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Dr. Narco Longo - Old World Florida | Columbus Rediscovered, and The Jewish Pirates of The Caribbean? · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

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[SPEAKER_00]: My family thinks I'm crazy, podcast where I, your host, try to give you some tips on how you can explain all this weird, wild, crazy conspiracy stuff The people you love most, because that's what I've been trying to do for the past 10 years with no success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they don't want to listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, oh, here we go, Mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Off again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be hard to be a Mark again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's the thing about all I'd best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is almost a dozen different historians and academic scholars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They basically say all that all say the same thing and you can test this if you just like keyword search it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Between 14, 50ish, maybe 1500 and 17 of between there's the
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the Americas was synonymous, synonymous with being Jewish, it was a kind of a don't ask don't tell kind of nickname for Jews in the New World, because Jews were outright outlawed in the New World, so to even whisper or to gossip about someone being Jewish,
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[SPEAKER_02]: would actually, yes, you could get, you know, yes, you could kind of accuse anyone of being Jewish, but it's kind of like going to court, you know, if you drag someone to court, you have to go to court too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, everyone was afraid of the inquisition, people were afraid of making false allegations, and people were afraid of getting dragged in and being squeezed for more accusations, because that would have them too, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so basically no one would even hit people would rarely even utter the word Jew in the new world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they did want to do that, or just kind of speak casually about someone who may or may not be Jewish, they would call them Portuguese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just heard today's guest, who joins me, Mystic Mark, here on the My Family Thinks of Crazy Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoy this conversation with Dr. Marco Lanko.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the My Family Thinks of Crazy Podcasts returning to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is the man behind old world Florida that is Dr. Narco Longo himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good friend of the show, good friend of our friend, Juan, over there at the Juan Juan podcast, happy to see Juan come out of his retirement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Partly thanks to you, I think, Dr. Narcos, so thank you for that, and you know, here we are back again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again for joining Kurt as well for people who haven't seen the dirt with Kurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Narco was most recent guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So aside from all that, how have you been?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been great dude and thanks again for having me on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know it's good to have Vaughn back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So me and Vaughn are back and full swing on a pretty good schedule and you're doing a show with him too, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just, you know, lazy when it comes to book in the guest lately and I know one has two days available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, look, his ears were ringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's of it when he's available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just like to, yeah, throw them in the ring when I can, because he's got a lot to say, doesn't always give himself credit, but yeah, yeah, once great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you, you're in the bookstore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You put out a tremendous amount of content on your YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How often are your deep dives, if you will, inspired by things you come across in the bookstore?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is there a level of synchronicity or serendipity to being in the bookstore when it comes to that kind of thing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I can't downplay the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, the kind of materials I have in my disposal here and I never want to come off as like, you know, I've got these books and no one else does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, but and also, you know, a lot of times on my channel, it's kind of like a breath of fresh air from being around here, um, going around Florida and exploring more boots on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's sometimes like a whole different universe, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In many cases, especially like the Jewish pirates book, that's a book that we sell here at the bookstore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of our top sellers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of our, like, all-time top sellers, we sell out almost every week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, five copies a week or so, if not more in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like that advantage to, you know, talk out certain books, especially considering you've got a good group of local supporters and followers who are patronizing the shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know, there's also a lot of good books that just kind of support and more of a general sense support, you know, some of the theories I get into like we have some books about Jesus theories about Jesus is appearances in the Americas, some of which some of which are non-mormon, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes I talk about that theory about
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[SPEAKER_02]: either the Bible being connected to the Americas in any way, or vice versa, or Jesus, you know, basically Native Americans having legends of something similar to Jesus, very, very many parallels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when many people hear that today, they think, oh, that's just a more meant thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_02]: starting with Columbus how much Bible biblical stuff or what seemed to be biblical traditions, cultures, little even artifacts, you know, eventually we're already here in America before Columbus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have a great book here in the bookstores, probably one of our most
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that author, for what I've heard, he ended up being Mormon because, you know, they maybe they closely aligned with his theories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the whole story, but he basically cataloged all the similar legends to America, or similar legends in America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of Jesus, who they call the peacemaker, the son of the breath maker, or the breath maker himself, you know, variations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also a story of words like, Yo, Hey, Wah, Jehovah, words like that in the Native American, you know, Pantheon,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I've been into stuff like that and right right here behind me is like the Native American section and I had a friend who was in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was just going through the books and he found two copies of that book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He walked the Americas and we had a price for 30 bucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: turns out they're worth closer to a thousand, you know, 500,000, maybe even more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, really nice books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just stumbled onto those, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't even realize they were in here and stuff like that happens all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See now, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Narko, with my new occupation, we might have a good little deal here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually stumbled upon one of those books as well, because I've been doing like clear routes and like helping people get rid of their junk too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mainly define valuable things to resell and being a book, how in the book Obsessor for so many years, especially esoteric books, I knew immediately that he who walked the Americas book was something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Michael Wan actually showed me a copy of that book once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So before, and he didn't want to give it to me, my gave me a bunch of books, and that was one that I was like, can I have this one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I saw it, I was like, oh, I got to get this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you probably know, you can find all sorts of treasures that use bookstores well under their actual price.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you can find the right buyer, yeah, I imagine that that book is that valuable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows, maybe maybe one day I'll give you a call and say, hey, what's the address?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sending you a box.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, the he was interestingly about about the two copies of he walked the Americas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're first edition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe, but they're unused.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're unarmed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they are branded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've just been on the shelves for, you know, decades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also, you know, we just took, uh, there's a guy who worked in Washington, DC, some archivist who, uh, passed away in the area recently, and, you know, we get to go through, uh, you know, kind of like estate sales and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: dig into cool old books but we are mostly like maybe 90% new books so some of them are old and vintage but um many of them are still unknown you know they just have been here a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing, you know, we are sort of piggybacking off for some of the things I heard you say, while I was producing your conversation with Kurt the other day, and you know, there is there is a tremendous amount of old books that are truly worthless, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it is troubled to sort through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: them because not only are they outdated and have wrong information in them, but they're also like quite a language that's not always easy to read, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, I get your point there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with the exception of those few gems, so it almost makes like for a guy like me worth it to sort through the junk to find that needle in the haystack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the most profitable end of book selling, so I get where you're trapped with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But just as a collector of strange ideas, I mean, that book kind of stands in a special category, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe let's get into some of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: for acidity to this, because I like you have a huge amount of respect for anybody who puts a book out that, you know, like his controversial and that topic wasn't always so controversial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's controversial, but there was a certain time in American history where they readily accepted this idea that maybe events from the Bible took place in this new, what they were calling a new world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100% and, you know, I probably sound like a broken record a lot of the time always talking about Columbus, but it's hard not to because so much of what we, you know, pretty much everything, you know, our whole window into American history kind of begins with him and he Christopher Columbus himself,
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[SPEAKER_02]: was theorizing about biblical events in the Americas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He suspected that the lands he discovered, which he kind of pretended he was just looking for Asia, because remember, he had to get the approval of the king in the queen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The king and the queen of Spain, who are in the process of spelling the Jews, many of Columbus' best friends and financiers, they weren't necessarily going to sign on for a voyage to an unknown mysterious Atlantis like continent that we may or may not even know exists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that may or may not be referenced in the Bible, just for this kind of hell-marry escape mission, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I believe that's kind of what Columbus was going for, but what he had to show the King in the Queen, what he was pitching to them was very different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where you get looking for Asia, looking for China, looking for India, looking for a new route to the
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we can show pretty clearly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Columbus's motivations were much different than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They may have included that those a little bit, but...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like I mentioned, you know, in Kurt Show, Columbus did some traveling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He, he sampled around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He fished around for legends and reliable, you know, navigational facts and, you know, old archives, right that no one was interested in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Columbus went to Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He went to Iceland in Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He heard about St. Brendan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He heard about Prince Maddock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These guys who legend tells, they cross the Atlantic to this other world, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Avalon, the Welsh called it Appalach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: real interesting word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're apple latch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep that one in mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he went to Iceland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course he heard about leaf erics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he knew something was over here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew the climate was a little different in what they had found from Asia that he was kind of pretending to look for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he was hopeful, he was open-minded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, he believed he, in his writings, he talked about O' Fear, Tarshish, he talked about what's the other one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always get the name wrong, it's either Azareth or Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's another one of like these farway lands, across the body of water that, you know, people were expelled to or,
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[SPEAKER_02]: ran away too, and Columbus believed in these places, another thing after the fact, skipping forward a little bit, Columbus' own son, who wrote the biography of the official, most concise intimate
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[SPEAKER_02]: In his biography, he wrote that Columbus, when he got to the Caribbean, he believed he had found the fortunate aisles, the hasperidian islands, or the Atlantis, basically, which were an island
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[SPEAKER_02]: that have kind of been attached to Atlantis in different legends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're certainly connected in legends, but geographically it's always kind of different how close they were together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the disparities were these islands out in the West.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that were kind of on the way to Atlantis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they knew about the Canaries a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had some legends about the Canaries, but then even farther beyond that, there were all these other legends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for example, they called the Caribbean after the Caribbean's, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Caribbean tribes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we get the word cannibal allegedly, because Columbus,
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[SPEAKER_02]: passed along the word Caribb and said that they may have been, you know, they may have eaten human flesh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I believe Caribb became cannibal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the proposed, you know, etymologies for cannibal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another word for the Caribbean, you know, give or take a couple islands, is the Antilles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Antillian Islands.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Antilius were named after Antilia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Antila is like the Spanish version of Atlantis or Avalon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all, you know, let's just kind of look across the map for a sec.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Ireland, they had the other world, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: These different names for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've talked about the to author-day denin on the show and how these creatures came from somewhere in the west, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this group of people, the famorians were like the beasts and then there is this other class of people that were more like the fae, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they all came to Ireland from this other world, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the Phoenicians, the Vikings, you know, Ireland was a pit stop for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Iceland was a pit stop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could basically take the northern route, which takes you past Ireland, some of the islands north of the British Isles, like the Heberties, Iceland over to Canada, and then down the Atlantic coast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or you can go down towards the canaries and try and slingshot, try and shoot the gap to almost the coast of South America, and then come up the coast, come up the Atlantic coast, up the Caribbean, up past Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Columbus would do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd go down with canaries and then take off from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and as you sort of were describing, he took a lot of time to gather what information was available, because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it wasn't written down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this kind of information wasn't written down, but it was probably passed around by sailors and people who knew navigation, going back to, you know, this Roman period where we've had several guests on the show established pretty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good evidence that Rome knew about the Americas and maybe was the sort of the reason for that missing copper up in the Great Lakes region.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's in Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a copper mine with tons of copper that's been taken out of there and there's really no explanation in the official way of
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[SPEAKER_00]: where the copper went because Native Americans weren't using copper like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what, you know, what was, what was the source?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where was, who, who was behind that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a ton of mysteries there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to cut you off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kind of trailing off here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Romans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that adds to kind of the picture I'm painting here
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[SPEAKER_02]: each culture over on the old world side, what I'm going on the old world side, had their version of a legend, a myth, some type of memory of Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, well, excuse me, all right, exposed, all right, I meant to say America, all right, I'm too too Florida-centric, but the Americas is what I meant to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: some of them I believe did have a unique memory of Florida.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you think it to those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you were kind of getting to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm jumping ahead of you, but when you mentioned how these different groups of people would navigate across the Atlantic Ocean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that Columbus sort of tried to skirt that gap because obviously South America, to anyone who's familiar with geography, South America's eastern coast juts out pretty far into the Atlantic Ocean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we also
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[SPEAKER_00]: must reconcile the Gulf Stream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine if they were able to make it across the Atlantic going westward, then going eastward back home would be really easy because we know that this warm water streams out from
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Gulf of America or Gulf of Mexico is its formerly known and up these coasts across the Atlantic in the north and into Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would have had an easy way home if they did make it out this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, you know, the Gulf Stream is referenced in so many variations of the Atlantis myth, the Atlantis story, the box saga talks about the Gulf Stream, you know, the, the Gulf Stream is a crucial component to the box saga and many other, you know, spin offs of the Atlantis legend, but also.
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[SPEAKER_02]: how so many things end up following the Gulf Stream, so many different voyagers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why the Celtic legends are so important too, because even if you start off in Africa, no matter who you are, Greek, Phoenician, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you do get lucky across the Atlantic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You take the northern route back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you find out what the Gulf Stream is and take it back, back across the Atlantic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're probably going to be in farther north than you'd like to be unless you're from that area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then that have to come down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: much of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So many things wash up in Ireland, many things wash up over there that have taken this big long journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be true for people who were blown off course or, you know, I had no idea where they were going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the Celts had their legend of the other world, which
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, but in many legends it was very much geographic, geographically described, like our across the Atlantic Ocean, the land in the west, and just right down to the name, Avalon means land of apples.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what Appalach means, too, the Welsh version of Avalon, and one of the Welsh versions of Avalon, loosely synonymous with Avalon, Appalach, Appalach means land of apples.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Avalon means, too, is land of apples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, right, if, you know, for anybody who knows your channel well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: knows that there's, you know, fruits play a pretty big role in this research because, you know, you can see food, we're going to share food across the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great commodity, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but let's get into that etymology of Apple because when we hear Apple today, we think of the modern Apple, but that's not what the word has always meant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I learned that from you recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Apple and Northern Europe, that word's been around a pretty really, really long time in German, you know, Apple and over in Welsh, you know, have a lawn or Celtic or something over there, have a lawn, apple, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all pretty much the same route.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been there for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now back then, when you go back a couple thousand years, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe more 5,000 years, whatever, they didn't have the Apple, not to my knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The common Apple, the conventional Apple that we call it today, Apple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is from Kazakhstan, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and but before that word apple was applied to almost any fruit that was larger than a berry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe not a melon, like a large melon, but something in between, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a big, big citrus piece of citrus if it found its way into northern Europe might be called an apple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to kind of step outside the bounds of conventional etymology or, you know, linguistics, get more, you know, mystical with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's an undeniable association between Apple and Apollo, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Golden Disk, the Golden Ball, the Sun, the Sun God, the Golden Apples of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I look at Apple, I see Apollo, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more of like the golden apple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see Apollo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also see a connection with Approdite with a P, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So not to be rude here, but you know, our red apple is very much like associated not just with the Bible story, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, the female body in general, temptation, you know, sexuality, apple bottom jeans, you know, something like that, I like to point out citrus is very much masculine right it's it's like a perfect sphere right, but an apple is undeniably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of more feminine in its curves, right in its qualities, and also when you look at apples, astrologically they're real by Venus, and Venus is Aphrodite in a way, and so the astrological
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apple's an interesting word, and just to bring it to kind of a, you know, segue to another real interesting topic is the whole garden of the Eden story in Florida centers around a river and an area called Appalachicala, which was named for the Indians who lived there called the Appalachian Indians, they lived there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: close to a Pensacola, Tallahassee over there on the Gulf Coast of Florida, and it said that, us, um, Prince Maddock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: specifically went to the Gulf Coast of America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's believed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that there was many Welsh traits and Welsh words in the Indians, you know, in the Mississippi, all the different tributaries of the Mississippi and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the man-danned tribe was one tribe specifically that was mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And people say, oh, that's been debunked, but I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the the Appalach name is so
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[SPEAKER_02]: just, you know, in Florida, we have a gun in X, he didn't, he didn't win, but he ran for governor Florida, E.E.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Callaway, the guy who wrote the book about the Garden of Eden being in Florida, called in the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: E.E.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Callaway said the Garden of Eden was in the Appalachicala area
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alabama and Georgia State lines come very close together, where Florida, Georgia and Alabama all come together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right over there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Appalachical River flows down into the Gulf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, the apological, this area, which is actually one of the most biodiverse areas in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an Ice Age refuge, which means things survived there that didn't survive anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of the most, you know, temperate in a good sense, one of the most hospitable climates in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of Florida, it's best, you know, people say, Florida is too hot or too tropical or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Appalachical has more of a southern feel to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It also has elevation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the few places in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see rolling hills and little cliffs and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that place is called Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's down at the very southern end of the Appalachian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What turns into the Appalachian mountains.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to call them mountains, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: The apological river is basically the, and the apologic Indians is the origin of the name Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So from there, that's where the Europeans started off exploring the rest of Appalachia, the mountains, the smoky mountains,
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[SPEAKER_02]: there was an effort around the time of Abraham Lincoln to rename America and they were coming up with different names and they wanted to have a name that was unique from South America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or sorry, they either wanted to consolidate like North America into a different name or give the United States of America more of a nice single name, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of being like the United Arab Emirates, you know, it's kind of a mouthful, they're just going to give us a nice name, you know, country name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the two finalists for the renaming of America was
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[SPEAKER_02]: and Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we almost are living in Appalachia today, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was vetoed, they decided to not officially change the name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it didn't get finalized.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the specifics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was ever something that went to Congress, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or if it was just kind of a petition, but it was a real debate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty fierce at times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was thousands and thousands of supporters on either side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we almost live in Appalachia, which is pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to your point about how many, you know, how some of the theories about Bible, the Bible in America are, you know, maybe out of Vogue today, they're kind of for maybe even scoffed out, right?
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, before, you know, we mentioned Columbus, there's also people like Thomas Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thomas Jefferson, who is really an interesting guy, he, if I'm not mistaken, he instructed Lewis and Clark, hey, when you guys cross America, I want you to write down all the Hebrew traits and characteristics, tell me everything Hebrew or biblical that you guys see when you're crossing America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't think they had anything for him when they came back, but he did, in fact, to ask them, request them to do that because he was a believer, where he was at least very interested in the Jewish American Indian theory, and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... you can even look at some of Abraham Lincoln's writings or or surprisingly proto-mormon in a way like uh... he almost kind of compares he compares Adam to Jesus you know how like they mirror each other and then he also mirrors Moses and Columbus and i don't think he knew that that Columbus saw himself like that too
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Mormons actually look at Columbus almost as like a saint or a, I don't want to use the word prophet, but almost like a, you know, a extra bit of a cool figure who belongs alongside all these other kind of holy men throughout history, they really reveal Columbus and see him through a religious lens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which Columbus did himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's all these other names, you know, all these other great people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And well, I don't know if there's truth to it, it is kind of something that's been maybe seized by ancient aliens and taken in a different direction, but you surely know the story of Columbus seeing the lights off the side of the boat at night and being guided to shore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this whole idea that he, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: was guided by aliens or in this maybe more rational way of looking at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was a a prophetic sort of symbol, a sort of religious experience happening where, you know, he believed in something so, so much, acted with it, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think what that's going
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's a couple of cool little spin-off stories there, but I don't think that was, you know, I've read through his journals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I can't recall them by memory, you know, but I've read through most of his journals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm especially on his first voyage and his, you know, first for, first for voyage is what exists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've read through most of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember any kind of UFO thing, but,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe what they're, at least a little bit referencing is in October, like right before he landed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that night before he landed, he saw a candle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or something like it can't really saw a light that was almost dipping up and down close to the horizon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they kind of, I think, used that and just kind of steered towards that for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a debate, so pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's been all these people who kind of go through the crew members, Columbus's crew members, and they, you know, they list which ones were Jewish or crypto Jews or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I heard about the guy who first sighted land was because he was allegedly a conversa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget his name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, I'm just going to look it up right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rodrigo de Triana, as his name was on the tip of my tongue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's the I of first sighted land, and he's believed to have been a Jew, a conversore, a crypto Jew, and interestingly, he's believed to be the I of first sighted land, and some people say that Columbus came up with the candlelight story in order to claim that he saw land first, because there was a reward for claiming that you first sighted land.
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[SPEAKER_02]: received that reward because he claimed he saw the light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he claimed that there was a fire candle off in the distance on the shore and that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So first first dibs basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the only real mystery was that when they did get to shore later on, I don't think they saw many fires.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were kind of like, oh, what was that like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'll just...
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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to jog my memory, looked up something relating to this, but Columbus, you know, going back to, you know, him doing research and trying to figure out what information was available about this new world came across according to this Wikipedia article.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The account of a fifth-century
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: um, it will about the sargasso sea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at a map of the sargasso sea, I mean, it's pretty obvious, anybody with eyes that the current kind of just take you right from the coast of Africa across down to the coast of South America and into the Caribbean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's, it's pretty straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this idea that, you know, people had been there before, it's kind of silly,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a lot of competition for resources at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've even heard that I think it was the general genu-eason, sort of government, whatever they were, royal family or such.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had like a plot of land in Italy that was their kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had all sorts of evidence of the new world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had hidden it away somewhere in Scotland, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the whole mystery of this certain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've blanking on the name of the place in Scotland, but there's allegedly new world plants depicted inside of this Scottish chapel, or Roslyn Chapel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've got a couple of books on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I forget if it's like a Templar thing or, um, it's like a Proto-free Masonic thing, um, I forget when it was when it was constructed but certainly before Columbus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess what I'm getting to is like this is all within the realm of very highly classified information in the hands of
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[SPEAKER_00]: very powerful and noble people, and at least some maybe esoteric groups in between, you know, the few people who were knowledgeable enough to read and what not, probably collected this information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: held on to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like a sort of, I don't know, um, um, a battle to, in many ways, a sort of espionage about who would get their first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this whole idea that Columbus would lie about seeing it first isn't surprised me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of just hard for the course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then also, you know, getting into this whole, you know, uh, jujude, jude, or jush angle with everything,
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's certainly a esoteric undercurrent to Judaism, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a whole aspect of it that is inherently occult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some of this information was, you know, sort of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and when people like Columbus, whether he was Jewish or not, I think I think it's pretty obvious he was, but when they were being exiled from Europe, I mean, it's like right out of their religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, here they are again being exiled and where do they, oh, maybe this secret holy land, America?
43:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever heard a legend?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever heard of the legend of the red Jews?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I even saw something on history channel where they interviewed a Native American person who had claimed to be Jewish and everyone in his tribe had like biblical names, but like Old Testament, Bible names, and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's what you're alluding to, which sounds like Red Jew would be like a Native American Jew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, a little bit, you know, that's where I would take, that's where I, that's what I think the explanation is, but read Jews, it's a old Jewish legend from right before Columbus's time, so the 13th to the 15th century, right right up into the 1400s right before Columbus leaves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there were kind of, there was kind of some writing on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They'd been kicked out of some places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The writing was on the wall in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 1391, there was all these massacres in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jews were being killed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was mob, you know, mob attacks on Jewish businesses and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: mass conversions forced conversions in some cases to Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of had a hundred years to kind of prepare and you know craft a device a plan up until 492.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 391.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to 492.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But even before that, a couple hundred years before that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 1200s to the 1400s, there was a legend called the Red Choose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is before they'd ever found the Americas, anyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was basically a legend that it was about a kingdom in a faraway land that was full of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not necessarily Jewish people, but Israelites lost, Israelites Hebrew's something, something out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the association with the color red is pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were called the red Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's different explanations why, but some people said it did have to do with the parents, that they looked red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And remember, I'm always talking about red hair and Jewish people, and that's one of the evidences that Columbus was Jewish was he had red hair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not many Italian men have read here, very, very few, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jewish men, however, have some of the most read here, second to Celtic people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there is the read here side of it, but also complexion, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a radish complexion certainly brings to mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the Native Americans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was something the founding fathers would always talk about was were the Native Americans lost tribes of Israel or were they in some way influenced or in some small part descended from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the the Israelites or or just Phoenicians or some other Semitic people who have happened to get you know stuck or stopped in America there's all these theories right there's the Phoenicians that could explain it you know if some Phoenicians were were Hebrew some Phoenicians spoke Hebrew
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[SPEAKER_02]: had the Hebrew religion and vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some Israelites had the Canaanite religion or the Philistine religion and they were hiding it or infiltrating it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's all these different kind of cross pollinations or different explanations of how they got here.
47:54
[SPEAKER_02]: The Mormons have their
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's more to it than, you know, just the complexion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, you know, certain similarities and religious beliefs and even just geographical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like toponyms and things like that where you know certain rivers match descriptions of places that don't really we don't really have a place for in the traditional you know accepted convention of where biblical events took place right because there's a whole science to
48:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the biblical history, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people who go and study only that, and they try their hardest to find maybe archaeological sites to back up this stuff.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of throws a big wrench in all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe a reason why a lot of this has been for the most part in our recent time since the science of archaeology began,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, suppress what rather unknown to most people, but it does coincide like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kind of stuff was talked about a lot and then archeology comes around and all this stuff is kind of forgotten about and these new theories about the Native Americans being only from the land bridge clove his first I mean even to this day you look at what's going on with like Flint dibble and all this nonsense like people just argue and argue about the Native Americans and this sort of provenance of where they
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[SPEAKER_00]: came from when, you know, it seems like more and more evidence shows that there's nothing to do with coming from Asia, you know, it's a lot more complicated than that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think there is one kind of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would say if there's one thing that we can kind of all rally around is that the bulk of North American Indians, the bulk of their kind of genetic contribution came from
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you that all the other alternatives are totally downplayed, if not, outright, to discount it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd say,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, with all the theories that I'm into like the, you know, the Irish and the Welsh coming here, and who else, the Vikings, the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, with all that stuff, Turks, you know, Muslims, even with all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what would be equivalent today is like billions of dollars and just like when and no one ever saw them again and then some came back and was like yeah we made it by guys yeah so you know even though i'm interested in all these theories you know i never want to give the impression that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think all the Native Americans had to come from somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think we can work around and use kind of the baseline that most Native Americans seem like, yeah, they did wander over from the Barringstrait.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of like the base template of Native Americans of the majority of their genes, their ancestry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or almost, in my opinion, they're easily explained, apparently, you know, evidently, explainable by
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[SPEAKER_02]: different cultures, so are different voyages, one-off voyages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and here's a times like a times like colonization, like up in the Northeast, they have Viking DNA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have more Viking DNA into the even into some of the great planes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Vikings went up into these places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see some of these Indians were like six foot six six eights, you know up up in your territory right you're you're up in that ballpark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Oh, yeah my own height.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also this region that I live in yeah like the great lakes and you know Upstate New York and even to this day like a lot of those guys who grow up on the res up there are big dudes Like like lacrosse players you look at the the guy across their all big guys for the most part
52:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, in the Northeast, if you just even go ask the McMac tribe, they themselves and their own legends, they have legends of, they have a history of, yep, the Templars came here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, the Vikings came here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We remember that, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, the Welsh or, you know, different Celts came here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We remember that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We remember the basketballers coming by.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We remember Portuguese, Wales, coming by.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say we remember, um, so much of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Mick Mack, who may have even had a type of written language, the whole time, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: their clothing was very sophisticated, their technology was very sophisticated, their lifestyle was almost on par with like, you know, very, very northern Europeans, like almost like close to the Sammy or, you know, something like that, the Sammy, Sammy people up there, like in northern Scandinavia,
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[SPEAKER_02]: deer and, you know, a lot of leather, a lot of wrapping stuff up, but also a beautiful clothing that was like, you know, you didn't see that in the middle of America, you know, some of the great planes Indians or some of them were truly like naked most of the time, you know, wearing very little, just wearing kind of leather skins and stuff, but up in the northeast there, they had a pretty sophisticated
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, wave life and even some of the long house culture, you know, the way that the way that live in their homes seem to be reminiscent of Viking or Celtic culture.
54:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go down to like the South America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and yeah it seems pretty evident even now they're they're kind of admitting the genetics show that many of the south west so death down in South America along the west coast a pacific coast they've got a ton of islander DNA they've got a ton of you know almost like indronesian
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, these don't have to be the best sailors in the world either, you know, sometimes you just, I won't even say get lucky, but sometimes you can get unlucky and get thrown across, taken by a storm and making it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of it is like people discount like getting straight on a current.
55:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And just like we looked, our eye looked at this map here.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love this orgaso seek.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I encourage people to go and look that up.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You see the currents taking people around the Atlantic, the same thing's going on in the Pacific.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Guy Thore, higher doll, who made the voyage across the Pacific, which is a raft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He called it the Kantiki voyage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when it happened.
56:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was like one of these guys who studied exactly what we were talking about and wasn't necessarily promoted for it.
56:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So he went out and did this kind of stunt to get more attention on it.
56:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think people discount how much of a melting pot the world already was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we get this idea that oh America's this great first time experiment where for the first
56:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's been happening for a while and maybe it was already like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get this homogenized version of history.
56:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I think some Chinese people were coming over, Chinese-ish, East Asian people, we're crossing and reaching places like California, the Pacific Coast of North America.
57:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Mexico, there's always been this kind of strange affinity between parts of Mexico and parts of China, you know, like this Chino culture, you know, it's almost like a reference to
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a large Chinese presence in the, you know, the western parts of America like around the civil war and stuff and the whole Gold Russian all that there was thousands and thousands of Chinese people here, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've always wondered,
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of explored maybe some explanations, you know, did they have some ancient connection to this place?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it on their radar for longer than we think?
57:50
[SPEAKER_02]: There are theories about like big piles of stones and there's like stone walls across the western United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people think
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[SPEAKER_02]: might have been like Chinese or Asian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some cool artifacts that have even washed up in off the coast of Florida that looked Chinese.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now some people say those could be from could be from just the old Spanish kind of gold and silver trade because sometimes they would go from the Philippines all the way across the Pacific to America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: load a ship in the Caribbean and then then take it to Spain that way the long way, you know, there are maybe not so long, but um, and that's that could explain why some Asian things would kind of be shipwrecked off the coast of Florida, but there's always cool little theories and then also
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[SPEAKER_02]: certain like rain for like Amazon tribes there's like a pretty wild genetic or almost like a parent racial variation in some of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: uncontacted or uncontacted or like little rarely contacted tribes some of them look pretty like Latin American maybe with just very squinty eyes some of them look almost more african looking you know and
59:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and there are, there's a significant amount of research that shows humans change genetically when they live inside of a rainforest.
59:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's how we get these pygmy type people that are found all over the equator, and it's, I think, multi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: racial, I don't think there's only one race of pigmies.
59:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it can happen to any type of person.
59:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like just the shrinking effect, like the same thing happened to the Javan rhinoceros and the Indian elephant, like being in the smaller conditions, shrinks creature over time.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're absolutely right.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_02]: There is kind of a weird thing about being stuck on an island and getting smaller.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But Mark, did you also know that there's a thing called Island Giganticism?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't, I was referring to more what happens inside within a rainforest.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right, okay, you're right.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an on an island tell me about that, because that sounds interesting.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, sorry, I might have inserted Island, the island.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I did that.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, yeah, you're absolutely right.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, there is something called Island Trichantism.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, certain animals when they're maybe dropped off or stuck on an island, they actually get bigger.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it depends, you know, kind of on food availability and stuff and predators,
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't happen, so in some of like the giant theories and stuff, there were legends of giants out in the Caribbean, stuff like that, but do you want to take us too far off course, but.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, we can get back to the island conversation because it is more within the region of what we wanted to talk about, but you're speaking about people specifically getting bigger, not just animals, but yeah.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's usually like rats.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_02]: That happens to like hedgehogs and rats.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like the Wikipedia mainly talks about just
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, rodents and stuff.
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess it can happen to primates, too.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, case of the Commodore Dragon, it was the opposite, because if we had an island of humongous Commodore Dragons, that would inevitably be a problem somehow.
1:02:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'd be some kind of drug lord who made it an invasive species somewhere, like the hippo,
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_00]: When we started the conversation, the intention was to get into Jewish pirates and I've definitely taken this way off course, no pun in.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So you brought Islands up.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that because Columbus notoriously was Spanish, but as you know, the esoteric side of things points to him being,
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe actually Jewish, and that was kind of a thing back then.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the conquistadors were what we call crypto Jews because at that point in history, the Catholic Church was not a fan of any Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you lived in Spain, either had to, you know, not be Jewish or leave, right?
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was kind of...
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[SPEAKER_00]: where we get that and then maybe within Mexican culture, you see today, Mexico, I think the president of Mexico is Jewish and people times point that out like why is that?
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, maybe this is just more evidence to show that there's this sort of undercurrent of Judaism within Spain and the whole Spanish, what was the Spanish Empire.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there are some wild excerpts from books like Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean that kind of demonstrate just how.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, pervasive and prominent, the Jews were in Latin America, especially in Portuguese, you know, America.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So in that book, Jewish Pies of the Caribbean, by Ed Critzler, and a couple others, and in the words of almost a dozen different historians and academic scholars, they basically say
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can test this if you just like keyword search it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Between 1450-ish, maybe 1500 and 1700.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Between there, so the 1500s, 1600s, there are only 1700s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To be called Portuguese in the Americas was synonymous, synonymous with being Jewish.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a kind of a don't ask don't tell kind of nickname for Jews in the New World.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because Jews were outright outlawed in the new world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to even whisper or to gossip about someone being Jewish, would actually, yes, you could get, you know, yes, you could kind of accuse anyone of being Jewish, but it's kind of like going to court, you know, if you drag someone to court, you have to go to court too.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So everyone was afraid of the inquisition.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_02]: People were afraid of making false allegations, and people were afraid of getting dragged in
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, more accusations, because that would happen too, you know, and so basically, no one would even, people would rarely even utter the word Jew in the new world.
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they did want to do that or just kind of speak casually about someone who may or may not be Jewish, they would call them Portugal's or Portuguese.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a well known, almost like a,
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, beyond that though, like you said, even the conquistadors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: People who were Portuguese or wearing the mask of Portugal did not face much scrutiny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Jews could pretend to be Portuguese in the Americas, or they could make a pit stop from Spain then Portugal, then to the Americas and call themselves Portuguese, and that would free them up from scrutiny because under Spain's under, you know, I forget which king
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the origin of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1492, the Jews got kicked out of Spain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had about five more years in Portugal to stay and get ready and regroup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So so many of the Spanish Jews became Portuguese right off the bat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the origin of that conflation between Portuguese and Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then after that, they all had to leave or convert.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But eventually, the king, one of the king's made a declaration that converses of Portuguese descent or any Jews of Portuguese descent would be given almost like a free pass, you know, look the other way.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_02]: There was other times where Span and Portugal were at each other's throats fighting, and any Jews who had claimed to be Portuguese inside with Spanish would kind of get Amnesty.
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's all these different kind of weird tie-ins that led to that association between Portuguese and Jewish, but going back to the even just the name to be a port-chugies.
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_02]: We've all heard of, this is a real thing.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_02]: We've all heard of court Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a real almost like a title or an occupation.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole Wikipedia page on court Jews, King Ferdinand had court Jews, Queen Isabelah had court Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, most of Columbus's friends were high, you know, very, very influential court Jews.
1:08:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's also a thing called port choose, okay?
1:08:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's basically, you know, both, they can be derogatory a little bit, but it's basically pointing to this, you know, this reality that choose have often congregated near port cities.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They have choose have historically functioned as the go between or buffer between multiple cultures.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_02]: speaking multiple languages for, you know, mercantile reasons, you know, being able to speak with more customers and being at the port, speaking as many languages as you can, gave you an advantage to trading and so on, gathering information.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and even to, for example, today, if I'm not mistaken,
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_02]: most of Florida's harbour pilots who are basically the people who take they take a smaller ship onto the larger like freight ships and cargo ships they come in or even cruise ships maybe and they are harbour masters or harbour pilots who know the layout of Miami harbour the
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll actually get onto the ships and lead them in because they're so familiar with it.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of take over the vessel on its last part of the voyage into the harbor.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that has almost always been a, like, Jews dominate that industry.
1:09:46
[SPEAKER_02]: They have historically been very overrepresented in port affairs, right?
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You hear where it's like port authority, right, uh, port, you know, people talk about, uh, maritime law and all this stuff.
1:09:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it all kind of, it all does kind of tie in.
1:10:04
[SPEAKER_02]: But the port is the, basically, the economic front door of a country or a city or a, you know, a state and, you know, Jews, be it because, you know, I'm not saying it's just like a, a stereotype, but maybe it's there, you know,
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you want to call it, it's just a tendency of the Jewish people to often congregate and form their communities around rich, busy ports.
1:10:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you look at the word, port, chew, gall, right, I look at it two ways.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have fun with this word, two ways.
1:10:49
[SPEAKER_02]: The boxaga,
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And some others, some of the more Phoenician and Celtic theories would say, it's the port to Gaul.
1:10:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's more of a more of a mainstream explanation.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Portugal's the port to Gaul, because that's kind of one of the last stops before you make it around the bend from the Mediterranean.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_02]: out past the pillars of Hercules or, you know, the streets of Gibraltar over there.
1:11:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, Portugal's one of your first or last stops going up over towards Gaul, the Gaulish lands, which back before, like Roman times, was France, a little bit of Spain, maybe Germany, Ireland,
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_02]: et cetera, gollish Celtic lands.
1:11:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So the port two goal.
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can also look at it as port two goal.
1:11:46
[SPEAKER_02]: These are the port two geese people, right?
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a port people.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can't just walk there.
1:11:56
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the Alps historically a huge barrier separating the north and south of Europe.
1:12:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, traveling by sea is the way to go, especially if you're trying to make money.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's very interesting.
1:12:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I never heard this connection before, but it makes a ton of sense, especially considering, you know, at the forefront of exploration in the new world where all these companies that were based in ports for the most part, like that was their whole, you know, the British Indian company, the Dutch East Indies company, West Indies company, and so on and so
1:12:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and the Portuguese, you know, well, sorry, the Jewish pirates, the Caribbean book, it focuses heavily on Portuguese history.
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it starts off with the Spanish and Cuisician Columbus, you know, almost doing this daring rescue mission.
1:13:00
[SPEAKER_02]: escape mission to find a escape route for the Jews to some other land that they could just be totally free from the tyranny and persecution, you know, in Europe, you know, don't want to be to mean, but, you know, they were certainly getting chased out of a lot of places they had to go somewhere.
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so many went to Islamic lands, many crossed into Morocco, who would, uh, later on, would also end up in the Caribbean and, and the southern United States, but, um, the Jewish pirates, the Caribbean, starts off kind of with the Inquisition.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_02]: with Columbus, the Jews, Jewish financiers, it talks about the Portuguese a lot, it also talks about how Jamaica was kind of bequeathed to the Columbus family.
1:13:54
[SPEAKER_02]: So Columbus had a lot of territory disputes and inheritance disputes.
1:14:00
[SPEAKER_02]: He found all this stuff but they didn't want to give it to his family.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_02]: The Spanish crown didn't want to give it to his family.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe because he was secretly Jewish,
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But eventually they did give it to, they gave Columbus.
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, they gave Jamaica to the Columbus family.
1:14:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jamaica under Columbus family rule became a Jewish haven.
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It became the Jewish capital of the New World.
1:14:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you never heard people say like a Jamaican money.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jamaican some money.
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jamaica, whatever.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamaican Jamaican money.
1:14:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were making money down in Jamaica of the Columbus family and that's another big part of the book and then it talks about the Dutch.
1:14:55
[SPEAKER_02]: and how the Dutch and the many of the Dutch East India company, West Indies company, many of those Dutch people were actually Portuguese Jews, Spanish Jews who were later allowed to settle in what I believe was Protestant, Amsterdam, because there was an affinity there between some of the Protestants and some of the Jews and they would unite against the Catholic
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the Catholic Church kind of shot themselves in the foot in both feet by going after the Protestants and the Jews at the same time.
1:15:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they kind of formed an unlikely alliance that's kind of where we get Amsterdam and New Amsterdam.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_02]: New York was the product of that, you know, cross pollination.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, absolutely, you see it in New England, you know, studying the history of New England, you look at Harvard and Yale and there's, you know, Old Testament symbols right there in there, there's college seals, like it's it's right in your face, you know, and a lot
1:16:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And not that there's anything inherently wrong with some of them, but it just seems like it's a coded message to some degree, you know.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, you know, even just kind of on that level, there's a cool book that we carry here, or not so much the book, more the author, kind of,
1:16:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not to like, not to be, you know, not to patronize or like whatever, but he's kind of a normie.
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's not like a huge conspiracy theorist or whatever.
1:16:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not, he's not an or ballpark necessarily, but he is very wise, intelligent guy.
1:17:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't align with him on everything, of course, here, but he and his books,
1:17:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at his one book looking at me right now called a freedom like no other.
1:17:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a new one.
1:17:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like a wake-up call to America.
1:17:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But let me look up the titles of his other books.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Oz Guinness.
1:17:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He and I believe he is related to the Guinness family.
1:17:29
[SPEAKER_02]: That we're thinking that everyone thinks of.
1:17:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But he writes about America.
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_02]: and something he emphasizes is the old testament and the Hebrew Israelite influence on the founding of America.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So, not necessarily Jewish, but the Old Testament Hebrew and Israelite influence on America's legal system, on our government, on the, you know, and how America was founded on the concept of a covenant.
1:18:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you can call this kind of a republic
1:18:05
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, democratic republic or whatever constitutional, you know, democracy, whatever they whatever they're calling it.
1:18:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can also look at it as a covenantal government, right?
1:18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an agreement between man and God and in a sense, you know, the whole thing about God
1:18:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's some interesting stuff there, you know, we don't have to look at it all through just like a, you know, Jewish conspiracy theory is there is kind of this nice beautiful ancient association and there's good and bad in there and
1:18:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everyone wanted to get to America, you know, can you blame him like America is all the fruit, all the nice food.
1:18:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the world was eating mush until they found America.
1:18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, and considering what's going on with Israel today, it's like the Jews already kind of found their homeland.
1:19:09
[SPEAKER_00]: If we if we accepted all this as, you know,
1:19:14
[SPEAKER_00]: history, as opposed to what it kind of sits in the sort of realm of the alternative now, maybe they wouldn't feel so inclined to genocide, Palestine, and genocide every country around them, the Gaza strip, and so on and so forth, all these little
1:19:34
[SPEAKER_00]: get those that they've created around Israel, you know, it's it's a shame that that's going on I can see where the animosity would build and people would get this sort of anti Jewish sentiment and try to see a Jewish conspiracy and in everything.
1:19:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that, but at the same time, yeah, I'm with you.
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely a silver lining and a reason to follow the golden rule still.
1:20:01
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we're living in a world where we all have the freedom to choose whatever religion we want.
1:20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny though, one and I, we were talking about something on a recent episode where some basically voodoo practitioners were taken to court and their argument was, well, you know,
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a case that had to do with mistreatment of animals and they argued that well people within the Jewish temple can sacrifice animals and how are what we're doing any different.
1:20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: under those, you know, sorry, that argument, they were let off of the charges, whenever the charges were, and yeah, it was taken as freedom of religion.
1:20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, there's definitely downsides and upsides.
1:20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a complicated mix of things.
1:20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh,
1:20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really fascinating when you add the element that this stuff has all for the most part remained.
1:21:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think disregarded history, you know, and that's kind of what I like to talk about the most on this show is the things that have been kind of disregarded or suppressed, you know,
1:21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: have covered this and you've covered it to a very lengthy extent you have three separate videos on the topic of Jewish Pirate to the Caribbean.
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think anyone whose curiosity was peaked is naturally going to go and check all three of those videos out like I did and
1:21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: very fascinating stuff to be found all over your channel, but as far as what you're doing next, the Evan E. plans to cover a feature book, a book you haven't covered yet, anything on, on this sort of template for what's next.
1:21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so there's three out so far, or three parts out so far, but there's going to be 11 parts total on that Jewish Pirates out here series following this is the by no means concluded, we're just getting started.
1:22:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So people can listen to all those, but then also in.
1:22:22
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... there's another book that's very similar so i don't know how close together i'm gonna do them but there's another book called sales of hope which was by
1:22:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what's his name?
1:22:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Simon Wees and Paul.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_02]: The famous, the infamous famous celebrated Nazi hunter.
1:22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's the guy, multiple movies have been made about him.
1:22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, uh, he is one of the guys.
1:22:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Israeli or Jewish, you know, very much Jewish guys who went hunting Nazis after World War II.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And he found, I think, more than anyone else.
1:22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I forget if he was like officially massade or just affiliated with them, but he was, yeah, one of his reals like top spies, James Bond type figure, and when he was kind of slowing down his career almost retiring, he wrote this book called Sales of Hope, which was, you know, of Jewish pirates, the Caribbean, spends maybe one or two chapters on the Columbus
1:23:25
[SPEAKER_02]: sales of hope is entirely about the Columbus story, much more in depth going in, naming his finance years, the Jewish members of his crew, things like that, and
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, basically that book is it's a little smaller than Jewish parts of the Caribbean.
1:23:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very rare.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to get sales for about $200 and not that many copies were made.
1:23:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And that book's not well known at all.
1:24:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not not very well known at all.
1:24:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have a copy of that.
1:24:04
[SPEAKER_02]: It took a little while to get, but um,
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very good book.
1:24:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably going to do an audio book of that as or I can't say audio book tech, you know, illegally, I don't know, trim trim that out or maybe not out of care.
1:24:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just kind of reading them chapter by chapter and post to get, so I don't know.
1:24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the publisher is like that.
1:24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, with sales of hope, I don't think they're going to care about Jewish pirates.
1:24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to kind of be a little careful.
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all fairies, but then, you know, I'm also, I'm also in the works.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm working on a book.
1:24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: We're working on re publishing in the beginning by E. E. Callaway, L. V. Edison Callaway.
1:24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: That's his book about Florida being the garden of Eden and.
1:25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: about Noah's arc, being constructed out of go for wood, which only grows and floored on.
1:25:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of those theories go back to him, but again, Columbus had very similar theories, hundreds of years beforehand, and I don't think Calaway even knew about that.
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, see, I love to hear that something that was probably very unacceptable is now going to be made more accessible because that's a big issue with these books, you know, when they become super rare, maybe they become more expensive or valuable because of that, but they also lose what their intended value is, which is for that knowledge to be shared and discussed, whether it's
1:25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: correct or not, you know, and that's kind of the interesting loop of this conversation because we sort of started talking about that.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're finishing by talking about that, but I would love to see you do that with more, you know, rare books or books that are maybe only available in cheap scans online, like taking them and giving them a new life.
1:26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Think of a few authors who deserve that treatment because unfortunately, yeah, there were people who wrote about this stuff way before it could ever be appreciated and it's just sort of been neglected in time.
1:26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Who does to you and your brother for doing that?
1:26:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope your brother's doing well as well.
1:26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been on the show before shot out to the professor long ago.
1:26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, thanks again, dude.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate you joining us.
1:26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, old world of Florida is where you can find Dr. Narco every week, but Gallo Glass books is the publishing.
1:26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: venture that you were just describing right this next book by Calloway's.
1:26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He published through that so people can go and check out Gallaglass books and has his own website, right?
1:27:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, my brother's already put out three books, you know, his, you know, uh, kind of personal projects and I'm working on the the Garden of Eden one, um,
1:27:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they're going to be doing a lot more than that.
1:27:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And the audio book, if people want to listen, the audio book for in the beginning is, I can call that an audio book, that's OK. No one has the rights to that.
1:27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: In the beginning, there's a full audio book on my YouTube channel that people can listen to if they want to hear it.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the most fascinating books
1:27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: in America history.
1:27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really do have the privilege of getting to like serve this on a silver platter, to everyone.
1:27:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It's he is like Florida's manly people.
1:27:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like Florida's Rudolph
1:28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who else.
1:28:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the guy is so unique, mysterious, open-minded.
1:28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He had almost some like, philosophical leanings and his location and time, that was very unique.
1:28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He ended up bumping into this,
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_02]: unique basically he's kind of drawing from the same vein in loosely speaking that people like Jordan Maxwell came out of.
1:28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jordan Maxwell's also from Florida.
1:28:39
[SPEAKER_02]: and they were, they had some similar influences, believe it or not.
1:28:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jordan Maxwell, it was kind of a little later, a later generation, but he, on those about this guy, really interesting guy, raving an interesting Florida governor race right now, people should go vote for fishback, James Fishback, if they're in Florida.
1:29:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um,
1:29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, governor race right now and what I'm putting out is it's going to be the original book served in a modern nice, you know, presentation nice package and I'm going to add, you know,
1:29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: at least 100 pages or so of updated information, things calibrated and know about all of which support his theories.
1:29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like I have the right to, you know, kind of add some stuff.
1:29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think you, I think you'll be okay with it.
1:29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not adding to his work, we're just kind of putting in foot notes and clarifying stuff at the end.
1:29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'd be happy to talk to you about that when it's ready to be published and all that good stuff.
1:29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, feel free to reach out and we'll get you in touch with Sam and the guys because I'm sure they'd love to have you back on and talk about that kind of stuff as well.
1:30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But until next episode, thank you all for tuning in, beyond the lookout for more stuff from Old World Florida, and until next episode, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.
1:30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is our episode with Dr. Narco Longo.
1:30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You can find him on Old World Florida.
1:30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a YouTube channel where he posts every week.
1:30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some lengthy live streams.
1:30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He does shows with our friend Juan.
1:30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't check it out.
1:30:40
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1:30:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He also didn't intervene recently with Kurt Metzker.
1:30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That was interesting.
1:30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: To say the least, it seemed, I don't know if Dr. Marco Longo has a moment to pick with Kurt, but Kurt's a big dog, and now Kurt's one of the big dogs.
1:31:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't, uh,
1:31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: he wasn't passed through much by it.
1:31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It is odd that multiple times, Dr. Longo tried to call Kurt and get to Frenning.
1:31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, to each his own, that's podcasts.
1:31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to Old World Florida and all they do, Shane Longo over there too.
1:31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the best.
1:31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we catch you on the next episode until then, commercial stuff in the moment where we want in the now.