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HELL ON WHEELS, MACKENZIE SHIRILLA KILLS 2 MEN, DEMANDS KIM KARDASHIAN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hell on wheels. Mackenzie Shrilla kills two young men and
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  Speaker 1: now demands Kim Kardashian come to her aid, amongst other
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  Speaker 1: diva commands. Good evening, I mean to see grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is crime stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: Seventeen year old Mackenzie Sherilla is driving home after a
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  Speaker 2: party with her boyfriend and a friend as passengers. Surveillance
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  Speaker 2: footage shows the Toyota Camry suddenly accelerating, reaching speeds of
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  Speaker 2: up to one hundred miles per hour as it moves
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  Speaker 2: through the area. Within seconds, a loud, violent crash is
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  Speaker 2: captured on camera.
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  Speaker 3: There's a car that's smashed up against the building. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't go up to it because I was on my motorcycle.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know I get stuck. But they ran the curb.
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  Speaker 3: I can see the They smashed the sign and hit
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  Speaker 3: the building. The car crashed.
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  Speaker 1: Let me understand, two young men, very young men, are
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  Speaker 1: dead because of Mackenzie Shrilla. Yet she is making diva demands,
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  Speaker 1: insisting that Kim Kardashian come defend her, and is upset
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  Speaker 1: the Today Show did not interview her. Okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: let that sink in for just one moment straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Joel Waldman Colost of surviving the survivor what happened
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  Speaker 1: to the victims?
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  Speaker 4: You know, obviously one hundred miles an hour into a
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  Speaker 4: brick wall. What's really interesting if you see, prior to
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  Speaker 4: crashing into the wall, there is a slow, meticulous turn,
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  Speaker 4: and that is why this bench judge eventually convicted Mackenzie
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  Speaker 4: Shirrilla these crimes. But they go directly into that brick wall.
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  Speaker 4: From what I understand, one of the two victims dies instantly,
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  Speaker 4: the other does not. Mackenzie Shirilla was never unconscious, was
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  Speaker 4: never unconscious at the hospital, and had her wits about
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  Speaker 4: her the entire time. So I was stunned to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Before we go to Dominic's sister Christaine, listen to this.
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  Speaker 5: I've never spoke before, and I never told my side
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  Speaker 5: of the story. And I understand there's many different sides
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  Speaker 5: to the story and different perspectives, but I just want
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  Speaker 5: to say my truth, and I just know myself, and
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  Speaker 5: I know I'm a monster my truth.
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  Speaker 1: I immediately get suspicious when someone says my truth, which means
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  Speaker 1: what your truth is different from everybody else's truth? How
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  Speaker 1: can that be that's reference at Netflix. You say, I
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  Speaker 1: know I'm not a monster. Yes you are. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: It was like five in the morning and we decided
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  Speaker 5: to head back to Dom's house, and I remember turning
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  Speaker 5: on the street and then I'm waking up in the
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  Speaker 5: hospital the next day and I don't.
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  Speaker 6: Then my whole life is shattered. I have no recollection
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  Speaker 6: of that morning. I'm not saying I'm innocent. I was
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  Speaker 6: a driver of a tragedy, but I'm not a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: That's from our friends at Netflix. She's lying through her teeth.
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  Speaker 1: Why is she saying I woke up in the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Have no idea what happened. My whole life is shattered. Girl.
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  Speaker 1: They're dead, They're dead, Their families lives are shattered. Straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Christine Russo. This is Dominic's sister. She is
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  Speaker 1: the star of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast, trying to
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  Speaker 1: preserve her little brother's legacy. That's what she's left with.
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  Speaker 1: That is what her family is left with, dealing with
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  Speaker 1: this young man's death, needless, senseless death. Christaine, when you
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  Speaker 1: hear her talking, it's got to just push you over
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  Speaker 1: the edge.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it really makes me sick. Honestly, I I just
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  Speaker 7: watching that. I haven't seen that. I try not to
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  Speaker 7: listen or watch many things, but it just makes me
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  Speaker 7: absolutely sick.
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  Speaker 1: What happened when you learned Dominic had been killed?
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  Speaker 7: The second that I learned, or my family learned that
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  Speaker 7: Dominic had been killed, we are, like I say, there's
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  Speaker 7: before domb and after dumb. It's completely shattered. I can't
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  Speaker 7: even put into words how tragic this has been for
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  Speaker 7: our entire family, so much so that it's like I
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  Speaker 7: don't see this ever, just will never get better. There
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  Speaker 7: will be no, you know, anything getting better ever for us.
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  Speaker 1: What happened when you learned your brother had been killed?
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  Speaker 7: I got a phone call from my dad and he
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  Speaker 7: kept calling over and over and I get no reception,
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  Speaker 7: and alls I could hear was him saying Dom's gone.
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  Speaker 7: Dom's gone, but I have a few dums in my family.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't want to think my brother, you know, and
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  Speaker 7: it was we immediately left the island. My brother Mikey's
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  Speaker 7: rear ended somebody trying to get home so we could
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  Speaker 7: all be together, smash somebody's car up from behind, just
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  Speaker 7: completely Ever since then, like it's just tragic.
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  Speaker 1: Christine Russo joining us. This is Dominic's sister. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the moment, it wasn't a split second. It was her
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  Speaker 1: intentionally crashing into a fixed object, killing Dominic. That's what
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  Speaker 1: changed everyone's life forever. How many different people are things?
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  Speaker 1: Can she blind?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it wasn't a split second at all. She actually
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  Speaker 7: if you watch the video, you could tell they're fighting
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  Speaker 7: in the car on the main road. She keeps breaking
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  Speaker 7: her car. You could see the car lights breaking for
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  Speaker 7: no reason. The road was completely it is completely dead,
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  Speaker 7: nobody's on the road. And before the turn that you
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  Speaker 7: don't even have to break on, she's like slamming on
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  Speaker 7: her lights or slamming on her brakes, so you could
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  Speaker 7: see the break lights in the car. And from then
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  Speaker 7: on she just floored it one hundred percent. And it
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  Speaker 7: wasn't a split second. This took a long street. She
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  Speaker 7: floored it with no breaks the entire time into the building.
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  Speaker 1: The two arguing at the time, what is your theory, Christaine?
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  Speaker 1: Why did she do this?
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  Speaker 7: Dominic Hauld They were steady breaking up. Dominique had been
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  Speaker 7: trying to get rid of her and break up with
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  Speaker 7: her for quite some time. He's confided in his best
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  Speaker 7: friends and our closest siblings and things that he was.
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  Speaker 7: He was steady trying to break up with her, and
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  Speaker 7: I just think that she couldn't She couldn't have that,
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  Speaker 7: she couldn't understand that she wasn't willing to let him go.
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  Speaker 1: Joel Wollman explained to me the physical evidence that she
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  Speaker 1: intentionally crashed and killed, not just dominant two people did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there are absolutely no skid marks. Obviously they
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  Speaker 4: did a crash investigation and homicide investigation kind of uh concurrently.
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  Speaker 4: But like I said, there was a slow turn just
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  Speaker 4: prior to this acceleration, so we know that she was
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  Speaker 4: in control of the car at least up to this
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  Speaker 4: point where we're seeing this car turn. There was you know,
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  Speaker 4: there was there was no health emergency. There was never
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  Speaker 4: any evidence of a health emergency. She claimed, and the
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  Speaker 4: family claims that she suffers from something called pot which
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  Speaker 4: affects your blood pressure. There was never any evidence admitted.
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  Speaker 1: Is that her with a big fat blunt hold on,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, Joel, please look at your Can we replay that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that her at the wheel with a big blunt Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So so, Nancy, they you know, they tested her. There
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  Speaker 4: was psilocybin and marijuana in the car. She did test
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  Speaker 4: positive for that blunt, not that specific one, that's a
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  Speaker 4: different time, but she tested positive for marijuana and not
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  Speaker 4: for the psilocybin which are mushrooms, and not for alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, he's she's just absolutely reckless driving
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  Speaker 4: around on prior occasions. And it's sad to say, but
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  Speaker 4: it's not all that surprising. I mean it's really it
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  Speaker 4: makes me indignant, Nancy. I know you get upset about
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  Speaker 4: these things, but to think that then seventeen year old
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  Speaker 4: just totally had no respect for these other two lives
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  Speaker 4: and is able to just do this, it just blows
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  Speaker 4: the mind. What is going on with this generation, with
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  Speaker 4: a society, with social media? What is happening?
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  Speaker 1: Joe will tell me about the victims. Dominic and Davian.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean they were friends. Davian was a
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  Speaker 4: star football player at the high school dom He was
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  Speaker 4: a very studious person, took school us seriously. He was
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  Speaker 4: really into fashion. He had just set up an LLC,
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  Speaker 4: and he literally had his entire life ahead of him.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, dom was twenty years old. I mean that's
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  Speaker 4: you know, you and I Nancy, that's a little kid
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  Speaker 4: in his own mind, a young adult, and he had
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  Speaker 4: everything going as did a Davian. Flat again, I mean
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  Speaker 4: absolutely everything in front of them, completely stolen and ripped
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  Speaker 4: out from them. And you know, I felt Christine's pain. Christine,
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  Speaker 4: I think we'll talk about this. Her father has an
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  Speaker 4: illness and has not been well since this crash. And Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: you know better than anybody about the you know, ripple
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  Speaker 4: effect with victims and their family. And I'm sure, uh
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  Speaker 4: Davian's family, they are just gutted and crushed and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know that they will ever be the same.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to make matters worse, they got to hear.
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  Speaker 8: This, Tendy. It's on the Today Show. Why girl, I'm
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  Speaker 8: telling you the biggest plot twist of the century. Right, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 8: it's not on the TV. It's just online and they're
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  Speaker 8: just read posting a story. But that's okay, that's okay, right,
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  Speaker 8: that's all right, plot twists, right, that's okay. Write your book,
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  Speaker 8: Start writing your book. You hear what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Uh, I need to shrink. Doctor Cheryl
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  Speaker 1: Erp is with us. She is a licensed clinical forensic
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  Speaker 1: psychologist specializing in trauma. You can find her at askdoctor
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl dot com. Did you hear the sulky silence? Wait,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear it one more time? Could you please play
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  Speaker 1: that one more time? These are tape recordings of the defendant,
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  Speaker 1: Shrilla behind bars, whining because the Today Show didn't come
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  Speaker 1: interview her.
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  Speaker 8: Candy. It's on the Today Show? Why, girl, I'm telling
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  Speaker 8: you for the biggest flat twist of the century. Right, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 8: it's not on the TV. It's just online and they're
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  Speaker 8: just read posting a story. But that's okay, that's okay, right,
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  Speaker 8: that's all right, flat twist, Right, that's okay. Write your book?
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  Speaker 8: Aren't writing your book?
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  Speaker 1: You hear what I'm saying, Doctor Cheryl? Help me.
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  Speaker 9: What I am hearing is that this mom is walking
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  Speaker 9: on eggshells with her daughter even while she's confined in prison.
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  Speaker 9: That this young girl is so volatile and so difficult
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  Speaker 9: to deal with, that the mom is trying to engage
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  Speaker 9: and collude with this attention seeking and trying to twist
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  Speaker 9: this into some kind of positive thing. This is a tragic,
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  Speaker 9: awful situation. And I'm not seeing any evidence of pots,
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  Speaker 9: and I don't think pots could cause something like this
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  Speaker 9: to me. This seems a lot more consistent with a
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  Speaker 9: very severe form of borderline personality disorder, where people get
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  Speaker 9: incredibly volatile dysregular related are obsessed with fear of abandonment
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  Speaker 9: and can get really scary and act out in sometimes
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  Speaker 9: in really extreme ways when they think that someone is
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  Speaker 9: going to leave them. And it looks like Don was
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  Speaker 9: trying to break up with her for a long time,
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  Speaker 9: and doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Errett, you're not suggesting that she is getting sulky
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  Speaker 1: about the Today Show? What does she wants to Savannah
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  Speaker 1: Guthrie to come interview her. Is that what she wants?
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  Speaker 1: That's not happening. I don't think that's happening anyway. And
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  Speaker 1: so you're saying this because she feels abandoned.
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  Speaker 9: I think that she had a lethal temper tantrum because
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  Speaker 9: she felt abandoned. I think that this happened because Don
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  Speaker 9: was trying to break.
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  Speaker 1: Up with her. Feels abandoned. She killed Dominic and Davian exactly,
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  Speaker 1: so they abandoned her. She killed them. I'm sorry, Are
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  Speaker 1: you actually saying she had a lethal temper tangent because
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  Speaker 1: she felt abandoned.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I'm saying that because that is a symptom of
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  Speaker 9: an extreme form of borderline personality disorder, where people get
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  Speaker 9: desperate and act out when they think that.
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  Speaker 1: She does not look like she feels abandoned to me,
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  Speaker 1: she looks like she's high on pot and everything is
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  Speaker 1: about me. Me, me, me Me. Now, you said personality disorder,
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  Speaker 1: isn't a narcissistic personality a histrionic personality? Aren't those personality
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  Speaker 1: disorders as well? Wouldn't they fit her?
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  Speaker 9: Those are and people can have traits of narcissism and
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  Speaker 9: the histrionic as well. Absolutely that can exist. She does
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  Speaker 9: seem incredibly preoccupied with herself, and there is a real
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  Speaker 9: lack of empathy and awareness for what she has done
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  Speaker 9: to these young men and their families.
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  Speaker 1: Abandonment my career and objection, Myra Rand Christine Ruy said,
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  Speaker 1: will you help me and help you know? Typically I'm
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  Speaker 1: lock step with doctor Cheryl Eric. I hear what she's saying.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with it. She verbalizes it perfectly. But Srilla
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  Speaker 1: did not kill your brother because she was having feelings
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  Speaker 1: of abandonment.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I really think that. I guess he was
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  Speaker 7: trying to leave her. So I'm not a doctor. But
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  Speaker 7: she couldn't let go. And really, I think it was
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  Speaker 7: because she's so self absorbed. She cared about her image
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  Speaker 7: so much, about how she was gonna look after. She
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  Speaker 7: had absolutely no dumb no job, no school, nothing going
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  Speaker 7: for her. She's just a terrible person. She's the most
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  Speaker 7: terrible person. But I don't know it's I think she's
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  Speaker 7: so self absorbed. Just she couldn't she didn't want people
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  Speaker 7: to think that she was left or like she just
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  Speaker 7: couldn't let him go. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, being angry because your boyfriend is dumping you and
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  Speaker 1: killing him is a lot different from reacting out of
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  Speaker 1: feelings of abandonment. Can I just see the videos of
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  Speaker 1: her again with that big fat bong and that big
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  Speaker 1: fat doobie. I'm not buying it to Doctor Thomas Coin
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  Speaker 1: joining us renow medical Examiner out of Tallahassee, Florida, never
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  Speaker 1: a lack of business at the morgue there. He is
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  Speaker 1: a toxicologist, forensic pathologist, and neuro pathologist. What happened to
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  Speaker 1: the victims? Doctor Coin?
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  Speaker 8: Sure?
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  Speaker 9: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: A classic example of a you know, a high velocity
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  Speaker 11: impact trauma, and so when the vehicle impacted the vehicle
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  Speaker 11: and as we discussed previously, going in proximately one hundred
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  Speaker 11: miles an hour. The rear passenger who was unrestrained, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 11: you know, upon impact and that sudden deceleration, his body
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  Speaker 11: more than likely would have been thrown forward in the vehicle,
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  Speaker 11: impacting not only other passengers but the vehicle itself, also
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  Speaker 11: intrusion of parts of the vehicle into the car and
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  Speaker 11: so and the front passenger as well. I think most
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  Speaker 11: of the impact was to that side of the vehicle,
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  Speaker 11: and so you think about just how much force is
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  Speaker 11: being applied to the head and neck as well as
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  Speaker 11: the body, vital organs that are housed in there, our brain,
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  Speaker 11: our heart, the aorta, and so those structures can tear
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  Speaker 11: or be crushed very easily with such forces, especially when
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  Speaker 11: you're going one hundred miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, they would have known what was about to happen,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Coin, because they could see what she was doing
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  Speaker 1: before their death. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 11: I mean there's nothing to suggest they were unconscious or
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  Speaker 11: incapacitated prior to impact, and so up until the point
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  Speaker 11: of impact, they would have certainly been aware of what
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  Speaker 11: was about to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Before I go to veteran trial lawyer Derreck Smith. I
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  Speaker 1: want him to have all the evidence, including this secretly
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  Speaker 1: recorded phone call.
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  Speaker 12: Wait, it's all over the world now that today shows
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  Speaker 12: like national News.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, I'm going to tell you one more thing. What
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  Speaker 8: it was published in England? What yeh?
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  Speaker 12: World News?
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  Speaker 8: I think the Daily Mail just publishes it in all
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  Speaker 8: their publications. But yeah, the UK. If I'm a Daily
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  Speaker 8: Mail in the UK.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe Kim Kardashian will reach out herself.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. I'm hoping. I'm hoping we're getting there.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to do this anyway, so this is.
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  Speaker 10: Great and they could just reach out to us.
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  Speaker 9: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: Craziness, baby girl, Christine and Resai. Why are they laughing.
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  Speaker 7: You? Somebody tell me that please. That's It's the most twisted,
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  Speaker 7: most evil laugh to me that I've ever heard in
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  Speaker 7: my life. I don't understand why they think this is
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  Speaker 7: funny or why her being an evil murderer for the
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  Speaker 7: entire world to see, how that's funny to them? I
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  Speaker 7: really truly believe, and that's why I'm starting this. The
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  Speaker 7: doms and Davion's law is that they care so much
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  Speaker 7: about her becoming famous and popular that that is what
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  Speaker 7: they're set out to do, and that's what they've always
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  Speaker 7: cared about. It's always been about becoming Instagram famous, TikTok
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  Speaker 7: famous for years, even after she killed my brother and Davion,
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  Speaker 7: she laid in the hospital, but hours after killing two people,
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  Speaker 7: hours after filming herself making tiktoks and trying her and
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  Speaker 7: her mother trying to get modeling gigs on Instagram within
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  Speaker 7: hours after killing people. That's all they care about is fame.
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  Speaker 7: People talking about them. They think that they're going to
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  Speaker 7: get the attention of Kim Kardashian and somehow they're going
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  Speaker 7: to get rich and get out. I think they're completely delusional.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to special guest joining us in addition to
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  Speaker 1: Dom's sister, Christine Rousseau, Cheyenne Topping is with us, and
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  Speaker 1: this is Shrilla's prison girlfriend for nearly a year. Cheyenne,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of what you are seeing and
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  Speaker 1: hearing tonight?
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  Speaker 13: I think it's really crazy about like how big of
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  Speaker 13: this all stuff was, especially coming from the inside and
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  Speaker 13: seeing it when I got out.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me how Sharrilla spoke of the murder victims.
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  Speaker 13: So whenever Mackenzie would speak of Dom or Davian, she
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  Speaker 13: did speak like really iley of them, which is expected
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  Speaker 13: of someone going through an appeal trying to get out
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  Speaker 13: for murder. So I didn't really like tune into it
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  Speaker 13: to it a lot because I knew it just wasn't genuine.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that Shrilla constantly walked the track to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: keep up her figure?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, that is true. She also had a race trainer
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  Speaker 13: that I have no idea where she got it from.
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  Speaker 13: She must have bought it from one of the pregnant
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  Speaker 13: girls that came in. She would wear that every day
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: in prison too.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: What is that like a race trainer?
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: You know? You could wrap it around your uh to
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: not to so you're abb them in area, pull it
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: tight so it keeps you your hips like more in Okay?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Good to know. So beside working on her figure behind bars,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: is that so she'll look good when she gets out
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and becomes a star.
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: That's what she's planning on. What she was telling me
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: in there, She said she was so glad that in
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: the crash her face did not get messed up because
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: she was going to get a model. She had a
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: modeling gig waiting on her when she got out. That
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: she was gonna then, wasn't eating the prison food because
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: she didn't want it to mess up her figure as well,
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: and as you know, the waist trainer and everything. So yes,
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: that's what she's planning on.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, let me understand. This guy's joining me
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: as a special guest.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: This is.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Shrilla Mackenzie, Shrilla's girlfriend behind bars nearly a year. What
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: modeling gigs did she think she was getting when she
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: gets out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: I guess someone had commented on her Instagram post and
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: so they were interested in working with her, which was
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: was showed in the documentary. But at the time I
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: did not know that because I was still in prison
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: and it hadn't dropped yet, but she had mentioned to
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: me that she was getting one.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand. Did she really believe Kim Kardashian
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: was going to come defend her?
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, she one hundred percent believed that Kim Kardashian's going
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: to come and save her, and she was gonna overturn her,
• 23:04
  Speaker 13: as she said, wrongly convicted.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Case, wrongly convicted. Okay, here she is going on behind
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: bars about Kim Kardashian.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: My mom is like, well, maybe Kim Kardashian scene, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: I was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, maybe Kim will now that it's like
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: all of it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: I was like, I mean, that's the only thing that
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: might be good about the whole media thing. Maybe Kim
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: will see it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: You have to figure out because I'm real nervous and
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: I want Kim Kardashian to be my lawyer.
• 23:29
  Speaker 14: She's a lawyer.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: She gets innocent people out of jail.
• 23:35
  Speaker 12: Kim work hard, she is miss Kimberly. We're gonna have her,
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: get you out.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, don't do it. Don't do it. Okay. Back
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to Cheyenne Topping. So she thinks she's going to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a model. She wears a contraption to help her figure.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: She walks the track all the time. Does she ever
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: reach out to the victims' families to make amends or
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: apologize for what happened.
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: Not that I know of. When she was telling me
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: and there when I was with her, she told me
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: actually that they were all cool and that they were
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: coming to court for her to defend her. So I
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: was like, because that's one reason why I think, Okay,
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: maybe this was an accident. When I was in there
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: with her, because she told me the family was siding
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: with her.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, how likely is that, Christine Russo, that you are
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: going to try and help her get out of jail.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: There's not a chance in this lifetime, or next or
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: the following. There's not even a slight chance that not
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: one single person in our family or a distant relative
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: would ever do such a thing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yanne Topping, you mentioned that she's absolutely certain she's getting
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a modeling gig when she gets out right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, she truly believes that she is.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Guys, she is extremely interested in the so called hot felon. Listen.
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: I just know I have this feeling that something's gonna happen,
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: like with all these people reaching out like it makes
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: me feel like, Look, you remember that one guy who
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: got arrested for murder and he became like a model,
• 25:17
  Speaker 12: Like I watched a movie with him and you did. Yes,
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: it's called the Secret Society.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: It's a good as he was arrested for murder, he
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: probably didn't even do anything.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Straight out to a veteran trial lawyer, Derek Smith has
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: tried a lot of cases and you can find him
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: at d W Smith Legal dot com. Derek, Okay, so
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: let's just pretend you get a new trial let's just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: pretend which is not gonna happen. Let's just pretend all
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of this is gonna come into evidence, all of these
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: phone calls, because the law is the jury can consider
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: what happened before, during, and after the event.
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, they're gonna try, I mean, as far
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: as the prospect goes to get this in evidence. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 15: unfortunately for them, she does have fantastic legal representation. Her
• 26:06
  Speaker 15: case is in my home jurisdiction here in Cleveland. I've
• 26:08
  Speaker 15: been following it closely since it happened. So they'll do
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: their best to try to get all that stuff in.
• 26:13
  Speaker 15: But I have a feeling that if that does, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: get remanded for a new trial, that they're not going
• 26:17
  Speaker 15: to be able to because it's overly prejudicial. A lot
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: of speculation, a lot of back and forth with mom
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: and things like that, and her outstanding legal defense will
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: make sure that that does not get in.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Put them up, Derek Smith. When you say it's a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: lot of speculation, it's not speculation as to whether it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is her on the phone and the mom on the phone,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: So that is not a ground for suppression of these tapes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: They are speculating about when Savannah Guthrie is going to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: come interview her for the Today Show. That's the only
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: speculation going on around here. But wait a minute, hold on,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: listen to this, Derek, and you might as well start
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: quickly coming up with something to say.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: Please don't forget to change my Instagram biotry again with
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: that one Instagram account and change my name to that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: Ain't Hayton.
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: You're doing something wrong.
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: You're doing something wrong, Kendy. That may that may look
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: bad right now. Okay, I'll put free Kendy on there,
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: but that's gonna look bad.
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: Hashtag innocent there, just doing all the hashtags and delete
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: my bio.
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: Just do the hashtags in my bio, Derek.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The mom is saying that might look a tiny bit
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: bad right now. Really, yeah, it looks bad. It is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: prejudicial because everything she said is like a it's like
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a treasure trove of information for the prosecution to show
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: her frame of mind.
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: Oh no, absolutely, there's got to be a men's rea,
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: you know, to make these charges stick. You know, the intent.
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: But in her mind, she's innocent, Nancy. And this case
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: is still on appeal, so you know, if this case
• 27:51
  Speaker 15: does get remanded back, you got an innocent, got an
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: innocent girl in jail that now gets another day in court.
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: And unfortunately, I don't think they're gonna be able to
• 27:58
  Speaker 15: get some of these calls, any of these things admitted
• 28:02
  Speaker 15: into evidence, because it really doesn't have to do with
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: the underlying intent for the underlying offense that she was
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: convicted of, you know, by a judge. In this case,
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: it was tried to the bench. It was not to
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: a jury.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate that. And somehow, Derek, you've managed
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to spin all that hay into gold yet again. Kat
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Crowder joining me right now, inmate who did time with Shirrilla, Kat,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What was she like
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: behind bars?
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: McKenzie, Shirrilla was completely different than the girl that was
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: portrayed in the documentary. She was very similar to these
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: videos that we're seeing here, very much, you know, makeup
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: done every single day, had her clothes altered to fit
• 28:50
  Speaker 14: her tight, hair done, gems in her hair, very girly
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: and attention seeking. Look at me, look at me, Look
• 28:57
  Speaker 14: at me.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Okay. I want you to listen to her making another
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: demand to her mother, demanding she wants her iPad. That's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the last thing that Jill wants is to hear somebody's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: mommy whining that their killer daughter doesn't have an iPad.
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: Listen, I really want my iPad though here.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: They have any idea when they're going to bring it
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: to you? Do you have any idea?
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: I'm about to ask can you call and ask please? Please?
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: Because that's because blessed than I called about your thing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: They were like, if I do that and that's special treatment,
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: she you know you'll get it way you get it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Why has anybody on this panel ever heard of pig Latin?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: My name is auntcy Nay Race Gray. Okay, you a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on the end of every word. Okay, These two spoke
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: in code I E. Pig Latin.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: Listen hear we do the eating easier fuser?
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: Oh god, oh my god?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Is right?
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: Yes, it's either we don't need to shed like she
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: didn't even need it far readrate, which one we don't
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: be easily get? Either mean them.
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: Great expeak like that, you know, like we don't forget.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: Don't forget? You said, Can I say it out? Can
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: I say it return? Just to make sure I can
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: talk right, you're saying rape, you know, don't forget? That
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: might not be what really happened. She's being accused of that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: Eve either be the leading Peter right, because those people
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: say that all the time to get other people in trouble.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: Will you see that's happening to you?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: What is old Cat Crowder joining me in May? Who
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: did time with Shririlla? What is she doing?
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: I mean, I have absolutely no idea. You know, there's
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: been a lot of speculation about what that language is,
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: from Gypsy to pig Latin, all these things. I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: it's just mind blowing how fast and quickly they understand
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: what each other are saying, because I can't even begin
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: to dissect that. When I was incarcerated with her, I
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: personally never heard her speak in that language.
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: Black girl like crazy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: Ooh, remember, don't drive because that's murder if you drive
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: with that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, for real, right, that's so wrong?
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: And do you put that on your license?
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: I should really update my We have one minute left.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: There's people with epilepsy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: Good.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: You do not have to put that on your license
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: that you have epilepsy like litteral epilepsy.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Joel Waldman is
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: joining US co hostar Surviving the survivor. She's now trying
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to claim that she blacked out and that's what happened.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Then how did she keep her foot on the gas?
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I mean this family. The more I'm listening to all
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: these clips you're playing, Nancy, and I've heard bits and
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: pieces of a lot of them, they're simply pathological. You know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I'll give you a diagnosis. And I'm not a lawyer.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not a psychologist, but my dad may rest in
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: peace with a psychiatrist. He'd call her a spoiled brat.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And it's just to a level that I have never
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: ever seen before. You know, after the fact, they're now
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: claiming she had this respiratory illness, pots that she had
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: had these blackouts. But look this went and Nancy, this
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: is your wheelhouse. This went to a trial. They chose
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: a bench trial, meaning a judge and not a jury
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: of her peers, and she was convicted on twelve pounds.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I had someone on my show tweet at me saying, oh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: you're only showing one side of the story. I don't
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: see a second side of this story. Here would I
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: interview the Shirrillas. Yeah, but I think they raised a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: bad seed. I don't know if it was you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: nature or nurture, but there is something massively wrong with
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: this family all around.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of the conversations we've gotten
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: on tape.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: People are very into like people that are in jail,
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: especially a few people that they think we're cute. Would
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: just be careful and I'm cute a and.
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: I'm not looking for any relationships.
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: Got some really orange.
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: I'm like the prettiest person here, Like I feel that
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: I even saying that, But I.
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: Wonder if you like it's community shower on the other
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: levels too.
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: Oh no, I don't care, like I'm scared.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: Scared to shower, right yeah, yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Kat Crowder joining us inmate who did
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: time with Mackenzie Shirilla, I'm like the prettiest one here.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid to get in a shower. Really was everybody
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that focused on her, you.
• 34:12
  Speaker 14: Know, in the grand retrospect, everybody that we were in
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: curs here with. When you get into general population or
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: if you've been there, you knew what she was in
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: there for. It is a high profile case and prison
• 34:26
  Speaker 14: is a gossip mill, so you did find out quickly.
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: And I do think that she thrived off of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: fact that everyone knew that this is Mackenzie Shrilla. Now
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: where the inmates phased by her?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: No?
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: I mean there's hundreds of people. We've got the microwave mom.
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: We got all the people in there that are there
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: for high profile cases that have been on the news,
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: that you know are there, but they don't necessarily carry
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: themselves in the same way that Mackenzie did. It was
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: almost as if she wanted to be a socialite of prison,
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: which is just wild.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Is this your recollection of her that it's all about
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: her even behind bars? Forget the victims, It's about her
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: getting on the Today Show, It's about her Instagram account,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: It's about her being the quote cutest one behind bars?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Was that your experience with her?
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: Cat Crowder, I'm one hundred percent, you know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: While I was in there and I kind of proclaimed
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: myself as a very girly girl, I could never get
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: the energy to wake up at six o'clock in the
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: morning and put on a full face of makeup and
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: do my hair, because one, I'm sitting in prison. In two,
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: who am I trying to look good for? These This
• 35:39
  Speaker 14: is not a club or a school dance or something
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: of the sorts, so it gave off, you know, like
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: I want this attention. I think I'm holier than now.
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: I'm the Mackenzie shrilla. And she walked the yard every
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: single day all day long. She went to the gym,
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: she went line dancing, that she went to all the classes,
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: and it was almost as if she was treating it
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: like a popularity contest.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: You know, that personality it's all about me, is not
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: going to help anything at a retrial. There is no
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: way this woman could ever get on the stand Derek Smith.
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: Oh no, she again. As you know, she has a
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: right not to take the stand, and she didn't the
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: first time. So I don't anticipate if this does get
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: remanded for another one, for anything to change in that regard.
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: But it is her constitutional right if she wants to
• 36:34
  Speaker 15: get up there and speak her mind, speak her peace
• 36:36
  Speaker 15: about you know, what she thinks were the events leading
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: up to this tragic event. She has every right to
• 36:42
  Speaker 15: do that. But I'm pretty sure her excellent legal team
• 36:45
  Speaker 15: we'll talk some sense in her about that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I love what you just said, Derek Smith. She can
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: get on the stand and say what she thinks happen
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in her own mind, which is not what happened at all. Okay,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: hold on, when we wonder why someone behaves this way
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: where everything is about them, have you ever heard the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: phrase the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: I hope I'm gonna comes back and place everybody that's
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: against you and so hard that they all disappear. That's
• 37:17
  Speaker 16: all I said. And if I had a magic wand
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: if I had a magic wand I wouldn't go back
• 37:21
  Speaker 16: and help Beatian first, I'd make everybody else together, I
• 37:24
  Speaker 16: cut my fingers and everybody would disappear. That's that's what
• 37:28
  Speaker 16: I would doings That's how that's how angry I am.
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: They they screwed you so bad.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Doctor ryl Eric joining us. They're feeding the monster. Newbody
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: has ever said what you did was wrong. You're going
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: to jail for this, and when you get out, hopefully
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you can start over. Well, they're feeding her this line
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that it's she's the one that's the victim.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: You are so right, and right now my heart is
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: breaking for Christine listening to this right now. They are
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: feeding the monster. This is an extraordinarily abusive person. This
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: was a violent person. And you know what, a lot
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: of the time, most of the time. This is easier
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: to see when it's the guy who is the abuser
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: and he is controlling and threatening to break things and
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: threatening to violence and all of this if the girl leaves.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: You have seen a million cases where it's if I
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: can't have you, no one can. This family is completely
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: wrapped up in themselves, but it's like nobody else matters that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is also.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: Narcissism, but this is violence, power and control, intimate partner violence.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: But the abuser was her, and when she was threatened
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: with being rejected and him leaving, which as we know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: is the most dangerous time in a domestic violence relationship,
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: that's when the partner is trying to leave is most
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: likely to be killed. I gotta double down, Nancy. This
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: is that kind of situation where she acted out in
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: a way. Maybe she intended also to go with them,
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: but she pulled out all the stops literally, and there's
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: some evidence that the boys may have tried to pull
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: the car out of gear and do something to stop this.
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: But this was an absolutely horrific acting outrage. And now
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: that the family is trying to make it seem like
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: she's the victim, maybe they can parlay this into some
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: kind of fame, and it's it's it's appalling.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: To Christine Russo, Dominic's sister star off the Big Sister
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Unhinged podcast, creating and curating her brother's legacy. I'd like
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to hear your response to everything we've just said guests tonight.
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  Speaker 7: Honestly, I'm really I'm happy that you guys in the
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  Speaker 7: world are seeing through her and that I don't have
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  Speaker 7: to sit here and my family doesn't have to sit
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  Speaker 7: here and suffer ourselves like we have been for four years.
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  Speaker 7: Because this the movie just came out. We've been dealing
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  Speaker 7: with this for quite some time now. Since the second
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  Speaker 7: she was arrested. If you know, it was immediate, immediate,
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  Speaker 7: just denial, no remorse, no accountability, victim shaming, blaming you know,
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  Speaker 7: my parents, these shrillas have not stopped. Uh, They've been
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  Speaker 7: doing interviews this week where they're still blaming my brother
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  Speaker 7: for his death or blaming my parents. So I'm actually
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  Speaker 7: kind of I'm glad to see that the world sees
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  Speaker 7: through her and who she truly is. I really hope
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  Speaker 7: with what you know this coming out. I've tried to
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  Speaker 7: make something anything positive out of this tragedy by doing
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  Speaker 7: the domind Davion's Law or the foundation that I started
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  Speaker 7: for him, just trying to make something anything positive to
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  Speaker 7: turn this into. But I'm glad that the world sees
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  Speaker 7: her now for who she is.
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  Speaker 1: So Christine, I'm glad you brought up dom and Davian's
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  Speaker 1: law because many states have son of Sam law, not
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  Speaker 1: all of them, which precludes you from profiting off of
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  Speaker 1: your crime. Not all states have that. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if it's half the country, but social media has
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  Speaker 1: far outpaced what Son of Sam laws protect what they do,
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  Speaker 1: and the law must be updated to address social media
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  Speaker 1: fame or that type of enrichment. What is dom and
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  Speaker 1: Davian's law.
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  Speaker 7: It's just the modernization of the Son of Sam. So,
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  Speaker 7: like you said, it was written. I think they came
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  Speaker 7: up with that in the seventy where just cover journals, movies,
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  Speaker 7: and like news deals. Now with the digital era, you
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  Speaker 7: have social media Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, there's go fund me
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  Speaker 7: set out. She's been getting thousands of dollars in donations.
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  Speaker 7: By the way, they've set up different accounts. This will
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  Speaker 7: help protect different loopholes so that victims don't have to
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  Speaker 7: watch somebody who killed their loved ones, get attention, fame fortune. Basically,
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  Speaker 7: I'm trying to prevent her from becoming gypsy ros. The
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  Speaker 7: next gypsy rows and it is a it's just a
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  Speaker 7: modernization of that and to stop her or her family
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  Speaker 7: from finding loopholes and having her benefit off of my
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  Speaker 7: brothers and Davion's death.
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  Speaker 1: Dom and Davian's Law. Every state could benefit from that.
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  Speaker 1: We remember American hero Corporal Very Fast, Arlington County, p Date, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: He passed way from cancer after nine eleven. He endured
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  Speaker 1: September eleven after thirty seven years on the force. He
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  Speaker 1: loves behind his wife Karen and his daughter Natalie. American
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  Speaker 1: hero Corporal Barry Faust. Thank you to our guest, but
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  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us. Nancy Gray signing
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  Speaker 1: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night, and
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  Speaker 1: until then, good night, friend,