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Wife On the Run After Husband Found Dead - Police · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So I want you to picture someone described by those
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  Speaker 1: who know her as like literally the kindest, sweetest woman
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  Speaker 1: on earth.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That paints a very specific kind of picture.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. I mean, just hold that image in
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  Speaker 1: your head for a second. Think about the traits that
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  Speaker 1: come with a description like that.
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  Speaker 2: You're probably picturing someone who's, you know, relentlessly compassionate.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, a steady presence, a true pillar of her community.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody you can rely on.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So, picture a dedicated author, someone who spends her
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  Speaker 1: days traveling all over the country as a highly respected
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  Speaker 1: national advocate for police mental health.
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  Speaker 2: She's essentially the person officers turn to when they're at
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  Speaker 2: their absolute lowest.
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  Speaker 1: She is, she really is. But now I want you
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  Speaker 1: to take that exact same image and completely shatter it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that very same woman, the safety net for so
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  Speaker 1: many people, is suddenly the subject of a frantic, multi
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  Speaker 1: agency man hunt.
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  Speaker 2: That is just what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine the local district Pattoni and the police chief standing
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  Speaker 1: up there before a sea of reporters and cameras, issuing
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  Speaker 1: this dire warning to the public and labeling this beloved
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  Speaker 1: advocate as potentially armed and dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds honestly, it sounds like the inciting incident of
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  Speaker 2: a psychological.
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  Speaker 1: Thriller, right, like a Hollywood script where the protagonist's secret
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  Speaker 1: life is revealed. But this isn't a movie. This is
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  Speaker 1: a very real, very active situation currently unfolding.
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  Speaker 2: It is the absolute definition of a paradigm shift, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just incredibly jarring to process. We have this deeply
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  Speaker 2: established public persona that is entirely at odds with the violent,
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  Speaker 2: chaotic reality and folding on.
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  Speaker 1: The ground, completely at odds.
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  Speaker 2: When the very person who is supposed to be the
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  Speaker 2: safety net, the one advocating for the psychological well being
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  Speaker 2: of law enforcement, becomes the primary focus of a violent criminal.
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  Speaker 1: Investigation, the shockwaves are just immense, they really are.
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  Speaker 2: They don't just ripple through a family or a local neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: They tear through an entire institution. I mean, the psychological
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  Speaker 2: whiplash for the public and for the police is profound.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, and that profound whiplash is exactly what we are
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  Speaker 1: going to explore today. We are taking a deep dive
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  Speaker 1: into a case that has completely stunned the city of Worcester, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 2: And sent tremors through the law enforcement community nationwide.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, it really has. And when we were looking
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  Speaker 1: through the source material for this deep dive, specifically a
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  Speaker 1: really detailed report by the Law and Crime Network, retired
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  Speaker 1: NYPD detective Tom Smith offered some analysis that just stopped
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  Speaker 1: me in my tracks.
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  Speaker 2: His insights are phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: They are his insights into how police process a scene
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  Speaker 1: like this really framed our mission today. We aren't just
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  Speaker 1: here to recount a timeline of a crime, like reading
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  Speaker 1: a police.
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  Speaker 2: Blotterer, right, We want to go deeper than that, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We want to unpack the truly bizarre and deeply tragic
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  Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the death of a thirty one year police
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  Speaker 1: veteran and the subsequent desperate hunt for his wife.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to examine not just the what of this case,
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  Speaker 2: the locations that times, the evidence, but the highly complex
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  Speaker 2: investigative and psychological why behind the search.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because we are looking at the search for a
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  Speaker 1: woman who spent her life advocating for the very officers
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  Speaker 1: who are now hunting her down, and.
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  Speaker 2: To really grasp the gravity of that psychological why and
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  Speaker 2: to understand how an entire police department mobilizes under these specific,
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  Speaker 2: you know, agonizing circumstances, we have to start with the
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  Speaker 2: physical reality of the scene itself. We do before we
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  Speaker 2: can even begin to analyze the suspect and the paradox
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  Speaker 2: of her identity. We have to look closely at the chaotic,
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  Speaker 2: frankly terrifying physical puzzle that investigators walked into on that morning.
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  Speaker 1: Because the scene they found is the genesis of everything
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: It initiated this entire manhunt, It dictated the initial labels
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  Speaker 2: placed on the suspect, and it set the operational tone
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  Speaker 2: for everything that followed.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So let's set the scene for exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 1: It is early, like very early, five point thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning in Worcester, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 2: For most people. The sun isn't even up yet exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The neighborhood is dead quiet, Maybe a few early risers
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  Speaker 1: are just starting to brew their coffee, stepping out to
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  Speaker 1: get the paper. And then a call comes into police dispatch, and.
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  Speaker 2: We actually have the audio from the source report.
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  Speaker 1: We do, and you can hear residents reporting that there
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  Speaker 1: is a mail laid out in a backyard. The caller
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  Speaker 1: states there is unknown breathing.
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  Speaker 2: In dispatch terms, I mean that is an immediate, high
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  Speaker 2: priority medical emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, first responders are dispatched instantly. But when they
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  Speaker 1: pull up to this quiet suburban home, they don't just
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  Speaker 1: find a medical emergency go down. They realize almost instantly
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  Speaker 1: that the victim lying unresponsive in the yard is Kurt Solomon.
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  Speaker 2: And Kurt Solomon is not just a random Western resident.
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  Speaker 2: He is a thirty one year veteran of the Worcester
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  Speaker 2: Police Department.
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  Speaker 1: Which changes everything.
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  Speaker 2: It changes everything, So within seconds of arriving, these first
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  Speaker 2: responders realize they are looking at one of their own.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That realization changes the entire atmosphere of a response. On
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  Speaker 2: a molecular level, adrenaline spikes, the stakes instantly go from
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  Speaker 2: high to astronomical. But they have a job to do,
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  Speaker 2: and as they secure the area around Kurt, they realize
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  Speaker 2: the backyard is only the end of the story. The
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  Speaker 2: physical evidence they are about to uncover paints a much larger,
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  Speaker 2: much darker picture.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the dispatch audio from the officers who are first
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  Speaker 1: on the scene paints a very grim, very chaotic picture.
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  Speaker 1: You hear an officer relaying back to dispatch, his voice
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  Speaker 1: tense saying and I quote looks like from the window.
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  Speaker 1: We can see that there's much blood happening inside of
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  Speaker 1: the house.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just a chilling thing to hear over the radio.
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  Speaker 1: It is. They quickly pinpoint it to a highly visible,
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  Speaker 1: massive blood trail that starts all the way back in
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  Speaker 1: a bathroom deep inside the home and leads directly out
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  Speaker 1: of the building and into the yard where Kurt was
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  Speaker 1: ultimately found.
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  Speaker 2: And you can even hear them actively coordinating over the
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  Speaker 2: radio to preserve evidence in real time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are specifically telling one officer to stay with
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  Speaker 1: the victim and asking another to watch the door just
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  Speaker 1: for evidence. Okay, let's unpack this. Yeah, it's like reading
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  Speaker 1: a book starting from the final sentence and trying to
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  Speaker 1: guess the plot.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great analogy.
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  Speaker 1: If residents found him out in the yard, but there
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  Speaker 1: is this massive blood trail starting deep inside the house
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  Speaker 1: in a back bathroom, what is that actually telling investigators
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  Speaker 1: in those critical first minutes? I mean, does that suggest
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  Speaker 1: a struggle, an escape attempt, a prolonged timeline.
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  Speaker 2: It's just all of those things actually, and understanding how
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  Speaker 2: police interpret that specific trail fundamentally dictates how the crime
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  Speaker 2: scene unit will operate from that moment forward. Tom Smith,
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  Speaker 2: the retired NYPD detective, and our source material really illuminated
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  Speaker 2: this methodology. When investigators arrive at a scene this chaotic,
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  Speaker 2: they have to read it much like.
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  Speaker 1: Your book analogy, but they do it backwards.
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  Speaker 2: Entirely in reverse. The first step is absolute containment. They
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  Speaker 2: cordon off the entire area. Nobody goes in or out
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  Speaker 2: without authorization, because every single step could destroy the narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't contaminate the scene exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Then they use that blood trail to literally work backward
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  Speaker 2: from the body to the origin point. The blood is
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  Speaker 2: the physical narrative thread of the crime, right.
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  Speaker 1: Because blood isn't just a substance, it's a map of
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  Speaker 1: movement exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The dynamics of how blood behaves can tell a forensic
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  Speaker 2: investigator and incredible amount about the sequence of events, like what, Well,
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  Speaker 2: if there is a massive pool of blood in one
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  Speaker 2: specific area, or if the trail unequivocally originates in a
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  Speaker 2: contained space like that back bathroom, investigators can deduce with
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  Speaker 2: high probability that this is the primary crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning the location where the initial violent event occurred. Precisely so,
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom is chapter one of our reverse engineered book.
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  Speaker 2: It is. The bathroom is where the violence was initiated,
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  Speaker 2: and everything between that bathroom and the backyard where Kurt
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  Speaker 2: was found is the story of what happened next.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so dark to think about it is.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Smith points out that investigators will use the specific
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  Speaker 2: characteristics of that trail to gather immediate, actionable investigative knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking at the morphology of the blood.
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  Speaker 1: The morphology meaning the shape and size of the drop exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Are they looking at passive drops which might indicate he
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  Speaker 2: was standing still or walking slowly, wall bleeding, or are
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  Speaker 2: they looking at cast off spatter on the walls, which
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  Speaker 2: would mean what cast off spatter indicates a weapon being
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  Speaker 2: swung multiple times? And then they look for smears and
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  Speaker 2: transfer stains along the walls and the door frame they
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  Speaker 2: were so desperate.
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  Speaker 1: To preserve, suggesting he was leaning against the architecture of
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  Speaker 1: the house to keep himself upright.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, or even dragging himself. Oh man, Did he try
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  Speaker 2: to get out of the house to seek help? Was
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  Speaker 2: he trying to reach a neighbor's house and simply collapsed
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of doing so due to blood loss?
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  Speaker 1: The patterns will tell them all of that.
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  Speaker 2: They will they'll show if he was moving quickly in
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  Speaker 2: a panic, if there was a secondary struggle along the way,
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  Speaker 2: or and this is crucial, if someone else was in
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  Speaker 2: the house walking through that blood. They are analyzing every
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  Speaker 2: single drop to reconstruct his final moments.
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  Speaker 1: It's forensic storytelling at its most visceral. But it's not
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  Speaker 1: just about looking at the obvious trail of blood, right,
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  Speaker 1: because blood is just the most visible marker. The source
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  Speaker 1: mentions something specific about conducting grid searches.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, grid searches.
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  Speaker 1: How does that actually work in a suburban house and yard?
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  Speaker 2: It is a meticulously choreographed, painstakingly slow process. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: once they have the main narrative established from the blood trail,
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  Speaker 2: they can't just stop there and assume they know the
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  Speaker 2: whole story, right.
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  Speaker 1: They have to look for the tiny things exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They employ grid searches on the entire property. Imagine taking
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  Speaker 2: the entire house and backyard and laying a giant, invisible
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  Speaker 2: piece of graph paper over it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm picturing it.
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  Speaker 2: The investigators divide the area into highly specific zones. Then
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  Speaker 2: they go square by square, step by deliberate step through
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  Speaker 2: the entire designated area.
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  Speaker 1: They are essentially turning a messy reality into a manageable
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  Speaker 1: mathematical grid.
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  Speaker 2: That's the perfect way to put it. They are looking
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  Speaker 2: for the microscopic pieces of evidence that fill in the
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  Speaker 2: gaps of the narrative. They aren't just looking for a
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  Speaker 2: smoking gun.
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  Speaker 1: They're checking in and around the body, meticulously combing the grass.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they are inspecting around that specific door they
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  Speaker 2: mentioned on the radio, looking for a weapon, obviously, but
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  Speaker 2: also for a piece of torn clothing snagged on the latch,
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  Speaker 2: or a partial footprint on the patio, a discarded cell phone,
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  Speaker 2: or even a single hair. They are trying to find
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  Speaker 2: absolutely anything that deviates from the normal, everyday environment of
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  Speaker 2: that home.
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  Speaker 1: And it must require immense focus.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, because they only get one chance to process
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  Speaker 2: the scene pristine. Once it's altered, you can never put
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  Speaker 2: it back exactly the way it was.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I want you to picture your own street
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  Speaker 1: right now. If you walked out your front door and
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  Speaker 1: saw police tape wrapping around your neighbor's house, you'd be.
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  Speaker 2: Shocked, anyone would be.
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  Speaker 1: But now put yourself in the mindset of the first
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  Speaker 1: responder arriving at that scene. You get a call for
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  Speaker 1: a medical emergency at dawn you pull up, jump out
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  Speaker 1: of your cruiser, and as you run into the back yard,
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  Speaker 1: you recognize the face of the victim.
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  Speaker 2: It's Kurt.
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  Speaker 1: It's Kurt, a guy you might have just seen at
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  Speaker 1: the precinct a few days ago, a guy you shared
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  Speaker 1: coffee with, a brother in blue. Instantly, the stakes of
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  Speaker 1: this scene are elevated beyond normal comprehension.
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  Speaker 2: Your heart is pounding in your ears right, but you
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  Speaker 2: have to immediately, almost violently, switch off your emotions and
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  Speaker 2: become a procedural machine.
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  Speaker 1: You have to secure door, You have to trace a
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  Speaker 1: blood trail without stepping on it. You have to initiate
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  Speaker 1: a grid search.
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  Speaker 2: The level of mental discipline required to process a scene
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  Speaker 2: that intimately horrific when the victim is a close colleague
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  Speaker 2: is just staggering.
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  Speaker 1: Staggering.
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  Speaker 2: It is a monumental psychological burden. The cognitive load of
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  Speaker 2: balancing profound personal grief with the requirement for absolute forensic
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  Speaker 2: perfection cannot be overstated.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 2: And while they're processing this incredibly chaotic, bloody physical evidence
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  Speaker 2: to understand the mechanics of how Kurt died, the true
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  Speaker 2: shock waves of this case are just beginning to form.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because as complex of the physical evidence is, it
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  Speaker 1: is only half the puzzle exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The other half, the element that takes us from a
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  Speaker 2: local tragedy to a national news story is the sudden,
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  Speaker 2: chilling realization of who is notably missing from that house.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The physical scene tells us the violent mechanics of
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  Speaker 1: how he died, But the real mystery, the paradox that
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  Speaker 1: has captured national attention, comes from the identities of Kurt
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  Speaker 1: and his missing wife, which is just wild, which brings
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  Speaker 1: us to a really uncomfortable, deeply paradoxical reality that the
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  Speaker 1: police had to confront in those early hours. We know
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Solomon was a thirty one year veteran of the
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  Speaker 1: Worcester PD.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We also know from reports that he was a family man,
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  Speaker 1: a father, leaving behind two adult sons. He was a
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  Speaker 1: long standing fixture in that community, someone people knew and trusted.
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  Speaker 2: He was a pillar.
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  Speaker 1: But the person of interest, the woman who lived there,
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  Speaker 1: the woman who was completely unaccounted for when police arrived
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  Speaker 1: at this blood soaked scene, is his fifty eight year
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  Speaker 1: old wife, Karen Solomon.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer magnitude of the tragic
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  Speaker 2: irony embedded in her identity.
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  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Solomon is not just a police officer's wife who
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  Speaker 2: happens to be missing. She's a highly public, deeply respected
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  Speaker 2: figure within the law enforcement community itself.
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  Speaker 1: According to our sources, she is the co founder of
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  Speaker 1: a major national nonprofit organization called First Help.
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  Speaker 2: And this is an organization specifically dedicated to raising awareness
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  Speaker 2: about police officers mental health struggles and suicide prevention right.
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  Speaker 1: She is an author of multiple books on the nuanced
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  Speaker 1: subject of law enforcement mental health.
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  Speaker 2: She routinely travels the country as the national speaker, standing
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  Speaker 2: up at major events talking to rooms full of officers
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  Speaker 2: and their families about the urgent need for resources to
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  Speaker 2: take care of those in uniform who are in crisis.
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  Speaker 1: We really need to pause and reflect on that for
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  Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, she dedicated her professional life to saving
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  Speaker 1: the lives of police officers. The work she did, by
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  Speaker 1: all accounts, was genuinely good work.
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  Speaker 2: She likely helped countless officers process trauma, deal with PTSD,
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  Speaker 2: and find help when they felt entirely alone.
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  Speaker 1: And now, in this unfathomable twist of reality, she is
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  Speaker 1: wanted for questioning in connection to the violent death of one,
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  Speaker 1: her own husband, her own husband. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
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  Speaker 1: The organization she co founded, First Help was put in
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  Speaker 1: an impossible position and even had to release a public
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  Speaker 1: statement regarding the manhunt.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine having to draft that pr statement right.
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  Speaker 1: They expressed their deep condolences for the officer who lost
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  Speaker 1: his life and for his family, but they also had
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  Speaker 1: to directly acknowledge the massive destructive impact this tragedy is
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  Speaker 1: having on the law enforcement families who trusted their organization.
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  Speaker 2: They literally stated that they understand how these bizarre circumstances
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  Speaker 2: may be deeply affecting members of the community who placed
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  Speaker 2: their utmost trust in First Help during the most difficult,
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable moments of their lives.
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  Speaker 1: That statement really brings the collaborneral damage of this event,
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  Speaker 1: and to sharp.
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  Speaker 2: Focus it does. You have a massive community of first
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  Speaker 2: responders nationwide who are inherently vulnerable because of the trauma
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  Speaker 2: they faced daily. They looked at this woman as a
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  Speaker 2: beacon of support, a safe harbor, and now that trust
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  Speaker 2: is fractured, if not entirely broken.
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  Speaker 1: Cracksured is putting it mildly.
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  Speaker 2: It brings to mind Tom Smith's very pointed sobering commentary
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  Speaker 2: on the reality of domestic violence.
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  Speaker 1: What did he say again.
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  Speaker 2: When he was asked about the profound shock of someone
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  Speaker 2: with her specific advocacy background being involved in a violent
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  Speaker 2: scene like this, He emphasized a harsh, undeniable reality. Domestic
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  Speaker 2: violence is entirely blind.
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  Speaker 1: It operates completely independently of the facade we project to.
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  Speaker 2: The world exactly. It doesn't care about your demographics, your
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  Speaker 2: zip code, your profession, your level of education, or your
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  Speaker 2: carefully curated public persona right.
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  Speaker 1: He was very clear that it happens to celebrities, to politicians,
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  Speaker 1: to doctors, and yes to mental health advocates.
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  Speaker 2: It penetrates the homes of the very people we assume,
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  Speaker 2: often wrongly, are immune to it because of their expertise.
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  Speaker 1: But even knowing that intellectually, the cognitive dissonance here is deafening.
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  Speaker 1: Our source material quoted an individual responding to the story,
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  Speaker 1: someone who obviously knew her, who described Karen as quote
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  Speaker 1: the kindest, sweetest woman on earth.
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  Speaker 2: That quote just sticks with you.
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  Speaker 1: It does if you are a member of the publican warduster,
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  Speaker 1: or worse, if you are a police officer in that
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  Speaker 1: very department who has attended one of her seminars, read
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  Speaker 1: her books, or maybe even confided in her organization. How
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  Speaker 1: do you even begin to process that?
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  Speaker 2: You really can't.
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  Speaker 1: How do you reconcile the image of the kindest woman
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  Speaker 1: on earth with the primary target of a multi agency
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  Speaker 1: manhunt fleeing a home with a massive blood trail.
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  Speaker 2: It is incredibly difficult, and it forces investigators to completely
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  Speaker 2: discard their preconceived notions and look far beyond the surface.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: When you are presented with the paradox of this magnitude,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: you have to systematically ask what was happening behind closed
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: doors that the public and even close friends didn't see.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith rightly brings up the potential for an unseen
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: mental health angle, which is particularly poignant given her profession.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: We have to speculate, because the investigators certainly are doing
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: so right now, about whether there were unknown underlying mental
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: health issues at play.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Were there new medications involved that cause an adverse reaction, was.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: There a sudden, unpredictable break from reality, or conversely, was
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: there a long standing hidden history of volatility intention in
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that home that they successfully kept hidden from the world.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And we also have to leave room for the complete, nuanced,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: unknown of what actually transpire in that backpath. Absolutely, the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: source was very careful to note that as of now,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we don't know the specific circumstances of the confrontation. We
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: don't know who initiated it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: We don't know if this was a tragic situation of
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: self defense right.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: We don't know if she was the victim of long
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: term hidden abuse that finally escalated to a lethal brading point.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: We simply don't know the interpersonal dynamics that led to
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that moment in the house.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And that lack of clarity raises an incredibly important, dangerous
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: question for the investigators. How do you safely and effectively
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: hunt for someone when you don't fully understand their motive,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: their trauma, or their current state of mind.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You're operating in a void.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: You were operating in an informational vacuum regarding intent. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: while they didn't know the why, one thing the police
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: did know was exactly who they were dealing with.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Because of her deep professional ties to law enforcement, they
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: knew she wasn't a standard suspect who might panic and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: make amateur mistakes.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: This inside knowledge radically changed the tactical dynamics of how
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: they began to track her movements. They weren't looking for
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: a career criminal operating on instinct.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: They were looking for an insider who understands exactly how
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the machine works exactly, And that transition from processing a static,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: bloody crime scene to initiating a dynamic, active manhunt is
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: where the sheer weight of modern technology and the neighborhood
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: canvas come into play.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Right, Because the physical trail of blood literally ran cold
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in the grass of the backyard, so.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Police had to find a new trail. And in twenty
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: twenty six, that trail isn't footprints in the mud. It
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is almost always digital. Yes, so let's look at the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: block by block digital breadcrumb trail she left behind and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: how police attempts to reconstruct a ghost.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: The modern anatomy of a manhunt rarely starts with the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: dramatic Hollywood imagery of helicopters circling in bloodhound's baying right
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: out of the gate.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, TV always gets that wrong.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The reality is far more tedious and systematic. It starts
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: with knocking on doors. It starts with the neighbors. It
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: starts with accessing the ubiquitous surveillance network that exists in
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: modern suburbia.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly, and that brings us to the first major breakthrough
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: they released to.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: The public, the ring camera footage.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, the police released this ring camera or garage surveillance
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: video hoping someone recognizes her clothing or direction. It shows
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Karen walking north from he house toward Westcott Street, which
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: is just about a block away from the crime scene.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Just one block.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting. If you look
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: closely at that video, she does not look like someone
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: who just fled a horrific, bloody, potentially lethal scene.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: No, she doesn't.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: She appears completely, almost unsettlingly calm. She isn't frantic, she
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: isn't running or looking over her shoulder. She's just walking
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: at a normal, measured pace. And she seemingly has absolutely
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: nothing in her hands.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: No luggage, no go bag, no visible weapon, nothing.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Why is she walking so casually away from what we
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: know is a highly chaotic scene.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: That calm demeanor is chilling when you juxtapose it with
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the physical reality of the blood trail we just discussed.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But for investigators it's also a critical piece of behavioral evidence.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Right they have to analyze that walk.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Is she in profound psychological shock? Has she completely disassociated
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: from the traumatic event that just occurred, meaning she is
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: wandering aimlessly.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Or conversely, is she acting with cold calculation?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Right? Is she intentionally walking at a normal pace, specifically
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to avoid drawing attention from anyone looking out their window.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith outlines how police utilize this specific type of footage.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They don't just note it and say, oh, she went north,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: let's drive that way.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No, they use that first camera on Westcott Street as
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a definitive starting block. They go to the next house
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and knock on that door.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Then the next they check every local store, every residential
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: ring camera, every municipal traffic camera mounted on a light post.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: They painstakingly pieced together her root of travel frame by frame,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: timestamp by timestamp, until the camera footage simply stops.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They are building a rigid physical timeline to see exactly
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: how far she got on foot before she either changed
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: her mode of transportation, got picked up, or managed to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: go completely off the grid.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But the physical video surveillance isn't the only piece of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the puzzle they found early on right, there's a really mysterious,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: compelling piece of dispatch audio in the source material that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: adds a whole new layer to this timeline.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: The voicemail.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. On the radio, you hear the officers at the
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: scene actively discussing a phone number linked to a female caller.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: One officer says, we just want to know if it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: somebody from inside two seventeen they called, or if it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: somebody from a different like a neighbor or something.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And then another officer comes back and confirms her voicemail
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: on her phone says it's Karen Solomon.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So police are actively trying to figure out in those
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: early moments, if Karen herself made a call to dispatch
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: before she vanished.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Which is a massive game changing variable in understanding her mindset.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: If she was the one who called nine to one
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: one are called the precinct directly, what exactly did she say?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Did she report an emergency, realizing what she had done
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and then panic and run before they arrived.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Did she confess to something on that call, or did
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: she call from a neighbor's yard watching the house as
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: she was walking away.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Understanding the context and the precise timing of that call
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: is vital to understanding her psychological state. Was she seeking
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: help or was she creating a diversion?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But alongside the physical cameras and the mystery of the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: phone records. The modern manhunt also extends deeply into the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: financial and digital ether right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Tom Smith mentioned the immediate pivot to checking for missing
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: wallets from the home and tracking credit card pings.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: They are looking to see if she bought gas at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a station down the road, if she bought a bus
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: ticket out of state, or if she went through a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: large sum of cash from a local ATM to fund
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: her run.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Because the reality is you can walk away from a house,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and you can disappear from a neighborhood, but you cannot
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: walk in definitely without resources.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You need food, you need shelter, you need transportation.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: In our society, every single time a credit card is
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: swiped or a cell phone ping's a local tower, it
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: creates a digital breadcrumb.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But the challenge for investigators, and this is where the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: friction of police work meets the speed of technology, is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: gathering that data in real time.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: We often think police just type a name into a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: computer and see a dot on a map.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, CSI makes it look so easy.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It does, but in reality, unless a phone is actively
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: broadcasting GPS coordinates via an emergency ping, tracking involves subpeening
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: telecom companies.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Or banks, which takes time.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It takes analyzing which cell towers the phone briefly shook
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: hands with to maintain service, and triangulating a rough area.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: They're constantly racing against the clock, trying to predict her
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: next move based on a behavioral profile that is, as
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: we established, entirely contradictory.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Think about the digital footprint you leave just running errands
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Instead of saying is like finding a needle in a haystack.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Think of this digital manhun like trying to find a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: single specific drop of dye in a raging, flowing river
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of neighborhood data.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: That's a really good way to visualize it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: There is so much civilian data constantly pinging delivery drivers,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: neighbors on their morning commutes, kids walking to school with
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: smart watches, and the police have to filter all of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that out to find her specific signal.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: In a decently large city like Worcester, Massachusetts, with all
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: those cameras in towers, how does someone just vanish into
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: thin air after the first block.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It suggests two possibilities. Either she got incredibly lucky and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: stumbled into a blind spot or someone picked her up.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Which means the police aren't just looking for a woman
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: walking down the street anymore, they have to expand their
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: search matrix exponentially.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And when that physical and digital trail starts to run cold,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: when the neighborhood cameras stop showing her face, when the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: credit cards aren't being used, and the phone is powered down,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: law enforcement has to pivot their strategy.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: They can no longer just follow. They have to provoke
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a response.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: They have to rely on public messaging to try and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: flush the person out into the open.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But in a case like this, with a suspect like
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Karen Solomon, who possesses intimate knowledge of police tactics, issuing
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a public warning requires walking an incredibly delicate, highly dangerous
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: psychological tightrope.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the psychology of the run and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the really heavy consequential label they placed on her.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Almost immediately, the district attorney and the police chief held
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a press conference and publicly labeled Karen Solomon as potentially
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: armed and dangerous.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Now we've talked extensively about her background, an author, a
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: mental health advocate, the sweetest woman, putting that specific, aggressive
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: label on her is a massive escalation in how the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: public perceives her and.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: How patrol officers will approach her if they spot her. Yes,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it is a massive escalation, but as Tom Smith explains,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: law enforcement does not use that term lightly and it
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: is rarely a guess.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It's based on evidence.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: It almost certainly stems directly from what they found or specifically,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: what they didn't find at the crime scene during that
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: grid search. We discussed earlier.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: If Kurt Solomon's department issued service weapon is missing from
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the lock box in the home, that immediately unequivocally triggers
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the armed designation.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly Alternatively, depending on the specific nature of Kurt's fatal injuries,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: if the medical examiner determines it was a gunshot wound
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and no gun was recovered anywhere in the house or
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the yard, they have to operate under the assumption that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the fleeing individual took the weapon with them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It ceases to be about her public persona and becomes
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: strictly a matter of immedia, public safety, and officers survival.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But interestingly, while they use that heavy label, the police
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: also made a very specific, calculated point in that press
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: conference to clarify that she is currently only wanted for questioning.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: They explicitly stated she has not officially labeled a murder suspect,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: yet they are.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Clearly trying to manage the narrative. They are warning the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: public to stay away, but they are also sending a
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: message directly to her wherever she is hiding.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: If we connect this to the bigger picture, this is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a classic hostage negotiator mindset applied on a macroscale to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a manhunt.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It is you have to understand the psychological timeline of desperation.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Tom Smith points out that for someone on the run,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: especially someone who is not a hardened, seasoned career criminal
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: used to evading the law, time distorts horribly.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: As he put it, an hour feels like a day.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: The psychological pressure is immense and compounding. You are exhausted,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you are hungry, you are hyper paranoid that every passing
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: car is an undercover unit.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That specific type of raw desperation often leads people who
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: would never otherwise commit a crime to commit secondary crimes
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: just to survive another hour.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Right like stealing clothes off a clothesline to change their appearance,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: shop lifting food from a gas station, or even escalating
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to carjacking out a sheer panic to get out of
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the containment area.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So the police are caught in this terrible dilemma. They
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: have a duty to warn.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: The public, people and wister, especially the neighbors who live
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: near that crime scene, want to know if there is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a potential killer hiding in their shed or their backyard.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: But if the police come down too hard in the press,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: if they label her a cold blood and murderer right
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: out of the gate and blast her face on every
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: screen with the word killer underneath, they risk pushing Karen
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: into a psychological corner from which there is no peaceful return.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly, you have to think about how she is receiving
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: this information. If she is sitting in a motel room
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: or a parked car somewhere, watching the news on her
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: burner phone, and she believes that the police have already
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: convicted her in the court of public opinion.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: That she will inevitably go to a maximum security prison
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: for the rest of her life, regardless of what actually
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: happened in that bathroom.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: She might feel she has absolutely nothing left to lose.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: That kind of profound hopelessness is the most dangerous state
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: for a fugitive.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: It can push them to take drastic, often fatal measures.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Either forcing a violent confrontation with law enforcement in a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: suicide by cop scenario or turning the weapon on themselves.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: The police have to leave her a conversational out.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: They have to say through the media, we just want
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to talk to you. We haven't made up our minds.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Come tell us if it was self defense, Come explain
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: your side of the story.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: They are actively trying to de escalate a fugitive they
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: haven't even found yet, trying to copex her out safely
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: before desperation takes over.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Wait, let me push back on this idea of raw
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: despiration for a second, because I think her profile complicates
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this immensely.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Ok.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You said she's not a career criminal, and that's obviously true,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but she is deeply, deeply embedded in police culture. She
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: hasn't just read about this. She has written books on
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the psychology of law enforcement. She has talked to hundreds
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: of officers. Doesn't she know exactly how the police are
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: searching for her?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: She absolutely does.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: If she knows the playbook. She knows about the grid searches.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: She knows exactly how cell phone triangulation works. She knows
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that they are monitoring her credit cards, and she probably
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: even knows how long it takes them to get a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: subpoena for an out of state bank account.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: She's an expert.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Does her insider knowledge make her less prone to making
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: those desperate amateur mistakes because she knows exactly what traps
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to avoid? Or conversely, does it make her infinitely more
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: desperate because she knows exactly how vast the machine hunting
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: her is and she knows it is mathematically impossible to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: hide forever.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: That is the million dollar question, and it is precisely
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: what makes this case so unprecedented and so difficult for
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the worst repd Her insider knowledge makes her a highly
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: atypical and incredibly dangerous fugitive.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You're right, she does know the playbook.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: If she is thinking logically, she knows that turning her
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: cell phone on even for a second to check the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: news will result in a localized pain.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: She knows that if she reaches out to a mutual
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: friend in the department that line is already being monitored.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: She knows to avoid areas with high concentrations of municipal
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: cameras or license plate readers.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But here's the counter argument, and the reality that law
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: enforcement relies on knowing the playbook intellectually doesn't negate the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: physiological reality of being an animal on the run.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: The body betrays the mind exactly.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: The human body still needs sleep, food, and shelter from
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the elements.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: The psychological toll of absolute isolation, coupled with the adrenaline
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: crash that inevitably follows a violent event, deeply degrades cognitive function.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You stop thinking like an author and start thinking like prey.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So why While her inside knowledge might help her perfectly
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: evade capture for the first forty eight hours by avoiding
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the obvious digital and physical mistakes, the relentless grinding pressure
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: of the manhunt will eventually force an error.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: The police have endless shifts, endless resources, and they can wait.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: She cannot.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It's a terrifying game of endurance, and her insider knowledge
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: isn't the only massive complication here. What else? It's not
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: just about her knowing how they operate. It's about the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: very nature of who is doing the hunting.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Oh right, the fact that the investigating officers are looking
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: for the wife of their fallen colleague.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: It introduces a legal, procedural, and emotional land mine that
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: could blow the entire case of part in court if
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: they aren't perfectly.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Careful, which leads us to our final area of focus,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the immense strain on the thin blue line and institutional integrity.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most precarious aspect of the entire
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: investigation from a procedural standpoint, and it's something the public
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: rarely considers during a manhunt.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We have to continually remember that Kurt Solomon was a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: thirty one year veteran of the very same police department
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that is now actively investigating his death and hunting for his.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Wife thirty one years. Think about what that means in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a workplace.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: That means he trained officers who are now senior detectives.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: He mentored rookies who are now lieutenants.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: He probably attended summer barbecues, weddings, and funerals with the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: men and women who are currently bagging his bloodstained belongings
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: as evidence in that house.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: The deep personal relationships and emotional ties to both the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: victim Kurt and the person interest Karen, permeate absolutely every
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: single level of that department.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And that profound emotional entanglement is exactly the vulnerability that
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a skilled defense attorney looks for.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Smith issued a very stark, very real warning about
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the defense attorney's playbook. In situations exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Like this from minute one, before she is even captured,
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  Speaker 2: before charges are even filed, defense teams are watching the
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  Speaker 2: departments every public and private move.
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  Speaker 1: They are looking to see if they can build a
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  Speaker 1: credible narrative of a vendetta or revenge plot by the police.
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  Speaker 2: They want to prove bias absolutely.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: If a grieving officer at the scene cuts a minor
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  Speaker 1: procedural corner because they are distracted by the site of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: their dead friend, or if a detective makes an emotionally charged,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: angry statement to a local reporter, a defense attorney will
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  Speaker 1: immediately seize on that.
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  Speaker 2: They will file motions to suppress evidence, claiming that the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: chain of custody was compromised by grief stricken officers who
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: weren't thinking clearly.
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  Speaker 1: They will argue in court that the investigation was inherently biased,
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  Speaker 1: that the police weren't objectively looking for the truth or
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: exploring other suspects, but that they were just out to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: blindly avenge their fallen brother.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: It is a highly effective strategy to introduce reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the leadership at
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the Worcester Police Department. How do you manage a precinct
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  Speaker 1: full of men and women who are actively grieving a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: friend of three decades while also demanding they perform an
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: air tight, flawless, high stakes homicide investigation.
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  Speaker 2: On his wife. It requires an extraordinary, almost superhuman burden
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  Speaker 2: of leadership from the top down. The commanders and chiefs
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  Speaker 2: have to pull their detectives into a briefing room and
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge the profound emotional toll this is taking.
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  Speaker 1: They have to validate the grief because ignoring it is dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: But in the exact same breath, they have to demand absolute,
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  Speaker 2: pristine professionalism. There can be no rogue actions, no overly
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: aggressive interrogations, no skip steps on a search warrant.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith said it best preparation for a trial begins
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the second law enforcement gets to the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Every single photograph taken in that bathroom, every interview conducted
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: with a neighbor, every piece of evidence logged in the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: grid search has to be done with the acute knowledge
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that a highly paid defense attorney will put it under
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: a microscope years from now, actively looking for any sign
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  Speaker 2: of impropriety born of grief.
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  Speaker 1: It is an extreme pressure cooker picture trying to do
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  Speaker 1: your own job flawlessly with no mistakes while actively processing
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the sudden, violent death of a coworker you've known for
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: thirty years, And.
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  Speaker 2: On top of that trauma, you are hunting a woman
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: you likely shared meals with, a woman you respected for
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: her advocacy work, knowing that if you made one single
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: procedural mistake out of anger, sorrow, or distraction, you could
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: be the direct reason a perpetrator walks free on a technicality.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: The mental discipline required to compartmentalize that level of trauma
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and execute the mission perfectly is almost unfathomable.
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate test of institutional integrity. The Worcester
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Police Department has to prove to the public, to the media,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and eventually to a jury, that the justice system works
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: fairly and objectively, even when the system itself is bleeding.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: This entire case, from top to bottom, is just a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: dizzying study in stark contrast.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: We started with a grisly, bloody suburban crime scene that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: shattered the quiet of an early morning.
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  Speaker 2: We have a highly respected mental health advocate, a woman
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: known far and wide for her kindness and empathy, who
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: is now the subject of a man hunt.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: We have that chillingly calm getaway caught on a neighbour's care,
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  Speaker 1: violently contrasting with the desperate, high stakes reality of a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: fugitive on the run.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a police department forced into the agonizing
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: position of hunting one of their own community members while
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: keeping their profound personal grief entirely in check so they
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: don't compromise.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: The case is a complex, heartbreaking puzzle, and right now
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: as we record this, many of the crucial pieces are
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: still missing, and.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: As investigators continue to desperately search for those missing pieces,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: they are relying on every single tool they have, physical
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: grid searches, digital breadcrumbs, and psychological profiling.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Because they know that every hour that passes inherently changes
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the dynamic of the search and the degrading state of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: mind of the person they are looking for. Yes, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: want to leave you with a final chilling thought to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: maul over something for you to explore on your own
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that builds on everything we've discussed, but adds a whole
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: new layer of impossible complexity to this situation.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is a tough one.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It is. Tom Smith mentioned during his analysis that sprit
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: people on the run almost always reach out to family
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: or close friends for help. For money, or just to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: try and explain themselves when the isolation becomes too much.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Right when we know Karen Solomon has deep entrenched ties
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to the law enforcement community, and she even has family
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: members who wear.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: The badge, which is a crazy twist.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine for just a second that she manages to evade
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the municipal cameras, she avoids the credit card pings, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: she finds a burner phone she dials a familiar number. Wow,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: if Karen did make contact with a family member who
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: is an active duty police officer, imagine the impossible, agonizing
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: moral and professional dilemma that officer faces in that split second.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It's absolute minightmare.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: When they hear her voice on the other end of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the line. What do they do? Do they owe their
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: loyalty to their blood, to the woman they love and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: have only ever known as a kind advocate?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Or do they owe their strict loyalty to the badge,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: to the uncompromising law and to their fallen brother Kurt.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It's a terrifying no wins. What would you do if
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the phone rang