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The Late Debate | 6 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late de Bait.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Joe Hildebrand and Danika to Georgio
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  Speaker 3: on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Dedanika, how was your day?
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  Speaker 4: I had a really busy day actually, but you know
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  Speaker 4: I'm still here and we're still going.
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  Speaker 5: How about you.
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  Speaker 3: I had a pretty good day actually, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: So I spent all day running my son around. He's
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  Speaker 3: trying to organize his passport and yeah, we had a
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  Speaker 3: few problems with.
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  Speaker 5: You going overseas. You haven't told us.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's going overseas. I'm trying to organize his passport.
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  Speaker 3: But I tell you what, it was hours and hours
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  Speaker 3: of running around trying to organize.
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  Speaker 1: Next time, just ask to borrow my car. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to run.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I've actually seen your car and there wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: much different, So I don't reckon.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm running.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, that's the falcon you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: A physically healthy actress with a self described embarrassment of
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  Speaker 3: riches begs a court to let her die should her
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  Speaker 3: quest be approved. The Victorian government cuts law and order
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  Speaker 3: programs by a billion dollars as the state's crime rate
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  Speaker 3: continues to surge. And what do you make of moves
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  Speaker 3: to ban airport lounges from serving.
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  Speaker 2: Alcohol before morning flights.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a triumph for public health or is it
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  Speaker 3: a cruel and unusual punishment for anyone who's boarding pass
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  Speaker 3: says Row forty three seat b But first, preschool teachers
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  Speaker 3: in Wales that have been told to watch out for
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  Speaker 3: bigotry amongst the toddlers in their care.
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  Speaker 2: Kindy teachers have been told to call.
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  Speaker 3: Nine nine nine if they suspect a racist incident has
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  Speaker 3: taken place, and to record details of any interaction between tots,
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  Speaker 3: presumably between nap time and snack time that could potentially
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  Speaker 3: be a hate crime. To assist in this noble mission,
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  Speaker 3: childcare centers have been issued taxpayer funded guidance on how
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  Speaker 3: to transform their nurseries into fully compliant anti racist environments.
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  Speaker 3: Childcare centers are being advised to and I quote make
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  Speaker 3: sure your anti racist stance is visible in your displays, celebrations,
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  Speaker 3: po welcome boards, publicity snacks, books, music, role play, dress ups, toys,
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  Speaker 3: and other resources. The guidance comes from a government funded organization,
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  Speaker 3: of course, called diversity and anti racist professional learning. It's
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  Speaker 3: part of the Welsh government's commitment to make Wales an
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  Speaker 3: anti racist nation by twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was actually looking up this anti racist
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  Speaker 4: thing and it's a plan where librarians have been told
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  Speaker 4: to challenge quote the paradigm of whiteness.
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  Speaker 5: So that just sort of sets up.
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  Speaker 4: The same my least favorite paradigm, right, my least favorite paradigm.
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  Speaker 4: So are we seriously suggesting that children could be possibly
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  Speaker 4: criminals before they even learn their ABC's Is this where
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  Speaker 4: we're actually going? I was having a look at the
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  Speaker 4: criteria which would meet a racist threshold.
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  Speaker 5: It says, is this a racist incident?
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  Speaker 4: And then one of the answers is yes, take relevant
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  Speaker 4: action in conjunction with local police, ensuring you record all
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  Speaker 4: the details of the incident. Are we seriously at that
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  Speaker 4: point in Wales? Look, this is just absolutely ridiculous, especially
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  Speaker 4: like us. There's such a youth crime crisis going over
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  Speaker 4: I'm going on in Britain right now that if you're
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  Speaker 4: going to go after youths, maybe have a look at
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  Speaker 4: the youth crime crisis, not going after toddlers. Were they
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  Speaker 4: going to say the difference between black and white of racist.
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  Speaker 5: That's racist.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're actually going after youth crime, but going
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  Speaker 1: straight to the source. They're getting their youth when they're
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  Speaker 1: two or three years old, now earlier, try and resist
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  Speaker 1: a arrest.
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  Speaker 3: Train midwives to look for bigotry, and Milbourne will develop
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  Speaker 3: an ultrasound in the wood.
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  Speaker 4: If the kid is born with no hair, that's then
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  Speaker 4: that must be racist.
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  Speaker 1: I love I love how they say they've got their goal,
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  Speaker 1: though they've got the timelines. We're going to be racism free.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty third is like net zero racism, and so I
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  Speaker 1: just I can't wait until. Quite frankly, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: until twenty thirty one, because you'll be driving along down
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  Speaker 1: to Cardiff, you know, and you'll see the sign I'll say,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Wales Racism Freeze.
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  Speaker 5: Because of the paradigm.
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  Speaker 1: They could have one of those things I remember they
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  Speaker 1: have one of those things like at the ambos or
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  Speaker 1: the office where you have your number of days without
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  Speaker 1: without races, a number of days without a racist interest.
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  Speaker 1: It's back to zero again. Someone brought their white paradigm
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  Speaker 1: into the office.
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  Speaker 3: This guidance goes beyond looking for bigotry between toddlers preschool
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  Speaker 3: teachers have been asked to conduct an audit of themselves
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  Speaker 3: to see whether or not they understand their white privilege.
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  Speaker 3: They've been advised that, and I'm quoting here, toilet practices
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  Speaker 3: vary across cultures. They may be very different from your own,
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  Speaker 3: but it doesn't make them unsanitary or incorrect.
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  Speaker 2: So they're being.
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  Speaker 3: Advised to exercise tolerance when it comes to different ways
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  Speaker 3: kids might have in terms of going to the toilet.
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  Speaker 3: And they've also been asked to conduct a risk assessment
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  Speaker 3: for I would have called them minority staff members, but
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  Speaker 3: they call them members of the global majority, to see
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  Speaker 3: whether or not they will be safe during a time
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  Speaker 3: of unprecedented political turmoil. So I would think preschool teachers
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  Speaker 3: have got enough going on without doing all.
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  Speaker 5: They're also toddlers, for goodness, say, but also when you
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  Speaker 5: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: The understaff titles, they're members of a global majority, clearly.
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  Speaker 4: But when you're talking about unsanitary toilet practices, it is
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  Speaker 4: not racist to say, look, look, we need to improve
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  Speaker 4: the hygiene.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with that. Is that racist?
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  Speaker 2: Well, according to the guidelines that look, this is.
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  Speaker 4: This is ideological poisoning of children's brains.
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  Speaker 5: This just goes too far. This is now ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: One of the problems I would see here is is
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  Speaker 3: it would be very easy to misinterpret normal, playful childhood
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  Speaker 3: behavior as somehow you've crossed a line, you've entered into racism.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a problem, And it also undermines the
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  Speaker 3: relationship between parents and staff, does it not. When you
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  Speaker 3: check little Johnny into his preschool and the teacher is
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  Speaker 3: not just there to you know, help educate him and
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  Speaker 3: play games, but also to watch and observe and to
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  Speaker 3: report to police any comments little Johnny makes, it could
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  Speaker 3: be considered questionable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the first thing I mean, and this is why
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  Speaker 1: it is so realiots you have to wonder whether the
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  Speaker 1: people who have designed these things even had children, let
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  Speaker 1: alone work with them. Firstly, as soon as you say
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  Speaker 1: keep an eye out for this, you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: it everywhere, and you're going to be so you will
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  Speaker 1: be finding racism in everything. Inevitably, the whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: going to be swamped with complaints, and it will be
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  Speaker 1: the most insufferable people who complain the most, and so
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  Speaker 1: that will suck up all of the resources. And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: you know someone's probably going to stick their head in
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  Speaker 1: a microwave and not be noticed because everyone's too busy
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  Speaker 1: looking for racism around the place. But the second thing
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  Speaker 1: is is that kids will instantly pick up on these
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  Speaker 1: things and they will use that as a way to
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  Speaker 1: get the results they want you in any other circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, I know from you know, my kids
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  Speaker 1: at primary school, kindergarten, whatever, they're super aware of the racism,
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  Speaker 1: and so of course anything they don't like anytime they
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  Speaker 1: get told off, miss that's racist, you're being racist. Myths
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  Speaker 1: you can't do that. They're very cheeky, they're very clever
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  Speaker 1: the way they use it. Or of course they will do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, using his excuse for any bad behavior. If
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  Speaker 1: their bad behavior is ever criticized, or if they're in
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  Speaker 1: a conflict with any other kids in the school ground,
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  Speaker 1: they know they can just say, oh, you're being racist,
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly that's it. And so you actually now have
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  Speaker 1: and I've seen, you know, I know from blo kids
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  Speaker 1: at school, there have been situations where the teachers are
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  Speaker 1: now having just it's like a star chamber. The teachers
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  Speaker 1: are now having is like no, no, no, I'm not racist.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you to know, shut up and do
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  Speaker 1: your work.
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  Speaker 5: Because everyone's panicked.
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  Speaker 4: Now, the other point I would make is kids do
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  Speaker 4: say the dunnest things, right. You know a kid will say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: he's bald, he's black. Does that Is that going to
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  Speaker 4: constitute racism?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you've met my kids. I've got to
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  Speaker 3: adopt a Ethiopian sons. Joe was about four years old,
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  Speaker 3: I think maybe three. You got into bed one morning
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  Speaker 3: he said, Daddy, we're not the same. I said, what
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  Speaker 3: do you mean? He said, I'm chocolate? I said what
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  Speaker 3: am I? He goes, hmm, you're vanilla? Is that racist?
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  Speaker 5: Well you should call that nine? Was it nine to
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  Speaker 5: nine to nine?
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  Speaker 3: If I was in Wales, that's the emergency number nine
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  Speaker 3: and report a hate incident?
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  Speaker 5: And no you also, yeah, call police as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well it was a hate incident. When we went
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  Speaker 3: to the beach, I got sunburned. He said, Dad, you're
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  Speaker 3: not vanilla, your strawberry. I felt like that that was vilification.
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  Speaker 1: So between you all, you could be a carton of Neapolitan.
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  Speaker 2: Ice cream exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, see that that is the rainbow that I think
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  Speaker 1: we need to see more of.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, do you at all at home, like a
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  Speaker 4: pre holiday pint.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when you rock up to the airport, you're
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  Speaker 5: all excited.
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  Speaker 4: To board your flight and you go get I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to reward myself before my holiday. I'm going to order
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  Speaker 4: a beer, even if it is at six am or
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  Speaker 4: seven am. Well, the CEO of Ryanair, which is a
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  Speaker 4: budget character carrier over in the UK and Europe, it
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  Speaker 4: flies those little short flights, he wants the pre flight
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  Speaker 4: pint at six or seven am to be banned because
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  Speaker 4: he says that there are too many passengers being booted
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  Speaker 4: off flights because they are absolutely drunk. Michael O'Leary says, quote,
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  Speaker 4: I fail to understand why anybody in airport bars.
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  Speaker 5: Is serving people at.
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  Speaker 4: Five or six o'clock in the morning. Who needs to
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  Speaker 4: be drinking beer at that time?
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  Speaker 5: Well, clearly, Michael, you.
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  Speaker 1: Never met my family.
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  Speaker 4: Michael O'Leary's never never had a pint, clearly at six
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  Speaker 4: am in the morning. Look, I agree in that if
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  Speaker 4: and I think this is standard practice across all airlines.
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  Speaker 4: If you are indeed plasted, you should not be allowed
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  Speaker 4: on the flight, And if you have caused a rucus
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  Speaker 4: on said flight, then you should never be allowed to
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  Speaker 4: fly with that carrier again, I think that that should
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  Speaker 4: be an automatic ban because he says that the go
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  Speaker 4: he has to dive. They have to divert almost one
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  Speaker 4: aircraft a day because of bad behavior by passengers. So
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  Speaker 4: why don't you start enforcing rules and just let the British.
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  Speaker 5: Tradition go roll on for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 4: I just think, you know, we can't ban things because
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  Speaker 4: of the behavior of a small number of people, because
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  Speaker 4: then if we start going down that route, that we're
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  Speaker 4: going to start banning everything for goodness.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm with you on this.
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  Speaker 3: However, one flight a week diverted because of unruly passengers,
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  Speaker 3: that's all they Betha.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest. The flights that are being diverted are
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  Speaker 4: to Betha.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so, if you're plastered before the flight takes off,
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  Speaker 3: you should not be allowed on the flight. Clearly, if
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  Speaker 3: you're exhibiting signs of intoxication on the flight, they should
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  Speaker 3: stop serving you. But what about this, Joe, Should you
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  Speaker 3: be allowed to drink alcohol if you're sitting in the
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  Speaker 3: exit row?
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  Speaker 1: M A. Absolutely, because you're going to be the one
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  Speaker 1: who sees all the flames lapping up at the window
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  Speaker 1: first and has to have the Dutch courage to actually
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  Speaker 1: open the thing and get everybody out there. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely that those are the people who should, without a
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  Speaker 1: doubt be the drunkest, because otherwise I just go It's.
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  Speaker 3: Not the answer I was expecting. But then again, I
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  Speaker 3: did ask you. That's you to come back to me,
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  Speaker 3: so serves you, right. I think firstly, in the airports,
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  Speaker 3: there is no such thing as time. The normal rules
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  Speaker 3: of time simply do not apply. So it is the
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  Speaker 3: only place where you can have a drink in the
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  Speaker 3: morning and not get you know, funny looks, as I
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  Speaker 3: found out the hard way.
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  Speaker 1: And it is also and there's also I think like
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  Speaker 1: it's a time honored ritual, isn't it. It's like people
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  Speaker 1: if they're a bit worried about flying or whatever, or
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  Speaker 1: you just I mean, it's ryan air, for the love
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  Speaker 1: of God, It's not going to be the most comfortable
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  Speaker 1: flight of your life. I think these are the guys
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  Speaker 1: who did it, who launched inquiry into whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you could do flights with standing room only sort of
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  Speaker 1: just holding onto a strap or just leaning against a
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  Speaker 1: bench like a metro. Yeah, so there's a super so
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  Speaker 1: you know you're going to want And I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: if I'm misremembered, but I think there was also a
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  Speaker 1: talk about whether or not you needed toilets on flights,
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  Speaker 1: because hey, we don't have toilets on buses or commuter
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  Speaker 1: trains or metros, so why do we have them on
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  Speaker 1: flights now? If you're going to get rid of the toilets,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, maybe ban the pints before you take off.
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  Speaker 1: But failing that, it's a pretty cattle class experience. You
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  Speaker 1: probably want as much anesthesia and aesthesia as you could get,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Like, I've flown right there quite a few times.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the best, but who cares when you're on
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  Speaker 4: such a short flight?
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  Speaker 1: Who cares if you're pasted?
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  Speaker 4: If I'm off to the Greek Islands, I'm in a
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  Speaker 4: bloody great mood. I don't care what carrier it is.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just ready to launch.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have pre flight drinks? Do you get in
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  Speaker 1: the airport bar? And six?
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  Speaker 4: I don't drink, but I do agree with your point
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  Speaker 4: about time because you go.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we spoke last night about Starbucks.
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  Speaker 4: The only time you'll ever find me at a Starbucks
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  Speaker 4: is when you're at the airport and I'll get the
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  Speaker 4: double frappe with all the fillings and all the the
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  Speaker 4: prappuccino brigade. But because you do it's you lose all
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  Speaker 4: sense of time and you end up just eating rubbish.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, yolo, as the young people say, you
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  Speaker 4: only live once.
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  Speaker 5: I want to looking at me ever ever say that
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  Speaker 5: ever again?
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  Speaker 1: I want to buy thirty seven dollars pint the airport then,
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  Speaker 1: damn it, that's my right.
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  Speaker 2: How many flights have been diverted because of your behavior?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've said yolo.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I want to get your thoughts on a
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  Speaker 3: model who was part of the met Gala ball the
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  Speaker 3: other night. This is transgendered, disabled black model Aaron Rose Philip,
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  Speaker 3: who incidentally is the first ever and only transgendered disabled
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  Speaker 3: black model to have a major modeling contract and has
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  Speaker 3: modeled on catwalks for different fashion labels.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron, as he himself.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he says that the reason there's not more models
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  Speaker 3: like him is because whiteness have a listen.
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  Speaker 6: The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black, transfeminine,
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  Speaker 6: and or physically disabled models to do runway, editorial or
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  Speaker 6: campaign because of an absence of whiteness.
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  Speaker 1: You know what she was. If she had grown up
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  Speaker 1: in a Welsh nursery with an anti racism campaign, think
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  Speaker 1: about how well her life could have turned out. This
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  Speaker 1: is why we need action on racism, James.
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  Speaker 3: Is it really because there's an absence of whiteness in
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  Speaker 3: these spaces or is it just because blacks represent thirteen
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  Speaker 3: percent of the population in the US, So naturally there's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be many black models. Wheelchair wheelchair bound
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  Speaker 3: people represent one percent of the population in the US,
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  Speaker 3: so a black person in a wheelchair, and then if
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  Speaker 3: you add trans to that as well, there's just not
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  Speaker 3: a huge market for people like this to be modeling fashion.
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  Speaker 3: It's not discrimination, it's it's market forces.
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  Speaker 2: Is it not?
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  Speaker 4: Well, what I would say is sex cells part in
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  Speaker 4: the pun, part of the pun on this one.
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  Speaker 5: Sex cells. Now, I'm going to be completely blunt.
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  Speaker 4: If there was a bloke in a magazine wearing a
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  Speaker 4: dress promoting such said said outfit, I wouldn't buy it.
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  Speaker 4: I will not buy a dress when a bloke is
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  Speaker 4: wearing trying to sell it to me.
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  Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of blokes wearing dresses at the
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  Speaker 3: met gala the other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that doesn't sell. So it's got nothing to
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  Speaker 4: do with whiteness. Again, this rage baiting, race baiting, hullabaloo.
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  Speaker 4: We're here every five minutes. It is simple fact that
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  Speaker 4: that does not sell products. So no, you're not going
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  Speaker 4: to find trans you know, the rest of the Pilava,
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  Speaker 4: the Dei.
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  Speaker 5: Nonsense. You're not going to find that on a catwalk.
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  Speaker 5: You're not going to find that a catwalk.
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  Speaker 1: Not, that's very ablest.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I did you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I can't it be a cat that's not with everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I'm just stuck in a comment. But you
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  Speaker 4: know it's true that that does not sell. It doesn't sell.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to buy a dress when a man's
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  Speaker 4: wearing it in a magazine.
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  Speaker 5: Please.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think although the fashion industry has been very
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: progressive and forward thinking when it comes to it, like
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: they were the first to put men in dresses. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: think they invented meggings, which was men's leggings, but I
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: remember meggs. Meggings. Have you not heard of meggings? No,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: men's leggings. Have you worn it's meggis? No? But they
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: did the Daily Telegraph did want me to put on
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: a pair and then wander up and down the streets
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of Penrith to see what happened. I said, I'll tell you.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's happen tonight.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm not going to do it in
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a million years. Anyway. That was a quite of any
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: bright ideas by a former editor who's no longer with us.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: So just tell me that the comments by Aaron, what
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: do you make of it?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Is this just look at me, look at me?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron has been modeling for about seven years now,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: so this is not a new gig for him. But
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: is this just a way of garnering some attention at
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the met gala where a lot of other celebrities were
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: getting attention.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I'd not heard of Aaron until Aaron made these cops.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: So I just feel like there's a very a victim
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: narrative on the left and they've always got something to
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: winge about, always got some story.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: That's their currency. Is it not that's.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Rights, but that's what they do that And especially if
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: you are black, it's like I feel like they think
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: that the world's against them, when the reality is is
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: that no one cares, No one cares.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: But also, if you are the only it's like the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: only day of the village for a little britten, isn't it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not gear. But if you are the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: only black, trans disabled, wheelchair bound, wheelchair bound? Was there
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: another one model? Why would you want another one? Why
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to just soak up that whole market yourself?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine there's that many jobs out there.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Surely you should be going non get out of get
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: out of here. I'm taking that one, thank.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: You space for myself.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, make it rain, Make it rain, my friend.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Come on, think, think, think, think, Look, let's change pace
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: a little bit. A Canadian actress who has been considered
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: to be healthy physically and mentally, she has admitted quote
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: she has an embarrassment of riches and is now begging
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: a court to allow her to die via assisted suicide
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: because she says that she has a crippling mental illness.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: This is Claire Brossu. She's forty nine years old, a
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Montreal based actress. She has appeared in dozens of movies,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: and she said that she hasn't left home in months
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: because of severe bipolar and post traumatic disorders, she said,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm just going to read this quote.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: It's unbearable.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Every morning I wake up, I don't think I'm going
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: to make it through the day. She said that she
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: was forced to seek assisted suicide when she failed multiple
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: past attempts to end her life, but now she's pushing
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: a court over in Canada to allow her to die
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: despite the fact that she has.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Been deemed physically healthy.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I have a few look, I am a supporter of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: assisted suicide.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I'm all for euthanasia. However, I am only pro euthanasia
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: for people who are cripplingly, cripplingly ill, like they are
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: terminal ill. They are in pain every single day because
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: they can't talk, they can't walk, they have severe severe
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: illnesses or diseases. They are going to die anyway, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: they just cannot live out the last couple of months
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: or twelve months of their life.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I support that fully.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I do not support it if you have been deemed healthy,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: that is absolute nonsense. And in this case, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: she says that she's got mental health orders. Go and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: seek help, Go and seek assistance, Get the right people
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: around you so they where you can get better and
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: improve your quality of life. You are physically healthy, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you should enjoy your time on this earth if you
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: have been deemed healthy, because there are a lot of
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: people who are on their deathbeds that are desperate to
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: diet for that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Reason, I disagree completely. I think you cannot be pro euthanasia.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But then say, but I'm going to pick and choose
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: which euthanasia I'm pro? Why not the other?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Very simply because firstly, this is what people who are
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: concerned about the impact of legalizing euthanasia have been warning
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: about for years and years and years, which is that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: if you say, all right, you know, own Victoria or
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: other states, there's guardrails around it. They say, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you have to have only twelve months to live, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of course no one can actually predict the future. But
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a doctor says, oh, yes, you've got less than twelve
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: months to live. Fine, Well, that's all well and good,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But what if you have something that is even more
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: debilitating and you are going to have an even lot, longer,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: more painful death. So sooner or later inevitably going to say, well,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to die anyway, but it's going to be
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: longer than twelve months, and that just means I'm going
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to suffer more. And again, my greatest fear is not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: physical suffering. When I get close to death, My greatest
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: fear is that I get Alzheimer's and that I or
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: some other brain fishing and I'm not the person I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was anymore. My family doesn't recognize me, my kids doesn't
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: recognize me. To me, imagining that is a fate worse
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: than death, and it would be a fate worse than
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: death because it would hurt them even more that it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: would hurt me. So if I was going to embrace euthanasia,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it would be in the case of having lost my
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: mental capacity. But of course, if I've lost my mental capacity,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: how can I possibly that, how can I possibly consent
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to it? And so again, it just creates these things
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: over and over again. So if you speak to someone
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like Claire Brosseil, right, she's forty nine, she's Misswill and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: lots of people with bipolar and severe bipolar, and I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: know how difficult it is. I don't think it's fair
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, yes, okay, I support euthanasia if it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: for a physical ailment, But if it's for a mental
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ailment where you are so tormented that you are trying
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to kill yourself time and time again, and you know
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that you're going to wake up every morning for thirty
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: years and start and start to think about how you
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: can do it again. I simply don't understand how you can.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: You know, say, oh, I know it's fine if you've
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: got terminal cancer and you can't feel a thing because
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you're on morphine every day. But it's not fine if
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you're undergoing an absolutely living hell that you know you
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: are going to suffer for decades and decades.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Joe.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: That's that's the point that she has made, and that's
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the basis of her threatened legal action, is that she
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: is being discriminated against because people are saying physical ailment
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that's fine, but a mental ailment no, you're not.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Allowed to access bad.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: She says, well, who are you to discriminate against me
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and tell me that my.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Pin that's right is somehow less either.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: All life is precious, and you do not I.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Should know that Canadian euthanasia law has not outright banned
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: euthanasia for mental illness.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: US.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: What they've done is they've said, and they've said this
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: number of times now, we're going to delay making approval
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of it, and they keep pushing the delay on and on,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: so at the moment there's no approval for euthanasia with
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: regards mental illness until March next year, when it will
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: be considered again, so you know, they make up the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: rules as they go. I agree with Joe. The underlying
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: principle is is it ever right for the state to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: assist somebody in taking their own life? If you answer yes,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: well then everything else is just.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's detailed or you're not pro I have massive problems
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: with it. I know that it happens all the time
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: informally anyway, and I'm very comfortable with that doctors making
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: these decisions on the quiet. I'm deeply, deeply uncomfortable for
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: exactly this reason, with it being codified in legislation where
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you set up under what circumstances someone can die and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: someone can be assisted to die, Because as soon as
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you do that, as sure as the sun rises in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the east and sets in the west, that that category
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: is going to expand and expand and expand. An want
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about bipolar.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I get that, No, I understand that it will expect
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I just still feel like the only reason why you
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: would want to that you should be allowed to take
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: a drug or whatever to go to sleep. Is when
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you are literally on your deathbed already.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But that's the whole point, because that's all that's all
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: ready death bed. It doesn't matter. It's who are you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to decide for her? If you've already said But if
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you've already said, but this is the thing, if you've
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: already said, I'll give my consent or my support for
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: someone to die in this circumstance, but not my support
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: for someone to die. I just don't think that circumstances.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Look, I am pro euthanasia. I just don't think we
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: can just hand it out willing nearly. There has to
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: be a strong criteria otherwise every man and their dog
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: are going to sign up to it. And I am
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: very pro proe but obviously under the strictest of conditions.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: That's that's that's all I can with that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It's not alleviating the suffering that that people it's proponents say.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It's there to allievia.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: But if a doctor has said that you are physically healthy,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: then the to me you get crossed off the list.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: You've reduced that you've reduced the into quality of life.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: But if you are on your deathbeat.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So quality of life, so any mental illness, any brain
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: damage illness.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: You are on your deathbed because you are you are
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: so so ill and you.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Are literally going to die.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And a doctor says, I can't die from a illness
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: unless you kill yourself, which is what that's true.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: But I would trust a doctor's perspective in this, in
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: cases like this, and also them in the steps for euthanasia,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: they're very, very strict. You have to go through a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: lot of pro You don't just rock up one day
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: and get it, you know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I just think I would. I would trust a doctor's opinion.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The doctors. There are pro choice doctors and there are
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: anti euthanasia doctors. This is the thing I like to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: just say. It's a doctor like.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: What and just just to just to before we move on.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Lifeline is available for anybody who needs it. Help is
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: available thirteen eleven fourteen or find support at www dot
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: lifeline dot org dot AU.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about budgets, because of course, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: federal budget's about to be handed down. The Victorian budget
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: has just come out and they have slashed spending on
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: law and order by a billion dollars over the next
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: couple of years. Seven hundred million dollars next year will
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: be cut from Lauren Orris order spending at a time
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: when the crime rate continues to surge. So this would
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: be proof to Victorian voters all over again, as if
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: they needed it, that the government's really not that serious
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: about the things that matter. Eighty five percent of Victorians
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: are saying crime is the number one issue that they
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: have right now to determine their vote, and yet the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: government is cutting spending on law and order as crime
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: rates continue to climb.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: The great irony in this, of course.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Is that people will probably vote labor anyway, So try
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and understand all of that. But this is a government
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that spent thirteen million dollars you remember on Maschetti amnesty bins.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Now they need Jerrycan amnesty bins because of all the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: fires that are being lit at nightclubs. It just goes
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to show they had thirteen million dollars to spend when
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: they thought it would be good publicity and a good
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: photo opportunity for just Center Allen. But now that they're
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: handing down their budget, there's not much money left in
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the coffers. All of a sudden, they're cutting programs, left,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: right and center. It's just more evidence that Victoria desperately
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: needs a change of government.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Of all the programs to cut crime.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: When crime is at peak levels in Victoria, youth crime
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: is spiraling out of control. And all I can put
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: it down to is because Justinto Allen once told everybody
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: in the state that Melbourne is safe.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So that you don't tell that time.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Then take your word, word, take your word.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: You don't need any money, no money required, no funding
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: for police, no police on the beat.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Everything is safe. Look if you.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Were a Melbournian right now who are dealing with crime,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: there are so many victims of crimes going on right now.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: You see the CCTV vision every night on the news.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: It is horrific, these masked bandits going in carjackings, home invasions,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: old people being terrorized.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't you be really angry right now.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: To know that there's not even going to be any
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: funding in already a debt laden budget to try and
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: solve crime in this state. And the only solution, as
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you said, James, is a machete bin.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, the uncanny thing is that the seven
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: hundred million they're cutting from their public order and safety
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: budget is almost exactly the seven hundred men something million
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: surplus that they're desperately trying to get to that line alone.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Funny how two.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So perfectly, including the sort of fidd league with the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: giant for decade lottery contract that's strangely kind of front
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: end loaded so as to balance the budget ahead of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: an election. That's amazing. I mean, it's arguably the smartest
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: thing she's ever done.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Well, let's yeah, well, who knows.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Now you might remember the two thousand and seven disappearance
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of Madeleine McCann will now a German suspect by the
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: name of Christian Bruckeiner. He cannot be extradited to Britain.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Would you believe to face trial because of Brexit? I mean,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: you can't make this stuff up. That's according to German officials.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: A German government spokesperson told the UK Telegraph the country
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: could not extradite criminal suspects to non EU countries under
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: strict rules in its post war constitution. Asked whether Brexit
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: in effect blocked the UK from extraditing sub suspects such
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: as this man, the spokesman said, yes.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: That's the case.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: The disclosure raises fears that Bruckena will never face justice
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: in Britain over Madeline, despite a renewed push by the
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Metropolitan Police to secure this extradition. Now I'm not a mathematician,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: but Brega that happened in two thousand and twenty and
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Madeleine McCann went missing in tand and seven, so that
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: timeline in effect doesn't add up. And are we actually
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: saying that a German, for example, can go to the UK,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: allegedly commit a crime, then go back to Germany but
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: never face any prosecution.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Because of where she disappeared in Portugal.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Portugal in two thousand and seven.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter when the crime has commit matters when
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this guy was arrested so Germany. So he was arrested Germany,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Germany has it doesn't matter. It doesn't just matters where
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it's at now, like when they try to get the correction.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So, which is what I don't understand. Why don't they give.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: The evidence to the Portugal authorities issue a warrant for
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: his arrest in Portugal where there is an extradition treaty
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: with Germany, So they send him from Germany the Portugal
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: and he faces trial there.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. The McCanns or the British more generally
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have the highest degree of faith in the Portuguese authorities.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: They bugged it up already the history of the case.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But this is the this is the weird thing that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't know until I read this story. So under
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the German constitution, no German may be extradited to a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: foreign country, except for EU member states or international courts
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: such as the Hay Going to international courts probably handy,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in Nuremberg. But surely how does
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Germany just get to say, especially with its history, get
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to say I know no other country basically that isn't
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: part of the EU. Can we won't extradite to anyone?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: How do we not get to go like, how long
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: has this been going? What happened, what happened after World
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: War one and two? As Norm MacDonald said, how come
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world and say, hey, Germany, you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: don't get to be a country no more like and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you certainly don't get to say, oh, I know any
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: criminals who happen to be here, We're not going to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: extradite them.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: That's called sovereignty. You're criminal else to the side where
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: they do it, don't go.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It was national socialism before it was national sovereignty.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: He says it in the constitution. No German may be
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: extradited to a foreign country.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: That's extraordinary. That just doesn't happen anywhere else.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it depends on like most countries have all sorts
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of extradition deals with like minded countries, like we would
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: have an extradition deal with say the UK, for example,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: or various other countries that we cooperate, even with Indonesia.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: The Bali nine found that out the hard way. But
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: in terms of sharing information and you can, and there's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: other countries where you can sort of apply and sometimes
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: treat on a case by case basis. I remember there
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was a big thing with the UK where Pinochet went there.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile, went to the UK
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and there was a big who or do you go
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to Spain? And then Spain tried to get him extradited
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: from the UK to Spain And that was a big
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: big in the national who art. But the point b
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: every other country that I can think of, any other,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: every other Western country has a whole sort of network
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: in place.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Germany could they could they extradite him from Germany to
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Portugal and then from Portugal to the.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: UK possibly and that might have arrangement between.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Portugal and the UK. Do it that way to get him?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, this was the argument raised by Juliana Sange.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: When we were trying to get him back from Sweden.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: They were saying, well no, or the UK. Sorry, so no,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: we can't be We can't let him out in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: UK because then he could be extradited to the US,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: because the US and the UK have an extradition.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Police, they extraride him from Germany to Portugal, then Portuguese
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: hand him over to the Britain.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: The Germans well, no, we refuse to do that because
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: if that was if we extrade him to Portugal, then
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that could and I don't know what Portugal deal is,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and he goes to the UK, then that is in
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: effect us extraditing to another country, which so you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: back to go and you start all over again. Weird
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that Germany have given its in anieth century history, gets
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to pick and choose who it plays ball with. In
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: terms of international law again, the Nuremberg Trials started international law.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: That was the very beginning because a whole bunch of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Germans did really, really, really bad things like how are they.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, exactly suddenly all right, before we go to
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: a break.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about deep fakes and
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the damage they do, particularly when it comes to deep
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: fake nudes and so on to try to ruin people's reputation.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Politicians are among the victims of deep fakes, no less
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: than Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. She's undertaken a different
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: way of dealing with deep fakes. She's decided to publish
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the deep fake that was made of her in Lingerie
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: with the following message she wrote. In these days, several
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: fake photos of me are circulating, generated with artificial intelligence
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and passed off as real by some zealous opponent. I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: must admit whoever created them, at least in the attached case,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: has also improved me quite a bit. But the fact
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: remains that just to attack and invent falsehoods nowadays, anything
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: at all is used.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: The point, however, goes beyond me.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Deep fakes are a dangerous tool because they can deceive, manipulate,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and strike anyone. I can defend myself, many others cannot.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: For this reason, one rule should always apply verify before believing,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: and believe before sharing, because today it happens to me,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow it can happen to anyone. And the Italian Prime
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Minister has been widely applauded for that approach, confronting this
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: head on, and I think she's dealt with it very
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: very well.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I like the headline on the photo fotol Falsa, I
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: absolutely love it. Look it is a problem though. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: mean we've spoken about deep fakes before. There would be
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: people who would think that that is real if they
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: couldn't tell the difference, and they would go, I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: that's inappropriate. I am therefore not going to vote for her.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: So I think that she did have to make that
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: statement to be honest, but you know, she's a classy woman.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Surely they would have thought better of that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I agreed with you right up until the second part
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of your statement where they said I'm not going to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: vote for it. I think unrelated news approval ratings for
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Jorgia Mollenium just eighty seven.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Percent conservative Italians who would be like, that's really inappropriate.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: And I would know that because I've got Italian hair.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Resourcial discuss I'm pretty sure you did too.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: All right when you go to a break. When we
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow. Jim
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Chalmers to roll out COVID era tax relief for business,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the Victorian government approves a massive gas project.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: All of that more after the break.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, lots of stories to get through when we look
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: at the papers now, So the nick will start with
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the Australian.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers making news again tomorrow.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, more little budget sweeteners, previews coming out, Lost and
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: found a COVID fix. Would you believe Jim Chalmers is
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: planning to roll out a COVID era business tax relief proposal,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: allowing companies to reduce their tax retrospectively in a move
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: that aims to lift productivity growth and save investment from crashing.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: As forecast by the RBA, The Australian understands the Albanese
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: government will offer two years of loss carry back, under
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: which businesses sorry my eyesight, which businesses.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Lost carry back? My favorite country in Western band.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Businesses can reduce previous year's profits and the amount of
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: tax they paid, leading to refunds from the Australian taxation offers.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: When the policy was used during the COVID. Here the
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: refunds were estimated to be as much as five billion dollars.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So basically, you can take the profit that you declared
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: because obviously companies only paid tech tax on profit. Although
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we're ABRICI c to have some difficulty in but companies
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: pay tax on profit obviously, not on the revenue. So
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: companies can actually go back, reach back in time and say, actually,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three, twenty four or twenty four to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: twenty five or whatever, we're going to revise down the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: profit that we actually made because we're looking down the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: barrel of you being wiped out or having all these
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: super high costs or negative profit here. So we're going
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to reduce that down there, and then you get a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: tax refund for the tax that you've already paid based
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: on the higher profit. Does that makes sense, Yeah, it
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, So you can retrospectively write down the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: profit that you've already paid tax on, and so you
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: get a refund for what you've paid, which then is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a sort of safety net or a little you know,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a buffer for the hard times you have ahead.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact is business needs it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, does this apply to all businesses or is there
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: a criterion in terms of size of business?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And joined Danika with the microscope.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Really print, I mean the number of small businesses. If
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you're going to the wall right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: All of them. I'm pretty sure it's all of them.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Is a huge worry. So I imagine this.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Would apply to all businesses and it's greatly needed.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't seem to say it doesn't.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Does that seem to say?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But I must say, have to take that question on.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: When I read COVID, I thought, oh shut it hit
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: a shutter every time you hear the word COVID. Also
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: on the front page claims of slavery. As the ISIS
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: thirteen return Australia, Federal Police officers have interviewed at least
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: one woman who claims to have been kept as a
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: slave in Syria by the husband and father of three
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: ISIS linked women returning to Australia on Thursday afternoon. Four
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Australian born Isis brides and their nine children are due
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: to land in Sydney and Melbourne on cut Our Airways
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: flights from Doha, with AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett warning some
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: members of the group would be arrested They include former
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Sydney nursing student Jenaia Safa and her son Melbourne, grandmother Kawasaabus,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: her adult daughters Zara and Zanab, and their respected children. Look, sorry,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: no sympathy again. If you leave Australia to go join
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: the deaf cult, then you've betrayed our values.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: So I know you should not.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I hope all these women get arrested because they do
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: not deserve to come back into this free, freedom loving country.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: What the story highlights is you've got people already here
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: who fled Syria to get away from Islamists who were
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: treating them terribly. We've got this woman police have interviewed
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: who now says she was kept as a slave by
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: one of the families, the wife of whom is returning
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to this country. Could you imagine how she would be
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: feeling that these people are coming back to this country. Ye,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: so much for the government's promise that you know, citizenry
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: safety is top of mind all the time.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Well, they keep saying that, no, it has nothing to
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: do with us. They're always one step beside stepping in.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that's not true though exactly.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Remember we know that Jamal Riefi is one of Tony
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Birk's mates.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: All right, the front page of the Northern Territory News.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: With all of the commotion that's been going on in
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Ellis Springs over the past number of days, there's still
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: not much good news coming out of Ella Springs. But
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: this photograph I think will warm the hearts of a
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: lot of people when they look at their papers tomorrow.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Policemen in viral image reveals raw emotion of poignant moment
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: as grief and anger over little girl's alleged murders into
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the streets of Ellis Springs. This image cut through the chaos,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: a police officer an Indigenous woman embracing the raw emotion
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of the moment etched on their faces. And when you
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: get the Northern Territory News tomorrow you can read Ben's skeen.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: He's the police officer.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I think he's been the police force six years and
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: he talks about that night and how the Indigenous woman
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: pictured there on the front page came up to him
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: very distraught and his immediate reaction was to put his
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: arm around her. And I think she said words to
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: the effect she just wanted things to settle down, and
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: he replied to the effect that's what I want to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: and they stood there together. He shielded her from some
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: of the writing that was going on, And it's a
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: photograph that I think will fill people with hope that
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: perhaps there could be unity in Elie Springs and people
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: could come together rather than be pulled further apart by
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the events of the last couple of years.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I just think it goes to show just the job
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: that police do. You know, they're not only just putting
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: themselves on the front line, but when you see this,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: they're human too. You know, they're out there to comfort people.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: So I think this is a very very strong picture.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Well, ironically, given some of the frustrations shall we say
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to put it ephimistically directed against police comes after revelations
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that in fact the police were shouting from the rooftops
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and were warning the Department of Community Services, the protection
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Department in the NT that poor baby girl was in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: grave danger, living in neglect and mum's potentially a victim
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: of violence, and the department, for whatever reason, wasn't able
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to remember. So the cops have actually been really good on.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: This as well.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Anyway, who would have thought, and I bet you didn't
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: have this on your twenty twenty six Bingo card that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: when calls came for Australia to drill baby drill, the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: state that would actually be the first to tap into
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: our huge natural resource would be Victoria. But sure enough,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: here we go, and this story has ended up in
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the Herald Sun. No surprises there exclusive huge offshore drilling
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: project approved as VIC sees the light firing up the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: gas Matt Johnson, a huge new gas drilling project capable
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of meeting a third of the entire states annual demand
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: has been approved. As Victoria is forced to go back
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to the future to avoid an energy supply crisis. The
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Allen government has given the go ahead for Amplitude Energies
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: any project in the offshore Otway basin. My uncle has
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: as a share owner of a little hippie farm in
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the Otways. There has absolutely nothing to do with anything
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: or any interest to anybody. But I just thought i'd
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: mention it, which we'll start delivering gas by twenty twenty
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: eight and move certain to infuriate the Greens. You can
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: smell the delight in the gip But why now?
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Why because an election's coming and suddenly they're going, actually.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: We don't have enough supplies for ourselves up.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: It's a bit like the renewables only fair to see
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: we can't keep the light really now they're going we
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: are absolutely screwed when it comes to gas, so conveniently
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: just before an election.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: The irony is their policies put the state in a
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: position where they are absolutely stuffed if they don't do this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: So now they do this and they want credit for it. Yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: they should get numb.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: That should get absolutely.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: It's a good decision, but they should never have had
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: to be in a position to get to that where
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: this is news exactly.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And let's take a look at the Courier mail a
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: bit of a saucy one and affair to forguers two
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: chris a Fully. Government ministers have contradicted Premier David Chris
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: of Fooley's assurances that he did not know about their
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: affair until after the last day election, but the Premier
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: says he only had been referring to their current relationship
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: and the previous relationship. Into extraordinary press conferences, Sports Minister
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Timmander and Child Safety Minister Amanda cam revealed that they
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: told the Premier in May twenty twenty four of an affair,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: but that it had ended.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Both said last night.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: They broke up before the twenty twenty four election, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: rekindled the relationship in June twenty twenty five.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: So the reason that this is important and it's unbelievable
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that we're even quivling about this, so they say, so,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the question is why did they not declare in the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Ministerial Code of Interests, under the Ministerial Code of Contact
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: declare as their interests that they were in a relationship
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: with each other, which you are supposed to do.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But within a month of becoming ministers.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: That's right, they needed to declare exactly right. So what
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they have come back and said is that oh, no, no, no, no,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we were having an affair before we became ministers, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: then we broke up well while we were being sworn
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in as ministers, so there was nothing to declare while
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we actually got sworn in, or after we got torn in,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: but then we had an affair again, or then we
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: got involved again, and so they were back in a relationship.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: So for the bit that they were meant to actually
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: declare it and didn't, conveniently, that is the bit where
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: they were on a break. Hey, we were on a
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: break and so now Christoph Fooley is pought in this
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: ridiculous position, whereas I to say, oh, yes, I knew
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: about the first affair, but I didn't know about the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: second affair, so everything's fine. This is just the greatest
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: story in the world. And he's going to go and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: go and go, and I promise you all not as well.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Absolute mess and I'm not sure they'll be on David
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: christ the Fully's Christmas card list. We're going to go
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: to a break when we come back. Our dope of
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: the day. I mean, vandals are dopes at the best
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of times, but this guy picked the worst time to
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: start graffitiing a war.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: We'll show you after this.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program and one of my favorite
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: segments tonight. A Brisbane graffiti artist is.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Our time the day now.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: People graffitiing public places are dopes anyway, but this guy
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: is a particular dope because he decided to do it
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a live press conference being broadcast
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: on television.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: One man particularly incensed with QR hurling abuse and spray
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: painting the South Brisbane station before being dragged away and
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: later arrested.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: So you've got the Queensland Transport minister giving a press conference.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: You've got all the news cameras there, and he decides
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to write graffiti on the wall directly behind the cameras,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: so he's in full view. He was there for about
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: five seconds, as he saw, before police nabbed him. He's
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: now facing one charge of willful damage, one charge of
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: public nuisance and one charge of possessing an instrument of graffiti.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Not the smartest guy in the world.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: That's in the shadows spell corrupt, but I know that
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: what's he bloody doing?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Although if he was just trying to get attention and
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: draw attention to his claims, he seems to have done
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a pretty good job anyway. Just when you thought the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Australian real estate market could not get any more ridiculous,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a house in the Gold Coast that was so riddled
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: with mold that any prospective buyers were actually banned from
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: entering it, so you couldn't even look at it, couldn't
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: even expect inspect. It has just sold for one point
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: two three five million dollars. The four bedroom Arundel home.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how relevant how many bedrooms it's got
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: is given it's going to be, it will be to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: go into any of them and probably have to be
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: having it. And when under the hammer with a strict condition,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a total ban on public inspections, it was sold sight
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: unseen that one point two to three million dollar price
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: tag is actually higher than Brisbane's average house prices.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: So you're paying money for the seven hundred and thirty
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: square meter block.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: You're paying for the block. They'll knock it down, start again,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: build some.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Beautiful properties on there. But well that's it.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Now we had a dope of the day, but I
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: reckon that this bloke should be the dope of the day.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: This is one of Greta's Gaza flow tiller activists. Of course,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: they were intercepted in Greece in waters or international waters
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: last week.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: But how to look at this guy? This is Thiago
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: a Villa.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: He was taken into custody by Israeli authorities accused of
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: being affiliated with a terrorist organization linked to Hamas. Now
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: he's got his hands behind the back, pretending that he's
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: being arrested, when well, he isn't handcuffed, he isn't being arrested,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: and in fact Israeli authorities are looking at him going
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: what on earth are you doing?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Mate?
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: It's all for show with these people.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Berg's done the same.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: They're not bright, low IQ people that go on these
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: flow tillers.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Seriously, anything to make the Israelis look bread and Greta
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Tunberg has done a similar thing.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: That's it from us. Coming up is the reader Pennehy Show, Goodnight,