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The Late Debate | 29 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: You and I both public school boys, Paul. But there
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  Speaker 3: is a story speaking of radio Bob Francis s in Adelaide,
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  Speaker 3: who was a big talk back legend there, got his
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  Speaker 3: first job in radio by wearing his Prince Alfred College
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  Speaker 3: tied to his interview.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go, welcome home.
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  Speaker 2: That was going on. I know that was going.
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  Speaker 3: How Joe Hildebrand, did you get your job here at
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  Speaker 3: s Gone News?
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a public clor war as well, from the main
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  Speaker 2: streets of down and on to walk six miles to
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  Speaker 2: the snow and twelve miles home.
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  Speaker 1: So look at us wrapping it.
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  Speaker 4: What about you, Frey, I'm a private school girl. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: You're the top amongst us real people here on the
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  Speaker 3: Late Debate.
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  Speaker 1: Now, there's a big story about to break in.
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  Speaker 3: The next half hour. I can't say anymore yet, but
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  Speaker 3: stay tuned because you'll definitely want to know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: We'll bring that to you when it comes through.
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  Speaker 3: Meantime, the Victorian government's getting tough with new bail laws,
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  Speaker 3: or at least they will once they have enough prison.
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  Speaker 1: Beds to stop giving everyone bail.
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  Speaker 3: Will show you their ridiculous excuse, sorry for not getting
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  Speaker 3: things moving soon. In the papers, farmers now being asked,
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  Speaker 3: as part of their livestock accreditation whether animals are near
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  Speaker 3: wing farms, and understandably they're worried about what that could
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  Speaker 3: mean for their livelihoods. And you know those cameras that
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  Speaker 3: catch people using their phones while they're driving, You won't
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  Speaker 3: believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Shall we say creative.
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  Speaker 3: Excuses that people are coming up with to avoid being fined?
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  Speaker 3: But first, how would you like to be paid by
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  Speaker 3: the state government to ride your bike? Well, the New
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  Speaker 3: South Wales government has been secretly considering this idea. We
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  Speaker 3: now know that thanks to documents that were leaked to
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  Speaker 3: the Sydney Morning Herald. These were first circulated amongst bureaucrats
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  Speaker 3: and other members of the government in October looking at
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  Speaker 3: the idea of giving people tax rebates if they ride
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  Speaker 3: either an e bike or an e.
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  Speaker 1: Scooter to work.
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  Speaker 3: Now, apparently this has been done overseas, It's been done
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  Speaker 3: in Front, it's been done in the Netherlands, and in
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  Speaker 3: both of those cases they've seen significant increases in people
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  Speaker 3: riding either e bikes saw e scooters around because well,
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  Speaker 3: they're basically being paid to do so, so the New
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  Speaker 3: South Wales government says if it works over there, there
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  Speaker 3: may well be a chance it could work here. And
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  Speaker 3: according to Transport for New South Wales, which is the
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  Speaker 3: transport department in the state, they reckon the people who
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  Speaker 3: are already riding e bikes or e scooters could increase
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  Speaker 3: their trips on e bikes up to four times a
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  Speaker 3: month and an extra six times a month if you're
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  Speaker 3: riding around on an e scooter. The only problem though,
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  Speaker 3: because I understand how subsidies work. I mean, subsidies do
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  Speaker 3: encourage people to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear from people buying evs.
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  Speaker 3: When there are government subsidies in place, people will buy
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  Speaker 3: evs because it makes economic sense for them.
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  Speaker 1: To do so. As soon as you take those subsidies away,
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  Speaker 1: they stop buying.
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  Speaker 3: Evs because well, there's no particular reason to do it anymore.
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  Speaker 3: But the biggest problem with this, I think Joe, is
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  Speaker 3: that it's effectively a subsidy for people in the inner city,
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  Speaker 3: because let's be honest, Sydney is a big city with
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  Speaker 3: big urban sprawl and if you live like I do
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  Speaker 3: in Balmain, or you live in the Inner West, or
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  Speaker 3: you live in the Eastern suburbs or on the North
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  Speaker 3: Shore or whatever. Fine, I mean, you'll take some extra
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  Speaker 3: money from the government to go on by yourself an
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  Speaker 3: e bike and ride that to work instead of driving.
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  Speaker 3: It may even be quicker to get to work on
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  Speaker 3: an e bike than driving if you live in the
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  Speaker 3: inner city. But if you live in Penrith, where you
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  Speaker 3: live in Paramatta, or wherever it might be, you're not
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  Speaker 3: riding an e bike or an e scooter to work.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a handout to people effectively who needed
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  Speaker 3: the list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the question is not really how
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  Speaker 2: many more e bikes or bikes or whatever it results
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  Speaker 2: in being used, or the more people taking their e
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  Speaker 2: bikes who work before it. The question is how many
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  Speaker 2: cars does it take off the road, And that would
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  Speaker 2: then make it easier and better for people who are
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  Speaker 2: having to commute from far far far away and have
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  Speaker 2: to come in and then deal with the city traffic
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  Speaker 2: when they hit it. So, or that in any other
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  Speaker 2: capital city for that matter. So I think if it's
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  Speaker 2: so that if the data shows not just that it's
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  Speaker 2: increasing the use of e bikes, but that's not people
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  Speaker 2: who would otherwise be walking or using you know, public
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  Speaker 2: transport or whatever. But that it's actually taking cars off
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  Speaker 2: the road and reducing congestion, then that is the payoff
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  Speaker 2: for people who are coming in from further away. But
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  Speaker 2: I agree there is far there is never enough being
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  Speaker 2: done for people who basically can't afford to live closer
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  Speaker 2: to the city or as close as they would otherwise
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  Speaker 2: like to. And that is an increasing phenomenon, and it's
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  Speaker 2: increasing phenomenon with people who are starting having families, and
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  Speaker 2: of course when you're driving your family around and e
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  Speaker 2: bike is not necessarily an option. And we also know
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  Speaker 2: that the transport infrastructure just hasn't caught up with those places.
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  Speaker 2: So but if it looks if it works, it works.
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  Speaker 2: Just let the data tell the story.
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  Speaker 5: But I also think if you can afford to buy
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  Speaker 5: an e bike, I mean, some of these are so
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  Speaker 5: expensive they're the p of a small secondhand car. You
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  Speaker 5: can spend five thousand dollars on an e bike. If
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  Speaker 5: you have the discretionary income to buy an e bike,
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  Speaker 5: you probably don't need the subsidy. And the average commute
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  Speaker 5: time in Sydney is seventy minutes a day. One in
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  Speaker 5: eight people are commuting over thirty kilometers each way to work.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you're not going to be riding an e
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  Speaker 5: bike for sixty kilometers a day just to get to work.
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  Speaker 5: And those people, as Joe said, are more likely to
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  Speaker 5: have children, to be on lower incomes, and to be
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  Speaker 5: struggling financially, so they're the ones who ideally you would
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  Speaker 5: gear the subsidies towards. So this does seem like a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a nice thought bubble exercise by labor might
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  Speaker 5: work in European cities where you've got small streets, less cars,
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  Speaker 5: more densely populated area, but in Sydney, where people are
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  Speaker 5: trying to get all over the city, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it's the solution.
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  Speaker 3: This is the big problem, right because there was recently
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  Speaker 3: a survey was I think it was by Finder or
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  Speaker 3: Compare the Market, one of those you know, market comparison.
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  Speaker 1: Companies looking into.
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  Speaker 3: Where the best places were to ride e bikes in
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  Speaker 3: the world, which had.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a good.
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  Speaker 3: Point, but you know the place that have the best
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure that subsidies all the stuff, right, And the top
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  Speaker 3: three cities in the world for riding a bike were
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  Speaker 3: in Amsterdam, which are already places that have big bike culture.
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  Speaker 3: Also Amsterdam, it turns out, is one of the best
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  Speaker 3: places to own an EV in the world, with all
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  Speaker 3: the subsidies and stuff that exist. And there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: that it's good for bikes and evs because it's small
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  Speaker 3: and it's flat and it's effective to get around by
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  Speaker 3: those modes of transport. Australia is a big country, which
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  Speaker 3: is why evs are impractical. And it's for the same
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  Speaker 3: reason that bikes are impractical. You can't force people to
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  Speaker 3: ride bikes by putting in bike lanes. They don't want
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  Speaker 3: to ride bikes because they live a long way from
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  Speaker 3: the CBD. It's not practical to get around bikes. It's
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  Speaker 3: only people in the inner city who can do that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this is a cop out from state governments.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, obviously this hasn't been done by the
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  Speaker 3: state government, but they're considering it. But it's a cop
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  Speaker 3: out to say, well, we can get people off the
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  Speaker 3: road by paying people in the inner city to ride
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  Speaker 3: their bike instead of drive their car, instead of the
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  Speaker 3: real solution, which is which is to give people in
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  Speaker 3: the outer suburbs proper public transport so that they can
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  Speaker 3: get into the city effectively. And fast.
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  Speaker 1: That's the real life.
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  Speaker 5: And this is all while Transport for New South Wales
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  Speaker 5: has said they're seriously considering banning e bikes and e
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  Speaker 5: scooters from public transport, which would make it even harder
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  Speaker 5: for KEP in the outer suburbs.
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  Speaker 2: That's only because they like spontaneously the government.
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  Speaker 5: You have a bombing, you know, those lithium batteries just
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  Speaker 5: a small issue. Well, a Knox City council meeting has
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  Speaker 5: lit up very dramatically as the council debated whether they
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  Speaker 5: should spend fifteen thousand dollars to acquire one hundred and
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  Speaker 5: sixty redos for Christmas. One of the councilors put forward
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  Speaker 5: this motion saying the town needs a more festive spirit.
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  Speaker 5: It's time we invest in some decorations to sprink up
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  Speaker 5: the high street and.
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  Speaker 4: Support local business.
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  Speaker 5: This motion failed and was voted down by the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the council after mind you, two hours of debate
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  Speaker 5: over one hundred and sixty bows. The councilor that put
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  Speaker 5: this motion forward then went onto the ABC radio this
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  Speaker 5: morning and typically the line of questioning was not around
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  Speaker 5: how do we support the high street, how do we.
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  Speaker 4: Support small businesses? It was something rather different.
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  Speaker 1: Is it just Christmas?
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  Speaker 6: Like that?
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  Speaker 1: These are bows for Christmas time?
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  Speaker 3: But do you also put up decorations for other important
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  Speaker 3: festivals things like Chinese New Year for example.
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  Speaker 1: We need.
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  Speaker 6: We celebrate other festivals, and that's something that Cancel has
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  Speaker 6: done for quite some time. We've definitely celebrated others. And
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  Speaker 6: I just thought we've just missed the Christmas boats last
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  Speaker 6: couple of years, before I was a cancelor driving around
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  Speaker 6: the area, there was not even a Christmas decoration out there.
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  Speaker 6: I thought, what can I do better? And in my view,
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  Speaker 6: you know, as a local resident, what can we do?
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  Speaker 6: And that was one of the things I thought was
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  Speaker 6: the best way to get it started for us.
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  Speaker 4: But that right there is an interesting question.
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  Speaker 5: If it were any decorations or Chinese New Year decorations
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  Speaker 5: that the council voted not to acquire, I wonder what
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  Speaker 5: kind of reception he would have received on the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Great Christmas is racist?
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  Speaker 1: Well but we've been having Christmas duld.
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  Speaker 2: Slashes, lamophobic anti Hindu nationalists. Yes, that's amazing, what an
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  Speaker 2: amazing line of questioning.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, of course it was Melbourne. I mean where
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  Speaker 1: else but Melbourne does this stuff happen that it was
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  Speaker 1: two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: I think the city of Dollington in Melbourne was putting
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  Speaker 3: up stud of like merry Christmas. They put up all
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  Speaker 3: these signs that said make merry.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no one is a thing of by Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, no one is offended by Christmas except
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  Speaker 3: for white people in the inner city who are offended
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  Speaker 3: on behalf of other people.
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  Speaker 2: Can you just describe the city of starting to I know,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I defy you to find me apart from someone who
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  Speaker 3: has like serious brain wounds, find me a migrant who's
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  Speaker 3: come to this country and is like.
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  Speaker 1: I hate Christmas. You can't have Christmas. They don't exist.
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  Speaker 1: No one is offended by Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: And for Heaven's sake, like he's put this motion up
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  Speaker 3: because the council does not much to publicly celebrate Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Fifteen thousand dollars would have cost to buy these bows.
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  Speaker 1: Which of course you reuse. It's not like it's fifteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars every year.
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  Speaker 3: You're just buying equipment, like you buy equipment for anything
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  Speaker 3: else that you use year after year after year after year.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't think twice about spending fifteen thousand dollars to
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  Speaker 3: get a consultant to look into whether they should put
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  Speaker 3: out Christmas decorations. But fifteen grand Oh, we couldn't possibly
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  Speaker 3: do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these people are real life wrenches.
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  Speaker 7: Fine, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Was that the actual Knox City council meeting that was?
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  Speaker 1: That was straight after two hours of debate, no no one, and.
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  Speaker 2: No one voted for it, after the Christmas tree burned down.
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  Speaker 2: That must have been scared for their lives.
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  Speaker 3: Two hours on whether or not to buy some Christmas decorations.
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  Speaker 1: These people have nothing better to do.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I've spent a long time as a.
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  Speaker 3: Local government reporter going to these council meetings in Adelaide,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, I can confirm there are lots of people
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  Speaker 3: who become counselors because they've got nothing better to do
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  Speaker 3: on a Tuesday evening over in the US.
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  Speaker 1: Who would have thought.
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  Speaker 3: An ad for genes would somehow become embroiled in some
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  Speaker 3: sort of Natsy controversy, but well it's happened. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: you've heard of Sydney Sweeney, the American actress. She's featured
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  Speaker 3: in an ad for American Evil Evil It on.
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  Speaker 2: The Brain, white supremacy.
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  Speaker 3: American Eagle certain people who think they should be called
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  Speaker 3: American Evil. But it's a clothing company called American Eagle.
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  Speaker 3: She's done an ad for their genes.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look.
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  Speaker 5: Gens are passed on from parents to a spring, often
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  Speaker 5: determining treats like her color, personality, and even eye color.
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  Speaker 7: My gens are.
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  Speaker 1: Blue, Sidney's Twinny casburg Kens. I mean, first point, we
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  Speaker 1: are so back.
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  Speaker 3: We've got hot chicks advertising things again, because you'll remember
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  Speaker 3: about five years ago we went through this wave of
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  Speaker 3: like all the ads came woke and we couldn't really
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  Speaker 3: show you know, attractive looking people advertising things anymore. Everyone
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  Speaker 3: had to be overweight because oh we wanted it to
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  Speaker 3: look like real life.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, people don't.
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  Speaker 3: Buy things on the basis of real life. They buy
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  Speaker 3: things on the basis of what they would like to
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  Speaker 3: look like, or you know, things like up the top,
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  Speaker 3: all the gender would like to be exactly or that's
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  Speaker 3: that's some Nike ads at the top there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, now they're advertising families as well. That's back
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  Speaker 1: on the gender in twenty twenty five to two.
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  Speaker 3: But this particular ad is apparently Nazi propaganda and This
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  Speaker 3: is a headline that's been running in the biggest newspapers
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  Speaker 3: and news outlets around the world because she references genes. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: apparently this is all some sort of code. When she's
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  Speaker 3: a white woman with blonde hair and blue lives talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Gens, she actually means Nazis. Take a look at this.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are complaining about that Sydney's tweeny and jeans
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  Speaker 2: are and so I went and saw it.
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  Speaker 1: That's NATSI propaganda.
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  Speaker 8: And now we have this interesting ad with the play
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  Speaker 8: on words where we pass on blue gens to those
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  Speaker 8: genetically with blue eyes. I mean, it's no accident that
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  Speaker 8: Sidney Sweeney's initials are SS.
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  Speaker 5: Should we be surprised that a company whose name is
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  Speaker 5: literally American Eagle is making fascist propaganda like this.
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  Speaker 7: Look, I'm not saying that Sidney Sweeney personally wrote this
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  Speaker 7: ad to revive the Third Reich, but American Eagle absolutely
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  Speaker 7: knew what they were doing here.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing, this stuff just writes itself. I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: jo when Neil Diamond saying about being forever in blue jeans,
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  Speaker 3: that that was like some sort of Nazi anthem. I'm
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  Speaker 3: now advertising genes and same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's all Nazi.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, have we literally reached a point where people
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  Speaker 3: are that brain did that. They see an attractive woman
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  Speaker 3: doing an ad and she mentions genes and it's some
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  Speaker 3: sort of Nazi dogs.
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  Speaker 2: I am just starting to put all the pieces together.
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  Speaker 2: Calabers also, and this is like, this is like that
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  Speaker 2: scene in a Beautiful Mind where suddenly all the scales
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  Speaker 2: fall away from my eyes and I can see everything
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  Speaker 2: so clearly. So when Elton John's saying blue Jean Baby
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  Speaker 2: in Tiny Dancer, actually he was a closet Nazi. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: hang on, he's lyricist. Bernie Torpis was a closet Nazi,
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  Speaker 2: and Elton was a musical propagandist. Yes, when Janis Joplin
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  Speaker 2: said that she was feeling near as faded as my
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  Speaker 2: jenes in Me and Bobby McGhee, that means Janis Joplin also,
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  Speaker 2: you know, feminist rock icon and Nazi was propagatus as
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  Speaker 2: well as of course Chris Christofferson because he wrote that song.
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  Speaker 2: So they're obviously a Nazi couple. And then it just
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  Speaker 2: it just gets better and better. I mean, if we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about initials, that mean, if you've got the same
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  Speaker 2: initials as something. It must be you are the same
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  Speaker 2: as that thing, so well your difference.
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  Speaker 1: Your initials are the same as John Howard. You liberal.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I am John Howard and my beloved friend
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  Speaker 2: Christina Akersha Kanneely has. What could that mean? These guys
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  Speaker 2: are amazing. I had no idea Twitter enlightenment, political intelligencia figures.
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  Speaker 2: I had not they were going. Now. I knew they
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  Speaker 2: were smart, but I didn't know that were this smart.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are just next to us. I
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  Speaker 2: love the way they pull out the vocal fry when
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  Speaker 2: they're like looking into something to give it that extra
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  Speaker 2: sort of taste of authenticity. So I heard you guys
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  Speaker 2: like completing about this thing, so I thought, I like
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  Speaker 2: check it oo, And yeah, it turns out it's like
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  Speaker 2: totally racist. This is this is you know what? We
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: can just abolish all the institutes, all the think tanks,
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  Speaker 2: all the universities. We don't need them anymore. We have
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  Speaker 2: we have triggered millennials on Twitter. I don't think they're
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  Speaker 2: even millennials.
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  Speaker 5: I think these are not millennials. These are jen z.
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  Speaker 5: These are the sub thirty. And the thing is, what
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  Speaker 5: is so shocking is these videos have millions of views
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  Speaker 5: and hundreds of thousands of likes online.
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  Speaker 4: People are genuinely buying this stuff, which is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: But I do have a theory that the ugly woke
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  Speaker 5: left wing activists, who most of these people that we've
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: just put up full firmly into that category unattractive, overweight
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: left wing only.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: On the side.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: On the well, yes, and they've realized that since twenty
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: twenty they've lost grip on cultural power. Things have totally
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: swung back the other way because guess what, people like beauty.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: They like attractive things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I don't support these sexualization of women, and I think
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Sidney Sweeney goes a bit far in that respect. You
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: to argue about that you can actually buy, you can buy.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Do what she wants and profit off.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: No, it's not tasteful, and you can buy Sidney Sweeney's
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: bath water online apparently, which I think is just disgusting.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: But I will say this is the return of women
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: who are feminine, who are beautiful, dominating the media and culture,
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: and that is a massive shift. And I think in response,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: the crazy leftists are panicking, and so now they're having
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: to come up with anything to stop this and what
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: is the final ultimate insult that the left will always
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: use when they want to shut you down, Nazi.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Because it's sort of like, once you've been branded with that,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: how do you come back?
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly?
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Busy idea and this is like, you know, so Roger
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Scrutin God risked his soul, wrote excellently about beauty and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: how we crave beauty and in particular how that has
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: been taken away from us in se many facets of
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: our life in art, in architecture, and the influence that
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: beauty has on our lives and our psyche.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And I think we're maybe getting.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: To a point now, tipping point where we've realized how
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: much we're missing because beauty has been stripped from so
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: much of our lives that we're trying to get it
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: back in some way. So look, we've started with effective
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: people in advertisements, but you know, I'll be happy when
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: they get onto architecture.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And oh that's why I went on Instagram. People were
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: just crying out for it, and I thought, got to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: give the house walk what they want to get.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Welcome lady, so good well in some more good news
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: for a society and for culture. A woman who has
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: been paralyzed for twenty years, has now been able to
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: use a computer using just her mind. This is thanks
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: to Elon Musk's Neuralink.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Check it out.
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: Imagine the joy of connecting with your loved ones, browsing
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: the web, or even playing games using only your thoughts.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: This is made possible by placing a small, cosmetically invisible
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: implant in a part of your brain that plans movements.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: The device is designed to interpret your neural activity, so
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: you can operate a computer or a smartphone by simply
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: thinking about moving. No wires or physical movement are required.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: This is truly revolutionary for people who are paralyzed or
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: quadriplegic like this woman. It is giving them new agency
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: and freedom that they never thought they would get back.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: But there are also a range of other interesting implications
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: from this technology. They think it can slow down degenerative
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: brain disorders like motor neuron disease because it can stimulate
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: brain reactions and connectivity between neurons that was previously lost.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: It can bring back.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Vision even and it can also have really interesting benefits
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: for mental health because they think it will actually be
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: able to modulate brain activity during depressive episodes or for
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: schizophrenic people. So this truly is, I mean, talk about
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: the next revolution in medical technology.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I'm super excited for.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: This, and it sounds like they'll be I'm actually available
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: in around fifteen years, so we can all get our implants.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It's just absolutely mind blowing and to give an eye literally, man, well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: absolutely right, but the scale of the breakthrough is just
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: so phenomenal. I mean, my wife hasn't been able to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: use a computer for twenty years and she's not paralyzed
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So you're sitting here off for the neural link chipsy.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah it doesn't work on just like normal women's as well.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: We joke about that. But that's where this is going
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to end. And I know all of this at the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: moment is being couched in terms of for medical purposes,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, I think from that perspective, it's great
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: because it can clearly give life back to people who've
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: not well, you know, not literally, but it can give
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: a quality of life to people who've not been able
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to have it for a long time. I think it's,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the equivalent of like a cochlear implant, just
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: for you know, neural things as opposed to hearing, which
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: is great. I'm totally on board with that. But Elon
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Musk makes no qualms about the fact that he basically
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: eventually wants to integrate humans and.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Technologogs as one.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And so we'll get to a point where this stuff
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: is commercially available and any Tom, Dick or Harry can
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: say I want the brain chip.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: And if we can talk about this stuff being used
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to modulate brain activity for the purposes of mental health,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: imagine what can be done to you, your brain, which
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: controls everything in and around your body, if someone manages
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to hacking to brain chips and start doing stuff with
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: people's brains. I don't want someone being able to remotely
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: access anything in my brain whatsoever. If I'm paralyzed, I'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: take the risks, but otherwise I don't want that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I do not want.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can always come up with a downside scenario
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: for these things, but.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: There is serious down trip.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: It is, but there's also some massive upside. And you
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: think about the trajectory of technology development. It started with
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: computers in rooms that you had to go visit. Then
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: it was desktops that you couldn't move. Then it became
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: the mobile phone, or now we can have it with us.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Now we've got Apple watches and wearable technology. This is
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: the next step forward in that gradual integration of technology
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: and people.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Here's a level of removal from the actual being. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: if something gets hacked or something goes wrong, you can
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: take off the smart watch, you can.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Put the There are people who said, you know, if
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we have computers that can fit in our pockets and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that they can be remotely accessed, you know, this could
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: be potentially devastating. This could be potentially life destroying. Those
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: people were called Hesbela. That's true, but I think you
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: know risk And like I said, my serious, My best
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: friends of quadriplegic, and he is a losing function as
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: he gets older and because of an appalling operation that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: went wrong. But heywould I guarantee it? He'd say, you
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: know what, I'll take the risk exactly if I could.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: If I could just do this, then I'd do it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: American, you don't have to adopt this technology, But I
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: think what will happen is you'll be left behind because
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: everyone will turn into this superhuman with augmented memory, able
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: to look things up in real time and contribute and
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: generate a generate new ideas and people who don't have it,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: like people who don't have the Internet or other technology today,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: You'll still be able to function, but just at.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: A slower speed perhaps than other people.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: People doing digital detox, and they'd have like wooden legs.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: It's the same reason that you don't create laws today
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that you wouldn't want a tyrannical government to have control
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: of at a later time. It's all good and will
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: when we say people are using it for beneficial means,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, once the commis take over and they
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: can access your brain chips, like I think, I'll be
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: quite comfortable in the fact that I don't have a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: brain tip anymore.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What if that I can think for myself.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: What if that American genes manufacturer takes over and towards us,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: towards us all to nats.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: That's you put on your genes and you, for goodness sake,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Now Victoria failed state that it is. You know, they've
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: been talking tough recently on youth crime and we've got.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: To fix the problems we've got in this state.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And so they came up with these new strict bail laws,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: including a new law that's meant to come into effect soon.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: That says, if you are on bail and then you
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: commit another rellegiate offense and you come before the court
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: for that, basically there's no benefit of the doubt and
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: unless the court can be shown that there is basically
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: zero risk that you'll reoffend again, you break your bail
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: once you had to go off to prison. So you think, great,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: this is going to come in. It will be in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: effect immediately. Well maybe not according to the Attorney General
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Sonia kill Kenny, who says, well, it'll come in once.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: We've got the beds to put these people.
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: Coming to that, it's my expectation that the very high test,
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: that highest test, high degree of probability tests will commence
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: almost immediately and the second strike rule will commence shortly
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: as the system capacity increases to be able to meet
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: that increase in remand.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Ye with no bay wind up with there's a default.
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: Commencement date in the bill, but we will be working
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: very hard to get that measure implemented as soon as
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: system capacity permits.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: We'll do it when we have capacity to do so.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: In other words, Victoria has too many criminals to be
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: able to have strict bail laws because they've got nowhere
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: to put the people who break the bail. Now, wonder
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: you have people continually breaking the bail and being released
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: because well as you just do whatever you wanted, Victoria.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Well they should just put them in hotels, which is
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: what Victoria seems to do to anyone else they want
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: to put into tens. But we know how well that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: worked during COVID and with immigration detention. So yeah, maybe
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: they should just actually run the state properly. Radical idea there,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: But seriously, the way bail laws have been abused in
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Victoria is genuinely shocking. This article talked about a case
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: of a fourteen year old boy who went on a
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: three day crime spree after being bailed fifty times. A
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: fifteen year old was bailed eight times and then involved
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: in an attack on police and another team allegedly involved
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: in killing someone, was granted bail and then disappeared forty
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: eight hours later. I mean, what we're talking about here
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: is systemic failure to do the first and primary responsibility
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: of government, which is to enforce the law and keep
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: its citizens safe.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: That is your number one job.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Do you think there's feers would qualify for the second
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: strike rule fifty first second through forty ninth has he
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: offended while on bail. We don't know your honor. We
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: can't find him. I haven't seen him where else. This
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is just too much fun. They are hopeless anyway, thought
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of the old joke. You know what,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: do we want gradual change? When do we want it?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: In due course? Anyway? Let's go now to a serious,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a far more serious crime, and that is the crime
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of a lack of filial devotion. Yes, Prince Harry, who
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: escaped across the pond to the beautiful, shady enclave of Montecito,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: abandoning his royal duties and estranging himself from both his brother,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the future King William and his father, the current King Charles, Well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it now appears that they may have reached what I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: believe the French call freyer a detente. Harry has reportedly
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: agreed to share his official schedule, right, hey, baby, would
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you like to come up to my place and share
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: my few schedule? To share his official schedule with the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: royal family. As a peace offering to his dad, King's
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: King Charles and brother Prince William, the Olive branch would
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: help avoid conflicts between Harry and Meghan, Markles events and
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Royal family engagements. It has been claimed in a caveat
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: there the new provisor. According in the Daily Mail, Great
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: website is believed to be a way of showing that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan are not trying to steal the spotlight
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: from the Royal family, apart from the fact that this
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: appeared in the Daily Mail from unknown sources as indeed
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: stolen the spotlight from the Royal family. But you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: maybe it could actually is the olive branch. We're going
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to tell you where and when we're going to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: so that you can avoid us at all costs. That
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: seems to be the kind of that's the bit that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: they seem to think would appeal to King Charles and Princes.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Well, Harry and Meghan is certainly making headlines, but it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: for all the wrong reasons. They've got their one hundred
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: and fifty billion dollar next Netflix steal that won't be renewed.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: They've been cut from their twenty million dollars Spotify deal,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: so there are serious questions now about how they're going
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: to fund this lavish lifestyle. So I think this is
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: more of a case of crawling back to Mummy and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Daddy when things don't go so.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Well, because I would believe they have let me just
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: check my notes here, no discernible skills.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, funny about that, I would say, don't take him back,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: don't give him the benefit of the doubt. Now some
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: breaking news has just come down. The Federal government has
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: announced that it will include in its social.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Media ban YouTube.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Now you might recall on the weekend there were stories
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: floating around that Google had written to the Federal government
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: and said that if they included YouTube in the social
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: media band, which of course says that people under the
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: age of sixteen cannot hold social media accounts and this
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: is set to come into effect very soon.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Google said if YouTube is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Included in this, we will be taking the Federal government
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to court. Just days later, the Federal Government has now
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: said YouTube will be included in the social media ban.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi has released a statement. He said,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: our government is making it clear we stand on the
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: side of families. Social media has a social responsibility and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: there is no doubt that Australian kids are being negatively
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: impacted by online platforms. So I'm calling time on it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Social media is doing social harm to our children and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I want Australian parents.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: To know that we have their backs.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And the Minister for Communication, Anika Wells, said, the Albanizi
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: government is giving kids a reprieve from the persuasive and
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: pervasive pool of social media while giving parents peace of mind.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: We want kids to know who they are.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Before platforms assume who they are.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: There's no unperfect solution when it comes to giving young
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Australians keeping young Australians safe for online but the social
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: media minimum age will make a significant positive difference to
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: their well being. The rules are not set and forget
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: they are set and support and she goes on to
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: say the penalties.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That will be in place. But her last quote' quite interesting.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: She said there's a place for social media, but there's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: not a place for predatory algorithms targeting children.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Now. The interesting thing here.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Of course, is that the ban is on people under
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: sixteen holding accounts, so you won't be able to have
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: an account on Instagram or Facebook or x or now YouTube.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: But YouTube operates quite different to say Facebook, where you
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: can basically access the entirety of the website without needing
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to have an account, and YouTube also has a completely
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: separate platform called YouTube Kids, which you can download as
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: an app and give to your kid to use, which
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: has child specific content on it. So the kids will,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: under the rules, still be able to access and use
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: YouTube just as they are now, but they won't be
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: able to post comments on any videos, and they won't
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: be able to post videos themselves because they won't.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Be allowed to have an account.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I think what's happened here is the government has fallen
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: for the three card trick from Google. Google writes the
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: letter and says, if you include YouTube on the list,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: we're going to take you to court. The government goes, well,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: we're not going to be shown what to do by Google,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: so we now have no choice but to put YouTube
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: on the list. Google has foreshadowed that they will challenge
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: it in court on the basis that this law hinders
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the freedom of political communication, and by goading the government
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: into putting YouTube on the list, they've created the test
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: case that will be run to see whether this law
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: is constitutional.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty interesting analysis of the situation
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: and probably accurate. I mean, this law will definitely be
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: challenged by all of these social media companies. TikTok's already
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: running ads all over the place trying to espouse the
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: virtues of TikTok.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: That one I'm not so sure about.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: But no doubt this is where it's all going. I mean,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: I guess on the YouTube point the idea, it would
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: have been a bad look for the government if they
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: had given an exemption just to YouTube and not to
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: other social media platforms. So I guess the argument that
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: they would make is this is about keeping kids safe
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: from the algorithm, but they can still access the videos.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: But regardless, there's not much evidence that YouTube is causing
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the harm. It's really the social media platforms like Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: where you're constantly comparing yourself to people. You've got all
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: of kids' social interaction has moved digitally, and the mental
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: health mental health impacts are very clear. So I do
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: support some regulation of it. But the whole YouTube backflip
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: episode from the government is just a little pathetic.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I'm actually really I think they've actually landed exactly where
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: they need to be. I had serious concerns that they
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: would say, right, we're just going to ban YouTube and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: kids aren't allowed to watch it, and therefore that everyone
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: who wants to watch YouTube has to go through some
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: kind of age fairification process that would ban under sixteens
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: from doing it. They haven't done that, and they've done
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: exactly what I think most parents would want, which is
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to say, yes, you can look at YouTube, you can
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: watch your dwn TDM videos or whoever the misdbeast or
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: whoever the big thing is. Now you can tell I've
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: got a clevn year old kid. But the stuff that's
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: really really damaging, which is what happens on the Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: which is that interaction where there's the potential for kids
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to fall into those little wormholes where they're being bullied,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: where they're being attacked vilas that capacity is removed because
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the kid doesn't have an account that won't subject them
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to any humiliation. There are kids that post all sorts
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of stuff and it has happened before where people have
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: picked up on it and sent it viral and the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: kids have gone into horrible places. So I think this
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: is good. I think it's right, and I think picking
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: a fight with social media companies in the current environment
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: would be absolutely lay down as their vote winner for
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Potentially, I mean, you know, I have from that point
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: of it was probably fear that YouTube is included like
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: everything else. But you know, I have misgivings about the
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: whole thing. I think this is fundamentally an issue of
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: parenting and it should be up to parents to decide
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: what accounts their kids who cannot have kids can or
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: cannot have. But we'll come back to that in just
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: a moment. As you can imagine, it will be on
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the front of a number of newspapers tomorrow. We'll get
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: into that and all the other stories on the front
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: of the paper system.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the papers.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: As I said before, this story about the government including
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: YouTube in their social media ban for children is on
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the front of a number of papers tomorrow, including the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Courier Mail, where it says government adds YouTube to its
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: social media ad ban elbows turning off the tube.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Australian kids under sixteen.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Will no longer be able to have a YouTube account,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: as the Albanezy government ops to add the video platform
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to its social media age ban, which comes into effect
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: from December ten. Labour's decision follows advice from Australia's e
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Safety Commissioner that YouTube had similar functions to the other
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: social media platforms like TikTok and Instagram deemed harmful to children.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony al but Easy said yesterday his government
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: was making it clear it was on the side of families.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: But you know, I come back to the point.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: If you're on the side of families, don't you leave
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: it in the hands of families to make these decisions
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: for themselves without the government interfering in these matters. And
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: of course I think actually probably what this exposes is
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that these laws are rather toothless in many ways because
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: you can still actually use the platform.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: You're just not allowed to have an account, so if
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: mum or dad hands.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: But that applies to everything else as well, because you
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: can independently access stuff from Instagram, for instance, without having
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: an account. You google much hard, but you google Cayla
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Bond and it'll come up with my Instagram account. And
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you don't need to have an Instagram account to see
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: what I'm posting on it.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So you can't message people.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You can still like Facebook or Twitter, you can't get
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: on without an account. Instagram is very very difficult. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: don't know how you've been doing it, but I've struggled.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I'm an old, old gen X.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: I think what's actually going to happen is these social
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: media companies will just change it so you can access
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: more of the functionality without an account.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: They'll just well, but again, if it is taking away
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that interactive ability, that is the number one thing. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: there's issues with body image, and you know, people feeling
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: depressed because they're missing out on stuff, pomo stuff, But
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the most important thing is just not having that that
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: potential for And again you're talking say parents should be
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: able to decide guarantee as soon as you have kids.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: The protection is only as strong as the weakest amount
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of parenting in their peer groups. So as soon as
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: they've got one friend whose parents let them do it,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: all of them can they'll do it. And that will
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: be with social media when they get a mobile phone everything.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So it's good to have these rules. We don't let
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: them smoke cigarettes, we don't let them drink beer. That's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: for me, okay, Daily Telegraph, Gratitaire detately.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Not doing it when you were underage? Will you not
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: want to smoke cigarette? They add under age?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Not once, not once that I told my parents about. Obviously,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Dali Telgraph also carrying on the front of the YouTube
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: band for kids by Claire Armstrong. Very good friend of
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: mine you'll be surprised to learn. Also very good friend
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: of mine is the Great James Willis, who has the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: splash win some lose more green energy. Contamination concerns on
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: our farms a scoop by the Great Man. Farmers in
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the vicinity of net zero projects fear their land could
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: be contaminated following a shock change to their livestock accreditation,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: which requires land owners to confirm if their animals are
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: grazing near solar panels and wind turbines. A new question
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: titled food safety on your property was added to the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: paperwork god this must be onerous, required to be submitted
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: by farmers less than twelve months ago. It asks do
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: livestock have access to leaking electrical transformers, capacitors, hydraulic equipment,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: solar panels, wind turbines, coal send gas structures or coal
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: mine waste. So it would appear that at the same
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: time as the government is rolling out wind turbines and
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: transmission lines on farms. It's also forcub which is necessary.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I know it's a terrible inconvenience for a lot of people.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But it's also then kind of complying with this new
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: question that the livestock shouldn't be exposed to or near. Well, well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I have to register.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: If you know what else is necessary Joe food, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that's what farmers are growing. And if it's now being
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: if this is a question that is being asked of farmers,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I suppose at this point it hasn't caused a problem yet,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: but they're asking this question in anticipation of their being problems.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And when problems turn up, farmers are going to be
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: up the creek without a paddle.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: When they find out.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: That there will be potential bands and restrictions on meat
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that comes from steers or whatever that have been around
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: solar panels and wind farms, it'll mean their land is
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: worth basically nothing because it will be able to be
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: used for nothing except a wind farm, because well, if
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: you can't run your cattle on it anymore, or your
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: sheep or whatever it might be, then it's not productive land,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: et cetera. This is going in a really terrible road.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't understand why we're compromising our prime agricultural
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: land when we're sitting on mountains of coal and gas,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: and no one else in the world really cares much.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: China's building two new coal fire.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Plants every week.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile we're shutting ours down and destroying farmers' lives. This
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: does not seem like a fair deal to me. But
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: in the Australian tomorrow, there's a push for tax free
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: zones to win seats. Westpac Chief executive Anthony Miller says
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: labor has the opportunity to win over voters in traditionally
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: conservative areas if it introduces tax free zones, indexation and
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: expounds investments, expands investment in defense that boost housing supply
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: and economic activity in regional cities. Meeting with Jim Chalmers
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: in Cameer on Tuesday, mister Miller made a submission to
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: the Treasurer's upcoming Economic Reform Roundtable. The proposed GST distribution
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: based on state's investment in regional areas, smoother approval processes,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: tax free zones and the indexation of tax brackets to
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: help younger people own a home and close the generational
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: wealth gap in Australia. I mean, I personally love all
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: of those ideas, but I definitely would not put myself
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: in the Labor Party, and that is the problem. Those
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: ideas are fantastic. Indexation of tax brackets have got to happen,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: fairy distribution of GST that actually incentivizes states to run
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: things well, amazing ideas, streamlining approvals to solve the housing crisis,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: wonderful idea. But all economic reforms that Labor I do
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: not think will be adopting anytime soon. Especially tax free
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: zones like that is an amazing liberal policies.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So if you were say you were like this one
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: of their scenarios, if you were a teacher and you
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: there was a tax freezer and they made regional areas
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that have a teacher thoughtage tax freezem would you move
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to would you move from the city to the country
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: if you could pay less?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Totally? Of course you would, totally.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, we need to have more competitive federalism in Australia.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Give the power of income tax back.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: To free one percent. If the tax freezet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: New South Wales the tax reeset. Let's turn ourselves into
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: the Singapore of Australia of South Asia. Really, I mean,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: that is what we should be doing.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I've argued for that for a long time and it's
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: you know, and there should be mechanisms for state governments
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: to be able to compete for business from big companies
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: and staff. I mean, this is what Jobilki Peterson did
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: when he was Premier of Queensland and abolished death duties
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: in Queensland and that resulted in low thousands and thousands
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: of people moved on to Queensland.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, people who going to die moved.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: To Queensland because they knew that they wouldn't have to
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: pay death duties up there. And lo and behold, every
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: other state got rid of dead duties. The Feeds got
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: rid of death duties because their hand was forced by
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Sir Joe or later became Sir Joe.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: But the problem, of course with.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Indexing income tax rates, which should be done, is that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Malcolm Fraser did it and then two years later got
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: rid of it because he realized that it meant they
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: had a lot less revenue than they otherwise have had
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: you to bracket creep. And at the time they had
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: big debt and they couldn't pay it off. And of
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: course we're heading towards a treating dollars of debt. So
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: no government of any stripe is going to look at indexation,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: right now because they simply can't afford it. The Herald
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Sun tomorrow says star choke charge goodness sake aofhil great
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Nikki winmar has faced court accused of choking, strangling, or
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: suffocating a family member and assault. Court documents re your win.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Maru's facing three charges, including that he intentionally choked, strangled
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: or suffocated family member on July eighteen. That will be
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: a big story in Melbourne, no.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Doubt about that. Another story on the front of the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Herald Sun.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Kid safety bid block Jaciner Allen has voted to block
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: on opposition bid to introduce legislation to overhaul Victoria's in
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: battle working with children check system. Jeez, you think they'd
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: go for an easy win at the moment, wouldn't you
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: just do it?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Honest? Like, of all the things, of all.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: The things, You've got a plan to do something with
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: working with children, and you can't do it because the
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: opposition came up with it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It is the worst of partisan politics.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I think after the break, have you ever been caught
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: by one of those cameras that they have at intersections
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: looking about when you're using your mobile phone? And if
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: you have, have you ever thought to challenge it on
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: the basis that I don't know it was banana bread instead.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Other people have tried it. Will show you some of
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: their excuses. That one included half of the break.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: They drive among us with their mobile phones. Otherwise, I
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: thought it's a great pity that people who drive while
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: using their mobile phones don't drive into each other instead
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: of other people.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It'd solve a few problems.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: But they've got these cameras that detect people using their phones.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Jesus, couples are weird excuses they have.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: These cameras have been in operation in New South Wales
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: for five years now and in that time two five
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: hundred people have challenged their fines for using their mobile phones.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: And some of these excuses are genuinely creative. I think
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: they should get a bit of leniency from the courts
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: for being so inventive. One of them was, no, No,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: it's not a mobile phone, it's a receipt tin. Oh
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: interesting an electric shaver who is shaving in the car.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I am, but in a very safe, responsible manner. Can
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I say that the cameras know whether or not it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a mobile phone or an electric shape?
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: Yea.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: And these people are trying to say it's not a phone,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: it's a shaver. They're also arguing you as a kit kat,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: a card wallet, chocolate wafer, and even banana bread. I mean,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: it's pretty obvious from those images it's a mobile phone,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: not any of those things.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, to say a mobile
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: phone is banana bread is a pretty crummy excuse.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It'd have to be a pretty moldy piece of banana
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: bridge like a mobile phone when it because like Rockhart,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: the phones there look black. I mean, I give banana
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: breadge turned whack perspectrum.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And also the reception on a banana bread.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It's just I know, that's what you know, all the
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: parents worried about their kids getting on social media, there's
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: just take the phone away, give them a piece of
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: banana bread.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: How bad can it go? Now?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Of course we love this segment of the day, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: today's entry is a woman working in a market research
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: call center who got the sack fur.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Will you believe it?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Talking to someone on the phone and comparing them to
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Ivan Molatt, Yes, sir, that doesn't typically go well when
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: you're calling someone up and asking them to participate in
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the survey. Now, this person on the phone apparently thought
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that it was a scammer they were talking to, so
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: it was getting a bit lippy, and so she said
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Ivan Malatt as a comparison. You know, he was diagnosed
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: as a psychopath, and I think you are too. It's
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: an interesting thing, you know, I think this person's a psychopath,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: so I'm going to compare them to like one of
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: the best known.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Killers of all time in Australia. You must be Ivan Malatt.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: But she was upset that they sacked her, and she said,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: don't you know my colleagues have said much worse to
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: people on the phone, so I deserve my job back.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it turns out.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: That the Fair Work Commission didn't think she necessarily deserved
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: your job back for comparing people of the phone to
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Ivan Milab.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It's not fair. You're on to the guy next to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: me just called someone Hitlis and finally you will get it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Here are a lot of talk these days, Kylo about
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: how kids today have gone soft, and yeah, this is
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: not as well. Thankfully, we've got young two year old
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Govinda Kumar in the eastern Indian state of Bihar who
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: bit a cobra to death. A cobra attacked him venomous.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: It actually says, in the show of Venomous Cobra, I'm
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that's the only aren't they all pretty deadly?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And the cobra came for the kid kid bites.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't fault the kid having some ball.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Joining is the night up? Next, the reader fand of
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: his shirt. Good night.