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Is The Rock Coming Back To WWE? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #710 – 9/21/23 · THE STILL REAL TO US SHOW – Real Guy Radio

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It's still Wowcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition is The Real Show Show
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EPISO number seven hundred and ten, September twenty first, two thousand and twenty
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three. Welcome to this week's edition of the ass teen You. I am
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one half of the show. I am Jeff Peck, joined every single week
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with my cost one on Dtor Trey Franklin, Doctor Trey. Where were you
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in the Rock Return? My Frand? I mean that the Sean Connery movie,
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James Gandel Ceni. I think that was nineteen nineteen. Dwayne, Dwayne
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the Rock Johnson. Oh ye, we're doing We're doing the USFL podcast.
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We're doing the back talking about the USFL XFL merger. No no, no,
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no, no, no, we're not. That's not the We were
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saving that for Christmas time. Oh yeah yeah. Oh so The Rock and
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Pat on Pat McAfee's show. Yeah yeah, that's one part. It's one
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part, the other part being Smack it Down. Oh yeah, yeah,
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So I was it was Friday night. I was actually watching Big Bang Theory.
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So he runs a Big Bang Theory. Wow, Okay. Every now
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and then, like if I'm having a bad day, I just watched Comedies
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to feel better, so I hear you. Yeah, but uh I will
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I saw I saw the clips afterwards. It was fantastic, So yeah,
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that was great. I just wondered, like, so does the Rock is
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Pat McAfee wearing Rocks clothing now? Or is Rock wearing Pat McAfee clothing now?
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Who warred first? I think Pat McAfee's wearing the Rocks clothing, right,
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Well. I did read that Rock had say when they talked to Vince
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last year they were drinking Rocks to keep. So I just didn't know if
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every because Rock's got like seven brands out there, you know, so you
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know, Pat McAfee could learn for the best for his braining as well.
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But yeah, like everybody wore black, everybody wore that is Pat McAfee.
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I mean, that is certainly what he does. Rock was wearing his underarm
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or Project Rock stuff through his nice jacket into the crowd. So yeah,
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it was. It was a pretty eventful Friday Friday afternoon, Doctor Trap Rock
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on the Pat McAfee show, Part one of this, he comes out and
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says that a Wrestlemany thirty nine match with Roman Rains was locked in and then
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it was like booked almost fifteen months in advance, like that was the plan,
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and then that as it got closer, they were looking for something that
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would make it special and they couldn't find that something, so they decided to
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reverse course or maybe the Rock had another movie. Nonetheless, that was the
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first time you heard it from Rock's mouth that that match for Rustle Many thirty
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nine against Roman Rains was quote locked in. I was pretty surprised to hear
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that. It's a it's the thing that we've been thinking about for a while,
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like that was the direction they were gonna go, but you just never
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know what w W wait. But to hear Rock say and I was like,
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wow, Okay, there's something to this now. Yeah, because we
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don't really hear about matches that were locked in that got scrapped. You know,
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we don't really hear about those. I mean really, there's only been
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a handful in history that can think if I know, at one point,
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was it WrestleMania five? Was it five? Was Hogan said? Justice Macho
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Man and Flair seven? Eight? That was eight in Indiana? And and
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Flair has said that you know it was supposed to be him and Hogan and
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then Vincere. First course, and went with Savage Flair, Hogan Justice.
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Uh, you know the Eddie Greyer Shawn Michaels WrestleMania twenty six match, I
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believe is one that has been talked about that that was the direction they were
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gonna go. And then, you know, we couldn't go that route.
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So I'd actually hear another wrestler come out, a wrestler come out and say,
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hey, this was locked in and four fifteen months and then we couldn't
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find an angle to come up or find it something. I love a quote.
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We couldn't find something special to make it work. Yeah, I don't
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know what that's about. I don't know if that meant like Rock was gonna
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win to me, like what is specially because I mean storyline wise, I
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mean you came up with a gray one, like tying Rock's mom into it.
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Yeah, you know that would have been a great storyline for that.
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And then plus we saw it teased on the TV show Young Rock, you
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know, like it was alluded to on that show, like yeah, it
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was like all kind of saw that the tea leaves were out there, but
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when somebody comes down and goes, yeah, we couldn't figure ou how to
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make it special. It's like, that's weird. Was it the was it
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the money? Like the storyline wise, I mean, dear god, there's
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so many ways you go that to make it special. But is it a
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like to me that just came down to money or who or creative? So
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that's a little bit weird. But actually it's like you have something to come
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out and say this is where we're gonna go. It was locked in.
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We just couldn't find the special sauce to make your work is a little surprising.
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It money, creative or timing, I feel like is all around.
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And I think with rock schedule, WWE's at their mercy. It was something
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to hear him say that. And then, of course the follow up to
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all that entire thing is what about restumning forty in Philadelphia? And he is
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open to a WrestleMania forty match. So that was the second part of that
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Friday where it's like thirty nine was supposed to happen against Roman. He's open
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a WrestleMania forty presumably Roman versus Rock, Like, what else would it be
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at this point, being that he came out and said that publicly Philadelphia April
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twenty twenty four, doctor Trey Rock is open to it. There is a
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strike in Hollywood right now, hence probably the reason why we'll talk about the
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third part here momentarily. It's definitely the main reason why what is proclaiming the
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greatest of all time is back on regular programming presently as well. But where
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do you put this likelihood? You've got Rock saying locked in for thirty nine
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they couldn't find that special thing so it got scrapped open or wrestluming e forty.
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What's the percentage chance that Rock is wrestling in a couple of months.
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I'm still have fifty fifty, because I mean, the writers strike can only
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go on for so long. I mean, people like we've had these,
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we've had the writer strike before, usually a last about three to four months
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before people go, hey, we don't have any decent TV or movies coming
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out right now, we probably should get this thing corrected. Yeah, it's
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got to me like if if timing wise, timing like this like now with
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the righter strike going on and we're only was we were in October a Rebot
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line towards and one, two, three, four or five or about six
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months, I don't see the ryer strike going six months, you know,
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so then the timing becomes any again, because you know as soon as the
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writer strike is over, there's gonna be just a wash of just a flood
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of things going into production. Ideally, to me, I guess it's fifty
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and fifty because if if you couldn't get it done last year because of timing
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or creative I don't know how you can say, hey, six months out,
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we're more than fifty percent. So the Rocks said, quote, there's
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restumaning in Philadelphia. I'm open the fans deserve something incredible and unprecedented ed quote,
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So something incredible and unprecedented. What is the only thing in Rock's mind
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which is incredible? I don't know necessarily enough, I'd say unprecedented. But
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is what Rock is thinking? Rock versus Roman? Is that incredible and unprecedented
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in your mind? Should they do WrestleMania forty I mean it's incredible in the
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sense of the same thing that you thought of ten years ago. We had
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WrestleMania twenty nine and thirty with Rock and Sena. It was kind of the
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generation clash. Unprecedented in the sense of maybe it's a fame. I mean,
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we just we just had father versus son last year, So I don't
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know if we can do if cousins is unprecedented, but you know it would
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be up there. I mean, could you do something very similar we had
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a few years ago with nWo and d X in the sense of in Anawa
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family civil war type thing breakout where certain members of the Nawa family are coming
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out to support Rock, some are coming out to support Roman, and you
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see the basic of the whole family layout. You'll be out there. That
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would be unprecedented and and special and maybe meet all the criteria. Maybe you
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get you know, Rock and Jimmy against you know, Rock and Jimmy against
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Roman, and Rock and Jay versus Jimmy and Roman, like that would be
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different and unique as well. Maybe you get a Rock and Ava against Naya
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and Roman. You know, that would be unpresident too. So there's ways
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to do it to make it unpresident special. But you know, if it's
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just Rock versus Roman, yeah, that'd to be special and unpresident. But
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in a sense we've kind of seen it with Hogan, Rock and Rock and
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see it with these like generational matchups. So I don't know, I don't
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know where I put it in that hierarchy. I think there's a lot of
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fans probably listen to this podcasts that are thinking at rustamaning forties should be the
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rematch of Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns a year later, and that should be
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the moment that Cody wins and the title has dropped to Cody and Roman finally
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loses. If they go in that Roman Rock direction, I would think that
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Roman retains and this title reign continues to nearly be four years come August twenty
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twenty four. What is the fan and you want to see at russellmaning forty
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for Roman reigns. Who do you want to see Roman reigns face in Philadelphia?
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Is it Rock, is it Cody or is it someone else? So
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I'm leaning Rock in Roman because of not only the family dynamic and you know,
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generationals of but also like I remember the Royal Rumble in Philadelphia that Roman
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one and Rock came out and the crowd and Philly bowed both of them out
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of the building. Like I kind of want to see what the Philadelphia crowd
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would do. So it's a Rock and Roman, I mean, I'm sure
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they'd be all on Rock side and everything else. But just that memory alone
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of them being inside I believe. I don't know if that was Lincoln Financial,
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if that was the Spectrum, the stadium they used in Philadelphier for the
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seventy six ers, but just that sound and that feeling of seeing like Rock
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holding Roman's hand and them booing the crap out of both of them. I
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just love a Philadelphia crowd. I just love. I want to through the
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drama. That's what I want. I want to Philadelphia crowd to create drama
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WrestleMania. Wow, that's true that Royal Rumble was in Philly. For some
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reason, I felt like it was Pittsburgh. I mean, it's Pennsylvania,
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Philly crowd. Was that a Philly crowd? Wow? That would be great
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A full circle moment, like ninety five percent sure that was Philly because I
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don't really, I don't know. Now you got me a questioning, Jeff,
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and you're the you're the historian about I was pretty sure that was Philly.
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Let's see, it was the twenty fifteen Royal Rumble, right, I
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believe, So you were right, wells Fargo Center. It was the year
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before that was twenty fourteen. That was in Pittsburgh. So you're absolutely right.
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Wells Fargo Center in philadelp That would be a great full circle. I
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liked that little tidbit, Doctor Trey. See every now that I have good
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ideas. I mean, it's not as good as them fighting over the Rocks
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mom, but uh, that was supposed to be the acknowledgement ceremony that I
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had pitched that idea. Like, I was like, I know, I'm
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not supposed to do this. However, what if this is what happens?
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And you were like, man, that was that was something and who knows,
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maybe that was the plan. I don't know, used wives and daughters,
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bringing somebody, I mean a Shelton's mama. Uh, but bringing the
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Rocks mom indeo something like that, that would be fantastic. Yeah. You
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just wanted to see something where like Roman pushed it too far and it was
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like you will acknowledge me and is forcing the Rock's mom to do it.
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You know, people would be like, oh shit, he is coming.
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This is not He's not gonna not allow that to happen. There are very
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few wrestlers that get me hyped. Doctor Trey. Rock is number one.
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It's Rock, It's Austin. I always was more of a Rock guy than
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an Austin guy. And Rock being talking about wrestling, being involved in wrestling,
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I always get hyped for it. It was the wrestling. I went
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to a wrestling in twenty nine. I made a point to go to Survivor
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Series two thousand and twelve when Rock returned an MSG to tag with John Cena
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against formiable tag team known as the Awesome Truth. Rock gets me hyped.
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So I saw all those those quotes and clips from Pat mcafe's show Friday afternoon
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and then Friday begins and go get some dinner, hang out, tune off
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of social media, what have you. And I totally missed that Sean ross
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Sap of Fightful had tweeted out that unconfirmed reports from a staffer on the Pat
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McAfee show stated that Pat McAfee and The Rock would be making an appearance on
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SmackDown on Friday night. I did not see that. I tuned into Friday
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Night SmackDown late, put on the DVR. Saw McAfee was hyped up,
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not even clicking at that moment, I'm like, wait, they're in Colorado,
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Like, Rock isn't that far away from the show, And when he
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says the people's champs line or you know what that means when you talk about
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the people and Rock came out, I was like, this is this is
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one of those moments. This is a great moment. And seeing him return
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and then the backstage stuff with Sina and then Sena tweeted this out. I
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think he tweeted out and it was absolutely perfect. It was like, this
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is one of those moments that we remember why we're wrestling fans to begin with.
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It's very few and far between anymore, especially when you get older,
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like Doctor Trey and I do, and you've seen everything under the sun and
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professional wrestling for you know, the last forty forty five fifty years that we've
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been watching professional wrestling like this is it's few and far between, Like when
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Steve Boston wrestled Kevin Owens at Wrestlemaning thirty eight, Like I had that same
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moment where I like escaped reality. That's what I got when Rock returned on
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SmackDown this past Friday night, and I get it. It's nostalgia. It's
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the generation of wrestling that I didn't necessarily grow up with but probably has one
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of the biggest stamps in my life as that attitude. Era absolutely loved every
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minute of it, Doctor Trey, and it was a very special moment where
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was the raw surprise wrestling fans is past Friday Night. It also reminds us,
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and I don't mean us as in the older gjenergy, but just wrestling
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fans in general, that certain guys just have that hit factor and just get
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it and understand crowds and understands their own energy. And guys like Rock even
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Pat McAfee, Like I mean, you're talking about guys that you just get
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hyped for seeing. I do get hype for Pat McAfee as well, Like
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he just has like he's like a kid in a candy store. And Rock
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is the same way in Austin when he comes out, and you know,
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even to maybe a little bit lesser Stanse even Hogan when he's out there in
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the rings. Some of these guys that have been around forever just they get
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it. And especially when you're kind of in your the latter stages of your
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career or in your retirement stages, you don't get those moments very often.
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So when you get the opportunity, you kind of take it all in and
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make it even more special and soak every ounce of energy from that because this
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guy tied you over for a while, Like you know, even Sena now
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is Sena comes out. You just you can tell those guys who're just having
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a ball, and that energy always translates. And sometimes when we watch our
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favorite guys and it feels like they're kind of going through the motions, they
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kind of I don't say they they're plateauing in a sense, but you kind
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of feel that. And we've talked about the other guys in the past,
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or you know, you get the Owens insane wrestling each other and you can
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tell they're just having fun. You know, that energy is so like contagious
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and you just go like doesn't matter what you're doing, you just stop everything.
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You're like, this is just fun. And those are the moments we
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as wrestling fans crave. Is just when you see the guys having fun,
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being themselves and not really giving a crap, like they're just out there just
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to entertain the crowd and have fun. Like those are the moments that we
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remember the most. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. I think you summed
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it up pretty perfectly there, Like you could tell on their faces how great
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of a moment of it is. You could tell on the fans faces how
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great of a moment it is, and you kind of just want to live
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in the moment a little bit because those types of moments are few and far
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between, because as people's careers advanced forward, as Dwayne Johnson and John Cena
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become busier with their work schedules, there are very few instances you get to
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see those guys on television, let alone at the same time. But on
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you know, was it Friday September fifteenth, we had the Rock and John
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Cena twenty twenty three on the same episode of SmackDown. I would have never
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guessed that a year ago, a couple of months ago, a couple of
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weeks ago. So it's like you get done watching SmackDown, which was a
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solid episode, and you just go, holy shit, Rock and Sina were
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on the same episode. Not taped, not pre taped, not sending in
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videos. They were there, presently there and it's not Heading and Wrestle any
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season. Very cool moment, Doctor Trey, and again, I think the
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perfect way to sum it up, one of those moments where you remember why
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you're arresting fans. So it was cool to see the Rocks comments and then
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appearance this past Friday as he made his return to w w A and who
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knows, maybe he makes his return again. What are we taking here?
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Doctor Trey? Over under? What are we September twenty first, over under
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four and a half months for the next appearance of Dwayne the Rock Johnson in
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w WA. I'm gonna go under because for some reason, I'm gonna say
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that I think we might get another Seen a Rock tag match. What if
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you got seen in Rock against the Waller in theory, I'm pretty cool.
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That would be very cool. You know, Rock comes out, he's there
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with Theory. Theory has a tie in with Sena from you know, WrestleMania.
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We just saw Sena on the Waller Show. Like, to me,
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that'd be a good kind of maybe a passing of the torch, but two
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guys that get in the rough from two legends, you know. And if
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you're Rock, if you if you're already playing on having a WrestleMania match,
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don't you need to kind of you know, need a match in between to
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be that buffer to kind of get you to get the rust off, so
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to speak. A good little tag match with John and Damn I forgot about
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them to teaming up against the Awesome Truth, and I think that was what
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my favorite tag teams with that little Era a little I love to heal our
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Truth, but I totally forgot we got Sena and Rock tagging up at that
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point. That's how they That's how he came back for the first time in
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like eight years. I think it was from WrestleMania twenty to then Survivor Series
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twenty twelve, and that was the night that Seampunk won the championship from Del
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Rio and started the four hundred thirty four day Rain as w E champion.
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So who knows, but great points there. Again, you have the Rock
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in the ring with Awesome theory. Later in the night you had seen in
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the ring with Grayson Waller piggybacking off of your idea. Maybe like an LA
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night Rock Scena versus Miss Waller theory could be something that would make sense if
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schedules aligned as well. So cool stuff going on in w with this past
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Friday, and again one of those moments that made you feel like, damn,
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this is why I'm a wrestling fan, this is why I watch this.
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Shiit Switching Gears PWI released their five hundred. Their top ten wrestlers list
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is the stuff that we annually look at here on SRTU each year. So
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I'm gonna go through the list ten to one and we'll get your thoughts here.
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Doctor Trey on the list, NFPWI got it right this year coming in
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number ten from wwis Cody Rhodes coming in at number nine, and I know
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Doctor Trey's gotta like this from Impact Wrestling. Josh Alexander coming at number eight
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from AW, Orange Cassidy. I love that call coming in at number seven
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from New Japan because it's Go Okada coming in at number six from AW,
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the current AW World Champion m JF unless he loses at Grand Slam. We
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are recordings before Grand Slam coming at number five from Triple A. He O
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del Vi Kingo coming to number four from w E. Gunther coming to number
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three from AW, John Moxley coming to number two from w E. Roman
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Reigns coming in at number one from WW, seth ron So, Cody at
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ten, Alexander at nine, Orange Cassidy eight, Okada seven, MJF six,
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if A, Kingo, five, gun Through four, Moxley three,
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Reigns two Rollins one did p W, I get it right, doctor try,
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I mean not entirely. I mean they're top tens. I mean it's
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hard to argue with the people in the top ten. I mean I would
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have moved a couple of things around within that top ten. But I mean,
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really you start going outside of the people you mentioned, it's like there's
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not really somebody that jumps out that. Oh my god, I can't believe
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they left that guy out of the top ten. Maybe maybe a Snana,
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you know, maybe because I mean, isn't he the current new Japan champion.
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He is ye champ and he's been the champ for a little while.
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But you know, name value wise, I think they're ten are higher than
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him. But you know, me personally, I would have maybe flipped Orange
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Cassidy and Josh Alexanderwers because Josh had the Impact World chap for quite a long
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time and Orange Cassidy for even though having the international titles great, it's still
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not a main event spot. But you can be said, maybe if the
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aid of mid card is as high as the Impact main event pictures so and
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then definitely I would have flipped Roman in SETH. I mean that's just Roman
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is still the reason why everybody seems to turning, Like, I don't know
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anybody watch tunes in just to watch seth on Raw, But I do know
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people who specifically watch SmackDown and see what the bloodline is doing. So maybe
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he switches and then I don't know. Do you rank MJF behind mox I
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think so, yeah. Mox have been the workhorse of AW but Mjf's kind
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of the guy. I mean, they just built the biggest show of the
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year around him JF. So I mean that's that you have to say something
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for that as well. So I think the last couple of months have made
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have helped save MJF character wise, for you know, the amount of time
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he's wrestling, right, I mean the biggest thing was he didn't wrestle all
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that much, which may have been you know, the planned or part of
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the heel character. Moxley is the workhorse. I think I would move I
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think i'd move Orange Cassidy up Doctor Try. I think i'd have Orange Cassidy
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knocking on the top five. You want to talk about workhorses, I thought,
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I'm happy that Orange Cassdy is getting acknowledge in the top ten, but
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I would I think i'd move him up. I think i'd move Cody up
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a lot more as well. I don't think i'd have him at ten,
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but I think I'm okay. I think I'm fine with the top four.
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I think I'm good with Rollins at one, Reigns two, Moxley three,
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Gun through four. I think I think i'd go Cody five, Orange,
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Cassidy six, MJF seven. Do you have Elvi Kingo in your top ten?
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I don't. I don't. I'm a fan of his work, I
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am, and I know we have the thing when he made his initial like
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aw debut and I was like, this is how I felt when I watched
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Raymisterio in ninety five ninety six and ww and you disagreed. But I don't
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think the Kingo is a top five wrestler. I don't watch Triple A all
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that much, so that's just what I'm going off of. Do I think
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he's a top ten star? Maybe? Maybe? I don't know. I
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don't. I have not seen enough of his work and follow him to sit
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here and say that I think he is a top five wrestler, let alone
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a top ten. Yeah, because I don't know what they're basing their rankings
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off of because every year they kind of they're vague in what they how they
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rank stuff. I'm like, of course, yeah, if you're going off
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pure entering talent, is it best quote unquote professional wrestler slash pors entertainer?
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Like where does it fall? Like? You know, like I do I
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think the King goes a bad wrestler? No? Do I think that the
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people who follow him kind of get him more than I do? Yeah,
25:23
because you actually probably know the storyline, the history things like that. Like
25:30
that's That's where I'm liking. I mean, but when you look at like
25:32
overall for the year, do you put up the King go ahead of a
25:34
Sammy's Ain and Kevin Ellens? You know? Do you put them ahead of
25:37
a Jay Husso? You know, do you had to put ahead of even
25:41
Austin Theory who had a great run through Shamus had a solid run? You
25:47
know, like uh, you know Darby like Darby's run, you know,
25:51
like things like the T and you know the different T and T champions like
25:56
some O job and for nine months almost a year, I think now,
26:00
so there are some guys that on paper I probably put ahead of the KINGO.
26:04
But then again I also know that they like to put people on top
26:07
ten that will shock folks and get people talking about it. Plus you put
26:12
your BLA guy in there, does that increase your Hispanic readership? You know,
26:18
a new japan guy and does that increase your Japanese readership? So I
26:22
know they try to do that as well to kind of help boost their ratings.
26:25
But hey, I mean, hey, doctor try But I mean I
26:26
think there's like a glaring on mission as we talked through this, where the
26:30
fuck is Will Osprey? Uh, he's British so they don't count. I
26:36
mean he but I know we're right, you're kidding around here, but like
26:38
he deserves to be in this, He's like a top five guy. Yeah,
26:42
Osprey, I'd put Osprey in over you know, the KINGO. I
26:47
know you love Orange, but I think you love Osprey more than Rage Cassidy.
26:51
Yeah, I'd probably I would probably round off now that I threw it
26:55
out there. As we talked this out, I think I would probably put
26:56
Osprey like I think i'd put him. I think i'd put him ahead of
27:02
Gun through at four, put Gun through five. No, I don't,
27:04
I don't know if I put ahead of Gun through I mean that. I
27:07
mean Osprey has had a phenomenal year. I know he's been battling injury New
27:11
Japan Cup, he was her, but I mean Osbrey in the last three
27:15
months is really pushing the envelope of like, is this one of the best
27:22
wrestlers in the world right now? And maybe it's also like, you know,
27:26
the guys have gotten hot in the last couple of months. Maybe because
27:30
of that point, the ready's already set. But I mean gun Through had
27:33
four I mean literally broke a record, almost a forty year old record.
27:37
I mean that's pretty incredible. So I always still have gun Through ahead of
27:41
Osprey, but I'd have Osprey probably at five. Yeah, back everybody elself
27:48
off that I'm a hell I've been. Depending on the year, I mean,
27:49
I might put Osprey ahead of Mocks. Yeah, I feel like a
27:53
very solid year, But I don't think it's I don't think Mox this year
27:56
is better than Mocks his first year in a w I think he's probably getting
28:03
a ton of credit for everything that he's done to keep that company flow.
28:07
Yeah, following brawl Out, I mean that was something else what he did
28:11
there. I mean him Danielson Jericho really kept that company going in a really,
28:15
really dark time in that company's very small history. So I do think
28:19
he deserves a lot of praise. He wrestles every freaking week, probably too
28:23
much blood for my liking, but wrestles every freaking week. Where did they
28:27
put Osbury? I don't know. I only have the top ten. I
28:30
could take a look while we're talking that out. But so two questions here.
28:37
Let's start with the first one. Josh Alexander, your big Josh Alexander
28:41
guy. I don't see enough of his work. Is he top ten material?
28:45
Yeah, I mean he's I mean literally the reason Impact hasn't gone out
28:48
of business was Josh was carry that company much like your talk about box.
28:52
He was wrestling every single pay per view or every single you know, Impact
28:56
taping he was on. And then he got hurt, which is kind of
29:00
what maybe limited him a little bit, but really, up until the time
29:04
he got injured, I mean, he was carrying that company. And then
29:07
they're putt him in the ring with everybody, and I mean, that's one
29:10
thing I love about him, is like you can put him in the ring
29:11
with a Chris Saban or a Leo Rush and he can have a great match,
29:15
and he put in the ring with the matches he was having with Bully
29:18
Ray, We're just phenomenal because they're just hard hitting action pack and then great
29:22
stories with like Bully pulling in Josh's wife and kid into the mix. Like
29:29
some of us, it was just great sports entertainment. Some of it is
29:32
great pure wrestling. You know. The reason w became with Josh Alexander fan
29:36
was just the crazy the fact that he wore headgear and then I watched him
29:38
work and I'm like, Damn, this guy is good, and they just
29:41
kind of carried over and you've really like outside of you know, I have
29:47
an affinity for the Rascals because I know those boys and uh, you know
29:51
the murder State machine guns and a couple of people like He's really carried impact
29:56
over the last two years really more than anything else, and you allow them
30:00
to kind of play off of that, and hell, we got a Steve
30:03
Cutler world title out of that because of Josh Alexander. It made Steve Cutler
30:10
relevant in professional wrestling. The rest of the list here Leven is Sonata who
30:15
you mentioned, Claudiacastin only twelve Carmelo has thirteen, Samo Joe fourteen, Masha
30:21
Slamovic fifteen, Brian Danielson's sixteen, Will Osbury seventeen, Alexander Hammerstone eighteen,
30:27
Bobby Lashley nineteen, Trey mcgil speaking the Rascals twenty, so Osbury's at seventeen.
30:33
I mean that to me is a huge slight and not to mention,
30:37
you don't have Sammy Zane the year he had or jay Usso in your top
30:41
twenty. Kevin Owens is at twenty one, Sammy Zane is at twenty two.
30:45
See if I can find jay Usso here fifty three. I don't see
30:55
him yet. This makes for a good podcast while I'm looking for this.
31:00
You also mentioned Roman should be number one, Rollins should be number two.
31:04
I always felt like in the history of this show, I was more of
31:07
the Rains guy that would support Rains. You are more of the Rowlins guy.
31:11
Why are we Why are we flipping on this all of a sudden?
31:14
Why did we do a double turn? I don't know why. I don't
31:17
know we did a double turn for me though, Like I said, when
31:18
it comes down to who the best professional wrestler slash sports entertainer, and that's
31:25
what I'm looking at that framework of what wrestling entertainment is. Like I said,
31:30
I know, people, for a fact tune in every single week for
31:33
the Bloodline stuff. I don't know anybody who goes, hey, I'm watching
31:37
raw just to accept us, And that to me has always been a telling
31:41
point. It's it's the Howard Stern effect, if you will. When it
31:45
came when it came to shock Jock Radio, like people would tune in because
31:48
they love Howard. Certain the people who hated Howard would twudn't just to see
31:52
what he was saying next. And I feel that way about Roman in the
31:55
Bloodline storyline, and it says he's the focal point of that. I give
31:59
him more of the rub off of it. And I legitly know people who
32:02
are not wrestling fans but want to either see Roman lose or see Roman smash
32:07
somebody every single Friday night. I know there. I know people are like,
32:09
oh, I literally know there's one person I know who says they watch
32:14
Rosdy Wood excuse me when they watch Rossey with Seth's going to wear. But
32:22
I don't know anybody who goes, I tuned in every single week to see
32:24
what Seth Rollins is going to do. I know people who tuned into Raw
32:28
because hey, row has been a really good show for quite a while,
32:32
But I don't know if anybody's tuning into specifically see just Seth. And that's
32:37
why we give Roman the nod over Seth when it comes to you know,
32:42
top rest top professional wrestling wrestling entertainers in the world. I cannot find Jayuso
32:50
at all? Did you find Jimmy Elise? Is there an in the middle?
32:54
I found Solo at thirty eight? Oh my gosh, yeah, I
33:00
unless I'm completely wrong here. Did they just leave him off the list because
33:07
they're a tag team? Is there the tag Did they have the top the
33:09
top they usually have? They have like the tag team. I think they're
33:15
starting to do that, but like, I don't know. By the way,
33:20
before you read this, did you know who Monster Slamma Fish was not?
33:23
Really? No? Okay? And yet she's fifteenth. Yeah she's an
33:28
impact right, yes? And she was in a Ring of Honor for a
33:31
while too, and I know she wasn't Was she in GCW as well?
33:38
Yeah? She was one of the first big like crossover females to wrestle males
33:45
because size wise she kind of matches up like she's a pretty I don't want
33:49
to say she's a beast. I mean she's a really tough woman. And
33:54
that's why I think she got a little bit of credibility going in for the
33:58
GCW stuff because they'd have her out there wrestling John Wayne Murdoch and Nick Gage
34:05
and some of those other guys because she looks legitily like she could beat their
34:08
asses. So and a little bit saything an impact like you I've seen her,
34:13
like I saw Leo Rush walk past her. It looked like she was
34:16
walking, uh Gary Coleman out to take out the trash or something like.
34:21
It's just a huge size differential. But surprised they put her on the list
34:24
though, don't they do it? I know they do a female list.
34:28
I'm like, I'm not against it, so don't call me a misogynistic pig,
34:31
but I don't know, it just seems seems strange. Ever in the
34:36
top you're asking the wrong guy. I probably probably because it's a she does
34:45
so much intergender that's why they ranked her. But once again, like she
34:49
was, China was ranked one oh six of the top five hundred and two
34:52
thousand. There you I mean so, but once again, like top fifteen,
34:55
Like, I mean, once again to me, if you will Osprey,
35:00
like come on, yeah, Like, but if you're not the main
35:02
event person on your show or top two or three on your show, your
35:08
own show, will you really be in the top twenty. Yeah, Like
35:15
I I'd write see Jay White in the top twenty. Romster slam of Vish
35:17
because he was least for half the year headlining New Japan stuff in the last
35:22
few months, you know, really helping carry collision. So he's a featured
35:29
part of two shows he's been on, you know. But Masha Slamovic,
35:34
Like, I mean, really, she's them. I think she's one half
35:37
of the Impact Tag Team Women's Tag Team Champions And I'm like, she's not
35:40
even the Impact Women's Champion, Like she's half of the Tag Team Champions and
35:45
yet fifteen. Hey, that's why people do these less It's to be like,
35:50
well, how could you not put Osprey in the top ten, top
35:52
five, but you got Masha Slamovich in there at fifteen, Like that's that's
35:57
a whole purpose of it. It's uh, gets people talking. Yeah,
36:00
Marsha Slamavich also sounds like a name that came from the glow era of wrestling,
36:04
True or a late nineties band that covers corn and slip knot. Oh
36:13
yeah, there we got. Okay, there you go, you got.
36:14
We're dating ourselves here, duct try and I switching over to a W Doctor
36:20
Trey. There's been a lot of news lately that a W will be growing
36:24
their pay per view list to twelve a year ak the w W E model.
36:30
We have Russell Dream in a couple of weeks, which will actually preview
36:35
and predict on next week's edition of SRTU preview in the first ever Russell Dream
36:40
Show. And then they're gonna have Full Gearrant in November. And there's rumors
36:45
that I think in late December they are going to have another pay per view
36:52
in December, So I mean that would give you we just followed the revolution
36:58
and double or model, but since then it would be forbidden Door. It
37:02
would be all in, all out Russell Dream, Full Gear and whatever.
37:07
This December pay per view is so six AW pay per views, and anybody
37:10
who watches an AW pay per view, yes they're solid, the good shows,
37:14
but damn they are freaking long. They may want to rethink that that's
37:17
what we're discussing here today. However, there's a lot of news and notes
37:22
out there saying that in twenty twenty four, don't be surprised if AW believe
37:25
Andrews zerain Zarian had said this from Wrestling Observer came out and said that he
37:34
has heard that AWW going on HBO Max. HBO Max just launched the Sports
37:37
Tier. I believe this week how badly does AW have a streaming system?
37:44
A need to have a streaming service, doctor Trey for their growing list of
37:47
pay per view events, because I think the model, if it continues to
37:52
expand, fans will not be as likely to want to spend over fifty bucks
37:55
a pop for a pay per view that you run every single month. And
38:00
so, now have you have you bought any of the AW pay per views
38:06
in the last six months? I have not. No, Okay, I
38:08
have not either, because a lot of it is also is I don't know
38:12
how to like you, and I were joking off air earlier, I don't
38:14
know how to get certain things from my phone or my laptop onto my TV
38:17
because you're nine old. Yeah, so that that this is also gonna be
38:22
one of those episodes of yelling at Clouds podcast at some point. I like
38:27
it that there's a difficulty in that for people of certain ages, Like I
38:30
like, I can watch it on my laptop, But if I've got a
38:34
sixty five inch TV, don't I want to watch it? If I'm paying
38:36
sixty bucks for a pay per view, I probably want to watch on the
38:37
bigger TV. But to have it on a platform, uh, like a
38:45
Max. You know they dropped the HBO part. It's now just Max where
38:49
they can stream it straight to the TV, much like Peacock or or you
38:52
know, Rest in Peace WW network, it would make things a lot simple
38:58
for anything. Can put it on a tiered plat form where hey, I'm
39:00
playing, I'm paying a flat rate and I get all the content for the
39:04
flat rate. Look, I'm not going to spend sixty bucks on an aw
39:09
pay per view every single month. It's just not practical for somebody that has
39:14
a family. But if you can give me in a tiered program like Peacock
39:17
or what the Net or what the network was, hey, it makes much
39:21
more sense for my budget. I'm more likely to watch your product at that
39:23
point as well, So it would make a ton of sense in the growing
39:30
the brand outward and look, if you're HBO Max, I get it for
39:35
freaks. I'm AT and T customer. But you know, if I'm paying
39:37
ten bucks a month, rightbo Max, and you're reming the ten bucks a
39:39
month for the sports package and I can actually watch some Major League Baseball games
39:45
on there as well, Like that's something I can get into because it's it's
39:47
crossing all of my loves at that point. Yeah, I think I pay
39:52
over one twenty now. I paid annually for Peacock because I figured it.
39:57
I was like, I'm just gonna do the annual subscription now and not paid
40:00
fine nine nine ninety nine a month for this crap. Just do it all
40:04
in one shot. Save I don't think twenty bucks, maybe two months worth
40:07
of payments at that point. So I did that. Would I be inclined
40:10
to do an HBO Max ten dollars a month and the sports here for another
40:15
ten for twenty bucks a month just to watch aw pay for using whatever content
40:20
is out there? I don't know there's been some trademarks out there. Yeah,
40:25
go ahead if you say, if you've got some Yankees games and some
40:29
Packers games sprinkled in with that package. Though, with that change your mind.
40:32
It's funny you say that, but I mean that's the reason why I
40:35
have my streaming service. My television streaming service is to watch Yankee games.
40:39
Amazon Prime Video to watch Yankee games, and I have the NFL Sunday Ticket
40:44
on YouTube to watch Packers. So it's that's where you're ahead of me on
40:47
because I don't have all because the Cubs just now got their own platform,
40:52
the Marquee on Marquee Sports, and I still cannot show out the money es
40:58
much as I love my Nighters, I found a service. I stream it
41:00
illegally for free. Don't don't arrest me for it. Something like, but
41:05
man, at one point when the Apple of Network package was or when the
41:07
NFL packed Sunny think, it was like five hundred bucks. So there's no
41:10
way I can afford that. So you know, at least like with your
41:14
situation, it's much more affordable now, so you could do it. But
41:19
for me, like I don't need to watch every single Cubs games, but
41:22
if you can sprinkle some in for that extra ten bucks a month and maybe
41:27
you know a couple extra Niners games, then I'd be more for that.
41:30
Now with you and you your proximity to the YES network and stuff like that.
41:36
You know, your cost is probably a little bit more affordable than me
41:38
trying to get it all the way out in the middle of nowhere, Alabama.
41:42
Yeah, And that's my thing is, I was trying to make the
41:45
point of that, you know, all these streaming services you have, do
41:47
add up? If I already have Peacock, and if I already have Disney
41:52
Plus and Paramount Plus or Apple TV Plus or whatever Netflix in my family household,
42:00
will I add twenty bucks a month at let's just say, two hundred
42:04
bucks a year to have it for the package just to watch AW pay per
42:07
views. I don't know. It's something kind to give there. Or should
42:13
AW do a model that is similar or equivalent to their competition in W eight.
42:19
I think they should. I think it should be similar packages to what
42:22
Peacock is. If it's that, then I may sholl it out. I
42:25
may sholl out to watch the twelve shows a year plus whatever content is on
42:30
HBO Max or the sports here, like I'm doing right now with Peacock.
42:35
It's it's tough, it's but at the end of the day, I can't
42:38
pay fifty bucks a month for every single one of these paper views, Like,
42:43
that's just that's just ludicrous. You want to talk about money, that's
42:45
just ludicrous. So AW does need a streaming service. They at one point
42:49
I had trademark AW Plus, So they must have some sort of plan or
42:52
envision that they're going to go the direction at some point, or maybe just
42:55
a name they're gonna keep in their back pocket. So how bad do they
43:00
need it? Pretty damn badly, especially if you're growing your list of pay
43:02
per view events. I expect in the next couple of months there will be
43:07
some sort of announcement, doctor Trey. I feel like this is a very
43:10
early twenty twenty four event where AW announces where you can start watching their pay
43:15
per views at a much more convenient location and at hopefully a much more convenient
43:21
price. Yeah, I agree. I think I think it's coming sooner than
43:24
later. My hope is, though, when they announced this, we'll actually
43:29
get a hecking order of AW pay per views, so we know which ones
43:32
are the most important ones, in which ones our secondary shows, because we'll
43:36
be nice. I have no idea which is which right now, because I
43:38
mean literally, they did pay per views a week apart, so I don't
43:42
really know which is important which ones aren't. That's always the big debate here
43:45
is is this the big show? Double or nothing? I don't know.
43:47
Is it all out? I don't know. I don't think it's revolution.
43:52
I don't think it's full gear. I think it's either double or nothing and
43:54
all out. And now that you've had all in at Wembley, it could
43:58
be all in. We need to know what the WrestleMania is of AW,
44:01
so AW have to outline that. I totally agree with doctor Trey. Nobody
44:06
asked Tony con he's very act money. Nobody has ever asked him that.
44:09
I think that's a great thing to ask him, Like what is your starcade?
44:14
What is your WrestleMania? Tell me, hey, you you run the
44:17
SRTU page. There you go. I don't know if another thing. If
44:22
if Elon starts charging us for Twitter, there won't be a SRTU podcast,
44:25
Twitter feed much more longer. Either sure we go truth social true yeah,
44:31
or be real or threads. I guess we could go to last thing I
44:37
want to bring up here. At the close of Monday Night, Raw Jusso
44:40
Drew Mcatarre Jusso gets the l after the Judgment Day interferes Drew macutarcs and takes
44:47
advantage of the Judgment Day interference gets the one two three, leaving the ring.
44:52
Judgment Day starts beating down Jusso Mcatar staring at the beat down. Prior
44:57
to all this, Drew Mcatar didn't understand why peop where we're giving jus the
45:00
second chance. It costs him the championship with Clash of the Castle, all
45:02
the stuff that Jay Usso did while he's in the Bloodline, rightfully so.
45:07
So he's sitting there staring. Everybody's kind of cheering him on, like go
45:09
out there and go help him. Drew doesn't move. Cody Rhodes music hits,
45:14
he comes out, he makes the say for Jusso as Raw closes out,
45:17
which then gets everybody thinking is a Drew McIntyre he'll turn coming? And
45:22
the more I thought about it, I'm like, I think this is coming.
45:27
I'm down for it, and I think he could be feuding with Cody
45:30
Rhodes even more so I would be down with this. Doctor Trey, did
45:34
you get those spider sense he'll turn tingly feeling at the end of Raw this
45:38
past Monday, Yeah, I mean I had it across multiple, multiple scenarios
45:44
in there, because that's how my mind works, as like, oh,
45:46
what if you split the judgment day in Damian dominic and read go off to
45:51
one side and then Drew Finn and JD McDonough, you basically get like an
45:55
Irish guy like a United Kingdom Judgment Day. Then you have like a Hispanic
46:00
judgment day, like Hispanic Australian Judgment Day, like it's an international Judgment Day.
46:06
Like I was over places and I was like, oh yeah, don't
46:07
forget Drew and Cody were tag team champions at one point. Also like that
46:13
to tie into it, like there's so many ways to play with this,
46:15
and you go back to when Drew came back and had he was wearing all
46:20
the angry metal you know, stuff like that is like man, he basically
46:23
was like Damian Priest all his old wardrobe. I mean they could that can
46:28
matches up. I mean like there's a lot of ways to run with this,
46:30
and then you know, we do need maybe a Drew Heel turn because
46:36
as much as we love what Drew did during the pandemic era, I mean
46:38
the way they booked him since clashed the Castle He's almost like the forgotten main
46:42
eventor so it would be a good refresh for the Drew brand as well if
46:46
they do the heel turn with it. Yeah, great point there, because
46:50
there's been lots of mention of Drew being the guy to carry the company during
46:52
the pandemic and then being overshadowed by Rains. Once everything started to reopen again,
46:59
people started to decide Jay Usso while Drew still has the beef with him,
47:02
it's it's something that makes a lot of sense as to why he would
47:07
turn heel. And then I think the next step up off that element,
47:12
I'm totally down with the he'll turn. And then I think a Cody Drew
47:15
feud for like the rest of this year, maybe heading into the Royal Rumble
47:20
Doctor Trey, would be a ton of money and would make so much sense
47:22
for both those guys and would be a ton of fun to watch as a
47:25
wrestling fan. Give me a Cody Drew feud, give me a Drew heel
47:30
turn. Not to mention, we got your Vibray series coming up, and
47:34
if you pair Drew with a Judgment Day against a Cody j Sammy Kevin,
47:37
you know that would be pretty pretty fun too. I mean, just imagine
47:43
Drew Finn domin she Drew, Finn Dom and Damien in the double K in
47:49
the War Games cage with Cody, Kevin, Sammy and Jay. That would
47:52
be pretty fun to watch as well. Yeah, I think the direction of
47:57
war Games for Survivor series a year, presuming that's coming back, has to
48:00
be the Judgment Day at this point, right, I mean they, I
48:02
mean then we have with who got in the cage last year? Was it
48:06
Judgment Day or was it was it was Bloodline and uh what was it?
48:09
The brawling brutes, Kevin, Kevin Owens and Drew. Yeah, so it
48:16
makes sense to have Judgment Day in it this year because that was That's when
48:21
we looked at last year. Last year we're looking at was it gonna be
48:23
Judgment Day or Bloodline? And Bloodline got the call this year, Hey,
48:27
Judgment Day is the hot one of the hottest acts you have going maybe the
48:30
hottest, if not second hottest acts. Put them in the cage. Put
48:32
Cody in there, Jay, Sammy and Kevin. That's to me is something
48:37
I tuned in to watch. It's there you go, Drew possibly turning heel
48:43
feud with Cody give it to us and close out twenty twenty three strong on
48:46
the Raw brand. Lots of great stuff going on professional rest in right now,
48:51
and we will continue that trend on next week's edition the show when Doctor
48:55
Trey and I join you on the twenty eighth of September, and we will
48:59
preview and predict NXC no Mercy on Saturday and aw Russell Dream on Sunday.
49:04
All on next week's edition of SRTU. Would that said, let's get a
49:07
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in the state of Alabama. Also Wrestle Dream. Jeff, I don't know
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if that name is a better or worth than Green Balls of Fire, but
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I was pretty sure Wrestle Dream was my Monday nights back in the Adgman era
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after Stacy and Trish We're off TV dot Yeah. A good way to put
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