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Tot mom Casey Anthony goes wild for St. Patrick's Day · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My god, it's cart today
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  Speaker 1: and what is the three year old name? L E Anthony?
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  Speaker 1: We the jury find the defendant not guilty. She's tried
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  Speaker 1: to experience some symbolance of freedom. Bother she's never left
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  Speaker 1: alone if she if she goes out anywhere and all
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  Speaker 1: people will bother her just like frequently they do me.
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  Speaker 1: Right's right. The Constitution protects all of your individual freedoms.
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  Speaker 1: But does that include going out and getting zonked with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. Yes, Todd Mom has reared her
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  Speaker 1: ugly head again. I'm talking about Todd Mom Casey Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: Now to many people she may be attractive, even beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: not to me, because I recalled the gruesome details of
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  Speaker 1: her two year old little girl, Keiley's horrific death, her
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  Speaker 1: body stored in the back of mommy's trunk. I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this as crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: in the last forty eight hours. Taught mom Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: spotted drinking it up, hoisting back. If you dressed festively
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  Speaker 1: for Saint Patrick's Day and meeting a lot of new men,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to this. It's the face that broke
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  Speaker 1: America's heart. Ten years ago, little Kayley Anthony was reported missing,
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  Speaker 1: launching a saga that ended in one of the most
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  Speaker 1: shocking verdicts ever. We the jury finally defendant not guilty,
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  Speaker 1: so Casey Anthony was acquitted of her daughter's murder, but
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  Speaker 1: she became a pariah, one of the nation's most despised women.
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  Speaker 1: This is thirty two year old Casey Anthony today. She
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  Speaker 1: still lives in South Florida. And look, she's got a
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  Speaker 1: new tattoo just visible on her shoulder. It appears to
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  Speaker 1: cover the infamous tattoo Bella Vita the Beautiful Life, that
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  Speaker 1: she got while partying just two weeks after Kayley had
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  Speaker 1: been reported missing with lawyer Cheney Mason, who was on
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  Speaker 1: her defense team. It has been a decade since this case.
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  Speaker 1: What has changed in that time for our Casey. She's
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  Speaker 1: trying to experience some symbolance of freedom, but she's never
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  Speaker 1: left alone. If she goes out anywhere and all people
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  Speaker 1: will bother her, just like frequently they do me. Casey
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  Speaker 1: opened a photography studio in twenty sixteen, but that business
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  Speaker 1: has gone bust. She's now working as a researcher for
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  Speaker 1: a private detective She's very much interested, of course, and
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  Speaker 1: investigating criminal cases is what he does. She does computer
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  Speaker 1: research and book research. Who thinks to help him? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's good at the computer. Remember when she looked up
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  Speaker 1: how to make homemade chloroform and how to break a
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  Speaker 1: net and home accidents. So she's really good at research.
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  Speaker 1: And you're hearing our friends over at Inside Edition. That
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  Speaker 1: was less Trent straight out to our panel. An all
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  Speaker 1: star panel doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psychoanalyst out of La
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  Speaker 1: Veteran for six expert Karen Smith, judge lawyer anchor at
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  Speaker 1: Ashe Wilcott dot Com Ashu Willcott joining us right now.
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin Walinsky, author of
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Life, The CSI behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Robin Willinsky,
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  Speaker 1: you were there every day along with me. And you
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  Speaker 1: know when we're talking about the lawyer Cheney Mason who's
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  Speaker 1: saying that he gets mobbed all the time when he
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  Speaker 1: goes out, I highly doubt that. But isn't he the
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  Speaker 1: one that shot a bird at the camera? He did?
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  Speaker 1: I laugh when I hear his voice after the trial
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  Speaker 1: and the not guilty verdict. He was in one of
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  Speaker 1: the local bars Nancy in Orlando, and the window was opened,
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  Speaker 1: the glass window, and he shot the bird to the
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  Speaker 1: media and people that were looking in. You know, rude,
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  Speaker 1: keeping classy, keep it glassy, Shaney Mason and then he
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  Speaker 1: complains that people come up to him when you shoot
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  Speaker 1: a bird right at the camera, What do you think
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  Speaker 1: is going to happen? Um alongst and another question, do
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  Speaker 1: you Robin Wilensky uh the correspondent and Inside edition les TRMP.
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  Speaker 1: Nice guy. He says. She's now working as a researcher.
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  Speaker 1: Researcher for a private detective. Would that private detective be
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  Speaker 1: the detective on the ah Simpson double homicide trial? That's
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  Speaker 1: that's what I hear. It is amazing to me Nancy
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  Speaker 1: that she is back in full forest casey Anthony running around,
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  Speaker 1: time to hit the bar, Saint Patty's Day. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, when I saw this video, people shot multiple
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  Speaker 1: cell phone videos of her at O'Shea's. It's an Irish pub.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody goes there West Palm Beach, very popular place. And
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  Speaker 1: this is by you left out the hot pants I mean,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, Yeah, you're the shrink helped me out, I
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  Speaker 1: mean the last time I saw a pair of shorts
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  Speaker 1: like that. It's from Lindsay Lohan was bending over to
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  Speaker 1: climb into a private plane. I mean this, the hot pants,
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  Speaker 1: the tank top, the white and green ensemble and Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany tom Mom Casey Anthony started partying at a bar
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  Speaker 1: for Saint Patrick's Day in West Palm, one of the
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  Speaker 1: most elite and moneyed areas in the country. She was,
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  Speaker 1: of course, acquitted in the murder of her own daughter.
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  Speaker 1: She was living it up with a group of male
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  Speaker 1: friends at the Irish pub. She drank into the wee
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  Speaker 1: hours of Sunday morning. So you know, Anthy, help me out,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, Some patterns never change. It reminded me of
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  Speaker 1: right after her daughter went missing. Remember she was dancing
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  Speaker 1: on a stripper pole. She was throwing back shot. She
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  Speaker 1: was shopping at Target for lingerie. She was dating a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of guys, one in particular, which is why we
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  Speaker 1: think she Wait a minute, white a minute, when you
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  Speaker 1: say shopping, Hold on, Ashley Walcott, Let's comment on what
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  Speaker 1: Bethany just said, Doctor Bethany Marshall, shopping is one thing
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  Speaker 1: to me and you, okay, But to Todd Mom, flying
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  Speaker 1: through Target getting pushed up bras and beers. Remember she
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  Speaker 1: was using forging her one of her best friends checks.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a whole other dimension of shopping, Ashley Willcott. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's theft. It's a crime, and it just adds
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  Speaker 1: to everything else that you read about what this mother's doing.
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  Speaker 1: She's only thirty three. But don't you know, hey, you've
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  Speaker 1: lost a child. You probably murdered your child. I think
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  Speaker 1: you need to grow up and take responsibility. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, you jumped a gun. She's thirty three. Tomorrow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you got you got about twelve fifteen hours to go
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  Speaker 1: on that one. You know what, though, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with Ashley, and I don't begrudge anyone. You know,
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  Speaker 1: your work all day you want. I like to come
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  Speaker 1: home and be with the children and sit around the
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  Speaker 1: table and talk about their day. Who did what at school?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't begrudge anybody who drinks. Go for it,
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  Speaker 1: go have a good time. Don't drive for Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 1: but sat Patty's day everything in this case, she should
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  Speaker 1: just go away. Why can't she go away? Or she
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  Speaker 1: wants to be visible, go do something for children, do
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  Speaker 1: something for a charity. Trying to make some sense out
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  Speaker 1: of your life. Guys, hold on just one moment. I've
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  Speaker 1: got to tell you about something. Imagine a case like this,
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  Speaker 1: a double murder trial, a high profile media circus, a
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  Speaker 1: famous celebrity accused of the crime, and then a not
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  Speaker 1: guilty verdict. Now imagine eight years later, what happens when
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  Speaker 1: there's a brand new murder with the same celebrity suspect
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  Speaker 1: and a second chance to get justice. Did he do
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  Speaker 1: it again? And this time? Can she prove it? From
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  Speaker 1: the mind of executive producer Marsha Clark comes in you
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  Speaker 1: murder mystery, only she could tell it's about what goes
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  Speaker 1: on outside the court and beyond the TV cameras, about
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  Speaker 1: the battle fought in the public. I am what really
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  Speaker 1: goes on behind the scenes, and no one knows that
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  Speaker 1: better than Marsha Clark. By the end of the ten episodes,
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  Speaker 1: you'll know the truth, but they'll keep you guessing till
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  Speaker 1: the very last minute. The Fix a ten episode event tonight,
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  Speaker 1: ABC ten nine Central. Her last interview was with Associated
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  Speaker 1: Press reporter Jos Ropogo last year, and she was defiant.
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  Speaker 1: Can't give when anybody thinks about me. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about that. I never will. I'm okay with myself. I
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  Speaker 1: sleep pretty good at night. She put on a show.
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  Speaker 1: She cried. She held her daughter's picture, said this is
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  Speaker 1: my daughter, who I love so much, and I felt
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  Speaker 1: like she was telling me what I wanted to hear.
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  Speaker 1: Casey's mother, Cindy Anthony, told Inside Edition that she used
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  Speaker 1: to keep Little Kayley's room the way it was when
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  Speaker 1: she disappeared. Teddy is holding Kayley's spot at the picnic table.
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  Speaker 1: Mister pig always joins us. Today, Casey has no contact
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  Speaker 1: with her parents. Her daughter would be thirteen years old
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  Speaker 1: if she was alive. Casey Anthony was asked what little
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  Speaker 1: Kayley would be like today. I would like to think
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  Speaker 1: she'd be listening to classic rock and playing sports and
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  Speaker 1: not taking from anybody. Okay, you were hearing from our feelalist,
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  Speaker 1: trended Inside Edition. In the last hour's time, I'm Casey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony not coming out to help with a children's hospital
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  Speaker 1: or a fundraising event for child victims. No, she's at
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  Speaker 1: a bar getting drunk, just like she did when her
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  Speaker 1: daughter was quote missing. During that month plus when Little
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  Speaker 1: Kelly was apparently being driven around in the back of
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  Speaker 1: her trunk of her car or a throne into a
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  Speaker 1: wooded area just about ten houses down from the Anthony home,
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  Speaker 1: drunk as a skunk at hot body contest, climbing a
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  Speaker 1: stripper pole and a mini dress and go go boots.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's just like history repeating itself all over again.
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  Speaker 1: What about turning your life around, doing something different, thinking
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  Speaker 1: about somebody other than just yourself. Now, Jackie Howard here
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  Speaker 1: in the studio is telling me there are reports top
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  Speaker 1: moun Casey Anthony reached out to her father, who was
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  Speaker 1: just a horrible, horrible car crash man. Cindy and George
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  Speaker 1: Anthony have really been through the mill. I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: a horrible chapter in their lives, losing the thing they
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  Speaker 1: loved the most, Kelly, who they were paying for, they
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  Speaker 1: were raising, they were supporting, feeding, putting to bed at night,
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  Speaker 1: while their daughters sat on the sofa eating chips, pretending
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  Speaker 1: she had a job, faking them out, even with a
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  Speaker 1: fake ID to work at Universal the works, a fake nanny,
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  Speaker 1: everything fake, And I guess the beat goes on in
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  Speaker 1: the last hours. Top mount Casey Anthony out pounding back
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  Speaker 1: booze straight out to Karen Smith, forensics expert, A lot
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  Speaker 1: of doubt was cast on, not in my mind, but
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  Speaker 1: in some people's mind enough to confuse the jury on
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  Speaker 1: what was in the trunk belonging to Casey Anthony. Remember
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  Speaker 1: when her mother, who ended up trying to defend her
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  Speaker 1: at trial, said, it smells like a damn body back there.
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  Speaker 1: It just sounds like a damn dead body back there,
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  Speaker 1: because there was a dead body back there, and everyone
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  Speaker 1: smelled it, and there's nothing can Once you smell a
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  Speaker 1: decomposing human body and you never forget it, you know
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  Speaker 1: immediately something is wrong. Forensics air tests showed that there
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  Speaker 1: was d comp human d coomp in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the car. Why is it that that the jury couldn't
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  Speaker 1: understand that what happened? Karen, Well, you know this, You're right,
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  Speaker 1: and once you've smelled a decomposed body, you never forget it.
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  Speaker 1: It is so distinct and so awful that it is
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  Speaker 1: in your brain cavity for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: That testimony was by doctor our Pad Vass, and I
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  Speaker 1: worked with doctor Vass at the University of Tennessee. I
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  Speaker 1: had the privilege of getting to know him and seeing
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  Speaker 1: some of his research he's a fantastically intelligent man. I
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  Speaker 1: think what happened was his techniques were so novel um.
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  Speaker 1: He basically took air samples from the trunk and he
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  Speaker 1: ran them through a very complicated chemical process, and he
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  Speaker 1: said it came back with this chromatogram that showed human remains,
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  Speaker 1: which is very distinct in his research. I think the
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  Speaker 1: problem is it was so novel. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it passed Daubear, which is or Daubert, which is a
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  Speaker 1: scientific community being. But the judge let it in. If
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  Speaker 1: it didn't pass, there you go, and what she's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: She's gone into warp speed like on Star Trek. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: when the first fingerprint was introduced in court, everybody's like, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you can't prove that was from And it took testing
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  Speaker 1: and it meant a standard she's referring to. The Daubert
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  Speaker 1: test in court is sometimes called a fry test, which
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  Speaker 1: means that it's accepted within scientific community, just like a fingerprint,
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  Speaker 1: just like a voice analysis, just like DNA, it takes
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  Speaker 1: testing to determine if it is competent and reliable to
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  Speaker 1: put in front of a jury. Into this day, lie
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  Speaker 1: detectors are not deemed sufficient unless both parties stipulate agree
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  Speaker 1: ahead of time before it's taken that it will come
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  Speaker 1: into evidence. Those are still not allowed in criminal cases
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  Speaker 1: and civil yes, and criminal no. And that's why, Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I want to talk about George and Cindy Anthony,
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  Speaker 1: but we're talking about Cindy discovering that Kelly is missing.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this my daughter's cards to day
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  Speaker 1: and it's not. What is the three year old name?
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  Speaker 1: Ay l E E. Anthony Haley Anthony. Yes, okay, she
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  Speaker 1: wiped her hystanic? He is white. How long has she
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  Speaker 1: been missing for? I had not seen miss since the
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  Speaker 1: seventh of two? What is her date of birth? Um
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  Speaker 1: three eight nine, two thousand three, two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 1: So it's true, listen, true sen her a month ago.
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  Speaker 1: She's missing. Okay, I just don't I need I understand.
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  Speaker 1: I can you just can you come down for me
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  Speaker 1: for this a minute. I don't even know what's going on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and you know later, Cindy, trying to
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  Speaker 1: protect her daughter, said, well, maybe it was just an
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  Speaker 1: old pizza. That's not what she told. Line one one,
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  Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you something Robin wi Wentz. You
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  Speaker 1: were in the court every single day, Georgia sent the
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  Speaker 1: Anthony had been portrayed so badly in the media, And
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  Speaker 1: when I look back on what they went through the
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  Speaker 1: times I met them, they were really seemingly fine people,
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  Speaker 1: fine people, you know, just trying to make a living
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  Speaker 1: with ups and downs in their lives, just like everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: And the world caught them in a horrible time with
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  Speaker 1: their granddaughter that they felt was like their daughter. Where
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  Speaker 1: it was raising her, Tom, I wasn't raising her, missing
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  Speaker 1: their daughter under suspicion their only daughter. Media camped out
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  Speaker 1: in there all over. You couldn't even walk out the
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  Speaker 1: door without them being there. They'd come out and yell
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  Speaker 1: at the media. Do you blame them? And that's how
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  Speaker 1: they were portrayed, Robin, I feel so bad for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, Nancy. We were actually inside that courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember I was in C one in the
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  Speaker 1: corner and they were sitting behind me on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember during when that piece of audio was
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  Speaker 1: played and Cindy was on the stand. If you'll remember,
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  Speaker 1: you only saw the top of her head. She almost
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  Speaker 1: collapsed in her seat. She was so distraught. I also
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  Speaker 1: would get to court early every morning, and one morning
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  Speaker 1: I heard a woman crying in that bath if you remember,
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  Speaker 1: there's a bathroom up there, right outside that courtroom. And
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  Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom alone with Cindy Anthony, probably
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  Speaker 1: a half hour to forty five minutes before the court started,
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  Speaker 1: and she was hysterical crying in there, thinking, Wow, my
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  Speaker 1: granddaughter is gone and now my daughter is facing the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, and you know that that's what was going
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  Speaker 1: through her mind. But there was Nancy. We can't do
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  Speaker 1: this story and not talk about the level of enabling
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  Speaker 1: that went on, because let me tell you, your daughter
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have a fake ID for two years and say
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  Speaker 1: she had a job at Disney and then really she's
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  Speaker 1: just out partying. And in my mind, the bottom line
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  Speaker 1: is the reason that Kayley is dead today and not
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  Speaker 1: going to turn fourteen years old in August. It's very simple,
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  Speaker 1: Casey wants the party. Well, I can do a program
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  Speaker 1: without talking and put it about the parents, George and Cindy,
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  Speaker 1: because this is not their fault. This is top Mom's fault.
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  Speaker 1: And anything that they, as you say, enabled, they did
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  Speaker 1: out of blind love for Top Mom and you know
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  Speaker 1: that the saying is love is blind, and I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was in their case. And even at the end,
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony was up there saying she was the one
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  Speaker 1: doing those searches to how to make homemade chloroform, and
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  Speaker 1: that she meant to put chlorophyll, you know, which is
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  Speaker 1: a part of photosynthesis with plants turn green and grow.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't even home at the time. She couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: done it on that home computer. But that that's a
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  Speaker 1: whole other can of worms. When I think about what
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  Speaker 1: they've been through and that she wants to party, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened, Doctor Bethany Marshall, What is it? What
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  Speaker 1: is it so irritating, Doctor Bethany? Here the shrink that
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  Speaker 1: Anthony's always looking for a party, asking for people to
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  Speaker 1: come take shots with her living in it. Why is
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  Speaker 1: it so irritating to so many people? Well, Nancy, this
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  Speaker 1: is what led to the legend murder in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to get her daughter out of the way
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  Speaker 1: so she could lead an idealized life. So this is
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  Speaker 1: a part of the offending pattern. It's not just that
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  Speaker 1: ten years later now she's regrouped and she's having a
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  Speaker 1: good time. She did this from the very beginning. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back for a second about Cindy enabling.
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  Speaker 1: A very important part of this story, Nancy, is that
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  Speaker 1: todd mom was not taking care of her little girl.
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  Speaker 1: So Cindy went to psychotherapy. She sought help with a
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  Speaker 1: mental health specialist, and that person encouraged her to force
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  Speaker 1: Casey to take responsibility for Kaylee. Do you remember that,
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  Speaker 1: because Kathy, as you kept saying, was lying on the
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  Speaker 1: sofy eating chips, out dancing out on a strip or pole,
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  Speaker 1: out dating, and Cindy was taking care of her granddaughter
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  Speaker 1: sin all the primary parenting was falling on her shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: And it was when Cindy forced her daughter to take
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  Speaker 1: up her parenting responsibilities that the little girl disappeared. So actually,
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  Speaker 1: it's when the pattern of codependency broke that the comm
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  Speaker 1: side took place. And I think that's why Cindy's so heartbroken,
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  Speaker 1: is that in some ways she might feel responsible. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine what a mess to have your own daughter. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: so many grandparents in our country are in this situation
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  Speaker 1: right now where they're taking care of their grandchildren because
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  Speaker 1: they have adult children who are not parenting appropriately. And
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  Speaker 1: Cindy is just what one more of these large group
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  Speaker 1: of people that we have that was just struggling to
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  Speaker 1: find her way in a very messy situation. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace help me the police. I heard this
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  Speaker 1: feeling that something was wrong. Police swarmed this building after
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a mother's intuition told her something was not right with
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: her daughter. I would ask my Polly police to come
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  Speaker 1: over to my daughter's apartment. Nothing on the phone prepared
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  Speaker 1: us for what we were walking into. And I asked
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: them where is my daughter? And they didn't answer. It's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: hard to talk about it without kind of gagging. The
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: blood evidence in this case told me that this was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a prolonged and brutal crime. The deeper you dig, the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: more mysterious it becomes. This case reads like a movie script.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It's just more like a horror movie. Did a rich
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  Speaker 1: kid with a silver spoon stuck in his mouth since
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  Speaker 1: day one murder his fiance and actually drain her blood? Now,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: from what we know, he Blake label is a so
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  Speaker 1: called graphic novelist. What exactly does that mean? I recall
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  Speaker 1: the other day the twins had a book report and
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  Speaker 1: they could pick different genres, the genre they were told
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  Speaker 1: to use this graphic novel. Like, okay, so we got
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  Speaker 1: a graphic novel. It's like a book full of cartoons.
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  Speaker 1: They're not always funny. It can be a dramatic story.
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  Speaker 1: It can it even be a sci fi or a
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  Speaker 1: horror story. So that's what graphic novel means to my
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  Speaker 1: understanding graphic novelist. Basically, you know, comics of sorts, at
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: least that's what it looks like. Forget that, how did
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  Speaker 1: this woman end up with all the blood drained from
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  Speaker 1: her body? Because in the last hours, a multi million
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  Speaker 1: dollar lawsuit hits the headlines. Joining me Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert doctor Brian Russell, host of id's hit series
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  Speaker 1: Fatal Vows, Ashe Wilcott, judge lawyer at Ashe Wilcott dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the crime itself, then I'll get to the money. Well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: answer the crime itself. Pez was one of the most
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: brutal crimes basically in history. This man, Blake Glaubelle, took
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  Speaker 1: his wife I'm sorry not his wife is fiance, Ayanna,
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  Speaker 1: into his apartment in Los Angeles. He hit her over
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  Speaker 1: the head. He scalped her. Police still her scalping. Okay, wait, wait,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: wait wait did you say scalp sea lp? Did you
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  Speaker 1: say that scalped? Yes, scalped her. Joseph Scott Morgan, we
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  Speaker 1: need a forensics expert right now. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State
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  Speaker 1: University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Joe Scott
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  Speaker 1: explain what we mean by a modern day scalping. That
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  Speaker 1: means that her scalp was removed all the way down
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  Speaker 1: to the bone of her skull, or what we commonly
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: refer to as the external table of her skull, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: there are some patches of tissue still left on the
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  Speaker 1: backside of her head. But make no mistake, Nancy, this woman,
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  Speaker 1: this woman had her had her scalp completely removed from
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: her head while while she was still alive. And I'll
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: throw in one bonus little ditty right here as well.
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  Speaker 1: She had been bitten multiple times as well about the
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  Speaker 1: face and cheeks. Never one to disappoint Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: thank you for the additional tidbit of the biting on
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  Speaker 1: the face. In fact, when she was scalped. You're quite welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Even her ears were cut off. Scott, Yeah, it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of cases. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know in my memory if I recall anything like this,
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  Speaker 1: you would think that it would stand out, and I
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  Speaker 1: just don't. And it was not a quick death. She
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  Speaker 1: there was some awareness I would imagine on her part
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  Speaker 1: her blood. Are you so sure that she was alive
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  Speaker 1: when she was scouted? Oh, I'll tell you why, because
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  Speaker 1: there's evidence of hemorrhage throughout these injuries. You do not
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: get hemorrhage, Nancy. You do not get hemorrhage unless your
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: blood is still coursing through your body. That means that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: she has contused or kind of bruised areas on her body.
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  Speaker 1: So there was at least some level of awareness throughout
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  Speaker 1: this whole horrible, horrible circumstance that she was dying. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you made me want to just run to the alarm
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  Speaker 1: on the studio and lot Jackie and myself in here
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: right now, just hearing you talk. Because this guy is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: not insane, Blake Libel, spoiled Bratt is not insane, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: yet we believe he did this thing. Now, when you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: say hemorrhage, you know what, Joe Scott, I don't know
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: why you throw out scientific medical terms like that. You
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: mean bleeding like a bruise is called a hematoma, all right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's a bruise. Hemorrhage means you're bleeding. If you're dead.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You don't bleed anymore. If you cut a dead body,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: blood doesn't ooze out because blood is not pumping. You're
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: saying in common terms. I think, Joe Scott, that she bled,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: which means she was alive. Yeah, yeah, that You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think another kind of ghastly level to this.
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  Speaker 1: In my study of this thing, I believe because she
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: was the doctors refer to this as an extinguination. An
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: exanguination means that you lose the totality of your blood.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, wait, wait, wait, I just talked to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you about fancy medical terms and then you say whatever
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you just said, You're gonna have to spell it. Everybody,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: let's write this down. Go aheads bell, please you want
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  Speaker 1: me to spell? Yes? Yes, my god, man, you're putting
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  Speaker 1: me on the stage. Okay, First of all, don't drag
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  Speaker 1: God into it. We do not owe MG on crime stories. Okay,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he's already mad at me for undisclosed reasons. Let's not
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: make it worse. X. What did you call it exanguination?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Exanguination is right, that's when all the blood runs out
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  Speaker 1: of you, is gone from your body. Yes, it does.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And if you if folks at home will also think
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  Speaker 1: about nobody at home needs to know why to how
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  Speaker 1: to exanguinate someone. But that's a whole other cannon. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: know what, Let me get back to something I can
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  Speaker 1: understand and not ask for spellings that even you can't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: just rattle off up ash you, Wilcott, you see cases
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  Speaker 1: day in day out, day in day out. Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe that there had ever been any telltale sign, a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: hint that Blake Libel was capable of this type of violence? No, listen,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's been a hint that he's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: capable of that type of violence or not. But there
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: were definitely red flags if you look back and you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: know hindsights twenty twenty. Let's talk about those red flags, Nancy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It's these things. Number one, he left his wife who
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: had just had a second child, baby, who left her.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Then he had a girlfriend, and he also was in
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: love with this person who's now been murdered, So there's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of red flags they're rolling the way. Just
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: because somebody's really wealthy does not make them a good person.
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  Speaker 1: What about it, Doctor Brian Russell, you're a psychologist, host
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of id's Fatal Vowel series. Do you believe that there
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: were alarms, red flags, warnings. Well, yes, to the extent
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that at the core of every associopath and psychopath is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the personality trait of narcissism, and from narcissism springs entitlement.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Because somebody says narcissistic, they feel entitled to do and
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  Speaker 1: take what they want to and from other people, regardless
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the negative impact that it has on those other people.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this is I think it illustrates
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  Speaker 1: the line between what is a sociopath and what is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a psychopath. A sociopath is somebody who hurts other people
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: for some secondary reason. So for example, someone will kill
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: their spouse to collect insurance money, or they'll kill their
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: spouse to get the spouse out of the way so
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they can go on and have a new life with
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: somebody else, Like Chris Watts. A psychopath does it, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that is the reason, the feeling, the fun whatever they
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: get out of the act of doing it is the rewards.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: We call it primary gain as opposed to secondary gain.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy, I don't know what in the world
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  Speaker 1: was going on in the relationship, if there was anything
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  Speaker 1: that he whipped up in his mind as a justification
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  Speaker 1: to do this, but clearly he didn't just want to
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  Speaker 1: just kill this woman. He wanted to make this woman
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  Speaker 1: suffer and he enjoyed it. And that is a psychopath.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bt K, as an example from my home
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: state of Kansas, a bt K like psychopath. In an
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  Speaker 1: interview from Comic Con in New York in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight, Libel talking about comic books that he authored.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: The storyline is about when a new planet enters our
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  Speaker 1: solar system, the Earth few knights and we put down
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: our weapons and we find a new enemy that's about
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  Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen feet and they ride and control dinosaurs
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  Speaker 1: like dogs. He gave one of the books he wrote
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  Speaker 1: to Michael Yeerman, who lives next door to Libel's multimillion
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  Speaker 1: dollar Hollywood home. He say to me, he gave me
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a book, and he said, he's a right, that's it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And this is all my introduction. Rich kill other neighbors
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: say he didn't live there long though there was always
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: activity at the house, which is now silent, just a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people in and a um, a lot of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: girls and music. You are hearing from our friends at
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: k ABC TV. That was Chelsea Edwards giving details on
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Blake Whitebell's career. Is a comic book author. It's called
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: graphic novelists, and you hear him speaking on a YouTube
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: video at Comic Con. All that aside, his girlfriend has
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: found dead scalp and her blood drained. To you, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, just for your knowledge, if you've got a
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  Speaker 1: pen e X S A N g U I N
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  Speaker 1: A T I O N exanguination, hang okay, always learn
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  Speaker 1: something new and that's when you bleed out a living
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  Speaker 1: creature um, which is what happened here. Big question though,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: were their warning signs? Were their red flags? What about it?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, guy, you mentioned it. He's a graphic novelist.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that investigators looked at is that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: he had created a graphic novel, one of these comic
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: books that actually portrayed a death contained within the storyline
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of mirrored what went on with this poor
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  Speaker 1: woman during this protracted period of time when she was
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: bleeding to death inside of this apartment. Yeah, bleeding to death.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: That's a euphemism that book. I believe Jackie Howard is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: waving her hand Wiley as syndrome. I'm not even going
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to ask have you read it, because you're scaring me
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: right now talking about bleeding to death, Joe Scott Morgan,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell ask you will cut league and actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: throughout the apartment, police found blood. They found pieces of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: flesh from Caseyan's mutilated body in the bed behind the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: mattress on the floor. One of the bed sheets had
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: handprints that matched Libel's hand exactly. Let me think, oh,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: they knew that because part of it is missing the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: print because he was wearing a right pinky ring. In
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the basement, eleven discarded trash bags containing bloody sheets, clothes,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: body parch, chunks of hair, and scalp. Inside the apartment,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: they found the victim just absolutely beautiful person, a model,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: as I recall his fiancee, Iana Casium. They find her
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: body lying there, and next to her body, which had
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: been cleaned, cops find a knife and a bloody razor
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: blade that was used. Cops believe during the scalping and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the exanguination. Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: speaking of red flags clues other than a whole book
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: syndrome that details this plotline. What do we know about
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: this most recent develop a multimillion dollar lawsuit? Well, what
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: we know is he didn't show up for the lawsuits.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: His attorney quit. He had no attorney there, no family
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: members there. So a Los Angeles Superior Court judge of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: course gave you know, granted the lawsuit to the planiffs,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: which was the fiance's mother, and she was awarded forty
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: one point six million dollars in this wrongful death lawsuit. Well,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Blake Libella is a millionaire property air right, I mean
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it doesn't he have millions of dollars? Lee Egan, He
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: his family does. That doesn't necessarily mean he does. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: know that his family is the one that was sending
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: him money to live the lifestyle that he did in California.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I believe it's somewhere in the millions. His mother was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: sending him after he moved to Los Angeles, So within
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a year or so, she had already sent him over
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a million dollars to live on so it's not that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: he's wealthy. His family's wealthy. So we're unsure if he
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: has the money to pay this or not, if he's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: actually good for it. You know, officers following broke into
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Lybelle's apartment. They were hesitant at first because he's so
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: rich and to a degree famous there in Hollywood looking
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: for Casey, and she was found naked, mutilated, drained of blood,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and covered with a red Mickey Mouse blanket. But you
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: know what, take a listen to what we learned in
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the autopsy report. At least discovered the body of thirty
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: year old Iana cassia An inside her West Hollywood condo
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: in May of last year. Investigators say the model and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: mother of a two month baby was discovered dead in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: her bed. That just released autopsy report reveals graphic details
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of her death. The report says Cassian's scalp was missing,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: her skull fully exposed. The scalp has never been found.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: The report says the scalp appears to have been cut
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: at the back of the head, but in other places
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it was jagged and appeared to have been torn away.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: It also says portions of the right side of her
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: face were torn away, including her right ear. Also indicated
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: an injury to her jaw, which the report says appears
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to be a human bite. Mark Well, I'm wondering if
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: all of that is even worth forty six million dollars,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: because I don't think any amount of money is worth
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that Lee Egan didn't casey and have a child. If
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: she did, they had a baby that was just born
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a few weeks or so before she was killed, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: her mother, Olga, fortunately was babysitting they when the mother
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: was killed had recently given birth I think about two months.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: According to the La County Sheriff's Department, they had never
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: seen a more heinous crime than this one Lee Egan.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Is there any way this rich brat can pay up
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the forty six mil to the family. Probably not Probably,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean it it was his family that had the money,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and he supposedly was a party boy in California and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you know, just blew through the money his family sent him.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So unless he's got something hidden, I just don't see
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: how well talk about red flags. I mean, is this
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: anymore of a blueprint for murder? Listen to our friend
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: at k our friend at KABCTV. Mark Brown suspect in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: this grizzly murder case is thirty seven year old Blake Leebel,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the father of Ianna Cassian's child. Leebel is the author
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of a series of comic books he presented at Comic
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Con in New York in two thousand and eight. He
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: is also the writer of the graphic novel Syndrome. The
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: book's plot follows a rogue doctor's quest to isolate the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: root of evil in the brain and fix it. Leebel
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: is the son of Lauren Lebeal, a wealthy Canadian realistic
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: developer credited with building more than thirty thousand homes in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the Toronto area. Blake Leewell is also reported to have
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: inherited millions of dollars from his late mother's estate. Well,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: if he inherited millions, he's got the money, Well not
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: for much longer. Take a listen to what kabctv's Jewelry
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Ran learns from neighbors. When I went inside, I didn't
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: see anybody, but I heard someone screaming, like going crazy.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But I didn't see anybody inside though, like screaming like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: they were afraid of something like bloody murder, like something
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: terrible is going on now that one was actually a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: dog walker who came in earlier today. The screams she
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: heard was the victim's mother who came upon the scene,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the one who had reported her daughter missing earlier. Today.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: She found out what had happened, and she could be
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: heard all throughout this building. The couple also had an
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: infant child who we thought may have been in the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: apartment at the time. The Sheriff's department has not confirmed
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: whether the baby was there, but they have confirmed that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it is safe and is now in the custody of family.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: We wait as just just unfolds, but I know this,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: no amount of money can ever make up for this
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: family losing their daughter and this child losing her mom.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye, Fred