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Fraud Friday: LulaRobbed!: The Lawless Legging Company w/ Georgia Hardstark · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation is your girl? Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: older episodes from the Scam Goddess Bault. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming, Scam, Come rob from scam,
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  Speaker 1: come rob froll scam Goddess. What's poppin congregation is your
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  Speaker 1: girl Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess, And we're back for
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  Speaker 1: another installment of Yes you guessed It, Scam Goddess, the
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  Speaker 1: show when we break down cons, robberies, and frauds and
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  Speaker 1: all those who perform them. This is a theater, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very what Yes, I'm excited, I truly, like I
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  Speaker 1: always say, I'm excited, but j'ah know, I'm I'm hype.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna add a hype to this one, okay, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get this guest. I love her
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  Speaker 1: podcast and I have been so oh gosh, just stalking
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  Speaker 1: to get this. I'm just chopping at the bit. Today
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  Speaker 1: we have podcaster host of my favorite murder and co
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  Speaker 1: founder of the podcast network Exactly Right Media, Georgia Heartstar. Recently,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia's podcast network launched Waiting for Impact, a Dave Holmes
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  Speaker 1: passion project. Hey Dave. It's a ten part limited series
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  Speaker 1: where Dave tracks down the little known boy band Sudden Impact,
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  Speaker 1: who was first introduced to us by the Boys to
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  Speaker 1: Men Motown Philimodawn phil music video, but they're never seen again.
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  Speaker 1: Where did they go? Congregation? Please welcome Georgia hart Stark Lazy.
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  Speaker 2: So good to be here. I'm obsessed. I'm so excited
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  Speaker 2: to talk about this. My favorite topic scam.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh. And I just want to say,
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  Speaker 1: like your y'all's intro is also one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 1: People always comment on the intro of our podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: say our leg it's not me, but my podcast always
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  Speaker 1: like it's a congregation. I love it, Yes, yes, and
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  Speaker 1: legally you always need a collective us to put back
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  Speaker 1: to you know, but I don't know who did that.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly must have been us by us, US, including everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, but I love y'all's intro. It's so chill massive.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I know, Karen did it?
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  Speaker 2: And she like did it as a like a first draft,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, great, that's it, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, okay, yeah, it's easy. Yes, it's how
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  Speaker 2: it turns out right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, I have to ask you, do you have
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with scams. I've ever been scammed? Do you
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  Speaker 1: like scams? What's what's your vibe with scams?
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  Speaker 2: As far as I know, Thank goodness, I'm just an observer.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been scammed. But the thing is, I'm really gullible.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm actually shocked. And maybe I just don't know
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  Speaker 2: that I've been scammed before, but I've definitely done the
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  Speaker 2: little things where like I there was one time where
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  Speaker 2: I I applied for a job that I really really
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  Speaker 2: needed and then came back and they were like, great,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to be in line with the Church
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  Speaker 2: of Scientology if you want this job. Little things like
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  Speaker 2: that that. I was like, okay, no, but.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just said no, I want to say it crazy
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  Speaker 1: now And this I guess I.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't need it as bad as I thought I did.
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  Speaker 2: But I am really gullible. I'll buy all the things,
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  Speaker 2: I'll fucking do all of that stuff. So I'm actually
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  Speaker 2: shocked I haven't fallen for a scam yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yo, your faux algorithm really listens to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh girl, wait too long on a next time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'll buy the subscription, all right. You say
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  Speaker 2: that that's the best like vitamin C serum in the world,
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  Speaker 2: I'll buy it. Like it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: I'll rub them creams on my face. Listen, I will
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  Speaker 1: rub a cream Okay, any kind of cream. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: keep me moist, keep me young, yeah, please God, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like the scam maybe or the cult of Botox,
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  Speaker 2: the cult of Philip. Like, I'm just there. I'm there,
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  Speaker 2: why not?
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I spend my evening slathering myselves and creams,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm right there with you. Whatever they say is
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  Speaker 1: going to work. I'm like, yeah, put it in my veins.
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  Speaker 1: Where does it? It's gonna make my toe look younger? Yeah, promise, okay,
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  Speaker 1: give it to me. I'm trying to get my wiki
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  Speaker 1: fed up. By the way, y'all, please go give me
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  Speaker 1: five stars a wiki because your girl, that.
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  Speaker 2: Is my obsession. And my husband gets to uptight with
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  Speaker 2: me because like I post photos of I have my
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  Speaker 2: cats have an Instagram account my puppy, and they're always
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  Speaker 2: sitting on my feet and looking adorable, and so I
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  Speaker 2: always post these photos and he's like, you're You're like
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  Speaker 2: asking for it, and I have a wiki feet and yours.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like that's the one thing where
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm self conscious about a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things, but I'm like, my feet are cute.
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  Speaker 2: Like that is the thing that I'm like, Okay, you better.
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  Speaker 1: Have some popp and toes are not cute. My feet
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  Speaker 1: are not cute. My feet looks like I've been dancing
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  Speaker 1: in bricks, know, doing the on glass. Yeah, I'm shocked
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  Speaker 1: that I have a decent score. It's like four and
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  Speaker 1: like a little sliver of the fifth. But y'all go
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  Speaker 1: run it up.
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  Speaker 2: I know everyone's five stars for Lady and Georgia. Please
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  Speaker 2: on wiki feed rate review, subscribe to our wiki feet, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess I should tell you to do that to the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Please podcast but also feet, but also feet, but more
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  Speaker 1: importantly fate.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I love what we get a guest on
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  Speaker 1: that says that they're like a little gullible. I also
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  Speaker 1: know that is a free advertisement to the congregation, and
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  Speaker 1: they will try to rob you all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I give you my social Security number, yes, and.
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  Speaker 1: Your driver's license as a funny bit. You sing it? Sure,
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  Speaker 1: I should just sing a song. Do you know your
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  Speaker 1: social Security number? Can you sing that?
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  Speaker 2: One?
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  Speaker 1: One?
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  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven? Cars?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Right? Cars for kids has always disturbed me. Why
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  Speaker 1: is it a k in front of the cars?
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  Speaker 2: We never need that, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Remun kids in the cars?
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Give children cars.
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  Speaker 1: Give children cars. So let's get into our first segment.
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  Speaker 1: This is called What's Hot and Fraud. This is where
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  Speaker 1: we warn our listeners about a popping scam and the zeitguys,
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  Speaker 1: and more often than not, we get a letter from
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  Speaker 1: one of y'all in the congregation. As always, snitch on
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  Speaker 1: your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is
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  Speaker 1: retired so we don't what Yes, fuck up your bag?
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  Speaker 1: Scam got his pod at gmail dot com and I
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  Speaker 1: need a fake name, Georgia. We don't care about gender, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Skyler Skyler? Oh, I like that. I like Skyler, goes
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  Speaker 1: with anything, goes with anything. So Skyler Skyler says, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gay and grateful. Okay, Amen, that's right. That's all how
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  Speaker 1: you wrote it, But that's how I'm said. I'm gay
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  Speaker 1: and grateful. Amen. So I'm gay and grateful because today
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  Speaker 1: I did not get scammed, but an attempt was made.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and then also some nice stuff. Oh you're really sweet, Skylar. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so onto the scams.
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  Speaker 2: Parsis.
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  Speaker 1: So I was being a little thought today, minding my
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  Speaker 1: business on grinder talking to boys, when this beautiful man
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  Speaker 1: hit me up. He was hot, but not so hot
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  Speaker 1: that I was thinking he was out to get me. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so medium hot medium.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that when like a guy had ton you
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  Speaker 2: and he's so beautiful and you're like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: That's me at least like my self esteemed probably isn't
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  Speaker 2: high enough that I'm like a like model would hit
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  Speaker 2: on me?
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  Speaker 1: Is that total?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, honestly, like if you too fine, that's too much
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  Speaker 1: a fine ass leaving the house off time and a
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  Speaker 1: throws of people throwing themselves at you. I like medium, ugly, like.
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  Speaker 2: I'm cute and quirky, but I'm not a model, and
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  Speaker 2: I am aware of that, so like, what are you? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Not okay, it's hard though. I once stated a really
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  Speaker 1: aggressively hot man and he was dumb as a rock child.
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  Speaker 1: He thought Atlanta was a state. I'm not even playing, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Sin, when you didn't struggle a little bit as a child,
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  Speaker 2: because you had some awkward years and you don't. You
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  Speaker 2: never had to like build up your personality in your brain.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have to read books. You say, everyone
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  Speaker 2: gave you everything. Why would you try.
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  Speaker 1: Right, why would you hide that sexy ass face behind
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  Speaker 1: a book? You gotta hold them up to your story.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone just wants to see your face.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, must be nice. So so he's like, okay, medium hot.
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  Speaker 1: You know that looks like you're trying to scam me, right,
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  Speaker 1: So we chat for a few minutes and he sends
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  Speaker 1: me nudes. Okay, well this is grinders. So I know
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  Speaker 1: y'all really don't especially Yeah, it's I've been with people
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  Speaker 1: for years. They ain't getting a picture on my booty hole.
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  Speaker 1: That's reserved from Mark Zupper.
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  Speaker 2: That's reserved for whoever has to fix my phone at
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  Speaker 2: the Junia spar Who gets to see this like tasteful nude.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not like a like a nip whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I love that for you. I really don't send nudes
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  Speaker 1: just because I remember there this one guy who always
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to send him a nude And so one
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  Speaker 1: time I took a picture on my face and then
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  Speaker 1: I drew a stick body on it with some big
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  Speaker 1: old did is in a moood. I was like, here
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  Speaker 1: you go, this as close as you gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: Hell and yah, I loved like I love the turning
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  Speaker 2: down of the news. Once in a while, when I'm
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  Speaker 2: bored in bed, I'll and my husband's watching TV, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just send him a funny nip, like a funny one
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  Speaker 2: that's spicy.
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  Speaker 1: I like the relationship spi.
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  Speaker 2: And then I forgot to lead it smart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, then your phone is very not safe for work.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. It always comes up when you're like looking
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  Speaker 1: for something with friends, and it was like hold on
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  Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh nothing, Auntie, George is fine,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: Your nephew was like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Do, Georgie, you got games on your phone? And he
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  Speaker 1: open his lapt it's just one nipple. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I want to play roadblocks. Is they got some Auntie nip?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, it's natural, free the nipple, So he
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  Speaker 1: says the news. At this point, I'm like, all in,
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  Speaker 1: when can we meet He asked to see some more
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  Speaker 1: pigs of me, so I sent him my high quality,
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  Speaker 1: finest naked photographs. Then he asked me for my numbers
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  Speaker 1: so we can exchange videos. Okay, well damn, why should
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  Speaker 1: I just meet up at this point? Go send a
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  Speaker 1: whole poem over free porn. Right, they got a hub
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  Speaker 1: for that. So this is where it all went sideways.
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  Speaker 1: My phone lights up with twenty plus photos from him,
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  Speaker 1: so I opened the messages, ready to see some ass. Nope,
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  Speaker 1: So love the way you wrote the skylar.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. That's a great writer right there.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he went to my Instagram, linked on my grinder
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  Speaker 1: and scream shotted, screamshat.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: He scream shot all the people I follow oh no, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and was now sending me all the screenshots of those,
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  Speaker 1: as well as screenshots of my nudes and our chats,
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  Speaker 1: threatening to message them all of this unless I send
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  Speaker 1: him three hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's all, it's like that simple.
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  Speaker 1: Also, like I don't, that's not how black mail work.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'll send you three hundred dollars now, then I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to keep sitting you three hundred time you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you want to send in my booty hole
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  Speaker 1: to mys.
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  Speaker 2: What I've never understood is like they still have it,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're willing to do three hundred, then you're
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  Speaker 2: probably willing to do more.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. I feel like this would become a regular occurrence, like, hey, yes,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't want this booty hole, go on to
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  Speaker 1: your auntie.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm a couple bucks short run this month. Remember
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  Speaker 2: how I own your life? Okay, So what happened? I
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  Speaker 2: have to like this is my biggest nightmare, Like not
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  Speaker 2: that I send out this kind of thing, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Right extorting you. Yes, so it says they didn't just
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  Speaker 1: want three hundred dollars in cash, but a three hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars iTunes gift card. Now, now why you bring stew
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  Speaker 1: jobs in it is?
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  Speaker 2: It's like you just what is? Yeah? You just need
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  Speaker 2: to download Motown Philly? Like what are you? You need
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  Speaker 2: to have a singles? I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be ready for the Nerehanna album whenever it.
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  Speaker 2: Drops, like I have nothing to work out too lately,
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  Speaker 2: So can you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, right, I need some movies for the airplane,
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: so either send me three to his gifts right right?
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, so the person said that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have three hundred dollars to give. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is messy, but one, I don't have three hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars to give. Two they were good nudes. Leak them.
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  Speaker 1: To get ahead of it. I did post on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: what was happening in case any of my friends got
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  Speaker 1: unsolicited nudes the gag. A couple people offered to send
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  Speaker 1: me money to see my notes. Oh that scammer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, this is exactly what I always thought, is like,
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  Speaker 2: get ahead of it, post the fucking photo yourself, make
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  Speaker 2: a joke about it. I'm like, who cares? But it's
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  Speaker 2: a naked like everyone's trying to hook up. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 2: how hard it is like these days to hook up.
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  Speaker 2: No one's gonna judge you because you sent a nude
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  Speaker 2: or a video to someone you thought was hot, Like,
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  Speaker 2: who fucking cares.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if they were good taste.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Like I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Pad of yours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the celebrities when they hacked their phones, like I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like leak their own news because they're like
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna come out anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, I just don't see the big deal about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the body. I mean, I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to have my pussy on on on Beyonce's Internet. Absolutely not,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not like volunteering in any way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how to get on the internet now,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't be having all that.
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  Speaker 2: But and that's why you just need to make sure
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  Speaker 2: you have tasteful nudes. You know, nothing you wouldn't want
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  Speaker 2: your grandma to see, and.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put your face in it or tattoos any identifying markings.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: And you can easily go on airbrush and wipe out
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  Speaker 1: a mole or something that would give it away to you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're good. Yeah, it's like you've been doing this
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  Speaker 2: for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I don't send news, but if I did, right,
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  Speaker 1: you've heard them. So he was like, all right, whatever, right,
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  Speaker 1: you need this camera some going. So he texted me
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  Speaker 1: from four different numbers for about thirty minutes before going silent,
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  Speaker 1: so clearly he had given up. He said he was
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  Speaker 1: going to ruin my life by sending them. But it's
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  Speaker 1: just my naked body and I'm not ashamed. And thankfully
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  Speaker 1: I have no professional contacts on Instagram. Please let your
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: lgbt QIA plus congregation. No to be careful sending nudes
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  Speaker 1: on grinder. People are messy out there. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: the show, Oh, thank you more nice step love you Skyler.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that is.
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  Speaker 2: That's a triumph story, you know, right, that's like twists
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  Speaker 2: and turns and I and like it comes out as
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  Speaker 2: a happy ending and like yeah, I'm like god him,
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  Speaker 2: and you're like good enough that other people want your nudes,
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  Speaker 2: like I applaud you.
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  Speaker 1: Skylet must be fine. Skylet must be fine. Because the
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  Speaker 1: girls weren't daming him, like, oh my god, Skylar, that's
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: so try. I'm so sorry do this. They were like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so don't send up to me or should I got
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  Speaker 1: just pay to get him?
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  Speaker 2: I feel I feel like you've now found your next
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  Speaker 2: hookup in your friend group. Turns out you have friends
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  Speaker 2: that have crushes on you time, right or.
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  Speaker 1: Skyler get the only fans propping clearly?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah do it. Oh I'm such a champion for that, right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for him. This is a great ending.
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  Speaker 1: But I love that the scammer just gave up and
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: didn't do the black mail, because that's the thing about blackmail. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so are you gonna do the black mail? You're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna get no money, so right, you're just gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it to.
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  Speaker 2: Be mean, it's probably like all day and it's like
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  Speaker 2: worth a half an hour each and if it's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen within a half an hour and move the
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  Speaker 2: fuck on, or you're like you know, time is money, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll finishing returns exactly. And this is a
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  Speaker 1: job he's probably on there. He's like all right, eight
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  Speaker 1: hours on grinder, Yeah, hitting everybody up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's sad.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: And I will say that, like, even though I think
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: that this is a scam that could definitely work for
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: anybody of any sexual orientation, who should all be very
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: careful news, there's something very particular about grinder because it's
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: a place where you know a lot of mostly gay
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: men get on and gay men move different than the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: rest of us, Like they'd be like, all right, hi,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: how would afternoon? Here's a pick of my whole Yeah,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: oh refreshing, real fix.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that that your point of take
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: out any identifying features is like the way to do it,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: because I'm super not anti nudes, honestly, like do your thing,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: but like take out identifying features. It's so smart like
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: all they want is a dick pic.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: So exactly. And I'm not saying there aren't conservative, good
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Christian gays out there. I'm just saying the one the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: people will be on grinder, be there to grind. They're like, okay,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: say you actually twenty seven feet away from me? Are
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you an apartment next door?
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It's a little too far, so sorry now, yeah exactly.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Oh I love it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love this for you, Skyler. I'm glad you
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: didn't get scammed and stuck to your guns. We always
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: say this on this show. Y'all don't do the blackmail, like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: because when somebody blackmails you, gets what they gonna keep
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: blackmail at you. Now it's black FedEx. They gonna be
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: doing it every day.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: The post office is out at this point, and you're
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: fuck right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You get black ups, Toney, they come in, what can
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: what can brown do for you? What can black do
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: for you? Black mail?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: It's so scary out there, right.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: That's also like, how would you know, because that's a
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: typical conversation on that eppisode. You wouldn't even think like, oh,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: this is weird that they sent me news so fast.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: You'd just be like hell yeah, like and they look good. Yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oh damn, I'm sorry sorry to that sexy man that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: she didn't get your black mail. But I'm sure you
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: got a few other people that day. Oh yeah, Scarce God,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: it's time for my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwings. Oh Georgia,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: you just really brought some lights. I had a long
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: day of work and I'm just so excited right now. Oh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to be with you.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: This is like to be with you on the internet.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: The coolest, coolest topics, the coolest podcast you're around.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. Okay, guys, y'all have been dming me, tweeting me,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: emmailing me. I think I got a letter from the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: postman as well about this. You might have hit up
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: my mama, damn. Okay, we're talking about Lula row you
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: wanted it, we got it, leggings, Pumpkin spice, leggings for all. Okay,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: so today we're talking about iconic leggings company and Clothier.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Okaylin Clothing air Is that a word?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Shout up to my researcher, Kaylin Brandt Clothier. Oh, I'm
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: saying that right, is it? Cloth Clothier, South Funner Clothier.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Y'all will tell.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Us it's fake. Whatever it is, it's fake and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: don't buy it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And I love it. It's fancy. I'm gonna start saying that, yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I got these from my cloth air. I can't get
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: this shit everywhere.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, this is I'm really excited about
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: this because I don't know a lot about it. I
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's I feel like I have missed
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: out on a lot of these multi level marketing scams
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: because I'm not friends with anyone I went to high
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: school with, because I hate the town I grew up.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So I laughed and was like goodbye, Like not even
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: on Facebook, so I really don't get like, I don't
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: get sold these things.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Damn not even on Facebook. Look, I let the girls
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: from high school see me on Facebook, and I had
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: my Instagram just post automatically. So I was class president.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So I had to throw the check her reunion and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: why not throw the reunion? And child I was so
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: damn tired. I had went to Texas, looked at the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: video with my VP also best friend shout out to Sharen.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: But then I didn't realize that when I booked my
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: flight off cheap, I wear yeah that come they I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: thought it was booked. I don't ever open flights when
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: they come into email because I'm like, I need to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: be able to find it later.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So the night before I'm packing my little bag to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: go down here and see the girls, and I realized
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the flight confirmation that I thought was a confirmation was
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: actually cheap obing, like, oh hey, girl, we actually don't
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: got that flight no more. Your car wasn't charged.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: That is not an email. That is a phone call.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, call confirmed and then you shoot me an email.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: He opens their emails from the flight, just like.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Sending me a letter to talk about girl, your house
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: is on fire, Like, I don't think you need to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: talk to me a little quicker than that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But see, you notre popular like in Texas too, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: feel like you can be pot I'm from Orange County
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and I and I hated it, and so I don't
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: talk to anyone from there.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Sick. Oh see I hate you. Don't talk to Lauren.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And I also got Elizabeth with the Z and I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: talk to Elizabeth with the I don't talk to Elizabeth
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: with it like whatever, I don't so.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: With a J. We don't know how it's silent. It's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just don't worry about it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It fucking works. She's rich, So I don't know a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: lot about Lula.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Lula l LaRoe. Yes, Lula Roe.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So yes, I'm excited too. But yeah, that little tangent
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like so my high school friends, I was not popular
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in high school. I was powerful, and there is a difference.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I just ran everything, so that's why people knew me. Yeah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I was a prom queen. I was over there, like
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: getting the tierras together and making sure the boats was in.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You know, that's that's way better. That's but I said
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: all that to say the thing, because it's funny that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: she said, like, okay, you don't fuck with the OC people.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: When I didn't make it to the reunion, my best
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: frissioning put me on FaceTime to be like, oh, oh
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: my god, no, and why does she move me on FaceTime?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: If somebody from high school was in a bank talking
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: shit about me, They're like, so she just planned this
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: whole thing and she couldn't even bother to show up, and.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, fuck that in high school. It's high school
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: all over again ten years.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Right right now, and now I'm on TV a little bit,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: so they think I would go on Hollywood. I'm like, honey, no,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: we haven't. I just I'm dumb enough that I've did
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in a book, a flight, I know a little bit
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like Georgia. I know you knew. I'm sure your hometown
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: will be like, yeah, i know, Georgia. You have says
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: period together.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Every time I like a girl,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: A lovely girl comes up to me in public and
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, I love your podcast. Every time, I get
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: giddy because it does. It's like a cult. It's the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: best it is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It's also shocking to me because I probably get recognized
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: more for my podcast than anything I've done on TV,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: which I'm always like, but I don't see me on
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the but I guess I know, isn't it weird.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: It's because they know you, like your personality, and I
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: love y'all.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I love when y'all come up and say, what's up,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: so guys to Lulu row because I know some of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: y'all are screaming at the air pods or radio or
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: however the fuck you listen to this like bass. If
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: y'all don't get all with get y'all read two sentences
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and then we went on like a ten minute tangent.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: All right, Lulu row, maybe I'll put an episode marker
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in here so i'll know where to start. No, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: won't do that. You'll suffer. So do not skip.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Do not skip the fucking point.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Let's panter right, it's good, so here we go. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Luluo has been at the center of controversary for its
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: business practices, product quality, and inability to take responsibility for
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: its wrongdoings. The company, known for lavish employee cruises and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: star studied conventions, has been sued over fifty times since
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it's founding. I'm surprised I haven't been.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Sued more, actually knocked out many for a huge company.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Right and click on that star studyed conventions. So I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: trying to see. I want Georgia to see what these
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: legings is given, because honey, yes, please, they're getting Party City,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: they're giving Halloween.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So this is actually a little video of one of
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the conventions. So I want you to see a little
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: bit of this video of the convention because there's very
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: much a cult like atmosphere, Like why do they look
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: like they're about to do a concert? Is this about
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to be a Beyonce cancer. Why are y'all on this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: stage with this light airy?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: She looks scared a little.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So they also wrote the celebrities, and we'll get to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: more of that, but like they would have these conventions
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and they would have celebrities come and perform. So I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: think Katy Perry came Kelly Clarkson, which if you're talking
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: about Middle America white women, Oh, they got the right ones.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm Katie and Kelly.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: There was crying in the audience for sure.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Right, Senshager.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Everyone's oh my god, I'm.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Selling legons first time.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: A lot of money it probably takes to book that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: level is like ridiculou Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think Katie was like five mil Jesus.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so they're doing good. They're doing good, right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: My dream is to be booked on something and it
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: is run by scam artists like my check cleared, my
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: check clear, well definitely does and I will do it
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: because I've done some shady bookings. I remember one time
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I paid a ridiculous amount of money for twenty minutes
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of work for a tech company to come in and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: play with a ruler that I needed to figure out
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: how to open. No, that was it. And I thought,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna get murdered when I go, well, maybe
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they gonna pay me. And I still went.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It's like it was aware when oh my god, yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: make the money. You know, my dad always says there's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: no shame in a paycheck, So please do right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Listen, get the coins. So the beginning of the company.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Lil Roe is a wholesale clothing company known for their
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: eccentrically patterned leggings and multi level marketing operations. So the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: company was founded by Idan Brady and her husband Mark
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Stidham in twenty twelve, and it's named after their three grandchildren, Lucy,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Lola and Monroe. Those are good names, those are That's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a cute.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I like naming your company after that. That's cute.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Now, if your company's a scam, now you don't brought
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the grand babies in it? They what you got? Why
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: are they in it? Why are they in it? Now?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: You saw those leggings, Georgia, can we get those leggings
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: back up because I need to assist.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't mind them, They're not stupid.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, So right now we're looking at some leggings. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: can't tell what's on these legs. Is it cake? Is it? Okay?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very kadies. They're very like what we wore
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in the eighties, right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And then we got one that's like purple and pink
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and yellow and it's giving NASA logo.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It's giving jazzer size now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yes. And then we got one that looks like it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: got pink pizza on it. I don't know what that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: supposed to be.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Think those are cakes?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Stupid?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It does look like pink pizza, okay.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And the girls are flexing. They they got one leg
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: out like bam, look at these leggings. You hosts could
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: never or you could join us and never get out, okay.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: So the company that would become Luleuau in twenty twelve
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: basically started when Dianne moved from buying clothing wholesale to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: sell at dress parties to designing her own maxie skirts.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: So she was going down to the Sante Alleys or
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to you know, wherever you can get your little hookups.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you can get your bootleg Kylie Jenner lip
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: kid that will burn your mouth. She was going there
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and she went and I saw this in documentary and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, these dresses are so cheap and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: they look just like the fancy ones from Macy's, you know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And so she was like a light went off. She
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna buy a budget of these. I'm
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: gonna start slanging them. I'm gonna start throwing some parties.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some accoutra mom. I'm gonna have you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a little hor dur for the girls, and I'm gonna
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: slang these dresses.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: A chocolate fountain and come buy some dresses for open
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: by some dress.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So this is how she dips her toe. Then she
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: started designing maxie skirts. Okay, so her maxie skirts immediately
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: became popular with her friends, prompting Deane or yeah Dan
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to officially start her own bitness. So she started with
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a little maxie skirt. All you gotta do is connect
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: one piece of fabric to the sham. You got a skirt.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It is the most simple garment you could probably create.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I could do it, and I don't know what I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: doing on the sewing machine.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Right. It was like she started by making skull wars.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: She cut out a piece of fabric and wrapped it
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: around her neck. Very intricate, yeah, very hard to do.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So In January twenty thirteen, Deane and Mark filed for
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: an LLC and eight months later opened their home office
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in Corona, Califhonia. According to one of Diane's early dress
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: party hosts, she was asked to join Lulurou immediately, but
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: one of this is a quote. One of the many
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: reasons I didn't want to join in the beginning was
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: because Dan seemed unorganized and honestly a little unstable.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, it all adds up, It all adds up. Also,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: can I fucking point out Orange County? Corona is an
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Orange County if I'm not mistaken. So this is all
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: adding up to me.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So these are your homegirls. If you stayed on Facebook,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you could have some bomb leggings right now. By bomb,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I mean they would just have bombs on.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Them, right and I would be in debt, in massive,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: massive debt.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Right You could have a skirt.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I could have had a maxi skirt, a mini skirt,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: a midi skirt.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Georgia, you could have been all types of skirts right now.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I'd been popular.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So Dan's son Kenneth, was made VP of sales, her
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: daughter Amelia was made brand ambassador, and Amelia's husband Justin
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: was made chief marketing officer and Deane's son Jordan was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: made head of leadership and culture development, to name a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: few of the family employees. So do you want to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: guess how much experience in training they had any of this.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess zero.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. And also, you notice a scam when you start
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: putting your family on the payroll because landa ones who
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: really can't say shit because they got skin in the game.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's what Bertie Madoff did. He was like, hey, y'all,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: far from my palsy, I mean business.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no, this is just like it's like it's like
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: one oh one of how to set up a scam.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Gotta keep it in the family.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And it's so funny because we just finished watching The
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Righteous Gemstones for the second time and it is like
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: all the legs app same fucking stuff.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Because family can't snitch, not in this capacity. If your
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: check is a tie to the crime, like you can't snitch,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you're part of it. You're part of it. So when
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Lula Ro launched their trademark leggings in twenty fourteen, the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: company exploded loaded Why why. At the time, the product
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: was the company's biggest selling point. The leggings were comfortable, affordable,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: fit a wide variety of body types. It's like a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: moon move for your legs, and it came in a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: near endless variety of patterns. Consultants purchased inventory directly from
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Luleureau at wholesale, meaning they owned the inventory and kept
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the profits. They then sell the clothes on Facebook, marketplace
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: or at clothing parties. In March twenty fifteen, the company
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: had one thousand consultants, brought in by social media campaigns
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: promising full time income for part time work. Come on,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: stay at home moms, make a little mad money so
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you can leave your man. So in the freedom to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: stay home with your cheering. Yes. So by twenty sixteen,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the company had over sixty thousand consultants and we're earning
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: more than one billion dollars in revenue. Wow on leggings
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on leggings, bro. And this was a good time for
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: leggings because this is when all of the girls, including myself,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: were in our Pumpkin spice era. I believe I was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in college and I was definitely, you know, giving a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: legging and an ug.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say those look good together.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, my first year of college, I dressed up for
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: class and everybody thought I was so weird. I'll wear
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: heels to class in high school.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: This is my life.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And then right, and then I was yeah. Sophomore season,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh nah, I'm about to be a Swiss.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll out of bed ten minutes before I'm
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: not taking a class. If attendance is uh weighed into
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the grade, absolutely not. So many of the early consultants
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: were stay at home mothers making little income and were
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: enamored with the possibility of changing their lives selling clothes
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and being clothy airs, so becoming a consultant. Once Lul
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the Road began taking on more consultants, they put a
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: greater emphasis on recruitment, team building, and building current consultants.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Down line.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: See this is where it gets ugly and gross and sad.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You know. Down line, Yeah, this is where everyone gets fucked.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: A down line if you guys don't know, refers to
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: members who have joined the program under the consultant, who's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: referrals and sales generate income for those in their upline
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or people above them. So in order to join the company,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: consultants had to pay the buy in fee, which meant
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: at the lowest which was like basically the lowest tier,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you had to purchase five thousand to six thousand dollars
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: worth of inventory at the minimum.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: That is so much money, like that is your family
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: everyone giving you, you know, some startup feed like that
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is not a small chunk of change for like you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a housewife and fucking wherever the shit you know. That
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: makes me so sad, right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like five geez, especially in Middle America, like I do
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a lot with five g's. So let's look at the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: initial order packages. Here we have package one. Oh okay,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: so total pieces, you get two hundred and ninety pieces
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and it costs you four nine hundred and twenty five
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: dollars and seventy five cents. That's seventy five cents. Is disrespectful,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Like seventy five cents, bitch? What is that for? So
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: initial order Package two you get three hundred and ninety
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: pieces and it's six thousand, six thousand, six hundred and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: seventy eight dollars and fifty cents. Again with the change, bitch,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: if y'all don't round this off. And then package three,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: if you really trying to get robbed yea, that is
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: five hundred and fifteen baggins.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It's almost like introduce packages are like, how many friends
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: do you think you really have?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It's right? Are you popular?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Are you exactly?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: How many people? Can't you?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Rob?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Are you a libra? You should probably go with the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: five hundred and fifteen How much do you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Hate your friends and family and want them? Cause he
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: gets a lot of friends, that's right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And then for the last the least expensive package for
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: some reasons at the bit the bottom. But it's one
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: hundred and five pieces and that's two thousand dollars dollars
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and twenty.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Five add on, so you can't even do that. Oh
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that's a add.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: On, damn. So you gotta get that with the package
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: number three.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: There's no there's nothing under like we.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Do it by zodiac sign. They're like, are you a Gemini?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: You should start small?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: It would be like, you absolutely shouldn't do this. You're
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: a homebody and a little agoraphobic, and you kind of
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: hate people.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: So y'all starts small. Leo's we already know y'all gonna
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: go beat yeah, yeah, yeah. Cancers also need to start small.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm a cancer horse.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: If your tourists get the biggest package.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You can't the biggest package because you bought a lot of.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Free that's right, friends, and you're a great talker, so.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh you're a caretaker. People just buy them because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: they think you care about their legs, you know, like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: get I'll to the Lula room, Zodiac down you love
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and love it, rab baby and run. So in order
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to afford the onboarding packages, Lula Row and those in
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the Consultants upline encourage taking out loans, asking family members
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: for money, taking out credit cards, and even slang in breast.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Milk what I then go for it. That's if you
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: can actually make money to everyone, even women who don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: have babies, like just sling that breast milk right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Like, girl, why are you letting that titty milk go
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to waste to the baby? Put him on SIMLEC and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: slang that dn a milk.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Open your baby in LLC and start selling them milk.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so shit. It reminds honestly,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of when I was trying to plan
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: my wedding and you know, we paid for itself. There's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: no money and like call venues and one venue was like,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it's this much money, which was so insane, and then
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, do you have anything lower and
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: they were like, well, we would suggest asking your family
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: for money. And some people like, don't tell me how
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to rip my family off for my fucking wedding. It
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: was just such a scam, all right, I said, don't have.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Any cheaper packages. No, but what we do suggest, Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you hit up that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: We think your family's rich, like everyone elses, so go
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: ask them for it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, my girl, you gotta sell that dainnim milk okay,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Like Catherine, you're still pumping your son's eight. Yeah, I
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: need this money for lu lare else.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta pay back that add on package. I really
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have got that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Gotta sell this black market dataim milk okay. So, according
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to one woman, I was urged to stop paying my
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: bills to invest in more inventory. I was urged to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: get rid of my television. I was urged to pawn
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: my vehicle. Oh, they said, girl, you ain't got a
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: where to go. Why are you selling these lads?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: What do you need to drive?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Just right, that's right. Don't take your kids anywhere, just
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: stay there and saw leggings.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Get them involved. I love an employed child, tell almost
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: slagging them, leg them.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Legs every cist those tiny hands. They can work real fast.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, they can't be surprised. So when ordering, retailers
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: could pick styles but not prints, meaning they would be
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: stuck with ugly, unsellable prints that they could make up
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: like a large percentage of their inventory. So basically, you're
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: ordering stuff you don't know what you're gonna get. Their
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: upline would encourage them to buy more inventory as a solution.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So if you got a bag and then you opened
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it and it was all like poop leggings, you'd be like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I can't sell these poop leggings. Are like when you
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: need to buy another box, bitch, I want to tell
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you better people scat play.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Sell your car, sell your tittyum malk and get and
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: then maybe next time you'll get the cool ones.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Right girl, this is liu l roe. You only need
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: one kidney figure it out. So and and that's a
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: perfect part of the scam too, because you can't blame
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the company. Well, the company actually used this as a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: good part of their scam, which was like people are like, oh,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not selling these leggings because they're ugly, and they
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: would be like, no, you're not selling legings because you're
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a rugly get out there, sell them leggings, and it's
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: like no, if your inventory is different from everybody else,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it also impedes you calling up your other lularue homegirl
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and being like, girl, I'm not moving these leggings because
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you don't have the same products. So how are we
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: gonna It's not apples to apples. It's not like we're
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: all selling Mary kay and we all got the same.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Cream hates ray and you blame it on the person
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: selling when really you you gave them a fucking shitty product.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It's not there, right, And that's what they would do,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and they showed it on the documentary. Is like especially
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the husband, he would gaslight these poor women and be
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like your inventory stale, No, you're stale, and that's a quote.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You I hate hem you.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: These poor women they will stay. Are you gonna tell me?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And then like what that's the thing about these Like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: once you're in it, you can't admit your wrong and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: back out because you still owe your family money. Oh
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: my god, and you're.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: In a cult, so you're also like selling yourself as like, oh,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I'm popping on my own businesswoman, girl boss. Like you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to tell people like I, A, I have
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a room full of legs, right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I got scammed. I got fucking scammed. You can't say
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: that because there's a.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Little bit of shame sometimes in scams. So like you
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to tell people that you got Lula robbed,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: so you just kind of keep going. So initially, Lularo's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: compensation structure was order based, meaning the upline would make
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: bonuses depending on how much inventory their downline ordered not sold. Right,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: consultants would be forced in a vicious cycle of technically
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: bringing in a lot of money but then immediately spending
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it all on inventory. In twenty sixteen Luluro's heyday, the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: top one percent of lu Roe retailers made over one
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thous dollars a month in bonuses, while
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the bottom seventy percent made zero.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's a lot for like, yeah, that's at Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And they started encouraging the people who were consultants, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the clothiers were bringing people in, right, they
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: were like, don't focus as much on selling the leggings
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: as getting more people to sell the legion.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: That's where they're making the money.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: The sound right, people were like, it's feeling like a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: skim No no, no, no, no no, you just making more people
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: be able to live their dreams after a five thousand
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: dollars small investment.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Right right? Oh my god? Okay, and you know these.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Legings from cheaper sales. Was like return that Lularoe's getting.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Three cents each? I bet you, like right right insane.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: So in April two thousand and seven or twenty seventeen,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: excuse me, Luleau abruptly changed their compensation structure from being
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: based on how much downline was to how much they
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: were actually selling. So in twenty seventeen, the scam girls
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: started to feel like, mmm, it's giving mL limb. Yes, yes,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And in the documentary they have a video of the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: sun or somebody who works at the company who's related
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to the parents, and he was like, okay, guys, we
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme, like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: he's saying that. So it was like, how do we
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: change it so that it's not a ponzi scheme? So
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, bros, y'all, though.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: You should not have said that out loud, dude, like.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: The no A video, No hear Adi.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: If you said that out loud, you.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Clearly are a scam on four K like okay, So
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: our current business model is crime, right, so let's pitch around,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like how do we make it not crime? Judy go,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's not how you do that. No,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: So consultants that had previously made three thousand dollars a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: month in bonus checks suddenly made five hundred to fifteen
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. On a larger scale, it meant losses of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars. Consultants began to leave the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: company in asses, stopping from sixty and twenty seventeen to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: thirty seven or thirty five thousand by September twenty eighteen. Now,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: what I also have to say about this is like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: remember they started with one thousand consultants. A lot of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: people are selling on Facebook. They've risen to sixty thousand consultants,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and we're talking mostly Middle of America here. The market
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: is saturated. So we're supposed to sell legas. If everybody
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: who comes to the Lega party also slanging.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Legas, that's right, that's That's the problem with these things
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: is that you get your family and friends involved, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that means your family and friends don't need to buy
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it from you anymore. Right right, it just doesn't work.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just so confused as to how we all supposed
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to sell legs. Where we all sell legs?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Who we selling to?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Nobody else? There's no one. You can't go by supermarkets.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: It's a random person, Like you want to buy leggings.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I'm dming people on Instagram like I got these legs.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: They like I do do shit? All right, damn it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You know anybody who's not selling them? Oh my god.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: We're also like I recruited everyone I know. So no. So.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: In the same month, in an effort to stigny the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of consultants, the company announced
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: that they would offer one hundred percent refunds and pay
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: shipping for all unsold products should a consultant wish to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: leave the company. Okay, so yeah, so this mother're like, girl,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: we'll buy them leggings.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Back, like, oh, we don't want to go to prison,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: federal prison.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not cute.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: We now know.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So Luluro issued over one hundred and twenty million dollars
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: in refunds and abruptly announced the end of the policy
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: September twenty seventeen, five months after it was announced to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: be a policy without a timeframe. So they said in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the beginning, and I saw the documents, they were like, Okay,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna give the girls refunds, y'all. We're a legitimate company,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and this is gonna last forever. And then after hunt
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars, they're like, it's over. It's canceled, turn
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: it off. Oops, oops fuck fuck yeah. Yeah, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: no one actually knows how long forever it is. So
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: we've decided it's five months after we announced.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Listen, time isn't linear, it's a flat circle. So this
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: is the end.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: You called them. They start talking like the old grassic
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: tis all right, well listen. The thing about time is okay,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you gotta sund out listen.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. So this is a lularo and ancient times there
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was all right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Right when we said no end day, we also meant
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: yeah in anytime, something about it. It's hard to say
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: good bye it yesterday. That's a song. There's a reason
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it's a song. It's because it's true exactly. So anyway,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I might hang up, now keep the leggings. So designers
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: were being asked to make upwards of one hundred new
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: prints a day, which resulted in stolen and poor quality prints.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: So we'll pull up one of these prints right now.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: So when I was watching the documentary, and this is
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: something I love and it's a documentary. Yes, So right
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: now you're looking at leggings that have the leaning tower
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of he's in the crotch area of a cist gendered woman.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And it looks like a dick is hanging to the south.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It sure does. It looks like a deck.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Now I can have penises, but I don't know if
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you want your penis on your pants.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: As a hot dog leggings.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: They're hot dogs and the hot dogs are emanating from
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the vijay jing.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: They are they sure those are not well thought out?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, right, Oh, this one makes my kuci look like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a mandala.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: This looks this is a theme. They've got a theme
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: going of unwearable leggings.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Right, it's giving bulls eye. It's giving here.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It's very problematic.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: And what's great about this documentary is that they interviewed
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: one of the designers, and I love when they just
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: let people talk and give them enough rope to hang themselves.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, I told everybody on the team, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you gotta change an original design twenty percent for a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: legally not to be copyright. So I was I was
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: just mine up twenty percent, change of color, move a pattern.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: But other people they just got lazy to start just
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: stealing from Google images.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: So she was like, I was ethical. I stole people's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: designs and I changed them a little bit.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That's right, I can't I did it enough that you
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: can't blame me. However, I am.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody else was stealing stealing. I was just like borrowing.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I can't wait. I can't wait
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to watch this.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And also another note about these cruises, because I saw
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: this in the documentary is my favorite part. There was
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: a black woman. Only there's very few black people involved
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in the scam because it was very much targeted towards
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: like stay at home, suburban white women and their circles.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: There's a black woman who had got pretty high up
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and was invited to go on the cruises, and she
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I never went on those cruises because
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't be on a boat full of white people
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: in the ocean. And I was like, yes, for someone's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: making sense. Yeah yeah. Also in the documentary they talk
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: about how so the founders of this dian and her husband,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: they're Mormon. They have fourteen children and two of them
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: got married to each other.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Wait are you fucking kidding me? Now?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: That's no shade of Mormonism. These people are just weird,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: nice right, And they adopted children, so they were like, oh,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: well they were adopted, so they not technically like brother
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and sister here, but they got married, they got a baby.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: He like, that's over, and the documentary like it's nothing, like, yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: two of our kids got married. Anyway, it's been to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: these legs.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: What in the actual fuck are you? Like? I don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: want to I never kink shame, however, this is not
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a kink. That is incest, Like what the fright?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, it's like, are the siblings like, yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that's my nephew, cousin, Oh what.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Would that be? Sisters and brothers?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's my nephew and also my brother.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I don't even know the math on that make it
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: like if that happened, there's some shady shit in the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: family already, you know what I mean, Like, you don't
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that is not okay, and you're taught that's not okay
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: from a very young age. Yeah, you don't even need
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: to be taught that, which means there's something going on
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: in that family.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving, but also it's like they have fourteen kids.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: They run in a whole crime business. Like when did
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they have time to spend time with these kids?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Like no, yeah, they absolutely didn't.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Guys, love is out there you don't know, could be
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: your brother.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Don't overlook. Listen when you're on grinder and you accidentally
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: swipe on your brother, it's okay.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about dating your brother though, I'm just saying.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: No, oh, like absolutely not.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, don't leave anything out. Love could be
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Asher has been off the table since the Dawn four
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and I am so okay.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: That's because you've never gave him a chance.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Georgia, you're on right, Oh my god.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: That's all you could be looking at love right in
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the face. So complaints were also issued for paper thin
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: garments that tore like tissue, moldy leggings that were shipped
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and sold soaking wet or sun bleak shirts left out
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: in loading yards. So this happened because Lularu started expanding
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: really quickly, and instead of like taking the time to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: make sure that they were doing things right, they ran
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: out of room in their factories or their you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: warehouse for the leggings. So they started putting the bitches
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: outside and somebody was like, hey, dian, I think it's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: right in today. Oh, it'll be all right. They in
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: car board, right, and it's some plans to get in there. Wrong.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: People were getting wet, moldy leggings, and then when they
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: got these leggings, they'd be like, huh, that's so weird
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: they were wet. Well, they would give them advice. They'd
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, well, if you put it in the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: oven for a few minutes, it'll get rid of the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: stank on it and then you can slang it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: So instead of even moldy leggings, they wouldn't let you return.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: They're like, are the leggings moldy? Or are you moldy bitch?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you were selling faster, the leggans wouldn't have
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: time to grow mold.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Mold is really in these days.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: All the clothings are Oh the clothier's we're doing it. Yeah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So continuing on. So, from March to October twenty seventeen,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: six class action lawsuits were filed, and they were filed
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: on behalf of customers across the country, claiming that Lulureaux
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: was knowingly selling defective products to consultants and then refusing
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to refund them. Despite the overwhelming evidence and growing numbers
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of consultants filing complaints, luleuro denied selling defective products or
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: refusing to issue refunds even though they did so. Is
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: it an MLM or a pyramid scheme? In October and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: November of twenty seventeen, six more class action lawsuits were filed,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: this time alleging Lulureaux was running a pyramid scheme and
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: cheating consultants out of thousands of callings. Pyramid schemes are
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a model based off of a promise of compensation for
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: recruiting others into the program versus a model such as
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a multi level marketing which multi level marketings are pyramid schemes,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but they get away with it because they're saying you're
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: selling smoothies, right, you're selling vitam means you have to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: pretend that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: The focus is on selling something, not recruiting and exactly bullshit.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: But at least you're like pretending or putting up a front.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Right. But it's something that you can't really you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: it's not that good legal gray area that we love, Yes,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: love a good legal gray area. So this is, you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: basically what their model is. Well known MLMs include Amway,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: which people call scam Way, Avon, Herbal Life, and Dotera.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: If you like essentials from listen, I don't got scammed
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: by some essential ills like yeah, give me that mint.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: This is like nature's cocaine, just sniffing and you're like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a A way, I mean a.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Scam if you like it, you know what.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, right, I don't think it is. If you
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: like it, I don't think it's a scam.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: If you buy it, yeah, I don't think it's a scam.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Right, I I agree. So MLMs are legal because they
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: have value in their product, whereas pyramid schemes are illegal
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: because they have no products to sell. One example presented
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in a twenty nineteen lawsuit showed that six million dollars
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: was being made in bonuses, while at the same time
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: there was a negative one hundred and sixty thousand dollars
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: in retail profits. Even after the change in compensation structure,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: one million more was being made in bonuses than retail profit. Surprisingly,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: when the product is moldy and ugly, it's hard to sell.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Who the funk?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: So lawsuits. November twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, my Dier filed
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: a lawsuit in Riverside Superior Court a legend that Luluro
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: owed them more than forty eight million dollars in unpaid invoices,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: including to ups more than one million, a labeling company
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, and a garment supplier for three million.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: So my dryer was the company who was cranking out
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: these leggings.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So Luluro was like run it up.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like but you're not you're not paying though, Like
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: we'll get you, we'll get you.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: So the pseudo legends of Luro ordered more product with
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the intention of def frauding my dieer, knowing with their
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: declining revenue they would be unable to pay for it,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: so they tried to get it on leilway. They try
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to get it on Claren though. On November fifteen, twenty nineteen,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Luluaux countersued My Dire for one billion dollars, accusing the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: company of engaging in systemic, years long scheme to defraud
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Lularoe by under delivering and overcharging Luluro for products. So
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: they were like, you're sewing us. We saw you.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: They are just unrelenting.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: They know how to gaslight even in legal lease. Yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: like we saw you because oh oh yeah, because you
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: know what you did. Yeah, yeah, sorry about it. When
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: they filed the lawsuit, it just says they know what
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: they need, but you have to write it down.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: No, they know, yeah, they know what the is with
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the emoji, and.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: We're suing for one million dollars pinking next to the
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: mouth like what. So the suit was settled for four
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: point seventy five million in February twenty twenty one. Since
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, over fifteen lawsuits have been filed. Like we
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: said before, By mid twenty twenty one, Lulaux is still
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: in business and had slashed startup costs by ninety percent
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: to attract new retailers. So they are still scamming to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this day.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm in I'm in let's do it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Many former consultants are still left in debt and poverty
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: due to their time with Lularoaux, and many have banded
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: together in Facebook groups and attempts to seek justice. And
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I love this for them. I will say that in
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the documentary that I watched, there was a woman who
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: sells Lularaux and she was like, I love Lularoaux. I'm
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: gonna sell Lulaaro.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Tell I Dae, Oh my god. Still, I said, bitch,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: not to you, dad.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: You will be in a casket with some legason.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, selling it to the nursing home people that you
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: live with.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: She said, y'all, let me get some skulls on my burial, Lincoln.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: You got eeting classy for a burial.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, well, she was dedicated. There were people who lost,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like their relationship because Luloroe also tried to get everybody involved.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: So they'd be like, oh, you retire your husband was
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: one of their phrases. They'd be like, you know, you
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: could sell so much in these legags, you can retire
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: your husband. They would bring the husbands to the retreats.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: They would ask them about their relationships like it was
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a cult. They were really roping people in and there.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Was whole lifestyle like your whole life, your whole lifestyle,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: your whole family, your friends, like it is a cult.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And there was one disgruntled employee in the documentary who
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: said that he couldn't forgive Kelly Clarkson for singing at
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: a LULUO event.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: For Kelly Clarkson into this, she got her money.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Kelly is a nice girl from Texas. She just came.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: They paid her the sing She came and say it
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't her fault. He was like, I still can't listen
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to her music. Said, damn wow, not since you've been
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: gone sending you went to a dark place. So it's
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: time for Scammer of the Week and this week and
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: this is where we talk about, you know, scamming that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: we love, maybe we don't, scam that we love, maybe
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: we hate. We'll see. We're talking about Carla Wilbone of Chicago, Chicago, Chicago.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: She was looking for a job when she fell victim
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to a scam that was a daisy chain of other
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that was a daisy chain of other victims
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: who were then unknowingly turned into accomplices. Seems like our girl,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Carla fell into a scam and then became an accomplice.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: So Carla had found a second job as a remote
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: assistant to the CEO of a company called Hawkins Interior Design.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Her boss immediately sent her a check for twenty eight
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars, asking her to deposit it into her own
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: account and then take out twenty six hundred dollars in
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: money orders to pay some bills for him. Oh, girl, honey,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: this is an old one, y'all. Anytime somebody sends you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: a check for money up front for work that you
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: haven't done, or is like, hey, I don't have a
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: bank account. Can who deposit this five thousand dollars and
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: then you can keep a little bit of it for yourself.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I had a friend's dad that because older people, this
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: happens all the time. Happened to him.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, and I hate it because the bank, if it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: under a certain amount of money, they will be like, okay, girl,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and now Bank of America will only clear you for
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: three hundred dollars no matter how much you put in.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: They're like, girl, we don't let's see if you're clear.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: We know you're stupid and you might get hood banks
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: so we're gonna go ahead.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: We know you're broke ass that'll be depositing large sums
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of money where you get this. We're gonna wait. We'll
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: let you know if you can have it. But you
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: know some banks under a certain amount, they will let
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it clear. So by the time the check was discovered
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: to be a fake by the bank, Karla had already
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: sent money orders with the funds to an address in Michigan.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Oh honey. Also, this is not how money works no more.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: If it's checks to send, he could have sent the
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: damn check. He got time to mail you a check,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: but he got time to mail them a check. If
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the thing is just don't trust anyone.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Don't trust anyone ever, right, And why was.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: He giving you two hundred dollars out of it? Like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: you got ch to do nothing? No, so that I
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: just turned out to belong to yet another woman who
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: has chosen to rename anonymous. Who's online boyfriend of five years?
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Oh no, all right, you had me an online boyfriend
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: of five online boy online boyfriend.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Those two word years don't go together.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: None of them words should go together. Five years online.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: You're getting captshed. No, I'm like five.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Years I don't even want to pretend to be nobody
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: boyfriend or girl for five years?
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Like a real relationship for five years is almost impossible, right.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: That's what point is it? A couple of real relationship
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of like five years? It's like, oh my god, man,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: this this witch can died. All right, hold on, I'll
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: be with y'all on one second. Hey, baby, how are you
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: holding up?
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? So? A woman whose online boyfriend
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of five years had recently told her to expect a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: few shipments containing payments for paintings that he sold. Why
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: are you not mailing them to his house?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Why are a lot of things.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: So through the So. Though the Michigan woman never met
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend in person, only communicated via text, she was
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: used to following his request, believing that one day he
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: might further their relationship. All right, oh my god, I've
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: been ghosted. I've dealt with fuck boys and girls like
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I get, but five years and you've only text this
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: man and you're.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Hoping Why I mean that you just know, like that sucks,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: that's sad, and you just don't want to admit that
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to yourself.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really should. Sometimes we have to admit things
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to ourselves.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: So this particular time, at his request, the Michigan Woman
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: forwarded the shipments to another address and hopes that they
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: would be the funds that would allow him to return
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: from Europe so that they could live together. Okay, so
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: that he's in Europe, he's like, yeah, sorry, girl, I'm
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: in the platisserie mi. What sorry about that? Noise boo.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Years prior to that, the boyfriend asked her to pay
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: for his open heart surgery. Oh my god, girl, his
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: open heart surgery. Oh, I hate him, and y'all just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: texted I hate this man. So it turns out that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Carla's boss is the anonymous Michigan Woman's boyfriend, so he
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: run all types of scam. He was like, hey, boo,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: it turns out the triple bypass they actually need to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: go in because home they only did a double, so
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: they gotta do one more. It's gonna be the same price.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Right, and yeah, no discounts, No discounts on that.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I need it today otherwise I'm gonna be dead and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a dead boyfriend. Is that what?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You will? Never ever move forward and meet in person
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: and stop?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to kill me? If I'm dead, then
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we definitely not gonna meet. And you you know, when
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I see you, girl, ooh, I'm a I'm a I'm
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a munch on you. O vagina up, I'm gonna take
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: you to steak dinner, which is somehow I can afford
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: even though I don't have healthcare.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, he was running all types of scams. Unfortunately,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: now both women are heartbroken and out thousands of dollars
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: in a domino effect of scams. So I'm not gonna
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: say that the woman who got a job that wasn't
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a real job is heartbroken. But you know when you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: get robbed, that is sad. They're both sad.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks, and you feel they're stupid too, probably
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: right right, Like it's humiliating.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And how do you five years you weren't like send
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: me a picture, let's FaceTime, like we have all these.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: That's its own story altogether. Like how girl, you.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Need to go on catfish and try to recoup some
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of these losses because five years that's too long. Yeah, well,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: all right, guys. That brings us to the end of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the show. And it's always Georgia. We ask on the show,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: where would you like to be found. What do you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: want people to find?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Oh instagram at hard stark and then I have a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: puppy kitten instagram at. It's oh shit, I don't even remember.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Cookie and puppy and kitten.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: We got a puppy and kitten in the quarantine. It's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: a cookie and Moses.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Cookie and Moses. Yes, into that. People love a good animal.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Account's pretty I do.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I never not like a post. I'm like, yes, this
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: is a dice.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: This guy.
• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:12
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