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The Kenny Report | 4 February · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Good stuff ed, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: joining me.
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  Speaker 3: The coalition is still in the shambles, but is Clive
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  Speaker 3: Palmer coming back to the fold with one nation still
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  Speaker 3: riding high? Pauline Hanson and Ted O'Brien will join me,
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  Speaker 3: and does the rise of Trump in the US and
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  Speaker 3: Reform in the UK and other parties in Europe demonstrate
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  Speaker 3: that Australia is just part of a global trend. Tom
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  Speaker 3: Switzer on that police prepare for what could be an
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  Speaker 3: ugly weekend in Sydney as protesters set their sights on
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  Speaker 3: Israel's president who's visiting to comfort the victims of terror.
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  Speaker 3: Also Esther Kraku in the UK on the former Prince
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  Speaker 3: Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates and all of that,
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  Speaker 3: and e.
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  Speaker 2: Bikes running a muck. Do we need new laws? I'll
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  Speaker 2: take that up with James Bolt and Justin Smith. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: So the government is presiding over a cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 2: They promised to defeat inflation.
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  Speaker 3: They promised lower electricity prices, They promised a lower cost
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  Speaker 3: of living, and prices keep going up, especially electricity prices.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation is running.
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  Speaker 3: Away again and interest rates have already started going up again.
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  Speaker 3: But because of the shambles on the opposition side, the
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  Speaker 3: broken coalition and the fractured right of center vote, the
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  Speaker 3: government is hardly feeling the heat.
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  Speaker 4: The Member for New England defied the Shadow Cabinet then
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  Speaker 4: moved to the cross beach, knocking the opposition, who started
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  Speaker 4: at forty two this term down to forty one. The
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  Speaker 4: National Party defied a decision of the Shadow Cabinet and
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  Speaker 4: then moved to the cross beach, knocking the opposition from
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  Speaker 4: forty two members down to twenty eight.
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday and today we.
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  Speaker 4: Had the first step from the Reader of the Art
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  Speaker 4: of War and his fore followers making sure that they
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  Speaker 4: defied the decision of the Shadow Cabinet order.
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  Speaker 3: I'm comfortable to watch, isn't it. And while all this unfolds,
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  Speaker 3: one nation is surging in the polls, taking support away
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  Speaker 3: from the Liberals and the Nationals. The Nationals leader and
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  Speaker 3: his former shadow cabinet colleagues now sit on the backbench
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  Speaker 3: or the cross bench, no longer in coalition with the Liberals,
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  Speaker 3: and talks with the Liberal leader to repair the rift
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  Speaker 3: are reportedly not making progress. Now this is terrible for
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  Speaker 3: the opposition. Of course, it's a welcome gift for a
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  Speaker 3: bad government, escaping proper scrutiny and pressure, and that, of
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  Speaker 3: course is bad for democracy.
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  Speaker 2: We need governments to be.
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  Speaker 3: Held to account and we need oppositions providing a viable alternative.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know who the real losers are in
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  Speaker 3: all of this, don't you. Yep, it's you and me,
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  Speaker 3: it's all of us. The coalition is letting us down.
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  Speaker 3: We need strength and clarity on the right of center
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  Speaker 3: and unity. All we've got is squabbling, division and a
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  Speaker 3: distinct lack of policy clarity, no clear alternative. Well, there
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  Speaker 3: is one glimmer of hope today, one area of division and.
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  Speaker 2: Distraction that just might be repaired.
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  Speaker 3: Billionaire Clive Palmer was a National store wart, of course,
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  Speaker 3: before he decided to run his own race.
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  Speaker 6: Peter Dutton has stated he's no Donald Trump and we
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  Speaker 6: agree with him. Alban Easy has presided over declining standard
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  Speaker 6: living for our country in each and every year he
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  Speaker 6: served as Prime Minister. Australia needs Trump policies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Palmer spent fifty three million dollars on his Trumpet of
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  Speaker 3: Patriots campaign last year and he failed to win a
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  Speaker 3: single seat, and he spent upwards of two hundred million
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  Speaker 3: on the two elections before that under his United Australia
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  Speaker 3: Party banner, which actually managed to get Palm and a
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  Speaker 3: few others into federal Parliament for a while.
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  Speaker 2: But now Palmer's.
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  Speaker 3: Revealed that he's been in talks with his old mates
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  Speaker 3: in the Nationals.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I've had discussions with the Nats, you know, with
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  Speaker 6: not with David little Paddle the leadership. We'll distress that,
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  Speaker 6: but just with members I've known for years. Just talked
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  Speaker 6: about the situation.
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  Speaker 3: And the Senator Matt Canavan has talked about his direct
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  Speaker 3: invitation to Parmer.
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  Speaker 7: I noticed Clive's comments this morning and clearly he still
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  Speaker 7: has a real soft spot for the Nationals Party and
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  Speaker 7: don't we all So look, I last time I spoke
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  Speaker 7: to Clive said, mate, just come back, just come back.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's he can put an application to be
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  Speaker 7: a member. I don't decide that the party does. It's
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  Speaker 7: up to them, but clearly I think he'd love to
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  Speaker 7: come home.
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  Speaker 3: You never know, and you certainly won't find out unless
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  Speaker 3: you ask. Given the money he's tipped into politics over
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  Speaker 3: the past decade. A return to the nationals fold by
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  Speaker 3: the mercurial billionaire could be a huge financial boost, not
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  Speaker 3: to mention the removal of an electoral irritant and the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to reconsolidate some of the right of center vote.
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  Speaker 3: At a time it's been fracturing in all directions. That
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  Speaker 3: just leaves the tasks of reuniting the coalition, finding some
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  Speaker 3: policy clarity, and working out how to win back voters
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  Speaker 3: from one nation.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, they've got a long, long way to go, and.
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  Speaker 3: They'd better get cracking pretty soon. The President of Israel,
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  Speaker 3: Isaac Herzog, is due in Australia next week. He's coming
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  Speaker 3: primarily to support the Australian Jewish community after the tragedy
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  Speaker 3: and trauma of the Bondai massacre. It's a mission of
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  Speaker 3: solidarity and care in response to a horrific act of
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  Speaker 3: terror that killed fifteen innocent people, including a Holocaust survivor
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  Speaker 3: and a ten year old girl, and it's seriously wounded
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  Speaker 3: dozens more. Of course, Yet even with that at the
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  Speaker 3: core of the visit, true to their hateful form, the
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  Speaker 3: usual pro Palestinian and anti Israel activists are planning to
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  Speaker 3: stage protests around the country on Sunday. Their flyers say
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  Speaker 3: that Herzog is not welcome here. They persist with the
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  Speaker 3: absurd and obscene charge of genocide against Israel, and they
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  Speaker 3: urge people to protest in the streets against the president.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Herzog is a former politician, a former labor politician who's
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  Speaker 3: been a critic of the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in
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  Speaker 3: the past. He's not the executive leader like the US president,
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  Speaker 3: for instance. His role is more akin to being the
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  Speaker 3: head of states, such as the king or his representative
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  Speaker 3: here the Governor General. I met Herzog in Israel last year.
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  Speaker 3: He was concerned then about anti Semitism in Australia and
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  Speaker 3: the Australian government's criticisms of Israel as well, and he
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  Speaker 3: publicly invited Anthony Alvenizi to visit Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi never went.
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  Speaker 3: But now, in tragic circumstances, Herzog will be here. He
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  Speaker 3: arrives on Sunday, and New South Wales police are worried
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  Speaker 3: about what the protesters will do, even though they'll be
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  Speaker 3: banned from certain areas.
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  Speaker 8: I know that there is significant animosity about President Hurtzong's
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  Speaker 8: with it. I have to balance that what I fear
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  Speaker 8: is a large scale public assembly with so much animosity
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  Speaker 8: could present a risk community safety.
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  Speaker 3: The pro Palestinian and anti Israel protests have fostered division
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  Speaker 3: in this country for more than two years now. The
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  Speaker 3: endless protests have seen many pushing falsehoods and hate chanting
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  Speaker 3: slogans that encourage violence against Israel and Jews, which in
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  Speaker 3: my view, helped to create the environment that led to
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  Speaker 3: a rise in anti Semitism and the horrors of the
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  Speaker 3: Bondai slaughter. Nonetheless, no matter how wrong their views are
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  Speaker 3: or how damaging and divisive, of course they have a
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  Speaker 3: right to express them unless they openly incite violence or
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitism. Of course, if they do that, they should
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  Speaker 3: be arrested and charged, something our authorities strangely have been
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  Speaker 3: unwilling to do over the.
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  Speaker 2: Past couple of years. But here's the point.
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  Speaker 3: Hertzog is in Sydney to show solidarity and support for
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  Speaker 3: the local community still grieving its losses and still living
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  Speaker 3: in fear. If the pro Palestinian and anti Israel crowd
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  Speaker 3: has any shred of human decency, if they want to
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  Speaker 3: show that they care for humanity rather than merely push hatred,
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  Speaker 3: then they should hold off on their protests in Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: They should find something else to do while President Herzog
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  Speaker 3: is in Sydney meeting with the Jewish communities.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if.
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  Speaker 3: Protesting is their thing, have a winge about something else
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday, make some noise about climate change or capitalism
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  Speaker 3: or something, but just show some respect for the victims
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  Speaker 3: of terror. Let them meet Israel's president in peace. Save
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  Speaker 3: your protests for Wednesday in Canberra, when Herzog will be
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  Speaker 3: meeting Albanesi. That's the day when there's politics involved. Make
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  Speaker 3: your noise and chant your lies on that day. I
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  Speaker 3: hope Herzog will tell Albanzi how wrong he is on Israel,
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  Speaker 3: how wrong he was to recognize the non existent state
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  Speaker 3: of Palestine when it's terrorist leaders still attack Israel and
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  Speaker 3: work against peace. And I hope the President tells Albanzi
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  Speaker 3: he needs to do more to stamp out Islamist extremism
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  Speaker 3: and anti Semitism in this country too. While labor has
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  Speaker 3: been terrible on Israel and the protesters are shocking and hateful,
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  Speaker 3: I'm certain most Australians welcome the visit by Israel's president.
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  Speaker 3: Our police and other authorities need to make sure they
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  Speaker 3: manage it with firmness and efficiency. Let's go to Camber
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  Speaker 3: now and catch up with One Nation. Lead to Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 3: the woman of the moment in federal politics.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen it this week really with economic news that
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  Speaker 3: really should have the government under pressure. They're not under
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  Speaker 3: pressure properly, at least in parliament because of the shambles
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  Speaker 3: on the other side.
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  Speaker 9: Is that a fair observation, of course, it's a fair observation, yes,
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  Speaker 9: to bring accountability to it. And I've been unfortunate not
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  Speaker 9: to be on Flora Parliament myself, but I think my
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  Speaker 9: members of Parliament are trying to do a good job
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  Speaker 9: in getting accountability.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The part of the problem for the coalition now, of course,
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  Speaker 3: is that you're out polling them.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still see yourselves largely.
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  Speaker 3: As a party of protest, a party of grievance?
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  Speaker 9: No, Chris, I think that's a load of rubbish. And
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  Speaker 9: they're very concerned because they are going down the polls.
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  Speaker 9: Why do you go down the polls because you're not opposition.
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  Speaker 9: To get good government, you have to have good opposition.
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  Speaker 9: Where are their policies, where's they's policy on immigration. Where's
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  Speaker 9: the policy about zero you know, to get rid of it,
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  Speaker 9: escalating cost of living, all these issues that are concerning
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  Speaker 9: the Australian people. It goes on policies, so you know,
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  Speaker 9: there's nothing there written concrete that government has to be
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  Speaker 9: in the hands of labor or the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 2: Or where are your policies? Where are your policies?
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  Speaker 5: Go?
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  Speaker 9: I can't be they're all up on the website, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: What all up on the website?
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  Speaker 2: Go and have policies.
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  Speaker 3: What's your detailed policy prescription for immigration? Of course you
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  Speaker 3: want it lowered, but which programs do you intend lowering?
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  Speaker 10: Were your visas?
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  Speaker 9: Even the foreign students come in the country. Look at
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  Speaker 9: the number of these holders that come in in. They're
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  Speaker 9: applying for citizenship in Australia. Our citizenship will go out
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  Speaker 9: to ten years before you can get citizenship. Cut your
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  Speaker 9: immigration back to one hundred and thirty thousand.
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  Speaker 5: Look at the.
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  Speaker 10: People bringing in the country. So you were skilled migrants
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  Speaker 10: at all? Rubbish.
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  Speaker 9: We're bringing in people who say they're skilled migrants, Chris,
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  Speaker 9: They don't have the qualifications. We're actually drowning in these
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  Speaker 9: unskilled people we're having. You know, these constructions being built
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  Speaker 9: here not to Australian specifications.
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  Speaker 3: So you would further cut the overseas student intake into
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  Speaker 3: this country.
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  Speaker 2: Labors started to reduce it already.
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  Speaker 3: You would further cut the number of overseas students coming
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  Speaker 3: into this country, and you would cut back the skilled
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  Speaker 3: immigrants program.
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  Speaker 10: The skilled immigrants, Chris Cribs.
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  Speaker 9: We've had one hundred and ninety thousand permanent visas come
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  Speaker 9: in as if they're skilled. Guess what, only five thousand
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  Speaker 9: of them were actually skilled in the construction industry. And
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  Speaker 9: then you go back to you want to cut numbers
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  Speaker 9: last year twenty three, twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, there'll be plenty of people. There'll be plenty of people.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on one second though.
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  Speaker 3: The issue here, though is when you get into the specifics.
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  Speaker 3: If you're cutting back overseas students, that's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a huge financial setback for the university sector and some
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  Speaker 3: flow on industries of course, with accommodation.
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  Speaker 5: And the rest of it.
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  Speaker 3: And also many industries are saying they are crying out
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  Speaker 3: for skilled labor and we can't afford to cut our
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  Speaker 3: skilled migration.
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  Speaker 2: So these will create issues. They're not simple policy positions, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: If you look at the students coming into the country,
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  Speaker 9: which the labor are going to put it, two hundred
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  Speaker 9: and ninety five thousand students coming into the country. A
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  Speaker 9: lot of these students don't even attend the universities. Since
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  Speaker 9: they get here, quite a number of them actually come
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  Speaker 9: out and say, no, we're going to change our course.
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  Speaker 9: We're going to go to a vet course now, and
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  Speaker 9: then they take up working. So lolm are using it
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  Speaker 9: as a backdoor to get into the country. It's going
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  Speaker 9: to benefit to us, No, it's not. So that needs
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  Speaker 9: to be rained in. We've got nearly four hundred thousand
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  Speaker 9: people that have come in here, overstayed the visa's now
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  Speaker 9: got bridging loans, and of course they're working making the
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  Speaker 9: money sending out of the country.
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  Speaker 10: So our whole mass migration.
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  Speaker 9: Go and ask these strained people how they feel about it.
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  Speaker 9: Go and ask them they can actually own their own home,
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  Speaker 9: Ask them if they get rental accommodation. Go and ask
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  Speaker 9: the people who are on the streets in this country.
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  Speaker 9: So I've got more of an immigration policy than what
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  Speaker 9: the coalition have.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you have. And this is my point.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to portray yourself as a party of government.
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  Speaker 3: You need more of that detail out there because a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people agree that immigration is too high, but
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  Speaker 3: it's also there's a lot of specifics that need to
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  Speaker 3: be addressed when you start.
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  Speaker 2: To wind it back.
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering, given how hard it will be for you
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  Speaker 3: to win lower House seats. I'm not saying you won't,
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  Speaker 3: but it'll be hard for you to win a large
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  Speaker 3: number of Lower House seats. Would you be in a
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  Speaker 3: position now to suggest that, when you talk about possible governance,
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  Speaker 3: that you would be interested in being involved in a
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  Speaker 3: coalition government with the Nationals and the Liberals.
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  Speaker 9: Of course, that's the only way to move forward because
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  Speaker 9: I'm not going to be government and either is by
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  Speaker 9: the looks of it, either as a coalition or the
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  Speaker 9: National Party. So the fact is that I am a
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  Speaker 9: conservative at heart and I would work with them to
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  Speaker 9: give them supply. Would I join up to the rabble
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  Speaker 9: that they are at the moment no one in the
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  Speaker 9: wide world? But I have my strong policies that we
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  Speaker 9: need because they're doing nothing to address the important issues
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  Speaker 9: that the Australian people want. And if you want to
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  Speaker 9: look at policies, when it was the last time you
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  Speaker 9: went to my website to have a look at my policies, Chris,
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  Speaker 9: to criticize one nation.
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  Speaker 10: And I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 9: They've been picking up a lot of my policies. I
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  Speaker 9: see today that the National Party now saying they'll support
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  Speaker 9: you know, a cup to the beer and to their
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  Speaker 9: spirits tax.
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  Speaker 10: That was my policy.
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  Speaker 9: The superannuation scheme for housing is my policy.
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  Speaker 10: The exercise tax cutting next ye, my policy.
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  Speaker 2: It's no good.
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  Speaker 10: It's my policy.
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  Speaker 3: But it's no good getting defensive about me asking some
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  Speaker 3: questions about this policy detail. There's just going to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot more of this in the next two years.
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  Speaker 3: That's that comes with the territory of polling at twenty
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  Speaker 3: six percent.
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  Speaker 10: That's I totally agree, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: And it's good to you not give me credit for
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  Speaker 9: credits due for my raising these issues with you over
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  Speaker 9: the years time and time again, and when not here
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  Speaker 9: that people get on here like Matt Canevan says, I
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  Speaker 9: haven't got policies. He keeps picking up my policies, so
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  Speaker 9: I've got something to off.
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  Speaker 11: Them.
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  Speaker 2: My policies I haven't had on my show for years.
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  Speaker 3: But he's a good man, but he hasn't said that
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  Speaker 3: here I'm it's very interesting that you're talking about this,
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  Speaker 3: this idea Nationals, liberals, one nation coalition, because that's one
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  Speaker 3: way this all could head. The problem here is the
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  Speaker 3: big picture issue here, and I'm interested in your thoughtful
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  Speaker 3: response to this, and that is while the coalition vote
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  Speaker 3: or the right of center vote is split between we've
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  Speaker 3: had Palmer in the past, yourself, Nationals, One Nation, a
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  Speaker 3: few other splendor groups. The big beneficiaries of that tend
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  Speaker 3: to be Labor, right. It makes it makes it easier
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  Speaker 3: for them to win and hold government.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, Why do.
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  Speaker 9: You think people are now turning to one Nation because
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  Speaker 9: they've fed up with the major politic parties. Do you
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  Speaker 9: think I'm just going to walk away and not fight
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  Speaker 9: for my country and the people out there.
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  Speaker 10: Do you think I'm not going.
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  Speaker 9: To do that to allow these elitists who think they
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  Speaker 9: know better than anyone else.
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  Speaker 10: It is the public will make their decision, It's true
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  Speaker 10: they will. Government can only be held by the coalition
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  Speaker 10: or by the Labor Party. Do your job properly.
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  Speaker 9: You've got the votes back and they haven't been doing
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  Speaker 9: well if you can't present and that's why people have
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  Speaker 9: been going to you for some clarity.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just wondering whether you accept the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Labour's really benefited from this. I know that's not your intention,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not the intention of those voters either, So
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  Speaker 3: that's the outcoming.
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  Speaker 10: It's not my fault.
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  Speaker 9: It is not my fault because Labor's benefiting out of this.
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  Speaker 9: It's the Coalition's fault because they've failed to do their job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to blame you.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I'm asking about the implications, the implications for the country, and.
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: Matt, you're trying to blame me because I'm on the
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: scene and offering people something change for this country.
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: Change the Freeman outful.
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: I've just done a tour around the whole country, a
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: different sit in different state.
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: Every night for them.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: Were coming up to me, hold my hand, shaking, said
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: don't go anywhere. Keep fighting for us. You're our only
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: hope and the major political parties.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I love catching up with you every week, Pauline, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating stuff.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not blaming you. People can vote for whoever they like.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: In fact, I would blame the Coalition for not providing
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: a strong enough alternative. But I think it's fascinating to
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: talk about the big implications here and where we're heading.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. I'll catch up with you next week.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson there in Canberra. I think that's fascinating here
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: talking about the possibility of coalition with the Nats and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: the Liberals that they're divide of it at the moment, but
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: you could end up with a three way coalition.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That's where we're headed anyway. Now where we.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Go to next I am going to speak to Joel
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Bernie from the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Council, joining me
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: from Melbourne.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Good to catch up with your Joel.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I hope you saw my introduction about the looming visit
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: of Isaac Hers of the Israeli press, because the police
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: in New South Wales are very concerned about protests on
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the weekend, and in my view it's just a lack
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: of human decency given the purpose of his visit, won't
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you be meeting with Jewish communities in Sydney to essentially
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: wrap his arms around them after the Bondai massacre.
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: Well, thank you for having me, Chris, And that's exactly right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The binary nature and the atrocious aggressive nature of the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: pro Palestinian anti Israel movement and their obsession with their
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: due hatred is coming to the four again. After the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: greatest terror attack in Australia's history, fifteen innocent people gunned
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: down in a hall of bullets of hate that has
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: been seeping and growing in intensity since the horrific events
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of October seven, twenty twenty three. We have now President Herzog,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: who in his political career was a peacenick, someone who
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: endorsed and supported and promoted the two state solution, a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: former Labor parliamentarian who is no longer in Parliament and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: serves as a sort of ceremonial head of states, similar
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to the Governor General and the King.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: And the idea that the Police Commissioner of New South
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: Wales is so worried about the protection of the Jewish
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: community and the Australian community as well, given the viciousness
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: and the violent nature of these protests, is very, very concerning.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Given we are less than two months out from what
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: was the most horrific and largest terror attack in Australia's history,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it's completely deplorable.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's incredible to see, as you say, I think fifty
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: two days now since the Bondai attack, let's have a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: look at what the Police Commissioner had to say today.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: I know that there is significant animosity about President Hertzog's visit.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: The President is here as an invitee of the Commonwealth Government.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: He is here to mourn and provide support to the
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: Jewish Australian community which were callously targeted bondaitant to remember
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: that peace and showing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Respect is important at this time.
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: What I fear is a large scale public assembly with
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: so much animosity could present a risk to community safety.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Now the President, i understand, is going to Melbourne as
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: well for an event there with the Jewish community. The
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Melbourne Jewish community has suffered enormously too, with vandalism at
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: our synagogue being burnt to the ground, all.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Sorts of anti Semitic attacks. So that's well and good too.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: But in between the President will be going to Canberra
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and meeting with Anthony Albanesi. Now there is politics involved here,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and whether we agree with it or not, there are
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: people who want to make a statement against Israel and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: against the government of Israel. Then surely that day and
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: that place is the right location and timing for anti
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Israel protests.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Well, anyone that's spent any time during a sitting period
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in Cambra knows that the lawn outside the front of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Parliament is a perfect place to assemble, that those great
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Australians can utilize their lawful right for free speech and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: protest many many different things from global incidents or domestic issues.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Canberra is as much safer location in the epicenter of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: politics to be protesting these things. But let's not kid ourselves, Chris.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: The pro Palestinian anti Israel movement is the most violent
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and vicious protest movement that we've seen in recent times,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: let alone in Australia's history. They are not like the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: other common protests of other protests movements. They are vicious,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: they are violent, and they do not care about the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: fifteen innocent victims that were massacred and gunned down on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Bondai Beach lesson two months ago. And this is to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the point. The saddest thing is is that this is
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: not just sad for the Jewish community. This is sad
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: for Australia. This is a great nation. This is a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: nation where people everywhere in the world want to come
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and live to share what we have. We are great people,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: we are happy people. Is in summertime. We should be
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: coming together at this time, not yelling and screaming. For
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the past two and a bit years, the streets of Australia,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of Australia have been completely hijacked by these vicious rhetoric
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and the violence on the streets. It's the time that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: this country needs to get back on track to the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: great place and the great nation that we all know
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that we are and that we all aspire to be.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm sad, Chris for our country and I really
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: do hope that in the next couple the next week
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: will not see the type of incidents that the New
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: South Wales Police is prophesizing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Joe Bernie Wilth said, and thanks so much for joining us.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Joe Bernie there, I've got to say, he's dead right.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: This is about the sort of country we are now.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: These protesters were on Bondi Beach not four or five
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: months ago calling for into Farda.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Since then we saw.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Fifteen Australians who happen to be Jewish, mainly shot dead
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: on Bondi Beach.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: The President of Israel is coming out here to share
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: their to share their grief.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Australia should be wrapping its arms around the President of
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Israel on this visit. And if you know anybody who
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: wants to protest at this time, tell them it's wrong.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It's not a decent way to treat fellow humans. Hold
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: off and have a protest on Wednesday in Canberra, when
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: then there's.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Some politics involved, if you want to.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Vent your anger against the Israeli government, but honestly show
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: some respect for the victims here.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Let's have a break. On the other side of that,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: We're going to ask whether the rise.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Of Donald Trump and reform in the UK and other
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: movements in Europe, whether they demonstrate that Australia is really
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: going through what is a global trend.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Tom Switzer will share his insights.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Tensions remain high in the Middle East, with talks between
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the US and Iran set to go ahead later this week.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Than after the US military was forced to shoot down
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: an Iranian drone.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Here's the lightest from Fox News.
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: US sent Com reports destroying an Iranian drone as it
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: approached a US Navy aircraft carrier with unclear intent. An
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: F thirty five C fighter jet from Abraham Lincoln shot
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: down the Iranian drone in self defense and to protect
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: the aircraft, carrier and personnel on board. Shortly after that incident,
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: Iranian forces harassed a US commercial ship in the Strait
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: of Horror Moves, even threatening to board the vessel. Tehran
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: also making an eleventh hour gambit tonight to move Friday's
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: nuclear talks from Turkey to Oman and drop Arab Nation
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: participants and negotiate directly with the Trump administration alone.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Tom Switzer columnists with the Australian joining
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: me here on the.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Desk to talk to you again, Chris.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Are we going to see war between the US and Iran?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a grave.
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: Moment in the sense that here we have Iranian provocations
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: that could derail them these nuclear talks in Turkey on Friday,
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: and all it requires is an accident or a miscalculation,
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: and things could spiral out of control. My sense is
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: that the President wants to show force to intimidate the
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: Mullers into making more concessions on their Uranian richment.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: They've been stubborn in the past though, and of course
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Trump says he knocked out all their nuclear facilities last year.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Obviously they must be worried that the Iranians are still
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: going with that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: Well, which raises the question how effective was that strike.
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: The conventional wisdom in July, as you well know, was
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: that it was a great strike in that sense that
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: it's set back the Iranian nuclear program. But you don't
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: want to underestimate the strengths of this Iranian regime.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's a brutal.
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: Sheer theocracy that commits horrible human rights against its own people,
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: and it has been funding the Shea militia, which has
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: caused a lot of mayhem in the Persian golf.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt about that, and that's why people
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: want regime change people outside of it. The President wouldn't
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: be having that top of mind. It's too unpredictable, isn't it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: Well, my sense is that his instincts are non intervention.
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: He doesn't really want to throw America's weight around the world,
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: certainly not in the sense of bringing down regimes and
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: embarking on nation building. Remember, he ran against the neo
• 28:12
  Speaker 13: conservatives in the Republican primaries both in twenty sixteen and
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: in twenty twenty four on a platform of America First.
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: But as we've seen, he's not immune to the idea
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: of punishing regimes with hits, so he could do this again,
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: but I doubt very much he wants to see this
• 28:28
  Speaker 13: escalated because that could drag America in a war that
• 28:32
  Speaker 13: may be another forever war, as he would put it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Now, I want to get you on global political trends,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: because you know, Trump is a disruptor. He's unique, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: he's changed the party political dynamic in the US dramatically.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: We've got Reform now being the major party of opposition
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: in the UK, pushing aside the Conservatives. We've had similar
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: groupings and movements in Europe as well, and now of
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: course one Nation now I'm pulling the coalition here. And
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you saw Pauline now now it says that she's leading
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a party of government. What's going on here in an
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Australia part of a global trend.
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: I think what's happening here, Chris, is that the Conservative
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: vote in Australia, the bleeding of that Conservative vote to
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: one Nation, reflects a global trend all across the West.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You've got Great.
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: Britain, France, Germany, Italy, but also the Czech Republic to
• 29:25
  Speaker 13: the east, and even in northern Europe like the Netherlands
• 29:29
  Speaker 13: and Denmark, and even Sweden, you're seeing center right mainstream
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: parties either being propped up by populist parties to form
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: government or they're bleeding votes. Altogether, two populist parties that
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: are emerging as the more credible form of government. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: this is a very real trend, and I think it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: just taken us a bit longer to catch up.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: What are the issues driving this two there are two
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: that stand out to me. The obvious one is immigration. Yes, immigration,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: uncontrolled immigration in Europe to US, and we've had it
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: in the past here, and there's a lot of concerns
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: about record immigration in Australia in recent years, but also
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: energy policy and the way that's affecting mainstream.
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: Voters, opposition to mass immigration. In Australia, we've distinguished ourselves
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: by having tough border protection led by John Howard and
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: Tony Abbott, that boosted public confidence in what has been
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: large scale, nondescriptory immigration. But there is now a backlash
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: against massive legal immigration and that's clearly evident all across
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: Europe and the United States that helped lead to Trump's rise.
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: So you're right, mass immigration, but also opposition to unaffordable
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: and unreliable energy policy driven by a fixation for net zero.
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: And the other fact that to bear in mind is
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: this backlash against woke cultural orthodoxies in the establishment that
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: denegrates national history and national achievements. That's the same phenomenon
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: taking place all across North America and Europe.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Now a lot of us would agree with some of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: those policy descriptions, I suppose all directions, but how can
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: it be harnessed on the center right rather than because
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: at the moment the fracturing is more likely to help
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the left of centerpage.
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: Look, I think what's happening here is that the right
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: of the Liberal Party in the National Party feel more
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: or less comfortable with One Nation on net zero, on
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: mass immigration, and clearly the issue of woke cultural agendas.
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: The big difference, particularly between the Liberal Party and One
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: Nation is on economics, and the Liberal Party traditionally has
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: supported free markets, productivity enhancing economic reforms to make the
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: Australian economy more competitive, making the country more prosperous. But
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: One Nation's instincts are more protectionist and interventionists. And again
• 31:40
  Speaker 13: this reflects what Nigel Farage, Marine le Pen and the
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: other populace are doing.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And this economic nationally. Absolutely fascinating stuff. Thanks for joining
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: us always pleasure chest from Switzer.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: That you can read his stuff in the Australian.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: We've got to get to a break.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to talk about labor
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: caught out telling lies from government spending today.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Shadow Treasurer Teed O'Brien is next.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to Canberra and talk about the economy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I want to start off by showing you what a
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: couple of labor front benches are said down there today.
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: The highest spending government was the Howard government and not
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: to be outdone by the COVID spending that occurred.
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: For the Howard government was the biggest spending government in
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: Australian history.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Let's go to camera and catch up with Shadow Treasurer
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Ted O'Brien.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Ted g that that doesn't sound right, does it. The
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Howard government that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Delivered all those budget surpluses, got rid of government debt
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and left fifty billion dollars in the bank.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Was it the highest spending government?
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: Good afternoon, chres and no it wasn't.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: They are wrong.
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: I don't know whether.
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: It's just a matter of these two labor ministers not
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: knowing body may have told them the wrong thing, They've
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: made a mistake, or they are deliberately lying. At this point,
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: since they both said it today, I'm happy to give
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: the benefit of the doubt and say, well, they just
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: made a mistake. It's the alban Easy government, which is
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: the highest spending government in forty years outside of pandemic.
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: As for John Howard and his government, not in coui
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: of where the labor government is today. And as you
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: know full well, Chris, the way this sort of stuff
• 33:34
  Speaker 14: is analyzed and commonly accepted is spending. Government spending as
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: a share of the economy a percentage of the GDP.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: As of now.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: As in fact, Ted, I'll just jump in there because
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: we're going to put up a graphic. I've got a
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: graph of this absolutely and both major parties have agreed
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: in the past that ideally you want to keep government spending.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: That's the red line in the graph below, twenty five
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: percent of GDP. Howard government years have got up to
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: twenty six percent at times, but then they got it
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: below twenty five percent, down to twenty four even twenty
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: three percent, which was fantastic. It went up very high
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: during the pandemic there. As you see everyone understands why
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that had to be done. But it's come back down now.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: A little bit. We're still at like twenty seven percent.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: This is.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Two percent doesn't sound much. Two percent of.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: GDP at least higher that even labor in the past
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: has agreed is the maximum level of government spending.
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: This is just it, and I think Chris, it is
• 34:33
  Speaker 14: because labor is under pressure now because they are spending.
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: It's out of control, and all the major economists are
• 34:41
  Speaker 14: calling them out because the more they pour money into
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: the economy, the economy cannot supply all the goods and
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: services that people are demanding, so prices are going up.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Government pours money.
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: In, prices go up, inflation goes up, interest rates go up.
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: They've been called out because the interest rate rise yes
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: today was a direct consequence of labors spending. And now
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: I think in panic labor ministers are either making things up,
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: deliberately telling untruths, or I don't know, somebody's advising them
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: incorrectly and they are misspeaking. If we're to give them
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: the benefit of the doubt, well, I.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Mean blind and Freddie can see they're wrong, and everybody
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: in this country knows. We've never seen government spending like
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: this before, whether you were supported or not. You know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: with the NDIS and all these new programs rolling out
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: subsidies for this, that and the other, government spending is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: running out of control. Or if you're a left to
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: you say government spending is wonderfully better than ever before.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: But you can't deny it's happening. It's ridiculous to do so.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Tedo Brian as the Deputy Liberal leader, are you involved
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: in the negotiations with the Nationals to try to repair
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the coalition?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Chris?
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: I have been involved in a couple of conversations and
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: what I can tell you is they have been constructive,
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: very cordial, and both Susan Lee and David Little Proud
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: have gotten on very well. As we try to work
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: out if there is a pathway forward. I don't want
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: to preempt where it might lead.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Can it happen?
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: So of them to say they have been constructive, Well,
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: I mean, if we are to come back together, the
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: sooner the better, there's no doubt. But again we'll just
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: have to wait and see where it lands this week.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Is it too much to ask the Liberals to accept
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: all those Nationals front benches straight away to come back
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: onto the front bench.
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: If it's okay with you, Chris, I don't want to
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: be pre empting what the positions might be. Those discussions
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: are taking place. They're very constructive, a lot of good
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: will in the room. We'll see where it lands.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Ted, appreciate it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Ted O'Brien there, who's the shadow treasurer and the deputy
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Liberal leader federally well Andrew, he's the prince formerly known
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: as Prince Andrew packed his bags and left the Royal
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Lodge almost four months after he was told by bucking
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: In Pallas, essentially told by.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: His big brother to move out.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in writer and broadcaster Esther Cracky joining us
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: from the UK. Yes, this is a shaka. He is
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a disgrace. What more can the royal family do? They
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: obviously want him to hide from public site forever.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: I think the latest basically series of the jeff Jeffrey
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: Epstein Files is kind of what pushed the King over
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: the edge. And I'm sure he's kind of slowly losing
• 37:35
  Speaker 16: his mind because they wish the scandal will go away.
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: But obviously, the complete lack of judgment by the Yorks,
• 37:39
  Speaker 16: by the Yorkxes so Sarah Ferguson and the Prince formerly
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: known as Andrew has just kind of made this much worse.
• 37:46
  Speaker 16: I mean, I would say this latest and transmit has
• 37:48
  Speaker 16: shown actually the greed of Sarah Ferguson. But on Prince Andrew,
• 37:52
  Speaker 16: there was a picture that is now circulating of him
• 37:56
  Speaker 16: on all fours hovering over a woman that we don't
• 38:00
  Speaker 16: know that is not moving, And obviously this doesn't necessarily
• 38:04
  Speaker 16: suggest any wrongdoing, but it just shows the kind of
• 38:07
  Speaker 16: the degree of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I think
• 38:09
  Speaker 16: the real scandal that people just can't get over is
• 38:12
  Speaker 16: the fact that he actually repeatedly denied having any sort
• 38:15
  Speaker 16: of contact with Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction for pedophilia
• 38:18
  Speaker 16: and sex trafficking, and that's clearly proven to be false.
• 38:23
  Speaker 16: Even Sarah Ferguson in an email exchange a couple of years,
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: I believe, after he was convicted so that she wanted
• 38:29
  Speaker 16: to be his pet. So clearly this is not someone
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: who had disavowed this man until they actually had a
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: public falling out. I think in twenty eleven the ties completely.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: See some of these Sarah Ferguson emails are pretty disturbing too.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: It seems that she's it seems that she's aware at
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: least of the role of girls and beautiful women, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: all of this she seems to have been encouraging and
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: even offering up people.
• 38:56
  Speaker 16: Even worse still is the role that she decided to
• 38:59
  Speaker 16: get her child to play in her relationship with a
• 39:01
  Speaker 16: friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, which is that they were she
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: and her daughters, Princess Beachers and Eugenie went for lunch
• 39:08
  Speaker 16: for Jeffrey Epstein in Miami, I believe during one of
• 39:11
  Speaker 16: the princesses first birthday.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: To that effect.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Good lord, well, the other person, another very prominent person
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: caught up and all this is Bill Gates, of course,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: claims that he picked up a sexually transmitted disease from
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: a Russian woman. He's denied that publicly, But listen to
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Melinda Gates, the former wife of Bill Gates, talking about
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: all of this.
• 39:33
  Speaker 17: Whatever questions remain there of what I don't can't even
• 39:37
  Speaker 17: begin to know all of it. Those questions are for
• 39:40
  Speaker 17: those people, and from even my ex husband. They need
• 39:42
  Speaker 17: to answer to those things, not me. Well, and I
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: am so happy to be away from all the muck.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: That it was there. She's happy, she's no longer married
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to Bill Gates. She's happy to be away from the muck,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: as she put it. And we've just seen this interview
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: with Bill Gates on Channel nine.
• 40:03
  Speaker 18: It's actually true that I was only at dinners. You know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 18: I never went to the island. I never met any women.
• 40:09
  Speaker 18: And so, you know, the more that comes out, the
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake,
• 40:15
  Speaker 18: it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: There we go. I never went there for any women.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna this is getting a curious and curious esther.
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: Yes it is.
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: And unfortunately for Bill Gates now he has to probably
• 40:32
  Speaker 16: deal with the insinuation at least for many people that
• 40:35
  Speaker 16: Melinda chose to divorce him and get herself out of
• 40:38
  Speaker 16: that world. Also because of his association or his tenuous links,
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: which he denies with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, the allegation
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: that he presumably got an STD from a Russian prostitute
• 40:51
  Speaker 16: that was associated with Jeffrey Epstein was actually written in
• 40:53
  Speaker 16: a note by Jeffrey Epstein and to himself, so it
• 40:56
  Speaker 16: wasn't actually a form of correspondent. So there are allegations
• 40:59
  Speaker 16: that he wrote that for the purposes of explicit blackmailing,
• 41:01
  Speaker 16: which again will become clearer later on down the line,
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: but obviously the damage is already learned. I mean, it's
• 41:06
  Speaker 16: just a terrible, terrible.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Story, and just quickly Peter Mandelsson, who was not long
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: ago was the UK ambassador in Washington. I met him
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: years ago when he was a minister in the Blair government.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: He's been completely discriced and he's a problem for the
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: current government.
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, the role of Manderson's scandal other than
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: the fact that he was alleged to have passed on
• 41:28
  Speaker 16: sensitive information about the government's plans during the two thousand
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: and eight financial crisis, which is completely ridiculous. Is kis
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: Thomas complete lack of judgment? Why did you bring this
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: man back into government who had had to resign twice
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: previously in disgrace, one of which was for trying to
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: peddle his influence to get an Indian billionaire a British
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: passport by sending an email to the Home Office on
• 41:50
  Speaker 16: his behalf. There was no reason for someone like Peter
• 41:52
  Speaker 16: Mandlson to have anything to do with the government. But
• 41:55
  Speaker 16: this goes to show Kisalmer's complete lack of judgment. This
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: is the person who's leading the British govern That is
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: the real issue. It's like everyone could see the stink
• 42:03
  Speaker 16: from a mile away, but somehow he couldn't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well said Esther.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Esther Crackley there in the UK,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to get to a break on the other
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: side the Wednesday wrangle e bikes running them up? Do
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: we need new laws? I think we might. I'll take
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: that up with James Bolt and Justin Smith. Let's get
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: into Wednesday Wrangle a version thereof. We've got Sky News
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: contributor James Bolt stepping up to the plate today and
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Justin Smith, columnists and broadcaster and author joining.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Us from Melbourne.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Jens, I want to get your thoughts first up on
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: e bikes. Have a look at these pictures from the
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Sydney Harbor Bridge where we've.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Got dozens of young people on.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: E bikes scooting across amongst the traffic. Here, unbelievable pictures
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: just round of these essentially electric motorbikes, these things and
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: they were warned by police because this was illegal apparently,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: but finds no prosecutions. We've had some deaths around the country,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: just where people are being hit by ear bikes on footpaths.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: But this sort of thing on the streets I think
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: is a real worry. How do we how do we
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: tackle this as a country because they are effectively motorbikes,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: but they're treated as pushbikes.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's that's the problem right there.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Mate.
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: You've just nailed at Chris that they are treated they're
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: treated like pushbikes.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: And while we do that, I mean.
• 43:30
  Speaker 19: We've seen how fast they go, we see how much
• 43:33
  Speaker 19: trouble that they can cause, while we treat them like pushbikes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 19: The problem is just going to go on. I mean,
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: and the fact that they just got a stern finger
• 43:42
  Speaker 19: waving and are talking to by police as outrageous because
• 43:46
  Speaker 19: as we know, they're going to brag to everybody on
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: social media that they got away with it. And imagine
• 43:51
  Speaker 19: so and what could be more high profile in this
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: country than the Harbor Bridge And I mean, it's just
• 43:59
  Speaker 19: it's it's an extraordinary circumstance that we've got at the
• 44:02
  Speaker 19: moment with the way that the police have handled this.
• 44:06
  Speaker 19: Because if you're a look at this, if you're a
• 44:07
  Speaker 19: driver who's cruising along and you think, oh, well, look,
• 44:11
  Speaker 19: what the hell I mean, I'm sticking to the speed limit.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: I don't drink and drive.
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: I always stop on the red What the hell am
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: I doing the right thing for when these punks can
• 44:20
  Speaker 19: do the wrong thing and just get away with it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've got to change, James.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I'm against the nanny state, and normally I hate too
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: many laws. But I was stuck in some heavy traffic
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: yesterday and someone on a scooter carefully went around me
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: and parked in front of me because there was space.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Well that's sensible, but this is a person who has
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: to get a license. They have to register that bike
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: and have insurance for it if they hurt anyone, they
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: have to wear a proper helmet. And then scooting past
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: on the outside in a really dangerous manner. Two school
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: boys on et bikes going faster than the scooter and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: they don't have to have registration and insurance.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: They didn't have proper.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: They had they had helmets, but just bike helmets and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: completely unlicensed.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's a recipe for disaster. I fear we're
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: going to see some shocking accidents.
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean we already have seen the shocking accidents
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: and you alluded to earlier. The interesting thing for me
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: about this Harbor Bridge one is that it's being branded
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: as an e by problem, which it is like you
• 45:12
  Speaker 15: can't be doing that, but also like even if they
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: were on pushbikes or something like that, it would still
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: be a thing you are not allowed to do it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: It's illegal.
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: And yet so strangely to me that the government goes
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: out and says, oh, this is an ebo problem, we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: looking into it. To me, it's a forty people committing
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: a crime problem and they get talked to by police.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: I think.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know in.
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: New South Wales police officers. I know that they didn't
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: sign up to not enforce the law. So surely the
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: police officers had been tearing their hair out going. I
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: can't believe I spent my day not arresting people for
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: committing a crime.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, issuing fines presumably, I suppose because they were kids.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the New South Wales prim
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you had to.
• 45:48
  Speaker 20: Say about it, and we're now in a situation where
• 45:50
  Speaker 20: we're trying to close the barn door after close to
• 45:53
  Speaker 20: a million of these machines are on Sydney streets. But
• 45:56
  Speaker 20: we're working on a program and we'll have more to
• 45:58
  Speaker 20: say soon that the current situation is intolerable and it's
• 46:03
  Speaker 20: dangerous for a lot of people.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have keep on this.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I know other states are looking at law changes as well,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: so we'll keep on this as a problem.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Right around the country. I want to go to the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: latest demand from the union movement.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: The ACTU is pushing for new rules justin where people
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: knock off because of the heat. Now, this is not
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: extreme heat. They're saying anything about thirty five degrees. Yes,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: off you go down to the pool or the pub
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is. This is ridiculous, isn't it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 19: I whens the last time that you cart brick around
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: or chop something down in thirty five degree heat?
• 46:38
  Speaker 20: Base?
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: The last time that twenty labor in the day.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And I never knocked off at thirty five degrees. But
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you're right, I'm very mud now.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: I work in there as a young bloke.
• 46:48
  Speaker 19: Yes, yeah, Look, I mean I said here in this
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: the glory of this studio, where the air conditioners pumping
• 46:55
  Speaker 19: on me, it's pretty easy for me to say that
• 46:58
  Speaker 19: thirty five degrees isn't hot enough. I think I think
• 47:00
  Speaker 19: it's plenty hot enough thirty five degrees, and I would
• 47:03
  Speaker 19: say good luck to the union if they can get
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: this one across the line.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Well, how's that? What's that going to do to our productivity?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: James Building site in the country shut down for most
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: of the summer.
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah, there was a really fine segment on two GB
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: today where a fire fo worker in Pilburo said, I
• 47:17
  Speaker 15: wonder if this applies where I'm working a firefighter as well,
• 47:20
  Speaker 15: was like, that'd be an interesting one for my industry.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: That.
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 15: I also like how it's the knee jerk reaction is
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: to immediately go while we need to stop working. I mean, like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: are there other mitigating factors that could be But no,
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: As with unions often it is straight to the we
• 47:34
  Speaker 15: need to stop working at this.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Point, maybe not start earlier.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: We'll learn about thirty seventy reconds, We'll see what happens.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I want to show you that the laters from Donald Trump. Now.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I love the way he calls out the media.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I spend a lot of my time calling out
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: media colleagues, as you know, But have.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: A look at this one. Did he go too far?
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: Would survivors.
• 48:00
  Speaker 21: Reporter? No one to see CNN has no ratings because
• 48:03
  Speaker 21: of people like you. You know, she's a young woman.
• 48:06
  Speaker 21: I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known
• 48:08
  Speaker 21: you for ten years. I don't think I've ever seen a.
• 48:11
  Speaker 20: Smile on it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 21: You know why you's not smiling because you know you're
• 48:15
  Speaker 21: not telling the truth and you're a very disarnest organization
• 48:20
  Speaker 21: and they should be ashamed of you.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Now, James, what do you think, Whatever you think of
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Trump's and whatever you think of CNN, he's the most
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: powerful man in the world. Is that bullying and public
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: humiliation or just good to and.
• 48:34
  Speaker 15: Fro I think at this point it's part of the
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: course for him. But I think it's interesting, like Trump
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: is such a Sledgehamdler is a sledg Chammer twenty four seven.
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: Sometimes it's great, and then when you're getting asked a
• 48:45
  Speaker 15: question about the Epstein Finals, you can't come off as
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: a sledgehammer. I know he's sick of it. I know
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: there's so much you know, like, oh, trumpling, trumpling Trump length,
• 48:52
  Speaker 15: and they haven't really been able to substance yet any
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: But that's not the time to be sledgehammer.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your quick word justin haven't released all of files yet.
• 49:01
  Speaker 19: Oh look, and then I think that was just that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 19: pretty full honors. And if you worked with someone who'd
• 49:07
  Speaker 19: behave like that, you'd have hr down on them like
• 49:11
  Speaker 19: a ton of bricks. I mean, he's a bully and
• 49:14
  Speaker 19: a coward. And if he ever did that, if he
• 49:17
  Speaker 19: ever did that to me, and when I was asking
• 49:18
  Speaker 19: him a question, I would know that I'm on the
• 49:20
  Speaker 19: right track. Will you notice the only time he ever
• 49:23
  Speaker 19: does that is when he's getting the proper questions. So
• 49:26
  Speaker 19: I would say, good job to the journalist.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just too much.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: It's just too far.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But that's Donald Trump for us. Thanks for joining us,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: James and Justin. Will catch you next week.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: That's just about I haven't got time for your feedback
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: about the current political situation. A couple of you had
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: some strong things to say online. One of you said
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: if you want change, change your vote, and they also
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: said that the Libs are a shambles. One nation is
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the future. I'll catch you tomorrow. Here's Peter Quidlin