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Episode 18: Dr. Jason Wersland, Creator TheraGun · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Hurdle Emily a body here.
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Speaker 1: guest is doctor Jason Worsland. Doctor Jason is a chiropractor
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Speaker 1: based out of Santa Monica and the creator of the Farragun.
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Speaker 1: You've probably seen his crazy looking tool made for muscle activation, recovery,
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Speaker 1: and pain relief all over Instagram in the hands of
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Speaker 1: your favorite trainers and athletes. I've got one myself, and
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Speaker 1: next to fresh coffee and chocolate milk, it is a
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Speaker 1: go to after every single long weekend run. Doctor Jason
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Speaker 1: had recently graduated from chiropractic school when he got into
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Speaker 1: a whole horrific motorcycle accident that left him with a
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Speaker 1: discarnation and an intense pain like he couldn't even take
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Speaker 1: a shower without being absolutely miserable. This accident led him
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Speaker 1: on a quest to create an efficient, portable treatment device
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Speaker 1: for his patients, including himself, to use as they needed
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Speaker 1: for relief. And while the Farragun was born. I say
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Speaker 1: this all the time, but today's episode is really special.
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Speaker 1: As someone who's definitely been on the injured list. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Jason's positive outlook and awesome insight into how to tackle
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Speaker 1: being on the bench is helpful for anyone who's ever
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Speaker 1: been through a tough time. We talk about what it's
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Speaker 1: like traveling the world, providing relief and educating others on
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Speaker 1: the importance of muscle recovery and mobility, how his kids
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Speaker 1: inspire him to be a better person, and share a
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Speaker 1: And that's it. Let's get to hurdling today. I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: here with doctor Jason Orsland. He is a chiropractor and
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Speaker 1: the man behind Farrah Gun. How you doing good? Good?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: You're like surprised.
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Speaker 2: I was like, whoa question.
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Speaker 1: That's the least of your worries so far today. Before
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Speaker 1: we really get into this episode, I think it's important
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Speaker 1: first of all to talk about what the farragon is.
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Speaker 1: I feel like affectionately, I think of it like feels
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Speaker 1: like a power drill, but moves kind of like a jackhammer,
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Speaker 1: but it's for your muscles, So like, why don't you
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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about the theragon What you created?
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Speaker 2: Theraguon is handheld percussion, and the most familiar term I
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Speaker 2: think people are used is vibration, But vibration and percussion
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Speaker 2: kind of have a different mechanism. If you think of
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Speaker 2: the percussion instruments in a band or like a symphony
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Speaker 2: or something, they're the ones that are really banging. So
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Speaker 2: there's an amplitude, meaning a distance that that wand or
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Speaker 2: something is moving. So the theragun provides a percussive force
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Speaker 2: rather than vibration. So vibration, if you can imagine it,
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Speaker 2: probably be like a horizontal movement, and percussion is more
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Speaker 2: of a vertical up and down movement. So people use
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Speaker 2: the term jack hammer and jigsaw because it does kind
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Speaker 2: of look like a power tool. But it's it's honestly,
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Speaker 2: I think that it's a handheld, battery operated feel good product.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's the easiest way to say it. I
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Speaker 2: like that doesn't matter where I go in the world.
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Speaker 2: It works.
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Speaker 1: It makes people feel good, Like the Thera gun. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people may know it from seeing it either
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Speaker 1: courtside with Kyrie Irving and the Chiefs defensive back Marcus
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Speaker 1: Peter uses it. I was having a conversation the other
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Speaker 1: day with the fittest guy on Earth, affectionately Matt Frazier,
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Speaker 1: and he couldn't say enough about it. He told me
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Speaker 1: that if he's going to have a quad heavy workout,
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Speaker 1: he'll use the theragun to give his legs a quick
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Speaker 1: once over before he gets going, and something like that
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Speaker 1: gives him a one percent gain that he feels day
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Speaker 1: after day after day, and eventually those one percent gains
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Speaker 1: add up. It's kind of crazy that you made this
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Speaker 1: thing that like all of these major athletes are using.
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Speaker 1: I think I read a statistic that it was like
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Speaker 1: one hundred different pro teams are using this device.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that statistic was actually old. There's so many
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Speaker 2: more now that we've been able to go outside the world.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it. And it's surprising to me too
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Speaker 2: because the fact that Matt uses it for performance is amazing.
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Speaker 2: But that wasn't where it came from. So it's it's
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Speaker 2: it's been in discovery for me as well. It's cool.
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Speaker 2: And I love that Matt said that because that means
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Speaker 2: like he got it.
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Speaker 1: He literally was like, this is how I get an
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Speaker 1: extra edge. Like I asked him what the tools in
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Speaker 1: his toolbox were to kind of get a one up
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Speaker 1: on the competition, and theragun's one of the tools in
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Speaker 1: his tool box.
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Speaker 2: He's a good dude too, doesn't hurt that he's a good.
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Speaker 1: Soul, Yeah, for sure. So what I'd love to do
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Speaker 1: you said that obviously that wasn't the original intent for
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Speaker 1: the Farragun. I'd love to dive in from the get
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Speaker 1: go and just talk a little bit about your backstory.
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Speaker 1: So what were you doing, Let's say about ten years
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Speaker 1: ago around now.
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Speaker 2: Ten years ago right now, I was driving on a
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Speaker 2: freeway heading to school on.
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Speaker 1: A motorcycle, all right, And what happened on the motorcycles?
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Speaker 2: Getting close to that too, nineteen eighteen seventeen, it's almost
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Speaker 2: eleven years.
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Speaker 1: Wow, I was Cairo, just finished school.
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Speaker 2: I had a couple of things needed to do at
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Speaker 2: my old school, and I was driving there on a
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Speaker 2: motorcycle and t bone a Volkswagen Jeta going fifty so
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Speaker 2: miles an hour and the Jeta one wow. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: you know, I think the cool thing at the time,
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Speaker 2: that is that my life was all about. At the time,
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Speaker 2: it was about being a chiropractor and understanding how to
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Speaker 2: help other people and how can I understand the body
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Speaker 2: better to be able to provide these services as a
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Speaker 2: chiropractor than bam, I'm a patient.
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Speaker 1: Have you always had you always had an interest in
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Speaker 1: getting into this field.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Always. It took me a little bit longer to
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Speaker 2: go detour my twenties, which is a whole another podcast,
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Speaker 2: other podcasts, I say, but it's it's I've always been
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Speaker 2: fascinated with the body, how it moves, how it heals itself,
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Speaker 2: all those things that that I think people that are
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Speaker 2: interested in the body like about it. So I decided
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Speaker 2: that chiropractical was the way I wanted to go, and
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Speaker 2: I sports specific, but I also realized that there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of people out there that suffer that don't have
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Speaker 2: you know, you don't go into chiropracticing. I want to
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Speaker 2: work on people have strokes. Right, It's very rare you
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Speaker 2: find that. So, you know, I think the popular thing
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Speaker 2: was sports and athletics, but it really where my heart sits.
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Speaker 2: Its people that are suffering, that need the help.
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Speaker 1: So where did you go to school here in La?
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Speaker 2: It was. It's weird because I say Cleveland Chiropractic, and
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Speaker 2: people think it was in Cleveland, Ohio, right, or the
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Speaker 2: Cleveland the Cleveland Clinic or something. It was just the
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Speaker 2: name of a guy that was a chiropractic and creative school.
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Speaker 2: So they have one in Kansas City and one here
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Speaker 2: in LA and I went.
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Speaker 1: To the one in La Okay. So you get in
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Speaker 1: this motorcycle accident and, like you said, you're the patient.
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Speaker 1: What was that experience like for you? It must have been,
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Speaker 1: I mean completely mentally and physically debilitating.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not unlike anyone else. You know, like accidents
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Speaker 2: happen at the worst time. That's why they call them accidents.
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Speaker 2: You know. I wasn't prepared for what was coming, and
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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really is. So without knowing it,
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Speaker 2: I was like this little case study, you know, looking
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Speaker 2: back on it Now you have twenty twenty vision looking
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Speaker 2: back on things, and I didn't. I didn't realize what
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Speaker 2: I was experiencing. But it certainly gave me a completely
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Speaker 2: different perspective on injuries. It gave me a real strong
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Speaker 2: understanding of nerve pain and also the it gave me
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Speaker 2: faith in the body's ability to regenerate and restore itself
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Speaker 2: with the right kind of tools and motivation, you know.
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Speaker 2: So those it was. It was a terrible experience at
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Speaker 2: the time because I had just finished school student loans
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Speaker 2: like two hundred grand, right, I just started a practice
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Speaker 2: with a buddy of mine and I so you know
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Speaker 2: the finances that go into that there there wasn't I
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Speaker 2: didn't have. I didn't know how I was going to
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Speaker 2: pay the next month bills. So I'm using my hands
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Speaker 2: to create my money, generate right revenue. And now said
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Speaker 2: I'm injured and I can't do that. So I think
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Speaker 2: that that transcends across a lot of different things. Right, So,
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Speaker 2: no matter what you're doing, injuries suck. And I just
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Speaker 2: happened to be in a perspective where I'm a chiropractor.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm injured now.
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Speaker 1: Though I do right, and so what was the extent
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Speaker 1: after your accent, like, what kind of injuries are you
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Speaker 1: talking about?
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Speaker 2: Well, I my arm got cut open. My right arm
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Speaker 2: had a it was a blunt trauma split my arm
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Speaker 2: open at the time, and then I the injury actually
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Speaker 2: caused a lot of soft tissue damage in my neck
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Speaker 2: and down the right side of my my upper extravay
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Speaker 2: my right arm. So it was basically a disc bulge,
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Speaker 2: a good disk protrusion or discarnation because it completely bulged out.
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Speaker 2: It was about nine millimeters and in that space in
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Speaker 2: your neck, there's not nine millimeters for anything really excessive,
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Speaker 2: So it just caused a lot of nerve damage. So actually,
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Speaker 2: you know, pain sets in and then atrophy because the
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Speaker 2: nerves are being choked off, and then blood flow lack
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Speaker 2: of blood flow, so you start to atrophy in my
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Speaker 2: chest and right on with like a twelve year old
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Speaker 2: girl like you couldn't it didn't look like this part
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Speaker 2: of my body was weird small, yeah, way small, and
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Speaker 2: the muscles were gone. My daughter, I remember I was
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Speaker 2: putting my getting dressed or something and she was in
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Speaker 2: the room and she's like, Daddy, what's wrong with your boob?
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Speaker 2: Because I had like one of my just there was
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Speaker 2: no tone to it, right, So that experiencing all of
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Speaker 2: that was at the time not important and it was
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Speaker 2: just pain. But looking back on it now, it all
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Speaker 2: really kind of adds into the whole story.
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Speaker 1: And how tall are you?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 1: What give the people at home listening like a sense
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Speaker 1: of my g stature?
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Speaker 2: I'm five eleven, two thirty, So you're a big guy, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I've always my family's big, so I've aways been
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Speaker 2: a little bigger. And I work out a lot, so
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Speaker 2: I think I carry my People always accuse me of
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Speaker 2: being a UFC fighter.
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Speaker 1: Side big yeah, side all right. So you're working with
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Speaker 1: all of this pain and this nerve damage and you're
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Speaker 1: trying to come back from that, and what what does
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Speaker 1: that look like for you?
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Speaker 2: Well, you get desperate, you know, you don't. You don't.
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Speaker 2: Because I'm a chiropractor and had been trained to be
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Speaker 2: a chiropractor, my options were a little bit more or
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Speaker 2: different or broader, whatever word you want to use than
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Speaker 2: the typical person, because in typical medicine you would get
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Speaker 2: surgery right away, you know, and then you go for
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Speaker 2: the rehab. And I didn't want to get cut open.
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Speaker 2: So understanding what chiropractic does, and how know the mechanics
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Speaker 2: in my body. Once I got that MRI on my neck,
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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I can do this, but I
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Speaker 2: had no idea what the pain was going to be.
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Speaker 1: Like, would someone have suggested you to get surgery?
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Speaker 2: I did, Yeah, yeah, I did. I have friends at
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Speaker 2: Cedars that were spinal guys and they looked at my MRI.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, you have to get surgery. And I said, why, Well,
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Speaker 2: there's no way you're gonna be able to deal with
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Speaker 2: the pain, and it's gonna cause structural damage in your
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Speaker 2: neck where that you're gonna have permanent nerve damage. And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know that that's good enough for me, right,
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Speaker 2: So I just thought, you know what, I'm gonna treat
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Speaker 2: myself and I'm like, buck up, I'm gonna make this happen.
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Speaker 2: But you just have no clue how bad that pain is.
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Speaker 2: And it's not so much the intensity, although it's easily
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Speaker 2: an eight out of ten, Yeah, it's the consistency, like
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Speaker 2: it doesn't stop.
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Speaker 1: I just think about the mental toughness that goes at that,
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Speaker 1: and I think in my head, I feel like I
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Speaker 1: can draw some parallels to this, like I can do
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Speaker 1: it myself. Mentality, it's like I can handle this, like
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Speaker 1: I can do that. But when it comes to pain, man.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think that an interesting thing about life
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Speaker 2: for me, and I've been through really kind of life
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Speaker 2: challenging situations. You just don't know what you're going to
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Speaker 2: do till you have it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, people say that, how did you do that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure if we talked with you you've been
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Speaker 2: through something that I would be like, what, There's no way.
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Speaker 2: I think. I think that's just a testament us as humans.
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Speaker 2: We can really go through a law and still be
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Speaker 2: able to look I said at a stop like sometimes
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Speaker 2: and I see homeless people in the way they treat
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Speaker 2: their body. I'm like, that's just a testament. This thing
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Speaker 2: can be beat to hell and you can still be living.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So yeah it You know, I don't pat myself on
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Speaker 2: the back for getting through the pain. I just look
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Speaker 2: at it was an amazing opportunity for me to learn
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Speaker 2: something that has been affecting a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: So right, Okay, so you're working through the pain. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and when like, at what point do things maybe start
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Speaker 1: to feel like there's a light at the end of
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Speaker 1: the tunnel, because how long was this recovery process.
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Speaker 2: Well, the accident was in October of two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 2: The blunt or the most of the trauma from the
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Speaker 2: accident really didn't manifest until about Christmas time, and it
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Speaker 2: just slowly started coming on. I was getting cramps in
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Speaker 2: different areas and not really understanding what was happening. It
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Speaker 2: really taught me this process that your body goes through
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Speaker 2: with trauma, so I can understand that now when I
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Speaker 2: speak with patients, I get, oh, okay, you're in that zone. Wow,
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Speaker 2: this is coming up. This is kind of So it
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Speaker 2: was really kind of a cool thing for me to
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Speaker 2: be able to go back time and time again and
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Speaker 2: think about the process that I went to. But I
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Speaker 2: was dealing with pain in February. Late January February was
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Speaker 2: when I kind of had enough of the pain. I
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Speaker 2: started thinking really outside the box. I none of the stuff,
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Speaker 2: none of my modalities at my office were working, tens
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Speaker 2: and heat and all that shit. It just I really
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Speaker 2: was frustrated because that was what we were taught to
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Speaker 2: use and they didn't really fix me. So I'm thinking,
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Speaker 2: I have all these patients coming in for these issues,
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Speaker 2: and I'm giving them these lame treatments like I need
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Speaker 2: something better. Right, So now you go into February. Now
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Speaker 2: it's forty days, forty five days of me dealing with
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Speaker 2: this pain three in the morning and you don't get
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Speaker 2: ten minutes relief. And I had to sit with my arm,
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Speaker 2: my right arm on my head to take the pressure
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Speaker 2: off the nerve. That's the only relief I got, and
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Speaker 2: it went down maybe three or four. So now I'm
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Speaker 2: down with a six, and any movement was like someone
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Speaker 2: jabbed me. So you get to this crazy moment where
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Speaker 2: you know, I say, necessity is the mother's invention. That's
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Speaker 2: what was. That's what it was. I needed something and
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Speaker 2: I didn't care what it sounded like, and it carrily
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Speaker 2: looked like first one's actually right there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jason just pointed at one of the tool
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Speaker 1: where I also feel like it's important to disclaim the
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Speaker 1: circumstances of which this podcast is being recorded. Really, I'm
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Speaker 1: visiting doctor Jason at his new headquarters here in Santa Monica.
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Speaker 1: The computer and the microphone are on a treatment table,
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Speaker 1: the microphones propped up on a Noble sneaker box, and
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Speaker 1: we're surrounded by a bunch of different toys in here. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: so you decide, you decide that what you're doing, whether
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Speaker 1: it's you know, like different strengthening exercises, different types of
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Speaker 1: heat therapy, none of it's working.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was just dealing with the pain. I just
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Speaker 2: wanted the pain to go away. I wasn't trying to
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Speaker 2: bench more, curl more, run more. I wasn't. That was
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Speaker 2: never the thought at the time. It just it was
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Speaker 2: one singular thing. I need the pain to go away,
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Speaker 2: and how can I do that. I was introduced to
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Speaker 2: vibration obviously through school and as a therapist. You're you're
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Speaker 2: introduced to that. But this is too thought seven. I mean,
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Speaker 2: foam rolling stillly wasn't that big of a deal then.
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Speaker 2: So if you think about the tools that I had
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Speaker 2: available to me as a regular consumer, let alone a chiropractor,
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Speaker 2: there weren't that many. So I started using this product
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Speaker 2: I had in my office that vibrated and it was
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Speaker 2: had variable speeds, but it did not have variable amplitude.
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Speaker 2: Didn't understand what that meant at the time.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say that the people at home
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Speaker 1: don't understand what that means. Variable speeds.
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Speaker 2: I could speed up the vibration, I could make it
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Speaker 2: go faster or slower, but the amplitude, meaning how far
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Speaker 2: it would come off my body and then back on
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Speaker 2: my body, I couldn't chant. I couldn't change that. So
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Speaker 2: it was measured in nanometers, which is like super super small.
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Speaker 2: So it's like taking like those things you get at
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Speaker 2: like brookstone or something and putting on your bodies, Like
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Speaker 2: it just doesn't have really any strength to it, right,
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Speaker 2: So that's what I was using for a while, and
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Speaker 2: that really got me thinking, like this works, but it
18:49
Speaker 2: doesn't work good enough. So I realized really quickly, I
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Speaker 2: need something stronger. What does that mean? Well, I needed
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Speaker 2: I was getting variable speeds, but I wasn't getting variable amplitude. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I need a better amplitude, and I need something I
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Speaker 2: can hold myself, and I need something that's powerful enough
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Speaker 2: that when I lean on it because I needed to
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Speaker 2: pressure up in my armpit, that it doesn't stop. So
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Speaker 2: other products out there would I'd prop it up and
19:14
Speaker 2: I'd get this thing and I'd rest on it and
19:16
Speaker 2: I'd go it's bottom out. I'm like lame, say that
19:19
Speaker 2: thing sucked. No, not at all, like who thought of this.
19:23
Speaker 2: This feels good on my grandma, right, she might like it,
19:27
Speaker 2: but it's I'm done with it after three seconds. So
19:30
Speaker 2: it just kind of this cycle of searching and searching
19:33
Speaker 2: and searching. And with my background, I worked with power tools.
19:36
Speaker 2: I laid flooring when I was younger, and my parents
19:40
Speaker 2: we had a farm and I worked on tools, and
19:42
Speaker 2: there's just this mentality of like, figure it out. And
19:45
Speaker 2: also the time I was poor, I was broke. I
19:47
Speaker 2: didn't have money, so I thought, well, even if it's
19:49
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars or one thousand dollars, I don't have that.
19:53
Speaker 2: There must be something out there, surely, but I can't
19:56
Speaker 2: afford it. All this make my own. So one night,
19:59
Speaker 2: sitting my apartment call City, went out to my shed,
20:01
Speaker 2: pulled out on my tools, brought him in, sat them down,
20:04
Speaker 2: put my hand on my head because I couldn't move
20:06
Speaker 2: my arm, and I made something. Put a couple of
20:09
Speaker 2: things together, used it. Nope, a couple more times, No,
20:13
Speaker 2: okay that one, Yeah, there it is, Propped it up
20:16
Speaker 2: on my leg, put a book underneath it, and just
20:19
Speaker 2: shook the shit out of my body. And I realized
20:23
Speaker 2: that the more violent my body shook, the pain would
20:27
Speaker 2: go away. So I'd have these moments of like pain free.
20:30
Speaker 2: I'd get goosebumps, I breathe. It was really weird, and
20:34
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the heck's going on?
20:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I haven't felt that in forever.
20:37
Speaker 2: No, And it was such a relief that I was like, Okay,
20:41
Speaker 2: that's it. So I would I would do it and
20:44
Speaker 2: then shower because it give me a few minutes to
20:46
Speaker 2: shower and not have the pain. I would do it
20:48
Speaker 2: and eat. I would do it and go to sleep
20:50
Speaker 2: as long as I could. So I started using it
20:53
Speaker 2: to address my pain to get through my day, and
20:58
Speaker 2: that's what's how it started. So then really quickly I'll
21:01
Speaker 2: think you're probably going this direction. Kind of created the
21:05
Speaker 2: first one in February of two thousand and.
21:06
Speaker 1: Eight, and you're talking about the the first Sharagon, the
21:09
Speaker 1: first version.
21:10
Speaker 2: People think it was g one, but that was way later.
21:14
Speaker 2: And then in July of two thousand and eight is
21:16
Speaker 2: when I was about one hundred percent. I felt like, Okay,
21:18
Speaker 2: I'm strong, there's no more pain, and I put it
21:21
Speaker 2: away like I was done with it. I did what
21:23
Speaker 2: I needed to do. It was kind of a selfish thing.
21:26
Speaker 2: But I put it away, didn't think about it. A
21:27
Speaker 2: few months later, had a patient come into my practice,
21:30
Speaker 2: looked at his paperwork, looked at his injury size MRI,
21:35
Speaker 2: and this guy was basically me about the same age,
21:38
Speaker 2: had an automobile accident, suffering from a nerve in his neck.
21:42
Speaker 2: His insurance sucked, he didn't make a lot of money,
21:45
Speaker 2: and I knew that if I didn't provide some way
21:47
Speaker 2: for him to be out of pain, that this guy
21:49
Speaker 2: was going to suffer for a long time. So I'm like, man,
21:52
Speaker 2: how do I tell this guy this? So it brought
21:54
Speaker 2: him and his wife in the said listen, I see
21:56
Speaker 2: what's going on here, and I explained to him how
21:58
Speaker 2: important it was to keep him out of that cycle
22:01
Speaker 2: of pain, because when you're in the cycle of pain,
22:03
Speaker 2: I have to reach way down in there and pull
22:05
Speaker 2: you out. And as a chiropractic, I don't see you
22:08
Speaker 2: for like fifteen twenty minutes a day. You have twenty
22:12
Speaker 2: three and a half hours the rest of the day
22:14
Speaker 2: where you're suffering, and that's always going to win. So
22:17
Speaker 2: if I'm just trying to get you out of pain,
22:20
Speaker 2: I'm burning your money and you can do that, right,
22:22
Speaker 2: So how about you get you out of pain, so
22:24
Speaker 2: when you come in, I can do some really good therapy.
22:26
Speaker 1: And I think that that's like such an important takeaway
22:29
Speaker 1: about like a great doctor, because I can't tell you
22:33
Speaker 1: how many times I have been in and out of
22:36
Speaker 1: different like physical therapist's office and thought to myself that
22:40
Speaker 1: this feels like a massive waste of my time. And
22:44
Speaker 1: then I finally went to I finally went to a
22:47
Speaker 1: physical therapist's office in New York City bespoke treatments. I
22:50
Speaker 1: think you know those guys as well. I'm just texting
22:53
Speaker 1: literally Dan.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:55
Speaker 1: So Dan is a good friend of mine, and his
22:58
Speaker 1: team there is excellent. And it wasn't until I went
23:00
Speaker 1: to see Dan and he did like a few different
23:02
Speaker 1: things in one session, and I walked out of that
23:05
Speaker 1: office and I was like, that is what it's supposed
23:07
Speaker 1: to be like when you go to a physical therapist.
23:09
Speaker 1: They're supposed to give you homework. You're supposed to be
23:12
Speaker 1: able to do things on your own, and they're supposed
23:13
Speaker 1: to teach you something I had never felt like I
23:16
Speaker 1: really learned before when I walked into someone's office like that.
23:20
Speaker 1: So to hear you say that that's something that you prioritize,
23:24
Speaker 1: especially with your patients, that that's something that you prioritize
23:27
Speaker 1: with your patients. I think that's so telling of the
23:29
Speaker 1: kind of person that you are.
23:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, but that makes sense to me. I mean,
23:35
Speaker 2: why would I care more about your body than you do? Right,
23:39
Speaker 2: That's amazing, Like that's a lot of that's a lot
23:42
Speaker 2: of disempowerment. So for me and I've met Dan, and
23:47
Speaker 2: it's really weird. We have this like kindred thoughts and spirits.
23:51
Speaker 2: He's a good dude. But I'm glad you experienced that
23:54
Speaker 2: because you don't understand it until you have, and then
23:57
Speaker 2: when you do, it's like this kind of light bulb experience.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, this man, you have, this man and his wife
24:02
Speaker 1: and your practice.
24:03
Speaker 2: And I explained it to him. She looks at me like,
24:06
Speaker 2: what are you nuts? And the next day I brought
24:09
Speaker 2: it back to the office and I shared it with
24:11
Speaker 2: him and I showed him how to use it, and
24:12
Speaker 2: I explained to him what he's doing.
24:13
Speaker 1: So what is this? At the time, it was like.
24:16
Speaker 2: It was a power tool, Yeah, a plug in power
24:18
Speaker 2: tool that I kind of combined these two things and
24:21
Speaker 2: then made my own attachment and I used this little ball.
24:26
Speaker 2: It was alf Pham practice golf ball that I eventually
24:30
Speaker 2: ended up you know, it was a little rainbow cat toys.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little foam ball. Yeah, that's what I ended
24:37
Speaker 1: up using as well. That's normal.
24:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So I showed it to him, showed him
24:42
Speaker 2: how to use it.
24:42
Speaker 1: But what happened is he experienced the same thing.
24:46
Speaker 2: That I did, and I was like, wait, there's something
24:49
Speaker 2: to this right fast forward. Now thousands of people are
24:54
Speaker 2: doing it for the same reason.
24:55
Speaker 1: But my question to you is, obviously that doesn't happen. No,
25:00
Speaker 1: these thousands of people don't just get a fair gun
25:03
Speaker 1: in their hands the hands overnight. So how does one
25:07
Speaker 1: go from like this, this moment where you're the aha
25:11
Speaker 1: moment to all right, we're going to make this thing
25:15
Speaker 1: and we're going to make it something really great.
25:19
Speaker 2: There's not one sentence to describe that. There's really not
25:22
Speaker 2: it's it's uh and you said you were broke at
25:25
Speaker 2: the time, yeah, and so like what I'm going to
25:27
Speaker 2: be like I quit at least a dozen times, yeah,
25:32
Speaker 2: meaning fuck this, I don't have the time for this.
25:36
Speaker 2: This isn't going anywhere. You know, they say when you're
25:39
Speaker 2: the first to do something you're crazy. Yeah, how many
25:41
Speaker 2: times I was the crazy guy? Oh you're that guy,
25:44
Speaker 2: You're the crazy Cairo. That's the look I get. Oh,
25:48
Speaker 2: And it just it was literally overcoming. And and to
25:51
Speaker 2: be honest, dead honest, there's something about this thing that's
25:55
Speaker 2: bigger than me.
25:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:57
Speaker 2: It just pushed me and I couldn't It's like I
26:00
Speaker 2: couldn't sleep, I couldn't drive. It was always there like,
26:02
Speaker 2: don't let me go, don't let me go. And I
26:04
Speaker 2: would see it affect people's lives in such a positive way.
26:07
Speaker 2: That's what drove me.
26:08
Speaker 1: I think it's really special too. I had Sadie Lincoln
26:11
Speaker 1: on the podcast. She's the founder of Bar three, and
26:14
Speaker 1: she told me that when she finally concepted Bar three
26:18
Speaker 1: in her head, she went into what she affectionately calls
26:21
Speaker 1: to be warrior state. And that's when your eyes on
26:25
Speaker 1: the prize, you know you're doing the right thing. And
26:28
Speaker 1: when you've got that certain level of passion, it doesn't
26:31
Speaker 1: feel like work anymore.
26:32
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. And that's where I'm at now. I mean,
26:35
Speaker 2: people say, how do you do that? Because I travel
26:36
Speaker 2: a lot, it's not I swear to God, this is
26:40
Speaker 2: going to seem super crazy. But I'm just sharing smiles.
26:44
Speaker 2: How is that bad? Like, it's not work. Travel sucks
26:47
Speaker 2: like in and out, airplanes nail the TSA and anyone
26:52
Speaker 2: that's in that industry is God bless them because that's
26:55
Speaker 2: a really tough thing. But it's what I'm doing is
26:58
Speaker 2: not work. It's really it's the biggest blessing in it.
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28:22
Speaker 1: thirty first of this year. I'm back here sitting down
28:39
Speaker 1: with doctor Jason Worsland. He is the creator of the
28:42
Speaker 1: thearragun So talk to me about how the first Theragon
28:46
Speaker 1: really came to be, Like, were you looking at prototype
28:49
Speaker 1: after prototype? Well, who we're working with?
28:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the G one was actually my fifth version.
28:58
Speaker 2: Technically we released it for sale the same time we
29:01
Speaker 2: kind of did our website, which was in the middle
29:02
Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen, so May June of sixteen. Then in
29:06
Speaker 2: August of twenty seventeen released the G two. So we
29:09
Speaker 2: created what is now the G two that everyone knows.
29:12
Speaker 2: So it's it's the sixth version over all these years,
29:16
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's been a work a community product.
29:20
Speaker 2: That's why sometimes people are like, you did this. I
29:24
Speaker 2: championed it a little bit, but man, I couldn't have
29:26
Speaker 2: done this without so much input. I mean, we have
29:28
Speaker 2: different attachments that were created from by friends of mine
29:31
Speaker 2: that we're so cool and willing to just let me
29:33
Speaker 2: have the like the information to have the information to
29:38
Speaker 2: make that So the fact that it has a twelve
29:42
Speaker 2: vote battery, you know, that's definitely something I wanted. But
29:45
Speaker 2: to get the confirmation from other people that were using
29:47
Speaker 2: some of my first versions, Dude, the chord sucks. You
29:50
Speaker 2: need a battery. So you know you asked, like, how
29:53
Speaker 2: did it get here? It was a lot of input,
29:55
Speaker 2: a lot of help, and something in the universe that
29:58
Speaker 2: just wouldn't let me leave it.
30:00
Speaker 1: So you're saying that not every theragon has like a
30:02
Speaker 1: rainbow cat toy on the if you want one of
30:06
Speaker 1: those limited edition yeah, right. I think it's important kind
30:13
Speaker 1: of to note that how much does the theragun retail for?
30:16
Speaker 1: Right now?
30:17
Speaker 2: The G two is five ninety.
30:19
Speaker 1: Nine, okay, And I think that obviously with anything that
30:23
Speaker 1: costs a substantial amount of money, and some people are
30:25
Speaker 1: going to look at that price tag and be like, wow,
30:27
Speaker 1: that's a lot that there's a barrier to entry of sorts,
30:30
Speaker 1: right for someone that wants to benefit their mobility, what
30:34
Speaker 1: are like some like kind of easy suggestions you might
30:37
Speaker 1: have to them if like they don't have access or
30:39
Speaker 1: really can't afford a theragon.
30:43
Speaker 2: Great question. There are other products out there that do
30:46
Speaker 2: provide a vibrational therapy to them, to your tissue in
30:54
Speaker 2: the body that responds to that. There's you know, there's
30:59
Speaker 2: the content the pressure from foam rolling. You know, some
31:02
Speaker 2: people that have used the product for a while, we'll
31:05
Speaker 2: say this is foam rolling made easier without pain. So
31:09
Speaker 2: I think the fact that there's that direct link to it,
31:12
Speaker 2: I think it's two parts. Number One, it's you're kind
31:14
Speaker 2: of using it in the same areas, and the second
31:17
Speaker 2: thing is you're kind of looking for that same outcome.
31:19
Speaker 2: So I'm not a huge proponent of foam rolling because
31:23
Speaker 2: I think sometimes your margin for air is.
31:26
Speaker 1: So high, why don't you really quickly for someone that
31:29
Speaker 1: may never have picked up a phone roller? What is
31:32
Speaker 1: like the goal?
31:32
Speaker 2: Typically it's called controlled trauma, and what you're doing is
31:37
Speaker 2: you're stimulating the body's natural response to either flushing out
31:42
Speaker 2: post exercise toxins, kind of working out what people refer
31:46
Speaker 2: to as trigger points or knots in their muscle, and
31:49
Speaker 2: as little as working out, you know, post exercise pain,
31:52
Speaker 2: Like I'm super sore from riding a bike and doing
31:55
Speaker 2: a spinning class and I just want that pain to
31:56
Speaker 2: go away for a long time. That was presented to
31:59
Speaker 2: us that foam rolling does that helps with that. So
32:02
Speaker 2: your controlled trauma is mashing the muscle and the body
32:06
Speaker 2: recognizes that, so it sends these healing properties there to
32:09
Speaker 2: kind of help heal it. There's a there's some science
32:13
Speaker 2: that proves that vibration and percussion actually inhibit the golgie tendon.
32:18
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot to science. It's a science, yeah, interesting.
32:22
Speaker 2: But the golgie tendon is the white tissue of our body,
32:26
Speaker 2: which is what we feel when we're tight. When you
32:29
Speaker 2: like wake up or you're getting ready to play or
32:31
Speaker 2: work out or something and you're just not ready. That
32:34
Speaker 2: not ready means my body's not mobile enough for me
32:38
Speaker 2: to move and feel safe. So how do I do that?
32:41
Speaker 1: Well?
32:41
Speaker 2: Traditionally you would stretch and ride a bike can warm
32:45
Speaker 2: up and get your body moving and heat your tissue
32:48
Speaker 2: up so that you feel quote unquote ready. There's some
32:52
Speaker 2: science coming out that shows a static stretching actually isn't
32:55
Speaker 2: really good for our bodies. And if you can provide
32:58
Speaker 2: some sort of mechanical sting, emulation, vibration, percussion, foam rolling,
33:04
Speaker 2: anything like that. You're going to help facilitate that range
33:08
Speaker 2: of motion increase and your body's ability to move better.
33:12
Speaker 2: So to answer your question directly, there are other products
33:17
Speaker 2: out there. There's one called the Thumper that you can
33:19
Speaker 2: buy it at Brickstone. You have tool of balls on
33:22
Speaker 2: the end and you turn it on. It has variable speeds.
33:24
Speaker 2: But the thing that's really tough to duplicate is what
33:29
Speaker 2: we've found and I always call it the secret sauce
33:32
Speaker 2: is the amplitude, frequency, and torque of our product. So
33:36
Speaker 2: those three things combined and what really makes it. And
33:39
Speaker 2: I had to learn this, believe me. It wasn't something
33:41
Speaker 2: that I was like, oh yeah, I got it being lottery.
33:44
Speaker 2: It was like I really had to work through that.
33:46
Speaker 2: So if they can find something that has those three things,
33:50
Speaker 2: you know, go for it.
33:51
Speaker 1: Why is it important to be mobile in the first place?
33:53
Speaker 1: Like what does that do for your body?
33:55
Speaker 2: The more mobile you are, more healthy you are. The
33:57
Speaker 2: less mobile you are more dead you are. So I
34:01
Speaker 2: say mobility and balance. If you look at a little kid,
34:04
Speaker 2: eight nine year old kid who has his mobility and balance.
34:08
Speaker 2: That's healthy at its extreme. Now you take a ninety
34:12
Speaker 2: year old person, they have the total opposite, zero flexibility,
34:16
Speaker 2: zero mobility, They're closer to dying. So in my practice,
34:20
Speaker 2: that's usually what I would say to people. If you
34:22
Speaker 2: have balance and mobility, you're alive. The less manbalance and mobility,
34:26
Speaker 2: you have more dead you are. Yeah, you to be blunt,
34:30
Speaker 2: that's it. So my goal as a physician, as a chiropractic,
34:34
Speaker 2: as a health practitioner is I want you to have
34:36
Speaker 2: more mobility.
34:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more balance. I could tell you are really
34:41
Speaker 1: you really meant that because you were excitedly clapping your eye.
34:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like it's I love it because it works.
34:50
Speaker 2: There's a way to do it.
34:51
Speaker 1: Aside from mobility work, what do you think is a
34:54
Speaker 1: way that people are unintentionally neglecting their bodies on the regular.
35:03
Speaker 2: Now in two thousand and eighteen, I think there's a
35:10
Speaker 2: big push right now. Our lifestyles kind of support this
35:17
Speaker 2: high intensity training. So you have this forty five minutes,
35:20
Speaker 2: I'm going to go do this hit class, I'm going
35:21
Speaker 2: to do a spin class. I'm going to run to
35:23
Speaker 2: this thing, and we don't take the time to prepare
35:27
Speaker 2: our bodies for this high intensity training for however many
35:33
Speaker 2: minutes you're going to do that, and we don't take
35:36
Speaker 2: the time for our bodies to recover from that. So
35:40
Speaker 2: you just bolt out the class, take the class, and
35:42
Speaker 2: you built back to work, shout oh yeah, showered. I
35:44
Speaker 2: got back in my desk or back to what I
35:46
Speaker 2: was doing in the time that I wanted to. So
35:49
Speaker 2: there's there's all these things around us that support that,
35:53
Speaker 2: but there's really been nothing to help treat ourselves. Yeah,
35:58
Speaker 2: you have to, you have to schedule the and believe
36:00
Speaker 2: me this for the record, love massage therapists. This does
36:05
Speaker 2: not replace the massage therapist. There's something super valuable to
36:09
Speaker 2: having someone put their hands on you and move your
36:12
Speaker 2: tissues and touch you the way a massage therapist do.
36:15
Speaker 2: You can't get that, you can't duplicate that, but this
36:18
Speaker 2: is something to kind of bridge the gap between those
36:20
Speaker 2: painful days where your shoulder might be sore and you
36:23
Speaker 2: don't have the time to see a massage therapist. So
36:26
Speaker 2: to answer your question, I think it's the nowadays. It's
36:29
Speaker 2: the high intensity training that people are participating in and
36:32
Speaker 2: not taking the same amount of time to treat their
36:33
Speaker 2: bodies from the where and tear it is? Did that
36:37
Speaker 2: answer your question?
36:37
Speaker 1: No, totally answer my question. Speaking of wear and tear,
36:41
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably experience that a fair amount
36:45
Speaker 1: because of your ridiculous travel schedule. Yeah, So like, give
36:48
Speaker 1: me like a snippet of what you've been up to
36:51
Speaker 1: for the past month. Where have you been.
36:55
Speaker 2: I came back from I was in Poland, Germany, France,
37:05
Speaker 2: New York, got back, was home for a few days,
37:11
Speaker 2: like two days, and then I left for China actually
37:15
Speaker 2: Soul Korea. I was in there for there for five days,
37:17
Speaker 2: Hong Kong for five days, Shanghai for three days, Beijing
37:21
Speaker 2: for five days. Flew back, got back at one thirty
37:25
Speaker 2: in the morning, and the next morning at seven, I
37:27
Speaker 2: flew to my family farm and hung out with my family.
37:29
Speaker 2: So it's been NonStop.
37:31
Speaker 1: How do you find balance when you're constantly on the
37:34
Speaker 1: go like that?
37:35
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, my form of meditation is working out.
37:39
Speaker 2: That's where I get a chance to just kind of
37:41
Speaker 2: let it go and just breathe. I got to do
37:45
Speaker 2: a presentation with whim Hoff in Germany and to be
37:48
Speaker 2: able to understand and hear his perception of breathing and
37:51
Speaker 2: how it really affects our parasympathetic and our sympathetic nervous system.
37:55
Speaker 2: There's really no other science out there like that, and
37:58
Speaker 2: his attitude about it is so in fact acious. I
38:00
Speaker 2: love the way he presents but that I try to
38:05
Speaker 2: work out. I try to breathe.
38:07
Speaker 1: What do you do to work out?
38:10
Speaker 2: I have these little routines that I do. It really
38:12
Speaker 2: depends on what hotel I'm in. To be honest with you, Yeah,
38:14
Speaker 2: I do insanity as often as I can, you know,
38:19
Speaker 2: depending on the situation and where I'm at. Definitely don't
38:23
Speaker 2: do insanity the day I'm going to travel, because then
38:26
Speaker 2: I'm doing the exact thing I told you, high intensity,
38:29
Speaker 2: and then I sit. You know, it's really important to
38:31
Speaker 2: when you use the theragun that you include moving. So
38:34
Speaker 2: no matter how much I use a theragun after an
38:36
Speaker 2: intense insanity work out, jumping on an airplane is not
38:40
Speaker 2: the best thing. So I stay active, you know, I
38:42
Speaker 2: try to. I try to eat right, try exclamation try.
38:47
Speaker 2: I'm a huge sweet guy. It's just really trying to
38:50
Speaker 2: plan that out, like where am I going, what am
38:53
Speaker 2: I doing? How can I fit in a workout when.
38:55
Speaker 1: You look back over the last ten or so years,
38:59
Speaker 1: what has been some of the best advice that you've
39:01
Speaker 1: been given in your career, because things have taken off
39:05
Speaker 1: for you in the last two years since this really
39:07
Speaker 1: got going.
39:07
Speaker 2: Consistency. There's a there's a post that that The Rock
39:13
Speaker 2: put up that had something about the level of success
39:17
Speaker 2: is relative to your ability to be consistent, and that's hard.
39:22
Speaker 2: I feel like patience and consistency don't apply until you're
39:28
Speaker 2: over them. What I mean like, I'll be patient, Well,
39:33
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be still. You'd be patient if you were impatient, mm,
39:37
Speaker 2: be consistent. They wouldn't tell you to be consistent if
39:39
Speaker 2: you weren't if you were inconsistent. So that's what I had.
39:43
Speaker 2: It's it's doing it every single time, Like when I
39:46
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning, I had to do what
39:48
Speaker 2: I had to do that day, and I had to
39:50
Speaker 2: keep doing it and keep doing it. And when I
39:52
Speaker 2: tell you, I quit a dozen times. There were days
39:54
Speaker 2: I'm like, screw this, I'm not doing this today. For
39:58
Speaker 2: some reason, that habit just jumping right back on a
40:01
Speaker 2: couple of days later and doing it again. So that
40:03
Speaker 2: was a good one. I've had some really good friends
40:05
Speaker 2: of mine that are kind of spiritual guides and therapists,
40:09
Speaker 2: and you know, they've said, you know, you just have
40:11
Speaker 2: to listen to that voice inside and stay focused and
40:13
Speaker 2: believe and trust. I met this kid in Soul, Korea
40:17
Speaker 2: who asked me the same question. We're having dinner, and
40:20
Speaker 2: he didn't want to hear the question the answers, and
40:22
Speaker 2: I just said, you have to keep going.
40:24
Speaker 1: Why did he want to hear the answer?
40:25
Speaker 2: Because it was he was to the point I could
40:27
Speaker 2: tell that he was worn out and he created something
40:31
Speaker 2: that he wanted to release, and he'd keep butting his
40:34
Speaker 2: head against something. And I didn't know that. I didn't
40:36
Speaker 2: know enough of his story. But as I was saying this,
40:38
Speaker 2: I see him tearing up and he was really emotionally
40:41
Speaker 2: responding to what I was saying. And I asked him
40:44
Speaker 2: more about it, and it was just He's like, I
40:45
Speaker 2: knew you were going to say that I have to
40:47
Speaker 2: keep going.
40:48
Speaker 1: I know, obviously you're passionate about your product, but on
40:52
Speaker 1: those days that you felt like just so exhausted, what
40:57
Speaker 1: other factors in your life like really kept you doing?
41:01
Speaker 2: Kids? For sure, Yeah, that there's no way I was
41:05
Speaker 2: going to let them down. I have to there you
41:10
Speaker 2: go fight back in twears here kids for sure, and
41:17
Speaker 2: you know, setting a good example for them. And this
41:19
Speaker 2: there's something about it. I can't explain it. There's something
41:22
Speaker 2: about this thing that I couldn't shake, you know, I'd quit.
41:27
Speaker 2: I did practice management and I worked with software stuff
41:30
Speaker 2: in California, building software programs for physicians in injury based practices.
41:37
Speaker 2: So I was really kind of dabbling and working in
41:39
Speaker 2: that that would help fund my ability to spend time
41:42
Speaker 2: researching and building more products and things in the theragun
41:45
Speaker 2: So that was kind of my my way of getting
41:47
Speaker 2: through it. But I would I would be like, Okay,
41:50
Speaker 2: screw that, I'm not doing theraguon anymore. I can't handle this.
41:52
Speaker 2: I got and I'd turn and spend three or four
41:55
Speaker 2: days really focused on that. Other businesses, the other businesses
41:58
Speaker 2: that I was doing consulting, and something would happen, some
42:01
Speaker 2: patient would call, an athlete would call, hey, can you
42:03
Speaker 2: treat me? Yeah, And I'd inevitably turned to the gun
42:06
Speaker 2: because it would do what I needed to do in
42:08
Speaker 2: a quick way. And the way they would respond, I'd
42:11
Speaker 2: just feel an immense responsibility to not deny that. So
42:15
Speaker 2: I couldn't it was like this.
42:17
Speaker 1: Curse when you say, I just I meant to ask
42:21
Speaker 1: you was the name Thearra gun? Like pretty easy to
42:24
Speaker 1: come up with.
42:24
Speaker 2: Well, you geez, like three or four years of names
42:30
Speaker 2: and I don't even want to tell you some of
42:31
Speaker 2: the names we had. One day, one night I was
42:34
Speaker 2: sitting I mentioned to you I did this practice management.
42:36
Speaker 2: I was working with the buddy of mine. We were
42:38
Speaker 2: in the SAG building on Wilshire and it was late
42:41
Speaker 2: one night. We were both in our offices working away
42:43
Speaker 2: doing reporting and stuff, and he yelled, I got it,
42:46
Speaker 2: like what come here?
42:48
Speaker 1: Running his office and he's sitting there and he said it.
42:51
Speaker 2: There a gun And I was like, whoa.
42:54
Speaker 1: I remember when I came up with hurdle. I was
42:57
Speaker 1: sitting in my apartment, not even thinking about thank you,
43:00
Speaker 1: not even thinking about the podcast, just talking about some
43:03
Speaker 1: stuff I was going through with a girlfriend. And I
43:05
Speaker 1: looked at her with so much sincerity and I said,
43:08
Speaker 1: I just need to get over this hurdle.
43:10
Speaker 2: Boom. I get that a lot. I totally understand you're.
43:14
Speaker 1: Talking about it. And it just happened. It was like yep,
43:17
Speaker 1: like that's it. And then and then all the other
43:19
Speaker 1: things started to happen. That war year State started to happen.
43:22
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, well, now we've got a name,
43:24
Speaker 1: and all right, we're talking about hurdles. But like, I
43:26
Speaker 1: care so much about health and wellness, and I'm a
43:29
Speaker 1: certified personal trainer, and this is like what I'm good at.
43:32
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk to people that like care
43:35
Speaker 1: about wellness and we're going to talk about these hurdles
43:37
Speaker 1: and we're going to get through them together and sit
43:39
Speaker 1: here and probably cry half the time. And that's just
43:42
Speaker 1: what we're going to do.
43:43
Speaker 2: Man.
43:44
Speaker 1: And so I hear you. I hear you. When when
43:46
Speaker 1: you hear that name, you get that feeling.
43:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unnot I get it.
43:52
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to give someone a book,
43:56
Speaker 1: what books do you like to gift?
43:58
Speaker 2: The Secret? You remember that from a while ago?
44:01
Speaker 1: From a while ago, Yeah, it was.
44:04
Speaker 2: It probably ten years ago or so. The Secret is
44:06
Speaker 2: one that just talks about intention and how to live
44:10
Speaker 2: with intention and understanding how to work within the powers
44:15
Speaker 2: of the universe because there are universal laws and just
44:17
Speaker 2: understanding those things that that, to me is something that
44:20
Speaker 2: I always go back to. I'm reading the fiftieth Law.
44:24
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read that one. Yeah, it's
44:26
Speaker 2: about fifty cent. It's a really cool book and inspirational book.
44:30
Speaker 2: The last person that I would have thought that would
44:32
Speaker 2: have written something like this, but it's a really cool book.
44:35
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird that I feel like in conversation
44:38
Speaker 1: lately fifty cent has been coming up?
44:41
Speaker 2: Where is that guy?
44:42
Speaker 1: You know what? I don't know. I think it's actually
44:44
Speaker 1: because he's been on this episode of Million Dollar Listing
44:47
Speaker 1: that's been on repeat lately, and so all of a sudden,
44:50
Speaker 1: fifty cent is relevant.
44:52
Speaker 2: Interesting.
44:52
Speaker 1: I didn't know that many, but you are. You're reading
44:56
Speaker 1: these books.
44:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it's a really cool book, inspirational
44:59
Speaker 2: just but it talks about how just never quitting. Yeah,
45:01
Speaker 2: so those are anything that has anything to do with that.
45:04
Speaker 2: I mean I get people shared books with me all
45:06
Speaker 2: the time, and unfortunately I'm not a huge reader. Yeah,
45:09
Speaker 2: but I love people that inspire you to just keep
45:13
Speaker 2: pushing forward totally. That's the and trust the universe.
45:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you take a step back and you
45:20
Speaker 1: look at your career so far and you think about
45:24
Speaker 1: the people you've treated. Also, I feel like it's kind
45:26
Speaker 1: of important to talk about the things that the Farragan
45:30
Speaker 1: can do aside from help with mobility, and for you
45:34
Speaker 1: it helped you kind of treat some of the nerve
45:36
Speaker 1: damage and the rehab that you were going through. I
45:38
Speaker 1: remember when we sat down previously, we were talking about
45:42
Speaker 1: vibration therapy in relation to like arthritis. Yeah, like what
45:47
Speaker 1: else are people using this for?
45:51
Speaker 2: Pain? Signals to our brain travel in at a frequency.
45:55
Speaker 2: The brain has a hierarchy, and we're sitting here, and
45:59
Speaker 2: if some guy busted through that door with a gun,
46:02
Speaker 2: that would become way more important than anything we're talking about. Right,
46:06
Speaker 2: that's the brain's way of surviving. So that same law
46:11
Speaker 2: applies to us throughout the day. The most, the highest
46:14
Speaker 2: stimulus is what our brain is focusing on. So whether
46:18
Speaker 2: it's the necklace around your neck that you put on
46:21
Speaker 2: in the first three seconds, you're aware of it until
46:24
Speaker 2: you got it where you wanted it, and then you
46:26
Speaker 2: haven't thought about it probably since you put it on.
46:28
Speaker 2: So the brain recognized that, So that that's not important.
46:31
Speaker 2: But if you what I like to use as a
46:33
Speaker 2: comparison to paper cut, you're a pad of paper cut.
46:36
Speaker 2: Most people have had a paper cut.
46:37
Speaker 1: I've had put those suck got the worst.
46:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a paper cut really yeah. So if
46:41
Speaker 2: you had a paper cut and a sprained ankle, those
46:45
Speaker 2: are those are both to a lay person, those are
46:48
Speaker 2: both painful experiences. But to the brain, they're coming in
46:52
Speaker 2: at different frequencies. Because the paper cut is on our skin,
46:56
Speaker 2: a perfonal nervous system that's coming in it two hundred
47:00
Speaker 2: and eighty five miles an hour really fast. That's why
47:04
Speaker 2: you're all aware of it. You're like, God, you can't sleep
47:07
Speaker 2: sometimes because you have a paper cut. Yeah, but you
47:10
Speaker 2: can sleep with a sprained ankle because that signal's coming
47:13
Speaker 2: in at fifty five miles an hour. It's really slow.
47:18
Speaker 2: Understanding those two things is what's really helped me understand
47:21
Speaker 2: how to use the product and why other people using it.
47:24
Speaker 2: So fibromyalga. Fibromalgae is a muscular scale problem and it
47:29
Speaker 2: causes pain. Pain that I had is no different than
47:33
Speaker 2: the pain you're someone would have a fiber myalga. The
47:36
Speaker 2: nervous system is regulating that is important or not important.
47:39
Speaker 2: So if now I introduce something to your body that's
47:41
Speaker 2: vibrating at a really high frequency on the same area
47:45
Speaker 2: that your paper cut was, you're sending signals in on
47:48
Speaker 2: that pathway. So now that feel good vibration or percussion
47:52
Speaker 2: is literally overriding the pain they're experiencing from a fibromyalgae.
47:57
Speaker 1: Which is why that would make me feel good if
47:59
Speaker 1: I is using it because I have lower back arthritis.
48:02
Speaker 2: Yes, because the arthritis is central nervous system bones and
48:07
Speaker 2: joints and muscles that travels to the brain at a
48:10
Speaker 2: slower rate than something that's in our perferal nervous system,
48:13
Speaker 2: our skin.
48:14
Speaker 1: And it's important. You put your hand on a fire,
48:16
Speaker 1: you pull.
48:16
Speaker 2: Away, Well, if it was a slower process, you probably
48:19
Speaker 2: burn yourself before you could pull away.
48:21
Speaker 1: What has been one of the most rewarding things for you?
48:25
Speaker 1: Obviously now a lot of people know who you are,
48:29
Speaker 1: they know your product, You've had this opportunity to travel
48:31
Speaker 1: around the world. What's one of the most rewarding things
48:35
Speaker 1: that has happened to you in the last couple of
48:36
Speaker 1: years with this new opportunity.
48:39
Speaker 2: It's hard to say one thing, because I just I
48:42
Speaker 2: keep getting blessed and surprised and blessed and surprised, you know,
48:46
Speaker 2: the first time going to Moscow and thinking what the
48:48
Speaker 2: heck am I doing here? And then seeing that people
48:51
Speaker 2: knew what it was and they were so excited to
48:53
Speaker 2: see me and hear what I'm presenting about this new science.
48:57
Speaker 2: So it's I'm serious. It's tough to answer that right
49:02
Speaker 2: now because I feel like my life is just an
49:05
Speaker 2: enormous amusement park and everywhere I turn is amazing experiences.
49:09
Speaker 2: But I think the most basic thing is everywhere I
49:12
Speaker 2: go up people smile like I treat them and they smile.
49:16
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't.
49:20
Speaker 1: That's it's powerful totally.
49:23
Speaker 2: You know. I get to work with amazing athletes, like
49:27
Speaker 2: you know, people that are would be considered top in
49:30
Speaker 2: the world, and guess what, they respond the same way
49:33
Speaker 2: you do.
49:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. I don't know if
49:36
Speaker 1: you know this about me, but I'm one of the
49:37
Speaker 1: best athletes in the world. I didn't want to say
49:40
Speaker 1: that it's okay. I know you don't want to love
49:41
Speaker 1: my spot, but I hear you. I think it's important,
49:43
Speaker 1: and it's because you've worked on something with all of
49:46
Speaker 1: your heart that that makes a difference. Yeah, And whether
49:50
Speaker 1: or not whether you're creating a you know, a tool
49:54
Speaker 1: for athletes or for the average show, or if you're
49:56
Speaker 1: creating maybe in my case, like a podcast, like working
50:00
Speaker 1: something that can make a difference is so powerful. Yeah,
50:05
Speaker 1: it's so powerful.
50:06
Speaker 2: I just thought of this. I think there's the things
50:09
Speaker 2: that are that ignite me are when I find some
50:15
Speaker 2: science validation, Because for the longest time I was crazy,
50:20
Speaker 2: like there's no way. Kelly Starrett is a well known
50:24
Speaker 2: person in the wellness and treatment of ourself kind of arena,
50:29
Speaker 2: and I had a chance ability wat Yeah, he's a
50:32
Speaker 2: great guy, and a lot of our paths criss cross
50:35
Speaker 2: and we've chances to catch up. And the last time
50:38
Speaker 2: he was just like I love this analogy. He said,
50:42
Speaker 2: if you're lighting a fire with a match and it
50:45
Speaker 2: keeps blowing out and I come over with a torch
50:47
Speaker 2: and I light that fire with a torch, do you
50:49
Speaker 2: care how it happened? No? It worked? Like right, I
50:53
Speaker 2: have to see him and explain to you the science
50:55
Speaker 2: why have this torch and made that fire? So I
50:57
Speaker 2: love his attitude. It gave me. It really gave me
51:00
Speaker 2: strength to be like, really, you're gonna argue with me
51:02
Speaker 2: about this, put it on you and tell me it
51:04
Speaker 2: doesn't work right? Right, So little things like that really
51:08
Speaker 2: like Okay, that just pushed me into that next kind
51:10
Speaker 2: of level.
51:11
Speaker 1: To follow that up. I mean, we talk about rewarding situations,
51:15
Speaker 1: but what has been one of the biggest failures that
51:18
Speaker 1: you've experienced that has really taught you one of the
51:21
Speaker 1: biggest lessons.
51:23
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, trusting people. Yeah, that's probably been one of the
51:28
Speaker 2: toughest things because it initially when I first had it
51:32
Speaker 2: and people recognize what it is. I would share stories
51:35
Speaker 2: or insight on things that I was doing, and it
51:38
Speaker 2: would come back around eventually and get me. I don't know,
51:41
Speaker 2: that's a tough question. Really, it's I think. I mean,
51:46
Speaker 2: people don't know this, but I've been through four different
51:48
Speaker 2: partners and I've had to bail myself out with all
51:51
Speaker 2: of those partners. I mean, the road to get to
51:55
Speaker 2: where I am now and what you see was not easy.
51:57
Speaker 2: It was five I have hard years and ten years
52:03
Speaker 2: five years before that of just figuring it out and
52:06
Speaker 2: grinding through and just kind of having it be my
52:10
Speaker 2: your only resource. You know. It's just interesting how things
52:13
Speaker 2: work so.
52:14
Speaker 1: And having to be strong for yourself, like having to
52:16
Speaker 1: rely on yourself.
52:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I could say I had family
52:20
Speaker 2: bail on me, and you know, for the longest time,
52:22
Speaker 2: My parents didn't even know what I did. They're like,
52:24
Speaker 2: you went to school to be a chiropritor what are
52:26
Speaker 2: you doing?
52:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, So there's it.
52:28
Speaker 2: It's really just being kind of thick skinned. And at
52:32
Speaker 2: the time, it's not like I woke up in the
52:33
Speaker 2: morning said I'm going to be thick skinned, because I
52:35
Speaker 2: still was hurt by things people would say, or bothered
52:38
Speaker 2: by that, or anxious because I didn't know what text
52:41
Speaker 2: I was going to get the next morning about things.
52:43
Speaker 2: So it's it's been it's been a roller coaster, but
52:48
Speaker 2: this last few years has been just amazing.
52:54
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to give yourself the guy a
52:59
Speaker 1: me imediately post motorcycle accident. One piece of advice is
53:05
Speaker 1: what is the piece of advice that you give to him?
53:08
Speaker 1: Looking back on it now.
53:09
Speaker 2: It's funny you asked that because I've had the opportunity,
53:12
Speaker 2: and as a chiropractor you I've had that opportunity, and
53:14
Speaker 2: I see that look in people's eyes. The best thing
53:17
Speaker 2: I can do is give him faith. This isn't permanent,
53:20
Speaker 2: it's not going to last forever.
53:37
Speaker 1: Trust in that faith, Yeah, no matter what the hurdle is.
53:44
Speaker 1: It's like they all happen to teach us a lesson. Right,
53:47
Speaker 1: So when you look back on that accident and like
53:49
Speaker 1: how scary it was at times, and how you were like,
53:53
Speaker 1: how am I going to be able to use my hands?
53:54
Speaker 1: How am I going to practice? I just spent the
53:56
Speaker 1: last three, four, five, six, eight years with this goal
54:01
Speaker 1: in mind, and seconds gone. It's changed. But now what
54:08
Speaker 1: you said, that was eleven years.
54:10
Speaker 2: Ago, October two thousand and seven.
54:12
Speaker 1: Okay, eleven years later, we're sitting in your brand new
54:16
Speaker 1: office in Santa Monica. And that's because you had the
54:20
Speaker 1: mental toughness to not only believe that you were going
54:23
Speaker 1: to get through that without getting surgery, which is bananas,
54:28
Speaker 1: but then keep your head up when you had this
54:30
Speaker 1: idea and you had faith that you could create a
54:32
Speaker 1: product that was bleep in epic. Yeah, and that's dope.
54:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's overwhelming, it's it's but it's a cool thing.
54:43
Speaker 1: It's a cool thing. Yeah, it's a cool thing. That
54:45
Speaker 1: take it to help a lot of people.
54:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge blessing.
54:48
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for sitting down with me.
54:51
Speaker 2: No, thanks for doing this. This is really cool. I'm
54:53
Speaker 2: glad to met you in New York. Was kind of serendipitous,
54:55
Speaker 2: that serendipitous.
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55:03
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55:06
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Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast. Jason. Where do they find you? Where
55:16
Speaker 1: do they find Theragun? Give them the lowdown?
55:19
Speaker 2: Uh.
55:20
Speaker 1: Instagram is at theragun.
55:22
Speaker 2: You can email me at DJW at farragun dot com.
55:25
Speaker 2: We have an office in Santa Monica. It's a really
55:27
Speaker 2: cool place, like.
55:27
Speaker 1: You said, And what's your social handle?
55:31
Speaker 2: Mine is doctor Jason worzland d R J s O
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Speaker 2: n W E R s l A n D. I
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Speaker 2: know when I did it, there wasn't doctor j wasn't available,
55:42
Speaker 2: which it was.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I am at Emily
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Speaker 1: and body another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.