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- 0:00Speaker 1: So we were just talking about commercials, and I know
- 0:02Speaker 1: I do a lot of ad reads at the beginning,
- 0:04Speaker 1: but I wanted to just talk about ad reads for
- 0:07Speaker 1: a second because I think that there was a moment
- 0:10Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, commercials have died because Netflix
- 0:15Speaker 1: and DVDs didn't really have commercials. Although some DVDs, there's
- 0:19Speaker 1: two kinds of DVDs that have previews. Some DVDs will
- 0:23Speaker 1: make you watch the previews when you put in the
- 0:25Speaker 1: disc and it's not possible to skip it.
- 0:28Speaker 2: In fear.
- 0:29Speaker 1: And I love, there's two versions of that. One is
- 0:32Speaker 1: the DVD, this is like more modern, will connect to
- 0:35Speaker 1: the internet and play relevant trailers for like current movies.
- 0:40Speaker 1: But the old version is it would always be a
- 0:43Speaker 1: snapshot in time. So you would always, like if you
- 0:46Speaker 1: wanted to watch the DVD for, I don't know, you know,
- 0:51Speaker 1: like Armageddon, and it came out at the time of
- 0:56Speaker 1: How to Lose a Guy, the DVD came out At
- 0:59Speaker 1: the time How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days
- 1:00Speaker 1: came out, you're watching that trailer for How to Lose
- 1:02Speaker 1: a Guy in 10 Days every time you ever want
- 1:04Speaker 1: to watch Armageddon.
- 1:06Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:07Speaker 1: That's amazing. But now we have in our screensavers for
- 1:13Speaker 1: our TVs are commercials. You just had a Candy Crush
- 1:15Speaker 1: commercial as your screensaver on your TV. The Roku screensaver
- 1:20Speaker 1: is like it just pans over this cartoon cityscape, which
- 1:24Speaker 1: I was fine with. But then they started putting commercials
- 1:26Speaker 1: in it. So like in the cityscape that's just cartoon
- 1:31Speaker 1: panning around, you would see like a Burger King or
- 1:34Speaker 1: something in the skyline. And there was a story that
- 1:38Speaker 1: came out. People are very, very mad at the gaming
- 1:40Speaker 1: companies for a lot of reasons. Like you don't own
- 1:43Speaker 1: games anymore. You just sort of are like if you
- 1:47Speaker 1: buy a game for $ 70, you're just long-term renting it
- 1:50Speaker 1: until the company decides to take it away from you.
- 1:53Speaker 1: But a new thing that came out is while you
- 1:55Speaker 1: were playing, Sony, I don't know if this is a rumor,
- 1:58Speaker 1: but I saw online today that Sony is planning to,
- 2:01Speaker 1: while you're playing a game, like in the middle of
- 2:04Speaker 1: a cut scene or whatever, there'll be a break for
- 2:07Speaker 1: commercials while you're playing the video game, which has never
- 2:10Speaker 1: happened before in the history of video games. And that
- 2:13Speaker 1: is disgusting. Like, disgusting. These companies have no shame. I
- 2:19Speaker 1: hate it. I hate the world we live in.
- 2:21Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Amazon Prime that drives me insane.
- 2:25Speaker 2: You pay for that subscription and there's still ads during
- 2:29Speaker 2: stuff with them. I don't get that at all.
- 2:33Speaker 1: We can't go on a rant again about why physical
- 2:36Speaker 1: media is great and how you buy a movie on
- 2:39Speaker 1: Comcast and you own it forever or until you get
- 2:41Speaker 1: rid of Comcast. I can't get into that rant again.
- 2:45Speaker 1: But this podcast episode is brought to you by nothing.
- 2:49Speaker 1: Fuck you. Buckle your shoes. Oh, Ryan, correction on that.
- 3:13Speaker 1: I just got an email. This podcast is actually brought
- 3:17Speaker 1: to you by McDonald's, General Electric, and Raytheon.
- 3:21Speaker 2: Whoa.
- 3:22Speaker 1: All wonderful sponsors that I appreciate. Love you guys. So
- 3:28Speaker 1: thank you for that.
- 3:31Speaker 2: They'll send you a spray bottle for the cat. They'll
- 3:33Speaker 2: send you one.
- 3:34Speaker 1: They'll send me something. Welcome back. We're continuing to talk
- 3:39Speaker 1: about Anjus. Is that how you pronounce it?
- 3:43Speaker 2: Yeah, Anjus.
- 3:46Speaker 1: Krangus. That's what I kept telling in text to Ryan.
- 3:49Speaker 1: I always said Krangus. I'm not trying to trash Bridget,
- 3:55Speaker 1: but I remember a Bridget moment that infuriated me. Keep
- 3:58Speaker 1: in mind, like, I'm 14, she's 19. So we're both stupid.
- 4:01Speaker 1: This was a million years ago. And I don't think
- 4:03Speaker 1: Bridget would be this close-minded. But I remember Bridget said,
- 4:08Speaker 1: without knowing anything about the movie, said to me, because
- 4:11Speaker 1: I had it on VHS, I think I bought it
- 4:13Speaker 1: at Suncoast Video at the Natick Mall, only you would
- 4:16Speaker 1: like a movie called Angus. And I was like, what
- 4:19Speaker 1: the hell does that mean? And she said, obviously a
- 4:21Speaker 1: movie that's called Angus is stupid and bad. And I
- 4:25Speaker 1: was so infuriated at the time. I was 14. I'm like,
- 4:29Speaker 1: You know nothing about this.
- 4:33Speaker 2: So, yeah.
- 4:35Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons why this movie was not
- 4:37Speaker 1: a financial success. One of them being the name. One
- 4:40Speaker 1: of them being the two stars of the film. But nonetheless,
- 4:43Speaker 1: it's great.
- 4:45Speaker 2: Do you remember seeing commercials for it when it was
- 4:46Speaker 2: coming out? Yes.
- 4:48Speaker 1: Because there's a line that's coming up that was in
- 4:51Speaker 1: every single trailer.
- 4:53Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember them dancing. Troy and Angus dancing when
- 4:57Speaker 2: they were like practicing in his room I remember that
- 4:59Speaker 2: was a big thing in the commercials.
- 5:01Speaker 1: And I just said to Shannon cause Shannon's not tapped
- 5:03Speaker 1: in on movies but she's tapped in on 90's movies
- 5:05Speaker 1: especially high school movies and she was like oh yeah
- 5:09Speaker 1: Angus that vaguely sounds familiar and I said you know
- 5:11Speaker 1: who's the villain and she said who James Van Der
- 5:14Speaker 1: Beek and she was like oh James Van Der Beek
- 5:16Speaker 1: love him Rick Sanford so Angus was just elected homecoming
- 5:24Speaker 1: king Winter ball king. I'm going to say homecoming because whatever.
- 5:27Speaker 1: It's the same thing. As a joke, as a prank.
- 5:30Speaker 1: And Ryan, the monsters in my class, the sociopaths in
- 5:34Speaker 1: my class in high school, this actually happened in my
- 5:37Speaker 1: high school.
- 5:38Speaker 2: Really?
- 5:39Speaker 1: Yes. It was, I believe, freshman year. And I would
- 5:45Speaker 1: never do– there was a girl in my class who
- 5:47Speaker 1: was very unfortunate looking. She was kind and she was normal.
- 5:54Speaker 1: She would talk. She wasn't like a complete introvert, recluse weirdo.
- 5:59Speaker 1: She was like a normal personality. But she happened to
- 6:01Speaker 1: be very unattractive. And we'll pretend her name is Teresa.
- 6:06Speaker 1: It wasn't. But Teresa was elected homecoming queen freshman year
- 6:12Speaker 1: along with some loser guy that everybody thought was a dork.
- 6:16Speaker 1: And my class did it as a prank. And then
- 6:20Speaker 1: the way that the faculty reacted– is without discussing it
- 6:24Speaker 1: with the class, without announcing anything, like, on the day
- 6:28Speaker 1: of homecoming, they just went to a couple, like a
- 6:31Speaker 1: known normal couple that were dating at the time at Marion,
- 6:35Speaker 1: and said, like, you guys are homecoming king and queen.
- 6:38Speaker 1: And they said, okay. And then they, like, never addressed
- 6:41Speaker 1: it again. So they didn't actually have to.
- 6:45Speaker 2: Probably a good way to handle that.
- 6:47Speaker 1: That's a good way to handle that. They didn't have
- 6:48Speaker 1: to suffer the embarrassment of actually, like, Being paraded because
- 6:53Speaker 1: there's literally a homecoming parade where we would make floats.
- 6:57Speaker 1: They would be paraded as a mockery of like, wow,
- 7:00Speaker 1: what a loser you are. You're going to be in
- 7:02Speaker 1: this parade so we can all laugh at you. What
- 7:04Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with 14-year-old people?
- 7:09Speaker 2: Kids are mean, man.
- 7:10Speaker 1: And this was democracy. Like the election happened and the
- 7:15Speaker 1: Rick Sanford in my class, it wasn't really– there wasn't
- 7:18Speaker 1: really a Rick Sanford. It was more like a collection
- 7:19Speaker 1: of people. They said, everybody vote for this. And everybody
- 7:22Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, this is really funny. I certainly
- 7:25Speaker 1: fucking didn't. There was no fucking way I was going
- 7:27Speaker 1: to vote for Teresa in The Loser Kid. But they won. So,
- 7:34Speaker 1: if Bridget listens to this, she's going to be really upset.
- 7:38Speaker 1: Because she texted me, like, what happened to Fat Bitch Holly?
- 7:42Speaker 1: During the Breakfast Club podcast? Because it talked about how...
- 7:45Speaker 1: that the overweight girl in the locker next to mine
- 7:47Speaker 1: was relentlessly bullied and was called a fat bitch. And
- 7:49Speaker 1: her name was Holly. Bridget was like, what happened to
- 7:52Speaker 1: fat bitch Holly? I go, I don't know. I haven't
- 7:53Speaker 1: seen her.
- 7:54Speaker 2: And hopefully she, uh, yeah, she moved on to better things. Yeah.
- 7:58Speaker 1: I haven't seen her in 26 years. So I said
- 8:01Speaker 1: to Bridget, she's probably dead. That's what I said.
- 8:03Speaker 2: Wow.
- 8:06Speaker 1: Uh, so Angus says to Troy, there is absolutely no
- 8:10Speaker 1: way I'm going to this dance. I know what they're doing.
- 8:12Speaker 1: This is a prank. Cause Rick Sanford is an asshole. Uh,
- 8:15Speaker 1: And Troy says, you have to go to the dance
- 8:17Speaker 1: because you literally will get to dance with Melissa. The
- 8:20Speaker 1: homecoming queen have a dance.
- 8:23Speaker 2: I like this. I like that Troy does this. I do.
- 8:26Speaker 2: I really like this. Yeah.
- 8:27Speaker 1: And Angus says, he's trying to rationalize. He goes, maybe
- 8:31Speaker 1: Melissa will view the dance with me like a trip
- 8:33Speaker 1: to the dentist. Uh, which was the perfect analogy for this. Uh, like,
- 8:37Speaker 1: you know, you gotta do it and it's not fun,
- 8:39Speaker 1: but it's fine. I'm not going to freak out about it. Um, Well,
- 8:44Speaker 1: go ahead.
- 8:44Speaker 2: Go ahead, Ryan. I like the line, because it plays
- 8:48Speaker 2: into later, where Troy's like, you have to do, you
- 8:52Speaker 2: have to do. He's like, are you kidding me? Melissa's
- 8:54Speaker 2: probably puking her guts out somewhere. Yes.
- 8:59Speaker 1: Very good, Ryan. Foreshadowing. Very good. Angus is doing homework
- 9:03Speaker 1: in his room, and he has a framed picture of
- 9:05Speaker 1: Melissa on his desk. Hmm.
- 9:09Speaker 2: Very 1995. Yeah, very. Yikes. Yikes. Yeah.
- 9:15Speaker 1: And because because Angus says in all these years, I've
- 9:20Speaker 1: never spoken to Melissa.
- 9:23Speaker 2: Yes. Yikes.
- 9:26Speaker 1: Troy gives it shows a picture like her cheerleading photo
- 9:30Speaker 1: to Angus and says, this is your motivation. You need
- 9:33Speaker 1: to you need to be motivated by this to want
- 9:35Speaker 1: to go to the dance to prepare to go to
- 9:37Speaker 1: the dance. And he's like describing her body and saying, like,
- 9:41Speaker 1: look at her tight little stomach muscles. Look at her legs.
- 9:44Speaker 1: And I'm like, hmm, I don't– I'm a little uncomfortable
- 9:47Speaker 1: with this scene. But Troy says, we're going to give
- 9:52Speaker 1: you a makeover. And this is the line that was
- 9:55Speaker 1: always in the trailer. He says, we're gonna turn you
- 9:57Speaker 1: from a large pathetic virgin to a large pathetic virgin
- 10:00Speaker 1: with a new look.
- 10:03Speaker 2: That was a great line uh so.
- 10:05Speaker 1: Grandpa being a great friend he tells grandpa about this
- 10:09Speaker 1: grandpa says why is this so bad and angus is
- 10:12Speaker 1: like i don't know how to dance so grandpa takes
- 10:14Speaker 1: him to dance lessons like pays for a professional to
- 10:17Speaker 1: give him dance lessons and how does that go.
- 10:19Speaker 2: Ryan Rough at first, they meet up with Madame Rolenska.
- 10:27Speaker 2: Grandpa has a history with her from the way that
- 10:30Speaker 2: energy in that room is.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Grandpa's the man.
- 10:34Speaker 2: And he's describing before they get there about... the Irish swoon.
- 10:39Speaker 2: It's this thing that like, it's this trick you learned
- 10:42Speaker 2: to sweep them off their feet. Yes. Uh, Angus has
- 10:45Speaker 2: just got two left feet, not a great dancer. And
- 10:48Speaker 2: they're just like, follow the feet. Like there's like a
- 10:50Speaker 2: little map of how to dance on the floor and
- 10:52Speaker 2: he's just not doing it. And he finally just does
- 10:57Speaker 2: his own thing. It gets a little bit better. And
- 11:00Speaker 2: the grandfather just says, screw them. Just dance.
- 11:05Speaker 1: I think I've said this on the podcast before, but
- 11:07Speaker 1: my roommate, Chris Cameron, who is very, very good with women,
- 11:11Speaker 1: he was always bringing different girls home and having one-night stands.
- 11:15Speaker 1: And I asked him, what is the key? What is
- 11:18Speaker 1: the key to your success? And he said, it's all
- 11:20Speaker 1: irrational confidence. So he's like, I just dance my ass off.
- 11:25Speaker 1: If I'm at a club or at a bar with
- 11:28Speaker 1: music or at a wedding, I dance my ass off.
- 11:30Speaker 1: And I'm not good at dancing. I look like an idiot.
- 11:32Speaker 1: But I don't care. And women love that. And I
- 11:35Speaker 1: always remembered that advice. Confidence is key, as my dad
- 11:41Speaker 1: told you one day, Ryan.
- 11:43Speaker 2: Words I've never forgot. We should also say, Madame Rolinska,
- 11:47Speaker 2: played by Rita Moreno, another Oscar winner in this movie.
- 11:50Speaker 1: There's three of them. I did see, okay, somebody's having
- 11:53Speaker 1: a freak out, Yoda, I think. But I did see
- 11:56Speaker 1: three Oscar winners in this movie, and it was Grandpa, Mom,
- 11:59Speaker 1: and Madame Rolinska. I was like, what?
- 12:01Speaker 2: So strange.
- 12:03Speaker 1: So strange. And I also saw Oh, this was the
- 12:06Speaker 1: last ever role of some actor who had been in
- 12:09Speaker 1: Little Rascals. And he plays the priest at the very
- 12:13Speaker 1: end of the movie.
- 12:13Speaker 2: I was like, what? Weird.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Yeah, weird. Anyways, so that goes very, very poorly. And
- 12:21Speaker 1: Grandpa takes Angus to the Tux rental store to get him.
- 12:24Speaker 1: I feel like people don't do this anymore. I feel
- 12:26Speaker 1: like Tux rentals is a thing of the past. I
- 12:29Speaker 1: feel like it's all for weddings and stuff. It's always
- 12:32Speaker 1: you have to buy a suit now. And the logic is, hey,
- 12:35Speaker 1: you know, a tux rental is maybe like $ 100 to $ 200,
- 12:38Speaker 1: but you never use it again. If I make you
- 12:40Speaker 1: buy a suit, it's going to be more. But tuxes
- 12:43Speaker 1: are kind of viewed as like cheesy now. And if
- 12:46Speaker 1: you buy a suit, you'll have it forever. And like
- 12:49Speaker 1: all the suits that I wear to work events are
- 12:51Speaker 1: all suits I got at weddings.
- 12:53Speaker 2: Oh, so you have used them again. Oh, yeah. 100%. Really? Yeah.
- 12:56Speaker 1: Because if you have to buy like a black suit,
- 12:58Speaker 1: I think Eric made me buy a black suit. Pat
- 13:01Speaker 1: made me buy a navy blue suit. I feel like
- 13:03Speaker 1: I don't really wear a black suit a lot like
- 13:04Speaker 1: except for funerals. But navy blue suit, a navy blue
- 13:07Speaker 1: suit you can wear every day.
- 13:10Speaker 2: Wow.
- 13:10Speaker 1: I mean if somebody makes you buy like an olive
- 13:12Speaker 1: green suit, then that might be a little tough. I
- 13:15Speaker 1: made everybody rent the tux because I'm an asshole. But yeah.
- 13:21Speaker 1: So– Uh, so they go to the Tuck's store and
- 13:26Speaker 1: the guy says, who's also a famous actor. Who's this guy?
- 13:28Speaker 1: The guy, the Tuck's store guy.
- 13:31Speaker 2: Um, I, he looked familiar. I don't know. Um.
- 13:35Speaker 1: Oh, it's, uh, Jimity Shardadushu.
- 13:42Speaker 2: Yes.
- 13:43Speaker 1: Uh, his name is Perry Enzi Enzalotti. You'd recognize him
- 13:48Speaker 1: if you saw him. He explains, uh, There are no
- 13:52Speaker 1: black tuxes in your size. They've all been rented out. Like,
- 13:54Speaker 1: we have some big and tall tuxes here, but they've
- 13:56Speaker 1: all been rented out. And then what happens, Ryan?
- 14:00Speaker 2: He's like, we have another one, though. And it's a
- 14:07Speaker 2: giant purple suit. No, it's plum. And I love that's
- 14:12Speaker 2: the running joke.
- 14:14Speaker 1: Yeah, because Angus says it's purple, and the tux guy goes,
- 14:17Speaker 1: it's plum. So that's like the joke is to correct
- 14:20Speaker 1: someone who says purple.
- 14:21Speaker 2: I actually think this suit looks great.
- 14:26Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 14:27Speaker 2: I thought it looked really good.
- 14:30Speaker 1: He says, Grandpa, everyone's going to be wearing black. And
- 14:32Speaker 1: Grandpa says, you'll be different. Who cares? And he says,
- 14:35Speaker 1: I don't want to be different. I want to be normal.
- 14:38Speaker 1: But they have to get the plum tux because there's
- 14:39Speaker 1: no other tuxes available. And Troy says, we have to
- 14:43Speaker 1: practice dancing. I got you a blow-up doll. Her name
- 14:47Speaker 1: is Wanda.
- 14:48Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 14:49Speaker 1: And I'm going to videotape you dancing with her. And
- 14:52Speaker 1: Angus is like, there's no way I'm going to let
- 14:53Speaker 1: you record this. He says, this is what jocks do
- 14:55Speaker 1: when they play football. They watch film. They see how
- 14:58Speaker 1: they can be better. And Angus is like, fine, but
- 15:01Speaker 1: you have to promise no one will ever see this tape,
- 15:03Speaker 1: including your mom. And then Troy says, I swear on
- 15:07Speaker 1: my life, no one will ever watch this except for
- 15:09Speaker 1: you and me.
- 15:09Speaker 2: I also love that we never see the mom the
- 15:12Speaker 2: entire movie. We never see Troy's mom. It's just this
- 15:14Speaker 2: fabled person. I do want to call out Troy's line
- 15:19Speaker 2: in the tuck shop, though. It's like, what do you think?
- 15:21Speaker 2: Put it on a dead guy and bury it, was
- 15:24Speaker 2: the description for the suit.
- 15:26Speaker 1: Somebody says later a great line is, he looks like Barney.
- 15:30Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. So they're watching the tape. Or no,
- 15:35Speaker 1: Angus is dancing with the blow-up doll. Yeah. He's like,
- 15:41Speaker 1: this is weird. I don't want to touch a blow-up doll.
- 15:43Speaker 1: And Troy says, hey, a girl's bod is a girl's bod.
- 15:47Speaker 1: And Angus says, there's more to girls than just their bods.
- 15:51Speaker 1: And Troy says, oh, so you like Melissa because of
- 15:53Speaker 1: her grades? Which is a fair point. Angus, you're in
- 15:56Speaker 1: love with Melissa, who's beautiful. Who you don't talk to.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Who you've never talked to.
- 16:01Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 16:03Speaker 1: And he says, I don't know how to describe it,
- 16:08Speaker 1: but whenever I see Melissa, I get a pain in
- 16:10Speaker 1: my stomach. And Troy says you famously, I think this was,
- 16:14Speaker 1: might've been in the trailer too. You got a boner
- 16:16Speaker 1: in your stomach.
- 16:17Speaker 2: It had to have been. I remember when I heard it,
- 16:19Speaker 2: I was like this thing being so memorable throughout the
- 16:21Speaker 2: entire movie. Yeah. Yeah.
- 16:23Speaker 1: So did you have a Melissa Lefevre, like a girl
- 16:25Speaker 1: that you were just, you thought she was 10 out
- 16:28Speaker 1: of 10 beautiful. You're obsessed with her, but you never
- 16:29Speaker 1: spoke to her in middle school or high school.
- 16:32Speaker 2: Um, yes, but not, not never spoke. Like definitely my,
- 16:38Speaker 2: my game was DNA, which is doing an approach. Um,
- 16:42Speaker 2: But you eventually had to speak to these people. So yeah,
- 16:45Speaker 2: but it was never like anything remotely attempting anything close
- 16:50Speaker 2: to this. Yeah.
- 16:52Speaker 1: So my Melissa Lefevre in middle school was Kim Sullivan.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Kim Sullivan was a straight up babe. She had like
- 17:02Speaker 1: big lips, big eyelashes, was super hot. Again, it's fucked
- 17:06Speaker 1: up that I'm talking about like a middle school girl,
- 17:08Speaker 1: but this is from my perspective when I was her
- 17:10Speaker 1: exact same age. Please keep in mind. And, um, I
- 17:14Speaker 1: sat next to her, like we had interacted. It's not
- 17:16Speaker 1: like I didn't say a word to her, but I
- 17:18Speaker 1: didn't really say a word to her. And all my
- 17:20Speaker 1: friends knew that I had like the biggest crush on her.
- 17:22Speaker 1: And there was a math class, Mr. Man is math class.
- 17:25Speaker 1: I sat and I happened to, we had assigned seats.
- 17:27Speaker 1: I happened to sit next to her. So I would
- 17:28Speaker 1: occasionally interact with her and she'd be like, Hey, Tim,
- 17:31Speaker 1: can I borrow a pencil? And I'd just be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
- 17:39Speaker 1: I have pencils.
- 17:40Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the slow motion scene. It's just all there.
- 17:43Speaker 2: It's right there. It's ready to go.
- 17:44Speaker 1: And I would hand her a pencil and I'd be like, oh,
- 17:47Speaker 1: my God, she's using my pencil. And then at the
- 17:49Speaker 1: end of class, she would say, oh, here you go
- 17:51Speaker 1: and hand it back to me. And I'm like, no, Kim,
- 17:53Speaker 1: you keep this forever. But the last time I ever
- 17:56Speaker 1: talked to her in my life was it was the
- 17:58Speaker 1: last day of eighth grade. and we were in the
- 18:01Speaker 1: front lobby of the school leaving, and I knew she
- 18:04Speaker 1: was going to Neda Kai with everybody else, and I'm
- 18:06Speaker 1: going to Marion, private Catholic school, so I'd never see
- 18:09Speaker 1: her or talk to her again. So I said to her,
- 18:11Speaker 1: and she had to have known, like had to have
- 18:14Speaker 1: known to some extent. We interacted enough. I said to her, hey, Kim,
- 18:19Speaker 1: and I never approached her or talked to her. I said, hey, Kim,
- 18:22Speaker 1: it's the last day of school. I'm going to Marion,
- 18:25Speaker 1: so I probably won't see you again, and she went like, Oh, okay, Tim.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Bye.
- 18:29Speaker 1: You know, like, cause we're not friends. And then I said,
- 18:31Speaker 1: I don't know if this is weird, but like, could
- 18:35Speaker 1: I hug you goodbye? And she said, yeah, you, you can.
- 18:39Speaker 1: And she gave me like a big hug.
- 18:41Speaker 2: Oh.
- 18:42Speaker 1: And, uh, and I was like, thank you. And then
- 18:44Speaker 1: I just sort of floated out of the school after that.
- 18:47Speaker 1: But the balls on me to ask for that. I can't,
- 18:49Speaker 1: I mean, even at that age, I was like, must've
- 18:52Speaker 1: been terrifying.
- 18:53Speaker 2: And for her to just say, sure.
- 18:56Speaker 1: She understood, and she knew I wasn't a bad kid.
- 18:58Speaker 1: I was always nice. So she was like, yeah, you can.
- 19:01Speaker 2: What wisdom.
- 19:03Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so appreciate that, Kim.
- 19:05Speaker 2: And then you float out, and they play JAR. That's
- 19:09Speaker 2: the end credits of Krangus.
- 19:12Speaker 1: Krangus, Kennedy Middle School, Krangus. And maybe five, ten years ago,
- 19:17Speaker 1: I said to Eric and Ben, because they went to
- 19:22Speaker 1: middle school with me, I go, I would bet my
- 19:24Speaker 1: life that Kim Sullivan is a hot adult. And I
- 19:28Speaker 1: looked her up on Facebook and I found her wedding
- 19:30Speaker 1: photos and she looked fucking amazing. And I was like, yup,
- 19:34Speaker 1: this is what I, she had a lot of tattoos
- 19:36Speaker 1: on her arm. That was the only like maybe surprising thing,
- 19:39Speaker 1: but she looked amazing. And I thought, yeah, that's, that's, yeah,
- 19:42Speaker 1: I could have bet.
- 19:43Speaker 2: Shout out to Kim Sullivan. Yeah.
- 19:45Speaker 1: Kim Sullivan. I know you're listening. Hit me up. I mean,
- 19:47Speaker 1: if your marriage didn't work out, my marriage is, like
- 19:50Speaker 1: kind of going a little south so.
- 19:52Speaker 2: Whoa whoa joe joe schlub please call in.
- 19:57Speaker 1: Oh and also she dated of course this happened she
- 20:00Speaker 1: dated a kid in high school who at least at
- 20:03Speaker 1: the time the rumor was he was like actively on
- 20:06Speaker 1: heroin And I thought, why? Why is she dating that kid?
- 20:11Speaker 1: That's not good. She didn't marry that kid, though, so
- 20:14Speaker 1: don't worry. All the Kim.
- 20:15Speaker 2: Sullivan fanatics out there. Okay. Okay.
- 20:19Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. And montage of Angus trying new looks,
- 20:26Speaker 1: trying different hairstyles, working on a science experiment, working out
- 20:30Speaker 1: and practicing his dancing. And go ahead.
- 20:34Speaker 2: Go ahead. I think you're going to this. Go ahead.
- 20:37Speaker 1: The radio segment.
- 20:39Speaker 2: Absolutely hilarious.
- 20:41Speaker 1: Amazing. Can I can I read it? I have it.
- 20:42Speaker 2: Please read this.
- 20:43Speaker 1: Unless you have this.
- 20:45Speaker 2: No, please read this.
- 20:47Speaker 1: So I guess it's just like working out and listening
- 20:49Speaker 1: to the radio. And you hear on the radio, the
- 20:51Speaker 1: DJ goes, all right, we got the winner for the
- 20:54Speaker 1: Green Day concert. Two tickets. Here we have Rick Sanford.
- 20:58Speaker 1: Tell us how you won, Rick. And then it's James
- 21:00Speaker 1: Van Der Beek on the radio. He goes, well, I
- 21:02Speaker 1: happen to be walking by a phone booth. And at
- 21:04Speaker 1: the exact moment, a car drove by playing Green Day.
- 21:07Speaker 1: So I figured I'd give it a shot and call.
- 21:10Speaker 2: The universe just worked out for me.
- 21:12Speaker 1: Everything works. And then you hear like a clink, clink,
- 21:14Speaker 1: clink noise. And he goes, oh, my God, the phone
- 21:16Speaker 1: just gave me my quarterback. Troy. Troy is in. school
- 21:26Speaker 1: now and he's wearing a shirt that would immediately get
- 21:29Speaker 1: him banned in 2026 it's a happy face that says
- 21:32Speaker 1: have a great day but it's brains have been blown
- 21:35Speaker 1: out by a bullet hole would not be allowed in
- 21:38Speaker 1: school today and Troy says like Rick and his cronies
- 21:42Speaker 1: walk by he goes Angus is going to blow you
- 21:45Speaker 1: off the dance floor he can really dance and so
- 21:48Speaker 1: in response Rick and his friends hang him from a
- 21:50Speaker 1: locker by the back of his shirt I.
- 21:53Speaker 2: Did love his friend's reaction. Not Kevin Connolly. The other
- 21:56Speaker 2: guy is like Angus can dance and weirdly like Vanderbeek
- 22:00Speaker 2: feels threatened by it. Yeah. He's like, Oh shit. And
- 22:03Speaker 2: then I love, and then his friend is just like,
- 22:05Speaker 2: I mean, you better hope he's not better than you.
- 22:08Speaker 2: Cause you dance like a white person.
- 22:11Speaker 1: And he does later in the movie at the dance,
- 22:18Speaker 1: they show James Vanderbeek dancing and he very much dances
- 22:20Speaker 1: like a white person. So he's basically worried, like, what
- 22:23Speaker 1: if Angus can really dance and he has a nice moment?
- 22:26Speaker 1: This moment is solely to disgrace and embarrass him. What
- 22:29Speaker 1: if he has a nice moment? So Rick starts to
- 22:31Speaker 1: get a little worried.
- 22:32Speaker 2: Were you really impressed, especially, like, at this part? I
- 22:36Speaker 2: feel like the conceit of this movie where, like, it's
- 22:40Speaker 2: the whole idea of, like, him being set up to
- 22:41Speaker 2: be embarrassed is, like... she's all that is Carrie is
- 22:46Speaker 2: all these movies where like the whole engine is the
- 22:49Speaker 2: anxiety of what's going to happen when this night, um,
- 22:53Speaker 2: when this whole thing takes place, this point is such
- 22:55Speaker 2: a good job of making it part of the movie,
- 22:57Speaker 2: but not the whole thing. Yeah. Even though it is
- 23:00Speaker 2: the kind of plot, you know, kind of engine, but
- 23:03Speaker 2: I don't know. I just really like, and they made
- 23:04Speaker 2: it so believable that Rick would feel threatened by Angus.
- 23:09Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I, I agree. I think that's a good point. Um,
- 23:14Speaker 1: And now it's after football or after gym. And thank God,
- 23:20Speaker 1: I have never in my life taken a communal shower.
- 23:25Speaker 1: And I'm so happy for that. I know Eric is
- 23:28Speaker 1: rolling over in his grave even though he's not dead.
- 23:30Speaker 1: Eric loves communal showers with other men. He's talked to
- 23:33Speaker 1: me about it. I never took a communal shower. And
- 23:36Speaker 1: when we went to Iceland, Mark was like, hey, just
- 23:38Speaker 1: to let you know, we're probably going to have to
- 23:39Speaker 1: take a communal shower together. It's very normal in Iceland
- 23:42Speaker 1: before we go into the what's it called? The Lagoon.
- 23:48Speaker 1: The Hot Lagoon. And I was like, that's not okay
- 23:51Speaker 1: with me. That's just, I don't like that. And you
- 23:55Speaker 1: had said to me, oh, because Mark's gay. And I said, no.
- 23:58Speaker 1: Not because he's gay. I just don't. I've never done
- 24:01Speaker 1: that with anyone. That's not what you said.
- 24:04Speaker 2: Not what I said.
- 24:04Speaker 1: But thank God we didn't. We had stalls. So we
- 24:07Speaker 1: did not have to do that. I didn't have to
- 24:08Speaker 1: see Ryan naked.
- 24:10Speaker 2: I have never done that myself. And... I'm doing you
- 24:15Speaker 2: a favor as much as you're doing me a favor
- 24:16Speaker 2: when that situation. Yeah.
- 24:18Speaker 1: Like even we got changed in front of each other.
- 24:21Speaker 1: Like we all turned away and we're in the locker
- 24:23Speaker 1: room changing. And even that, I'm like, this is so weird,
- 24:26Speaker 1: but Hey, Europeans, man, they're, they're free. But Troy, who's
- 24:31Speaker 1: tiny is a tiny redhead. Uh, he's not showering. And
- 24:36Speaker 1: the coach goes, Redbird hit the showers. No, I have
- 24:40Speaker 1: a note from my doctor. Uh, This is from your father.
- 24:42Speaker 1: My father's a doctor. Your father's a dentist. Hit the
- 24:46Speaker 1: showers every day with this kid.
- 24:47Speaker 2: I love it. I have sore gums. Yeah.
- 24:51Speaker 1: Yeah, so poor Troy being, like, such a small kid.
- 24:54Speaker 1: He's probably not hung like a horse. He doesn't want
- 24:56Speaker 1: to shower in front of the popular kids at school.
- 24:58Speaker 2: Also, coach, relax. Relax, coach. Why do you need this?
- 25:01Speaker 1: This is the thing with teachers, especially back in the day. Like,
- 25:03Speaker 1: fuck you, coach.
- 25:05Speaker 2: Yeah. So.
- 25:08Speaker 1: rick goes up and taunts angus and troy knowing that
- 25:11Speaker 1: angus can't do anything about it because he doesn't want
- 25:12Speaker 1: to blow a shot at um the school and he
- 25:16Speaker 1: says angus melissa has been bitching my ear off because
- 25:18Speaker 1: she has to dance with you and angus is like
- 25:23Speaker 1: give give troy give me my shirt back because rick
- 25:26Speaker 1: stole his shirt out of his locker um but angus
- 25:29Speaker 1: also realized after the fact he goes oh shit he
- 25:32Speaker 1: rick also stole my underwear and now ryan why don't
- 25:34Speaker 1: you explain what happens from.
- 25:35Speaker 2: Here so they are walking outside of school. They hear
- 25:40Speaker 2: people laughing. Uh, Troy notices, um, that Angus's underwear is
- 25:47Speaker 2: under the flag on the flagpole on the front lawn
- 25:50Speaker 2: of the school. Um, and Troy says in a truly
- 25:55Speaker 2: like blown away moment, can you believe it? Your underwear
- 25:58Speaker 2: is almost as big as the flag. And the amazing
- 26:03Speaker 2: thing that this movie does is like the one time
- 26:04Speaker 2: they go really kind of wacky is, uh, As Angus
- 26:08Speaker 2: is fixating on it and he's seeing Melissa walking towards him,
- 26:12Speaker 2: the underwear gets so big. And at one point in time,
- 26:15Speaker 2: it is like two bedsheets. It is hilarious. And I
- 26:19Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God. So as Melissa is walking
- 26:25Speaker 2: across the front lawn, Angus is praying she does not
- 26:29Speaker 2: see this. she happens to walk by and not see
- 26:33Speaker 2: it happen. And then as people are taking, taking the
- 26:37Speaker 2: flag down to remove the underwear, the underwear gets blown
- 26:42Speaker 2: out of the guy's hands or off the clothespins, whatever.
- 26:46Speaker 2: And then I don't know if this was done intentionally.
- 26:48Speaker 2: You hear someone say, Hey Melissa. And Melissa turns around
- 26:53Speaker 2: and just gets the full underwear in her face. Like
- 26:55Speaker 2: it couldn't have been worse.
- 26:57Speaker 1: Um, um, do you remember what Troy says?
- 27:01Speaker 2: Now that is a slice of the old dick pie.
- 27:03Speaker 2: I do love Tim. They hide in the bushes and
- 27:12Speaker 2: they wait until everyone's gone to avoid this. When the
- 27:16Speaker 2: coast is clear, this kid killed me. They're walking back
- 27:21Speaker 2: on the front lawn and there's a kid, random kid,
- 27:23Speaker 2: just sitting there. in front of the tree stump.
- 27:26Speaker 1: Reading a book, yeah.
- 27:28Speaker 2: Reading a book. He's like, see, look, no one's here.
- 27:32Speaker 2: I don't think anyone knew it was your underwear. And
- 27:34Speaker 2: that kid bursts into laughter. That was your underwear, Angus?
- 27:40Speaker 1: That was great.
- 27:40Speaker 2: That was great.
- 27:41Speaker 1: Troy just totally ruining the moment.
- 27:44Speaker 2: And then Troy has disappeared behind Angus as Angus is
- 27:49Speaker 2: walking out. And we see that Rick and his cronies
- 27:55Speaker 2: have pretty much threatened Troy, pushed him on the ground,
- 27:59Speaker 2: really hurt his arm. That they're like, hey, we need
- 28:03Speaker 2: something on Angus and you have to give it to us.
- 28:06Speaker 2: Pretty much threatening him with this. I like how when
- 28:10Speaker 2: he pushed, when Rick pushes Troy... I don't think he
- 28:15Speaker 2: meant to inflict the level of pain that he did. No.
- 28:18Speaker 2: And you can tell from his face, he's like, oh fuck,
- 28:20Speaker 2: I went too far with this. Yeah. But now it's
- 28:22Speaker 2: like too late. Yeah.
- 28:23Speaker 1: This, this scene truly hurt my heart. Cause Troy's a
- 28:26Speaker 1: little guy, but he's, he has courage and he talks
- 28:28Speaker 1: shit to Rick and he like puts on a tough
- 28:31Speaker 1: front cause he, he has to. And they're, they're bullying him. They're,
- 28:35Speaker 1: you got to give us something really bad on Angus
- 28:37Speaker 1: or we're going to like beat you up. And Troy's like, no,
- 28:40Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. And he starts to run away.
- 28:42Speaker 1: And when Rick trips him, he lands on the ground
- 28:45Speaker 1: and breaks his arm. And the actor who plays Troy
- 28:48Speaker 1: does such a good job in this moment where Troy,
- 28:51Speaker 1: you forget, he's a kid. He's a kid. And he
- 28:55Speaker 1: just starts crying really hard. And then Rick's friends get
- 28:58Speaker 1: freaked out and they bail. They run. Because they're like,
- 29:01Speaker 1: oh shit, this has gone too far. And then Vanderbeek
- 29:03Speaker 1: is kind of freaking out too. And he's like, well,
- 29:06Speaker 1: you better give me something or I'm going to do
- 29:08Speaker 1: this again. And he runs away. Yeah. Truly awful. So
- 29:13Speaker 1: Angus goes to Grandpa's chess game, and he says, people suck, Grandpa.
- 29:17Speaker 1: Grandpa says, there's always going to be a quarterback, Angus. Well,
- 29:19Speaker 1: I can't go to this dance. Grandpa says, you're a
- 29:21Speaker 1: coward if you don't go to the dance. Well, I
- 29:23Speaker 1: could smash Rick's face in. You're a coward if you do.
- 29:26Speaker 1: He says, Grandpa, you don't get it. And this is
- 29:29Speaker 1: what's so funny about teenagers, and we're all guilty of this.
- 29:31Speaker 1: I was 100% guilty of this, is that they think
- 29:33Speaker 1: adults have no wisdom. They just think they're corny idiots
- 29:37Speaker 1: who have no idea what I'm going through. Yeah.
- 29:40Speaker 2: Absolutely.
- 29:41Speaker 1: And Grandpa's wedding is tomorrow. They go back home. Grandpa's
- 29:45Speaker 1: arguing with Kathy Bates. And Grandpa says, listen, this new
- 29:49Speaker 1: school you're going to send him to, Jefferson, it's crap.
- 29:53Speaker 1: And Meg says he needs to go to a school
- 29:56Speaker 1: where they won't make him homecoming kid as a prank.
- 29:59Speaker 1: Don't you know what they're doing? They're trying to embarrass him.
- 30:01Speaker 1: And Grandpa says, you're not giving the boy credit for
- 30:03Speaker 1: being strong. And then I love what Meg says, because
- 30:06Speaker 1: she's a fucking mom, and moms know. She says, do
- 30:10Speaker 1: you know that when he sits down at lunch, the
- 30:11Speaker 1: other kids jump up and pretend they're being thrown off
- 30:13Speaker 1: the bench? And Grandpa says, no, he didn't tell me that.
- 30:18Speaker 1: And Meg says, he didn't tell me that either. She
- 30:21Speaker 1: just knows, because she finds out, even though Angus doesn't
- 30:23Speaker 1: tell her. Do you know what they did with his underwear?
- 30:26Speaker 1: They ran it up the flagpole to humiliate him. And
- 30:29Speaker 1: he gets up every day and goes there. Every single day.
- 30:33Speaker 1: So don't you tell me I don't know how strong
- 30:36Speaker 1: my son is. And Grandpa says, listen, that was you, kid.
- 30:41Speaker 1: That was you. And look how you turned out. And
- 30:43Speaker 1: then Kathy Bates starts to cry and they hug each other.
- 30:46Speaker 1: But I thought that was a fucking great moment with
- 30:49Speaker 1: Kathy Bates.
- 30:50Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, really good.
- 30:52Speaker 1: And Kathy Bates comes in to talk about the interview
- 30:55Speaker 1: and And they're, they're just kind of like Angus's moody
- 30:59Speaker 1: is not happy. You just made a noise. So did
- 31:01Speaker 1: you love how she approached this?
- 31:03Speaker 2: Oh, it's great. And also I love this song too.
- 31:06Speaker 2: This is so good.
- 31:06Speaker 1: What song was it?
- 31:08Speaker 2: This is funny face by the muffs. Um, so I, I,
- 31:11Speaker 2: this was a big one. I, when I had this soundtrack, um, yeah,
- 31:16Speaker 2: this is, so like, um, he's dancing with the blow
- 31:19Speaker 2: up doll. And like, I always like the way she
- 31:23Speaker 2: handled this is like, She's caught him. He's dancing with it,
- 31:27Speaker 2: so it's not that bad as you could imagine it
- 31:29Speaker 2: could be. And she just kind of laughs and is like,
- 31:34Speaker 2: is she a friend? Like, who is this person? And
- 31:37Speaker 2: then Angus laughs, knowing he's caught. I think it's a
- 31:40Speaker 2: really good moment between them.
- 31:42Speaker 1: And he's just in a bad mood. He's pissed off.
- 31:44Speaker 1: And a great, like, mother-son moment. Because they're both overweight,
- 31:48Speaker 1: and they both love food, and so do I, so
- 31:50Speaker 1: does Ryan. And she goes... She knows Angus is pissed off.
- 31:53Speaker 1: She goes... hagen does and then then he jumps up
- 31:57Speaker 1: and they like race each other down the stairs which
- 31:59Speaker 1: i thought was a great little like mother-son moment great
- 32:03Speaker 1: um i want to mention the actress who plays april
- 32:10Speaker 1: where is april so did you recognize.
- 32:15Speaker 2: Her so she is in the crow she's she is.
- 32:19Speaker 1: In the crow She's in this, and she also is
- 32:23Speaker 1: one of the prostitutes. I think she's the prostitute that
- 32:26Speaker 1: gets sliced up in Unforgiven.
- 32:29Speaker 2: Yes, because it was funny. Not funny. It was interesting
- 32:33Speaker 2: watching this movie now because I was like, oh, they
- 32:35Speaker 2: really don't show her that much. Yeah. And it's kind
- 32:41Speaker 2: of a little bit similar with the Angus we'll see later,
- 32:44Speaker 2: Angus and Melissa. Yeah.
- 32:47Speaker 1: So her four most famous roles, according to IMDb, are
- 32:50Speaker 1: True Romance, Unforgiven, Desperately Seeking Susan, and The Crow.
- 32:57Speaker 2: Her name is.
- 33:00Speaker 1: Dodecan Shlampson. No, her name is Anna Thompson.
- 33:06Speaker 2: She's very good in this.
- 33:08Speaker 1: She is because she has a small role, but she's
- 33:09Speaker 1: good in this. So it's the day of the wedding.
- 33:15Speaker 1: april looks hot so grandpa you know he's not a
- 33:21Speaker 1: perfect person but he's confident he knows who he is
- 33:25Speaker 1: he's marrying a much hotter 42 year old he's 72
- 33:30Speaker 1: but he seems like he really does love her and
- 33:31Speaker 1: he's happy and angus is narrating as long as i
- 33:35Speaker 1: can remember my grandpa has been the big kid down
- 33:37Speaker 1: the hall it's funny how you get so comfortable with
- 33:39Speaker 1: someone you think they're always going to be there and
- 33:41Speaker 1: then one day they're not because grandpa after the wedding
- 33:44Speaker 1: is going to obviously move out of their house and
- 33:46Speaker 1: move in with April, Angus says to Grandpa, you know,
- 33:51Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've been a jerk, you know, the past
- 33:54Speaker 1: couple days, especially recently, and I'm glad you're marrying April,
- 33:58Speaker 1: you seem happy, and you, you got balls, Grandpa, you
- 34:02Speaker 1: got balls more than me, and I respect that, basically,
- 34:07Speaker 1: at this point, Grandpa gives a speech that honestly forever
- 34:13Speaker 1: changed my life, I'm not kidding, like, I don't know
- 34:16Speaker 1: when I saw this movie. This came out when I
- 34:17Speaker 1: was nine. But I probably didn't see it until I
- 34:19Speaker 1: was like 12, 13. This speech changed my life. I
- 34:25Speaker 1: actually wrote... The first teacher in high school that really
- 34:28Speaker 1: believed in me and motivated me... I didn't give a
- 34:32Speaker 1: shit about high school. I didn't try. A couple of
- 34:35Speaker 1: times freshman year in high school, I got a D
- 34:38Speaker 1: in a class. And Mr. Trudeau, my English teacher, who
- 34:41Speaker 1: has since passed away... I wrote... we had to, we
- 34:44Speaker 1: had an assignment in one of our like English classes
- 34:47Speaker 1: and it was like, uh, write a speech or, or
- 34:51Speaker 1: something like that. And I, I took this speech and
- 34:54Speaker 1: I was like, this is a speech from a movie,
- 34:55Speaker 1: but I want to expand upon it and why I
- 34:58Speaker 1: think it's so great. And I wrote it and I
- 35:00Speaker 1: handed it to Mr.
- 35:00Speaker 2: Trudeau.
- 35:01Speaker 1: And ever since that moment, Mr. Trudeau was like, you,
- 35:03Speaker 1: you are special. Like you have something, you're a smart kid.
- 35:06Speaker 1: You're a great writer. I loved this. Like do more
- 35:09Speaker 1: of this. And if you ever want to write in
- 35:12Speaker 1: your free time, like, For no reason, you should do that.
- 35:16Speaker 1: And he was the first teacher in high school when
- 35:18Speaker 1: I was older that really believed in me and inspired me.
- 35:21Speaker 1: When I think like most teachers in high school, and
- 35:23Speaker 1: I don't blame them because high school kids suck. Most
- 35:26Speaker 1: of them are kind of like they've cashed it in
- 35:28Speaker 1: a long time ago. You know what I mean?
- 35:30Speaker 2: Jaded, yeah.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Very, very jaded. So Grandpa says to Angus, Angus, Superman
- 35:38Speaker 1: isn't brave. And Angus says, Grandpa, did you forget to
- 35:41Speaker 1: take your pill? Great response. Grandpa says, you don't understand.
- 35:47Speaker 1: Superman is smart, handsome, even decent, but he's not brave.
- 35:52Speaker 1: Now listen to me. Superman is indestructible, and you can't
- 35:56Speaker 1: be brave if you're indestructible. It's people like you and
- 35:59Speaker 1: your mother, people who are different, and can be crushed
- 36:02Speaker 1: and know it if they keep going on out there
- 36:05Speaker 1: every time. Angus says, I'm not brave, Grandpa. I'm so
- 36:08Speaker 1: afraid of going to this dance, and I know everyone
- 36:11Speaker 1: but you thinks I'm stupid. I wish I could stop
- 36:14Speaker 1: liking Melissa, but I can't. I know she won't be
- 36:16Speaker 1: struck blind and ask me to take her home for
- 36:18Speaker 1: the dance or anything, but it's the only chance I have.
- 36:21Speaker 1: I just want my moment. And then Angus notices that
- 36:26Speaker 1: Grandpa has fallen asleep. Now, before we go further, this
- 36:31Speaker 1: is absolutely true. This is why I always hated Superman
- 36:35Speaker 1: as a character. I like him now, and I've talked
- 36:37Speaker 1: about that in the podcast, how I appreciate him now,
- 36:39Speaker 1: because his superpower is being a good person. even though
- 36:43Speaker 1: he's a god. But because of this speech, I always
- 36:46Speaker 1: hated Superman and I always loved Batman because every day
- 36:50Speaker 1: Superman is risking pretty much nothing. And Batman is risking everything.
- 36:54Speaker 1: And you cannot be brave without being afraid. It's not possible.
- 37:00Speaker 2: Without the rope.
- 37:04Speaker 1: Without the rope?
- 37:06Speaker 2: From the Dark Knight Rises. To make the jump out
- 37:08Speaker 2: of the pit.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Without the rope. That's a very good point. Very good point.
- 37:15Speaker 1: So Angus, because Grandpa's falling asleep, what happens from here, Ryan?
- 37:22Speaker 2: Angus goes to play the horns. Reveille. Reveille, I'm sorry.
- 37:27Speaker 2: The track. It goes on for a bit. They do
- 37:32Speaker 2: a really good job with this. They do. And it
- 37:36Speaker 2: just keeps playing. They cut to Kathy Bates... Sorry, Angus'
- 37:41Speaker 2: mom talking to somebody at the reception. She hears the
- 37:45Speaker 2: horns are playing for a long time. So she looks
- 37:47Speaker 2: over and she just sees Angus standing crying in the stairway.
- 37:52Speaker 2: And her face is so great in this moment. Because
- 37:55Speaker 2: it's not like instant sadness. She's like, I know what
- 37:59Speaker 2: happened here. Yeah.
- 38:02Speaker 1: Grandpa didn't wake up. He didn't wake up from Reveille
- 38:05Speaker 1: this time. So he had essentially... Just like Angus's dad
- 38:10Speaker 1: died of a heart attack.
- 38:12Speaker 2: And....
- 38:15Speaker 1: The montage after with the song... I don't know who
- 38:19Speaker 1: the band is, but it's... Will the river carry me on?
- 38:23Speaker 1: This montage is amazing.
- 38:25Speaker 2: This is Washing of the Water by Peter Gabriel. A
- 38:27Speaker 2: great one. Oh, okay.
- 38:29Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, this montage is amazing.
- 38:32Speaker 2: Also not on the soundtrack.
- 38:33Speaker 1: Not on the soundtrack, correct. But the way that he...
- 38:37Speaker 1: I think it's so beautiful. So describe your boy, um, Kirshner,
- 38:41Speaker 1: who's the elderly chess player that meets with him every day.
- 38:44Speaker 1: How does Angus break the news to him that Grimp
- 38:48Speaker 1: is dead?
- 38:49Speaker 2: So he comes over to the chessboard and he lays
- 38:53Speaker 2: down the king chess piece. And then Angus just sits
- 38:57Speaker 2: down quietly, looks over and the guy puts his arm
- 39:01Speaker 2: on Angus's shoulder, his hand on Angus's shoulder. Um, Just
- 39:06Speaker 2: great quiet face acting. Really great.
- 39:09Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. This is– it's not saying a word, just
- 39:14Speaker 1: putting the king chest piece down and the old man
- 39:17Speaker 1: starts to cry. So he sees Troy. Troy comes to
- 39:23Speaker 1: talk to him because he knows like my best friend's
- 39:26Speaker 1: grandfather died. And it's sort of like Rose, Paul's grandfather.
- 39:30Speaker 1: who lived in the house with him. It's a totally
- 39:33Speaker 1: different relationship. Like I love my grandparents. I'm sure you
- 39:35Speaker 1: love your grandparents and were sad when they died, but
- 39:37Speaker 1: if they lived in your house for years, it's a
- 39:40Speaker 1: completely different relationship.
- 39:41Speaker 2: It's like a sibling. Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. Um, this
- 39:47Speaker 2: scene i like i like this a lot with him
- 39:49Speaker 2: and troy because do you know what i thought again
- 39:51Speaker 2: i didn't listen to such a long time i thought
- 39:54Speaker 2: i'm like oh because of what angus is going through
- 39:58Speaker 2: troy because we see a shot before the wedding of
- 40:03Speaker 2: troy handing something to rick on the bleachers um And
- 40:09Speaker 2: I thought here, oh, Troy is going to warn Angus
- 40:13Speaker 2: about what's going to happen. And it doesn't happen, which
- 40:15Speaker 2: I think every other movie would have done.
- 40:18Speaker 1: I understand both sides here. So Troy approaches Angus and says,
- 40:23Speaker 1: Angus is like, what happened to your arm? Because Rick
- 40:25Speaker 1: broke his arm. And Troy says, oh, I fell off
- 40:26Speaker 1: my bike. And the reason that Troy does what he does,
- 40:29Speaker 1: which will later be explained, is he knows he has
- 40:31Speaker 1: no protection anymore. Angus can't protect him. And he's just
- 40:34Speaker 1: in a really bad spot. Uh, so Troy's tries to
- 40:38Speaker 1: cheer Angus up and he says, Hey, I got a
- 40:40Speaker 1: Cindy Crawford, uh, new button thigh workout video that on
- 40:43Speaker 1: VHS that we could watch in my, in my room
- 40:45Speaker 1: or something like that. And Angus is like, shut up, Troy.
- 40:49Speaker 1: Cause he's not in the mood for Troy to just
- 40:51Speaker 1: be like a perverted teenager and crack jokes. But at
- 40:54Speaker 1: the same, at the same, and I get that. Like
- 40:56Speaker 1: it's not appropriate when my, one of my best friends,
- 40:58Speaker 1: my grandfather just died to come and talk to me
- 41:01Speaker 1: about Cindy Crawford's ass. Um, shout out Kaya Gerber. But
- 41:05Speaker 1: Troy's like, well, this is all I know how to do.
- 41:07Speaker 1: I'm trying to cheer you up. You're my friend. I
- 41:09Speaker 1: know this will make you happy. And so I'm just
- 41:11Speaker 1: trying to cheer you up. I understand both sides in
- 41:13Speaker 1: this scenario.
- 41:14Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 41:16Speaker 1: And Angus says to Troy, you don't know how it feels,
- 41:20Speaker 1: which I like even watching it now. I was like,
- 41:23Speaker 1: I mean, Troy has it worse than you. At least you're,
- 41:25Speaker 1: you're smart and at science and you're big and strong.
- 41:29Speaker 2: Yes. You have some power over the situation in some way.
- 41:32Speaker 1: Yeah. And Troy goes, I don't know how it feels.
- 41:35Speaker 1: You think you're the only person on Earth wishing they
- 41:38Speaker 1: were someone else? If you don't want to go to
- 41:40Speaker 1: the dance, then why aren't you going? And then Angus says,
- 41:42Speaker 1: I have to stop wanting things so much, which is
- 41:45Speaker 1: so sad. Because that's like, it goes back to the
- 41:47Speaker 1: breakfast club. When you become an adult and you get older,
- 41:49Speaker 1: your soul dies. Because you learn you have to stop
- 41:52Speaker 1: wanting things so much. Because they don't work out. And
- 41:55Speaker 1: it's just a very sad line. Angus goes back home,
- 42:02Speaker 1: and April... Grandpa's widow stops by and says, basically, Angus,
- 42:07Speaker 1: I found this box that Grandpa left for you. And
- 42:10Speaker 1: it's a cardboard box. And do you know what's written
- 42:12Speaker 1: on the cardboard box?
- 42:15Speaker 2: Not for Superman.
- 42:16Speaker 1: Yeah, do not open this if you are Superman.
- 42:19Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
- 42:20Speaker 1: What is inside, Ryan?
- 42:22Speaker 2: The plum suit.
- 42:24Speaker 1: The plum tuxedo.
- 42:27Speaker 2: I also really like the little moment here with April
- 42:30Speaker 2: where her watch goes off and she says... Time for
- 42:33Speaker 2: a spill. I did remember. And I wonder if there
- 42:37Speaker 2: was parts in the movie that were maybe not shot
- 42:40Speaker 2: or deleted where like she thought people thought she couldn't
- 42:45Speaker 2: take care of him. Yes.
- 42:47Speaker 1: Everybody, part of the thing with grandpa was like, you
- 42:50Speaker 1: think I'm oblivious to how everybody thinks we're idiots. April's
- 42:54Speaker 1: marrying a 72 year old. So people think she's dumb
- 42:58Speaker 1: and I'm marrying a 42 year old and people think
- 42:59Speaker 1: I'm dumb. You think I don't know this? I just
- 43:02Speaker 1: don't care. I want to marry April. She's hot. I
- 43:04Speaker 1: really love her. She makes me happy. I don't give
- 43:07Speaker 1: a fuck what people think. That's what he was trying
- 43:08Speaker 1: to tell Angus this whole movie.
- 43:10Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 43:13Speaker 1: Angus decides, I'm going to go to the dance. He
- 43:16Speaker 1: puts on the plum suit, and he's about to leave,
- 43:18Speaker 1: and then what happens?
- 43:21Speaker 2: I love this line, though. I look like Moby Grape.
- 43:24Speaker 2: It's a great line. The interviewer from... jefferson shows up
- 43:30Speaker 2: mr kessler.
- 43:33Speaker 1: Um mr kessler is a famous character actor.
- 43:38Speaker 2: Very much so uh kessler is a bit of a
- 43:42Speaker 2: different movie in my opinion i think kessler's a little
- 43:45Speaker 2: too broad.
- 43:45Speaker 1: Yeah a little too cartoony you mean yeah.
- 43:48Speaker 2: A little too cartoony i get it but he's a
- 43:50Speaker 2: little too cartoony.
- 43:51Speaker 1: Yeah yeah so okay here we go hold on i'm
- 43:54Speaker 1: gonna pause for a And he says, I'm horribly late
- 44:01Speaker 1: because the traffic was bad. I'm so sorry, but you're
- 44:04Speaker 1: not going anywhere, right? And then Angus says, no. And
- 44:06Speaker 1: he's like, I guess I'm not going to go to
- 44:07Speaker 1: the dance. And Kessler says, this is going to take
- 44:10Speaker 1: several hours, and you're going to have to talk about
- 44:12Speaker 1: your experiment or show me your experiment. So Angus is like, fuck,
- 44:15Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to go to the dance.
- 44:17Speaker 2: And what other fatal mistake did Kessler make? Apparently there's
- 44:21Speaker 2: a lot of traffic for some football game, and it's
- 44:23Speaker 2: like useless sport. It makes a comment, but it's something
- 44:25Speaker 2: that's really part of who Angus is as a person. Correct.
- 44:29Speaker 1: So this is the interview between Mr. Kessler and Angus.
- 44:32Speaker 1: I will be playing Mr. Kessler, and Angus in the
- 44:35Speaker 1: scene will be played by Mr. Ryan McDonald. Now, if
- 44:39Speaker 1: I could see your science experiment, Mr.
- 44:41Speaker 2: Bethune.
- 44:42Speaker 1: You have a science experiment, Mr. Bethune.
- 44:46Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, I do.
- 44:48Speaker 1: May I see it?
- 44:49Speaker 2: You're looking at it.
- 44:51Speaker 1: Is this a joke, Mr.
- 44:52Speaker 2: Bethune? No. I'm hoping to prove that within every normal system,
- 44:56Speaker 2: there exists an aberration. Something different.
- 45:00Speaker 1: The chaos theory.
- 45:01Speaker 2: The buffoon theory.
- 45:03Speaker 1: Your hypothesis?
- 45:05Speaker 2: When a small, abnormal element is forced into a larger,
- 45:08Speaker 2: normal system, the element will either be rejected or destroyed. Obviously.
- 45:13Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be that way if... If?
- 45:17Speaker 2: If the element is brave. Brave? Brave? If the element
- 45:21Speaker 2: can hold out long enough and face the torment of
- 45:24Speaker 2: the system until the system's energy is depleted. If the
- 45:27Speaker 2: element can look the system in the eye and say,
- 45:29Speaker 2: I'm still here, asshole. And the system will have to change, adapt, mutate.
- 45:35Speaker 2: And if this happens, it will have proved my fucking point.
- 45:38Speaker 1: Which is what?
- 45:41Speaker 2: There is no normal.
- 45:44Speaker 1: Where are you going?
- 45:47Speaker 2: To mutate.
- 45:49Speaker 1: Mic drop. Angus leaves, goes to the dance, doesn't do
- 45:53Speaker 1: the rest of the interview with Jefferson. And when he
- 45:56Speaker 1: walks in, Troy says, they're outside the door. Troy says,
- 46:00Speaker 1: don't go in here. Rick is going to do something.
- 46:02Speaker 1: And Angus is like, yes, obviously I know Rick's going
- 46:04Speaker 1: to do something. But you know what? Tell your mom,
- 46:07Speaker 1: get a life. And he shoves Troy. And then Troy says,
- 46:10Speaker 1: do you want to walk in together? And Angus goes, yeah.
- 46:13Speaker 1: The way he says that is so great.
- 46:14Speaker 2: Yeah. Love it. Love it. Um.
- 46:20Speaker 1: Now they're going to do a segment for the homecoming
- 46:23Speaker 1: king and queen. Angus has to go backstage with Melissa,
- 46:27Speaker 1: and he has a corsage for her. And I remember this, overanalyzing,
- 46:31Speaker 1: going to dances, panicking. Angus is trying to open the
- 46:34Speaker 1: box and pin it on Melissa, and he's sweating. He's red.
- 46:39Speaker 1: He's fumbling with the box. He puts his crown in
- 46:42Speaker 1: his mouth at one point. He looks like an idiot.
- 46:44Speaker 1: And he's just panicking in this moment.
- 46:47Speaker 2: I like when she laughs when the crown is in
- 46:50Speaker 2: his mouth. I did like this because here is one
- 46:52Speaker 2: thing that blew my mind rewatching this. I'm like, oh,
- 46:55Speaker 2: we literally never hear her talk this entire movie. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
- 47:01Speaker 1: And why is Melissa dating Rick?
- 47:05Speaker 2: Yeah. Red flag. But I think to what she says later,
- 47:10Speaker 2: it might be part of that. Yeah.
- 47:13Speaker 1: And 14-year-old girls, 16-year-old girls, 18-year-old girls, they're very stupid.
- 47:17Speaker 1: As are boys, but they're very stupid and they date
- 47:19Speaker 1: the wrong people. I think I've said this on the
- 47:20Speaker 1: pod before, but the most complimentary and insulting comment a
- 47:24Speaker 1: woman ever told me, there was a girl when I
- 47:26Speaker 1: was like 18 that was really into me. Or maybe
- 47:29Speaker 1: I was older than that, but I was young. Sorry,
- 47:33Speaker 1: I said it was into me. No, I was into
- 47:35Speaker 1: her and she was not into me. And she was like, Tim,
- 47:40Speaker 1: you're the type of guy that every girl is going
- 47:43Speaker 1: to want to date when they're 30. And then I
- 47:46Speaker 1: just looked at her sideways and I was like, that's
- 47:48Speaker 1: 12 years from now. Like, I don't want to wait
- 47:52Speaker 1: 12 years for that. And she was like, well, you're
- 47:54Speaker 1: going to have to. And then, and she was completely right.
- 47:59Speaker 1: Completely right. Younger women don't want to date a guy
- 48:02Speaker 1: like me because they're dumb. Not that I'm perfect, but
- 48:05Speaker 1: like they're into different kinds of guys. And then when
- 48:08Speaker 1: I was 30, I got married to a woman that
- 48:10Speaker 1: was way out of my league and smarter than me
- 48:13Speaker 1: and hotter than me. And, um, yeah, so she was right,
- 48:16Speaker 1: but it's tough. It's tough to swallow that pill. Uh,
- 48:20Speaker 1: Melissa says to Angus, I sweat when I'm nervous. Do
- 48:23Speaker 1: you get angry? Uh, do you Angus? And Angus is like, uh, well,
- 48:26Speaker 1: you know, I will. And she says, well, I guess
- 48:30Speaker 1: guys are kind of supposed to be sweaty. And he says, well, yeah,
- 48:32Speaker 1: you know.
- 48:34Speaker 2: I just love cause like she couldn't have said a
- 48:37Speaker 2: more relatable thing to him. And he's just so freaked
- 48:39Speaker 2: out by it. It's like, I think it's just so crazy.
- 48:42Speaker 1: And the interactions with Melissa here at the end of
- 48:43Speaker 1: the movie are so great because Angus thinks, Oh, Rick
- 48:47Speaker 1: and Melissa have it easy. Cause their life is great.
- 48:50Speaker 1: And it's like, no, nobody's life in high school is great.
- 48:53Speaker 1: Nobody in high school has it easy. Even Rick, like Rick,
- 48:56Speaker 1: fuck Rick. He's an asshole. I'm not saying let's give
- 48:58Speaker 1: him a pass, but do you think he's a happy person?
- 49:02Speaker 1: Do you think that like his parents treat him well?
- 49:04Speaker 1: Rick is an incredibly insecure human being.
- 49:06Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
- 49:10Speaker 1: There's no way he's happy. When he's laying down at
- 49:14Speaker 1: night alone thinking thoughts in the darkness, there's no way
- 49:17Speaker 1: he's a happy person.
- 49:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 49:19Speaker 1: Just like I said to Bridget, I go, the kid,
- 49:22Speaker 1: the bully that slapped the books out of Holly's hands
- 49:25Speaker 1: and called her a fat bitch, he probably had it
- 49:28Speaker 1: worse than all of us. What was his life like?
- 49:31Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 49:33Speaker 1: Anyways.
- 49:33Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 49:34Speaker 1: She says, everybody's going to be staring at us when
- 49:37Speaker 1: we go out there. I hate that. And Angus says,
- 49:38Speaker 1: aren't you used to people staring at you?
- 49:41Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 49:42Speaker 1: And then when they walk out, they're both quietly saying
- 49:44Speaker 1: to themselves simultaneously, don't trip, don't trip, don't trip.
- 49:48Speaker 2: Again, it's really well done how like spot on they
- 49:51Speaker 2: feel this. I mean, again, the point of the movie,
- 49:53Speaker 2: they are the same as much as they are different. Yeah.
- 49:56Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden on the projector screen
- 50:00Speaker 1: at the dance, it's a video of Angus dancing with
- 50:04Speaker 1: a blow-up doll and talking about how he has a
- 50:05Speaker 1: crush on Melissa. So you know that Troy gave it
- 50:08Speaker 1: to Rick and then Rick played it. It cuts to– oh, sorry.
- 50:13Speaker 1: Go ahead, Ryan.
- 50:15Speaker 2: My note was this video is just as embarrassing for
- 50:17Speaker 2: Troy because of the things he's saying on the video.
- 50:20Speaker 1: Yeah, and you hear Troy go, you have a boner
- 50:23Speaker 1: in your stomach? And then everybody laughs. And everybody– it
- 50:26Speaker 1: cuts to the crowd and everybody is laughing and like
- 50:29Speaker 1: pointing at Angus like what an idiot. And then in
- 50:31Speaker 1: the midst of that, you see Troy sobbing. And that's, again,
- 50:36Speaker 1: great acting performance by Troy. That moment really hurt my heart.
- 50:42Speaker 2: And it's awful, too, because you think of the fire
- 50:45Speaker 2: alarm in the beginning of the movie where he took
- 50:47Speaker 2: this huge L to help Angus and to do this
- 50:51Speaker 2: because he was backed into a corner.
- 50:55Speaker 1: So Melissa... is so horrified by this she runs out
- 50:58Speaker 1: of the dance and angus also runs out of the
- 51:00Speaker 1: dance rick starts to follow them and i love the
- 51:02Speaker 1: principal like for once doing a good thing the principal
- 51:06Speaker 1: stops rick and says rick there's no in and out
- 51:08Speaker 1: privileges at dances you know that because they're worried about
- 51:10Speaker 1: kids like drinking or smoking or whatever yeah and rick
- 51:14Speaker 1: says but what about them melissa and angus they're the
- 51:16Speaker 1: king and queen so i'm making an exception for them
- 51:22Speaker 1: so yeah talk about talk about the what you just
- 51:24Speaker 1: said ryan.
- 51:26Speaker 2: Again, we did such a great thing of not over-dramatizing things,
- 51:30Speaker 2: but making them feel important and impactful. So when Angus
- 51:34Speaker 2: is running after Melissa because she's been humiliated, and so
- 51:39Speaker 2: is he, he sees Troy on the way out, and
- 51:42Speaker 2: he just makes this face at Troy of just sheer
- 51:45Speaker 2: anger and frustration, but like, I'll deal with you later
- 51:48Speaker 2: of how this is, but I'm just so disappointed you
- 51:51Speaker 2: as a human being.
- 51:52Speaker 1: It's a great little moment. You fundamentally betrayed me in
- 51:55Speaker 1: the greatest way possible.
- 51:57Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And it's, oh, it's so good.
- 52:02Speaker 1: So he runs after Melissa. They're outside. Melissa says, what
- 52:04Speaker 1: a jerk. And then Angus says, I'm so sorry. Melissa says, no,
- 52:08Speaker 1: not you, Angus, him. Do you ever get tired of
- 52:10Speaker 1: who you are? Angus says, do you know who you're
- 52:13Speaker 1: talking to? Melissa, do you want to know something about me? Angus,
- 52:19Speaker 1: I'd like to know anything about you. And Melissa is crying.
- 52:23Speaker 1: She says, I'm bulimic. Do you know what that is?
- 52:26Speaker 1: And Angus says, yeah, that's something like you eat too
- 52:28Speaker 1: much and you chuck it up so you don't look
- 52:29Speaker 1: like me. And Melissa's response is close enough. Angus says,
- 52:35Speaker 1: I tried to be bulimic once and I was so
- 52:36Speaker 1: hungry I almost ate my arm.
- 52:39Speaker 2: It's an incredible line. Incredible line.
- 52:41Speaker 1: I feel like that's a line you would say.
- 52:45Speaker 2: She laughs at this. Is it really funny? Yeah. Yeah.
- 52:49Speaker 1: And Melissa says, I've never told anyone but you. I
- 52:52Speaker 1: think we have to go back inside now. And Angus says,
- 52:54Speaker 1: you don't understand. I cannot dance. And Melissa says, we
- 52:57Speaker 1: will survive. And then holds his hand. The principal announces
- 53:03Speaker 1: the king and queen will now dance when he sees
- 53:06Speaker 1: Melissa and Angus come back in. And Melissa says to Angus,
- 53:09Speaker 1: I picked a really slow song so we won't have
- 53:11Speaker 1: to move much.
- 53:13Speaker 2: What a nice person.
- 53:14Speaker 1: And then while they're dancing, she's telling Angus what to do.
- 53:18Speaker 1: how to dance to the slow, like, just whispering instructions
- 53:21Speaker 1: to him, which is so nice. She's obviously very kind.
- 53:26Speaker 1: And then a raptor jumps out and goes, Lex, I'm back!
- 53:32Speaker 1: And then disembowels her on the dance floor.
- 53:35Speaker 2: The whole movie was a giant setup for The Lost World.
- 53:39Speaker 1: And then you hear, na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na.
- 53:44Speaker 2: Grant comes in, we were too late! oh my god
- 53:51Speaker 2: um another soundtrack note here uh this is fade into
- 53:56Speaker 2: you by mazzy star a very big song um great
- 54:00Speaker 2: this song is forever in blaze whenever the song comes
- 54:03Speaker 2: on i think of this movie all the time of
- 54:05Speaker 2: course of.
- 54:06Speaker 1: Course and and then while they're slow dancing melissa rests
- 54:11Speaker 1: her cheek on angus's shoulder and he's basically like i
- 54:16Speaker 1: cannot believe this is actually happening And then this moment
- 54:19Speaker 1: is so wonderful, I almost want to cry. It cuts
- 54:23Speaker 1: to Troy in the crowd, and what does Troy say?
- 54:26Speaker 2: Go for it, Angus.
- 54:27Speaker 1: He just whispers to himself, go for it, Angus.
- 54:30Speaker 2: I also like that it's not... It's very earned, this moment.
- 54:39Speaker 2: It's done very... I don't want to say subtly, because
- 54:41Speaker 2: it's very blatant, but you buy it. You as a
- 54:45Speaker 2: viewer buy this connection they have now, and when they show,
- 54:49Speaker 2: especially actually to his credit, even though he's the villain
- 54:51Speaker 2: of the movie, when Vanderbeek looks at them, he sees
- 54:55Speaker 2: that there is a connection now and he's like, fuck,
- 54:58Speaker 2: like it, he did more damage than is good for
- 55:01Speaker 2: himself because he's insane. But, um, yeah, this is a great, uh,
- 55:07Speaker 2: dancing moment in a movie, I think. Yes.
- 55:11Speaker 1: And then when the song is over, everyone recognizes that
- 55:13Speaker 1: this actually was kind of a sweet moment and everybody
- 55:16Speaker 1: in the cloud craps. Craps.
- 55:18Speaker 2: Wow. Claps. Claps. Well, after the Velociraptor, I think they
- 55:22Speaker 2: probably would, right? They'd probably be pretty.
- 55:24Speaker 1: They all shit.
- 55:25Speaker 2: Holy shit!
- 55:28Speaker 1: So, Vanderbeek goes over to Melissa and goes, Melissa, what
- 55:32Speaker 1: are you doing?
- 55:33Speaker 2: Now he's pissed. Now he's back. Now he's completely... The
- 55:36Speaker 2: insecurity is entirely exposed.
- 55:38Speaker 1: Yeah, so he grabs her and says, what are you doing?
- 55:40Speaker 1: And then Angus steps in and grabs Vanderbeek and says,
- 55:43Speaker 1: don't touch her. And... he says, it's time I broke
- 55:49Speaker 1: your nose, Angus. And he says, take your best shot, asshole.
- 55:53Speaker 1: And I love that Van Der Beek actually knocks him
- 55:55Speaker 1: on his ass. Like, Van Der Beek, I think this
- 55:58Speaker 1: is such a great moment because it's doing the opposite
- 56:01Speaker 1: of what you as the viewer want to happen. You
- 56:03Speaker 1: want Angus to kick his ass. But Van Der Beek
- 56:06Speaker 1: breaks Angus' nose and punches him square in the face
- 56:09Speaker 1: and knocks him down. And in this moment, it's like,
- 56:13Speaker 1: it's the antithesis of what you want and it realizes...
- 56:16Speaker 1: You shouldn't want this.
- 56:17Speaker 2: Exactly right.
- 56:19Speaker 1: Angus punching Rick in the face is not the solution
- 56:21Speaker 1: to this. And this moment is, you've enjoyed it every
- 56:24Speaker 1: time that Angus has punched Rick in the face so
- 56:27Speaker 1: far in the movie. You've loved it. And now it's
- 56:29Speaker 1: showing you, oh, you actually shouldn't have loved it. This
- 56:32Speaker 1: is not a solution to anything. This sucks.
- 56:34Speaker 2: And you're beyond this now. There's no need for this. Yeah.
- 56:40Speaker 1: So, okay. Now this exchange is Rick Sanford, James Van
- 56:44Speaker 1: Der Beek. And Angus, I will be playing Rick Sanford,
- 56:47Speaker 1: and Angus will be played by Mr. Ryan McDonald. So Rick, me,
- 56:52Speaker 1: I just punched Ryan in the face, knocked him on
- 56:55Speaker 1: his ass, and I say, welcome to high school, Angus.
- 56:59Speaker 1: Good thing you're leaving.
- 57:00Speaker 2: I'm still here, asshole, and I'll always be here. You
- 57:06Speaker 2: push me down, and I'll get back up again and
- 57:09Speaker 2: again and again and again and again. I could beat
- 57:13Speaker 2: you right here, right now. But I want to be
- 57:16Speaker 2: better than you, Rick. I don't want to be better
- 57:17Speaker 2: than anybody. I want to be who I am. A
- 57:20Speaker 2: fat kid who's good at science and fair at football.
- 57:23Speaker 2: That's who I am. I can live with it. Why
- 57:25Speaker 2: can't you?
- 57:26Speaker 1: Because it's not normal. You're not normal.
- 57:29Speaker 2: And who is? You?
- 57:31Speaker 1: You bet your ass.
- 57:33Speaker 2: And so what? To be normal, we all have to
- 57:34Speaker 2: be like you. There are 400 people in this room
- 57:37Speaker 2: that are nothing like you. Some of them are fat.
- 57:39Speaker 2: Some of them are skinny. Some of them are tall.
- 57:41Speaker 2: Some of them are short. Some of them have braces.
- 57:44Speaker 2: Some of them have birthmarks or scars or frizzy hairs
- 57:46Speaker 2: or ears that stick out. But most of them probably walk. Sorry. Sorry. No, no.
- 57:51Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt you. But when he says or
- 57:53Speaker 1: ears that stick out, Troy's head pops up and Troy
- 57:56Speaker 1: just has enormous ears. It's an amazing moment. But continue.
- 58:00Speaker 2: But most of them probably walk through these halls every day,
- 58:03Speaker 2: never telling anybody the truth about what they really want
- 58:06Speaker 2: or need or believe because of people like you. Normal
- 58:09Speaker 2: people like you have them terrified of being who they are.
- 58:12Speaker 2: I mean, if you're normal, what does that make them?
- 58:15Speaker 2: So which is it, Rick? Are you normal or are
- 58:17Speaker 2: you just one of us?
- 58:19Speaker 1: Whatever I am, it's something you're never going to be.
- 58:24Speaker 2: Thank God.
- 58:26Speaker 1: Mic drop. He walks off. Fantastic. And Angus walks up
- 58:31Speaker 1: to Melissa and Melissa says, hey, Angus, I just want
- 58:34Speaker 1: to dance one more time. And he goes, OK, I'll
- 58:36Speaker 1: go wait over here and like starts to walk away.
- 58:38Speaker 1: That's absolutely what he would assume in that moment. That's
- 58:44Speaker 1: what I would assume. And she goes, no, Angus, with you.
- 58:48Speaker 1: And he says, but I can't dance. And she says,
- 58:50Speaker 1: screw him.
- 58:52Speaker 2: I love that. Just that call back to the grandfather's line.
- 58:54Speaker 2: Screw him, Angus. Just dance.
- 58:57Speaker 1: So what was the line that you and Mark always reference?
- 58:59Speaker 1: Is it ears that stick out?
- 59:01Speaker 2: Ears that stick out because whenever we'll hear someone, if
- 59:04Speaker 2: we're at a family event or a wedding or whatever,
- 59:07Speaker 2: someone's making a speech, and we'll always just be like,
- 59:10Speaker 2: and ears that stick out just because like you're calling
- 59:12Speaker 2: on an individual person on without saying their name um
- 59:16Speaker 2: but yeah i always think of that line.
- 59:18Speaker 1: And then they they start playing the weezer song that's
- 59:21Speaker 1: so good.
- 59:22Speaker 2: You fucking great song.
- 59:25Speaker 1: To me softly i didn't know they wrote that for
- 59:28Speaker 1: the movie but they did.
- 59:30Speaker 2: Is it on Pinkerton, or am I wrong?
- 59:33Speaker 1: It could be. I don't know. But I know that
- 59:35Speaker 1: they were hired to write it for Angus.
- 59:38Speaker 2: But the guitar riff in this song, fucking so good. Oh,
- 59:42Speaker 2: my God.
- 59:43Speaker 1: So Angus walks over to Troy, and you don't know
- 59:46Speaker 1: if he's going to kill Troy based on what happened,
- 59:49Speaker 1: but Angus kind of knows, like, Troy is in a
- 59:52Speaker 1: bad spot. He's four feet tall. No one can protect him.
- 59:56Speaker 1: James Van Der Beek broke his arm. So he just says...
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: you want to go spaz out on the dance floor?
- 1:00:03Speaker 1: And then Troy says, watch all the dildos.
- 1:00:06Speaker 2: And then Angus says, Ryan, Troy, we are the dildos.
- 1:00:12Speaker 1: And then Angus turns, but Troy thinks he's going for
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: a high five. So with his cast hand, he does
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: the aggressive buds high five that they did earlier in
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: the movie, but Angus isn't there. So he completely whiffs.
- 1:00:26Speaker 1: And what happens, Ryan?
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: He whacks the recycling girl from the school assembly.
- 1:00:36Speaker 1: No.
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: No?
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: Doesn't he hit Rick Sanford?
- 1:00:41Speaker 2: Oh, yes. Okay, I'm sorry. I thought that's how he
- 1:00:43Speaker 2: got her attention. Okay.
- 1:00:44Speaker 1: No, he whacks Rick Sanford in the nose and somebody says,
- 1:00:47Speaker 1: you broke his... Oh, and then the recycling girl says,
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: you broke his nose.
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Got you. Okay.
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: So he breaks James Van Der Beek's nose with his
- 1:00:55Speaker 1: cast and then the recycling girl, the hot recycling girl
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: walks by from earlier in the movie that gave Troy
- 1:01:00Speaker 1: a boner, and says, you broke his nose, what's your name?
- 1:01:03Speaker 1: And he says, Wedberg. Troy Wedberg. And Melissa, after the
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: dance is over, the Weezer song, says, hey Angus, will
- 1:01:14Speaker 1: you walk me home? So literally this is like the
- 1:01:18Speaker 1: greatest moment that's ever happened in Angus' life. So it
- 1:01:21Speaker 1: cuts to them walking home, and it's cold out, and
- 1:01:23Speaker 1: she's wearing a dress, so she wears Angus' plum suit jacket,
- 1:01:28Speaker 1: And she is swimming in it.
- 1:01:30Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. That was so good. Oh,
- 1:01:33Speaker 2: my God. That was so funny.
- 1:01:36Speaker 1: It is amazing. She is huge. So they just they
- 1:01:40Speaker 1: just walk home very innocently. He walks her to the
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: door and they don't like make out or anything, which
- 1:01:47Speaker 1: I think is super realistic. She just leans over and
- 1:01:50Speaker 1: kisses him on the cheek and then waves goodbye to
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: him and goes inside her house. And when he turns
- 1:01:57Speaker 1: to leave, he puts on his suit jacket and he
- 1:01:59Speaker 1: puts on his crown, which I fucking love.
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:02:04Speaker 1: And you hear Angus narrate, the dance ended, school closed
- 1:02:07Speaker 1: for the holiday. Rick got suspended for his little prank.
- 1:02:11Speaker 1: I got into Jefferson, but I didn't go. I said,
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: screw him. And I finally knew what it felt like
- 1:02:16Speaker 1: to be on top of the world. I finally had
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: my moment. And when it happened, I heard my grandpa's
- 1:02:20Speaker 1: voice say, now go have another. Maybe I will.
- 1:02:24Speaker 2: Who knows?
- 1:02:25Speaker 1: Maybe Melissa actually likes me. I don't know. All I
- 1:02:29Speaker 1: know is I'm still here. And then J.R. by Green
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: Day plays into the credits. The end of Angus.
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: I like how there's no epilogue. I really love that.
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: It just ends there.
- 1:02:45Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was like me and Melissa got married.
- 1:02:47Speaker 1: It's like, no. First of all, they probably would never
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: even date in high school. But, like, you think that
- 1:02:52Speaker 1: they're going to last all through high school and all
- 1:02:54Speaker 1: through college?
- 1:02:54Speaker 2: No.
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: I mean, almost certainly not. So, yeah. It would be
- 1:02:59Speaker 1: really dumb if they had, like, some fantastical epilogue that
- 1:03:02Speaker 1: was perfect. And it's just like, I don't know if
- 1:03:04Speaker 1: Melissa likes me. Maybe she does. Maybe she doesn't. But
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: this was an awesome moment, and I'm happy now. And, yeah.
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: It was just chef's kiss. It was perfect. Loved it.
- 1:03:14Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:03:16Speaker 1: Absolutely loved it.
- 1:03:18Speaker 2: Um....
- 1:03:20Speaker 1: So I think this is probably, in my opinion, obviously biased,
- 1:03:24Speaker 1: most underrated high school movie of all time, because nobody
- 1:03:27Speaker 1: really even knows what this movie is.
- 1:03:29Speaker 2: It really has not gotten much of like a reclamation either,
- 1:03:33Speaker 2: to be honest with you. I don't think at least.
- 1:03:36Speaker 1: So you bought me the DVD, which was very kind,
- 1:03:39Speaker 1: but it also, it is on YouTube, uh, for rental.
- 1:03:42Speaker 1: I don't think, I don't think it's streaming free anywhere.
- 1:03:45Speaker 1: And for a long time, like you couldn't find it.
- 1:03:48Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not, um, it's a new, it's a
- 1:03:51Speaker 2: new line. Um, and I think Warner brothers just started,
- 1:03:58Speaker 2: I think maybe like four or five years ago, putting
- 1:03:59Speaker 2: it like doing like a DVD that they would burn
- 1:04:01Speaker 2: for you.
- 1:04:02Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:04:02Speaker 2: That you could get it that way. But it, I
- 1:04:05Speaker 2: don't think it ever was like publicly like readily available releases,
- 1:04:08Speaker 2: a DVD in like the two thousands. Um, and it, again,
- 1:04:13Speaker 2: it's so weird. I used to see it on TV
- 1:04:15Speaker 2: all the time. I think when it was on video
- 1:04:17Speaker 2: and like would be on a paid channel, um, But
- 1:04:19Speaker 2: it was not circulating, I mean, to me at least,
- 1:04:22Speaker 2: ever on any of the major networks in the rest
- 1:04:25Speaker 2: of the 90s and 2000s. Yeah. But I'm really glad
- 1:04:31Speaker 2: that this just aged so well. I was just so,
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: so blown away by this.
- 1:04:36Speaker 1: It really did. It was not... There was not... So
- 1:04:41Speaker 1: I know they removed the gay father storyline, but there
- 1:04:43Speaker 1: was no casual homophobia or like really problematic, toxic, like
- 1:04:50Speaker 1: depictions of women. I mean, they talk about Melissa's body,
- 1:04:52Speaker 1: but it's really, it's like Angus is the one that
- 1:04:56Speaker 1: says like, Hey, let's not do that. That's kind of gross. Um,
- 1:04:59Speaker 1: this is, yeah, this movie, it really captures what high
- 1:05:06Speaker 1: school is actually like in middle school. Cause it's sort
- 1:05:10Speaker 1: of like a, on the crux age frame, um, age range.
- 1:05:15Speaker 1: I mean, If you're not cool. And they cast two
- 1:05:21Speaker 1: people that actually wouldn't be cool.
- 1:05:24Speaker 2: Yeah. And also. Yeah. No, go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no.
- 1:05:28Speaker 2: Go ahead. again, like to do with about freshman year,
- 1:05:33Speaker 2: I think is so interesting where like, it's not like
- 1:05:35Speaker 2: if freshmen versus seniors, like you'd seen other movies, it's like,
- 1:05:38Speaker 2: it's everybody in this movie is a freshman, but that
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: there's no like pressure of them being new. It's almost
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: like they're very established in the school. It's very strange.
- 1:05:47Speaker 2: You just don't see that that often either.
- 1:05:49Speaker 1: Well, I couldn't believe. So it was like, there's my,
- 1:05:51Speaker 1: somebody said some teacher or something goes like, there's my
- 1:05:53Speaker 1: quarterback of the JV team. And I'm like, Rick is
- 1:05:55Speaker 1: on the JV team. And then later they say, Oh,
- 1:05:59Speaker 1: you know, freshman year. And I'm like, they're freshmen.
- 1:06:02Speaker 2: That's like, I was so blown away by that. The whole,
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: everyone in the cast is freshmen. Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:06:09Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I love this movie. Superman isn't brave. Um,
- 1:06:15Speaker 1: that's my advice. Angus advice. Superman isn't brave. Superman isn't brave.
- 1:06:21Speaker 1: The hold on. Let me go through my notes. I
- 1:06:23Speaker 1: have it in capital letters. This is Angus, right?
- 1:06:29Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
- 1:06:31Speaker 1: Here we go. Nope, that's the raptor jumping out and
- 1:06:34Speaker 1: killing Lex.
- 1:06:35Speaker 2: That was written down?
- 1:06:37Speaker 1: It was in my notes.
- 1:06:38Speaker 2: Really? Wow.
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: He's smart, he's handsome, even decent, but he's not brave.
- 1:06:42Speaker 1: He's indestructible, and you can't be brave if you're indestructible.
- 1:06:45Speaker 1: It's people like you and your mother, people who are
- 1:06:47Speaker 1: different and can be crushed and know you can be crushed,
- 1:06:50Speaker 1: yet they keep going on out there every time. That's
- 1:06:52Speaker 1: my Angus advice.
- 1:06:55Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah.
- 1:06:58Speaker 1: What's your Angus advice?
- 1:07:00Speaker 2: Screw them. Just dance.
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: Even better. Honestly, even top. It's very rare that you
- 1:07:06Speaker 1: taught my advice, but you sure did.
- 1:07:08Speaker 2: I never think of it ahead of time, but I
- 1:07:09Speaker 2: was like, this is the best one to go with. Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:07:12Speaker 1: I love there's so many podcasts where I go, Ryan,
- 1:07:15Speaker 1: what's your advice?
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: And you go.
- 1:07:16Speaker 1: Ooh, advice. And I say, we do this every time.
- 1:07:20Speaker 1: Every time we do it, Ryan.
- 1:07:21Speaker 2: I think it's better to never think of it. There's
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: only a few times I'm like, okay, this might be
- 1:07:24Speaker 2: a good one. Yeah. And it's always bad, as you
- 1:07:26Speaker 2: all heard on Breakfast Club. So there we go. Yep. Yep.
- 1:07:30Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you for listening. Love this movie. If
- 1:07:36Speaker 1: you've never seen it, go watch it.
- 1:07:37Speaker 2: Check it out, guys.
- 1:07:38Speaker 1: It's not ruined for you.
- 1:07:40Speaker 2: Check it out. You'll love it.
- 1:07:42Speaker 1: Loved it.
- 1:07:43Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:07:45Speaker 1: That's it. Catch you on the flip. Don't forget to
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: buckle your shoes. Anything else, Ryan?
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: No, that's it.