male suicide is
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: a very important issue, and a law that allows the
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: medical establishment to start suiciding people for you know, at
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: their own request, can be very dangerous, especially if the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: UK goes the same route as your country did and
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: starts suiciding people with depressions so they don't have to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: pay for prozac or therapy. The Labor MP David Burton
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Samson said his Christian beliefs had meant he was initially
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: against assisted dying, but the exertions from constituents who had
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: described their loved ones dying and excruciating pain had persuaded
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: him to support it. See this is this is where
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: it gets difficult for me. There are conditions where I
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: can understand somebody wanting to have an assisted death, and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I can understand exactly why you know that they would
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: they would want to escape what's coming when when they know,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: based on their diagnosis, how bad it's going to be.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: When you get a diagnosis and you find out that
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: in your future, even if you just find out there's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: a very high risk of something awful. You'll go through
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a grieving process and then you
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: start bargaining, and part of that might mean you start
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: living more healthy, but also part of that you develop
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: a magical thinking. Right, you go through half your life
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: and you get a die diagnosis like that, you might
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: you might think, well, if I do all the right
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: things now, maybe it won't happen, right, Maybe I won't
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: lose my kidneys like my dad. But that's not the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: way it always works.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: You start looking at symptoms. Maybe maybe I won't have
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: strokes like my grandma, But that's not the way it works.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Every time you lose your keys. After that, you're like, oh,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: has it started. And so if you get a terminal diagnosis,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: and the terminal end of it is known to usually
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: be very painful, the level of dread that comes with
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: that is going to be significantly higher. And it would
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: look very promising and very tempting to just hit the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: escape button and and not have to deal with that.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: I think most people would see that escape button very
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: differently from inside that situation then they see it from
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: outside that situation.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people kill themselves. I don't get
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: I don't get how difficult this is. I mean, you
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: could say once once someone is so deep into a
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: terminal illness that they want to kill themselves and they're
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: no longer of sound mind, especially if it's something like
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: Alzheimer's or something that they can't they can't be trusted
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: with their own lives. But putting the government in charge
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: of this does does nothing to solve this problem because
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: because it's just passing the buck onto onto someone else,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: who's who's making these medical decisions. If anything, it should
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: be up to the family. Ideally, it should be up
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: to the person to decide when they take their life
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: and by what means they take their life. And I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: suppose that's when it becomes difficult because general members of
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: the public aren't allowed access to any weapon or drug
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: that could it could be instrumental in ending their lives.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I get I get that. This is this
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: is a weird twist in the situation where if if
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: if members of the general public were allowed access to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: weapons or drugs that could kill themselves, then they they
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: might do it when when when they don't need to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: do it. But if you're not solving this by by
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: putting the government in charge of it. You just take
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: making freedom away from people when it comes to their
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: own lives and their own bodies, and taking freedom away
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: from the family members of whoever that person is. And
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the happy medium is. I guess
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: when a person is in the last six months of
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: terminal illness, maybe they can plead with the government to
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: give them the necessary drugs or something. But I guess
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: that could be could be corrupted too. But nothing's more
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: corruptible than the government, is what I'm saying for all
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: of these options when it comes to giving people the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: rights and the permissions over their own bodies. I mean,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: it's it's no better if you if you pass the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: buck onto the government, as though the government is it
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: was a better arbiter of when a person should live
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: than the person themselves or or or their family members.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: It just.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to solve any problems. It doesn't seem
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: to make any sense when you could simply give people
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: the legal right to take their own lives in whatever
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: way they see fit. And yeah, people are people are
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: going to argue that they're not going to do it properly. Well,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: maybe the government's not going to fucking do it properly either, Like.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Any authority is gonna they're not going to have your
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: best interests in mind. They're going to have their best
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: interests in mind. And at the absolute kindest, their best
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: interest won't be you individually. It will be the population
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: that they're an authority over and uh, at the at
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: the worst, it'll it'll be their financial bottom line or
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: some sort of prejudice or combination of both. MHM with
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: chronic pain care, as a family member of a few
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: patients with severe, debilitating chronic pain, lifelong chronic pain, it
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: was going to get worse over the course of their
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: lives and never go away. I watched it go from
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: we'll pay for physical therapy if it's effective and prevents
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: it from getting worse.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Will only pay for physical therapy if you're going to
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: get better and recover for not permanently, just you have
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: to do that temporarily and then you got to permanently
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: be better. But well, we'll cover your pain meds to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: we don't cover physical therapy. That's on you. But we'll
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: give you all the drugs you need to. These drugs
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: are expensive, I mean dangerous, and we have to limit
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: how much you can take.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: To.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: These drugs are expensive, I mean dangerous, and we have
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: to severely limit how much you can take to. These
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: drugs are expensive and I mean dangerous. We got to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: get you off these drugs. We're not gonna do anything
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: else for you. And it's too late for the physical
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: therapy because it's been twenty or thirty years and now
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: you can't really benefit from it anymore. There's damage that's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: been done by the medications that we gave you. Sorry,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: you're just out of luck. You're gonna have to learn
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: to live with the pain now that it's it's ten
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: times worse. I don't have any faith in the insurance
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: system turning around then and covering pain meds for people
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: with terminal illnesses. They're going to turn around and say, no,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: we'll cover your death. Well, we'll cover a third of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: your death. The rest is on your family. I don't
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: think this would do well in the United States, and
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how things are in the UK, but
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: two thirds of the opiate epidemic here in the US,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: at least two thirds, probably more like five sixths of
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: it is oncologists and other doctors that treat conditions that
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: cause chronic pain being prosecuted for prescribing medications to treat
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: their clients their their patients health symptoms.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Fentanyl isn't that bad. I mean, yeah, see.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: They're not going after it on the street as effectively
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: as they go after it in the doctor's office and
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: in the pharmacy. And they go after the patients too,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: And then they make you go to a pain clinic,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: and then they go after the doctor in your pain clinic,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: and then they make you go to rehab like that's
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: and and of course you have to pay for it.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: What's opioid? Is it like fentanyl?
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Opioids? There anything that comes from the poppy the specifically,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's the California poppy, one of the flowers
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: that I am severely allergic to, the entire plant.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: It includes it includes morphine, heroin, uh, fentanyl, methadone, which
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: is what they give you to get off of heroin.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: And I think there's I think there's another opiate.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: Is that why I went to Afghanistan? Allegedly?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Well, the Taliban was growing it and selling it here.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: That's the before fentanyl, there was a heroin trade here
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: in the US that was really out of control. And
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: that was coming from Afghanistan.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: That was with the French connection and Vietnam.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Yep so, and a lot of it's just basically about money.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't, then they would be focusing on the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: street drugs, but they're not. They're focusing on the doctor's offices.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: We got a super chow that I missed at eight
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: eighteen pm. I apologize for that. We got fifty dollars
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: from the official reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube who said,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: just to clarify for doc if it doesn't detail derail,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: reverse traditionalism just refers to the gender traditionalism that we
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: know only really started in the nineteen fifties when moms
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: started staying at home, or from two hundred and fifty
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: years ago when the Tender Years made the mother get
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: custody in the divorce. Reverse trad is stay at home
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: dads to oh Okay to protect custody and anti feminism,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: if not the gender neutral values of trad too, like monogamy,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: feminists don't actually support stay at home dads because they
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: are the ones talking about how women supposedly suffer greater
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: rates of domestic stick abuse in those relationships. Allison said
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: it might be necessary in the context of ninety percent
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: or more jobs going to women in certain fields nowadays.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the long thing. So I don't know, Mike,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: if you want to respond to that, unless you're not
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: in Mike must have gone out for a cigarette.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's figure up, right, So just.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Just on a side note, trad cons. What trad cons
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: have wrong is this idea that there was a before
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: and after with women working. That's not where the division was. Okay,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: there was an upper class and a lower class. In
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: the upper class, in the wealthy and what might be
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: considered upper middle class. Now, back then there was there
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: was you know, women could have careers in things like
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: writing or uh you know, artwork. They might even become tutors.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: They might do other prestigious things. But they didn't necessarily
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: go out and earn a living to support their family.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: They did things for their own prestige or because they
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: had some degree of creativity or drive to do something,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: and that was it. They didn't have to earn money.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: They had they had the support of a husband that
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: earned plenty of money enough to make them comfortable. Then
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: in the lower classes, like lower middle class to poor,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: you had women working because they had to, right there
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: was no before women worked for poor people. You would
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: be somebody's uh cook, or you would clean how clean house.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: For wealthier women, possibly those women that are writing novels
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: or doing tutoring at some wealthier person's home, governesses might
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: be a higher, higher income level unless they're really young,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe traditionalism versus anti traditionalism is something of
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: a false dichotomy. Yeah, Like maybe there's a middle ground,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: like in some kind of mutual dowry or where where
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: both parties in a marriage have to have to offer, ah,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: some work and some stay at home stuff. I don't know,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: and I know that sort of plays into this whole
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: scam where now men and women both have to work
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: jobs just in order to raise a small family. But
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: at the same time, what are we going to do
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: with all these useless children pretending to be adult women?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: That's the difficult question, isn't it.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: It's reached a fever pitch and something has to be
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: done to make sure that women are fucking doing something.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Women are proving their worth in the world, because we're
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: at a point where women don't have to prove ship
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: to anyone and men have to prove everything, and yeah,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: that could be called traditionalism. It could be called all
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: kinds of things, like feminism is just hyper traditionalism. Well,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: feminism is just hyper gines centrism, and gnes centrism is
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: just hyper traditionalism. And then you have to go well,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, some traditions make sense because they
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: have a track record, and some traditions don't make any sense.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: It's just a ritual that we've been doing for ages,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: despite it making everything worse. And it's difficult to pin
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: anything down because in the last thousand years of romantic chivalry,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: where men have been coerced into doing obscene amounts of
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: work just in order to be a man. But in
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: this environment where men have to do that made quite
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: astonishing leaps and bounds in technology. And you know, for
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: all the complaints we make about what modern life is like,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: the technology that men have produced in the last thousand
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: thousand years or so has made life so much easier.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: And I just think we could possibly move into a
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: world where men do that for their own benefits, for
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: the benefits of everyone, rather than just for the benefit
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: of women. And I think we've I think we've gone
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: far enough. We've reached the point where we've created machines
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: that can do almost every job that the human beings
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: could do. And I think at this point we can
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, you know, you know that free
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: past that we give to women, maybe we can give
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: it to men as well. Maybe maybe we put men
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: in charge of these of these AI machines that can
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: they can do everything that we want did, And that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: way we can appreciate men and what they've been able
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: to do and what they're still able to do without
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: overappreciating women and all the things they're capable of doing
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: that that men can't do. Like, yeah, and this goes
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: back to to Hannah's now infamous tweet what can women
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: do that men can't? What valuable thing can women do
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: that men can't do? Other than gestation? And yeah, maybe
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: maybe in light of all that, it's it's time to
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: change things up a bit. Maybe men, Maybe women are
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: no more valuable than men.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: Imagine that now, if women aren't giving birth, what else
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: what else have we got? That's and and the thing is,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody got mad at me as if I
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: came up with that idea myself. I was responding to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: a woman who was angry at another uh Twitter user,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: another poster on x that I'm assuming was a dude
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember the user name, who had said
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: something to the effect of, you know, now women are
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: about to lose the most valuable thing they can do.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: And of course he was talking about the upcoming in
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: the whatever distant foreseeable future artificial uterus artificial womb, which
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: hasn't actually been made usable yet, and she got mad
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: that that was all he valued women for. And it
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: was in response to her that I said, what other
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: valuable thing do women do that men can't? That's all?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I asked? What else? What else should we be valued for?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: What else should men put us up on a pedestal for,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: or even just be glad women are around for. It's
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: not personality. Most women are lacking in that department severely.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: So you can't say companionship. Men can have companionship with
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: other men. You can't say sex because men can get
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: that without another human being. They got machines for that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: So what is it? Literally?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: What's left that you don't have to prove anything and
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: men should just value you? What do you have left?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: The butt hurt in that thread, I think uh the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: tower of butt hurt was taller than the Tower of Babel.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was like that old meme with
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: the the the poop rockets, the two characters just going
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: up into the sky forever on on, more and more poop.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: It just seemed like that. And the more I interacted
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: with women who were expelling butt hurt into the thread,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: the more poop rockets I got from more women expelling
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: more butt hurt into the thread. By the end of it,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: it was like being trapped in the biggest sewer in
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: the entire world. It was amazing. Speaking of poop rockets,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: we got another super chat. Retro gave us five dollars
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Canadian and said, I gotta gear up for this. I
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: gave it a second shot, but you guys suck enjoy
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the last bit of cash you'll ever get from me.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, why he crazy?
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not. It's not unusual. There are some people
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: that cannot have a discussion that is not about Donald Trump.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: That is a problem because there are issues that Donald
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Trump isn't involved in and doesn't have anything to do
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: with and is unaffected by that are important because they
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: affect average men. They affect below average men, they affect
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: wealthy men, They affect whoever isn't in charge, and in
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: particular this this will affect both sexes. Right, But we
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: can't ignore the fact that the majority of suicides are
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: suicide victims, and majority of deaths from suicide are male,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: and the majority of male suicides occur in the context
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: of other men's issues. The fact that disabled men do
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: not get the same compassion from our society that disabled
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: women get.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: Right, it's a struggle can help.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, The fact that men who are injured in the
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: workplace get treated like a problem instead of a patient.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: The fact that when a man is divorced again he
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: gets treated like a problem instead of a parent, instead
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: of an ex husband, he gets treated like a bank
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: And these are causing men to want to die. Maybe
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: not in huge numbers, but the majority of people who
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: are deciding to die and then acting on it, three
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: quarters of the people who are deciding to die and
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: then acting on it successfully are men.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we're getting killed by our own governments. Man, Like,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: I love you, Albert, and I get where you're coming from,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: because Trump does seem out of his depth and this
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: iran thing, but sort of killed a few Iranians. I mean,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: compare that with how many fucking Ukrainians have been killed
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: by the previous government and all this shit that's going on.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: There's no US president that hasn't killed a bunch of
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: foreigners for some stupid war or other. But we're getting
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: killed by our own governments.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: Not killing American citizens. Trump has reinforced ice in a way,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: and he's killed two American citizens in the pursuit of
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: trying to get rid of twenty million like criminal non americans.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: But at least he's not killing his own people like
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: here in the UK and over in Canada. We're getting
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: killed by our own government. Then they're barely even hiding
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: it anymore. It's not an exaggeration to say they want
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: us dead. They hate us and they want us dead.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what they're doing, doing exactly what is consistent
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: with the government that hates its own people and wants
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  Speaker 2: them dead. Like Trump's not perfect by any start of
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  Speaker 2: the imagination, but at least he's not killing his own people.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we're talking about. Sorry, dude, this is
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  Speaker 2: really important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And we are going to spend probably at
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  Speaker 1: least three shows on it. I'm looking at this, Let's
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: see how much of this article is left, because I
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: am not going to finish it. It's nine o'clock and
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna call it. This is where we are. And yeah,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: it might take us another whole show to get through that,
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  Speaker 1: so there we go. But in any case, this is
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: a subject though we're going to focus on until we
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: get our comparisons made and everything. And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: there's things that Trump has done. I'm not gonna go
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: through a list, but there's things that Trump has done
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not happy with, and there's things that he's
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  Speaker 1: done that I'm happy with. I don't have a strong
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  Speaker 1: enough impulse to talk about Trump that I think we
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  Speaker 1: need to make a show about it. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he personally is a men's issue because he's not doing
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  Speaker 1: anything that dramatically different or worse, I should say, than
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  Speaker 1: any other president with regard to men. So and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm still waiting to see what's going to happen with
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  Speaker 1: the military actions, because the goal, the stated goal is
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: in the long run, to reduce the need for future
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  Speaker 1: military action. We'll see what happens. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: hold my breath. I think every president that's come along
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  Speaker 1: has said that, and we always have more excuses for war.
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  Speaker 1: So speaking of our governments killing our men with that,
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  Speaker 1: I will say, we'll come back and we'll start with
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  Speaker 1: believe it's we'll just reread this paragraph, we'll reread this part,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll go through the rest as we as
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  Speaker 1: we progress next time. Yes night, motorcyclist. The title nine
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: issues being real along, we're gonna end up having to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that again no matter what as well. But
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: and the that's a more complicated issue than people think too,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: because everybody that's looking at that today is looking at
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: it from the perspective of they they don't like or
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: they do like the transgender population, whether they don't like
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: or whether they do like. They're not looking at it
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: as whether there's a right to single sex spaces or
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: whether there's not a right to single sex spaces. So
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: they're using female victimhood and demonizing men, biological men or
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  Speaker 1: you know, people who identify as men as violent and
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  Speaker 1: dangerous in order to protect single sex spaces just for women.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a long history of women invading single sex
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  Speaker 1: spaces that are just for men, So they're obviously not
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  Speaker 1: afraid of men, because they would do that if they were.
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  Speaker 3: Every time I talked to about that the disingenerous about it,
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  Speaker 3: of course they are.
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  Speaker 1: They always say, well, we're not a threat to them.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's it doesn't matter whether you're a threat to
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  Speaker 1: them or not. If you were afraid of them, you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be going into their spaces, right. They're not afraid
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  Speaker 1: of trans women because trans women are male. They're afraid
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  Speaker 1: of trans women because trans women are abnormal. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people that are abnormal. Geniuses are abnormal. Highly
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: skilled ballerinas are abnormal. Virtuos virtuosos that play like Mozart
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  Speaker 1: at five years old abnormal, and rapists are abnormal. You
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: can't put them all in the same group. Abnormal doesn't
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: mean people are bad. Some bad people will imitate protected
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  Speaker 1: status to get things they want, and it's fair to
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  Speaker 1: suggest that if you have a protected status, you have
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  Speaker 1: to police that. And I would say that the transpopulation
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  Speaker 1: is not doing that effectively at all, and that's to
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  Speaker 1: their detriment. But the idea that women should have protected
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  Speaker 1: spaces because of this tiny population is bullshit. And some
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: of the discussions that have taken place around that are
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  Speaker 1: even worse. It's that again. It goes right back into
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  Speaker 1: this this bill. If we get to a situation where
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  Speaker 1: men are absolutely demonized because of that, and boys are
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: being taught in school that they're dirty and predatory and
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: shouldn't even glance in the direction that a woman might
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: be sitting because the male gaze would pierce her with
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: its laser focus.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember Laura Bates?
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  Speaker 7: Yep, yep, she's she wants to go into the schools
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  Speaker 7: again she has she has the main attendencies towards boys.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's really dangerous. Yeah, yep. We don't need
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: to be sending any adult into the school that might
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: be a PDF file, but we do. We do have
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: to take off. But I guess I'll leave it at this.
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  Speaker 1: If we allow men and boys to be demonized like that,
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  Speaker 1: and our countries are passing laws that allow the government
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: to decide people want to die and then kill them,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into a situation where some people are
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  Speaker 1: going to go along with it. Some men are going
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: to go along with it because they don't have a
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: very good image of themselves. They're raised to believe bad
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: things about themselves that are not true. And by the way,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: the AC is probably mine, but it's been on through
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  Speaker 1: the whole show because I am in Ohio and I
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: can do that if I want. You can report me
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  Speaker 1: to the British police all you want.
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  Speaker 3: Clue.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, but yeah, but if I didn't have the air
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: conditioner on, I couldn't breathe. So there you go. We
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  Speaker 1: will see you guys and next week. Thanks everybody for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, set us, super Chatz, super Chats, super uh
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: whatever they're called from Rubble Rubble Rants. Thanks to all
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  Speaker 1: my co hosts for listening to this and and uh
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: talking about it. This is a difficult subject so and
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a dark focus for a while, but
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  Speaker 1: we really do have to.
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  Speaker 6: Talk about next next round of drill Cup. They just won,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 6: they just won the game.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: I've been helping attention to it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's not bad. That's not bad. That's that's a
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: dude thing. So with that, good night, everybody. We will
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  Speaker 1: see you next Thursday.