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Street Farbrengen #143: Holy Unrest, Anxiety with Silence · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm watching the news particularly what's going on in France.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_03: They're burning the whole place down.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um they deserve it, but that's a different discussion.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately though, a lot of Jewish stores were targeted.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it's happening in other areas.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: So basically what we're seeing is unrest.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever the motivation for it is, it's unrest, unhappiness.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: Do we have unrest by us?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: As the Rebbe said, whatever takes place in seven hundred is Mishbia to the rest of the world.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: What's our unrest?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_07: Where you have an a holy unrest that we're still in gullis, that we don't get to see Mashiach.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_07: We can we've we're struggling to open our eyes and opening the world's eyes to the reality that's before us, according to the Rebba.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_07: So I mean, there's a holy unrest that there's something wrong that we're not in our natural state of being, which is gula.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's beautiful.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: So what what should be the unrest in that?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_07: The unrest is what what's going on.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_07: How does that look?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_07: I I'm well, it's funny because this is, I think, one of the struggles when the uh I guess I mean we've talked a lot of times about Koch Nissan, and then people just being like, well, what do we do?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_07: And then when they went to Rabbi Grohner, we had a whole forbringing about, you know, okay, you know, what is everybody doing?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_07: And they're trying to figure it out.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_07: What do you mean?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_07: Go learn more Torah, spread more Cassidus, whatever the Rebbe said then to do, but it was just, you know, not a different thing.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe how to do it.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe admasai is unrest.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I don't think just screaming it is the unrest that you're describing, or really accomplishes anything, even though obviously there's always an accomplishment in your words.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: But well, you have to mean it.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: That goes without saying.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_07: No, but I'm saying the screaming of admasai, the screaming of Yachi is very nice, but it's not the uh it's not the unrest, I think, of what you're referring to.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what is it?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_07: But you're referring to the action, the the takeaway of that screaming out.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know what that is, but I'm saying that's what we have to figure out.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's tear down gullus.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_07: Burn burn, burn, burn the bridges, make it so that you can only go forward.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_07: I don't I don't know.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's something I'm it's yeah, because I've been feeling unrestful, I think.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_07: So again, is it holy unrest or is it unrest?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: Why shouldn't my unrest be holy by definition?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm feeling unrest.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: Is it is it from you could I could argue it's from the lack of kiducia?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, let's leave it at that.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_07: Fine.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: No, but it's it's interesting because like you were saying about the fact that Franz is Judaism all about having a beautiful, calm, sh um shalom bias existence?
• 3:55
  unknown: Yeah.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_07: Well then where's the rule?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_07: So where's the rule?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, how do you have Bataken where the qualifying feature of Batakin is Manuka and at the same time feel unrest?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know how you balance those two, Ruby.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, interesting, isn't it?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I guess um that's the end of that, no.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_07: No, but you were saying before about like what's going on in these different locations, and so it's incredible that there are still Jewish stores to burn down, even in France, after how much exodus has been going on in the past.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: I I understand, but I don't think we're you're talking about that.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_07: But the the idea that it's happening to Jews and Jewish businesses, and you know, just goes back always to what the Rebbe said about the external um foe versus the internal one, where it's you have the you have it done externally in order to bring out a person's mysterious nephesh versus you know having it to come from within.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_07: So I don't know what that means.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe there's not enough unrest about gullus, and that's why you still need the external opponent.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_07: I don't want to give touches of why bad things are happening to good people.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to know why.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: You have to say, what do you learn?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: What is the message to you?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_03: Not what's the message from you to them.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: So uh yeah, it's it's we're learning Basilagani for so long now that um a lot of it is about going to war.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: And does that mean we're always in a place of anxiety?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_03: Which is a sort of unrest.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what we're gonna we're gonna learn about this world that we're in that it's so but when you go to war you can't be anxious?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_07: The person has to go with confidence and minuka and so how do you balance these things?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_07: I I go back to my original question or the question that you helped bring out.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_07: How are you supposed to have bataka and with manuka and at the same time feel unrest?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_07: How do you how do you balance those two?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_07: What do you do with that?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well, does looking for the future to be bigger than the present in whatever um way that you're looking at?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: Does looking for the future to be bigger mean you're unr uh you have unrest?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_07: I think there has to be some component of that, yeah.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but you can have menucha at the same time for the present.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: So in other words, you're not fighting the present in order to get to the future.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: The present you have menucha.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: And you still want to have a different future.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: So you're not fighting the present in order to get better.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: So in general, that's the big difference between the turning point, I think, by the Rebbe is that Mashiach was no longer the escape hatch from you know perfidy, but it was something for its own self.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: And at the same time you were to live in a place of tachin and so on and so forth in the present.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um maybe that's uh why we sing so much unrest.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're I think the Jewish people are are definitely at un at a place of unrest.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_07: Gullus is a state of unrest.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_07: You're not in the natural state.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_07: That's how the rabbit defines the fact Yeah, that the the ghoula is the natural state of the Jew, is the natural state of the world, and there's an uncomfortability when the world isn't like that.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: So that's the reason somebody asked me uh a few weeks ago, one of my entertainment uh media team.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Why are Hav Saddam always running?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: He wanted to know why are they always running?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: I've been asking that question for a long time also, but running away from something or running.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_07: No, they're always running.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_07: They're always running.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_07: No, I'm asking more philosophically.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we know the answer to that one.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: And we like we're harried.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: We're always seem to be harried.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Even on Shabbos.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like these guys, you know, in the community.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: There's a guy, uh love the guy, but he dubbins Vasikan by himself because there's no Vasikan in the in the community.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: And what on Shabbos.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: And um he's very proud and says with a big smile that he has Shalas Shuddhas by like ten thirty in the morning.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: So um is he or is he harried?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: He's got to have his his Vasekin, he's gotta reach it, he's gotta show you know, show up on time, and there's a lot of anxiety there.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um seems like we live off of that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I actually hate it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: It goes to Tara Mistus, no?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_07: What do you mean?
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_07: What do you hate you hate?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: The pressure anxiety lead up to whatever.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean, uh on the bigger moments of the calendar, you have Pesach and you have I don't know, Are Vipper.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like Air V Kippra, I never understood why it's everything is fast.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: But you have this anxiety pushing you.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have that?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I I understand what you're saying.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, this is I mean that there's the famous yeah.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: What's the what's it for?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_07: Well, there's this idea of the difference between mitzvahis before Mashiach and after they're mutatald.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_07: So what does it mean that you know there's no more mitzvahs and there are there's whatever?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_07: So the Rebbe explains that it's not that you don't have to do the mitzvah, it's that you don't have to be commanded to do the mitzvah.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_07: So the commandment has what you're has the the the flavor of what you're describing where it's like there's an anxiety around it because you have your will, you have something, there's a there's a there's a tension.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's why you have to be commanded to do it versus when it becomes obvious and it's part and parcel of just like living and existing, then of course I'm gonna do the mitzvah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_07: Because I'm but why is that anxiety?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_07: I'm just saying the commandment has a degree of anxiety because it's not coming from you entirely.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna make a preempt.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody, you have to be over the age of 21 listening.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_07: So you could say, I guess.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: No, yeah, so you can say lachaim.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't understand.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: So um there's a myth uh I don't buy that.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: And and there's a myth, there's a myth for pro-revo.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have anxiety in that?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_07: Not the act of working on it, but maybe the act of having kids.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_07: There's a lot, people have a lot of information for anything.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: So that's number one.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: Number two is um Yeah, I I you know it reminds me that I guess you're in Mashiak times when it comes to pro-review.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_07: Congratulations, Ruben.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_07: Is that what you're trying to tell us now?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_07: You've transcended command.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, it's the other way around.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: Now I have exactly learning the Shabbos, and he goes, uh not a Lababashu guy, and he goes, in response to something, he says, even when I stub my toe, I question what is the reason why God is mad at me.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I look at him and I said, What?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like and he grew up, you know, in the system.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, there's a place where you understand.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: I know that, and there's a Gemara that says, I know all that.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_07: You reach your hand in your right pocket and it doesn't matter.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right, which which brings me to one of the fantasy ideas that I have that the there are many, many, many different angles in Torah.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe infinite angles.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: But so the question is which angle do you adopt?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: So in general, we know there's musra, and musra is valid.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that idea that, you know, I'm here to get to heaven and everything is uh transactional, and you could get whacked in the face by somebody, by God if you're a bad boy, etc.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: etc.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's totally legitimate.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then you have a different higher perspective where it doesn't talk about all that, right?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, how often do we speak about Gehenim in Chabad Khazidas?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's like okay.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: So which one do you choose?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Do you choose anxiety?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_07: I definitely don't choose it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_07: I may have it, but I don't choose anything.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but where where now comes to what I told you about the Haklata.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: What am I thinking of that would produces anxiety?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: What am I thinking about God that produces my anxiety?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't adopted and I don't I'm not taught that you know I have to get to Ghanalian, and if I don't get there, it's terrible.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, all those things again are true, but this is not our horiz horizontal view, right?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: Looking over the horizon.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: So where's the anxiety from?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: Where's the unrest from?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're saying it's wholly unrest would be because I want to get I want to get to a place where I'm not where I'm free.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I mean the anxiety is that you don't feel like you're holding where you should be holding.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_07: You're not about to do a mitzvah.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I don't do you really I don't I don't particularly think along those lines.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know, I'm not holding where I'm supposed to be holding.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: That that it's Hagoofakasha, but go ahead.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, whatever, go on.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_07: I I have I have a thought, but but go on.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, no, go go on.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_07: Say your thought.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_07: It's a little bit off topic.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, say your off thought, but um I'm gonna try to connect it to what you're doing.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's just what do you mean?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a disassociated moment with it.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, I'm saying it's connected in my head, but you're gonna have to see the link in a minute.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_07: So I was having a conversation on Simkus Torah after saying Kiddish on Luchayam and whatever, already being um Frey Luch, where this this guy was was kind of uh cucking in uh Gashmius' inion of the food of something that like you know he was taking extra enjoyment from and like was kind of like announcing it almost to like the table, like just like making uh making bigger comments about whatever it was.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_07: And I told him in my state that I actually think you are so into your taivas because you feel so much guilt around having your taivas.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: You mentioned that last time we met.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know if we I don't think I actually said it here, but I told you about it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_07: But and he was like perplexed.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, What are you talking about?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, you're you're you're so focused because you're trying to drown out your guilt in having taivas, and having taivas isn't the problem.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_07: And meanwhile, the fact that you have guilt and the guilt is making it so that your taivas become your main focus, and that's the bigger problem, but not having the taiva, and that's where the whole thing stems from is that you have this underlying guilt that you're human and have taivas.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: So you're not even talking about him doing anything, you're talking about just being in a place of about taiva.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: So you're saying that he goes and he now on Simchus Tira with all of its gebenkite, focuses on the food, which what legitimizes and and not legitimizes, um it drowns out his feeling of guilt because how can he have guilt for being about to be a good thing?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a person who has a heterogeneous.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: When he has a hectare of food.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So so like the same idea as vapors who think they're not smoking cigarettes.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_07: So so I'm saying for your anxiety, like where is your it might not even be such a conscious thing, but it might be the underlying pinning of where that anxiety is coming from.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: In other words, another way of saying it is what's the buy-in to your anxiety?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, I speak about I mention that a lot.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's always a buy-in.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: There's always what's behind what's what's the comfort zone here?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: So you're saying that I'm comfortable having anxiety because so it's like this guy's Taiva for food because of the okay.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: So, well, if we go exact matching, you'd say, because I feel guilty for having anxiety.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_07: Either that or guilty that again, you're not doing what you should be doing, holding where you should be holding.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying there's an underlying, so you drown it out with just like an You drown it out in appropriate, somewhat appropriate moments of anxiety.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: And now you can't distinguish between the two.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's fascinating.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_07: Um I don't know if it's true, but no, it's just an idea.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: It it seems to hold water.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's logical.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh I don't know.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_07: Let's see if uh I mean there's there's whenever I see or watch or get see clips of these unbelievable motivational speakers, yeah, Muhammadil in the non-Jewish world, and somebody will come to them with their problem, and um, somebody will come to them with their problem and like spill out like I'm struggling in business, and within 90 to 120 seconds, he's talking about he's able to extract the fact that like they didn't have any self-worth growing up as a child, so they became it, they were invisible, and so therefore they're invisible in their business, and changes the whole thing, like they were able, they're able to hear the real thing that's behind it that is that is coming out.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_07: So it's a similar idea.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_07: It's like you have to figure out the the what's behind it's what it's really coming from.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: So what's why are we always in a hurry?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_07: So why are we always in a hurry?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we so anxiety-ridden?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, sometimes there's good excuses.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: You need money.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, where's that?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of like this last week's partial.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's the Mayyam Rabim.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: And we do say the Mayum Rabim lift up the boat, and they're actually a positive thing they're called May Noiach.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: So what's Pashat?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_07: That's a good question.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_07: Well, in one of the Maimaram from the Rebbe, the Mayyam Rabim is not actually the challenge of making it.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_07: It's the challenge of remembering where it comes from, that it's not coming from you, and that's why you're only supposed to put your hands in it.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's not coming from Well, yeah, that's the simple shot of So I'm saying it's just it's a conscious awareness of what you're needing to realize is the reality more than the reality of what I think it's usually touched out as is like you're not making enough money, and so therefore you're worried that you're not gonna be able to pay for it.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_07: So you're saying that's not what the person's it's saying the it's saying the Mayam Rabin, which is the Tirdasapranasa, is actually the the remembrance and consciousness of the fact that it is Hashem giving you the lack of consciousness and remembering.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's a lack of consciousness of remembering where the bracha is actually coming from, and that's why you thinking that the bracha is coming from your butt that's right, so that's why you're anxious.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's not the same formula that you've been talking about.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, that was a different point of where it's coming.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_07: Where the underlying idea potentially is coming from.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_07: But yeah, why is everybody in a hurry?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_07: So so how do you connect it then?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um Maybe it's from uh it goes b uh you're saying look in the mirror with With whatever I'm anxious about and I'll find the real anxiety that it's covering.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because you said the idea of the guilt thing or the Tyvas thing.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I have to think about that because that's like a new um I I can think of an answer, actually.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: Please.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: That I when the places of anxiety that I find myself in legitimizes me being stuck there.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_06: Say that again.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_06: It's a good line.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: In other words, again, your formula is the guy's a baltaiva, and some chostaira, because he feels guilty about being a baltaiva.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: So why is it how does this make him feel better about his guilt because he's having a heter dika?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he's leaning into it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: And he likes some chosera and so on and so forth.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: So it it it kind of is like lach belach in in Kashwus, it's like liquid and liquid is a different whole dealing with that, you know, traf and uh something not kosher liquid and something kosher, than let's say two pieces of actual solid product.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: They don't really intermingle and mix, right?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: So, okay.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: So what I'm saying is that if I place myself and allow myself to be in a state of anxiety, and I'm thinking of a few specific things, it legitimizes me being stuck in the very situations that I'm anxious about.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the shot I'm anxious.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: I know I know everything is God.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I know it on different levels, but you know, I've been trained.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: So why am I anxious?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not thinking about, oh my God, it's gonna be terrible, it's gonna be terrible, it's gonna be I don't think like that, but I'm anxious.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: So the anxiety in a sense gives me a hecture on my inability to get out of what's making me anxious.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_08: Well, yeah.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_08: That's wow.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: So um I'm trying to think how that connects to Gulf.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that connects to Gaulah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, how?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Very simple.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: Where in the world does you find in all of the sikhas about Mashiach that you should be anxious about the state of reality?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well I even said it before.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, maybe that's Admasai.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: Where do you see that the Rebbe says, be anxious that you're in Gullus?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think you can be hard-pressed to see that.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_07: What's the word in of anxious and I don't know.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_07: I don't I'm saying, how would you even describe it?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: I guess uh I don't know.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: The worries of gullus.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I don't know.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: The whole idea is, you know, get me out of this place.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe never speaks in that language, get me out of this place.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_07: It says it just doesn't make any sense and we have to scream out.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's why it didn't happen yet.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm saying gullus itself is not I mean, Gaul itself is Gaulah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_03: And if you're marching to Gaula, as the uh somewhat camp song is, um you're doing that with um I don't know, anxiety and so on and and anger.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: Can you can no?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_07: Well, no, uh let's let's parse it out a little bit more if if we can.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_07: Because there's it's also important to distinguish that there's there's worry, anxiety, and overwhelm.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_07: They're three different things.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_07: And so I mean, I don't know.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_07: You don't know why I'm going there?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know either.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't say a word.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_07: I said okay.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_07: Look, I'm sorry that we don't have video.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_07: Let's wait.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_07: Let's figure out where we're going with it.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, why are you now you get into three separate things, you know?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I'm saying, are you describing anxiety is typically about the past.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_07: Worry is about the future, and overwhelm is about the present.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_07: So it's a site so beautiful.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_07: So they Yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_07: Whatever.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: So you can't be anxious about the present?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_07: You I mean, I'm just saying, I'm not anxious about the past.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe it's worry is the past, anxiety is the future, and overwhelm is like oh, so you forgot the whatever it is, but I'm saying the guy that tells over in 20 120 seconds what the guy's problem is in business and he figures it all out.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not yeah, you forgot what he told you.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, you forgot what he told you.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not there, I'm not there quite yet.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_07: But no, but the point is, is like are you saying that there's like an anxiety that we're not in Gaulla?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_07: And so therefore, or you're saying because of the challenges that we're dealing with in the present gullus, that we should be um not focused on the the the issue.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_07: That was really what I was saying.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm just asking.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: First of all, I feel funny if you want to know the truth talking about this, because most people, I don't think, feel anxious about it, about gulls, but that's uh they have anxious No, but they have anxiety about their problems, right?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_07: Which supposedly are gonna be fixed.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I don't think I don't even know if the average guy thinks like that.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think he thinks about you know, one of the things I think he just thinks about his problems.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things that occurred to me, Parsha's Noyach, and and I explained to you that uh I have a hard time dealing with the parsley because I can't there's six thousand mammals listed in the registry of mammals in scientific world, you know.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: So you six thousand of those animals alone, um, never mind the food and so on and so forth, um, occupy this rather not so large boat.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's a nace.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: So one answer simply is it's a nas.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: But the Torah doesn't speak about it as a nace, doesn't say it, and we don't celebrate, you don't find the talk about it as a nace.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the Hebrew built a boat, and Rashi asked, why a boat?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because it takes 120 years, and it's uh he and blah blah blah, and whatever.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: So when I was thinking about that, feeling guilty, um, I realized I started to think, like, what was going on in this Teva for the 150 so days or whatever it was that they were in that full year they were in there?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: What was going on there?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: What did they do?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: We have no, at least in the Khomesh level, no talk about it at all.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: What was it like?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: What was it like to sit in the howling wind in the somewhat dark, you know, for so many days on and on and on?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: And what about the 120 years he built it?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Did he did Yod Noyach have anxiety?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: We don't hear a thing about Noyach's Matsov.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_07: Do we hear about a lot of people's emotional states in the Torah?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yaakov was afraid.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_07: I guess, I guess there is individual.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so okay, fine, I hear your point.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: So that itself is Ohira.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm thinking, what's the hirah?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: So we all know in Chasidis that the Mabul is Imam Rabbi, the Mabul, Tirasaparnasa, anxiety, right?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: So when you have anxiety, um think about something that you have anxiety about.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: So when you have anxiety, how do you engage with that anxiety?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: What do you do?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's two, there's two in general, two options.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: One is to run like hell, or the other one is what?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm asking you.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: What do you do when you have something causing you anxiety?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, after I'm done dissociating, you're saying?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_07: No, I'm saying that's the running away you're describing.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: I said, what do you do?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: But that's what I'm saying.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean sometimes I run away.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's not running away.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_07: Oh.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_07: So what's running away?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_07: What's running away?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_07: What do you mean?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: I running away is avoiding it.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know what do you do when you don't run away?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_07: Is I try to solve it.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: And come up with solutions.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so you evaluate the shape of this and the makeup of this challenge.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: You for sure ask yourself, okay, what can I do about it?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm saying to you, none of that is discussed about Nayach.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't even say he went gathering wood to build the Teva.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I mean, even more so, the Rebbe says that the reason why he was in the Tsarek on the level of Avram was because he didn't go out to try to convince people to know.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: But that's a different issue.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the fact that he's facing a Mabul.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he didn't seem to have any.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, it's we don't know.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: The Torah does not mention an iota about it.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and so therefore And that's a Hirah.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_07: Uh to do what?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: Your first engagement with your demons is not evaluating them and trying to figure out how you're gonna get rid of them.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's silence.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: And there's a reason for that.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: Which is that most people cannot sit silent in this day and age, like go check it out.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: That they can just sit with no outside stimulation at all.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: No phone, no music, no book, no um I don't know, whatever else people do.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: No eating.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: Just not even because I go to Arshalomo, not even his body that is talking to God.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: Just sitting in a sense and listening.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: The average guy can't do that.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: Why not?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: Or better yet, what does it do when you do it?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: You get in touch with you're at the helm.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Not in relationship to the seas that you're on, not in relationship to the storm of the seas, but I have a helm and I'm at the helm.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: And most people lose contact with that.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so that's how you dissolve anxiety.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_07: You're you're absolutely right.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_07: And the truth is, is that is something that I do do in uh in hiking.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_07: I uh I often hike in silence, which is a very uncomfortable thing to do when you start out for that reason.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so you don't l hike to music or whatever.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_07: Complete silence.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: But you're moving.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_07: I I I need that, yes, but uh.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: So so the Balshamta says, Balateva, go into the Teva.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: And we see even though everyone knows the word, Teva of there's a word, a Teva of Tvila and Teira.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: But before you go into the Teva, you have to have also a moment of silence.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just think about it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: You come into Shaol, you're overwhelmed by whatever schedule you're trying to keep in your going into the day.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you woke up a little late, maybe the minion's sleeping or whatever.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't sleep well, so you have all these thoughts going on in your head.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: Can you take those are your demons, those are your mind rapids.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Could you take a moment and be silent before you dava?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Before you go into the Teva?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because the silence mostly uh to me is more in the Torah doesn't mention the 120 years of what was going on in Nayak's life and how we f what was you know going on with him.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: It in the the amount of days they were on in the teva itself.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I get it.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: They had no poker cards, they had no books, because it was m is Yamash Meshiach in the Teva.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and what month is the base of Migdash being is Chashman, and Kheshwun comes from the word chash, which is silence.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_08: Wow.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_08: Beautiful.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: I came across uh a song was given to me by some electronic algorithm and the words of the song go If silence is golden, you couldn't accumulate any pennies.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: So we're we're we're we think power is in always thinking, talking, doing.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: It is and it isn't.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: You have to have that moment of that silence thing where you f where you where you tuck, you know, you get in contact with yourself.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: So why so maybe that's why anxiety and unrest is not really I don't know if there's any unholy uh I mean any holy unrest.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_07: Isn't holiness minuhaw, I gave the example before of what I thought was the holy version of it, but now I will rethink it.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_07: Which is I said before the un the unrest of Gullis, that we're still in Gullus and not in the natural state of the world and ourselves of ghoul.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: Fine.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: So because so use your formula now.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel I'm gonna say guilty that I don't have the unrest for for Gaula.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: I therefore have anxiety to cover up over that f in Gallus, and now I have a good uh good reason why I I have such a holy reason why I'm so full of anxiety.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't it holy to be fully anxiety about all the problems I have?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: And you know you know, and I don't want to d d diminish anybody's reality in this, you know, what I'm about to say.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: But isn't that our obsession these days with trauma?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: What's the buy-in to trauma?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's the buy-in.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: What's the buy-in?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_07: You tell me.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you tell me you're the expert in in trauma.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_07: The buy-in is that first of all, you could stay a victim.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_07: And then there's a bunch more, but that's a big one.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I that's what I was saying, that I have the anxiety which legitimizes my being stuck.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's the same thing.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's very interesting.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: So um, so where does that lead us to?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, it leads honestly, the moment of silence is an interesting one because that was the Rebbe's also whatever.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_07: But no, but I'm saying like silence is a powerful tool that should be utilized before Isn't that what the Jews did before when they left Egypt and they before they're going to tear this real?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: They spent 40 years in a silent desert.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: And they they didn't have to work.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: They're it was like the Teva.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_03: Even though they had to feed the animals and so forth.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um so it kind of brings up and you're gonna laugh at this, but it kind of brings up um Is Gula male or female?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_07: The embodiment of female.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Now what is the tension between the the the you know the um stereotype tension between women and men is that women are emotional and men are logical.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: They're in their heads.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: Or more specifically, the woman just wants to talk, and she doesn't want to hear how you're gonna fix what she's talking about.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: She just wants to say what she has.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm feeling overwhelmed today, okay?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: And you're not there to fix her, you want to fix her, and you say, I'm gonna make it so much better.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, and you try, and she goes, I don't you're not listening to me.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what do you want me to do?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: You just want me to sit here and and wallow in your in your overwhelmness?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's not quite the way you should put it, but yeah, right.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: So, what's your job?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: To be silent.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_06: To listen.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_06: To be silent.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_06: To be silent.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: I like it.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's actually very good.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's actually very good.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a funny Yeah, it's a twist.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, it just came to mind that um yeah.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_07: And I think that's a beautiful thing to to take as a as a lesson before you immediately try to go into the problems, the anxieties, your life.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_07: Again, we're now past Parsha's Nayak, we're now in Lakwakah, we're now going out.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_07: Before you go, take a moment, right?
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_07: Be silent, not even pray, not even anything.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_07: And the silence really, like you said, just it it opens up you being in the front seat of the uh of you being the front seat.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_07: Being in the front seat.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_07: I think that's beautiful.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Here's two.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: We'll stop and we'll have some silence.