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Her View: Meghan McCain shares ALL · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Like people who want to like me already are like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's cool and she's misunderstood, and people that want to
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  Speaker 1: hate me think that like I'm Satan's reincarnation and that
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  Speaker 1: like I'm the worst person that's ever existed. And I
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  Speaker 1: just try and think about all the women that I
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  Speaker 1: admire in all realms, like on television and culture and politics,
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  Speaker 1: and I think interesting women oftentimes are controversial.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Megan McCain right after
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  Speaker 3: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one
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  Speaker 3: following Love and Marriage, DC Hey rain Drops, today's guest
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  Speaker 3: on Reality with the King is one of pop culture's
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  Speaker 3: most controversial figures.
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  Speaker 2: And she just so happens to be one of my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm talking about former co hosts of The View,
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  Speaker 3: Honey Bee and the Only Meghan McCain. In our conversation,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about how we met at a Lady Got
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  Speaker 3: Got concert, Yes, so funny, But we also talked about
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  Speaker 3: her time on the View, her experience being there for
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  Speaker 3: four seasons working alongside Wooby Goldberg, Joy Behar and Sonny Houston. Additionally,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about our love of housewives. She's a huge
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  Speaker 3: fan of Beverly Hills. So we get into the different
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  Speaker 3: treatment we both felt Erica Jane received versus Jen Shawl.
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  Speaker 3: Plus we give our take of the top five greatest
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  Speaker 3: View co host of all time. Baby, without further ado,
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  Speaker 3: let's get into this conversation. I have a funny story
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  Speaker 3: to share as to how Meghan and I met, and
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  Speaker 3: I met Meghan McCain in Las Vegas headed to the
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  Speaker 3: Late God Got Concert. Yes, my partner says to me.
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  Speaker 3: There goes Meghan McCain and I look in front. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, shut the f up. He said, go speak
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  Speaker 3: to her.
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  Speaker 2: So mind you. I don't get starstruck often. I was starstruck.
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  Speaker 2: You were there with Ben, your husband, and your best
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  Speaker 2: friend sie Cup.
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  Speaker 3: And I tapped Meghan and said, I love you.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Meghan could not have been more sweet. We spoke for
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  Speaker 3: a good five minutes. Ben was like, we gotta go,
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  Speaker 3: Lady God was about to start, and from there I
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  Speaker 3: said to her in our quick time, like, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a producer, I do housewives whatever, and we talked about
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  Speaker 3: Candy Carter, who was the then executive producer at the time.
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  Speaker 3: That Monday, I get a text from Candy Carter and
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  Speaker 3: she said, did you meet Meghan McCain. I said yes,
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  Speaker 3: she told me and she said, you were so sweet.
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  Speaker 3: A few weeks later I went to the view It's
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  Speaker 3: a live show. Meghan McCain came out of her dressing
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  Speaker 3: room to say hi to me.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about reality TV and Ebesis.
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  Speaker 3: Then we've been fans of each other and friends, and
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  Speaker 3: I want to go on record saying I got a
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  Speaker 3: chance to meet the human Megan McCain and she could
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  Speaker 3: not be more sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Carlos. I remember all of that obviously in
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  Speaker 1: the first time I met you, and you're you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're very famous in your own right. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 1: the king of reality television for a reason. I've been
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  Speaker 1: messaging you and telling you that I would really like
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  Speaker 1: you to come back to some of my franchises and
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  Speaker 1: fix them please, which I hope at Angie Cohen and
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  Speaker 1: the people at Bravo hear that, because you're needed. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember meeting you again, seeing you again backstage at
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  Speaker 1: the View with Candy Carter, who was the executive producer
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  Speaker 1: of The View at the time, like such a lovely woman,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I remember like just talking about reality TV
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  Speaker 1: and shooting the shit and uh yeah, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: saying that. Sometimes I think, my I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 1: weird because sometimes people like people who want to like
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  Speaker 1: me already you're like, oh, she's cool when she's misunderstood,
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  Speaker 1: and people that want to hate me think that like
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  Speaker 1: I'm Satan's reincarnation and that like I'm the worst person
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  Speaker 1: that's ever existed, and I just try and think about
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  Speaker 1: all the women that I admire in all realms like
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  Speaker 1: on television and culture and politics, and I think interesting
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  Speaker 1: women oftentimes are controversial, and so I just have sort
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  Speaker 1: of come to a place in my life where I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, accept it. That doesn't mean there
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  Speaker 1: are things that are hurtple but I have a pretty
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  Speaker 1: thick skin at this point. And I like when people
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  Speaker 1: like you say nice things, so thank you very much,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, fuck the haters, I guess fuck.
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  Speaker 3: The haters, no, because it's true. And listen, I'm a
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  Speaker 3: black gay man. And it's funny because on paper you
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  Speaker 3: would never think that Meghan McCain and Carlos King.
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  Speaker 2: Would be friends.
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  Speaker 3: And when it comes to politics, you and I do
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  Speaker 3: not talk about politics.
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  Speaker 1: At all, No, not really.
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  Speaker 3: We talk about our love of reality TV. We DM
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  Speaker 3: each other all the time. And for me, I look
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  Speaker 3: at the soul of the woman, in the heart of
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  Speaker 3: a woman, and what I oh, for sure, you like
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  Speaker 3: a Wendy Williams, like the other shock jocks, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: you are controversial because you speak your mind and you
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  Speaker 3: speak your truth and you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't care if it's unpopular. It's your truth.
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  Speaker 3: And what's so interesting is when I talk to people
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  Speaker 3: within my circle about my love for you, ninety nine
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  Speaker 3: percent of them say, oh, I like her.
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  Speaker 2: She's a great addition to the view.
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  Speaker 3: You to the view is sort of like what Lisa
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  Speaker 3: Renna is to Beverly Hill's Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: You do you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those things where that show needed you
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  Speaker 3: because when the view was going through this weird operation change,
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  Speaker 3: right when it was Whoopy and Raven Simone and Michelle
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  Speaker 3: Collins and Rosie Perez and I stopped watching that show
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  Speaker 3: for a couple of years. When you and Sonny Houston
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  Speaker 3: started on that show, it resurrected and they had a
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  Speaker 3: hard time filling the shoes of Elizabeth Hassleback, who I'm
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  Speaker 3: a huge fan of in terms of like a personality.
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  Speaker 3: The ratings went up because of you and Sonny, because
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  Speaker 3: you ushered in a new fan base, You brought in
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  Speaker 3: younger viewers. You and Sonny brought in your own individual
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  Speaker 3: fan bases and a bass. And again, a black gay
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  Speaker 3: boy at my age can listen to Sonny Haws and say, girl, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you, and can listen to Megan and say,
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  Speaker 3: may not agree with you, but I love that you
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  Speaker 3: stand up for what you believe and you do it
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  Speaker 3: in such an interesting way, and I miss that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you miss your time on that show?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, thank you so much for dang
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  Speaker 1: all that. It's very kind. This is tricky because it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like having an ex boyfriend that everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: you broke up with and everyone people are just curious
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  Speaker 1: because it's like such an iconic show, and I get it,
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  Speaker 1: Like I love reality TV, I love gossip. You and
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  Speaker 1: I have conversations offline about gossiping about things that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I want to know about. We're all human.
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  Speaker 2: It was a.
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  Speaker 1: Privilege to be on for four years. I have moved on,
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  Speaker 1: like I really don't. I don't watch the show at all.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really enter my lexicon that often, even just
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  Speaker 1: like the feeds I follow on Twitter and the news
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  Speaker 1: I read and the pop culture I consume, because most
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  Speaker 1: of the pop culture I consume is like it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of housewives and a lot of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: daily mail and stuff like that. So don't watch anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And it's too weird. It would be too weird to watch.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't miss it, and I think it's because
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  Speaker 1: I had such a hard time my last season. It
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  Speaker 1: was a really rough time in my life. I've been
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  Speaker 1: very open in my book about what happens because I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I owed it to give more context to
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  Speaker 1: my experience, because I didn't want people thinking that I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, I'm done. I helped I study
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  Speaker 1: is one of the greatest TV presences, I think in
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  Speaker 1: all of television. Like I have told her that I
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  Speaker 1: think she should host her own show eventually, like like
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that, Like I don't know why I'm
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  Speaker 1: a NBC isn't trying to poach her for like Rachel
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  Speaker 1: Meadows Slot. That's how good I think she is. And
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  Speaker 1: I actually think she's a Really she's by far the
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  Speaker 1: most politically savvy person on that show, at least when
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  Speaker 1: I worked there, and I love that about her. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and extremely like curious in a way that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: find anyone else I worked with like curious just about
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  Speaker 1: different aspects of politics. And I too found that politicians
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  Speaker 1: that came on always wanted to definitely have a question
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  Speaker 1: with me and her, So your instincts on that were
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  Speaker 1: my instincts on that as well, And she's also the
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  Speaker 1: only cast On and Brice still have a relationship with
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  Speaker 1: or whatever that's for.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys are still friends.
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  Speaker 3: And did you guys see each other at the White
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  Speaker 3: House Correspondence dinner.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't, But it was my fault because I don't
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  Speaker 1: love that dinner and I was like talked into it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so I don't mean to sound like an
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  Speaker 1: asshole being like, oh it was directed this black tight dinner.
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  Speaker 1: But I actually didn't know she was going. So had
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  Speaker 1: she I known she was going, traditionally the view women
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  Speaker 1: didn't go. Had I known she was going, I would
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  Speaker 1: have texted her. And then afterward I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: should I missed her? But yeah, like I was actually
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  Speaker 1: messaging her about like a month ago about some like
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  Speaker 1: very personal stuff about motherhood, and I have like such
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  Speaker 1: love for her and I respect her and like do
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  Speaker 1: we talk every day? No, But if she were like
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  Speaker 1: walking into the kitchen right now, I would like hug
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  Speaker 1: her and want to talk to her for like a
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  Speaker 1: few hours. So yeah, she's a really good person and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't demonize me the way a lot of other
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  Speaker 1: people did. Whatever that's worth, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what the view to me is like the Real Housewives.
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  Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is it is strong
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  Speaker 3: women who have an opinion. You sit at a table,
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  Speaker 3: So for the Housewives fans, it's like sitting at a
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  Speaker 3: dinner table and you have to address each other in
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  Speaker 3: your view. And it really is about friendships. And I
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  Speaker 3: really did love the friendship you and Sonny had. I
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  Speaker 3: love obviously the mentorship that would be gay to you
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  Speaker 3: and how that was at that point. Obviously is no
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  Speaker 3: secret that unfortunately you and Whoopee probably don't have the
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  Speaker 3: same relationship like you had when you first entered it
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  Speaker 3: four years ago. When you look back on your time
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  Speaker 3: on that show, is that probably the most saddest thing.
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  Speaker 1: That you left, you know, will be is an American icon,
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  Speaker 1: and she's sort of omnipresent in our culture and in
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  Speaker 1: like everybody loves her. Like people even like the most
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  Speaker 1: conservative politicians that would come on the show would want
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  Speaker 1: to meet her and be starstruck and like kiss her
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  Speaker 1: ass that like want to talk about whatever movies or
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  Speaker 1: you know, shows she had been on that they had watched.
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  Speaker 1: And I will never you know, disrespect her or be
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  Speaker 1: negative towards her. You know, I think I think my
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  Speaker 1: experience on the show suffered a lot. With COVID and ZOOM,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a lot easier to hate someone through
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  Speaker 1: a box and through a screen and to not understand
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  Speaker 1: where they're coming from. I was really pregnant during COVID.
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  Speaker 1: It was really scary. I was living, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: removed from everyone, and then I had really bad postpartum
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  Speaker 1: depression and anxiety and I was like drowning and just
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  Speaker 1: trying to like get my bearings. And I've said this,
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't feel supported in the way that I
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  Speaker 1: had hoped when I came back, and I just felt
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  Speaker 1: like people can't support you when you're struggling in this
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  Speaker 1: kind of a way, then what's the point. And I
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  Speaker 1: can't fake the funk, Like I'm not a bullshitter, I'm
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  Speaker 1: I can't. There are amazing people that can go on
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  Speaker 1: camera and they'll fucking lie to you and pretend to
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  Speaker 1: be someone else and like they're they're brilliant at it,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who make very very
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  Speaker 1: nice livings doing that. I'm not that bitch for you
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  Speaker 1: at all, like at all, wrong woman, And I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: fake it, and I felt like I really felt like
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  Speaker 1: my time had come to an end. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: have like I don't feel like anger or hyper negativity
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  Speaker 1: or anything. I just feel like it's like a chapter
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  Speaker 1: in my life that was complicated and it was really
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  Speaker 1: beautiful in the beginning and it turned out not so
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  Speaker 1: beautiful at the end, but that it was co hosting
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  Speaker 1: a very popular TV show, like no one feels bad
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  Speaker 1: for me, and I don't feel bad for me, and
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  Speaker 1: I wish all of them like truly the best.
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  Speaker 3: You're so missed by the fans of the show who
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  Speaker 3: enjoys good television.
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  Speaker 2: I adore that.
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  Speaker 3: You found yourself and your daughter, and you found yourself
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  Speaker 3: in being a white life, and you found yourself choosing
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  Speaker 3: happiness over you know the purpose of what that show brought,
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  Speaker 3: And now that you're able to focus on that, you
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  Speaker 3: seem to be so much more at peace, which is
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  Speaker 3: why I'm like, well, good, we ain't heard it to
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  Speaker 3: DM all the time. You know, we could talk shit,
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  Speaker 3: But do you miss being on TV? Do you want
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  Speaker 3: to get back on TV? Can we get a show
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  Speaker 3: with you and Ben like Morning Joe? No?
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, we've been pitched that like several times
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  Speaker 1: by several networks and one very very hard, Like one
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  Speaker 1: network in particular was like name your price, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I will die because Ben and I are
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  Speaker 1: like when we disagree politically, which we have a lot,
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  Speaker 1: we're not like despite with some people's on Twitter like
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  Speaker 1: he's much more conservative than I am. And the idea
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  Speaker 1: of having to like, as you know, produce a show
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  Speaker 1: with someone, go on here with someone and then go
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  Speaker 1: home and then like separate it, it's just not possible. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going on TV with that at all. It's
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  Speaker 1: like my nod it's like my idea of the hell,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I was on TV for a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: co hosted a show, a daily show on Fox, and
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  Speaker 1: then I co hosted a show on a network Nobody
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  Speaker 1: Saw with Jacob sober Off. And I did a daily
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  Speaker 1: radio show for three hours a day, all of these
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  Speaker 1: for years since I was like twenty six years old
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thirty seven now, so I've been on air
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  Speaker 1: a long time, and I know that there are some
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  Speaker 1: people that like they have to be on camera, like
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  Speaker 1: so much of their value in life is defined by
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  Speaker 1: how much airtime they get. And I think it's like
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  Speaker 1: a very sad part of the industry. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: miss it. I have been offered things and I just
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  Speaker 1: nothing feels right, nothing feels perfect, And I think I
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  Speaker 1: would have to be in a situation. Ay, I'm never
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  Speaker 1: going to do anything again where it's not fun, because
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  Speaker 1: TV and doing like podcasts and things like this, If
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  Speaker 1: it's not fun, there's no point, especially like post COVID
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  Speaker 1: And I was not having fun the last season of
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  Speaker 1: The View at all, like it was. It was not
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  Speaker 1: a fun experience. And I think television, even when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about politics, should still have like levity in it.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't miss is that weird?
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  Speaker 1: Like The View like was such an apex, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was number one and one in Emmy and we
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  Speaker 1: were on the cover of the New York Times magazine.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know where you go from there.
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  Speaker 3: You are nominated for Amy right now, so congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird. Thank you. It's so weird. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: if we all win together, it's going to be very strange.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to the Ammy's Megan?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not, No, thank you very much. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff anyway. And also it's uncomfortable, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't like it. It's very sad. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: But I am one woman and they are four or
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  Speaker 1: five five now, I don't remember. And because Sarah came
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  Speaker 1: in like halfway through the last season, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point, I think anytime for me, like
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  Speaker 1: anytime there's any kind of like show or anyone in
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  Speaker 1: politics where everyone is just piling onto one person, my
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  Speaker 1: automatic instinct through my experiences is like, well, what are
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  Speaker 1: what are they doing? As well like why are you
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  Speaker 1: targeting one person? And I just you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be in any situations in life right now
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  Speaker 1: as much as I can where I'm uncomfortable and not
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  Speaker 1: kind of a space. So no, I will not be
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  Speaker 1: quick to the I means it's very weird for me
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  Speaker 1: to be dominated with them now. I didn't even I
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  Speaker 1: don't even really get it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I help you win, thank you. Well, No, I
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  Speaker 2: think it has to do with the timeline.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it feels like you've been off the
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  Speaker 3: air for years, and I don't think people understand that
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  Speaker 3: it hasn't been that long. In addition to the fact
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  Speaker 3: that your seat is hard to feel, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that's why we watched well I'll say I when I
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: watched the show now, it's hard to feel that seat
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: because it takes a strong woman to go up against
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: a sunny Hostin and to go up against a Joy Bahart,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: and what you brought there was an element of pop culture.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: You watch reality TV, you love drag queens. And before I.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Move on away from the because we have so much
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: more to talk about, the best moment of the view
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to me while you were on is when you shared
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: on camera that during the Black Lives Matter moment, you
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: talked to Sonny and you wanted Sonny to educate you
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: on what was going on in the world and to
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: have a better understanding about how a privileged white woman
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: can really help out the African American community and to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: sort of see like where your privileged lied.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And when you.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Share that, I thought that was so sweet and it
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: really did show the friendship that you and Sonny had.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: In addition to the fact I remember when Alec Baldwin's wife,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: who faked that she was Spanish, was on the cover
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: of a Spanish magazine. Joy Behart and Sarah Hanks thought
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: it was the funniest thing where you and Sonny Hostin
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: both said no this is wrong. She's taking a moment
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: away from a born and bred Latina woman, and you
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: To stand the privilege.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So when people say things like Megan's a bit, she's racist,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: she's a homophoone, she's a concerned I'm like, you, guys,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: don't watch the show because she's none of those things,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: and I wish people focus more on on that.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying that. I remember both of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: those instances. The summer of the George Floyd you know, murder,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and obviously all the social unrest that happened afterward was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a complicated time to be on air. And I specifically
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: remember when his murder happened, and then we had a
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: long weekend and we had a spring break. I don't
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: remember which one if it was like get a week
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: off or we had four days off. But I talked
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to Sunny because A we are friends, and B whomever
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: ends up working on that show, she's a great resource
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: just for a conversations, to have pre conversations before the show.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Some hosts don't like doing that where they don't want
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to talk beforehand because they think it like save it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: for a camera. She's not like that, Like I spent
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of time in her dressing room, just like
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: talking different a lots of different things out beforehand. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: she was very gracious and I want to know her
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: opinion because she is good. She got her start in
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that space. That's how she originally started out on CNN,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was doing you know, commentary in that space. And then
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I talked to Senator Tim Scott because he had spoken
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: out about it, and he told me a very hard
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: story about him learning as a young child to put
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: his hands and I'm going to butcher this, so excuse me,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: but putting his hands on the steering wheel in a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: certain position, so when he was pulled over by police officers,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it made sure that they could see his hands. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: then he told me that he had been pulled over,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and again he's a center from South Carolina. He had
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: been pulled over. It was something insane like twelve times
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in the past year. And I remember having those two
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: conversations and it really helping illuminated, you know what I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: wanted to say, because there are times in life and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: on television where you just need to listen where it's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: not about talking. Because and I always think when someone
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: is in extreme pain, when there's a group of people
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that are angry and upset and god forbid, feel that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: there is nothing else that they can do except resort
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to violence because people are not hearing them. Shut up
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and listen to what they have to say, period And
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that was one of those moments where I just felt
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: like it was the most important for me to hear
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't fully understand. Now I do, but at
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the time I didn't fully understand everything. And then I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: think you have to take moments to educate yourself in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: life in general, but I think particularly when you have
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the responsibility of being on television. And I remember the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Hilario Baldwin thing. There were a lot of moments like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that on the show where you know, I don't like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Hilario Baldwin, none of it is my vibe at all
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in general before the scandal, and then I think cultural
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: appropriation is such a big issue right now. And again
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: she was taking space on television, in media, on magazine
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: covers from Hispanic and Latino women who just aren't represented
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and the way that they should be. And you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know this stat's off the top of my head,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: but I do know that like the representation of white
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: women versus Hispanic and African American women and Asian women
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: is much less, so I don't I never liked any
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of it, and I do think there was sort of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: That's what's tricky about daytime TV specifically. The view is
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like sometimes people just it's so heavy, they just wanted
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: to make a joke, and I never wanted to make
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a joke. And Sonny to her doesn't really do that either,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at least when I was on, And yeah, I remember that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And I still don't think there's anything funny about Hilarry Baldwin.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I still don't think she should like I don't think
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: she'd be like railroaded out of life. But I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we forget too easily this like very bizarre way that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: she has presented herself to the world, like because she
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: was from Spain.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Megan.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after some quick ads. This is
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Reality with the King and I'm carlinos King. Let's get
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: back into my conversation with Meghan. I was mad last
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: week when this a hole went on Twitter to talk
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: crap about you.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And let's go for the record. You have a book
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: called bab Republican.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: One thing I know about people, Megan, the truth doesn't
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: get as much pressed as a lie. So because I
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: follow you on social media, I already knew you had
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the Audible version of this book for months, if not
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: a year before the book was released, and it had
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of great reviews. So when people started making
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: jokes like, oh, her book only sold two hundred copies,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: is like, guys, she had an exclusive deal with Audible
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and it became popular to use that to diminish you.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And then this a hole decided to say these crazy
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: things about you. Oh, I kicked her off of her
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: father's jack use. She was being a brat, Like why
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: is this man attacking this woman in this way?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Like how did you feel when that was going on?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I told you yesterday, like it's been a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: very taxing time, but I'm tough. I really have like
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: skin like rawhide. At this point, the book thing has
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: been range just because it came out seven months ago,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and I actually had, like you said, I had an
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: exclusive contract with Audible where I couldn't put anything out
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in print until after six months. And it was actually
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: intended to be just like a verbal like a podcast
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and like a story, and I really enjoyed recording it,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and you know it, I actually am not one of
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: these people that gets really caught up on like sales
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and numbers and ratings to a point like it matters,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: but it like it doesn't keep me up at night.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And they did very well. When I first came out,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it was like number two behind Dave Grohld's book for
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: first two weeks, and then I think it was like
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: number three for the first two months. And you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I was very happy with it. My publisher was very
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: happy with it, my eder was very happy with it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And then I had an independent bookstore come to me,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: say do you want to do like a very small
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: printing for people who don't didn't want to listen to it?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And there's some people as you know, that like having
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: physical books in their home and I was like, sure, great, whatever.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I was like, I don't want to do
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a big press thing just because a I don't want
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to continue talking about the view stuff forever and be
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like it has seven months ago. And it came out
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I just did a few things and then it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: came out and it you know, didn't sell like you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Gangbusters and it was like trending on Twitter for a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: long time. And again I'm I'm okay. I'm like, I'm
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the most blessed person in the world. I have a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: wonderful life and I'm very happy. As a generalization, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: don't love bullying towards anyone, and I have some of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: my closest friends I actually like started friendships with people
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because they have been at the at the other side
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of social media insanity. And I think it's the I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: think for women in particular, it gets very personal and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it tends to be very violent as well, and that's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just hard for people that love me and like my family.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's going to blow It kind
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of has blown over. It's going to continue to blow over.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And if people want to be like, oh Meg, I'm
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: such a loser. Everybody hates her and they don't like her,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: what can I do about that. I feel really good
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: about the way the Audible did.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: It's crazy to me because at the end of the day,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: you know you're an accomplished woman, Megan, You're just getting started.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: In terms of what the future holds for you. I
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: do see a podcast in your future. I do see
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: something I really do because me and the people who
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: love you on the view, we miss your point of view.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting is we always will look back and say, oh,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I never looked at it that way. That's a very
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: interesting take. So we want more of your takes on that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: But I want your take on the Real Housewives of
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills premiere.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Did you watch it?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, obviously I watched it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: What did you think about that premiere? Megan?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So, I'm really happy it's back, and I think I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: read on your Twitter that it did very well, like
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: ratings wise, like it did hire. I think this premiere
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: than last season, is that correct?
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: This premiere did one point one four or five million
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: last year? Did I think like zero point nine four
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: nine or something like that? And obviously it has now
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: become at least right now Bravos highest rated housewives, which
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: when I tweeted that, I said, I'm going to talk
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: about this on my podcast because obviously the biggest controversy
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: right now is the fact that, you know, Atlanta Housewives
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: ratings weren't as great as Belly Hills, and people are
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: debating that. What I wanted to talk to you about
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: was more so like your thoughts about Belly Hills and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: if you even caught the Atlanta premiere.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I have not watched Atlanta, and this is very controversial,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like very maybe the most controversial thing I'm going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: say on your podcast. I really was a huge Nany fan,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and I know she's like, it's very messy, and she's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: like suing Bravo, and I've read that she's like, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: think actually suing Andy Cohen as well. I thought she
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and Kim Zulziak really made that show. So I watched
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it up until last season and then it started kind
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of like losing me and I need to watch it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I actually watched Beverly Hills just because I knew we
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: were going to like talk about it. I know, Marlowe
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: got a peach, which I'm really happy about. And I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: love Candy, like I watched with is it Balero the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like stripper scene like that? Yes, And I love Phaedra
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and I think that, like I don't know, for some reason,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't gelling in the way that it used to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: because Atlanta is like one of the most iconic as
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean what you produced it for what
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: eight years? I mean, yeah, you're big you want to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: talk about me at the view, You're a huge reason,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: probably not the reason that show became so iconic, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I do think that, like they need to mix it
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. And there was actually a cast
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: member that I was a fan of. I really liked
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Eva a lot, and I was like kind of following
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: her journey, and I was really pissed that she wasn't
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: included in the next season. And I really liked her
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: husband and I thought he was interesting he like ran
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for mayor, and I was like, they need to explore
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like his politics, his political career, like her being a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: new mom. Like I really liked her, and I was
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: really sad that she wasn't invited back. So I feel
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like I get so invested in these people that like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably a lot like daytime TV, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of consistent change. And I like my
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: people that I had for a while, and I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Candy's carrying it like she has for a long I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: think Candy is like one of the greatest reality TV
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: stars of all time, and you know, an absolute like
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: genius when it comes to like her business and music,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and she's kind of like a like goals for so
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: many people. I don't know how the hell she does
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it with so many things in there. But yeah, but
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I it's not like I am going to watch it,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: but I kind of want to binge it, so I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: gonna wait.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I caught the first episode and me and Dave Quinn,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: who you know as well, Dave Quinn from People Magazine.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: He's a huge Meggan McCain fan as well. We did
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: a review on the premiere and I gave the premiere
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: B plus. It was a great premiere. We watched the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: second episode and the second episode wasn't as interesting. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: one thing I did say about Atlanta is the glory
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: days are gone. And that's what I'm hearing as you're
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: talking about the days of Nieni, Kim Zosiak, you know Faedra,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you know the Kenny Kenya.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Like that, that organic friendship is missing too. Yes, it
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: is missing the organic days. And the reason why I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: wanted to talk about Billy Hills to you is because
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: what they did so perfectly is the casting of that show,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, Kyle Richards is
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the face of the Belly Hills franchise. And although she's
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the longest running OG on that show, is the organic
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: friendship she has with these people that aren't all new
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Garsel is a great addition to that show.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I think she magnificent.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: She I love Garcel Bubat and I look at that
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and I compare that to Atlanta And at the end
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: of the day, Mimi Leaks will.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Always be the face of Atlanta Housewives.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what you and I both agree on is
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the missing element of the organic relationships.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm with you with Eva. I thought Eva was
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: fired too soon.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: And what bothers me is I think sometimes people make
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: casting decisions based on what they see on Twitter, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Twitter is not the real world.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the truth? Yeah? I just thought Eva was
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: like she was the one that I like, really, I
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was like just such a fan and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I think she's like one of the most stunningly gorgeous
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: women ever on that show. I liked Cynthia. I just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: feel like, if you can do like an OG cast
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: or even just bring back a few ogs, I will
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: probably be more invested. And again, like, I really like Kenya.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I know people don't, but I liked her too. I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: actually like found like there's it was so raw and real,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like when you saw was her ex boyfriend named Matthew,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like when he came over to her house, Mark, excuse me,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: when he came over to her house and like bashed
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in her windows And you're like, like.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: So wrong, I'm wrong. You're right. It was matt who
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: bashed through her door. Yes, matt uh huh.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And remember when he like he was so abusive to her,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and it was so hard and so raw. And this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: is like a former Miss USA beauty queen who's you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: also just like gorgeously stunning woman. And you see this
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: like raw, palpable, intense pain, like she went through so
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: much and she was like putting it out there. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: so I don't know, I really liked Atlanta. I will
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I will watch this season. I just haven't yet because
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I've been I've ben actually watching a few other shows
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and then OC just ended and we have Beverly Hills again.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: These franchises, I don't know if I think I'm like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of people and like you obviously like you
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: become connected to these people you root for who you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: root for. I think that they have become really important
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: figures in pop culture. For different reasons. I think a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: lot of times what's happening in America is really reflected
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: on the Housewives in a lot of different ways and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: how they deal with life. And if it's too produced
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and too saturated, that's when I stopped watching it and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. And I felt like the OC
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this season was like ostensibly an infomercial for Heather, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't it just is like, it's fantastic that she
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: has a she does, she's a beautiful home, a beautiful family.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: They all seem amazing. But you know, it didn't. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: didn't find it as as like compelling. I didn't find
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a compelling television at all. Sorry, and I love Oz,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I really root for it too.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, the season sucked. It's okay to say it's fine. Listen.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's okay to be honest.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting is we live in a world right
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: now where you can't even just be honest. OHC sucked.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: It was not a great season. It's not a this
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to anybody. Atlanta Housewives will never be what it was before,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: and that's okay to say. But make this show the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: best it can be. Beverly Hills is in his glory Days,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: because this is what I'm going to say on the record.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: The biggest mistake that was made was letting Porschia go
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: because you and I talked about this too, Megan, that
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Porsche Simon situation, Flan that should have been the a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: story to start off the new season of Atlanta, to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: give it the momentum and the press because what happened
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: to Dereed was in Dere's robbery was in the press
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: for so many months. I believe the ratings contributed to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: people's curiosity about Dereed talking about this robbery because we
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: saw it in the press for so long. So I
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: think if Porscha and Simon and that Falent and that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: whole situation was a part of Atlanta, it would have
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: been it would have been high ratings.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But I am so.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Obsessed with this woman's personal life, Like Portia's personal life
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: fascinates me, and like everything with Dennis fascinated me, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: like I want to know everything again. If she had
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: been the main woman, you know, in the middle, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: we had like not very deep into her personal life,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I would have been watching the first original episode. But
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: there is a certain point where I'm like I can't
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: keep meeting new people, like please bring back the beloved figures.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And she's also like huge, you know, she's like a huge, huge, huge,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, not just reality to be star, but like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: just I mean I would go so far as say
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: star in general. And so again, why let her go
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: someplace else? I mean, I know she has her own show,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but still like, I don't know whatever. But when it
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: comes to Beverly Hills, I did watch it. I think
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great season. At least I'm really
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: hoping it is. And but the robbery is very intense.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It's a very I mean it was in the news.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a very intense dark way to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: open it. You know. I'm really happy this cast stayed
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the same and they didn't make any changes. I'm very
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: curious about this new woman, the one they say looks
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like Bridget Bardow, who's like, I'll be your villain. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, I might like her, Like I like
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: this response and she's saying that to Sutton, right, isn't
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: she saying that's a thing she puts in her place? Ma'am?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Whoever the Navy is, I don't know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Are you team Erica? Or team sign.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: So Erica is like a personal friend for real, Like
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: we text and FaceTime and she's like a wonderful person personally.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I know everything everyone has to say. I know everything.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I still choose to be her friend, and I don't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: care what haters say either. She came on the view
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and performed on my birthday. She's a wonderful person. Had
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the pandemic k not gone on, she was going to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: perform at my baby shower, my last event. I know
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it was gonna have, I know, and she was she said,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: all that was pregnant, shut up, yep, and she she said,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of course I will. And again, it's one of the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: saddest things about my like pandemic whatever. She's a lovely
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much. And I think again
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it's another thing, like we bond over being hated, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, like she knows what it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: feels like to have like the world, like think that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you're like whatever, like you know, crazy and divisive and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: all these things. But I adore her and like I said,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: she just she's such a good heart. You know. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: knew shit was coming down with her before the press did.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like she was cantid with me and we're like real friends.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: So I will like ride for her forever and I don't. Again,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I don't. There hasn't been a trial, she hasn't been charged.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And again, I think and the other thing that I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: think is very very hypocritical is like, let's go to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. Genshaw's allowed to just like trapes around
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: do a reunion where I didn't think her feet were
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: held to the fire and the way that she should have.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: She's going to the New York court like district court attorney.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I actually texted one of my girlfriends who works for
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Fox News and she's a lawyer, and I like texted
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: her and she was like, these charges against Genshaw are
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: no joke. She was like, it's absolutely no joke the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: level that it's rising to, and she was like if
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: these people were involved, like you know, you can't obviously
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: convict anyone until there's been a jury. But it's bad,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: like very very very bad. And I felt like the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: media and the fans have really given Genshaw pass. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that being said, these don't come after me because I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: already had Twitter drama this week Jenshaw, and I don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: want anymore. And I'm just saying I'm protecting my girl Erica.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: But I felt like Erica was given such intense scrutiny,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and Jinshaw was kind of like, oh, there are these charges,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: but like show amazing, and I thought that was kind
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of bullshit.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because I could not agree with you more.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't think that her feet. I didn't think Genshaw's
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: feet were held with a fire at the reunion the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: way Erica was. I think because Erica comes across so
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: ice cold that people are like, see, there's a reason
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: why we hate you, because they did not have a
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: reason before, because she just came across so stoic, Whereas Jenshaw,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: like you said, sean amazing and she's whims the call
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: and she's funny. And what was so interesting to me
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: is Jenshaw is actually being charged with being the person
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: who got her hands dirty in this situation, whereas Erica's situation,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: unless I'm wrong, it's truly by default based on what
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: her husband was doing. And of course you can say
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: whether or not she knew about it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: She didn't.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, they're saying Erica's
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: husband allegedly did all these things. They're not saying Erica
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Jane allegedly did these things. They're saying Erica Jane allegedly
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: was a part of it in the sense of receiving
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the financial benefits from it. And it's weird because you
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: want to people are supporting jin because they feel like, well,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: she's funny and they feel like Erica isn't remorseful. But
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, a crime is a crime.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But it's very interesting how that plays out on Twitter.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I never understood why people think she's so icy. And again,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: maybe it's because I'm very similar. It's okay, not like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not best friends with everybody, Like I keep my
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: circle closed. I love who I love, I trust who
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I trust, and I don't think that people should necessarily
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: have that kind of agency over you, especially in times
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of crisis. And I felt like she was I know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: she was drowning for a long time and just trying
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to like stay above water. And again, if it comes
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: out in court that like something that she has done
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: something wrong, fine, But until then, like I really that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you, Carlos, I can't. She is a
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: literal she's like a actual friend of mine. I cannot
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: express to you how kind she has been to me,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: how loyal she has been to me, how smart she is.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: She's extremely politically savvy. We talk about politics all the time.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: She watches cable news like and wants to talk about
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: things she's always freaked out about, like different things going
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on in the world. And I really like her. I
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: can't even tell you how much I really like her.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't like people mee meet her.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: And I just really like.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe I'm just gonna die on
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this hill with my other controversial women, But I don't know.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I really wish people knew, Like during the pandemic, we
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: would like FaceTime and bed in our pajamas and I'd
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: be like, fuck this pandemic, It's awful. We're real friends,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: We're real get real friends. I am real friends with Erica.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I guess wow, no lit and I love Erica Jane.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because I got shipped from Twitter two
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: weeks ago when Erica had this Epics scene last season
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: where she told Sutton, miss Maltown, you shut up, miss
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: my motherfucking reputation be quiet.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I loved it, and.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I retweeted it saying she was the star last season.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Erica Jane was the star of Beverly Hills
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Housewives last season. If it was not for Erica Jane,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: those ratings would not be high. It was her show,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: her story, and the way she delivered. I don't care
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: if you agree.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: With her or not. You have to agree. She makes
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: great television. She carried it on her back.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: So I did an episode of the Greatest Housewives of
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: all time, my top ten. I would like for us
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: to play a game of the top five greatest you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: co host of all times?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: So you want me to are are you going to start?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You start, and then I'll go.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Carlos King's top five greatest view co hosts of all
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: time are in no particular order, Wood be Goldberg, Joy Behar,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Star Jones, Reynolds, Elizabeth Hasselback. And it's a tie between
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Meghan and Sonny because to me, Meghan and Sonny change
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the direction of the show and the reason why the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: show skewed younger with female audiences is because of Sonny
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and Meghan. Because they brought in pop culture. They brought
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: in stuff that my generation wants to listen to. They're
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the reason why it trends on Twitter. Megan and Sonny
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: single handily change the direction of the View. And the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: reason why I was sad to see you go is
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: because I thought Sonny and Meghan were the future of
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the View.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: So that's my top five greatest View co hosts of
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's really nice. I let me try to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: think mine. Rosie. You gotta add Rosie in there, because again,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: she changed the game too. She did like and she
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: made iconic television. And you know, again lover hater, a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people ever hater her. But she's also the first,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I think, I think, the first openly LGBTQ host of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the View.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, she was.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: She was And wait isn't she like the first like
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: real bona fide celebrity that was the co host?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And she for me, like when I was sort of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: cognizant of the View was when I was in college
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: when she and Elizabeth you know, like fought and there
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was like all that drama. And I will I like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Rosie o'donald. I think she's really compelling television in general,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and like she's a little messy and so am I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So I like that. Star Jones and I just think again,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: like another person who just like changed the show was
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: on for such a long time. Also, uh much like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: so much of all all history. But like television history,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you look back on that period of time with Star
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and you really appreciate what she was doing, how she
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: was doing it, and again the sort of outward celebrity
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that she brought in, and she really used the show
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and like help platform herself in a major way. What
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: be obviously, I mean, you can't take that away. Elizabeth
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: love Elizabeth and five is tricky. Let me think, Oh
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: my gosh, who else is there? I think that's God.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta do one more. I guess, Sonny, just do Sonny.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Then that's good.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yes, I can't, Carla's I can't.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I can't, And I'm so sorry I can't. We can't.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Did Joy respond to a tweet of yours?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was so weird like a month ago
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: or two months ago, like like work responded some woman
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: who was a friend of hers, who I had actually met.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I put tweet up like a Valentine's d tweet to Ben,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: my husband. I was like, I love you like and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I don't like love those but I also find I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: do those because if you don't, people think you're having
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: marriage problems. So that's why I always people like, oh,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: there was no Valentine's State whatever, and there's a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of chaos in my life and thank god, I'm very
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: grateful my marriage is a place of stability, so whatever.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: And this woman wrote not everything needs to be shared Megan,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and then Joy wrote like how did she write? Oh?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Would she say shit? She like wrote like apparently or
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like I agree or something like that. I was like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: are we going home after the view? And trolling Megan's Twitter?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: You know, like that's a really weird thing to do.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I just felt like it was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just so bizarre. I don't look at social media with
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I try to have a go at social media trending
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: stuff in general or anything like that if I can.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Sometimes temptation happens, but it just seems like a very
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: weird thing, especially this far out of me leaving the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: show that she's like still creeping on my social media.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: So no, this, this, this was the This means the
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: world to me that you decided to hop my podcast.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I know that you don't do a lot of interviews.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Let me say this to the world. Megan does not
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: do a lot of interviews, so when I ask her
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: to be my podcast, within second she said, I would
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: love to. She said, I'm actually honored you would ask
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: me to do it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, totally, You've been so kind to me for so long.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see this, like incredible success you're having.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It's so warranted. You want to talk about next generation.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, next generation hosts of late
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: night shows after reality shows. I think you're a great option.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: You know, women feel comfortable around you and reality you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: public people feel comfortable around you, and I think that
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: like that not to tell you how to do your career,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but I think that could be, like that's what my
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: vote would be. And I'm so glad you're doing late
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: night in general. But I know you're behind the scenes
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: person obviously and very iconically so, but Jay on Error
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: in front of the camera, it's it's really you're such
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a great presence. So and your your fans are going
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to be like Ella the love us.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But I no, no, I'm kind of cheering up.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: No thing that means the world to me. It is
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: my hope that after listening to this podcast, that you
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: walk away having a better understanding of Meghan McCain. Follow
• 46:35
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