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Furness Show 9-7: Mollywhop Monday, Mike Sando, Apple Cup reaction · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: And I was talking to Greg here a second ago.
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  Speaker 1: Even though, all joking aside, today is the Friday, what
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: would normally be a Friday. It's such a weird football week, man.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: But this would normally be Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So on the Friday, you do your final injury report,
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  Speaker 1: and then the coach speaks, and he gives you kind of, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's playing, this guy's not playing, what have you.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to do their final injury report until tomorrow, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so because of that, we'll listen to McDonald. We'll
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  Speaker 1: monitor it. We may play some of it at 145
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  Speaker 1: after Molly Watt Monday. But because they don't have to
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  Speaker 1: put out the final injury report until tomorrow, we are
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  Speaker 1: probably going to not hear a lot from Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to keep things as close to
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  Speaker 1: the vest as he can. And, you know, whether it
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  Speaker 1: be Eamon Worry, Ty Okada, those are kind of the
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  Speaker 1: two ones at the top of the list right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, It was a Torrey Horton situation. God,
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  Speaker 1: that just feels like it's an ongoing problem. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to that later on in the 1 o'clock hour.
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  Speaker 1: But it is an odd week. It's a really odd week.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. It's great to have football back. Don't
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  Speaker 1: get me wrong. I'm super excited.
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  Speaker 4: But we're coming off a week where the Huskies and
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  Speaker 4: Cougars played the Apple Cup on Labor Day weekend on
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  Speaker 4: a Sunday, and the Seahawks are playing on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: The Mariners don't play on a Monday. On a Labor
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  Speaker 4: Day holiday. When it would be perfect for a day
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  Speaker 4: game for them. There's so many weird things about this week.
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  Speaker 1: Very weird.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Before I get into the aforementioned Major League Baseball team. Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 1: by and large, 20 chances a week. Every time we're
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  Speaker 1: on the air and we have a pick? Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: There's a few times, depending on how my show schedule
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Thursday on this show. We got rid of Jess, so
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  Speaker 1: we should be a lot better. Our odds will be
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  Speaker 1: much better. She can't hear me, right? She's gone. I
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  Speaker 1: she's not in her car yet listening. I'll find out
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  Speaker 1: here in a second. Love you, Jess. Anyway, that's how
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  Speaker 1: we're doing it. So I love... Factor Fiction's fun. It
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  Speaker 1: is fun. Our show... Anders oversees the whole thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like his... I don't know what it is,
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  Speaker 1: your burden. It is a burden. But you, on our show,
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd agree, we kind of seem, I think
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  Speaker 1: we have more fun than most. Yeah. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: embrace it. We really have fun with it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We really have fun.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's our degenerate listeners that, you know, are big-time gamblers.
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  Speaker 1: That like to be a part of it. I think
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  Speaker 1: that could be the case. We see that with fantasy football,
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  Speaker 1: with Funston every week, and so much more, right? Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Away we go.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I want to spend the rest of this segment, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the baseball team, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll move into football, and then we'll get back to
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  Speaker 1: baseball with the Molly Wap guys that are coming up here.
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  Speaker 1: today at 1 p.m., Nathan and Chris. So we were
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  Speaker 1: doing some math, and like all of us in this business,
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  Speaker 1: we hopefully have friends outside of the business, and you're
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  Speaker 1: talking to people, and this isn't earth-shattering and this isn't new.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a strange year in the emotions that
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  Speaker 1: people have had towards the Major League Baseball team, all right?
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  Speaker 1: It's just been a weird year. And it's just, I
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  Speaker 1: think everyone went into this season with such high expectations
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  Speaker 1: and such high hopes. I'll go back. I'll bring it
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  Speaker 1: up with him today. You know, Chris did his thing
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the year. I demand they go
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  Speaker 1: to the World Series. And I think most fans were
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  Speaker 1: agreeing with him saying, yeah, like this should be. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: if they get knocked out in Game 7 of the
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  Speaker 1: ALCS again, we're going to be massively disappointed. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to win championships. I think we all understand
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  Speaker 1: how hard it is to win a championship. This city
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  Speaker 1: has seen three major sports championships in its history in
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  Speaker 1: terms of, again, please bear with me. the major sports championships.
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  Speaker 1: And I include hockey, and I'm not including 1917 with
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  Speaker 1: the Metropolitans.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, Todd.
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  Speaker 1: I know you love them. That wasn't even the National
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  Speaker 1: Hockey League then. It was a different league, but it
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  Speaker 1: was the Stanley Cup. But that doesn't matter. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care what the banner says at Climb Pudge. We have
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  Speaker 1: won an NBA title in 1979 and two Super Bowl titles.
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  Speaker 1: It is hard to win. And if you want to
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  Speaker 1: know how hard it is, Just go ask the Cowboys
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  Speaker 1: and the 49er fans. I'll ask them this tomorrow. When
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  Speaker 1: was the last time you won a Super Bowl? It's
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  Speaker 1: been a while. It's hard to win. But when you
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  Speaker 1: just grossly underachieve, as the team has this year, that part,
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  Speaker 1: that just is brutal. So we were doing the math.
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  Speaker 1: Let me take a step back. You do this with
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  Speaker 1: the postcast. You do the hot stove stuff with Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: You cover baseball and follow it closer than I do.
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  Speaker 6: How....
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely unacceptable. How egregious is losing three of four to
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  Speaker 1: the A's? It would be extremely... Is it like losing
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  Speaker 1: to an FCS school?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Is it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It would be like, if Michigan should have, lost to
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  Speaker 4: Western Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And they had relatively high expectations coming into the year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And they.
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  Speaker 4: Got lucky at the very end, we all know, with
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  Speaker 4: that little extra clock added at the end. But it's
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  Speaker 4: a similar situation. And it's one thing to lose the athletics.
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  Speaker 4: They have some talented players, right? Nick Kurtz, Jacob Wilson,
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  Speaker 4: Luis Severino's a decent pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Kurtz isn't even playing right now. That's my point.
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  Speaker 4: Zero of their talented players are playing. It's literally a
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  Speaker 4: AAA team.
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  Speaker 1: Like, and we made that joke. And they already are
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  Speaker 1: a AAA team playing in a AAA ballpark. Exactly. And
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: we made that joke a couple years ago when they
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  Speaker 1: were really bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But they have, you know, they've signed a couple players.
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  Speaker 4: They've become less of a laughingstock in terms of their
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  Speaker 4: actual talent on the field. Now their situation with the
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  Speaker 4: ballpark and where they're playing is a whole different story.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that you lost to that team who
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  Speaker 4: had zero of its talented players playing, who basically threw out.
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  Speaker 4: A pitching staff that I didn't know a single player for.
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  Speaker 4: And I follow this game pretty closely. Uh, Their season's
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  Speaker 4: already done. They've played worse baseball than anyone else in
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  Speaker 4: the second half of the season. And you lose three
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  Speaker 4: or four at home in the middle of a playoff
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  Speaker 4: race or what should have been a playoff race. It's just,
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  Speaker 4: it's completely unacceptable. It's, I'm going to say it again.
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  Speaker 4: This team's mentally soft. They're, they're just, they're not ready
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  Speaker 4: to play.
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  Speaker 1: They're, they don't care. I think there's a, we we've
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  Speaker 1: seen it throughout the year. We saw it again this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Naylor's base running, right? Julio three Oh count. They're
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  Speaker 1: not focused and there's no sense of urgency when they do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then they'll have a win and they'll
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: bounce around and celebrate and, and do the little dances afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: And you think, all right, yeah, there's some, there's some life.
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  Speaker 1: There's some juice here. They're, There's some enthusiasm. And then
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  Speaker 1: they have a series like they had. I mean, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Wu has to have the best start of his career
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  Speaker 1: yesterday to get a win. Yeah. To salvage not getting
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  Speaker 1: swept in four, which I'm okay. So we did some math,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: keeping in mind, and I think it just gives us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of context as to where they're at, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Because they'll say all the right things. Hey, we just
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  Speaker 1: got to go win a series, got to win a
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  Speaker 1: couple series, and you'll be fine. That's not the case. So-
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  Speaker 1: And here's why. So we did a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 1: Not knowing what it's going to take to be the
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  Speaker 1: wildcard team or to win the division. All right? But
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: let's just for argument say, Anders, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: can probably safely do this, right? We can probably safely
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  Speaker 1: say the wildcard... And it's wildcard three, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: The Red Sox and Yankees are... I mean, the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox are wildcard two. They're 14 games above.
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  Speaker 3: 500.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle can't reach that point. So they... The Guardians right
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  Speaker 1: now are two above 500. Toronto is 500. They're a
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  Speaker 1: game back. Texas is two under 500. They're two back
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  Speaker 1: of the final wildcard spot. Four back is Baltimore. They're
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  Speaker 1: six under 500. Minnesota is 68 and 75. They're four
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  Speaker 1: and a half back. And then you get to Seattle
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  Speaker 1: at six back. Ten games under 500. Can we assume
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  Speaker 1: that the wildcard three is probably going to have at
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  Speaker 1: least 81 or 82 wins?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Is that safe?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guessing probably closer to 82. Yeah. than
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  Speaker 1: it is to 81. So let's just say that's 82
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  Speaker 1: is what you have as the barometer. There's too many
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  Speaker 1: wildcard tiebreakers we'd have to look at and stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: let's just assume that, 82. So keep that number in mind.
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  Speaker 1: In the AL West, Houston is two games above 500
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  Speaker 1: at 73 and 71. Seattle, again, 10 games under 500,
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  Speaker 1: 67 and 77. Now the Astros did lose the last
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  Speaker 1: two games. They have to go to Philadelphia. That's hard.
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  Speaker 1: It was playing really well. Really well, right? So stuff
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  Speaker 1: could happen there. Texas comes here. You could kind of
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  Speaker 1: see a glimmer of hope by the next three days.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just do the overall math for a second.
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  Speaker 1: All right? So for Seattle to finish with a 500 record,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: 500 record, 81 and 81. I'm not joking. We're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about 54%, which is 87 wins, 88 wins.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: To get to 500, Seattle would have to go 14
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  Speaker 1: and 4. To get to 82-80, two games above. 500,
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  Speaker 1: which this year probably gets you there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. Well, because if you get to 82-80, you've also
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  Speaker 1: done damage against Houston and Texas. But to get to there, 15-3.
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  Speaker 1: So we're definitely at the NFL point of the schedule
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: in terms of start counting the losses in the right column.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Don't even look at what's overall. Just know this. they
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: lose more than four games in the final 18, their
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  Speaker 1: chances are next to nothing. Texas to go 81-81. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers have the tiebreaker over Seattle. Correct. So if
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers to go 500, they need to go 10-8
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the way. Very doable for them. Very
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: doable for them. For the Rangers to go 82-80, they
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  Speaker 1: need to go 11-7. So let's just say the Rangers,
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  Speaker 1: if they play a little above 500... You can't catch them.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, you can't. Houston, maybe, because you have
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  Speaker 1: the tiebreaker, so that six games back is actually five.
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  Speaker 1: But more importantly, look at the record. If Houston goes
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  Speaker 1: 8-10 the rest of the way, they don't even play
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  Speaker 1: 500 ball the rest of the way. They're 81-81. That
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  Speaker 1: puts you back where you have to win 14 of
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  Speaker 1: 18 for Seattle. That's if Houston goes 8-10. If they
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  Speaker 1: go 500, 9-9, they have 82 wins. which then Seattle
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: would have to match that and go 15-3. All those numbers,
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  Speaker 1: does it make sense? Are they still in it, yes
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  Speaker 1: or no?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even because of the math, because in previous
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: versions of this team, I could see a version that
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: the Mariners go 15-3 or 14-4. If they're playing the
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: type of baseball up until that point where it's like, hey,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: we're right there, were doing the right things. It seems
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  Speaker 4: like they're battling every single day. If they had actually
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: found a turning point this year, which we have wishfully
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: thought has happened.
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  Speaker 1: There's like five times that's happened, right?
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. If they actually had one of those where they
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: flipped the switch and looked like the baseball team that
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: can do that, I would be still believing right now.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not because of their record that tells me
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  Speaker 4: that they're not. It's not because of how many games
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: back and what they have to do in the final, what,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: 18 games that tells me that they can't do that.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: It's the fact that when you watch them play, they
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: look dead dead. They look like they want to get
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: to the offseason. They want this pitiful season to be over. Honestly,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: we hear so much about... Dan Wilson's job in Jeopardy,
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: if they don't make the playoffs, if they really like
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: this guy, they would battle their ass off for him.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: They're not doing that right now. Absolutely not.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: You have Josh Naylor swinging at first pitches every single
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: time he goes to the plate. You have Julio Rodriguez
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: having focus gaps once every two or three days. You
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: have Randy playing for his contracts. He's the only guy
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: that's doing anything right now. And Cal Raleigh, like you said,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: the Richie Sexton home runs.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Too little, too late. It's way too little, too late.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Too little, too late. Too little, too late. This could
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: end up coming down to and being one of the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: most disappointing seasons in Seattle sports history for any team.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: In fact, I was just giving it some thought this morning.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: What would be comparable? I, honest to goodness, could not
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: come up with anything. There's a couple of those Seahawks
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: years after the first Super Bowl win.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But 2014, they got back, right? 2015, it started to slide.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: You could see the crap. But you know what? We
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: kind of always felt like with them, they're going to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: be good enough. Like it's not going to be– they're
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: going to get to the playoffs and whatever happens, happens, right?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's one. I mean, the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Sounders are having a really disappointing season, but they've had
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a zillion injuries. They've got excuses. You know, they just
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: now started getting healthy.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: But as far as these teams, this would have to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: be ranking right up there. Honestly, Anders, if you're going
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to go back, the year after they made the playoffs,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: was it 23? Yeah, 22. 22, so the 23 season? Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: That was a disappointing year. But they had the same record.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: And it felt better all year. Yeah, yeah. This one,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: when the fans have turned on you, I think that's
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: all you need to know. Like, that's bad. And the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: fans literally have turned on these guys. Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I think the only one that comes close to me,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: at least with the Mariners, I can't really think full
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: of the full Seahawks spectrum, but it would be 2024,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the year after that.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Where Scott Service gets fired and then they bring in
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Dan Wilson at the end of August and they end
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: up actually going on a decent run.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At the end of the year.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: And it looks like, you know, you can have some
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: optimism coming into the following season, which of course was
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: warranted because the 2025 season was great.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And then this year's been an absolute dud, man. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: think maybe the 2015 Seahawks season, they lost the Super
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Bowl and they had that hangover. Everyone was talking about,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: can they turn it around? Is that going to hang
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: over their heads, the play? And they ended up going 10-6.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: And they finished second. They lost in the division round
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of the playoffs. That one was close. That one was
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: pretty close. And I was telling Chuck earlier, when I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: saw him before he left, this Mariner team gives me
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: 2023 Seahawk vibes. And what I meant by that is
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the 2023 Hawks were, they needed, they needed to change.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: That was that, that was Pete's last year, Jamal Adams,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and frankly, Quandre and others. It was just a, the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: locker room wasn't what it was before. Uh, Jordan Brooks
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: was pissed off at the world, uh, wasn't getting a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: contract offer. And I know like it worked out cause
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it got Ernest Jones, but it took him a half
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a year to get him back.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: So there was a lot of things going on, but
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he had kind of lost it. Like he had lost
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the room, lost, they'd lost their way. And to the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: point of, and they can say what they want for
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: those of us. And Greg will back me up that
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: we're in there. The whole cigars after the Arizona game
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was not to celebrate someone's kid kid. It was not, no,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they were talking about, they, they said it to us.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: We're celebrating the health. Everyone got through. They were healthy. Well,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you weren't all healthy. There's a bunch of guys are
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: out for the year. Like I, Anyway. but it was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that attitude we're done woohoo let's celebrate let's move on
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to the offseason that 2023 vibe when and when pete
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: got let go initially for a second i was surprised
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and i was like oh maybe not right that's what
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: this team just just get us through the season the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: vibes are. Just get us through the season. You know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: 2023 was Gino, his second to last year. His last year? Well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: then he came back. He came back. Yeah. And like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Gino kind of becoming more of a diva. Josh Naylor's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: contract is not going to age well. Anyway, thoughts on that? 49451. Oh,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you meant Gino Smith. I thought you meant Gino Suarez. Yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Gino Smith.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: The Geno that we liked.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, Geno becoming a diva?
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: What?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: That Geno, no.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: The other one was, yeah, this one. This one. Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Not Eahenio.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: Eahenio.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Eahenio, yeah. No, not that Geno.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Geno Smith.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break. Come back. Lots to get to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in college and pro football. We'll talk about that next.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Molly Watt Monday at 1 o'clock, 93.3 KGRFM.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Packer Fiction two hours from now. Maybe a little refresher
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: again before we get to that point. Molly Watt Monday
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: coming up at 1 o'clock. Ian Furness with you this afternoon,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: joined by... Andrews Hearst. We roll on on this Labor
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Day Monday. Just real quick to wrap up our merit conversation,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: my buddy. Big shout out to Chris Egan, loyal listener. P1,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: as they say in the business, listening to the show,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he pointed out the Sonics in 96, or I'm sorry,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in 90, help me out. No, I'm sorry. First round,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: first round. 90, the 91, 94 one.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: 94.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 94. 93-94, 63-19, and they lost in the first round.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But that was the thing. This team was really good.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: The team was good, and they got through the year.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: The disappointment of losing in the first round, Mutombo and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: all that will never go away.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: People weren't booing the crap out of these guys at
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the Seattle Center Coliseum, which is what it still was then,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: before that. So it was a little bit different. The
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Mariners are just— people want the season to end.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I can't think of a team that had championship aspirations—
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Universally so. Fans, players, executives, and it becoming just an
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: absolute tire fire.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. In the middle of the regular season.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I 100% agree. I mentioned the Seahawks. It kind of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: started to go south a little bit in 2015, 2016,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: after the second Super Bowl appearance. By the way, if
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you're just looking for a little... The last time they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl and then they opened up against
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a quality opponent... They play Green Bay to start the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: next year, which is interesting because they ended up finishing
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the year at home with Green Bay, if you remember right,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game. But the Seahawks beat them
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: 36-16 that game. Kind of laid it to them. Early
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: slow start. I do like the fact that Ricardo Lockett
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: had a touchdown pass from Russell Wilson in that game. Again, foreshadowing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Let's get a little football. Wild weekend in college football.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Just real quick. Softy can give you all his thoughts
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on the Huskies at 3 o'clock today. I'm sure he will.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: We'll have MK and Alex on tomorrow. For me, as
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a Wazoo fan, not knowing anything, not knowing what to expect,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: really not knowing how emotionally to handle the world we
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: live in right now with college football and a new coach,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: new players, new everything. New rivalry game, time, place, state,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: all those things. New conference, which had very much mixed
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: results over the weekend. Utah State embarrassing itself in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: conference and Boise State doing a great job. And I'll
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: say our guys too. Our guys too. I mean, let's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: be honest. A, they covered. B, the under. C, I mean,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you go through the whole thing. Jed wanted to run
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it up on him to the point where he almost
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: got one of his top running backs hurt. Like, What
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: are we doing? But they hung around. I'm all in
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: on Kirby Moore until proven otherwise. All in on Kirby.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I can't think on the West Coast, unless I guess
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: maybe in Oregon, if there would be a more difficult
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: place to have your first game as a head coach.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Husky Stadium, packed house. Ranked team. Ranked team. Third-year head
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: coach in Jed Fish. Second-year full-time starter in DeMond Williams. Like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that's a hell of a way to start. And Washington's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: defense is legit. So I can't think of a tougher
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: place to start. A first-time play caller is O.C. Miller,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: his first-time play caller. Again, hard. You don't know what
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you've got. You have no idea. You've watched him in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: training camp and practice. You don't know what you have, though,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: until they get out there and it's real against a
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: quality opponent and they're hitting people.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You probably now have a lot better understanding of what
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: your limitations are with the quarterback. Right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: But.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask what you thought on Caden Pinnacle.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's any good. But that's one game.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's really unfair on my part. And like
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you said, it's a tough landing spot. Tough landing spot.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I asked... I didn't... There's part of me saying, can
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: we make a quarterback switch? And then there's another part
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of me that says, well, they know what they're doing.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: They've seen him all year. And they don't... Maybe they
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: were saying, let's get through this one and Maybe next week,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: if things aren't well, then it's... Build it up from there.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: We get one of those two guys in there. The
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: one guy that does no football in our house, as
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he pointed out, as the game went on, the play calling,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the tempo got better for Washington State. I agree. It
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: started looking like the guy was a little more comfortable. Again,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I'll give Washington credit. You're one of the youngest coaches
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in FBS football, and that's your first ever game as
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a head coach is there. That's tough. Your kicker missed
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: two field goals. 52 wasn't close. And the other one
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that he made, then they pushed him back because the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: mystery whistle blew, and there was a whole bunch of
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: those yesterday. Like, it could have been a lot different game.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: You also had a seven-point game in the fourth quarter,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: third and nine for Washington, and you had three timeouts. Now,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to go down, but you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: had a chance.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And DeMond Williams shows why he makes $ 4 million. Whether
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: he's trying to run out of Seattle or run around
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: guys in Seattle, he showed why. And that's what he did.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: That was a great move. There's like five guys in
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the country that can probably do that, and he's one
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of them. That's a hell of a move to give him.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But I came away for the first time in a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: long time saying, wow, Washington State might have a legit defense.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: They look good. And I know. So here's the thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: This is how it is. Everyone's got their own way
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to view it. Husky fans. We played sloppy. We were undisciplined.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So did our guys.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Like, you think they played a crisp game?
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: No.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: A lot of teams look like that this weekend. I think,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Wazoo, they played hard. Defense played hard. They
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: lost their best playmaker in the first series on a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: play that is beyond me why that wasn't a penalty
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: when Freeman got hit down the field without the ball
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: coming his way. He just got blindsided. Tore up his knee. Like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: how is that not a penalty? And I'm sorry. You know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: last week I spent some time blasting my own school.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it again. If anybody in Pullman
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: goes back down the road of telling me that Yogi
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Roth is an honorary Coug and bringing him back for
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all these events and all these sit downs and all
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: these things. I couldn't stand him on the call. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: couldn't stand him before yesterday.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: But.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: We at Wazoo want to sometimes think very little of ourselves,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and so we just, oh, maybe Yogi's the pretty girl,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and maybe she'll say yes to the homecoming, and so
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we pay her or him, we pay him handsomely to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: come over and do stuff for us, and then people
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: sing his praises, Honoré Coog. I don't expect him to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: be a homer, but That broadcast was a joke. Now,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we talked about it last week. Part of it might
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: have been Wazoo. The fact that Wazoo decided they're not
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: going to send out notes or anything like that to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: help the broadcasters until late Wednesday. So if it was me,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'd probably be feeling the same way. But we didn't know.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: We didn't learn anything about our guys. But Yogi, I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: can do without him. Washington is going to kill Utah State. Like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it's just... They got all the other stuff out of
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: their system, and Utah State just lost to a bat.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Idaho State's not good. Traditionally, one of the worst teams
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: in the big sky. And Utah State lost to them.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Bad day for Bronco Mendenhall. Really bad day for him.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Good weekend for Jim Mora. Colorado State got a win.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I thought Boise State was fantastic against Oregon. And if
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you're Oregon, you're probably saying the same thing. Oh, we
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: played sloppy. It's a similar situation, I'm sure. I don't know, man. Anders,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. I don't know if Dante
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Mora is it. I'm so glad. He looked great at times.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: There's other times just like kind of inexplicable things he does.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad Washington or Seattle doesn't need a quarterback. Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Cause he's like hype is the guy he's him or arch, right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: He didn't, I mean, he looked pretty good arch did,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I don't know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, good weekend, college football, bad weekend for college football
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: as well. We'll talk about that next.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3, KJR FM.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. College football, we'll get Mandel on
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: later this week. His weekly visit will be interesting because
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any true fallout. Michigan holds
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on to beat Western Michigan 13-12, Hail Mary at the end.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: There was a second Hail Mary Saturday night. Everyone probably,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: if you're listening to Sports Nation, you've seen the highlight.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: You know what happened by now. You probably have a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: thought and opinion on it. There's a lot of anti-Big
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Ten sentiment out there, and rightfully so because of that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where the officials are from. Everything about
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it was greasy. Every ranked team won this weekend. There's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: one more ranked team playing. SMU plays Florida State at
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: 430 today. They're 19th in the country. But every ranked
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: team won the closest– well, I shouldn't say that. The
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: one matchup of ranked teams, obviously, Louisville losing to Ole Miss.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But everyone else that was ranked won. Michigan was the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: one that was on upset alert the entire game. They
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: scored early in the first quarter, didn't score again until
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the second final play of the game when it was
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: all over. By and large, I go back to the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: World Cup, Anders.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You're done with that. No, no, because there's a good,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: there's a good parallel here. So one of the complaints
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that us fans that are new to the sport this
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: year with the world cup, they kind of jumped on
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and we're enjoying the great world cup action. One of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the things that, that was a constant that you heard
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that we all heard and I have it. I think it's,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. It's just one
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of the things about any game should be the integrity
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of the game and how it's officiated and how it's,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: how everything, you know, there's a start and a finish, right? Baseball,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: unless you go to extra innings, there's 27 outs. Right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: You don't get 28 outs. You know exactly how much
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: time is in the game. When the final out, there's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: no question.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Hockey, horn sounds, a little green light goes on, even
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: if a puck goes in, it's over. We're not going
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to add a tenth of a second. Yeah. NBAs, college basketball,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: at the highest of levels, same thing. Soccer, the complaint
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: was the arbitrary timing system, and it's arbitrary. It's very
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: much so. There's no way to say it's not. If
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you have possession and there's four extra minutes, and we're
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: now at 4, 4.10, 4.15, 4.30. You get to finish
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: out the attack. You finish the attack. And as greasy
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: as that is, I guess in a sense, at least
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know it. But it's even sometimes arbitrary. What was
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the game? It might have been the Sounders game a
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, and there was like I remember watching it,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think what game it was. It
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but I'm thinking, well, there were a couple
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: injuries and goals, and then they put four minutes up.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what? And not like six or seven. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it was four on the button.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, that's probably the way it should be,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but that's not normally the way it is. Right. Well, Michigan,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Western Michigan, we all saw what happened. Game's over. By
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: all accounts, it's over. And hold on, hold on. Wait, what?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: What?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: We're going to put some time back on the clock.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Big 10. And I'm going to emphasize this. Two hours later,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and they're getting credit for this, put out a statement
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and some video evidence. No, here's why. All these things.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Mike Pereira and others who have officiated, by and large,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: general consensus is what happened there was wrong. Terry McCauley
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: on the broadcast. He was sideways.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, he was.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Side note, whoever was the rules official on the NBC
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: broadcast yesterday is maybe the worst in the history of man.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And that includes when they had the old, what was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the guy's name? Michael Mooreshead or whatever his name was.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He used to be the Pac-10 guy. He used to be,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: did something last year. Holmgren's favorite, Dean Blandino. Yeah, I'll
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: take those guys over this dude. This guy was a, well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a, I don't think that's targeting.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: What?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, we move on. Everyone says it was wrong. The
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: hard thing in college football right now, you've got enough
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: problems as it is. I'll be honest with you. The
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: best thing that could have happened for college football would
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: have been for the right thing to happen. Western Michigan wins.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They knock off Michigan. Sorry, Kyle. I love you. Love
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you to death. But all of a sudden, you're like, see,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: little guy has a chance. Even when the little guy
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: not only has a chance but wins, that's what you get.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: It was just.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: If nothing else, we were robbed of a great miracle
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: ending and an upset in a sport that's probably going
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to be more and more void of big upsets. They're
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: going to be harder to find, harder to get to.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You could see it. Washington State put up a good
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: fight against the Huskies. Boise State put up a good
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: fight against Oregon. But the reality is those rosters are
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just better. They were better before. They're way more better
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: now because of the resources involved. I mean, we've talked
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: about it. Washington's quarterbacks making $ 4. 5 million. Washington State's $ 250, 000.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: There's a difference. But you had an opportunity. And of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: all the conferences, the Big Ten, Big Bad Big Ten,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: protecting its own somehow, someway, just was.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of black eyes. Feels gross. Yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: we've had a lot of black eyes for college football
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: in the last 12 months. That might be number one. Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: That might be number one. It does feel gross. That's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: probably the best way to put it. It feels gross. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: especially after the whole Lane Kiffin stuff, too. You know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and while that Western Michigan game was being decided in
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: how our fashion was being decided, at the very same time,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it was, I think, 31-3 was the score. Clemson-LSU. Clemson-LSU. Clemson,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that's a whole different story with Dabo Sweeney and his
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: reluctance to embrace the new college football. But, yeah, it
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: was a bad day. You know, and there's... the clock has,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: here's the thing, what has been said over and over again,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the clock has to be what you see on TV.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Now you have wireless clocks and things like that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: I laugh.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: We were, when I used to run the scoreboard for
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: junior football at Maxwell Stadium, Tahoma High School, and it's wireless.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And there was actually a little bit of a delay
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: from the press box there. And there was one number,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I forget which one, that was kind of off. It
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: always skipped. I think it was like a seven or something.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It would go from eight to six and people would
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: lose their minds sometimes. That's an old high school. You're
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: in the big house. You go with, as Mike Pereira
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: said over, and others have too, you go by what's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: on TV. That's what you see. That's the official see.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: That's it. Period. End of story. Because it should be
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: synced up. Yeah. To find, and I'm not giving anybody
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: any credit for going two hours later and finding a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: different clock and a different view. No, no. Everyone in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the world saw what happened. Michigan lost that game.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: And why, like, side note, like, definitely with the soccer comparison,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I agree, but why don't they do tenths of a second?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: That's always been a weird thing to me. Well, here's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the thing. In football, that's actually, people driving around right now,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'd be saying, hey, they do at our high school
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: football stadium.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Because they do. Exactly. Some of those clocks have that. Exactly.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Ours did, actually, of all things, which is weird because
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it was an old clock. But I don't think in
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: football it should matter for this reason until then. Because
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: if there's one-tenth of a second left, it still says one, right?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Because there's a little bit of a delay. It's true.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It'll still say one, and you can still get a snap-off.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's the— But then that way it becomes
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: more exact, right?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: But you don't really need a— like in basketball, you need
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a tenth of a second. To see the hand. Right.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: In football, all you— You just get the snap-off. Get
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the snap-off. So it really shouldn't matter, right? It really
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter. Get the snap-off, kick-off, whatever. Yeah. Because you
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: play through expired time in football.
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe you do need that now. Maybe you do. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. That might be the next step. If they
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: do that, then they're admitting they made a mistake. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I just, I thought it was. And then Bryce Underwood.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Guy's making $ 12 million. Yay, yay. Not good. All right.
• 38:21
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• 38:24
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• 38:27
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• 38:29
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• 38:35
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• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a face, but I see the following. I'll just read
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: this verbatim, Michigan stadium clock operator. Are you with us, sir?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I'm here. I think I might be just a little
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: bit late. Um, I guess I had a pretty tough weekend. Um, Yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: it's a bad first day. Bad first day, I guess.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Just push stop on the clock, even though it said zero.
• 40:47
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• 40:48
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• 40:51
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• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Michigan Stadium clock operator. That's going to go on for
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a while, by the way. That's going to haunt Michigan
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Whittingham for a long time. I wonder at
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: what point after they didn't score after that first drive
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: in the first quarter, the next three quarters plus, did
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he say, you know what? Utah would have been great.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Why did I leave Utah? Why did I decide to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: leave Utah? Well, the Michigan Stadium clock operator and the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Big Ten, they didn't have the worst weekend. The worst weekend,
• 41:30
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• 41:32
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• 41:33
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• 41:35
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• 41:38
  Speaker 7: That was a seamless transition from embarrassment to embarrassment. So thanks, Ian.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: I'll just lead it off with this, man. Like this
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: baseball team, this has obviously been a really frustrating season.
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: We've talked about it week after week after week. I've
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: been mad at this team. I've been disappointed in this team.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: I was at the game on Saturday night with my
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: kid and some of his friends. And I feel like Saturday,
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: everybody has their own thresholds for where they get to
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: these kinds of points. I have a high threshold for touchdowns.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: mariners nonsense that's why i'm around them all the time
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: that's why i haven't ever really quit them but i
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: was uh for the first time all year just flat
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: out embarrassed to be a mariners fan on saturday night
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: like that um the performance like losing the game is
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: fine like we're all we're all used to that at
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: this point and getting run over by a terrible ace
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: team you know for the third straight day that was
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: fine but the lack of the obvious lack of effort
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: in that game um was appalling. And I'm not even
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: a guy who gets upset about that stuff. Like I
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: hear people getting angry at Randy or Rosen Rainer for
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: jogging after a double down the line or not hustling
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: in from something. And I kind of just roll my
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: eyes most of the time, but what happened with that
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Josh Naylor double play was embarrassing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Um, it was really, really, really disappointing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: It happened right in front of me.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I saw it happen.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: Um, it's inexplicable that that occurred. And that there was
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: no real fallout. I mean, I didn't follow it super
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: closely because I got home late, but it sounded like
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: the guys all the hitters all checked out of the
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: clubhouse before the media even got in there. The manager
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: said he didn't see it, which. If the manager doesn't
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: see what's going on, it would explain a lot about
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: the way that he's been managing all year, but I
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: think he probably did see it and just doesn't have
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: the guts to call anybody out.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It's really disappointing, man.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: I don't want to be a guy who just comes
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: on the radio and lambasts athletes for their efforts. I
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: know their jobs are hard. I know that baseball is
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: a very difficult game, but Um, it's.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Been a pattern.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: It's not the first time that we've seen this kind
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: of stuff happen this year. And, uh, you know, with
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: the season just fully slipping away, which we could talk
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: about as much as we want to talk about, I mean,
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: the season is basically over. I'm just really disappointed that
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: at no point I I've complained about the ownership ad
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: nauseum here. I've made fun of Dan Wilson. Um, Jerry
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: DePoto and I are obviously not mutual best friends. really
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: disappointed in the players this week man yeah like i'm
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: just so disappointed that these guys have not rallied themselves
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: that there's not been a pride that i've seen come
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: through in their play in their efforts um and that
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: i've seen that veterans have kind of just checked out
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: for the most part from what i can tell it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: just it's a real it's a really really disappointing thing
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: it makes me think to the great leaders that the
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: mariners have had i think they have one good one
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: right now in cal raleigh but it's really hard to
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: lead when you're having the worst season of your professional
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: career But I think of guys like Kyle Seeger, Mitch Hanager,
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: and some other guys who would have never stood for
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: any of this crap. They tried this stuff. They would
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: have absolutely gotten reamed in the clubhouse when they got
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: back in there.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And, you know, this is a.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Team that– this is an organization that struggles with big
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: personalities because it tends to rankle with the upper management
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: when people come in with big personalities. And I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: that the personalities on this team, maybe consciously or subconsciously,
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: have been built to avoid that kind of conflict. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: when that happens and you need leaders– There's no one
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: there to answer the bell, man. It's just really hard
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: to watch as a fan.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: He's just in time. He was a second late, but
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the Michigan stadium clock operator has left and he left.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: He left us with a great Chris Crawford far away.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Tough one this weekend. You're on it today.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I keep thinking about. the demands I made
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: before the year because I'm a narcissist and because I'm
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: an idiot and I'm an idiot narcissist. But I keep
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: thinking also, why is this not bugging me more? Why
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is them being 10 games under 500 clearly out of it?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Like need miracle upon miracles. 1980 US Olympic hockey team
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: got nothing on this one type of miracle that you
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: would need to make the post season. Why is this
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: not pissing me off? And the reason it's not pissing
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: me off is I can't wait to not watch this
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: baseball team play ever again. It's such an unlikable baseball team. Now,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean there aren't likable personalities. There are likable
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: players in that clubhouse. I don't think Dan, per se,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: is an unlikable person. I don't like him as a manager,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much. I think that this group
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: together just doesn't work so much that I'm just pumped
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to not watch this baseball team anymore. And that sucks
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: because that's not how you should feel. You shouldn't feel
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that way about any sports team, right? It sucks that
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: we can't appreciate how good Brian Wu was on Sunday
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: because it means nothing for 2026. Absolutely nothing. In fact,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: if you want to do the loser talk, hell, it
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: probably hurt them in their tank-a-thon and their chances of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: getting a higher draft pick. And I hate talking like that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I hate it. But this baseball team is so unlikable.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And it's funny, you brought up the Josh Naylor thing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I missed the double play thing. Now I watched the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: replay later and yeah, it was just a pathetic effort.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It happened the day before on a throw to first
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: base that was awful from Brock Rodden where Josh Naylor
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't freaking move. He just sits there and stares at
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the baseball. I took a picture of it and made
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: it my Maya Wise screen cap because, no, I'm not
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: asking him to get click clacked and run over by
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the guy. I am asking you to make some kind
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: of effort. And that's not me calling out Josh Naylor
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: per se. It's calling out this whole team. This whole
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: team is so unlikable and clearly unmotivated that I can't wait.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a Chicago Cub fan now. I can't wait till
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: next year.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: It's too bad it's not like a fight, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like an MMA fight or something. You can just tap
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: out and just say, let's get to next year. You know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: just get to next year. Both of you are saying something,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and Anders and I kind of talked about this earlier, too,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this on the show a lot.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Our show here, this show, Molly Watt Monday, brought to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you by Simply Seattle, and just overall on the radio,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and Chris, I know when you filled in, you probably
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: brought it up, too. I'm trying to figure out something
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that you just said, and I've all been trying to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: figure it out, because I hear it from my friends
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and others outside of the business all the time. Unlikable team.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to put my finger on it, because
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: you're not the first one to say that. You won't
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: be the last. We hear it all the time. So
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: you ask yourself, why? And let's try to look at
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the why for that for a second. Kind of like
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: my old why. Why is that? Chris, is it because
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: we had such high expectations and they haven't lived up
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to those? Is that why? Because it's just one of
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the most disappointing seasons in Seattle sports history for any
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: team because it was based on expectations, right?
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It definitely plays a factor. I think the fact that
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: they're just not good, like it's not fun to watch
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: bad baseball that obviously plays in the factor, but there's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: something deeper here. There is something deeper with this team
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: that there is just, there is a lack of energy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: There is a lack of fun. There is a lack
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: of intensity that I just, Haven't seen from a Seattle
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Mariner team in a really long time. And I think
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: when you combine that with the expectations that we've had,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: and they haven't just not lived up to expectations, guys.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: This is not, they're bad compared, like we talked about
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: with Cal Raleigh. They're not just bad compared to 2025
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: and 2024. They're bad. They're a bad baseball team. They
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: are one eight game winning streak away from being in
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the doldrums of baseball. The absolute doldrums of baseball. So
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's a combination of all of those things. It's having expectations.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: And for me demands, it's the fact that they're not good.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And then that just, just not fun to watch. And
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that sucks. We should have so much fun. We have
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: two guys who've made MLB debuts, three guys who've made
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: MLB debuts recently. that are highly ranked prospects. We have
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: unbelievable talents that we get to watch on this roster.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And yet I get no joy. It's the phrase that
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I always forget. Exactly. Joyless suck factory. The joyless suck
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: factory has been producing at such a high level, particularly
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: as of late. And this weekend was just so pathetic too,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: but I think it's all of those things combined that
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: make them one of the least likable Seattle sports teams
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that I can remember.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Nathan?
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: I think we mentioned this last week. I think part
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: of it, in addition to what Chris is saying, is
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: just how little was really needed from them in order
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: to be the first team to ever win back to
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: the first Mariner team to ever win back to back
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: division titles. Because we talked about that before the season,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: that they should have a pretty easy time becoming the
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: first team in franchise history to win back to back
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: division titles. And it would have been we had no
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: idea at the time how easy it actually would have been.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: To win the American League West. I mean, this is
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: the worst division in baseball in a really long time.
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: All they had to do was get a little bit
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: worse than last year and they would have been totally fine.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: And instead, they've completely face planted. And I really think
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've talked about this all year, too. And
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: this is subjective. Everybody has a different tolerance or a
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: different kind of thing that they like. I hate watching
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: this team play because I like watching great athletes make
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: great plays. And you see that on defense a lot.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: And this is just the most unenjoyable defensive team that
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: I can remember ever watching in Seattle, like completely up
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: and down the roster, especially with Julio, apparently having a
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: regression in center field where he's no longer this elite player.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: There's just nobody out there who, when they're playing baseball,
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: when you watch them just move around the field, looks
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: like this graceful, amazing athlete that does these amazing things
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: that makes your jaw drop, that makes you want to
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: watch them play. The kinds of things that, like, even
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: in a lost season, you know, you have Ken Griffey Jr.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: climbing the fence, or you have Felix, excuse me, Franklin
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: Gutierrez just gliding around there, or you have Kyle Seager's
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: great defense at third, or on and on and on.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: There's nothing like that here. It's not just that there's
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: no great defenders. There's barely even any adequate defenders out there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: It is an awful defense. product to watch, combined with
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: the fact that they've scored the fewest runs in the
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: American League. So you've got a team that can't get
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: around the field to make plays on defense, and they
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: cannot score runs. So the only thing that you can
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: really do is sit around and say, geez, I hope
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: Brian Wood throws the best start of his career so
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: that we can beat the Sacramento A's today, two to nothing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: And that's it. Yesterday is the best case scenario outcome.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: You got one of your starting pitchers, had one of
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: his great starts, and you beat a crap team 2-0.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: That is the ceiling of the 2026 Mariners as a
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: viewing product.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: That is a hard sell. Softie brought this up last week.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And as we're talking about the personality of the team
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and the makeup of the team and the and again,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it's not just Nathan and Chris that are saying unlikable.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: It's just, I've, we've all heard that Chris, you probably
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: see it in your, in your comments all the time
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: from my, why Anders for his postcast. I mean, we,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: we see it all the time. And I think part
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of it is the fact that they just, they've let
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: us down all year and, you know, baseball guy will
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: preach to us. It's a long season and that's fine.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: You know, the funny thing is, is the one winning
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: month they had was what may was the second month.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Like we could feel, okay, we're feeling good.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: There's just something been missing something. That's been a turnoff
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to the fan base. And Softie brought this up, and
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it a lot. When you do
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: something like he did this year with the top 50
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: players of all time, right? And you put together that
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: type of list, you know, your old Mount Rushmore type
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of list. And you see a Jeff Nelson not on there,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: for example. Which is, again, somewhat laughable. Actually, very laughable.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: But you see him not on there. And then you
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: see the number, was it seven or eight guys on
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the present team are top 50 players of all time? Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And as Softie brought up, it's like, are they so
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: soft that we have to appease them? Is that where
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: we are? Is there a sense of entitlement? I'm going
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: to take it a different step. Is there a sense
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: of entitlement with these guys? They took us further than
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: ever before with a baseball team last year. I don't
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: know what it is, but I think all those things
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: combined have been a massive turnoff for this fan base, Chris,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It beyond and everything you're saying, I can't argue with it's,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: it's so hard to prove, you know what I mean?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Because we're not in their heads and not often in
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the locker rooms. I'm never in the locker room. I'm
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: definitely not allowed in there, but like it just, it's
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: something and whatever it is, I hope they don't think
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: this is my biggest concern. And I've brought this up
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: a few times, but I'll do it again is that
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: they're going to think, that this was just a one-off
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and that everything's going to be okay going forward. And I,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I hope that's not what they do. I really hope
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: not because I can't deal with that.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: There's no way. I don't think they can. I, let
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: me interject. Please. You, because I think that's the concern.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of people have is in one case, right?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Nathan and Chris, in one place, it was like, well,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: let's just, let's just finish this thing off. It's better.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Cause you hear the, I always think it's better to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs no matter what, in any sport.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: But, You hear a lot of folks saying, I'd just
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: rather them, instead of going and getting beaten the wild
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: card round in two games or three games or whatever,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and teasing us even getting to the divisional, whatever, I'd
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: rather just be done so they can, quote, make the changes.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And then we've talked about it in this show. Well,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: is there any guarantee they would?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: The answer is no. There seems to be this mumbling,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and I think it's just based on people are speculating
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: that maybe Dan would just step down. Instead of him
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: being fired, he would just step down, step away. Does
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that cure all the ills? I mean, in the eyes
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: of the fans. So when I interject this, what I'm
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: thinking is, you know, guys like Kmart, who's the team
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: president now. Like, he's not the baseball president, he's the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: team president. And he's got the ear of a John Stanton.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Kmart has a pretty good pulse on what people are saying.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Because I know that because he tells us that sometimes.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Doesn't like what we say. You cannot go into whatever offseason,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: however long it is, and stay status quo.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: No.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: You just can't because the fan base, they're already turning
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: on you. So, Chris, I don't know what the answer is,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: but I'd still rather see them make it, but I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: know there is a sentiment that people don't want them
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to make it because, well, maybe that'll cause massive changes.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to have to make changes anyway
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: because you've got to understand what your clientele, what your,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the people that pay you, what they're thinking right now,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: what they're thinking is nothing positive.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: They've, it's been really interesting to see because there were, like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: we've always been critical of the dan wilson hiring on
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: this show.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You said it was day one yeah it wasn't it
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't hiring.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was just not i mean the process of
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: it and the result of it are what they are
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and look last year was fun but wasn't the ultimate
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: goal that's not the ultimate goal and this year is
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: beyond less than the ultimate goal um they've turned. The
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: majority of the fan base now realizes that Dan Wilson
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: isn't a good manager. Is Dan Wilson the guy who's
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the most at fault for this? Probably not. But Dan Wilson,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people would just like this
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: thing to be over because number one, it means that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson will be gone. And number two, because they
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: just don't want to watch this baseball team anymore. So
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: kind of an interesting juxtaposition there for sure.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: I feel like there's an element of this too, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: this will sound like I'm patronizing. I'm not at all.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: The Mariners, because they've been a pretty good baseball team
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: for the last five years, 2021 through 2025, they've inspired
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: a whole new generation of fans. So in this last
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: half decade, we're now dealing with either new Mariner fans
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: or just new baseball fans because of all of their play.
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: So for this, like for me. 2026 is a Mariner season.
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: Like I've been here before or like there's nothing about this.
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: This is original or there's nothing going on here that
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: I feel I'm watching. And I'm like, oh, I've never
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: seen this happen before.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: The Mariners are crapping the bed. Are you kidding me?
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: But for a huge segment of this fan base, this
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: is really their first time dealing with this kind of
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: a thing. where the team comes into a season with expectations,
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: with hype, with actual hope to do something great, and
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: they fall completely on their face. And the last time
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: this happened was, I think, probably 2015, which is a
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: lifetime ago. Anders was like 17. In 2015. So, you know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: I think that there's an element of this where this
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: fan base, they're going to have to understand that for
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: a lot of their fans and for a lot of
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: these newer fans, their passion for the game because it's
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: new is so hot.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Like they're so high.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: And they're so excited about this. And now they have
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: this disappointment and that crash is going to be way
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: harder than it is for somebody like me who can't
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: even feel anything with this team anymore. So it's, it
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: is just really a tough thing for them to deal with.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: I'll jump in on that because I've said this multiple times,
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the nostalgia factor that the Mariners play into really ticks
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: me off a lot, probably more than others, because I
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: didn't experience that 90s griffey randy edgar uh all that
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: stuff i this this era right now the the early
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: 2020s is that for me so having it be like
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: this now is making that even more frustrating as we
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: just pitter out one of the most talented teams and
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: that's the other thing you could argue this is one
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: of the most talented teams in team history.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And they're more top 50 guys anybody.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Else right yeah Yeah, that's true. So it's just all
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: of those things combined just put everything together.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I think, and Nathan, I had to go back and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: look and see, and I was trying to find the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: reference point when you're talking about the 2015 season. Well,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: there's a parallel there, guys. I mean, 2014 team, 87-75, and,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you know. They signed Nelson Cruz in the offseason after 2014. Yep,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they had Robbie Cano already in the team, and, you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: he had, Lloyd, listen. Lloyd McClendon is your manager. And
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: then you drop. Listen. They go 76 and 86 the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: next year. 87 to 76 wins. Right now, 90 wins
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: last season. And they're staring at something not even close
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: to that this year. So, I mean, there is that parallel.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: But you're right. I think there's an interesting thing. The
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: three of us, not Anders, because he is a little
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: bit younger. We joke about that. But we've been through
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of this crap before. Oh, yeah. This does
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: feel different to me. It feels different to me because
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I'll go back to the first Mollywop of the year.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: And Chris, God bless you.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I demand they go to the World Series. And you
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: know what? We got the reaction on the text line
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: that day. People were like, yeah. Blank yes, man.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Let's demand as a Mariner fan excellence. And there's no
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: reason not to. And then they haven't delivered. When we
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: come back, I'm going to ask you guys a very
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: simple question. is there anything they can do to salvage
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: this year? Is there anything they can do? And I'll
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: try to, I'll try to make an argument. It'll get
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: shot down, but we'll ask the boys the question and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: then we'll check back in and see if the Michigan
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: stadium clock operator is still around. I'm not sure where
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you went. We'll find out next.
• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: It's not too late to fire Dan Wilson. It's not
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: too late to just replace him.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: With a fight.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Just stick a house plant right there in the corner
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: and say you're the manager now. Because we're at a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: point where replacing Dan Wilson with a plant is is
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: actually probably an upgrade.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: That's how much he's hurting his team right now.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: I think Manny Acta really inherited two bad jobs in
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: his career, and that kind of painted him. When you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: talk about a guy who's almost the opposite of Dan
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Wilson in terms of how he understands game state, and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say he's a stat head, but
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: he's a lot closer than Wilson is. I think Manny
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Acta would be an enormous upgrade.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Or a plant, apparently, according to Joe Sheehan. He'll be
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: back with us tomorrow as Weekly Visit. I knew you'd
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: get a kick out of that, Chris.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: After I saw his stuff on Blue Sky, I was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: so excited to listen to him on your show that day.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: He did not disappoint the way the Seattle Mariners have.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: That's for damn sure. Uh, Cleveland, uh, Baltimore just beat Cleveland. So, uh,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: the Orioles now improved to 70 and 75. So, uh,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: there you go. That's in the wildcard race. Cleveland, uh,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: with that loss drops to 73 and 72. So, uh,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: depending on what Toronto does later against the athletics, uh,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: we've got a little bit of a log jam there.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: That final third, uh, wildcard spot along the way. So, okay.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I asked you guys a question earlier. Can they salvage it?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me, I threw out the numbers earlier.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Anders and I were talking about this. So if you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: just look at the other two teams and we'll just,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: if we just start for a second with, I guess
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: this first place team would be the Houston Astros. So
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the Astros right now, two games above 500 and they
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: lead Seattle by, it says six. In reality, it's five
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: games because they have the tiebreaker. Seattle does. But if,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: if the Astros, the rest of the season go eight
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: and 10, they will finish 81 and 81. If they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: go eight and 10. If they go 500, 9 and 9,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: they're 82 and 80. So keeping those numbers in mind. Texas,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: right now, if they go 10 and 8, they'll go
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: 81 and 81. If they go 11 and 7, they'll
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: go 82 and 80. I'm kind of looking at the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: 80 to 82 range and 81 range somewhere in there.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the cutoff maybe, and you think that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: might win it this year. For Seattle to get to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: either one of those numbers, to get to 500, the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Mariners would have to go 14 and 4. To go
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: above 582-80, they would have to go 15-3. Two questions
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: here when I said, can they salvage it? Are either
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: one of those things possible? And what could salvage, if anything,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: this season, Chris Crawford?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's possible. It's possible Kelly Kapowski could return
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: my calls, too. Like, there's just.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's funny because those records you said,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I believe the Seahawks went 15-3 last year. So, hey,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen professional sports teams.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: Nah, nah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing I wanted to bring up, too,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: because the Seattle Mariners are going to try and some
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: point and sell 2026 as the year that we saw
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Kate Anderson and Las Montes and Michael Arroyo all make
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: their debuts. And Cole Young had his best season. And
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to try to sell you on that. And
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: don't believe it. don't listen to it whatsoever there's nothing
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: i mean even if they make the postseason unless they
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: do damage in the postseason and there's nothing that suggests
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: they can the season is an absolute waste so i
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: looked up the meaning of salvage by the way because
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: i use it so often i was wondering if i
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: was using it wrong salvage means to rescue or recover
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: something valuable from damage destruction or loss damage destruction and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: loss all done there's no salvaging this there is Selling
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: for scraps, maybe you might be able to scrap some
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: of this and go down to a Taylor town in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Shelton and sell some of this stuff. But like, there's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: nothing I think that they can do over this final.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: It's exactly one ninth of the season. You have one
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: ninth of the season left. There's nothing they can do
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: in that final one ninth to suggest that they are
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: going to be able to call anything. But 2026 is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: a lost cause 14 and four 50 and three possible Nate.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: And can they salvage anything?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: You know what's funny is, no, they can't do it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: But they've made the playoffs twice in this decade. And
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: the first time, they mostly did it because they won
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: 14 games in a row. And the second time, they
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: did it because they went 17 out of 18. They
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: went 17-1 over an 18-game stretch. And otherwise... their seasons
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: were pretty much just kind of plodding along a big
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: boatload of mediocrity, mediocrity, excuse me, just like just like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: most of this season has been. So no, I don't
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: think they can do that, but I think it's worth
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: noting that they have done it before. And in fact,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: it's kind of been what's been required of them in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: order to make the playoffs in the past, because they
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: cannot and will not ever build a truly great roster
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: here in Seattle, as long as the people in charge
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: are still in charge, which they will be forever as
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: far as what they can salvage.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with Chris, man.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: Like, to me, if this season does not play out
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: in some sort of miraculous fashion that ends in at
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: least an American League championship appearance, the future of this
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: organization has gotten much, much darker over the past six
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: months than it was, I think, any time this decade.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: Because I hate to tell you, man, like, sure, I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: like Kate Anderson. I like Laz Montez.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: I like.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: colt emerson i like cole young i don't see these
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: guys being the superstars in the next two to three
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: years that are going to offset for the fact that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: guess what guys that rotation that you had that carry
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: the water for you for the last five years it's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: gone like i know that the guys are here now
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: but kate anderson is probably the only one with better
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: days ahead of him than he has behind him You
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: are going to have to come to grips with that.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: And when you couple that with the fact that this
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: team can no longer reliably produce scrap heap reliever aces,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: and they will never, ever, ever, ever understand how to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: build a complete major league lineup.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're salvaging, man.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: 2027 and through 2029 are contingent upon hitting. the lottery
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: with your prospects. And it's important to remember that even
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: great prospects are lottery tickets. They are not guaranteed stars.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: And that's the only thing this org is going to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: try to sell you in this off season is that
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: all these young kids were doing the next wave of talent.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: They're going to come through and make something great. Don't
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: buy it for a fricking second, man. They dropped the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: bag on a historic level this year. And there are
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: huge questions.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Ahead of them. I want to wrap it up with this.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Montez comes in, has an incredible debut against Boston. I mean,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: just incredible. Two for four, hits a home run, two RBIs.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: And then the next day follows up, gets a hit
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: in the second game, one for five. Okay, we're okay.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Hit a foul ball that almost killed somebody and broke
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: a seat and all that because exit velo. Anders, exit velo. Anyway,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: the next three games he's been over. You're going to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: expect that. There's going to be some growing pains along
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the way with the young guy. We'll see what the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: future holds for him, but I think we've seen probably
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: the last Montez experience all the way through. It's really
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: good or not good. It's yes or no, which is fine.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to give us some moments that
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: would be cool michael arroyo what does he do chris
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: let's say let's let's lean on your expertise here because
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: he's coming up i'm.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Really excited to see how he does because this is
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the type of guy that has no real master trait
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: like there's no like double plus tool here but there's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of above average, a lot of above. In fact,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I would say everything is above average and that gives
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: you a chance to be a really good player, but
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it's also the type of guy too, who has a rookie.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I don't expect a hell hell of a lot of,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I expect some growing pains for him. Even though the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: skillset is high, but when you don't have that carry tool,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: it could be tough to just make that acclimation, but
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: he's someone who's a really good player. I'm going to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: be very curious. I just talked about this on my,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: why that like, it'll be interesting to see what kind
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: of role they're expecting to carve out.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you, what's ideal?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: So ideally he'd be second base, but second base is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: that's done. Cole Young has done more than enough to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: be the starting second baseman. I think he can be
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: a fine third baseman. I think he would be okay
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: there and enough offensive upside there to play there. But
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: he has that kind of skillset where he can play
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of short. He can play second. He
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: can play third. I think he would be fine in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: the outfield as well. So, you know, that, Everybody's looking
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: for the next Ben Zobrist and he doesn't have quite
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: the Ben Zobrist plate skills, but he has the tools
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: to be a very, very good player who hits near
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: the top of the lineup and gives you a four
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: to five wins in his best seasons.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I'm very excited for Michael Arroyo.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, a thousand percent trade bait. In fact, all of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: these guys I think are trade bait. Lazaro Montes, the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: only guy you're not moving is Kate. Like it just
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense unless you're getting an absolute bonafide superstar.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense to give up the cost control,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: and let's just be honest, that's something that matters, and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: the talent of a Kate Anderson, who, by the way,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: has been so much better than the numbers suggest in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: his first three starts, and a ton of bad luck
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: for him, and playing behind this terrible defense, of course,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: as well, doesn't help. But yeah, absolutely trade bait. Montez
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: should be trade bait. Arroyo should be trade bait. Valen Celestin,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: all of these guys, they're the only untouchable I would
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: have in my system is Kate Anderson.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: God, I've got Adam Jones nightmares dancing through my head
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: No, I get it. I get it. Seeing Montez out
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: there patrolling center field at Fenway Park or something.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Don't trade for a Canadian next time. I mean, we've
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: learned our lesson. Don't trade for a Canadian.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: He was French-Canadian. All right. Let's figure it out. Bedard.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Oui, oui. The clock operator forgot that he was French.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and forgot to push the button. Okay. That's good.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: We're good for now. We move on. Gentlemen, Nathan, we'll
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: see you next week. Have a good– no Mariners baseball
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to drive you nuts today. I know. That's good.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: So much peace in my household, let me tell you, man.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: No Mariners baseball to drive me insane. I will say,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: I'm not the prospect nor are there Chris's, but I
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: will say for Mariner fans, I think Michael Arroyo's defense
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: is going to fit in just fine with this year's team.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: So it should be a pretty seamless transition for you guys.
• 1:12:13
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• 1:12:15
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• 1:12:20
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• 1:12:29
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• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: by the way? I can't remember.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I think we lost Chris.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:36
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• 1:13:00
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• 1:13:04
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  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald spoke just a short time ago. There's nothing
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: really we can summarize easier than playing guys saying nothing.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: In fact, he literally told us that he would tell
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: us nothing. Said that right at the start. Staying mom.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Just the way, if you missed it earlier, Greg was explaining,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell, News Tribune, and attended noon here on 93.3
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: KJR FM. Because, it's just such a weird thing, this
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Wednesday deal. Normally this would be a Friday, and you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: would put out an injury report, your final one. Two
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: days before the game. Two days before. You have a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: practice report, and then the final report would come out.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen if they've But they don't have to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: do that because it's, I guess, just goofy. They don't
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: have to do that. So they can wait another day.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: They put one out yesterday, but he wouldn't talk. Emanwuri
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: is still limited. Tai Okada didn't practice again today, according
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: to Greg. So they don't have to do the player status. But, boy,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: it sure appears that they're going to be without Emanwuri
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: and now Tai Okada. And remember Bud Clark, who would
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: be very much in the mix, their second-round pick, out
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: for the season. They did bring back De'Anthony Bell. He's
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Probably about a 99% chance he's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: going to get bumped up to the 53, man. Probably
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: go with... Probably go more veteran with Thomas as well.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Now,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. We didn't do hardcore football today, but
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before with Hugh. Tyrese Knight... They
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: had a great camp, good preseason. They like him a lot.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Even War is a safety only in name, sort of.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: He's a weak side linebacker. He's a linebacker. So maybe
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: we see some more Tyrese Knight on Wednesday. But as
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: far as if you're looking to get any info and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: any intel, you ain't getting it. You ain't getting nothing
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: from Mike McDonald. He doesn't have to, and why would
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: he give anything out there? Because they don't have to
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: on the other side either. Exactly. So we'll wait and see.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: But they're a little beat up in that secondary. That's
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: just not a good situation to have him. He did
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: talk about, according to Greg, Zach Charbonnet says he, quote,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: looks awesome. He's still on the PUP list. He's going
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to have to miss at least the first four weeks.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Probably a little bit more than that. I would think so.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess six weeks minimum.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Because by the time he comes off the PUP, he'll
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: probably get a couple weeks to ramp it up a
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: little bit. We're talking mid to late October.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: If it all goes well. Probably. Yeah. Probably. Probably like that.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: So it's unfortunate, though, that this is not the time
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: of the year to be beat up.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Before your first game.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Substation.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Substation. Substation. They did actually put out– this isn't the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: final one. They did put out an injury report just
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: a second ago. I'll just read it for you real quick.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: As I say that, maybe Greg means the final one
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: comes out tomorrow. Let's see. Wednesday night. First of all,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: let's go with the New England Patriots. Travion Henderson did
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: not practice today, again. Yeah, looks like he's out too. Yep.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Ben Brown, their center, out, neat with a knee. Christian Barmore, D-tackle.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: He's got a knee. Got a knee. He got a knee. Seahawks,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: full participation for A.J. Barner, Anthony Bradford, limited for Nicky Minori,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Torrey Horton, Josh Jones, Julian Neal, full participation. Good. Which
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: is good. Ty Okada, DNP, did not participate. And Emmanuel
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Wilson is full participation.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Am I the only one that gets kind of optimistic
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: about Nicky Minwari being even a partial participant in the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: practice today?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I can't fathom it. I mean, I get it.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: Not even the play this weekend, but I expected it
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: to be longer, like big picture.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the hard thing was is that the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: very first episode of Hard Knocks, you see the guy
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: in a scooter. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: And I want to say, Anders... That aired on a Tuesday,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: and I want to say like on, what, Wednesday or
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Thursday when I was out at camp, and I told you, hey,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: even where he's walking around without a, he's holding his crutch,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: but he's not even using it. So he's not in
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: the scooter anymore. So it was like five days later,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and then he's progressed. But to be, you know, full go,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: they got to make sure that ankle bothered him all year.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Got hurt in that very first game against San Francisco.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the thought process is, listen, we can, He
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: has to be 100% and also feeling 100%. Ernest Jones
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: yesterday to the media guys basically said he's not playing.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, yeah, when he comes back, he's
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: a unicorn or whatever the hell he used the term was.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: So we appreciate Ernest's helping us out with that stuff.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:18:05
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow that comes out. But notable on that, Nicky Manwari Limited.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And the DNP did not practice, did not participate for
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Ty Okada, Seahawks starting safety, along with Julian Lovebeck. So
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: they're a little thin at that safety position. And up
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: front in the box there with Imanwari looking less likely
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: to play as well. For the Patriots, Trevion Henderson led
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: the team with 911 yards rushing last season. He did
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: not practice as well. Hasn't practiced for two weeks. They
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: do have Ramondre Stevenson though. So it's not like they're
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: totally empty in that regard But he was their leading
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  Speaker 1: rusher last season. All right, let's get to our number three.
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  Speaker 1: Ahead of, by the way, Factor Fiction at 235 today.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget, Factor Fiction, 49451. That's coming up at 235.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Sandel, standing by.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: It's time for our Monday visit with Mike Sandoe of
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  Speaker 1: All right, Mike Sandoz back with us again this year
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: on Mondays at 2 o'clock. All Things NFL from The Athletic, theathletic.com.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: And he rejoins us again. I'm thrilled to have him.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Last year we had to wait. We had a shorter show.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: We had so much baseball going on. But this year,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: three hours. I'm like, let's get Mike on week one.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: And away we go through the season. I'm thrilled he
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: agreed to come back and talk to us again every Monday.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: How are you, my friend? Oh, good to be here, Ian.
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  Speaker 9: Looking forward to the season.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I am too. And Mike, it's starting on the traditional
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Wednesday coming up in just 48 hours, my friend. Here
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: we go, right? It's amazing. I love it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 9: I'm going to go out to the game, you know,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: and just really looking forward to it.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be fun. One of the things, so
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: last week, as soon as it happened, I said, oh, man,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to have Mike on Monday. People are
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: asking questions. I don't know the answers. You would know
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: the answers. So let me just, if you can, before
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: we talk about this NFL and this season's NFL, can
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: you walk everyone through the Hall of Fame changes and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: maybe even how that could affect the guys here that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: every Seahawks fan wants to see get into the Hall
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: of Fame? Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 9: You figured something was going to happen after Bill Belichick
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: didn't make it, right? And so that's, I mean, this
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  Speaker 9: is the biggest change since I've been on the committee,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: you know, over 15 years. And that's taking the 50
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: voters and whacking it down to 25. And then, you know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: setting it up so there's not even a senior category anymore,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: which is a strong reaction to last year when basically
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: people voting for seniors didn't disproportionately is why Belichick missed. So, okay,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: I guess that's fixed. No, you can't vote for a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: senior anymore. They'll have to compete against the modern players.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: What's going to be interesting though, is you still have
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: players competing against, you know, the coach and the contributors.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: So what's going to happen is there's going to be
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 9: 13 players who just have to be retired five years
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: as quote unquote kind of finalists. And then there's going
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 9: to be one coach and one contributor. So I would
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 9: imagine this next year, you know, the 13 players will include,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: you know, Rob Gronkowski is a first timer. Adrian Peterson's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: a first timer. Richard Sherman's a first timer and whoever
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: else is back, you know, that's been in the mix
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: before up to 13.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 9: And then there's going to be, I would guess Bill
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: Belichick will be the, the coach. And then, you know,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: the contributor who knows who it's going to be, maybe
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: Robert Kraft, let's just say, but, when it comes down
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: to voting, then you're going to reduce from those 15
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: down to 10 to seven. And when you get to seven,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: you're going to pick six. So I still could see
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  Speaker 9: the possibility of players always tend to beat out coaches
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: and contributors. So I think it's a very difficult, it
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: can be very difficult for a contributor to make it.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: And then the coach will see. I mean, what my
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  Speaker 9: hope is, and I don't know, they haven't announced who's
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: on the new committee that's shrunk, but if I'm on it,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: my hope is that reducing the size will make it
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: easier to just have a good conversation about who's worthy
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 9: as opposed to the old structure, which had one voter
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: from each city of the 32 teams. And it really
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: turned it into kind of, you know, people being super
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: interested in getting quote unquote their guy in. So I
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  Speaker 9: think we need to see how it plays out. There's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 9: so many changes that, you know, there's going to be
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: unintended consequences again.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I would agree. So you haven't found
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: out yet if you're, how long have you been on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: the committee?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: I think 2010 was when I replaced Claire Farnsworth because
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: Claire was moving it to work for CX.com then, and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: he had done it before.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: As that.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: And John Clayton was before him, but Clayton had shifted
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 9: over to an at-large, you know, non-Seattle market, just an
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: at-large spot.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a long time.
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  Speaker 9: I've seen a lot of stuff and, you know, I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: know that there's going to be, still surprises.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So 16 years, you've done it. Well, I listen,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: not just personally for you and knowing you, I, I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: hope you're still on it because I think there's a,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you just mentioned a guy's trying to get
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: their own guys in, you know, our conversations over the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: years in regards to this, you have always had that
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: level head and I hope they realize that. And I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: hope you are part of it.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I think that I love the research, you know,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 9: I do think, I do think the markets can benefit
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 9: from somebody who's more familiar with someone there. But I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 9: think if the committee is doing this job, I mean,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: let's look at everybody and let's, let's, you know, let's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 9: have a good conversation. And that's really what I'm all about.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: I don't want to be in a situation where I'm
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: just trying to get the Seattle guys in, you know,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: if they have a great case, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Sherm's first year. I really, yeah. So Sherm's, Sherm's got
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: a chance. So it's, it's a, but it's a max
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: of one coach per year still.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: That's a max right now.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. And there's a log jam. There's, I mean, Belichick,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: we always talk about Mike Holmgren, obviously Mike Shanahan, right?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a, there's a handful of coaches that
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: you could probably make a good case for all those guys.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think those three, you know, I think Tom Coughlin's,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 9: you know, could be in the mix too. So, you know,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 9: different types of careers, right, where Coughlin and Shanahan have
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: the two Super Bowl wins. You know, Holmgren probably did
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: more going to places and turning them around and then
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: with his hands on the quarterbacks in a way and
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 9: all of that.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know.
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  Speaker 9: There's no clear 100% criteria, but there's, To me, there's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: three or four of those guys who probably need to
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 9: get in, and we'll see how fast they do.
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  Speaker 1: With Bobby Wagner not eligible yet, Richard Sherman probably has
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: the best resume of the 2013 title team. Would you agree?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Earl Thomas is there too. I think
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 9: Sherman helped probably by being Richard Sherman. I mean, he's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: just such a personality, and he's been on doing the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: broadcast and stuff. I do think that helps keep guys–
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: Profile high, and Earl Thomas just kind of disappeared. But
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: I think Earl has a great case, too. I think
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: both of those guys do. Earl, they were both– to me,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: that defense was a little unusual because it was built
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: from the back forward. You know the Legion of Boom.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: It is unusual to have a nickname for a secondary.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 9: It's kind of like the Hogs of the old Washington
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: offensive line way back when.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: That's an iconic group to me to where those– Let's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 9: just face it, Cam Chancellor tipped the field as much
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 9: as anybody, too. Now, he didn't play as long and
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 9: all that, so he may have a harder time. But
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  Speaker 9: I think all three of those guys are complete game changers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Aaron Donald's got it.
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  Speaker 1: He would have been, what, two years into his waiting period.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: He would have just been three years away. But that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: all changed, didn't it, the second he signed the contract?
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  Speaker 6: It did, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So he'll restart the clock for him, which– It's just inevitable.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: He's obviously going in. There's nothing he could do to
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 9: not get in, probably.
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  Speaker 1: I would think so. He just has to wait longer.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I was rooting to see him in there the next
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: three years. I don't know about the rest of this.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I think most Seahawks fans would be, too. Like, come on, man.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Get yourself a can. You don't need to come back
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 9: Wouldn't it be funny if he went to Canton and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: then came back? If somebody could do it that long?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 9: He's got a gold jacket and played.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: But, yeah, he's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of.
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  Speaker 9: Intrigued to see what he can do at this age.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 9: I think it's hard to come back. I think they're
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 9: going to get the worst year of his career from him,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 9: which is still probably really good.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's no doubt. When you talk to execs
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: and people around the league, what is a realistic expectation
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: for him? I mean, it's Aaron Donald who's got this
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: bigger-than-life name, and you know he's been keeping himself in shape.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: He shows the videos all the time, but it's different
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: than playing in a game. What do you think the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: expectations would be for him?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: Uh, that he could be definitely still be a big
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 9: factor and especially if they use them right and bring
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 9: them along to get them ready for the playoffs. You know, I,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 9: I do think that there's, you know, a good boxing
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 9: analogy is just there, there's something called fighting trim, meaning
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: you're in shape. Like it's like football shape versus workout shape.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: And I think we see that with boxers too. You
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 9: come back as a boxer, you may be, you may
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 9: look great, but you got to have some rounds under
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 9: your belt, you know, to, to really get in that,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: elite shape. And I think that's probably true even for
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 9: Aaron Donald, as great as he is. So to me,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 9: there's hurdles for him. Like, does he come back and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: have an oblique injury or just something like that?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 9: Cause he hasn't been playing.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: I think he could be at heightened risk for some
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 9: of those things.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando joining us from the athletic, the athletic.com, the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: NFL page. Weekly visit. Every Monday we'll have Mike on
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: here at 2 p.m. And next week we'll actually have
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: real games to talk about, which we will do. But
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, the quarterback tiers is awesome. We always
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: love when you do that. I don't know if we
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: call it a tiers, but you did an AFC-NFC front
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: office rankings as well with guys around the league. Rams No.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: 1 in the NFC, Seahawks No. 2. Probably not a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: surprise on either count. What were your biggest takeaways when
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: you talked to guys around the league about these front offices? Well,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: You know, it's hard to... not put the Rams up
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 9: there when they get Myles Garrett and Ed Darnold. But
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 9: I think there's, it's going to be, there's always surprises.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 9: So I think that's what, you know, shoot, the Bengals
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 9: had a vote for number two in the AFC and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 9: number 10. You know, there's, where was Seattle a year ago, right?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: There's going to be things that happen that change all
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: of us. I think we're taking a snapshot shot now
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 9: of based on what you know. And so you default
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: a little bit to last season and okay, there's a
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: few changes they made. Who's their head coach, their quarterback,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: who do we trust on their team? And I think
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 9: for Seattle, you're trusting that defense and that coach and,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 9: and you're, you know, you want to see some things
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 9: on offense, but you know, they're going to be good.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: I think the Rams, you know, they were already good.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: And there's this, you know, put them over the top, uh,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: I think on paper it probably does, but okay. Stafford
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: could easily be banged up this season as an older guy, right?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's going to be things that come out
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 9: of left field.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I was thinking the one thing that jumped out at
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: me in the NFC part, I was surprised by San
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Francisco being sixth. And I think, but when I say surprised, low,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: like to me, that's low. And maybe I'm just based on,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, arguably three of the best
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: four teams, five teams would be in the, in the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: NFC would be in the NFC West, but John Lynch
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: and so forth, like what they've done there, they haven't
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: won a title, but they've got close. I was a little,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: that was one that kind of jumped out at me
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: with San Francisco. Dallas ahead of San Francisco is the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: one that jumped out at me.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 9: I totally agree. And I think sometimes the off season
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 9: just needs to end because you start, you know, the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 9: off season kind of reinforces itself as you go without
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 9: any games. And now the 49ers do have issues, right?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: They're an older team and they have some guys that
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 9: are out and they've had a, tumultuous offseason for reasons
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: that may not even affect them. You know, their coach
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 9: had a car accident, their owner, all these types of things. Shoot,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 9: even that guy who was faking to be a player
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 9: to get women to give him money. All those things
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: aren't going to really affect him in the second quarter
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 9: of their week one game. But it kind of piled
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 9: on to the idea that the 49ers are, you know,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 9: nearing the end with this group. So I'm kind of
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 9: with you. I do think, though, that they are close
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: to moving on from this group. And it wouldn't surprise
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: me if they had You know, injuries, Christian McCaffrey led
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 9: the league in touches last year. You know, does he
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 9: hold up? I think those are fair questions, but kind
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 9: of with you, I feel like they're still going to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: be a good team.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. We blame the injuries on the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: substation down there or our friend John Lund from KMBR
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: who joins us every Tuesday. It's all about that. That's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the problem. But I mean, they put together a good roster,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: aging roster. We'll see how it ages. Arizona, by the way,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: for folks, 16th out of 16 in the NFC, probably
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: not a surprise. Going to be a long year there,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: Down in Glendale, Mike?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I would think so.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 9: They do have some young players that if they were
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 9: to come on, come around, you know, they kind of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 9: been waiting on them. You know, Jacoby Bursette's not going
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: to win you much, but he's at least could probably
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 9: run the offense. So, I mean, what's a great year
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: for them winning six or seven games?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: And, and, but if that's the case, nobody wants to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: admit tanking or do tanking, but they got to find
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: the future and probably decent year for quarterbacks in the draft.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: We don't know. We thought it was gonna be a
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: good year for quarterbacks last year in that Obviously, it
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: didn't change. A lot of things can change in college
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: football along the way. I haven't had a chance to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: talk to you since the quarterback tears thing came out.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I know you jumped on with Ashley and Chuck in
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: the morning, but I just want to touch on that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: real fast. I love it every year. For folks who
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: haven't read it, and if you're subscribing to The Athletic,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: and you probably are because you're listening to Funston and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Fantasy Football every week and all the other great stuff
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: they have going on there, Mike's story is still up there.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Explain how the quarterback tears work, and then we'll get
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: into a couple specifics.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so for the last 13 years, I've polled 50
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 9: coaches and executives every summer asking them to take all
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: of the veteran starting quarterbacks and put them in tiers
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 9: from tier one being the best. You could imagine who
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 9: might be in that, Mahomes and Josh Allen, those guys,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 9: Pat Matthew Stafford, two, three, four, you know, on down.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: And then I just average all of those votes. And
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: then we get not only who's in what tier, but
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 9: kind of an order, a ranking of that. So Sam
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 9: Darnold had always kind of been had been kind of
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 9: a tier three quarterback, which is pretty good, but you've
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: got to be really good defense probably and limit how
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: much he throws the ball to win with typically a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: tier three. So he moved into tier two, which is,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 9: I think if you have a tier one or two quarterback,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 9: you feel like you can win the Super Bowl without
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: having the 2000 Ravens defense on your side or some
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 9: amazing defense like that. So that's where he's at in
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 9: the top. whatever, I can't remember what his rank was,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 9: if it was 12, 13, 14, somewhere in there. But,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: you know, well-respected, and yet acknowledging the fact that Seattle
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 9: had a great defense to get there.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's tied for 14th, but he's taken out. He
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: and Drake May moved up as much as anybody last year.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: They're going to face off on Wednesday. And, you know,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: we didn't see, Seahawks fans didn't see the best of
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Drake May. And it's safe to say there's a better
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: version of him out there than what we saw in
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year.
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  Speaker 9: I sure think so, you know. Everyone's talking about, hey,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: they played such an easy schedule last year. I get it,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: but I think a week one game is always a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: little dicey. Seattle has those issues at safety. Seattle has
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 9: been looking for corners. The Patriots add A.J.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 9: I think Drake May looked hurt in the Super Bowl
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 9: to me. He was very limited and just very conservative offense.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: He just didn't do anything. I would imagine they're going
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 9: to get Drake May at the absolute healthiest he's going
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 9: to be all season you know, and they've got something
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 9: to prove. I think he's pretty good. So Seattle's pass
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: rush has to get to him probably to make up
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 9: for whatever's going on in that secondary. That could easily happen,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: but you could see him hitting some plays too.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: What does A.J. Brown do for them?
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, he gives them somebody who, you know,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 9: I think has size and can make the contested catch downfield.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 9: So you have Drake May, who's got pretty good accuracy
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 9: and can also extend plays. I think, you know, that
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: if they can get on the same page with some
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: of those scramble drills, in addition to the over-the-top stuff
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 9: off play action, because they're going to put Drake May
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 9: under center some, you know, he's proven that you can
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 9: throw it to him with confidence down the field.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando with us. Before we go, we spend a
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: lot of time on our show here. We talk and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: we have London and some other stuff, but we talk
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: a lot about the NFC West, rightfully so. Seattle's defending champs, Rams.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: You had McDuffie, Watson, Garrett, and Aaron Donald comes back,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: and they still had the MVP in Stafford. I mean,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: they're loaded. Elsewhere in the NFC, who does Mike Sandel
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: really kind of, are you curious about watching? I'm going
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: to throw a teammate. I think Dallas could be sneaky good.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Their offense was great last season, top five offense, top
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: seven scoring offense. They had the worst scoring defense in
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: the league last year. They've just gutted that thing out,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: added some players. new defensive staff, new first-time defensive coordinator.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of think Dallas might be, and Seattle sees
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: those guys, by the way, Monday, December 4th, I think
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: it is here. I think Dallas could be one of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: those teams that takes a step forward this season. Who
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: do you think could be that team?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Dallas does. I think the Saints are interesting.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: They don't have great depth, and they've had some issues
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 9: injury-wise at wide receiver, but everybody who played them last
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: year came away with a pretty positive outlook on Tyler Shook,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 9: their quarterback. People who didn't play him didn't really know,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: and so that's why I think Shook was not as
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: high in those rankings, but I think that he's got
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: a chance with them. He seems to have the right makeup.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: He was an older guy coming out of college and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: bounced around. I think his draft status hurt because of that,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: but that's somebody with a team that no one's really
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: looking at in an easy division, probably too, where the
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: other teams are not that great. The 8-9 won it
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: last year. It wouldn't surprise me if they did something
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 9: this year, not like a deep playoff run, but just okay.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: They look like a better team than people thought.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Bottom line is we got football Wednesday. We got a
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: hell of a game down under on Thursday with the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Rams and the 49ers, Mike. And then all day Sunday,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: it's here. I can't wait.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's great. it's really, really good.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 9: And like I said, it'd be so fun to be
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 9: at the stadium on Wednesday and just feel that energy
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 9: and excitement and that uncertainty of just not knowing the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 9: first game out.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's go. Let's have it full. We'll be talking
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: actual games and, uh, and, and results next Monday with
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando does a pick six column as well. You're
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: going to check that out on Sunday night, Monday morning,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: and we'll check in with you next week as well. Thanks, Mike.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's Mike Sando joining us from the athletic,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: the athletic.com. This is a great job. And, uh, Interesting stuff.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he clarified that because I see a lot of, hey,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, this is going to be better
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: for Holmgren and this and that. Mike's going to have
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: to wait another year. That's just the unfortunate part of it.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: He's going to have to wait another year. One coach
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: goes in and, like, Belichick not getting in last year,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: that not only was bad for Belichick, it's bad for
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Mike because then this year could be Mike, right? Holmgren.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be. It's more than likely going
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: to be Belichick, especially– When they cut down that list,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: basically slicing it in half in terms of the voters
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and what they're going to do there. I hope Sandoz
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: is still involved. Look at the research he does for
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: the tiers, the front office. He's about as objective as
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: it gets. Loves the process. Takes it serious. Not a
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: beat writer, so he's not covering a team day-to-day. He's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: a perfect guy for that panel.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just thinking about Coach Mike's chances, knowing that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: The reason they made these changes was because of the
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: Belichick situation tells me that that's the guy that's going
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: in this year. They want to make sure that, you know,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: a guy that deserves to be in, obviously, and Bill
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: Belichick will get in. But that's the guy who's going
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: in this year.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll check a couple texts. Yeah,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: we will. And then... Oh, okay. We got some texts? No, no.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for your fact or fiction kind of tease here.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:38:23
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• 1:38:28
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• 1:38:31
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  Speaker 1: All right, we've got some text, and then we're moments
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: away from the first Factor Fiction pick for this show
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: this year. I'll go Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Producer picks on
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and Thursday. So, Anders, you get tomorrow, buddy. You
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: get tomorrow. Excellent. Let's see what I get left with.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: So stand by. Don't text Factor Fiction yet. It won't
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: be until we give you the pick. I know sometimes
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: people just text it randomly. If it's me, they might
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: just text Fiction because, well, it wasn't a great year
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: last year. Leave it at that. Based on my Snoqualmie
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Casino weekend, it wasn't great either. Just started college football.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: Well, considering the fact that your practice text for Fact
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: or Fiction was the Mariners with Logan Gilbert on the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: mound on Friday.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd that turn out for me? Not great. I
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: put my money where my mouth is. Didn't turn out well.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Did not turn out well.
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  Speaker 6: Fiction.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Fiction.
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  Speaker 8: 49451.
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  Speaker 1: All right, to the text we go. Let's see. Can
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Simply Seattle make us some Joyless Suckfest t-shirts so we
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: can at least get something out of this season? What
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: would the logo be for that, I wonder? Joyless Suckfest.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Joyless Suckfest. Someone crying? That's what Chris Crawford is. It
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: might be a picture of, like, Jimothy.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Like, on his back, dead.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, Joyless. And relax, people. It's a raccoon. Okay. Stop it.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Let's see. Let's see. Outside of winning out and then
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: sweeping who they face in the wildcard round, winning the LDS,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: winning the LCS, and going game seven, seven games in
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: the World Series, hell no, there isn't any way the
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Mariners could salvage this season. See, that's the thing.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: I actually agree with this texture because even if the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: Mariners hadn't had this craptastic of a season, if they
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: had lost in the wildcard or even the divisional series,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: I still would have been disappointed in their season.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Really disappointing season, yeah. Here's the problem that I think
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have. you and I probably included.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: I think we started this season with, this is weird,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that they were a playoff team. It
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: was just a question of, can we get to October?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: And what happens in October? The rest of this is
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: just minutiae for the summer. Go look at some hot
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: dogs from heaven. Go enjoy the ballpark and all the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: great things they have going on at T-Mobile. Let's just
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: get to the playoffs because this will be a playoff team.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: And then as the reality set in throughout the year,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: it became readily apparent that this is maybe not a
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: playoff team, or at least It's going to be in question.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Now it feels like it's out of the question. I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: don't know who brought this up. It was you or
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Chris off the air or somebody off the air. Anders,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: if they won eight straight games, they'd still be two
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: games below. 500. They won on an eight-game winning streak.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: That was Chris. Yeah. This is from the 253. I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: usually listen to Molly Whoppers for therapeutic reasons. I'm going
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: to stop right there.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: Wow. Really?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: You need a better therapist, sir.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Actually, I have a lot of people that tell me
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, that's true. If things are good,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: let's celebrate. They want to listen to those guys. If
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: things are bad, they need someone who's going to tell
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: you the truth. Right? That's what they do. I usually
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: listen to the Molly Whoppers for therapeutic reasons. I usually
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: feel better. I totally forgot about this trash team I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: accidentally heard today, and now I'm pissed off again.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: That's Eric in Kitsap County.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: The saddest part is I kind of am feeling the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: similar way that Chris described is like, I should be
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: more angry about this, but I'm not because I just
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: want the season to be done. I'm done. I'm so
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: tired of it. I don't want to watch this team anymore,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: especially me who has to literally watch every single pitch.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's exhausting, man.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: I had last year, which is one of the best
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: seasons in Mariners history, and then I also have this year,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: which is one of the worst seasons compared to expectations.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Compared to expectations, yeah. And that's the big thing a
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people texting in.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, there's way worse years than this year,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: or there's way worse teams that Seattle sports have had
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: than this team.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: The 08 Huskies, right?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Everyone knew they were going to be bad. Right.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: And Tyler Willingham mailed in the season.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: This is different. This is completely different. This is different.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Two more real quick before we go and get ready
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: for Factor Fiction. Jim says, hard to watch team? Half-assed effort,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: not all the time, but consistent enough to turn a
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: fan off. 425, trade Julio as fast as possible. He's
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: a giant problem. He's not a winner. And finally, 206,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't Naylor the guy that brought the fire last year?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: What the hell happened? He got paid and that's it?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: That's a question you've got to ask. You can't come
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: to any other conclusion at this point.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Because he's a completely different personality. When I get funny
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: texts that make me laugh out loud, and it's not
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: even Keith Miller, I've got to read one more before
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: we get to factor fiction. This is from the 253
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: area code. This season for the Mariners has been like
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: waiting for your pizza delivery, and when the doorbell rings,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: you find out it's the Mormon missionaries. Hello, how are
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: you today?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you about the Church of Jesus Christ?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: No. I lived in Salt Lake. Actually, when we get that,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: and like we do, and even though it says no
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: soliciting on our, like most people, I think people just
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: ignore those signs. And if it's my wife, oh my God,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: she'll invite them in.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, where were you? She goes, well, we lived there
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: for six years. Where did you live? Oh yeah, well,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: we lived in West Jordan and Draper. Oh, and then
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: it's a whole conversation. Oh no. Like Tammy, I love you.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: You're one of the nicest human beings on the planet. No.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Stop it. So true. Give him some water. Do something. No.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have this conversation.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: Anders, hit it.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: We're set to go.
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• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: And that will be based on Ian's record last year.
• 1:45:36
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• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: heard of the Seattle Seahawks Football Club? I have not.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Enlighten me. They are what they call the defending Super
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Bowl champions. On February 8th of this year, 2026, they
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: laid a 29-13 beatdown on the New England Patriots. What
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: has happened since that time, sir? Well, the Patriots have
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: had some issues. Their coach, hmm, not a very high
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: morals guy. And it's the same damn defense. Yeah, maybe
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Eamon Warren won't play. Maybe Okada's out. Mike McDonald's a
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: smart man. I scoured around as much as I could.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: And here's what I found. Seahawks, favored by three and
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: a half. My pick is really a simple one. Game one,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: week one, Super Bowl champion Seahawks minus three and a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: half over the Patriots on Wednesday as they raise the banner,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: fact 49451. Do you disagree? Fiction 49451. And I'll tell
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: you right now, if you disagree, you're not a 12.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. It really is. Last time
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks opened up a season at home following a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl win was The only time. It was September
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: 4th of 2014 and they handed the Green Bay Packers
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: a 36-16 loss. Just beat them down. Marshawn doing his thing.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Grabbing his junk into the end zone. Love it. Rushed
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: for 207 yards that game. Seahawks minus three and a half. Fact.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: 49451.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: If you disagree, fiction. 49451. Again, why do you do this?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Whoever has the most correct picks, whether you agree or
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: disagree with the host or producer during the course of
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: the season, whoever has the most picks correct wins a
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: $ 10, 000 grand prize. It came down to the last week
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: last year, right? The last few years, it's been really close.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I remember last year, you just grinding through it like,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: oh my God, there's like eight guys that can win it.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: It's true. So you want to get as many picks
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: in as often as you can, a max of 20
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: per week. We've already had a couple picks earlier today,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: just as an FYI. Chuck took the easiest pick of
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: the week. Rams minus 2.5 against the Niners. Why is that?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: That feels like a really low spread, doesn't it? Yeah. 91%
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: of you guys agreed with him. Greg Bell, in a
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: stunning development, took Army under minus 48.5. Leans into the bit.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Leans into it. I'm giving you Seahawks minus 3.5 favorites
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: to beat the New England Patriots, and they're going to
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: beat their ass and beat them down bad. I like it.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Fact49451 if you agree.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: Fiction49451.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: 49451 if you disagree. You would text back? I would
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: text back, yeah.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: I think I am probably slightly less confident than a
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: lot of other Seahawks fans are about this game.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: Not at 12.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're going to lose.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to lose.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's as foregone of a conclusion that
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: they come out and dominate just like they did in
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. We've seen this happen a lot where...
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: The team that wins in the bigger game, and then
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: they have the rematch, and the team that got pounded
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: comes and puts together a good fight because they felt
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: embarrassed from the last game. But I do think the
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: better team is Seahawks by a large margin, and the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: distraction that is their head coach and his.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Goings-on in the offseason. Goings-on. Hanging out with Boom Boom Rossini. Yeah.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Will definitely kind of prove to be not good for them. Well,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: the only two things that would concern me slightly would
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: be the following.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 7: A.J.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: Brownfactor. Yeah. And banged up secondary for Seattle.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Number two would be the following. Jason Myers. That would... That, that, that, that...
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: That one.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't care. It's a kicker. I'm not going
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: to worry about kickers. Can't worry about a kicker.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: Let's also think about the fact that zero Seahawks starters
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: played in the preseason. This is their preseason game.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: That's fine.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: All good.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Minus three and a half. I would have thought, I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: would have been a little more hesitant if it got
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: up in the five and a half, six range. But
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't going to do that. First game. Yeah. Seahawks
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: minus three and a half.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: Fact.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Four, nine, four, five, one. If you disagree, fiction. Four, nine, four, five, one.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: But if you disagree, just move to Dallas or something.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: All right. Be that guy. You go hang out with Lund.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Hang out with the substation for a while. I'm not
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: a true Seahawks fan. Seahawks minus three and a half. Fact. 49445.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I guess there would be people. I can see this happening. Hedging.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Some hedgers. Don't do that. Don't do that. You'll regret it.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: I hate hedging. Don't hedge. You can chase. Don't hedge.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Trust me. Nobody chases more. Nobody chases more than me.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Nobody needs to chase more. That's probably true as well.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: All right, one more time. Seahawks minus three and a half.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Text FACT to 49451. If you disagree, FICTION to 49451.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Just a real quick thing, all joking aside. If you
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: misspell the word... then it doesn't register. If you spell
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: it correctly, fact or fiction, you will get a bounce back.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: If you don't get a bounce back... He's testing it now, guys.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: I am texting. I would say... Hang on. Make sure
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: it happens. I'm sure it is. I don't want to
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: see a couple ones that came in earlier. And whoever
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: texted fat, I don't like you. I got a bounce back.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: If you get a bounce back, your vote has been registered.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 6: If not.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: It has not been registered. Simple as that. I kind
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: of want to beat the 91% of Chuck earlier. Pretty close.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: 91% is one of the highest I've ever seen. That's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: the highest I've ever seen.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Like I said, that's the easiest pick of the week.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: It's the first pick of the week. At 335, Softie, Fane,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: and Jackson will complain about having the last pick of
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: the day. They always do. In fact, they'll probably do
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: it when we get back. I'm sure they will. That's next.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Seahawks minus three and a half.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: Facts.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 6: Four, nine, four, five, one.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: Is the window still open, Anders? Yes, it is.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Hello, Softy. How are you?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, hi.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Hi, how are you?
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: How are you?
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Four, nine, four, five, one. Facts. What do you think?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Seahawks minus three and a half. Fact. You're at the
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Emerald Queen Casino. You going to put a little juice
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: on that game? What do you think?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, that half a point kind of
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: freaks me out a little bit there, pal.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Afterwards, I started thinking about Jason Myers freaking me out
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit, to be honest with you.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're regretting that pick already, aren't you?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Nope, not at all.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: I can tell in your voice.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 8: I can tell in your voice. Anders, do we have
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: the Google Doc set up, the page where we can
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 8: check all the picks?
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, we do. I sent it on Friday.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: Do me a favor. Send it again, will you?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Look in your email. Look in your email.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: Go to Friday where I put out all the information.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 8: I want you to send it to me again directly. Actually,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: can you print it up and bring it down here
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: to the Emerald Queen?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: That'd be great. Drive on down there. Let's do that.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Why the hell?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: He wants a hard copy, huh? He wants a hard copy.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I feel good about that. I think they're
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: going to win. I mean, again, the half point would
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: kind of freak me out a little bit, but I'm
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: all good with that pick.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: So what the heck?
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: What the heck?
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, it feels like because we're at the Emerald
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 8: Queen here on a Monday afternoon that we should be
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: here for a Monday night game.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got college, right?
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but I'm talking about Monday night NFL football. This
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: is the last week of the year without Monday night
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 8: football tonight. Because it starts in a week.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Who's the game next Monday?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: Chargers and somebody. Is it Chiefs, by the way? Is
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 8: it Kansas City, L.A.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: Is that who it is?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: Let me look it up on my app.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: Not that you can't find it yourself.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Riveting radio right here. Broncos Chiefs, you're correct, sir.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: Broncos Chiefs.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: Hey, this is, you know what, whatever this was, it
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 8: was better than you trying to figure out your phone
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 8: system last week.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: I still haven't figured it out. Still haven't figured it.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: Out, buddy.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 8: That was the worst radio I've ever heard in my life.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 8: I hear my show every day.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: It's true. It can't be the worst radio. I'll send
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: you some texts on worse ones. Congratulations on the Apple
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Cup win, sir.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: Hey, thanks, man.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was really fun. That was like two bums
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 8: fighting over a quarter in that game yesterday. I mean,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: I was underwhelmed by the Washington performance. We'll talk about
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 8: that here in a minute on our show. Coming up
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 8: at three, but Man, I tell you what, it was
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 8: toasty down there on the sideline, pal.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: A little warm for you, huh?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: Very toasty.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: A little warm for you.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: Forgot my SPF 800 for the game.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: How was day one on the sideline, sir?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: It was good.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: You've done it before, right? Haven't you done it before?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a couple times. Never as the permanent guy.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the real guy. The official dude, man. You didn't
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: get hit by any shrapnel when Jeb threw a fit
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of the first half, did you?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: Oh, that wasn't a fit. I've seen fits. That wasn't
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: a fit.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: That wasn't bad? Okay. No, that was nothing. How was it?
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: Throwing the headphones down? Come on, that's nothing.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: Now, did you get him on the interview, on walking off?
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we got him at the end of halftime coming back.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: Out of the locker room.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 8: So TV does it going in, and we do it
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 8: going out.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: Which is a blessing and a curse for us because,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: you know, I mean, if the guy's going to call
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: the offense embarrassing, I'd like to have that on.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: Our air versus TV's air.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: Number one. But then number two, he's also a little
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: bit more calm.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 8: Right, when he's walking out of the locker room versus
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: going into the locker room. I would have loved to
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 8: have seen his reaction when he walked right into that
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: locker room at halftime. Did he punch a hole in
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: the wall? Did he grab somebody by the throat? Did
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 8: he fire somebody? Take away somebody's scholarship? What happened there?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: What happened?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Scholarship doesn't matter anymore. You just take some NIL money back.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, for $ 4 million, I think you'd expect
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 8: more from DeMond Williams. I mean, your guy is making $ 250, 000,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: but did the.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: Best he could.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: There was obviously a gap. There's no doubt about that, but...
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 8: I've got to tell you, I thought the Cougar fans
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 8: that were there were loud as hell.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: So kudos to them. Kudos to them.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: I thought DeMond showed a $ 4 million move on that
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: third down play.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, the run? Yeah, that was amazing.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's honestly, there's like three guys in the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: country that do that.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: And I'm not one of them.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: No, I know. But I was like thinking, okay, there's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: a shot. Just get a stop here. Just get a stop.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: And then, whoop.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: Well, you saw in a lot of ways the good
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 8: and the bad of DeMond Williams on Sunday afternoon. I mean,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: the good would be, you know, that run that you
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: talked about, some of those throws he made in the
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 8: fourth quarter, obviously.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: Showed a lot of toughness.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, there was a play where he got crunched
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 8: by two different Cougars and completed a pass in the
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: fourth quarter. I forget the 85-4 or whatever, whatever their
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 8: numbers are, names are, but, you know, popped up and
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 8: survived that. And then he missed two wide-open guys in
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: the end zone on each side of the lake. You know,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: Chris Lawson on one side and Rasheed Williams on the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 8: other side, so.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man. I mean, I think they have
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: a long way to go.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: That performance that we saw yesterday, that better get cleaned
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 8: up by week five against USC.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: Well, the good news is you have an exhibition game
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: this week because Utah State just lost to the arguably
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the FCS over the
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: last ten years.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, I saw that.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: That should be old Bronco Mendenhall and company. That's a
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: bad one. That is a bad one.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: Do you know Scott Gerrard, by the way? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: He's the radio voice of Utah State.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 6: We're going to have him on later in the week.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: Worked with him at the Zone down in Salt Lake.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: I'll tell him you said hello. Tell him I said hi.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: What's coming up today?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: Bill Kruger will join us at 5 tonight. Hugh Melvin
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: a little more at 4. Was he on your show,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: by the way, today, Hugh?
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: No, we didn't have him. There's no game to break down.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: We do Seahawks.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 6: Well, you could have broken down the Apple.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: I want to know part of that.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: If you had won, would you have broken it down?
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: No. No.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Just checking. No, I'm going to stay consistent. He'll be
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: on at 4 o'clock. He'll be on at 4 o'clock.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: All right, bud. All right, see you, bud. See you, bud.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 9: For the mild-mannered and marginally objectionable Ian Furness, this is
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 9: Paddle Day saying so long, everyone.