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134: 2011 - A Convention Odyssey · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 9: Twenty million years ago, an ape-like creature inhabited the Earth.
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  Speaker 9: And the ape stood and became man.
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  Speaker 5: What's the matter?
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 8: I am Misty.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Jake.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 8: And we are awesome.
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  Speaker 4: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 4: from the midst of the Fright Night Film Fest slash
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  Speaker 4: Fandom Fest. And we just had a nerd room reunion.
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  Speaker 4: Revenge of the Nerds photo op or something. We did
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  Speaker 4: see Ogre go by and Booger and It was pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 7: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: It was for the people that were over there woohooing.
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  Speaker 4: They took their picture and they woohooed. It was pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 4: And I want to go take my picture with Curtis Armstrong.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so we will continue on with the geek
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  Speaker 4: activities this week.
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  Speaker 1: So, Misty, Jay, do you have joint activities?
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  Speaker 8: I think for the most part we have joint activities.
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  Speaker 8: I'll start with the one I did first myself. I've
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  Speaker 8: been watching the hell out of some Parker Lewis Can't
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  Speaker 8: Lose because, goddammit, Parker Lewis, he can't lose. He's so
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  Speaker 8: fucking awesome. I love me some Corin Nemec. I don't
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  Speaker 8: give a shit what anybody says.
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  Speaker 1: He can only lose in the rest of his career.
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  Speaker 8: Dude, for serious. Yeah, I love Parker Lewis Can't Lose.
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  Speaker 8: I love that whole fucking show. I love all, like,
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  Speaker 8: watching it and the guest appearances that are on there. Like,
• 4:03
  Speaker 8: Mila Jovovich was on. Sorry, Mila Hovovich? I can't say that.
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  Speaker 2: Jovovich.
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  Speaker 8: Whatever the fuck her name is. She was on an episode.
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  Speaker 8: I get excited.
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  Speaker 12: She was so cute.
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  Speaker 8: She was so goddamn ridiculously adorable.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of it, did it ever list it as, like,
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  Speaker 1: cute skinny chick?
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  Speaker 8: I think she had a name, but I can't remember
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  Speaker 8: what it was.
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  Speaker 1: She's freakishly tiny.
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  Speaker 8: She was so cute.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 7: But she's taller than me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's just so skinny.
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  Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 8: But, yeah, I watched the hell out of Parker Lewis.
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  Speaker 8: I love that show. I can't help it. I'm addicted.
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  Speaker 8: I love that show. I don't care what anybody says.
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  Speaker 1: Who are the other fabulous guest stars that have shown up?
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  Speaker 8: I can't remember right now. I know there's been plenty
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  Speaker 8: of them.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you mentioned one the other day, but now
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember either.
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  Speaker 8: I know one of the stars, Mickey Randall. I think
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  Speaker 8: his real name in like William is Billy something. But
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  Speaker 8: he was also in my favorite movie, Beastmaster. He played
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  Speaker 8: Dar when he was younger.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one you were dealt with.
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  Speaker 8: I can't remember his name in real life. That was
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  Speaker 8: Billy something or William.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: Jay, I saw you checking out the Captain America tattoo.
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  Speaker 4: I called that guy out earlier. I was like, that
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  Speaker 4: guy's been waiting for decades until they made a Captain
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  Speaker 4: America movie so he can walk around with, like, he bought, like,
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  Speaker 4: cases of tank tops for this summer.
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  Speaker 1: He was just like, I'm going to show this thing
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  Speaker 1: off every day. It looks all right. I'll give him credit.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a terrible tattoo.
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  Speaker 12: No, it does look good.
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  Speaker 7: It looks really good.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: But you can tell he got it a long time ago,
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  Speaker 13: before Captain America was really cool.
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  Speaker 4: And he's been waiting, because now it's like two or
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  Speaker 4: three years ago when you'd show that to people, they'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, Captain America, really?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And now, like this summer, he's the coolest dude he knows.
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  Speaker 7: He was getting that tattoo, and he goes, one day
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  Speaker 7: this is going to be awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Just wait until they option the movie again, because the
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  Speaker 4: last one didn't go over that well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, back to your story.
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  Speaker 8: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: What else besides Parker?
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  Speaker 8: Me and Jay spent the last week watching the season
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  Speaker 8: three of True Blood. That was pretty exciting. Actually, it
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  Speaker 8: wasn't very exciting. I take that back. It was a
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  Speaker 8: very non-climatic episode. The whole season was non-climatic, and the
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  Speaker 8: season finale was just like, That was the end of
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  Speaker 8: your season right there?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: It was kind of boring.
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  Speaker 8: They had moments.
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  Speaker 12: They had moments.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's definitely starting.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: Just in my opinion, I believe the whole True Blood
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  Speaker 13: series is kind of starting to lose steam.
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  Speaker 12: It hasn't jumped the shark yet. We've got to wait
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  Speaker 12: until the musical episode.
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  Speaker 13: Then we know it's going to start jumping the shark.
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  Speaker 8: Let's just say they deviated so far from the books.
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  Speaker 8: I think they tried so hard to be like, we're
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  Speaker 8: going to do this because it's so cool. They added
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  Speaker 8: so much more gay stuff. I mean, I had nothing
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  Speaker 8: wrong with that, but it's not in the books. The
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  Speaker 8: fact that they deviated so far, it seems like they
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  Speaker 8: tried to do it just... To be controversial?
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  Speaker 12: Or just to wrangle in a certain audience. But, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: That is an audience.
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  Speaker 8: But it's not the books.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's if you're taking the books literally. Like, that's
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  Speaker 1: always mine.
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  Speaker 7: That's two different arguments.
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  Speaker 8: But it seems like they're forcing it. Like, they're doing
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  Speaker 8: it just to try.
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  Speaker 1: Because it makes them money. I mean, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 13: Well, they do have a gaggle full of hot guys
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  Speaker 13: on there.
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  Speaker 12: So, I mean, what do you expect?
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  Speaker 8: And they have a guy who plays Alcide, or Alcide,
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  Speaker 8: whatever the fuck his name is, and he has, like,
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  Speaker 8: three miles of chin.
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  Speaker 12: Werewolf guy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. He has a chin that's, like, from his neck
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  Speaker 8: to the tip of his chin. He could, like, house
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  Speaker 8: a family of orphans underneath there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's nice of him. Does he do that?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what a jerk, then.
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  Speaker 8: He's a werewolf. He doesn't have to have his shirt
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  Speaker 8: off near as often as Jacob does.
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  Speaker 1: If you, like.
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  Speaker 4: kept orphans under there he gets snack on them when
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  Speaker 4: he turns into a werewolf dude seriously that'd be handy
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  Speaker 4: for him.
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  Speaker 12: They're lining up for more stuff.
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  Speaker 1: More geekery gonna unfold in front of us yeah what's.
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  Speaker 8: This one gonna be I don't know but yeah it's
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  Speaker 8: a true I love True Blood I love the books
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  Speaker 8: I've read them all except for the last one I
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  Speaker 8: haven't gotten around to it yet but I love them
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  Speaker 8: but it's just they're changing it so much and I
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  Speaker 8: don't know because the first season followed the book really
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  Speaker 8: close and.
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  Speaker 4: Then I don't know to me that's just two different
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  Speaker 4: things Like, it's just, if you like the books, you
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  Speaker 4: better just read the books. And it's true, I've said
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  Speaker 4: that for years with movies. I'm just like, if you
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  Speaker 4: expect them to make the book, They're not. They're making
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  Speaker 4: something entirely different. So it's like you just have to
• 8:13
  Speaker 4: put it in its own little box and watch it separately.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's going to be something entirely different.
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  Speaker 8: Other than True Blood, we watched your apparently new favorite
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  Speaker 8: show that you're obsessed with.
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  Speaker 12: Ah, The Misfits.
• 8:26
  Speaker 8: I know you've been waiting to talk about that.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: I've heard really good things about that.
• 8:29
  Speaker 13: Oh my god, that fucking series is hilarious. Even if
• 8:33
  Speaker 13: you don't like British comedy. Because I don't like British comedy.
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  Speaker 12: She doesn't like British comedy. I made her sit down
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  Speaker 12: and watch it.
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  Speaker 13: And she really didn't want to sit down and watch
• 8:41
  Speaker 13: it at first, because one, it's a British show, and two,
• 8:43
  Speaker 13: some of the accents are so heavy, but funny.
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  Speaker 12: But yeah, it's a show.
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  Speaker 13: That's based around these kids that are serving community service
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  Speaker 13: for different things, and they get struck by lightning. And
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  Speaker 13: they all get these weird, strange powers. One of them
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  Speaker 13: can turn invisible, and one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Read minds.
• 9:04
  Speaker 7: Read minds.
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  Speaker 13: And a couple of the other ones get different things.
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  Speaker 13: One of them has the ability to make people really
• 9:12
  Speaker 13: horny and want to shag their brains out, which really
• 9:15
  Speaker 13: doesn't seem like a very good one. Is it the
• 9:16
  Speaker 13: power to get raped, is what you said?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 9:19
  Speaker 12: Doesn't seem like a very good power.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: It's not really the superpower you're looking for.
• 9:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 9:24
  Speaker 13: The character Nathan on there is probably my favorite character.
• 9:27
  Speaker 13: And he starts out.
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  Speaker 7: In the beginning episode.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, in the beginning episode, I hated him. I was like, God,
• 9:33
  Speaker 12: this guy's a dick. I just don't like him.
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  Speaker 13: But as the show progresses on, he becomes like the
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  Speaker 13: funniest fucking character on there. Because all he does, he
• 9:41
  Speaker 13: never has anything good to say about anybody. He's always
• 9:43
  Speaker 13: making fun of the one weird kid. I can't think
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  Speaker 13: of his name.
• 9:48
  Speaker 6: Simon.
• 9:48
  Speaker 7: Simon.
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  Speaker 8: Because Simon, I swear to God, Simon is like, he
• 9:53
  Speaker 8: is a straight-up rip-off of Crispin Lover.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to rip people off, that's really not
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  Speaker 4: in the first choice you should go for.
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  Speaker 12: Well, no, for his character, it is.
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  Speaker 13: He's just kind of this really kind of moody, weird,
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  Speaker 13: introverted nerd, and he doesn't talk to anybody. And, of course,
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  Speaker 13: Nathan just immediately starts attacking him. You know, what are
• 10:13
  Speaker 13: you here for? Are you here for a panty sniffer?
• 10:16
  Speaker 12: Are you a pervert?
• 10:17
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 10:20
  Speaker 12: It's a pretty good series. If you get a chance,
• 10:22
  Speaker 12: check it out. I think the first season is on Hulu.
• 10:26
  Speaker 13: So you can get on Hulu and check it out.
• 10:28
  Speaker 13: They're posting new episodes all the time. Or if you've
• 10:31
  Speaker 13: got connections, you can get it other ways online. Or
• 10:34
  Speaker 13: if you're in England, you've probably already... Watch the second season,
• 10:40
  Speaker 13: which we've already watched the first and second season, and
• 10:42
  Speaker 13: we're very excitedly waiting the third season to come out.
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  Speaker 8: That's a long time from now.
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  Speaker 12: October, November. Yeah, not soon enough for me.
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  Speaker 4: We do have listeners in England, so yeah. If you're
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: watching it, you know, let us know. Let us know
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: if the second season turns out pretty good.
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  Speaker 12: Well, we've already seen it, but it has turned out good.
• 11:00
  Speaker 7: And I like it.
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  Speaker 15: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Well, will they even do another?
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: Usually they wrap stuff up so quick in England, like,
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: It's rare that a show goes, like, three seasons.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Like, you'll get maybe two. I've been doing three seasons.
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  Speaker 12: But from what I heard, I think Nathan's dropping out
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  Speaker 12: of it.
• 11:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Which really kind of disappoints me because, like I said,
• 11:17
  Speaker 13: he's one of my favorite characters on here.
• 11:18
  Speaker 8: I think Boyfriend has a main crush on him.
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  Speaker 10: Not really.
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  Speaker 1: He's just fucking hilarious.
• 11:23
  Speaker 7: I'd be his friend.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I said about Duke.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: I'll hang out with Wolf Boy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think we watched any movies.
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  Speaker 12: He'd be running around with his shirt off all the time.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would tell him, dude, really, it's uncomfortable now.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Put a shirt on. It doesn't do me any good.
• 11:38
  Speaker 7: You're sitting on the couch watching a movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little uncomfortable now. Would you please put a
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: shirt on?
• 11:45
  Speaker 13: I'd end up being the ugly fat chick that has
• 11:47
  Speaker 13: to hang out with him so he can pick.
• 11:49
  Speaker 7: Up hot girls.
• 11:50
  Speaker 12: I don't want to be like that. That means I've
• 11:54
  Speaker 12: got to work out. I don't know. Maybe he'll show
• 11:56
  Speaker 12: me some ab secrets.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 11:59
  Speaker 12: I'm too old for that.
• 12:01
  Speaker 8: You are.
• 12:03
  Speaker 7: I've got a six-pack.
• 12:04
  Speaker 13: It's just buried under about 15 pounds of flesh.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: I think we all fall into that category.
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  Speaker 7: It's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Not too proud to admit that.
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  Speaker 7: Anything else?
• 12:16
  Speaker 8: Did we watch any movies?
• 12:18
  Speaker 7: You know, I don't think we did.
• 12:20
  Speaker 12: We spent most of the time watching True Blood.
• 12:22
  Speaker 8: It seems like I watched some. I did watch a movie.
• 12:24
  Speaker 8: I watched two movies. I specifically remember watching him now
• 12:28
  Speaker 8: because he had Timothy Olyphant in him.
• 12:29
  Speaker 16: I watched.
• 12:30
  Speaker 12: What was that?
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Imagine that.
• 12:31
  Speaker 8: I watched Catch and Release, which had Timothy Olyphant and
• 12:34
  Speaker 8: horse face herself, Jennifer Gardner.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Big old teeth. I don't have a problem with Jennifer Garner.
• 12:39
  Speaker 17: She's all right.
• 12:40
  Speaker 8: It was weird because it's a romantic comedy that had
• 12:43
  Speaker 8: Jennifer Garner, Timothy Olyphant, and Kevin Smith.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Kevin Smith and one of his few strictly acting roles. Oh,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: you already watched that one?
• 12:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you didn't want to watch it.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 12:52
  Speaker 8: It had Jennifer Garner in a romantic comedy.
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  Speaker 7: Weird.
• 12:55
  Speaker 8: You did not want to watch it.
• 12:57
  Speaker 7: I don't think she looks that bad.
• 12:58
  Speaker 12: Hey, Jennifer Garner won a lot of things.
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  Speaker 7: Of all people, I wouldn't have gone for her.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, whatever you need to do.
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  Speaker 7: It is a romantic comedy.
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  Speaker 10: It's got you in.
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  Speaker 1: The right one.
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  Speaker 8: It was fairly decent. It's about a girl. She's getting
• 13:12
  Speaker 8: ready to marry a guy. And he goes off on
• 13:15
  Speaker 8: his bachelor party and he dies. So you never actually
• 13:18
  Speaker 8: see the guy she was going to marry. So I
• 13:22
  Speaker 8: guess she actually meets Timothy Oliphant's character at the funeral. And,
• 13:27
  Speaker 8: of course, he's nailing some girl in the bathroom while
• 13:29
  Speaker 8: she's hiding in the shower.
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  Speaker 1: He is that cool.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And it's pretty much him, and he's hanging out, and
• 13:33
  Speaker 8: apparently there's some shit that he has to help her
• 13:36
  Speaker 8: deal with because there's a whole separate life that the
• 13:39
  Speaker 8: fiancé had that she didn't know about. So, yeah, it's
• 13:43
  Speaker 8: this whole her having to deal with it and then
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: eventually hooking up and all that shit. And then I
• 13:49
  Speaker 8: watched Electrolux. The one I showed you the trailer for?
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  Speaker 8: It's got a.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I remember you showing me the trailer. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: that was the title.
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  Speaker 8: Electrolux. Anyway, it's a former porn star who's having a
• 14:02
  Speaker 8: deal with her mom. Apparently it's a sequel. I didn't
• 14:04
  Speaker 8: watch the original because it didn't have Timothy Elf in it,
• 14:06
  Speaker 8: so fuck the original one. But yeah, it's Carla, that
• 14:12
  Speaker 8: one chick whose name I can't say right?
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  Speaker 1: The mom from Spy Kids?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Well, anyways, it's her as a former porn star having
• 14:18
  Speaker 8: to deal with life. She's getting a little bit older,
• 14:20
  Speaker 8: so she's teaching a class.
• 14:22
  Speaker 12: There's always, like, granny porn.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I don't see what the deal is.
• 14:25
  Speaker 8: Well, she's pregnant, too.
• 14:26
  Speaker 12: There's always pregnant porn.
• 14:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's pregnant.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Well, there's pregnant porn, so you just got to find your...
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: Whatever kind of weird porn you got, there's a niche
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: There is.
• 14:34
  Speaker 13: There's no possible way you could be out of the
• 14:36
  Speaker 13: porn business.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: There is a market.
• 14:38
  Speaker 8: She wanted to have this kid not grow up being, hey,
• 14:41
  Speaker 8: my mom's a porn star.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 14:43
  Speaker 8: So she's kind of wanting to... get out of it
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: a little bit. You know, so her kid's not going
• 14:47
  Speaker 8: to be ashamed of her growing up. She's supposed to
• 14:50
  Speaker 8: be a better.
• 14:51
  Speaker 12: Role model and not, you know.
• 14:53
  Speaker 14: So, yes.
• 14:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Actually, the trailers look pretty good.
• 14:58
  Speaker 8: It is hilarious. It's also got a Jordan, what's his name?
• 15:01
  Speaker 8: Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 15:05
  Speaker 8: He plays, like, apparently he has, like, a webcast where
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: he talks about porn and, like, all the stars.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: What kind of a dork would do something?
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, wait, no.
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: He reviews porn and stuff like that. But it's hilarious
• 15:21
  Speaker 8: and funny. It's fun, and apparently Timothy Olyphant's character is
• 15:24
  Speaker 8: a private investigator sent to find these lyrics that her
• 15:29
  Speaker 8: boyfriend wrote about her before he died, and it's a
• 15:32
  Speaker 8: big old train wreck, and a lot of it doesn't
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: make a lot of sense, but it's funny when you
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: do watch what there is.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: The trailer looked funny.
• 15:39
  Speaker 19: Oh, yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: It's just kind of odd. I kind of liked it,
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: but if you want a story that actually wraps up
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: it all, don't watch it, because it just kind of
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: fucking abandons you. So, other than that, I don't think
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: I watched anything.
• 15:51
  Speaker 12: I don't think I watched anything either.
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: I don't remember. Oh, that's the same chick.
• 15:55
  Speaker 12: I thought it was.
• 15:56
  Speaker 13: The one that was awake and asleep then and had
• 15:59
  Speaker 13: tons of tattoos and was repeatedly going to the bathroom
• 16:02
  Speaker 13: to puke. Oh, she's the one in the plasticky Superman
• 16:07
  Speaker 13: costume from the Horror Fest.
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: Out of the other one.
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: She was wearing that outfit last time.
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: Yes, she was.
• 16:14
  Speaker 12: It's one of those costumes you don't put it on,
• 16:16
  Speaker 12: you pour it on.
• 16:19
  Speaker 15: Alright, is.
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: It Greg's turn?
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: Heat shrink.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: If you're ready.
• 16:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm melting in the heat, but I'll go. My
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: kids actually got me.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: To watch a movie that I quite enjoyed.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Alright.
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 16:33
  Speaker 10: And I know I heard about it, but I hadn't
• 16:35
  Speaker 10: gone out and seen it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: And you all may have seen it. It's an animated movie.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Igor.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: At least I like the subject matter.
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I still haven't watched it, though.
• 16:48
  Speaker 10: It's an Igor in a world called Malaria, where basically
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: everyone is a mad scientist and everyone has an Igor.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: They're the servant.
• 17:02
  Speaker 10: Well, he's the creative Igor that wants to really pretty
• 17:04
  Speaker 10: much be the mad scientist and He wants to create life.
• 17:10
  Speaker 10: His mad scientist dies. It's a very, very dark kid's movie.
• 17:20
  Speaker 10: and it's Steve Buscemi plays a cat that's been made
• 17:26
  Speaker 10: it's a bunny rabbit that's been made and he's immortal
• 17:30
  Speaker 10: so he dies probably 40 times in the movie getting
• 17:34
  Speaker 10: shot in the face everything that could possibly happen to
• 17:37
  Speaker 10: him and he comes back alive this is a fun
• 17:41
  Speaker 10: kids movie and the kids are just cracking up laughing
• 17:44
  Speaker 10: at this which is exactly what I want to be
• 17:46
  Speaker 10: doing um You know, jokes like he creates life and
• 17:54
  Speaker 10: she's not evil enough, basically. So it has a feel
• 17:58
  Speaker 10: of like Nightmare Before Christmas. And so he takes her
• 18:03
  Speaker 10: to a brainwasher, him and his crew, to make her
• 18:07
  Speaker 10: more evil. And sits her in front of, much like
• 18:12
  Speaker 10: a Clockwork Orange, horrific scenes. Well, one of them, the
• 18:16
  Speaker 10: bumbling idiot of the group accidentally changes the channel from
• 18:20
  Speaker 10: another room, and she watches Inside the Actor's Studio for,
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: you know, whatever prescribed.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: Amount of time.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome.
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: And she wants to become an actress. Well, it's all
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: about how this actress.
• 18:34
  Speaker 10: female Frankenstein becomes a death-killing machine. So it's quite amusing,
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: especially if you're into dark stuff.
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: And a lot of the jokes are very understated.
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: You have to really be paying attention and being an
• 18:52
  Speaker 10: adult to catch them. Plus it also has a lot
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: of slapstick Looney Tunes humor in it as well. It's
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: a fun watch, especially with younger kids. It's not too mature.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: And I very much appreciated it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: Cool.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Very cool.
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: And I'm proud of my kids for recommending it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, if Jay's kid ever recommended it, we'd be watching
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: hours of Pokemon.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, that's not going to happen.
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: I swear to God, if I hear that Pokemon theme
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: song one more goddamn fucking time. I swear to God,
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: that's all she wants to do at night when she
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: goes to bed. Fucking hate that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Song.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Violence and anger.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Go ahead.
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: I've watched some other stuff, but as far as talking about,
• 19:39
  Speaker 10: they're probably not worth it right now.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I guess that is it for the moment,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: so we will take a break and be back.
• 19:58
  Speaker 14: Catch them is my real test.
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: To train them is my cause.
• 20:03
  Speaker 20: I will travel across the land, searching far and wide.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: It's Pokemon to.
• 20:11
  Speaker 20: Understand the power that's inside.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Pokemon, gotta catch them all. It's you and me. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: know it's my destiny. Pokemon, oh.
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: If you leave the theater, folks, please be careful. Don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: let this happen to your car. Be sure to remove
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: the speaker before you leave. If you should accidentally pull
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: a speaker loose, please turn it in at.
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: Our snack bar or box office.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the world of the not-too-distant future.
• 20:52
  Speaker 14: Get going!
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Go!
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: A poodle gang is reshaping the world into their own
• 20:58
  Speaker 14: vision of hell.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: And only one man can stop them.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: Jean-Claude Van Damme is leading the battle between good and evil.
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: Take him out.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: As it's never been fought before. He's on a desperate mission.
• 21:23
  Speaker 16: To rescue a cyborg who holds the secret for saving
• 21:26
  Speaker 16: the world.
• 21:27
  Speaker 21: Why did you help me?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see you die.
• 21:31
  Speaker 18: From the dust of destruction rises the warrior of.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: A new age. Say goodbye, my friend.
• 21:45
  Speaker 18: Jean-Claude Van Damme has become the first hero of the
• 21:48
  Speaker 18: 21st century Cyborg.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Now it's time for our continuing series that takes a
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: look at filmmakers themselves.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It's time to.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Focus on Albert Pugh.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back. Greg and I are here with
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a special guest. We have director Albert Pugh with us.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: And first, I just kind of wanted to do a
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: little intro and kind of talk.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: About you for a little while. I feel like, you know, being.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: As much as I love movies, I feel very removed
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: from the Hollywood system where I grew up here in Louisville.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You were even further from the system.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So, was it Hawaii you grew up?
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Kailua, Hawaii, which is a small town on the
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: other side of the mountains from Honolulu.
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: And it was pretty isolated.
• 23:19
  Speaker 22: I mean, back then there wasn't any internet, and movie
• 23:24
  Speaker 22: making was very.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Much a distant uh uh dream right I mean I
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: don't I don't recall anybody that I grew up with
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: that even thought about this as a as a business
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: and um so it was it was tough there was
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: no place even to develop film on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: The island wow that's that makes it difficult yeah oh
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: so it was it were you I'm assuming a big
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: fan of movies as a kid.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Or yeah my dad was in the marines so we
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: traveled around a lot and So I was exposed to
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: a lot of foreign cinema really before American cinema.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: And didn't really see.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Actually that many American films until the, I would say,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: early 60s. Mostly before then that was on Japanese films
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: or French films. So I think it sort of shaped
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: sort of my approach to filmmaking in the language of cinema.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And now you have a very distinct difference from American movies.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess that way.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: But one of the influences back then, when I was
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: a kid that I really liked, even though it made
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: no sense to me, was the Godard movies.
• 24:36
  Speaker 22: And I just liked, they were so extreme, and they're
• 24:39
  Speaker 22: so sort of in your.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: Face, and it was, I just really liked it, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: it was like, there was really an attempt to see
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: the world from a little different point of view than
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: was normally seen, so.
• 24:51
  Speaker 22: I really respected that, and that, I think, influenced me
• 24:54
  Speaker 22: as well.
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: Very cool.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: So I guess once you got involved in the closest
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: thing to the industry in your area that you could,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: you ended up doing a lot of different jobs early on?
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Well, an actor, really a superstar in Japan, Toshiro Mifune,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: had seen a short of mine and brought me to
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Japan because he understood how hard it was to, especially
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: back then, to get into the business. and how impossible
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: it was really to do it from Hawaii. And the
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: fact that I was Asian was triply sort of hard
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: because there weren't really any Asian-American directors then. So he
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: thought that the best place for me to begin and
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: to get some experience was Japan.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: So he brought me to.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Japan, and I worked there for about a year and
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: sort of interned, but got to do a lot of
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: different jobs.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: And then I settled on.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Being a second assistant cameraman to Takao Saito, who shot
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of Kurosawa films. And originally when I went
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: to Japan, Mifune was going to do a film with
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Kurosawa called Duruso Uzawa. But the shoot location had changed,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: the schedule had changed, and it went from being something
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: that Mifune wanted to do, and then when he found
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: out it was going to be shot in Siberia, he
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: just didn't want to go spend you know, months and
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: months and months in.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: Siberia, so he opted out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I went with him, and he had a production company
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: that did a lot of movies and TV shows.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: That he started, and I started working on those. And,
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: you know, and then when I got back.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: To Hawaii, it was actually very easy to get a job, obviously,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: because I had more experience on sort of a world
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: stage than almost anybody else there. So I worked for
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: the largest, I went to work for the largest commercial
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: production house there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: So was it always your intent to do specifically directing,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: or did you just want to work in the industry
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: in general?
• 26:53
  Speaker 22: No, it really wasn't directing, per se.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: It was making movies.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: And I grew up making movies since I was 9
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: or 10 years old. And so that was really the emphasis,
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: that I used to go and make as many as
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: 2 or 3 movies a week. And I just got
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: into that rhythm, and... So I think that's really what
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: drove it. I just wanted, you know, to see ideas
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: up on the screen.
• 27:21
  Speaker 23: Yeah, definitely.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Just to touch on a few of yours, I mean,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: right off the bat, The Sword and the Sorcerer, that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: grown into such a big, you know, following over the years.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: What was it, I guess, what was the shoot itself like?
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Well, it was a, it was, you know, being the
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: first film, I was pretty naive about the process, and...
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: I didn't really have a good relationship with the producers
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: on the film, and I actually quit one night, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: Lee Horsley.
• 27:51
  Speaker 22: The star of it, actually talked me back onto the set.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: So I'd walked off, and I was.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: About ready to get in my car and drive home,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: I said. And people were going, wow, it's your first film,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: you can't quit on your first film. And I just said,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: I'm not putting up with this. I've got to be
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: able to make the film the way I see it,
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: or else it's not worth being here.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: And I think that one of the things.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Certainly, I don't know if it's worked for me or
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: against me, was the fact that I never really saw,
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: you know, a film career as like a directing career
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: or a fame or money thing. It was really just
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I wanted to make films and I wanted to make
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: them my way. And so, you know, that sort of
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: attitude doesn't really jive well in Hollywood.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: For somebody going into it and having to deal with
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: a budget, you always pick such grand... scale projects as
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: far as post-apocalyptic or medieval times or, you know, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: have to change everything about your environment.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Did that ever hinder you from doing a specific project?
• 28:53
  Speaker 22: Well, it definitely hinders the final.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: Result of a project. Yeah, I guess.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: But, no, I mean, well, yeah, I mean, it's definitely
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: dealt the outcome of the movie.
• 29:04
  Speaker 22: Some serious blows. It didn't coalesce quite right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Because there'd be moments that don't work, or generally, like, actually,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Sword and the Sorcerer, Radioactive Dreams, I think the first
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: four or five films that I did, I don't even
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: think I got a cut on films.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I was actually, you know, locked out of the editing.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Room, and now I have about, I don't know, I
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: think from the late 80s all the way to the,
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: almost to present day, certainly to 2000, I think I
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: did about 30 films and of the 30 films, I
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: think three or four.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: Of them I actually got my cut.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: And the rest of them, like Adrenaline, Bob Weinstein.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: Pulled me off, and.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Captain America, Columbia TriStar pulled me off. I mean, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: got pulled off a lot of movies after I shot them.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: And then on Cyborg, Vondam... kicked me out of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: cutting room. So, you know, it's... For some reason, going
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: into the projects, everybody really loves the idea and the
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: concept and my ideas. And then when I actually make
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: that movie, I go, oh, wait a minute, this isn't
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: what we thought.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And that was one of the next ones I was
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: going to get to, was Cyborg.
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: So what.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I guess you've sort of led to what that process
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Was Van Damme a difficult one to work with?
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: At that point, I think Van Damme was still early
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: in his career. He was still innocent and I think
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: had a great enthusiasm and was still on the ascent
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: of his career.
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: So he wasn't that bad.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: I think as the movie progressed, you could see signs
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: that he could be susceptible to sort of the... You know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: sort of the star aura.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Ego, maybe? That's just even ego.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: I think it's just he starts to realize that he
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: has the power to control things.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: When you become the focus of not just a movie
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: but an entire series of movies, it's all based around me.
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: And, you know, once you realize that you've become a
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: very valuable commercial property, I think it really changes a person.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: And I was lucky that during the whole shoot of
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Cyborg in North Carolina... Jean-Claude's dad was there the whole time. So,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: you know, he was on pretty good behavior because I
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: don't think he wanted to. And I heard his dad
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: chastise him a couple times in French. So I know
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that having his dad there. And I did a film
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: with actually Charlie Sheen in Scotland called Postmortem.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: And his mom came with him.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: And so for the six days that he shot on
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: the film, he was fine. Always knew his lines, always
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: showed up on time. never trashed the hotel room until
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: the last night. And I think that's a product of
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: his mom being there. Sometimes you need that parental influence
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: to keep things.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: On an even keel.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: It's hard to bring hookers in when your mom's around.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: That ruins everything.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: And I think his mom went home on the last
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: day of shooting, and then he was there one more night,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: and then all hell broke loose.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Cramping my style, Mom.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: God.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Oh, well, then... Maybe it's for his career to keep
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: his mom around.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe she needs to just sit with
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: him all the time. And then it was going to.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Captain America. So that's... Now, specifically, it's certainly...
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: come back into the light and become a big property.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: So I guess what was your Captain America like and
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: how did you get involved with it?
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Well, when we started shooting, we lost our funding almost immediately.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: And we were in Yugoslavia and it created obviously a
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: lot of pressure on us to even just continue to film.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: So what we ended up doing was trying to use
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: the momentum.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: Of speed because I could shoot pretty fast.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: And we just kept the momentum, tried to keep the
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: momentum going so it wouldn't just stop dead. So even though,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: you know, like we couldn't pay a hotel bill or
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: we couldn't pay an equipment bill or a lab bill,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: we could, you know, because we were moving ahead at
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: a pace, we were always able to keep everybody connected. still,
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: you know, working forward, even if they didn't get a
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: paycheck that week, or it was late, or, you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: it just, it was, but it's difficult when you're shooting
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: that way, because you're not really shooting the movie anymore,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: you're really shooting, the shoot is totally controlled by the
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: deal and the financing, and it was miserable, and we
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: lost a lot of the action scenes, because those are
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: obviously the most expensive things, and in 1989, you had
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: to stage it practically, there was no CGI, so, It
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: was very involved and it was very costly. So a
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: lot of those things were the first things we cut out.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Of the shoot.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: It is different than most superhero movies because it almost
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: does focus on the guy more so than the costume
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: superhero version. So it's more interesting, I think, the way
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: that it focuses on him and what he's going through.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: And then I was going to ask, was that part
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: of the storyline, was that pre-existing? Did that come from Marvel,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: that the whole, like, almost time travel? It's like he loses,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you know, what, 30, 40 years there. So it's like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: was that a pre-existing notion that they came to you
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: with in the project, or did.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: That get added?
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: No, I think that was in the script, and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: think that was pretty much from the comic book. I
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: think that one of the marching orders, I think, to
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: the writer, Steve Tolkien, was that he had to be
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: he had to be a slave.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: To the comic book.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: And when we started shooting, like, I wanted to adjust
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: the Captain America costume a little bit to make it
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: a little more practical for somebody going into, you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: war on a mission.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Marvel probably didn't like that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: No, they didn't like that at all.
• 34:43
  Speaker 22: Although in the new one, I noticed that they made
• 34:45
  Speaker 22: a lot of adjustments.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah. And, like, they removed the wings off his,
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: you know, and stuff like that. So, you know, it was...
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: We had a lot of difficulties with that, but I think.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: what we really wanted to do, once we realized that
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: the funding was gone, we really focused on that part
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: of the script that was about Steve Rogers and him,
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: his sort of quest or journey to becoming Captain America.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: And it really, you know, just because somebody gives, like,
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: I think what he learns is that you can't just
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: be given an experiment and.
• 35:18
  Speaker 22: Cured, you know, his polio's cured and he's stronger and
• 35:20
  Speaker 22: he's faster.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: He's given this costume and it's called Captain America and
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: then all of a sudden he's going to be this
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: hero right off the bat without earning it, I guess.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: And the movie's about him realizing that and that he
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: has responsibilities to earn that title or name and to
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: earn the right to wear the costume.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: And that's kind of what we focused on.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: And then within that cast, it made me want to
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: ask you, because... You got to work.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: With Darren McGavin.
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I love Darren McGavin. What was he like working with?
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Actually, before he agreed to do the film, I had
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: to meet him. And I met him in London, where
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: he lived then. And he was just the most, I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: just the nicest man.
• 36:09
  Speaker 22: And kind. I mean, he has that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: You know, he always has that persona of being kind
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: of a grumpy, you know, guy. But in real life,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: he's just so pleasant and nice and easygoing.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: And, you know, it was one of the best experiences
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: I've had.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he seemed like he would be amazing to be around.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: And then you also got to work with, years later,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Dennis Hopper. What is that?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: What is it like trying to be on set with Dennis?
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Dennis was wonderful also. I think at that point in
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: his life, he had gone through all the wars that
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: I was still going through. And he knew I was
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: going to continue to go through them because he knew
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: you can't buck the system. without paying a price.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: He did it years ago.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: He told me that. He commended me the fact that
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: I wanted to do it the way I wanted to
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: do it. And that was it. He told me that
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: there would be a price to be paid for that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: And it was actually on that movie Ticker. I had
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: to pay a pretty extreme price. I got removed from
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: that film too. But he was great because By that point,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: he had built up so much life experience and film
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: experience that he understood, even before I talked to him,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: what needed to be done and how it needed to
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: be done.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: He was just amazed that we could shoot.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: I think he was in.
• 37:42
  Speaker 22: 25 pages of the film, which is a quarter of
• 37:44
  Speaker 22: the script.
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: We shot all of it in one day.
• 37:47
  Speaker 22: He was in a dozen locations. We still shot all
• 37:52
  Speaker 22: of his stuff in one day.
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: And he was, that's exactly what he said. He said,
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: he said, he just goes, wow, you blow my mind.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: He just kept saying, this blows my mind, this blows
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: my mind.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, most shoots you get, yeah, like two
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: or three setups a day.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: But I think he liked it because it kind of
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: took him back to more of how he started.
• 38:12
  Speaker 22: And it's kind of like how he did Easy Rider,
• 38:15
  Speaker 22: which was just kind.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: Of a, really guerrilla style film and nobody knew what
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: it was going to be and they were just all
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: following their noses and we appreciated the fact that I
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: had to shoot them out in one day.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Let's see.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I guess you've had a lot of different experiences over
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the years. Do you have any advice for up and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: coming filmmakers?
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: I think you just have to not try to anticipate
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: what the way you think things should be and how
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: you need to adapt to those things i think you
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: just need to be who you are and uh you
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: know be persistent yeah i think persistence is the main
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: thing don't let anything i mean like one of the
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: things that i've always believed which i said when anybody
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: said no that was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: A maybe yeah and anybody.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: Said maybe that's a yes and so let that be
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: the So that way, when you get the no's or
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: rejections or passes, they're actually on.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: The fence about you. So there's a chance. As long
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: as you believe that, I.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Think you can make any film you want to make.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: and you can because one of the things i've learned
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: is that either with studios or banks or whoever you're
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: dealing with or investors is they really don't invest in
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: the movies of art and i think they invest in
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: the individual yeah and they look you in the eye
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: and they say can i trust this guy with my
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: money will this guy protect my investment yeah to.
• 39:47
  Speaker 22: The hill no matter what happens.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Come hell or high water even as an atomic war
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: this filmmaker will figure out a way to get this
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: film done and.
• 39:55
  Speaker 22: Get my money back nice and and.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: I think that that's what maybe filmmakers don't really understand
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: uh it doesn't come down to concept or how good
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: something is or how bad something is it really comes
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: down to the commitment of that filmmaker to their project
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: yeah Definitely.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I did want to help you get the word out
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: on the stuff you've got coming up. So you've been
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: doing director's cuts of your movies?
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: And information is available about those director's cuts at pernampictures
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: at gmail.com. And basically because I was thrown off with
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: so many of my movies, but I retained the material
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: to write the release because that was usually.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: The settlement for me not to pull my name off
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: the movie.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: So I didn't you know, I had the privilege of
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: being able to now reconstruct these director's cuts or my
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: cut of the film in most cases for the first
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: time and release them to the public and people could
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: see what I had in mind. And, you know, I'm
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: trying to at least really go after at least the
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: most maligned of my films.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: Captain America being one.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It's good timing for that one.
• 41:03
  Speaker 22: And hopefully people, you know, can appreciate what I was
• 41:05
  Speaker 22: intending to do.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: Definitely.
• 41:08
  Speaker 22: Very cool.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to put the word out on my.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Project that's it mainly they should just check my facebook
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: page at our two movies for updates on what I'm
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: doing and how things are proceeding pretty fluid.
• 41:27
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  Speaker 19: Well, thank you, Dr.
• 43:08
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  Speaker 19: Nice to be back with you. Well, first of all,
• 43:16
  Speaker 19: I bring a personal message from Dr. Howell, who has
• 43:19
  Speaker 19: asked me to convey his deepest appreciation to all of
• 43:21
  Speaker 19: you for the many sacrifices you've had to make. And,
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: of course, his congratulations on your discovery, which may well
• 43:30
  Speaker 19: prove to be among the most significant in the history
• 43:32
  Speaker 19: of science. Now, uh, I know there have been some
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: conflicting views held by some of you regarding the need
• 43:42
  Speaker 19: for complete security in this matter. More specifically, your opposition
• 43:47
  Speaker 19: to the cover story. Created to give the impression there's
• 43:51
  Speaker 19: an epidemic.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: At the base.
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: I understand that beyond it being a matter of principle,
• 43:58
  Speaker 19: many of you are troubled by the concern and anxiety
• 44:02
  Speaker 19: this story of an epidemic might cause to your relatives
• 44:05
  Speaker 19: and friends on Earth.
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: Well, I.
• 44:08
  Speaker 19: completely sympathize with your negative views. I found this cover
• 44:13
  Speaker 19: story personally embarrassing myself. However, I accept the need for
• 44:18
  Speaker 19: absolute secrecy in this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: Dr.
• 44:21
  Speaker 19: Floyd, have you any idea how much longer this cover
• 44:25
  Speaker 19: story will have to be maintained?
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: I don't know, Bill.
• 44:31
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• 44:33
  Speaker 19: by the council.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: All right, we're back with this week's special guest, Albert Pugh,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and we're going to do our Sofa Theater Feature of
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: the Week, which this week is 2001, A Space Odyssey.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: The director is Stanley Kubrick.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: The year is 1968, and the plot, according to IMDb,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: mankind finds a mysterious, obviously artificial artifact buried on the moon,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: and with the intelligent computer house, that's off on a quest.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's much bigger than that, but that's what
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: IMDb says.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: That's a pretty poor description of it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty minor description of it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: All right, so that is our movie of the week.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: So where would you like to begin with this one?
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Is this something that you personally.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: I saw it with my dad in the Cinerama Theater
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: in Honolulu when it came out.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: And I remember.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: in the lobby getting my dad to buy me the
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: program that came with it because it was like a
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: road show it was in full cinerama three projectors.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah back when they used to do that you used
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: to be able to get programs and stuff in the
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: lobby i remember.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: That and um so it was this really slick program
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: that was what i and i maybe it's one of
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: the reasons i shoot all my films on widescreen is
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: that that program the format of the program was in
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: widescreen so i could bend that program the around my
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: head like a cinema screen.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 46:59
  Speaker 22: And it actually sort of came to life.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: And so when the movie started, well, first it has
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: a really long overture.
• 47:07
  Speaker 23: Oh, yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: And I love that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: I think it took, I don't know, it took how
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: many minutes for the lights to dim in the theater?
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: It starts really slow, so you're not really that aware
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: that the lights are dimming. And the overture is going
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: on and on, and suddenly the lights, you're aware suddenly
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: that the lights are dimming.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: And it's just such a magical thing.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: And I just thought that this is really what, you know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: a cinema experience should be. Where you're just surprised and
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: you're enthralled and you're sucked into the world of that movie.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: And when the screens open up in the Cinerama, what
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: was amazing to me was when they pass the.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Point where you normally see the curtains.
• 47:48
  Speaker 23: And it keeps going.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: And the curtains keep going and going and going. And
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: it was just amazing. And then there's that opening shot,
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: you know, with the... uh for the planets and yeah
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: and so I think I was just so amazed of
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: the vision not not even the movie or the story
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: or the actors or anything just a vision that somebody
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: had and the commitment somebody had to bring that experience
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: into a theater in Hawaii you know and I was
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: going this is definitely you know the business I want
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: to be in and uh because I just love that
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: experience and I was a kid and I didn't quite
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: understand the story like a lot of other people, but the.
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: Vision was very clear.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: And he took you into a different universe, different worlds,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: and he presented cinema sort of in a different, with
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: a different language. And I just thought that was just
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: magical and Yeah, and that's something I've tried to do
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: with my films, and try to present sort of the more,
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: like even, you know, even like The Cyborg with Van Damme,
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: or Ticker with Seagal. You can see the director's cuts,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: I really try to emulate that, try to give the
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: audience something different, and give them an experience more than just,
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: you know, what they expect from the genre.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it definitely, especially I was thinking back,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the time frame, I mean, it was... If you think
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: back at.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: That point, we really didn't have all of this sci-fi,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: especially cinematic. There was like maybe star trek on tv
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: but you hadn't seen star wars in the theater and
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: you hadn't seen you know the star trek movies and
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: all the big blockbusters that came i mean this this
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: was predating that so it's like this kind of did
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: have to blow your mind at that point that you're
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: presenting this grand a scope and at the same time
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: you're also doing it with what they had perfected some
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: pretty impressive special effects for being, you know, 68. I mean,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: just re-watching it this weekend, it was like, it still
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: holds up. It's like, it's rare that you see anything
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: that I would even imagine them doing differently now.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It still looks that good.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: The vision is so strong behind the film, and you
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: can't really, the sound, the music, the pictures, just the framing,
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: every aspect of that movie is just so... strong because
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: of the vision behind it. And that's partly why probably
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: I do take on these movies like Radioactive Dreams where
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: I don't really have a budget for Sword and Sorcerer
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: or even Cyborg or any number of the movies that
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: I've done. I think there's always something about that that
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: I strive for.
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Ben, did you have anything to add?
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it was interesting that you went into the score
• 50:30
  Speaker 10: at the beginning and the overture and everything. That's the
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: thing that separates that movie from me. Just that the sound,
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: and not just the sound of the score that goes
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: along with it, and what he chose to put in it,
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: but all of the sound throughout it, and sometimes even
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: the lack of sound, you know, what's going on at
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: those moments.
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: Almost tell the.
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: Story as well or better than the visuals do. It's,
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: you know, I I saw it very young and then
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: saw it much later in my life. I didn't know
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: what was going on when I was young, but there
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: was still an impression burned in my head that there's
• 51:09
  Speaker 10: something bigger going on, there's something grand going on.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: And every part of it, from.
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: Just the entire feeling of the film.
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: In every sense almost just tells you no there's something
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: bigger going on than just a regular movie I think that's.
• 51:29
  Speaker 22: The power of vision we see a movie where the filmmaker.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: Had a really distinctive vision whether it works or not
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: almost as irrelevant to the fact that you're seeing something
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: that has a strong will behind it and it's something
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: that person really wanted to put on the screen it's
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: not a job it's not you feel that passion and
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: I think that you know I've I try to do
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: that with my films.
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's always... I think probably because of.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: The context my films are distributed and presented in, like
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Cyborg was just seen as a Jean-Claude Van.
• 52:06
  Speaker 22: Damme martial arts thing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: And I think that when it's presented in that context,
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden you try to give
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: it something like... Because originally when I screened Cyborg for Canon,
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: I screened.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: It in black and white.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: Because i didn't even think color belonged in the movie
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: you know and uh you know it's like it's it's
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: but because they're so enamored of a certain type of
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: film in the market that they you know 2001 really
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: didn't have that problem because it clearly when they went
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: into it they let them they wanted to see kubrick's
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: vision yeah and uh so the purity of that is
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: there and and.
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: I wish, hopefully at some.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: Point in my life, I'll get that opportunity where I
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: can just do a pure, you know, what I have
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: in mind.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, they really did sort of let him go
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: to town, more or less, and they give him that
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: freedom because he does, like, you brought up the sound,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: and it's like there's so much of it that there's
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: no talking. I mean, I think there was, like, somewhere
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: a breakdown of, like, 75% of the screen time, there's.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Not dialogue being spoken.
• 53:11
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's very unconventional.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: And it's, I mean, even by today's standards, that's very
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: different than what we're used to. So it was bringing
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: a really artistic end into it that maybe people hadn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: seen before. Because you get somebody doing something like that
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: and taking on this grand scale, like hundreds of years
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: plot line, more or less.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: He was messing around a little bit with the fact
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: that audiences then, even now, need to have Specific signposts,
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: even in dialogue or something, to tell them what the
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: movie's plot is, where they're at in the story, who
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: these people are. And he just totally ignored all of that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: That's where I thought, you know, it's a great achievement
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: in art. You know, it's purely impressionistic.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: And actually, I.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: Thought about 2001 when you were going to do this.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: I re-edited Tales the last three days. before the screening
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: tonight at midnight and I thought about that I said
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: you know the problem with this movie has been that
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to please sort of an audience or a
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: market and that I'm not really following sort of my
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: own instincts and trying to make a mass appeal movie
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: when that's not the movie that I made and I
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: had to go you know so now the way the
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: movie is and I was a little worried about this
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: but we'll see how it works tonight is that I
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: have flashbacks in the movie which tell the bulk of
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: the plot. But you're never really aware that you're in
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: the flashback. You know, it's like you lose a little
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: sense of time and place. And I thought that was
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: an interesting thing to bring to the sword and sorcery genre,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: you know?
• 54:54
  Speaker 22: Feel that disorientation that you should feel when.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: You go into another world.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I think you need to do that, like, as an
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: artist in general, but specifically a filmmaker.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's what.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: So many mainstream movies now suffer from, is that fact
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: that they... They go in with a very specific set
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: of rules, and the corporation backing it wants this, this,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: and this, and you have to meet all these little specifics,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: and then by the end, you've totally watered down what
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you started out to make. So you can see that,
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, that was something Kubrick did not worry about.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: He's just like, what corporation would back you to make
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: crazy monkeys jumping around for the first 15 minutes in
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: your science fiction movie?
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: It couldn't happen today.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: No, there's no way they would.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Let that happen. People would get up and walk out. Yeah, right.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: And what's interesting, and you were talking about the signpost,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: the few times that they bother to put up the little, like,
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: you know, description of where they are. What I always
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: thought was funny is the fact that it originally comes
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: up with the dawn of man, but it doesn't change
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: from that time period until we find the monolith. So
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: all the way up through those millions of years of evolution,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: and even up through modern day when we're flying through space,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: it still considers that the dawn of man. I was like,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: that's kind of interesting that, like, we don't even ascend
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: to the next level in the story until we come
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: in contact.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: With the monolith that second time. I thought that was
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: always really interesting.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: And I think, you know, I mean, I think it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: going to be, I think you don't see that type
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: of risk-taking anymore with filmmaking. And so films just don't,
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, back when I grew up, I was lucky
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: enough to grow up in the 60s when, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: you had 2001, you had Easy Riders.
• 56:31
  Speaker 22: You had, you know, Taxi Drivers in the.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: 70s and, you had all these really adventuresome movies that
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: you just don't, you don't see that where every week
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: there was some audacious sort of, uh, vision on the screen.
• 56:44
  Speaker 22: And, um, you know, I'm hoping.
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: Like the tales is that I know people have a
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: certain expectation of the sword and the sorcerer and, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: the genre itself and Kevin Sorbo and stuff. And I'm
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: hoping that we give them a little bit of a,
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: of a mind trip.
• 56:58
  Speaker 22: And yeah, there'll be some people that will probably walk.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: Out because it won't be what they want. It doesn't,
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: and tell them how they should feel about it. They
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: just have to react to it. And that's really, I think,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: the best thing that we can accomplish, that I can
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: accomplish with Tales, is that it's just a movie that
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: you react to, and it's how you feel about it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: Somebody asked me, oh, is there a lot of action
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: in it?
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's not really, it's a fantasy film.
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: It's like a head thrill.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the way it should be.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Again, I think you have to do that. as an
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: artist to come out with something you're happy with. Just
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: kind of go with what you want to do and
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: create your vision. You look at what Kubrick did. It
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't fit what anybody else would do, and it does
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: very much leave it open to the viewer themselves to,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: by the end of it, kind of piece together the story.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: He really left a lot of it wide open. That
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: last third of the film is just kind of like, okay,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: here's some images.
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: I think the great advantage Kubrick has beyond the strength
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: of vision and the will that he had, was that
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: he didn't have to cast Steven Seagal. I think Steven
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Seagal would have ate the spaceships. He would have ate Hal.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 58:12
  Speaker 22: The star child at the end would have been his vomit.
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: Floating in space.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to picture Seagal in the middle of 2001,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: and it's kind of making my brain.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, I think that that's its own sort
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: of challenge.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, he definitely was, you know, top of his
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: game and then even, I guess, of his power at
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: that point because he does bring in A-list people and
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: the effects are top of the line. So, I mean,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: it is sort of, you know, when you've got perfect
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: situations to work with, you can definitely.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Come out with something amazing.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, I think even along the way, he's, I guess,
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: fighting the audience for, like, you know, having them wanting
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: to have some sort of preconceived notion or having.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You spell everything out for him where he doesn't do that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 22: I mean, it's... Well, I think that's where he was smart.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: The film begins five minutes or eight minutes before the
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: film actually formally begins, where we as an audience say, okay,
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: now it's beginning. yeah we're not really conscious that the
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: film has already began and i think that was the
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: brilliance of that overture and.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: The way that they deal with the lights and you.
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: Know i just think it was uh you know it
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: was a very very interesting way to psychologically draw.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: The audience here and it's very like showman like i
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: was thinking especially when you get to the intermission and
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: that doesn't even process in today's world but i was
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: like it really was like a like an experience, you know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: that you would go and sit there and listen to
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: an overture in the middle of a movie. It's like
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: our popcorn-eating crowd now doesn't understand that at all. So
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: that's funny.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Going into the opening of the movie, I was going
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: to ask.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it occurred to me as I
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: watched it, I was like, if they did this now,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: those would be CGI apes.
• 59:50
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: There's no way they would let people... And the thing is,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: those look really good.
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, for a 60-year-old... Well, I think it's more
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: poetic when you get it in models.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I think there's a realism.
• 59:59
  Speaker 22: And a sort of a weight to that that you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 22: don't see in CGI.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: I was thinking even the characters, I mean, you look
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: at like the rise of the apes coming out and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: it's a hundred percent CGI characters. And I was like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: that's kind of sad because I think there's something to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: those guys in makeup. And, and, you know, I think,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: you know, it's, it's a little, I mean, you can
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: kind of tell, but at the same time, I think
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: that's sort of the point too. I mean, you are
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: dealing with that dividing line between ape and when they
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: become man.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you kind of need people in those suits.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: So it's, I think that, yeah, that part was kind of,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: it's sad that, yeah, I know now if it was back,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: there would be nothing but CGI apes running around. I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: don't know, I guess, what were your thoughts on the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: opening with him and the bone and that whole.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: I was just blown away. I mean, just, first, I'd
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: never seen anything like that.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 22: Never seen or experienced.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: Uh movies that way and i think that that was
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: the thing that i took away from it didn't really
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: matter what it was about you know but the story
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: or plot or you know what was going on it
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: was the experience of of healing that scene yeah uh
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: that was fresh and wonderful and you know it's it's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: really too bad that the experience doesn't really exist that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Often not much no but it does I mean if
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: you go back now and try to piece together because
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: it is sort of something you can just sit back
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: and watch and take it in and not put as
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: much thought into it if you don't want to but
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: then when you do it's like it is that it
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: is funny that he wanted to capture that moment especially
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: dealing in this big sci-fi movie that he wanted to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: capture that moment of mankind first figuring out a tool
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: and being able to learn to use a tool so
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's comes to play that's what i've seen
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: you know people then compare that to that's the most
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: basic use of a tool and then to fast forward
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: millions of years to you know through evolution we've got
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: how being the ultimate version of a tool that man
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: is using and how he sort of loses control with it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: Again yeah i just i just i felt that uh
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: really the dawn of man was almost like.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 22: Also that whole thing always struck me as like.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: The dawn of cinema yeah it's You're really seeing cinema.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: Jump up in the evolutionary scale.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: You do see stuff back in the early days to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: what they can do on good projects. It is really
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: amazing how far it's sort of left. I always thought
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: it was interesting, too, that that same moment, it's like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: we see mankind first use a tool. It also becomes
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: basically the first murder tool. I mean, before, they didn't
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: really interact that way. Everybody was afraid, and everybody just
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: stayed away from each other. But once they found the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: power behind being able to use the tool and think
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: that extra little level, it then occurred to them to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: murder someone. So I think that's very telling of humanity
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: at that point, that the first thing we learn how
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: to do is kill. And again, it comes back into
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: play later when Hal sort of... first comes to his
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: consciousness of whatever he is in the universe starts killing
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: people so it's I think it's.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Interesting the you know that that comes.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: Into play.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah I mean I guess I guess I don't know
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 10: if we're getting into that any deeper but I guess
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 10: that whole idea of evolution I mean you say you
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 10: know dawn of film and everything but that's what the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: movie is about is evolving past and breaking free I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: mean I guess when he does break free from hell
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: he's able to evolved beyond you know a man is
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 10: no longer tied to his tools you know his tool
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: was his life support everything every everything was contingent upon
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 10: him having that tool or we would be dead and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 10: so therefore uh once he's able to break free from
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 10: that you know that whole final act is all about
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: evolving past that no longer being caught in that prison
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: i mean at least that's that's how i see it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 10: i know that that's always open for interpretation but um,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 10: breaking free of that, you know, and.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: Actually evolving past what we were.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: And, and, and I guess, you know, like you said,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: that beyond just a, I mean, when you think about
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: on a film level is, okay, don't box yourself into
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 10: what the tools of the trade are.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: What, what can you do? You know, alone, like you said,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: having an overture before.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 10: The film even begins, you're branching outside of what more
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: the film can be.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 22: And I'm still, you know, that, that, Aspects of that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 22: movie really stay with me.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, because I think in a lot of the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: films that I've done really since 2005, I've tried to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: explore that aspect of it, which is the pure experience
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: of how you perceive a movie and how to use
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: that as really what the movie's about.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 22: As opposed to, you know, plot, good guy, bad guy, and.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: That kind of stuff.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Well, we can jump, I guess, ahead into the plot,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: into the space stuff, into the bulk of the movie
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in outer space.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, that too is kind of interesting because it does,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, being 68, we'd barely even gotten into space.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: So it's like looking how much of it became pretty
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: similar to the real world and how some of the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: space flight stuff is actually the way that it ended
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: up happening. But even like the crossing over into like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: the corporate sponsorships on everything was kind of, frighteningly accurate
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: as time goes on now that you've got like your
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: moon base being sponsored by what was it the Hilton
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: space station and then the Howard Johnson's advertising so I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: mean it is funny how it already saw how much
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: everything was going to have to become commercial but like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: if you're going to get these billions of dollars to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: fund space you know you're going to have to get
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: it from somewhere so I I thought that was kind
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: of eerie in how accurate some of that stuff was.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: I always saw the Hilton and the Howard Johnson as
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: being like MGM or Universal.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: Like it's stamped on your movie.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Pretty much, yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: And that's how you get.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: At the age I was, I saw everything through the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: glasses of filmmaking.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: I guess I saw a different movie in a way
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: because of that. I was always.
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  Speaker 6: I was just subconscious about the movie, what this movie
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: was saying about, to me as a filmmaker.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've got to get back over there. Thank you.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you for talking to us.
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  Speaker 7: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 18: You don't mind talking about it, do you, Dane?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 18: Well, certainly no one could have been unaware of the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 18: very strange stories floating around before we left. Rumors about
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 18: something being dug up on the moon. I never gave
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 18: these stories much credence, but particularly in view of some
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 18: of the other things that have happened, I find them
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 18: difficult to put out of my mind. For instance, the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 18: way all our preparations were kept under such tight security,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 18: and the melodramatic touch of putting Drs. Hunter, Kimball, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 18: Kaminsky aboard, already in hibernation after four months of separate
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 18: training on their own. You're working up your crew psychology report.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 18: course i am sorry about this i know it's a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 18: bit silly.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: So we're changing gears here since albert had to leave
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: we're uh we've we've got a new guest here so
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  Speaker 1: uh tell him your name sir hey my name's steve
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  Speaker 1: gladstone all right filmmaker yeah i'm.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 16: A filmmaker uh gladstonefilms.com you can find me on facebook
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 16: and Check out my screenplay at www.blakehousemovie.com.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: You're here, so go watch the movie.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 16: It's a heartwarming story of a young cheerleader who, in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 16: order to win a college scholarship, must survive the night
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 16: by babysitting a zombie child.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: A good tie-in for the babysitting theme we've got this weekend. Oh, well,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: let's see.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: We'd gotten through the monkey parts, but if you have
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: anything else to add with the ape setup, we just
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: started to move into the space age on 2001.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: No, that's beautiful.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: 2001 is.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 16: Almost to the point where there are no words to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 16: describe the impact of the film and the beauty of it.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 16: And sort of like, I think in the end, Kubrick
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 16: is the best director. I mean, I have a personal
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 16: like for Gilliam.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 16: His earlier stuff. I think he's gone a little far.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 16: And again, Terrence Malick and his earlier stuff.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: But just the.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 16: Amount of control that you get with Kubrick, just his
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 16: knowledge of the technique and in dealing with actors.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: just how much planning he put into everything, that he
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: would spend years of research before he even started a project.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was amazing.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 16: And apparently, you know, what I love is the story
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 16: about Spartacus, how he ended up taking over Spartacus, because
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 16: he was like, well.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: I can't do worse than anybody else.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 16: You know, every time I go to work on a film,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 16: shoot a film, I'm like, well, I can't be worse
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 16: than other people.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: So you might as well go full out for it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 16: But, you know, the lovely story, one of the stories
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 16: is they were looking for a specific lens.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 16: And It was a matter of, they were shooting with 35,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 16: and they needed a very specific adapter, and the lens
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 16: manufacturer comes.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: He's like, no, no, it doesn't exist. And he's like, no, no,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: it's in your catalog. Right here, right here, this page,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: right here.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 16: It's exactly what I need to just magnify the image
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 16: just enough to cover my shooting format ratio. And from
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 16: a technical side, I don't get that a lot with directors.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: And when I work with directors as a shooter, and.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 16: When I'm directing, it's funny because I don't want to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 16: know that much. I want to deal with that. I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 16: want to deal with the actors when you're directing. So
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 16: it's a monumental film. And then apparently he kept cutting
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 16: the film after it was released.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: That was a very Cooper thing to do.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 8: Which is.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Unusual anymore.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Once you're done with it now, they just take it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: away from you and you never see it again. So
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: the fact that he even had freedom to go back
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: and keep doing that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: Which is nice. It pays attention to the audience, but then.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 16: You kind of do have that, though, because you have
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 16: the director's cut, the extended cut.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Now we've moved into that category where there are so
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: many versions of movies out there now that sometimes it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: gets crazy.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know if I've seen that anymore.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: They've changed it six times.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: I think it kind of started with Fatal Attraction.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: No, no, the Sharon Stone. Oh, the Basic Instinct.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 16: Basic Instinct, where we see, we go down to the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 16: end of the film, and there's.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: An ice pick under the bed, and like, oh! And
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: then we come back and we do it again, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: the ice pick's gone. It's like, okay, make up your mind, guys.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Let's change it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, even Fatal Attraction, they had that alternate ending
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: that Adrian Lyons shot it one way, and then they went, well,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: that's not a very cheery ending. How about we go, like,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: after the test audience, they went back and totally.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Reshot that much more pleasing ending.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: At least audience i think yeah it's funny it's more
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: interesting the original ending but yeah the audience friendly ending
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: you don't.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 16: Get that anymore where you can like be you know
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 16: this is what it is it's it's um.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 22: Von schrier yeah i don't i don't really.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 16: Connect to his films but i i heard an interview
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 16: and i heard him being interviewed and he said something
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 16: really great which was If you're watching my movie and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 16: it's 15 minutes in and you don't understand it, get
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 16: the hell out.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: It's not for you. And I have just, like, tremendous
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: respect for that. It's, like, beautiful. That's what we.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Were saying earlier, that you have to, you know, conviction.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: You have to have that going into your project and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: follow through. And if you change too much, you lose
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: sight of the original idea and your movie suffers.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: I think so. You can't really cater. You have to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: pay attention to the audience.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 11: You can't.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: But then Kubrick did.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: It's not working.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 16: And I can see changing something, making this stronger, a
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 16: little weaker, but to go and change the whole ending,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 16: sell out.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: It's like in The Player. Yeah. No, but it tested badly.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: What happened to truth? I love that.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: There's another filmmaker that kind of, you know, did things
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: his own way for years there.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 16: Now we're off of 2001 Space Odyssey.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we veer off on many a project on this,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't surprise me.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 16: This has been very cool, and I want to thank you,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 16: but I'm going to let.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: You get back to podcasting.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: All right, all right.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks for sitting in with us here.
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  Speaker 4: Pleasure.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: Thanks a lot.
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  Speaker 1: No problem.
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  Speaker 9: All right, cool.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 18: Just a moment. I've just picked up a fault in
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 18: the AE-35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure within
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 18: 72 hours.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: All right, so obviously we're doing a little musical chairs
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: on this version of the sofa theater, but it's okay.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: It kind of makes it interesting. I was going to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: ask people as we went along what their thoughts were
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: on it, so it's okay to work into the middle
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: of it. I'm actually fine with that. So now we're
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: back to wrap it up with just Greg and myself.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: All right. The only opinions that matter.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Really, I mean. Well, Albert was pretty cool.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, why would we care what a director had.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 10: To say about it?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: No, no. Albert was pretty cool.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: He was pretty awesome. I probably could listen to him.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: His handler had to take him away.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: I could have listened to him all day. He has
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: some pretty cool stories.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: He's done a lot of movies and had some amazing experiences. So, yeah,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: I was glad to listen to everything he had for us.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: But time constraints at something like this.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: We'll do what we can.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Um, where were we? In outer space, somewhere drifting about.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: I think we really didn't delve into, we talked a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 10: little bit about it at the end and definitely about
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: the beginning, but we didn't talk about the mid-portion, the,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 10: I suppose, battle with HAL and just the actual exploration
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 10: out into space, right?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: Towards Jupiter, right?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: I was just going to go into some of the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: basic visuals. It's so amazing to look at it, and
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of that is space. There's some good shots
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: of the early Earth monkey stuff, but the bulk of
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: the movie is in space. You get a lot of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: really cool stuff, and I was looking at just some
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: of them. Some of them are even the understated ones.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: There's a shot pretty early on where the flight attendant
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: woman comes walking through that porthole, It's like this weird
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: orange portal that has several... It's layered. And again, somewhat realistically,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: as I guess it would have to be. But it's
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: layered with several different versions of the door having to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: seal itself, I guess. But it's just that the way
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: that it's set up and the layers in the door
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: was just such a cool shot. It's almost an entirely
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: orange shot.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: The doorway is orange. The hallway is kind of this
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: orange color.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: And she walks down in that powder blue looking outfit
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: or whatever. It's just such a cool set up on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: that shot.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Which, again, is nothing.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: It's just her getting, like, the tray, and then she does,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: it's when she does that weird upside-down walk.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, oh, yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: That shot is just, like, so cool, and it's just
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: a simple shot down the hallway there, but I think
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: that one, and then the tracking shot up. like later
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: on when you've got our two astronauts there and that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: the one guy's walking through it. I mean, I guess
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: the more, the big iconic one is like the one
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: where he's running, but I like the one after that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: where he's just walking and the camera's sort of in
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: front of him and kind of leading, but it's tracking
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: like with him before he moves every time.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: That's just a really cool shot. And the way that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: it features.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: the set, the big rounded set and everything is, is
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: really well, I mean, obviously, I mean, he does.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing but well done shots, but I mean, that one
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: in particular.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Looks so cool.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: It's, yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Any specific shots you like?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 10: I think visually, yes, though, you know, a lot of,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 10: like you said, those are iconic shots. I think visually
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 10: for me, though, it's, with several shots, it's how long
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 10: he chooses to linger and, on the shot and you
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 10: know other directors may cut away a little bit quicker
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: or pace it so that you're cutting away more quickly
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: but there are times where you know Hal will deliver
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 10: a line or one of the astronauts will deliver a
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: line and it'll just hold for a few moments and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 10: almost lets you process how it looks how it feels
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 10: everything is at such a slow pace and.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: You know, even when he's running, everything's at such a.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: Slow pace and is so fluid that.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: It's almost that feeling.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: We've never really even had anyone in deep space. You've got,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: what was it, another year before with the moon mission.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: And he's already.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 10: Making camera shots and reacting on how someone would have
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: to react. I mean, I know the technology was there
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: and the theories were there, but how a body would
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: almost react and that You see videos of astronauts now
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: from the space shuttle, and everything seems to be so
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 10: fluid and so.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: Almost dance-like in space. And he had that down, not.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: Perfectly, but that's a vision that he captured that I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 10: don't think most people would be.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: Able to do.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying before.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: It was interesting how much he was sort of ahead
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: of his time with that vision. That, I mean, you
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: do see, again, all that stuff was there in its
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: infancy in the space project at that point. But, I mean,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: you look at some of the basics of stuff that's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: now up and running. right the the yeah i mean
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: the the commonplace way that they handle it in this
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: movie is how it kind of became in like those
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: in the space shuttle years you know when we really
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: were making trips up there all the time and they
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: did have basic stuff that they just did day in
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: and day out that it it does sort of capture
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: that and it's already looking at things like you know
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: like you see him like tanning more or less but
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: i'm assuming it's one of those you're going to lose
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: so many vitamins not being exposed to the sun on Earth.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: It's like you're going to start having issues like that.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was in the book.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they mentioned that kind of stuff,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: but just that attention to detail that they start putting
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: that stuff in the story that far ahead of time.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Now we are physically dealing with that stuff when we
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: go in space, but we hadn't figured most of that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: out this early. It's funny how just ahead of its
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: time it kind of was on a lot of those.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: while equally being you know the most backwards looking video
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: monitors it's so funny that's such a telling thing on
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: any dated sci-fi is like looking at the video how
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: like just ridiculous it is compared to how you know
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: the way this stuff is now granted they could have
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: never even imagined you know the just a picture perfect
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: version that you know our displays are now compared to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: what they had back then but.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: It is funny the room that he had to go
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 10: into for the telephone call yeah back home.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Well again I was thinking that's another one that I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: mean I guess they'd pose that sort of thing for
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: years but again I mean we have that now I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: mean you've got video chat that's pretty much exactly like
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: what he did and this was 68 you know it's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: like it's yeah it's amazing how you know Again, I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: guess they've been throwing dream projects like that out there
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: forever in science fiction, but it's funny how much of
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: it we've caught up with now. I was even looking
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: on the flight to the moon, them having the little
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: video monitors in front of the seats. I was like,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: that's what normal flights on Earth are like now. I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: guess it took a lot of money being thrown at
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: it by Pan Am, by all the companies that now
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: all you need is money to fuel all these crazy projects.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 12: Perfect.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of funny. No, no, no. Do we
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: just want to go into how?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: We certainly can.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: It certainly becomes a big portion of the movie.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: At least that, to me, is almost the most fascinating
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: part of the movie, is the how portion of it.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: And that, aside from just the spectacle of the film,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: which I guess there really are two parts to it.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: There's the spectacle of the film, the sound, the visuals...
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: the direction, everything, and then on top of that, which
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: are all A +.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: Then on top of that, you have the theoretical discussion.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Of what is this, what is life, what is intelligence,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: what is a tool, as I was talking with earlier.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: Hal is still just a tool to us.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, on some level he is, unless you get
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: into that consciousness.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it does raise that question of, At what
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: point do we make machines that, you know, how good
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: is your computer that it gets to the point of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: processing like a human brain? And when it gets to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: that point, is there some type of, you know, consciousness
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: that sets in?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it even.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Theoretically possible to have a mechanical brain take on, you know,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: basically what human beings are?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: And.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: What extension of that is it?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: Yes, he's the computer and he's the life support system
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: for the humans. Everything about the ship is how the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 10: computer then does become the ship. He is the sustaining
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: mechanism for their life. And so they're now tied together.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 10: And then that realization that, oh.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: I don't need them anymore.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 10: And like I said before, we were something that he
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 10: could discard.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: He had outlived his usefulness.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 10: The machines had now outlived their usefulness for the human beings.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 10: And well, let's just discard them and I'll be able
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 10: to complete my mission or do whatever I need to do.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Once they're gone it becomes in watching it this last
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: time it really it struck a chord in me very
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: similar to what kind of alien became like it became
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: a very and i don't know i don't know if
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: i'd noticed this in the past where it became very
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: like must follow orders and the orders themselves are more
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: important than the pieces involved so you get like when
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: when the they're synthetic decides that you know i need
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: to make sure this gets back home right that's my
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: top priority You people are not important compared to my
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: top priority. My, you know, mission is to get this
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: done at whatever cost.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: And his became kind of like that, too. And I
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: don't know that they put that, you know, I don't
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: know that they put that in his head. I don't
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: know if it was, you know, you get this done
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: no matter what, even if you have to kill him.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that was more of they just,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: you know, more of a computer thing. Like, he had
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: his mission that the higher-ups had given him his mission
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: without even telling the astronauts.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: So then in his processing and his messed up brain
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: as it goes on and as his consciousness gets kind
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: of a little off, so in that, did he start
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: to assess that my mission is more important than the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: human beings I'm taking.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Care of the whole way?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 14: I don't know.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, it does become the most.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: important part really i mean you can go into the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: whole wrap-up if you want of like the whole what
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: do you make of the end kind of thing which
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: i think there's no point to that i mean that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: is sort of a just you do what you want
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: like even eventually kubrick said that's what i want people
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: to do is sort of take the end of it
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: and make whatever you want out of it you know
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: the whole crazy light trip that star child i think
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: he just wanted to sort of leave that up in
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: the air right I think it is the most important
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: part of it. I think HAL is what sort of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: takes the rest of it up to another level.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: It could just be a basic science fiction movie.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: About them stranded in space or something else, but it's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: like that HAL aspect really ups the ante and takes
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: it to... then it goes from just being a movie
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: that you watch to a movie that you think about
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: and a movie that makes you ask questions of, you know,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: what is life and what is artificial life and what
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: is consciousness of, you know, once we create all these
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: machines and the tools and, you know, what exactly is
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: our responsibility as far as, like, using tools and then
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: not letting them get out of hand.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: And take on.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: And our dependence on them.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: And then what we become....
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 10: Right without them can we be anything without them yeah it's.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: And the more we advance the more we like sort
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: of set ourselves back i have seen that mentioned too
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: that like we go from that dawn of man in
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: the beginning and then by the time we get to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: space we're kind of like in our infancy again it's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: like we can't walk we're eating mush food we're like
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: you know everything about us is like once we leave
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: earth's atmosphere we're back to like being a baby like
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: we don't know how to operate everything is is awkward
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: and weird and we're still learning everything.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: As we get out there.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: So it also has that aspect kind of thrown in
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: there that's kind of interesting.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: Which is, I mean, again, it's all about evolution.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: Becoming the next thing and pushing yourself beyond those limits.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 10: You know, when they are in, you know, the 1999
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 10: scene when they're going up to the moon, they seem
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 10: extremely comfortable. They're... I think they all feel safe. They
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 10: all feel, oh, this is common. We're just kind of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: hanging out. And when you see that monolith again, you
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 10: can tell, oh, they're unsettled.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: It's like he touches it the.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: Same way that ape touched it how many million years
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: ago or whatever it was. It's like all of a
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: sudden it gets taken right back to day one. We're
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: starting over now. We thought we knew everything. We don't
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: know anything.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: And we're now, like you said, infants again.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 10: Because the next part of the movie is when they're
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 10: out heading towards Jupiter and, like you said, their dependence
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 10: on machines, their dependence on everything.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: Like a baby.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 10: And once they're able to overcome that need for it
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 10: and stop it and walk on their own, essentially, that's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 10: when he's able.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: To evolve again.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 10: If that's what you think is happening at the very end,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 10: into the next part of what man is.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: It is interesting, they do sort of.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out, so, what this step
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: is supposed to be, and, like, who is controlling it. Like,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: assuming we're supposed to think that aliens came and planted this, so, like,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: we've got it on Earth in the beginning, so did
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: they relocate it?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the way I was thinking,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: is then.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Once they've made their mark, because they also kind of
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: take it up to the next level.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Then, too.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: They're completely animal-like. They don't have that higher thought, really.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: All they do is eat and procreate, and that's, you know,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: animalistic behaviors. And when they come in contact with the monolith, it, like,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: takes us up the next notch. And all of a sudden, then,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: there's a little bit of reason. There's a little bit of,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: you know... Finding a way that wasn't there when we
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: were just animals. And then it's like we get to that.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: So they're like, okay, they're at that point.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: We've gotten them there.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Now we'll let them progress on their own from here.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: But we need like a... An indicator when they get
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: ready for the next level.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: A marker.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: So it's like when they make it to the moon,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: like we're going to put it so far out that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: they have to progress all the way up through all
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: these other levels.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: And when they get to the point where they can
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: leave their planet, they might be ready for the next
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: level of evolution or whatever it is, you know. Assuming
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: that these are aliens or, I don't know, a supreme being.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it could be a deity. Yeah, it could be anything.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: However you want to look at that, really.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: But I think that was always kind of interesting, that
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: they put it at the next spot. Like, the furthest
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: part that we could possibly get to, but also shows
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: that we progressed quite a bit from the apes that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: we were.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 10: I mean, you can look at it as either a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 10: marker that is left, like a waypoint.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: Okay, they've passed this.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: Or it could be.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 10: them actually inserting themselves into the situation, you know, like
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 10: we're just going to leave a clue for them to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 10: now uncover. So like I said, either it's a marker
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: that we're supposed to find or it's a prodding, like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 10: they recognize from afar.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: Okay, they're ready, now we leave this.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: And they keep sending us.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Like, it's like we find the first one on Earth,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: and then once we progress, we get and find it
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: on the Moon. But then that one, they're beaming to Jupiter.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: So the next stage is, they want us to go
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: to Jupiter. Whoever, whatever this thing is, it keeps sending
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: us to that next level.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: It is, yeah, it's kind of interesting that it really
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: does show sort of these stages of evolution kind of idea.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: It also makes you want to ask what's next. But
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: unfortunately in.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: 2010... It's just a different movie. It's not a bad movie.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: It's just it takes a different turn. It's certainly not Kubrick,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: so it's a very different movie.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched that one in a while.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to go back and revisit that
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: as like a separate, like not even really connecting the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: two anymore than it's sort of.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Based on that general idea. But yeah, not really in
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: No, not even the same ballpark at all.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the only other thing was
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: just the howl. Just touching on howl.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: I think that's probably one of the on one hand
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: creepiest aspects. When you've got that knowing voice talking to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: you very slowly and calmly and self-assured that what's going
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: on and it's just like It's really cool that it's like...
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it sets it up in such a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: creepy way that it's awesome.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it definitely.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 10: It has an attitude and an ego that it.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: Believes that it's better. And that's the part that.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: I don't even know if it's better. It just feels self-assured.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: It feels like it's right all the time. It knows
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: itself in its rightness, and it's like it doesn't doubt himself.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: It does doubt humans, though.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Even in the beginning, it's doubting humans, and everything's human error.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: So it's like it knows it's infallible, which means, oh,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: any problem must be human-related.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: The other thing is that Bobby Carradine stopped by and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: messed up the podcast.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: We're talking about 2001. Yeah. And 2011. Space idiocy. You
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: said that one. Thank you.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: He is pretty awesome. We can ask all the nerds
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: what they think.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: Of the movie.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys. Hey, how you doing?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what we were doing.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Before Robert Carradine came along and awesomely messed up the podcast.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: You're going to have to piece this one together. It's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: going to be great.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I mean, I think that part's cool.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: And another nerd interrupts the podcast.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of nerds.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: But it is interesting that, I mean, they work, and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: he uses the visuals that same way, that very imposing
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: shot of the eye. And then you get the fisheye
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: version from inside of him that, like, they're both really
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: kind of creepy in a way. And you do, especially
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: from the fisheye version, it's like you get that look
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: of you always feel like he's watching them. Like, they're always,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: it does almost take on, like, a horror aspect at
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: that moment that they're always being watched. This creepy person's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: watching what they're doing, especially when there enters, like, one
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: of the most interesting parts of it is when you
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: get that mistrust.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden the guy's like, I need
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: to talk to you over here. And you know, like
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: even the watch, you're sitting at home watching and you're like,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think, you know, I don't think there's a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: problem in that pot.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, and as they get there, you realize, okay, yeah,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: they don't trust what's going on here.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: And they're taking these great lengths to make sure that they're,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: you know, not going to... It's funny that they are
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: treating him enough like a person that they don't want
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: to say anything in front of him. Then they do
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: that realization of, I don't know how he would take it.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: That's a great stopping point where it does actually hit
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: that little intermission.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: It does set up that whole second half of the
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: movie of, uh-oh, what's going to happen.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: When we decide to do this?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: He does great just pacing that and then such a
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: good job of making how... likable but at the same
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: time kind of creepy and kind of overpowering and even
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: sad like in the end when he starts breaking down
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: and winding down and the other ones get kind of
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: creepy but that very first time that he I think
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: he actually says he says I'm afraid and that's kind
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: of creepy on one hand that the machine is saying
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: but it's also just sad you do almost feel like
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: this was a sentient being this was something kind of
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: alive and you're kind of listening to him die.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 10: Or he is using that as a ploy it might
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 10: be a defense mechanism as well so.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: You don't know that's what the crazy part is you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: don't know he.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: Starts getting out of it though he starts getting kind
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: of loopy and it's like to me at that point
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: it probably was real like I read it as like
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: it felt very sincere you know as much as a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: computer can be sincere it felt that way and.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 10: Then what's what's on top of that the last thing
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 10: that he reverts back to is a child's song you
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 10: know singing it the first thing that he learned.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: The first thing again sort of reverting back to that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: infancy and like the very first thing that he learned
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: when he turned him on he starts going back to that.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: That's the part right there that always really.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 10: Unsettled me was that he was he was very childlike
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 10: in that moment yeah.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah But yeah, I think that's kind of the.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: One of the best things that they do with it
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: is just the thing with Hal and sort of showing
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: his evolution and then having to deal with him as
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: an actual being, more or less.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's probably my favorite part.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: As for the end, again, I don't see any point
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: in trying to pinpoint that because even Kubrick didn't want
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: to pinpoint that.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: It's hard. It would be hard to.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 10: Even point someone in the direction of what you think.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: Is going on.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just one of those watch it and take
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: what you want from it.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: And leave it at that.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I think that will round out 2001.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: So thanks for our couple of special guests for working
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: in the middle there. It's been quite a run of
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: trying to get it in the middle of all this craziness.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: But it was good to have Albert on. We definitely
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: liked having him sit in for it. Otherwise, I guess
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: we will take a break and be back at whatever
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: else we run into down the line.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 11: Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer too. I'm half crazy.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: All for the love of you.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 9: And now before the next show starts let's enjoy an intermission.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 14: Mommy yes dear mommy i want to hear smith nick
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 14: tan's wonderful songs do you dear yes mommy what can
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 14: i do Well, dear, you can go to www.nictan.co.uk. Will
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 14: there be details of his gigs there too, Mummy? Yes, dear.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 14: Will there be pictures of him and his instruments? Oh, Mummy,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 14: please say yes.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: Yes, dear.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 14: Will there be widgets too, to click on? You know,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 14: those ones that link to his blogs and his podcasts?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, dear.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 14: And links to his friends' websites too?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: Yes, dear.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: Mummy?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, dear.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: Are there links to simply everything that Nick Tan does there?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, dear.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 14: What was the address again, Mummy dearest? www.nictan.co.uk Oh, thank you, Mummy.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 14: Thank you so very much.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 20: That was like a weird moment.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 7: Do you need to discuss this?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Alright, Misty's here. What do you got to tell us?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: I feel dirty. John Carpenter just winked at me in
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: a very weird, strange way. I might cry because I
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: feel very violated.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Not everybody gets winked at by John Carpenter.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 8: You didn't see the look in his eye as he
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 8: winked it at me.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Even more impressive. You should be pretty pleased with yourself
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: No, I feel icky. You didn't see it, did you?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't. You saw it, didn't you?
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, I saw it in it. it was kind
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: of creepy because you don't really know what he's trying
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: to say.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: With the wings.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: See you later.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: It was behind Jay's back, which was even better. I
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 7: hope so.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: I hope he knows what he's doing.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I just.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: I want to go home and take a shower now,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 8: except that we just got here. Wow. Yeah, I feel creepy.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Alrighty.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and dirty.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: My eyes watered a little bit.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, weird.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 11: Oh, man.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 23: Maybe uncomfortable.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: Alrighty.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 8: So, yay! What a way to start off the day. Okay,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: I don't know what movie you all.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Well, truthfully, I was going to, at the end, I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: was going to have the opposite opinion. To do our
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: balance of opinions here, we'll work this in now that
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: we're done with our discussion.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: This week we talked about.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: I'll let you finish taking a drink before there's a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: spit taking off.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: This week we talked about 2001.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck that movie. Misty, would you like to elaborate
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: and talk about your feelings on 2001? I fucking hate
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: that movie.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 8: It was one of the most painful movies I ever
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 8: attempted to sit through. I got through about 15 minutes,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 8: and then I was just yelling. I was like, fucking
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 8: turn this off before I kill somebody, because I cannot
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 8: watch this.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't, and I won't.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 14: I made it.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 8: Through by the monkeys, and by the time I got
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 8: to the ship, I was just like, dude, fuck this movie.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: I will never watch that movie. Ever, ever, ever.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: This is why I didn't work her into the scenario
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: earlier because, yeah.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: It would not be safe. It would not. And then, yeah. So, yeah.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 8: That girl is freakish as hell. We saw her wandering
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 8: around in the parking lot for an hour. She just
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: wandered around like she was lost.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: She probably was.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 12: She's like a giraffe.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: She kind of looked like she was lost now.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 16: I'm telling you.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: She's a giraffe.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: Anything else you want to say to wrap up your
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: love of 2001?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: I fucking hate that movie.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: I fucking hate that movie. I want to punch that
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 8: movie in the face and then, like... stabbed pencils in
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: his eyes and then i don't know.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: I respectfully disagree with your opinion but you are entitled
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: to it so i wanted to put that out there
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: that we're not just totally you know just in love
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: with 2001 that we regret yes kubrick is a genius
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: but there are other takes on the on the on
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: the movie many people speaking of.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: Kubrick i want to mention something real quick They are
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: doing a Clockwork Orange musical.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Like, stage play, or they're going to turn it into
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: a movie?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: No, stage play. They are doing a stage play version
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: of Clockwork Orange.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: Well, just the singing in the rain part, I guess
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: they were opening the door right.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Off the bat there.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: Alright, that's all I have.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Kubrick would probably not be pleased with that.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not, so I feel like I feel for him
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: at this point. But yeah, I wanted to put an
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: opposing opinion in there on that. We weren't totally just like,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: in love with kubrick so much we were going to
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: completely i'm sure a lot of people out there have
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: a very opposite view on it than i do so.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: I'm very hit and miss with kubrick in the first
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 8: place i only like like a handful of his movies
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 8: the rest of them i could completely do without.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I see so i i wanted to put the opposing
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: opinion in there so like.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: Lolita he did lolita right yes he did uh clockwork
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: orange i was okay with that um.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I hated eyes wide shut a lot of people have
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: issues with that one I really.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: Can't think of that many more movies.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: The Shining.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: Oh, Shining's fucking awesome.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Shining's amazing, yeah. Yeah, I love that one.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: Not the remake with that kid that can't close his mouth, though.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I don't like that kid.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: He cannot close his fucking mouth. And you don't put
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 8: the guy from Wings in a Shining movie.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: You know, the guy from Wings isn't a bad actor,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: but you just can't take him seriously after Wings.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: It's his own fault for being on Wings, because then
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: after that you're just like, well, yeah, but you're still
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: that guy from Wings.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 8: I have no respect for anybody that was ever on Wings.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: They're not bad.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I don't hate Wings.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: It's just, yeah, you can't take them seriously. They were
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: all wrong.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 8: Can I get a shirt that says John Carpenter wig tip?
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: As long as you make it, yes.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 14: Yes, you can.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: For now, you have to deal with ours.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 8: We did, and it was creepy.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. We haven't gone into this. We should just
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: do all of this on the show. Do you want
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: to discuss it right now?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: If we're going to tell the story, tell the story.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: Was I awake for this?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Was I here? I'm pretty sure you were here.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: Why did I not see this? I don't know, you
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: were beside me.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Is that not paying attention?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: Probably not, you usually don't. Are we recording right now?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I believe we are.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 8: Are we going to talk about the smackdown that almost
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: went down?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: I believe we should.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: I don't even know, I apparently wasn't there.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: You were totally there, dude.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: Tell me you're reacting.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: If somebody, yeah, whoever wants to.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: It's not really that exciting of a story. We were
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 8: standing here at the table, and lo and behold, Tiffany
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 8: Shepis stopped at the table.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll put it in this context. We're across from
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: the cash bar, so we've seen Tiffany a couple of times.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: At least she didn't wink at me.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Tiffany seems like a very nice girl. I'll say that.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: She seems nice enough. I've even liked her in several
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: of her movies.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: I've not seen a movie of hers ever.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: Misty has a different take on it because they have some.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Friction going here.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: That she doesn't know about.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiffany didn't seem aware of it, but Misty was like.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: You've got beef. One-way beef.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, for one, she was married to the guy.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: I've seen her at several conventions. You'd think she would
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 8: at least notice that his face is.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 16: On my lip.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're not familiar with that, I believe. They
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: were definitely together. I believe her and Corey Haim were
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: married for a short while.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: See, I don't recall actually being married, just dating.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Can we look it up? Let's confirm this story.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: I can confirm it.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: That guy has fantastic big hairline.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: You can go on and tell your story, and we'll
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: come back to the fact of it.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: But they were together, at least. We know that.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 8: Well, anyway, she stopped at the table, and then they come.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 8: What did she stop at the table for?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: She liked, again, like everybody else, she liked the t-shirt.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: So she stopped by, and she kind of did the
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: same usual, that's awesome. And then we were like, well,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: you know, that's a true story. So she seemed to
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: think that was kind of cool, and she talked for
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: a couple of seconds there, and then headed out to,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: She didn't even notice my death glare.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: She went to go to the cool kid's smoking area,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: wherever she was going, I don't know. She walked out
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: the door to the outside part, so... And then Misty, yeah,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: as she left, there was the grrr.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 8: The death glare that she totally didn't even notice. I mean,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: is she oblivious to the death glare? Usually people at
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: least feel it, but she just, no idea whatsoever.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: When you're a movie star, you know, everything just kind
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: of blows past you. You live in your own movie
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: star world.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: I don't understand.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: Am I losing my touch? Is that what it is?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, usually.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: Did my death glare get lost in her hair? I
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 8: don't understand. It was quite big. And a lot of hairspray.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: It might have got stuck in the web of her hair.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Now you are trying to start shit.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 14: I am, totally.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: We don't talk shit about a girl's hair.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: It looks crispy. I can totally take her. I don't know.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: I can't take her.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 8: I still want to punch her in the face, but
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 8: that's okay.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Again, I've been impressed with her in movies.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: I think I went in knowing.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: Of her more, knowing her reputation and the type of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: movies she used to do and kind of went in
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: with a bad take on it and The few that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: I've watched, I've actually been impressed with her acting.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how she'd take it into account.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, so here's the story. Right, they were engaged to
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: get married.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 10: And she moved him away from Hollywood to get him
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 10: out of the scene.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 12: And then after the fact, broke up with him.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 8: Terrible, he died. I'm holding her and filming personally responsible.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: The quote says that he's charming but has a lot
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: of issues.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we know that's true. So am I.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: That might be like the motto of the show. I
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 7: hate fist bumps.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 10: I reach out to shake someone's hand and have a
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 10: handful of rings with skulls on them.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 7: Was there a fist bump?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: I was looking down.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: No, you got a fist bump. I got a fist bump.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to do it, but then I would
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: be totally... dissing the.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: Guy so i guess you do what you gotta do
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: i kind of broke my own uh your code code
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: yeah well see you should have done it to misty
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: because misty not only likes them but she likes the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: variations oh this.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: One had like skull rings involved.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: Her and marlena went into like a 15 minute versions
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: of different one marlena's like the expert she had all
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: kinds of different ones.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Down So, yeah, you'll have to go, you know.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: Catch him in physical form.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 8: I might catch something from that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: Oh, nice. He's going to listen to the episode and go, Oh.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: Man, those guys are dicks. We are dicks. We kind
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: of are.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 8: I am.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: We were trying to explain that yesterday.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: No, I.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: I'll say this.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 10: Fist bumps are completely cool with certain people. I'm just
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 10: not cool enough to pull them off.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: I fist bump ironically.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 7: Okay. But not in a hipster way.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: What a hipster.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 8: I'm not a hipster. If there's anything I hate worse
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 8: than fist bumps, it's fucking hipsters.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: You're going to have to stop doing it ironically. I
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: don't think you can do anything ironically at this point.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 8: I did it ironically before they did it ironically.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: I was ironic before it was hip to be ironic.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 10: I think we ought to invent a new one and
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 10: just walk up and start kicking people in the shins.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: Like, dude, I was being nice.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: I'm kicking you in the shin.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: You're so uncool.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: God. Jerk.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: That's kind of hipster too from what I've heard from Marlena.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I'm staying out of the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: hipster scene.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 8: Are you done with me now?
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: We can save other crazy stories.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: For later.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 8: I don't know if I have any other crazy stories.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 8: I took candy from a stranger.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: First cookies, now candy? It wasn't really candy. It was like.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 8: A nut cluster.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: That seems like trouble right now.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: Orange and cashews.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: This girl was really excited, though, and she also had
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: my love for White Castle, and she loves the mozzarella
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: sticks from Arby's. We bonded over food items.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: You were bonding with a lot.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: Of people yesterday. Not only two. One of them was awesome.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: I don't know the other one.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 8: I don't know the other one's name, either. I didn't
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 8: introduce myself. We just talked about White Castle and Arby's,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: and then she gave me some nuts.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: As a general rule, though, I'd say if someone offers
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: you nuts, you should probably be kind of leery.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: Plain nuts are okay, but when they're in clusters, especially.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: If they're homemade.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: They were in a bag.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 8: You just shouldn't make them.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: They weren't homemade.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: They were bought.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: They were in a big, large bag.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: I guess, but so were those cookies. I'm still pretty
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: sure he poisoned me, so I don't know. You've got
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: to be careful what you're taking from strangers.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: You've been having strange dreams since.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just, I'm dying.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's a slow progression, but it's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: getting closer to the end.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 8: What do you call cheese that isn't yours?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: The only show other than that that I would listen to.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: Nacho cheese!
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to set you up. It's not like
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what you were going to say.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: She was going to sit there ready to explode forever.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 8: I'm going to swap it with nachos. I can't help it.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 8: You can't walk nachos in front of me and not
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: expect that joke, goddammit.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: You know who also tells that joke? Hannah Montana's dad.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: That became a running joke within the episode is that's
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: Billy's favorite joke to tell the cool kids to show
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: that he's cool.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: So.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: You're right up there with Billy Ray Cyrus. Yay for me.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I thought that might put a stop to it.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 8: No, it's not going to stop it, though.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Do you like being in the company of Billy Ray Cyrus?
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 8: I don't mind, really. I mean, he's got a lot
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: of money.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Only because Hannah made it for him.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 7: I know, I don't care.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 14: I think a lot.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: It's totally on my energy player.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure he totally pissed away his achy, breaky
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: money years ago. If Hannah wouldn't have come along, he'd
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: be by the side of the road somewhere.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: I'd give him a ride somewhere. I'd pick him up.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: Take him to get a real haircut.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: I think he'd probably be more of a cracker barrel guy.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: He'd be working it. He'd be hosting. Can I show
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: you your seat?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 11: Ponderous.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Ponderous.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: I love Ponderous.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I like it a lot.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: More like the diamond yeah not the pyramid but the
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: diamond shaped one is that see we're showing our nerd ignorance.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: Here well i've got a nine that's a that's that's
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 10: kind of a prism.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: Shaped yeah see those i would think you would then
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: get the flat side so you'd be more of the
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: pyramid again.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah I just admitted that I had one.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: I have never in my entire life owned a dice
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: that had more or less than six sides.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: You are kind of losing geek cred now.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: No, that's a different kind of geek. That's giving me
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: cool cred. That's taking away.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: My geek cred. That's true. You're losing your nerd points,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: but you just got a little cooler again.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: Did you see that girl's ass? It was like brown.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: But now, I think... Come here, let's get that on
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 7: the podcast.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow. It was like two honeydew melons. It was
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 8: freakishly round.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue with you.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 10: I think we've got to just put a microphone in
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: front of Misty and let her rip on people.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: That's what we did last year. That's why Jodi was
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 8: then shocked that I called her my lady.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 8: I was making fun of that one girl for not
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: putting her outfit together.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: That was two years ago was the sad part. We've
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good times.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: Oh, she's dancing again.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 10: Well, they're doing it through headphones because we told them
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 10: to turn it down.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: We're jerks.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: You know, it's really cute when the girl dances, but
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: it's kind of creepy and sad when the boy does
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: it with her.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: He's kind of a.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: Ginger at the same time, so that all medically loses points.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: And he's got little freckles, too. You know I don't
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: fucking like freckles or ginger.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are your specific issues that you have. I'm
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: not really big on.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: Fingerless or loves, either.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 21: I can't tell.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: If she has them.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, as the update goes, the girl in the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: cat ears from before is now moved on to a mask.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: She's got some sort of beanie cap going. No, it's
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: just a baseball cap. She's just got it sideways because
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: she's cool. She's one of the cool kids.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: And, yeah, now she's got a feathered mask on that
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: is continuing the dancing. So just so you guys know,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: I know you were worried, is the cat girl still dancing?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 18: No.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: She's not a cat girl anymore. She's a mask girl.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: And yes, she is in fact still dancing.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like choreographed line dancing of club dancing. I
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 8: don't understand.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a mixture between two-stepping and some sort of
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: club dance.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: You can hear Jay earlier make fun of all the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: Bobo Fats we've seen today. Bobo Fats and Jangle Fats.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Classy as always. He did. He was calling it.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, which one did you see earlier, Greg?
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: Which one did you see earlier that was a heavyset
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Star Wars character?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: Oh, it was a clone trooper. Yeah, and he.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: He wasn't a Bobo Fett or a Gandalf Fett?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: It was definitely of the, he was a cloned fat,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: so yeah. But he looked like he ate a little bit.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with the heavyset people of
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 7: The problem is I think they make them, you know.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: I like that we all shut down.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: That makes it more subtle.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 8: I know we all stop and stare as Edward for
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: a long, you know, moseys by. I choked on my
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 8: own spit there.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's plastic.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: I should have said, I still love his daddy.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: He should have said that to his career. He's like,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: I fucking hate fans.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: Can you come over here and whine into the podcast
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: for us? I don't want to be a hater. He's
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: a lot shorter.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: Than I thought he was going to be, too.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: Oh, no, I pictured him as short.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 10: Oh, he's got some greasy-looking hair and all that.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: Did you see Edward Furlong walk by?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah. This is where all the celebrities walk by.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're kind of the hotbed of the whole world.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: You didn't wink at me.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 23: No.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: You're the cool section.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 10: But as I was saying about the clone trooper, no,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 10: you can always interrupt me for Edward Furlong. When they
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 10: had them custom-built to match the scale of the clone trooper.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: problem is on.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 10: A bigger guy there's gaps in the armor there's just like.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 8: Spots that you need to have it fit to their specification.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: Right yeah you missed the one in Chicago last year
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: that had like two flight suits sewn together to make
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: him a rebel flight pilot it was It was interesting
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: just to see that that could be done.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: So he had to buy two of them so that
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: he could make one?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: Again, more power to the guy. I mean, he was
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: that much of a fan that, I mean, he did that. But,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was just like, that's a lot of work.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: They don't make a Porkins costume? That's the thing.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: Because he wasn't playing Porkins. I'm like, dude, how can
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: you not?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, you're missing the best opportunity.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 10: I am going to start selling sci-fi Porkins costumes.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: They really should.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: Because that would go over really well.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be useful. There's a market for it
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: out there. Anything else we need to.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: Hit whilst you're here?
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: He walks kind of funny.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 7: He looks like he's struggling, doesn't he? Like, oh my god,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: I can't believe I'm here.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Well, when we walked in the room yesterday.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 22: There was nobody.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: At his table.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: Oh, I feel sad now. I'm going to go hang
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: out with him. I'm going to go see if he
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: wants a Twinkie or something.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 8: I've got some Pringles.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: He might like Pringles.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 18: Huh?
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Pringles are pretty awesome.
• 1:56:36
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• 1:56:50
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• 1:56:58
  Speaker 17: All right, we're here with Marlena to work in some
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 17: more geek activities.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 21: Pretty much the only things I've watched or done this week.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 21: I saw Horrible Bosses. I thought it was really funny.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 21: Maybe it's a little bit tired, but I love Jason
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 21: Bateman's delivery. He was just so serious. I think one
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 21: of the best... I cracked up laughing. No one else
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 21: really got it, but for me it was hilarious. Jason
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 21: Sudeikis' character was like, I'd like to bend her over
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 21: a barrel and show her the 50 states. And he
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 21: was like, he just stared at him and he goes, no,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 21: that's a saying. He's like, actually, I don't, I don't
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 21: think it is. Like, I just, I love that like dry,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 21: like condescending, almost humor.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 12: Um, he's like made.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: A career of that in the last 10, 15 years.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 21: I mean, that's just how he is. It's how he
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 21: was in Arrested Development. Like his, I just love his delivery.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 21: It just kills me. Uh, I've been watching a lot
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 21: of Wizards of Waverly Place, which Brian is really excited about.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: And he, was like, finally, something I can talk about.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: A show for me. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 21: And I mean, it's a really entertaining show. I told
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 21: one of my friends, I was like, I'm watching Wizards
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 21: of Waverly Place right now, and he was like, really?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 21: He made fun of me, and I was like, you
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 21: don't understand. It's a really good show.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: I believe On one of my online portfolio type things,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: it had some sort of goofy thing that was like
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: the most ridiculous thing you're willing to admit. And I
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: was like, Wizards of Waverly Place is a good show.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: There, I said it, damn it. It's like coming clean.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: It's like coming out to the world with your horrible,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: horrible secret.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: But you know what? I don't care. It's damned entertaining.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 21: I mean, really, it's a good show. Although Alex, she's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 21: an awful human being.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: She really is.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 21: She's just terrible. Like, she's the most selfish, like, awful
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 21: person ever.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: And yet that's why we decided we like her the most.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: No wonder all of us. And Misty, I think that's
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: what really sells it for Misty.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: She likes it. She's awful. Mostly because she's just mean
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 21: Yeah, she's a terrible person. I mean, it's just like...
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 21: It's hard. I mean, Selena Gomez is cute, and I hope,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 21: hope she's not like that in real life. But it just, like,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 21: as much as I like her character, I don't like
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 21: her at all.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: She seems the complete opposite in the real world. It's strange.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 21: How much in the first season, and why isn't Harper
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 21: on most of the episodes?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: They probably haven't worked her in officially yet.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 8: Well, no.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 21: Well, I mean, is the season out of sync? Because
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 21: she was in the first, like, six episodes I saw,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 21: and now, like.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 21: Episode 8, 9, 10, or whatever.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 19: I don't know.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 21: She's not in those.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's when she was off shooting Harriet the Spy 2.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not making that up. She made a Disney movie.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: It's sad that I know.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: She made a Disney movie that was the continuing story
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: of Harriet the Spy.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 21: I'm watching it on Netflix, and I'm just watching it
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 21: in sequence, and I'm really confused because at first, like,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 21: Justin's dating Miranda, and then an episode I watched last night,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 21: It's the episode where he meets her. So I'm really confused.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: They're just messing with you now.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 21: I think so. It's either Disney Channel or Netflix are
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 21: trying to get to me. But, yeah, that's about all
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 21: I have to say for that show. It's a good show,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 21: even though her character is just an awful, awful person.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: That's the best part.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 21: She needs to be put in jail.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually we all kind of assume that she will,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: if the characters were real.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 21: Even in one episode, that's what our dad told her.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 21: He told her she would end up in jail. I
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 21: fully believe it. Actually, people like that, people with no
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 21: human compassion or concern for anyone other than themselves, usually
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 21: become nurses.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: Dentists?
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 21: Not even dentists. No, nurses. They become nurses.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 11: Lawyers?
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 21: No, nurses.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 11: Damn it.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: Seriously.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Seriously.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 21: Like, you would think it's dentists and lawyers, people with
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 21: the careers that.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Movie producers?
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 21: People who lack human compassion. Sadly enough, it's nurses.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not making that up.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 21: No offense to your sister.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we can kind of call out nurses because I
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: am directly connected to one.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: Although, she has found something useful to do with it.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She seems to be okay with it.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: Good for her.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: Anything else on the weekend you need.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: To pass on?
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 21: I'm sure something really funny happened or a really weird person.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 21: There was a guy that came up earlier and he
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 21: was like, I was going to order the iced tea.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 21: No ice and no tea or something like that.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: That's only a dollar. I think that's how you wrap
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 21: That doesn't even make any sense. Do you hear yourself talk?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are drunk, I hate to say.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's several times this weekend I've had people
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: just come up and start kind of saying things that
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: are sort of nonsensical. There was a guy this morning,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: and he was a nice enough guy, I'll give him that,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: but just sat down for about 20 minutes and told
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: me what he bought the day before.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 21: Do you think I'm someone else?
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: Again, I don't think he gets out much. He was
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: an older gentleman.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: And I don't think he comes in contact with people
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: a lot, so he got all excited, and he had
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: to tell me, and granted, he got some cool horror,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: you know, he got some old Hammer stuff, and you know,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, I was like, he had decent days,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: he likes his old cheesy monster movies and stuff like that,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: so I was like, yeah, but it was funny, I
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: was just like, after a while, I'm like, dude, you
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: are still here.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 7: It's crazy.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: I think that's what we decided, you run into a
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: lot of people that just have no social skills. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: and I myself am one of those, but I think
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: there's two stages, there's like, my philosophy has always been
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: keep it to yourself just like if you're socially awkward
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  Speaker 4: good keep it over there I think.
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  Speaker 21: They see I think they see us and they're like
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  Speaker 21: there's a group of people I can talk to you
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  Speaker 21: know I think you have like a gift if you're
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  Speaker 21: antisocial or like have a lack of social skills and
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  Speaker 21: you can look at people and seek them out I
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  Speaker 21: mean it worked for my boyfriend like he is probably
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  Speaker 21: like one of the most antisocial people I know and
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  Speaker 21: somehow he was able to pick me out in a
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  Speaker 21: room of other people and like start a conversation with
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  Speaker 21: me and it worked because we don't really like to
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  Speaker 21: talk to people but we enjoy talking to each other.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes it works out geeks just keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 21: That's all i have to say about that all right.
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  Speaker 1: We will take a break and come back somewhere down the.
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  Speaker 24: Line Well, you know, everything's going to be a breeze.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 24: There's no doubt just by the means. You can fix
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 24: any problem with a slightest of ease.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, please.
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  Speaker 24: But you might find out it'll go to your head
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 24: when you write a report on a book.
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  Speaker 5: You never read.
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  Speaker 24: With a snap of your fingers, you can make it.
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  Speaker 14: And that's what I said.
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  Speaker 24: Everything is not what it seems when you can get
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  Speaker 24: all you wanted.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 23: In your wildest dreams.
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  Speaker 24: You might run into trouble if you go to extremes
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 24: because everything is not what it seems.
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  Speaker 9: One minute left to top off the evening with a
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  Speaker 9: treat from our snack bar.
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  Speaker 4: We'd like to send out a big thank you to
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: Ken and Myra and everybody that runs Fright Night Film
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: Fest and Fandom Fest. They put on a great show
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: this year. Everything ran pretty smoothly for a show this
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 4: size with this many things going on. It's amazing just
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: how much work it took to get to this point.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: Just watching them run back and forth all weekend doing
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: different stuff and staying on top of everything. It It
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: was impressive seeing how well everything was kind of pieced together.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: So I have to give them credit. So go to FrightNightFilmFest.com
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: and FandomFest.com and go ahead and plan on next year
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: because it's an impressive festival and we actually had a
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: lot of fun this year.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 22: I was like, okay.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: That's why I was like, we can do the anatomy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: Hold them off.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: Just smile at me.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: She didn't wink. Tiffany Chavez just smiled at me kind
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: of convincingly, too. I see a lot of fake smiles.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of fake smiles. That seemed a little.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: So, what's the situation? And I'm pretty sure you're married
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: to that dude making the Frankenstein syndrome, so what's up
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: with that?
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't say I was ruling him out. I'm just
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: saying what's up with him?
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 8: This guy should not wear eyeliner.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: Alright, so we're back and getting ready to wrap things
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 4: up here. We've had an interesting weekend. Misty, you were social.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: You talked to people. I saw you.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 8: I talked to at least two different people.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: Two different people. It's a breakthrough, really. Making progress. Making friends.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 8: I don't know. She didn't know who Jem was. I'm
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 8: not sure if I can be her.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 7: Friend after this.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: We're going to have to educate her. That's all there
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: is to it.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 8: I think I don't know who Jem is.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: I told her she's truly, truly, truly outrageous, but that
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: just didn't click. I thought maybe that's what she needed
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: to push it over the edge. I feel really old.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: I'd say most kids now don't know what Jim is.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know of kids that know who Jim is.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: No, probably not.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: Anything else we need to pass along here?
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 7: No.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 8: Still creeped out by John Conrader winking at me and
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 8: it's been hours now. I feel violated.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 7: I've had enough people for a while.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this usually does that, and then you give it
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: a month or so, and we're back doing it again.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: We're antisocial, so we have to space it out every
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks as soon as possible.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: She's trying to give us the update if the girl's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: still dancing.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen her for a little while. I know.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: She disappeared.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: I wonder if she passed out. We've had the dancing
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: girl down the two tables down for pretty much the
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: whole weekend. So I'm surprised.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: Did you notice that they changed? She put on the
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 7: boys' outfit and he put on the girls' outfit.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 10: I guess all the wigs.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Those kids are so crazy.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 7: But they did not know who Henry Winkler was. Oh, well. Like,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 7: oh my God, it's somebody famous.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: They're not cool anymore.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 7: But then made him mad.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: I got to see a mad Henry Winkler.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 8: Last name like Winkler, can you really get mad?
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: I suppose it came.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 7: Feed the Vader.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Anyway. Wow.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 8: The way he said, Feed the Vader, kind of reminded
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 8: me of the way that that guy said, The fish
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 8: in the percolator.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Jack Nance.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: And then he goes, He says, Feed the Vader. It
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 7: was creepy.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: We get a lot of creepy.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 12: There's one or two of them.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: Alright, I guess that wraps it up. We will return
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: Bye!
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 18: I'm sorry.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 11: So so.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: We're just rambling at this point.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 8: Talking shit about people.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 7: It's okay.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: There's going to be a rumble with Tiffany Shep.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 14: I know.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying because I want to get pictures.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 10: She'll probably be coming back to the bar.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 7: She's hit the bar a couple times.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a throw down. Oh, we say
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 7: We'll see you guys in the future.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 12: By the way, they'll come back.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 7: Take care. Thanks. That was close.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 8: I almost got busted.
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• 2:12:28
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