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#175 Scotty James on Redefining Success as a Dad and Pro Athlete · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ashton, Matthew, A little question for you, my friend, what
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  Speaker 1: is a super flex for a dad?
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  Speaker 2: Reverse parking one handed?
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  Speaker 1: There's no other way to park. It's so I do
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  Speaker 1: what ever term.
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  Speaker 2: But using mirrors and no cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Oh there is. That's a very good point. But I
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  Speaker 1: was going to say, knowing that, when your kid is
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  Speaker 1: asked the question what does your daddy do for a living,
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  Speaker 1: the answer is Olympic metal pro snowboarder.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big flex. I mean, I can't keep you
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  Speaker 2: up with that.
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  Speaker 1: My kids just say he works on his laptop, He's
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  Speaker 1: on his phone the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I know mine's like he wears this silly town on
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  Speaker 2: his head. But I understand what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm entertaining the masses.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, Matt, I don't think our kids are ever ever
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  Speaker 3: going to be able to say.
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  Speaker 1: No, hang on, something is cool a second. I'm thirty eight,
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  Speaker 1: ash there is still time for me to be a
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  Speaker 1: world champion. It's something you.
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  Speaker 3: Were pretty good on the mountain, I will say, and
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  Speaker 3: just a fi we recorded this on a mountain thanks
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  Speaker 3: to Red Bull.
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  Speaker 1: Did they set up this delicious little interview with Scotty James,
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  Speaker 1: who his dad to one year old Leo and husband
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  Speaker 1: to his lovely Canadian wife, Heir Chloe.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Scotty James is training for the next Winter Olympics
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  Speaker 3: at the start of next year, but this will also
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  Speaker 3: be the first time he's juggling it alongside his life
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  Speaker 3: as a dad.
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  Speaker 1: There's certainly new territory for someone whose whole life has
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  Speaker 1: revolved around being a professional athlete for almost this is
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  Speaker 1: crazy twenty years. Scotty does bring up.
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  Speaker 3: How much of a shock to the system it was
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  Speaker 3: when he realized the shift in priorities.
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  Speaker 1: Also the other things that come with being a daddy.
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  Speaker 1: He talks about some of the more messier situations that
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  Speaker 1: he finds himself in. As they say in the snowboarding world,
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  Speaker 1: I heard a lot of you. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Three Doting Dads. I'm Maddie, Jay, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Ash, and I'm doting dad with three Scotty. Oh lowed it.
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  Speaker 1: Very good, very good, Thank you. This is a podcast
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  Speaker 1: all about parenting. It is the good, it is the
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  Speaker 1: bad and the relatable. Now Scotty, legally, Ash and myself,
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  Speaker 1: we're not allowed to give any advice for yourself. Totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: Your void from those restrictions.
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  Speaker 2: Loophole.
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  Speaker 3: We found a loophole in the contracts. The legal legal
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  Speaker 3: team said, guests, can you say whatever they like, but
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  Speaker 3: we can't.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is we won't talk about before the
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  Speaker 2: show started. When you give me all the advice, yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you for that. I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, right, we're locked in a basement right now? Are
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  Speaker 1: we in a basement? We were? We normally Scotty record
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  Speaker 1: at my house, but we're down at Perisher at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks meant to be in one room. We got
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  Speaker 1: pulled out of that room. We got them put into
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  Speaker 1: the luggage room where we are now. We set up
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  Speaker 1: in about three minutes.
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  Speaker 3: And they cleared all the bags out so quick like
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  Speaker 3: they were Olympic athletes.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I feel quite comfortable in here because
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  Speaker 2: it's very similar to hotel room that I would have
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  Speaker 2: stayed at with my mum at some point in my
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  Speaker 2: journey very started going to Australian ski resorts, so very scary.
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  Speaker 1: They were like, you've got thirty minutes, and we're like,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry, as quick as we can. And then you
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  Speaker 1: sat down and said, boys, let's drag this out for
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  Speaker 1: as long as we can.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to here for the listeners at home at Perish,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of snow. It's also very windy and
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  Speaker 3: very cold, so in here is delightful, real say it,
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  Speaker 3: will say so. We usually started the scotty with do
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  Speaker 3: you remember as a child the worst trouble you ever got?
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  Speaker 2: In? Hmm, that's probably a question for my mum. I was,
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  Speaker 2: my mum would say constantly. I was presenting a lot
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  Speaker 2: of challenges to my parents all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that with a very big smirk on.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what believe here? Probably the one story
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  Speaker 2: my mom loves telling the most was to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: I look at it and I go, wow, that was
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  Speaker 2: honestly pretty intelligent. I got down to the local milk
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  Speaker 2: bar when I was in kindergarten. But I had to
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  Speaker 2: get out to go down the local milk bar. My
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  Speaker 2: mum was a basketball coach at our local team, and
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  Speaker 2: my kindergarten was across the street from the basketball stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and the milk bar was another five hundred meters past
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  Speaker 2: the basketball stadium, so it was territory I was very
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  Speaker 2: familiar with. I was at the basketball stadium every day,
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  Speaker 2: I'd go from kinder the basketball stamum and watch my
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  Speaker 2: mum coach these basketball teams. So in terms of safety
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  Speaker 2: and knowing where I was going, it was fine. But
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  Speaker 2: the probably the bad part was I remember having my
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  Speaker 2: friend who's still a good friend of mine to this
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  Speaker 2: day because of this. I had him get on his
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  Speaker 2: all fours and you know, obviously naturally walking into Kindred
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  Speaker 2: day so you understand how to pop the gate, and
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  Speaker 2: got up, climbed on his back, popped the gate opened up,
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  Speaker 2: just headed on down to the milk bar.
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  Speaker 1: How far was it?
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  Speaker 2: Like close to a little bit shy of a kilometer,
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  Speaker 2: that's still a long way. Yeah, decent, you've been like
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  Speaker 2: five or six years old here right, yeah exactly, So
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  Speaker 2: then you can imagine now whatever it was recess or
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  Speaker 2: what has finished, and they do a headcount and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not there, So now it's this.
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  Speaker 1: Did you take your mate with you?
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  Speaker 2: So I get down to the milk bar and sure
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  Speaker 2: enough they see me every day, so they're like, hang on,
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  Speaker 2: check the time. This doesn't seem right. And then the
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  Speaker 2: people in the milk bar rang around and were like,
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  Speaker 2: we have him, and my mom at this point is
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  Speaker 2: losing it because I've gotten out of kinder and you know,
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  Speaker 2: end up being this whole thing. So that was probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the worst things. You're essentially an escaped convict.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and your mom had to ring it or they
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  Speaker 3: had to ring around and find because I can imagine
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  Speaker 3: the panic on your mom's voice then like where is he?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you what? Do you remember the punishment or
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  Speaker 2: was it I remember? I don't think I was punished
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  Speaker 2: for it. I think my dad's a problem exactly. I
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  Speaker 2: knew there was a reason. I think my mum probably
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  Speaker 2: just went terminator on the kindergarten, to be honest, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that I even't got out, which is fair enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's I think that's fine nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: Or kindy teacher must have been like, how the fuck
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  Speaker 1: did he get out?
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  Speaker 2: You're right there.
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  Speaker 3: You go to the same gate every day like my kids.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised they're too dope to figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I reckon nowadays it's probably Yeah, it's probably
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  Speaker 2: higher than.
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  Speaker 1: Changed the height off the back of that.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I think there's a double gate situation, so I
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  Speaker 2: think there's two gates get into kindergarten these days. This
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  Speaker 2: is a podcast about gates.
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  Speaker 1: We have an app, so you swipe on your phone
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  Speaker 1: on the app to get in the technology. You go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like Fort Knox. My daycare had him over. I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, like when you were starting to compete internationally.
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  Speaker 1: It was from the age of fourteen fifteen, Like, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a little bit cheeky being away from your family
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  Speaker 1: and being with other adults, it could have made you
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  Speaker 1: grow up really fast and become like more mature, or
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  Speaker 1: it could have made you even more cheek here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which one was it? For you? To be honest?
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  Speaker 2: I was so at first I went away with my
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  Speaker 2: mum to the North Northern Hemisphere when we decided I
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  Speaker 2: would pursue snowboarding as a profession when I was probably eleven,
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  Speaker 2: because you need to be quite young, even maybe even ten.
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  Speaker 1: So eleven's really young. Yeah, Like, what were the points
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  Speaker 1: that you were ticking off where everyone was going, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's do this because it's a big move.
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  Speaker 2: Backflip yeah backfleet was in there for sure. No way,
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  Speaker 2: it's not really a pathway either, Like it's also not
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  Speaker 2: that accessible. So it was huge respect to my parents
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  Speaker 2: to have the courage to let me pursue it, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, There was definitely not a moment in time
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  Speaker 2: where we were like this is this is a guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: It's always you know, it was never a sure thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've always had like pretty good air awareness. I did
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  Speaker 2: a bit of trampolining when I was a kid, and
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  Speaker 2: then there was probably that one that first season I
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  Speaker 2: went over to the US, and that was a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a moment where I was like, after this, we'll
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  Speaker 2: continue or not, because if you can beat you know,
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  Speaker 2: the US kids and Europeans, then you know, we probably
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  Speaker 2: should pursue it. It was such a huge move when
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  Speaker 2: I was so young. I think you grow up very quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm still ten or eleven years old, but
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  Speaker 2: once I hit my teenage years, you know, start traveling
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  Speaker 2: away from your parents. So yeah, I always stayed cheeky.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I also, although I was young, I
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  Speaker 2: respected what I was doing, I guess, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily take the piss all the time. So I know
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  Speaker 2: it's a massive thing for my parents to do financially,
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  Speaker 2: but also from a commitment perspective, what.
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  Speaker 1: Are the other athletes, like, do they welcome you with
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  Speaker 1: open arms? There's a little fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Grommet, not as much now like the stuff I dealt
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  Speaker 2: with when I was a grommet. Now, I mean there's
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  Speaker 2: there's an HR department now. Yeah, in your head, you know,
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  Speaker 2: being wrapped in toilet paper and like getting duct taped
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  Speaker 2: to the beds, funny stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you look at the young kids now and be like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know how good you've got it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I sound a little bit like jaded, like an
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  Speaker 2: old man. Nah, for sure. I mean nowadays there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more cushion around generally everything, So you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was all parf of the course, and it was fun,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's fun to think about the memories now. I
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  Speaker 2: remember going to New Zealand. I'm on my own. It
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  Speaker 2: would have been twelve or thirteen. I was with my
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  Speaker 2: coach and his sister, Tora Bright, who's a you know,
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  Speaker 2: very successful female snowboarder from Australia as well. I was
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  Speaker 2: traveling with those two and it was almost like Harry Potter.
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  Speaker 2: I was like staying in the house, but my bedroom
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  Speaker 2: was under the stairs, so when they went to wait
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  Speaker 2: out in the morning, they'd like, just stairs.
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  Speaker 3: It must be hard to find your person, right, and
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  Speaker 3: you've you're married, now you've got kids, obviously. Do you
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  Speaker 3: remember the first time you met?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I remember it very well, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're right, it was I think, oh god, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think obviously traveling so much and her family being
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  Speaker 2: in sport as well, she and you know her lifestyle,
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  Speaker 2: she travels a lot, so she naturally just understood. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think if I was to you know, I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in moren Dight, for us to date the girl
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  Speaker 2: next door, it just doesn't quite compute, which I fully understand.
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  Speaker 2: So naturally she understood it really well. You know that said,
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  Speaker 2: it still has its challenging It challenges at at moments.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we met at a restaurant called Motel Morris
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  Speaker 2: in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: What did you order?
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  Speaker 2: I remember?
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  Speaker 1: Not important.
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  Speaker 2: I remember a few bottles of red wine being consumed.
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  Speaker 2: But we had a great time and here we are
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  Speaker 2: kid married. Was it instant? Like pretty instant. I actually
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  Speaker 2: met her brother first, and then he loves snowboarding. That's
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  Speaker 2: how we connected.
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  Speaker 1: That's perfect. Yeah, if the woman you're chasing has a
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  Speaker 1: brother who's into what you do, yea the dream.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It's kind of like you get one
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  Speaker 2: foot in the door.
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  Speaker 1: One question that we always get. It's like a most
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  Speaker 1: asked question from people who don't have kids is when's
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  Speaker 1: the right time? For me? It was a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an accident, a happy accident with a kid. Surprise surprise
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  Speaker 1: accidents for ye thank you, you got my back. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, mat, don't talk about kids. Thank god you're here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: How did that conversation involved with Chloe about having kids
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  Speaker 1: and starting a family?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to be honest, we also asked ourselves the
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  Speaker 2: same question. It's funny you kind of just continue to
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  Speaker 2: ask it because you have one and you go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when do we want to have another one?
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  Speaker 2: When are you ready? And I think the best answer
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  Speaker 2: that question is you just never are. I think you'll
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  Speaker 2: always find a reason not to have kids. And especially
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  Speaker 2: for us, we're like, oh, you know what about traveling?
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  Speaker 2: What that's going to be like? You know, how's it
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  Speaker 2: going to affect your career? Are you going to become?
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  Speaker 2: For me, my biggest fear was like, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I've sounds a bit grim, but like I've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot more to go home too now because I'm a
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  Speaker 2: dangerous sport and that was something that I was very
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  Speaker 2: timid about having kids because you need to be able
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  Speaker 2: to just kind of not you know, factor that in.
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  Speaker 2: But when so we had a lot of different things
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  Speaker 2: like that, but we got married, we kind of thought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we'll see, give it a little bit of time,
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  Speaker 2: and then we kind of where we made the decision.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest is I said to Chloe. I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we would be so lucky to also have
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  Speaker 2: kids because I know so many friends of mine that
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  Speaker 2: have tried to have kids forever, and I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: if we can't have kids, and what if we're just
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  Speaker 2: thinking that we're going to have this fairy tale, which
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  Speaker 2: we did in the end, which is amazing, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just try and then we'll have a kid. It's
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  Speaker 2: like it might not be that easy. We might have
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  Speaker 2: a five year path ahead of us. Saw never, so
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  Speaker 2: when we kind of talked about that, it puts a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things in perspective and we'll like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: let's not try, but just see what I continue with
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  Speaker 2: life and see what happens. It's meant to be. It's
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  Speaker 2: meant to be. And sure enough, like bang, we got
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  Speaker 2: she got pregnant, which was amazing and I'm a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a spiritual person in that sense. I was like
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  Speaker 2: it was meant to be, And yeah, it changes, it
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  Speaker 2: changes your why. You know you why?
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  Speaker 3: And like I know when you were saying, like, now
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  Speaker 3: that you're an extreme athlete and you put the word
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  Speaker 3: extreme in front of it, there's the possibility of serious
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  Speaker 3: injury and or death, not to make it morbid, but like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine, like, you know, my.
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  Speaker 2: Thought surrounded by wooden Yes, my thought changed. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not even an extreme athlete.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine what that thought is when you're standing
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  Speaker 3: at the top of a run and you're like, what's
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  Speaker 3: gonna happen if I.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I guess the success is in the process,
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  Speaker 2: Like if I prepare really well and I train well,
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  Speaker 2: and I definitely don't stand there and think that, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't, to be honest, I don't think about anything
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  Speaker 2: that other than what I'm doing. And I'm very present
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  Speaker 2: and I know that's where I'm safest. And I realized
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  Speaker 2: that very quickly. Even when he was born.
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  Speaker 1: Childbirth is a pretty wild experience and I went into
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  Speaker 1: it pretty naive. I didn't read any books or.
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  Speaker 3: I did a class. Yeah, did you yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: like too Saturdays. I pretty much watched the WSL both times.
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  Speaker 2: The whole time.
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  Speaker 1: We'll letit that out of the podcast. No there, How
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  Speaker 1: was it for yourself because you were training when Chloe
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  Speaker 1: went into labor? Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: I was in my preseason getting ready for the season.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty well away right up until two weeks
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  Speaker 2: before Leo was born. On reflection, it was because being
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  Speaker 2: in sport, you gotta be very selfish like I and
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  Speaker 2: I would say this to Chloe, is like ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: point nine percent at a time, you're always thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what you have to do to be the
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  Speaker 2: best or if you want to be competitive. That's how
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  Speaker 2: you have to think and operate. And she respects that.
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  Speaker 2: So when you have a family, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: it's still very much the focus. But naturally, just because
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  Speaker 2: you know, I like being a bit more of a
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  Speaker 2: family person, I you know, your attention goes diverts a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. But when Leo was born, she was born
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  Speaker 2: on the third of October. It was like a Thursday night,
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  Speaker 2: and he was born at like three or four am
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  Speaker 2: or something. And then I remember him being born and
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  Speaker 2: we had this amazing moment and then Chloe fell asleep
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  Speaker 2: and he was like there next to me, and I
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: was like laying in bed and I was already like
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: looking at the weather and then seeing people training and
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  Speaker 2: it just like I was like, I've got to go,
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  Speaker 2: and I couldn't, but that was like my hotel, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I've got to go. So I
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  Speaker 2: naturally did what I thought was right in the moment, instinctively.
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  Speaker 2: I left that like a day and a half later.
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  Speaker 2: Now when I say it out loud, I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: a fucking asshole, because I actually feel like that. But
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  Speaker 2: she again blessed her. She understood. But I remember getting
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: to Switzerland, getting on the glacier, like gone through the
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: process of going. Thankfully it's on our flight so I
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't too far away and I got there and I
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: just cried and I was like, what the fuck have
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I just done. I was like, I can't believe I'm here. Yeah,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and I think I didn't even take a run through
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: the pipe. I got back and I flew home. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: went home. Yeah, I was like, I can't. I shouldn't
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: be here. That was also a really good moment to
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: reflect on, although you know, I could be perceived as
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: about the wrong thing to do, which it was. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: also realized in that moment that that day that I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: would have got actually didn't affect me in the long run, Like,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I still won World Championship, I still won
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: X Games, I still I still won all the marquee
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: events that year. But I look back at that and
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I go, I actually wouldn't have accomplished anything that day.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I should have just been there, Yeah, Chloe, and I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: should have been there for it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Probably also like, have it right because you've been doing
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: this for at that point, way longer than you're being
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: your dad.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been conditioned to just like our work. You know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, really don't feel like office feel I'm
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: just going to pretend sick.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'll go to the gym and I can't
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: be stuff this morning, so I'm tired. Whereas for you,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, if I don't do that, Like, yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the impact of my job is huge when you're trying
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to be number one.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I love it doing to day as an athlete.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: You can't get well after that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: After I went back, I had plenty of doing a
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: days I was there and I loved it. When you're
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: very primed all the time and you practice and you're
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: there and you're present and you're in the moment, limits
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the risk of anything happening. So I also think that's
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a factor. That's why you know, I want to train
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: so much. Do you think after having Leo you got
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: some dad strength? I think I got Dad's strength more
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: so just internally, because I remember I had an okay
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: start to the season and I was coming into Larks
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and that's like for us as an event, it's the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: pipe's perfect. You know, there's nowhere to look in terms
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of elements. I still think that people expect me to fail,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: like they're way for me to not win, and I
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: it motivates me a lot and it's still my driving force.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So I had that, But then the elevated part of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: that was, well, you expect me not to win and
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: my dad fucking watch this. Yeah, that's epic, And I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: kind of my brother Tim said the same thing to me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: He goes, I think everyone thinks that you're not going
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: to win this event, and he kind of he was like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you need to go out and just you know, hypothetically
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: fucking knock him out. And we knocked him out.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: We always talk about we love our kids, but it
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: is a bit of a handicap. It makes off a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: little bit harder a competition. If you're a dad, you
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: get like an extra point going into a competition.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny watching athletes, any athlete really the new dad. Like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: for example, Reuben Garrick, right from Manly Seagulls, he had
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: a kid. The morning of the game, his missus, who's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: obviously in and around the sport of our whole life,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: said go and play.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Scored for tries.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also like start the game, try up. Yeah,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: he's a dad. Give there fucking give already for me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Now my eldest is six. I've had some dad tendencies
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: come through, like now, like every time I get up,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: i get off the seat, I'll be like if I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: see a nice bit of lorn, I'm like, oh yeah,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: seem like the creeping in. Do you have any dad tendencies.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: That you're like, oh god, oh, mine's comfort shoes. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: just won't. I'm like, hush puppies. I'll just if I've
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: putting on an outfit, and you know, I'll try and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: look trendy. It's always I always try very hard but
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I'm never successful nowadays, I'm like, you know what, I'm
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: just going to wear my Runners, Like I don't care.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the airport. I'm I'm not
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to a training camp, you know, I've got
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to go through security. I can whip it on off easy.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just wearing my Runners. I'm not wearing anything that's uncomfortable.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So that probably a big dad thing of me. I
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: also heard ankle socks is a big dad thing. It's
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: a weird it's a weird length of socks. It's not
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: quite ankle, it's not quite long. It's this weird in between. Yeah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that they sell and it's like.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: When you're a dad, it looks pretty good.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really I've gone down the ankle sock road. Wow.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And I've been several occasions now I've been called out
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: as a dad socks, ankle socks, new Balance and jaws. Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that's the look.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: The trifecta.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You're all over the world all the time.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I watch you all the time with Chloe also her
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: brother all over the world as well.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: It seems chaotic. Give us an insight to how it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: works for you guys. Well, it is pretty chaotic. Call
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: a spade a spade. We actually, you know, we actually
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: have someone helping us when we're traveling, because, to be honest,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I think between my training, the traveling, the time zone changes,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you know, my job being pretty demanding. Chloe's being pulled
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: around a lot as well. So when we travel, you
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: usually try and bring some someone to help us. If
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: we don't have someone, then we'll have a family member
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: come with us as well, which is good. So that's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: been really helpful. But if we don't then yeah, I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: mean naturally, it presents some challenges. And all of a sudden,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I used to go through security at the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: airport and like it's making me take my belt off
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and do I need to take my shoes off? Yeah?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Take your shoes off. I'm like, do I have to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: take like my necklace off? Yeah? I'm like, oh god.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And then now you go and you're like where do
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I even start? Like, yeah, I'm here. There's the freaking stroller,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and then his stuff and.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: We saw reguard to the I was like in a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: buggerboo carrying it and I was like, oh God, traveling
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: with kids is hard.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: There are so funny.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: We're always about the light and shade. Yeah here on
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Parenting is unique because it has on both
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum the most amazing, incredible moments that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: are core memories for the rest of your life, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: there's also moments that so hard and exhausting. What are
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the really amazing moments that you love and what are
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the moments where you've been like, shit, I didn't sign
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: off for this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Shit would be a good start Leo's got a habit
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at the moment of just set. It's like seven fifteen,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and we should have learnt by now that maybe seven fifteen,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he's gonna take a shit. Go take a shit, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: we put him in the bath because he always eats
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: about six thirty and we have a bit of play time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Then he has a bath and he goes to bed
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: by seven thirty. But he's in the bath at seven
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and he's got a habit at the moment, which I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: don't blame him. I'm sure it's really nice to take
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: a pooh in the bath. To be honest, I kind
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: of watch him like, to be honest, I reckon that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: probably just really nice.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'mous that, not that I do this often, but taking
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a poo in the ocean. A done that very good? Yeah, yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a bit of way, so I get where Leo is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: coming from. I sympathize with it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: A bit of wave actually to wash it out. Even
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: more elevated is the lukewarm water, right, yeah, the ocean.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You know you can't control that tenure, but he's in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: lukewarm water.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's impossible not to ship.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Also the salt contains that once it comes out,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So that's one thing that he started doing. And we
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: fair enough, we laugh and think it's really funny. Do
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you dig it out of the drain or do you
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: stomp it down? It depends, like sometimes they're quite solid
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and you know they float, but then recently they've been
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a bit more. Yeah, the running consistency, so he just
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: goes down.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: The bit of.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Force that goes down, put your hand in and you're like, oh,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: but probably one of the more challenging moments. Yeah. For me,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it's probably just the traveling. Like I'm spending so much
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: time away. I feel like every time I come back,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he's got like a new tooth. He's like this little
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: time stamp where when I leave and I come back,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you feel like you're missing out on something.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Do you have that fear that you might miss out
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: on a milestone that you really really want to be
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: there for?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure all the time.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: How do you battle that when you're also trying to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: stay so focused on sport.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I just said to Chloe, I was like, he walks
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: or something when I'm not around. Tell me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Stay down.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do not argue you, Just stay down on the ground.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, don't tell me, Like, just pretend when
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I come back.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, it's his first step.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be happy. I think like where I get
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of validation in what I'm doing is that,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I hope one day you know whether maybe
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I missed those moments. Is like I can say, hey,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: what when I was away when you were little baby, Like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: this is what I was doing, And it was.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: When you're winning World chair bro Like my six year
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: old asked me who I was with, and I'll show
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: you guys on YouTube and he'll be like that is
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: epic and they were like.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Dad, show me you and he's like, that's it. You
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: left us for five days for this.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Where are your flips?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And for Chloe, obviously she understands the lifestyle, the job,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the career so well that when you mentioned before you
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: can't marry the girl next door and do you do,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: because they would probably get the ships with you that
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: you're missing these milestones like my wife does. Like if
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm away and I'm working, it might be a case
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: which is like, well you missed him doing.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It winning world championship.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: So anybody that's right, Yeah, yeah, I'm on day two, Matt.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You never know, there still.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Time might get a call up what are the moments
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that you love? But for me getting a smile like that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: There are people who listen to the podcast who don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: have kids, and they're probably thinking that the dog smiles
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: at me.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The bottom line is if you don't have kids,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it's very hard to just relate. And my brother would
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: say stuff before I had kids, and I'd be later,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: here we go saying stuff about the kids again. But
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: now I'm obviously your dad when now he's almost eleven
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: months he recognizes me, like on FaceTime also in person,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and it's just that little blip that he gives me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: He's tough the and a smile out of but is
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And we always say there's something that kids can give
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you that nothing else can. Yeah, it's that little moment
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the first time they smile at you, and it's like
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: it makes it all worth it that you have the
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: shittest day in the world, even with them involved sometimes
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and you're like, you've shadowed me twice today, but I'm
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: now putting you into bed and you give me the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: cheeky smile and you're like, God, damn it, I.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Love you so much. And somehow, if you could just
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: put it in a in a pill, maybe we're under
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: something here and people that aren't parents just like it's.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: That I would know if my wife's listening and my mom.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is special and getting the smile.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It's cool now when you compare yourself back before you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: had kids, and I'm sure you know, when Chloe was pregnant,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you're imagining what kind of dad you're going to be, Like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is it the same the person you thought you'd been
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the dad you are now?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Ah hmm, it's a good question. I I think I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: am the dad that I want to be, Like Chloe
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: always says, as much as I'm away, when I'm home,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I'm very I am super present and I consciously make
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: a decision like get off my phone. And even though
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: sometimes like being frank, like sitting there watching him do
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the same thing for an hour is pretty boring, so
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: naturally you want to like pick up your phone and
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe check something, but I like consciously don't.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, just I listly stare at him for hours,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: just because I know that when I'm not doing that,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I've got to go and I'm going to be like, yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: not thinking about it, but yeah, I think I think
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I am, And I reckon you. Obviously also to learn
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a lot from my parents, and then you know, you
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: think about things that they did for me and how
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I want to emulate that, and yeah, so I think
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I am. But that's probably a question for Chloe. Well,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: she's here right now.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Are you going to are you gonna push you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: You start dancing? Are you going to push?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Do you think you're gonna put the young fella into
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the family business of snowboarding?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Chloe's old man. Funnily enough, when he was like first born,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we're having a laugh because he was like, no go cuts,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: no snowboards, ballet shoes. He's got a big, powerful man.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: He's quite a big powerful guy, and you'd be like Okay,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: why ballet.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because I think it's just like so
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: far from just so far from anything extreme. Ye, it's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: not like, you know, life risking every single day, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: don't tell a ballet dance of that, bro. We risk
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: our lives on the PI wedding.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It's nothing.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'm probably just very I do
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: think about that in my case because none of my
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: family professional skills. We didn't live at the mountains, we
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: didn't like, none of my journey was because of something
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: my family did. I think about that with Leo, I'm like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really. I don't think it necessarily matters, Like
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: he'll probably pick what he wants to do anyway, which
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, as long as you enjoy it, that's all.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: And it's like for us who have slightly older kids,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: it's super cool when they like what you like, even
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: just for a split moment.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, he wants to play the cricket
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and they're like, fuck off, Daan Matt's getting his nails painted.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's great. I love it. But we like now
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: on Sundays, the rule is like Chloe will not let
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Leo yet I'm like waiting for it. Not let him
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: watch TV, Like he won't watch TV. He's only ten
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: months old, so he's not really Maybe he was parenting
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: my kids at that age. Yeah, but she's like, he
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: can't watch TV, and I'm like, all right, but on Sundays,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: rules go out the door, Like, I'm what, personally, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: want to watch footy, so I'm not sitting in a
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: living room like staring at the wall. Sorry, but we're
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: going to put the footy on. So now on Sundays
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I put the footy on and he'll sit there standing
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: in his little thing and just and it kills her.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But you know, on Sundays we watched them footy. I
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: get joy out of that for sure.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty awesome. When Leo is all grown up,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: he's an adult. Let's assume that he's going to fly
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the nest. He's no longer living with you and Chloee.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: What is the one thing you would want him to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: remember about the house he grew up in.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: The one thing would be that he always he could
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: always come home and know that everything was okay, Like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what he's done, you know, if he's having
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: trouble with his friends or anything, like he second you
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: walk through your front door, you know that, like Mom
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and I are there.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I love that. Also very fitting from someone who was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: breaking out of Kindy's at THEE.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: It's fine that you broke out of Gindy. Don't worry
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: about it. My mum always says that she's like, if
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he's any thing like you. Yeah, that's such a grandparent sentence.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But it's true though, because I actually I think I
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: want that because that's what I had, even though I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: would have you know, did definitely was a trouble maker.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I always knew that I could go home and I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, what's that like?
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Scott, thank you so much for spending some time with
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: us today in this.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Lovely log cap.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: We can just keep We'll stop recording, just pretend we're
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: still podcast. Everyone from Red Bull right now is like
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: waiting for the over knot and talking as the weather.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: There's no sun yet, let's just keep talking. Scotty appreciate it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, dude.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks guys for having me. And it's fun to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: talk about dad stuff. So it's actually it's quite refreshing now.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Like I always talked about sport my whole career and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: obviously still do, but it's really nice to talk about something.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: To be honest, that's so much more significant than anything
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I'll ever do in sports. So well, anytime you want,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you can come on.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: You want to chat, dads, we're all when you want
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to talk, angle socks, give us.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: A suggest Brands cheers, Well what a lovely band?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Where was he joking? Jay? He's great, He's great.
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  Speaker 3: And another big thank you to Red Pull for teeing
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  Speaker 3: that up for us and having us showing us around
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: as well, which was great at an amazing time, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: a great chat with.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Scott and good luck to Scotty James for his next competition.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's in China, will be there.
• 32:29
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• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and if there's any other mums or dads out there
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that you'd like us to interview, please send it through
• 32:41
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• 32:43
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• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Look it up, but the YouTube is only for Wednesday episodes.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Okay, bye bye bye bye bye.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Bye bye.
• 32:57
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• 33:01
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  Speaker 3: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate island
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the peoples today