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O.J.: Made in America Is Delicious w/ No Season Two · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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  Grab a plate and taste the delicious culture.
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  I'm your host, Jon Francois. Oh, my goodness.
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  We have some great guests returning. But if you're
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  only familiar with like the delicious culture
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  era of this pod, let me kind of refresh and explain
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  who they are. They are George Gordon and Megan
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  Curran from the No Season 2 podcast. Now, way
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  back, if you remember from the delicious recap
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  era of this podcast, I had him on. And I believe
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  our episode was called Little Richie Was Cringe
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  or something like that? Oh, no, no, Little Richie
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  from Family Matters was Cringe, because at the
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  time, we were recapping episodes of the 90s sitcom
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  Family Matters and also talking to the cast and
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  crew. So I think you and I, Megan, and I think
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  George as well, we were just kind of like saying,
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  oh, Little Richie is so annoying. Wasn't that
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  the gist of the conversation? Yeah, that was
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  the gist of the conversation. I stand by it.
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  Yeah, my co -host at the time, A .J. van der
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  Ton, like, wasn't able to come on. He's a little
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  Richie Stan. So, like, later on, he was just
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  like, oh, God, you guys are terrible. Um, cool.
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  So that was January 2025 that that episode came
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  out. But I think we recorded it in, like, late
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  2024. How did update me on your lives, guys?
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  Like, what has changed in the past year and a
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  half? Um, well, we're taking, we've taken a little
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  extended break since our last... season. I had
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  what they called a thyroid storm and I ended
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  up in the hospital. That was not delicious, I
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  can tell you. Yeah. I mean, if you're not comfortable,
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  you don't have to expand upon that. I'm on the
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  mend and I don't foresee going back to the hospital.
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  I'm on meds. I have like so many doctors, so
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  many co -pays because health insurance is great
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  in America. Meaning no one can afford it. Yeah,
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  exactly. And for the podcast, we're gonna pick
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  things back up in 2027 after, you know, I just
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  need to chill a little bit before we get back
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  to like, you know, as you know, it's a lot of
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  work to like, Choose a show, watch the episodes,
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  write a recap, talk about it, edit it. It's a
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  lot of mental. work and can be stressful, so
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  I just needed a little break. Yeah, just to recap
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  for our audience, your podcast, I believe, you
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  guys do various shows that have not gone past
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  a first season. But I will say, I was listening
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  to your recent episode, you did a season four
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  recap of a show called Tell Me You Love Me. So
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  that's gone beyond not only a first season, but
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  a second season as well. It's four seasons in.
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  So I'm curious, what's the story behind that
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  detour? I think if you're, it was only one season.
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  I think our, it was our season four recap of
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  the show, Tell Me You Love Me. I think it's confusing
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  on the Spotify, the Spotify title. Wait, I'm
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  so confused. What do you mean your season four
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  recap of Tell Me You Love Me? Like our, it was
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  our season four where we did Tell Me You Love
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  Me and we recapped. It was our like entire season
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  recap of our season four. of Tell Me You Love
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  Me. It's a little confusing how exciting. I was
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  already saying that you guys have been, so you've
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  been doing this podcast for four seasons is what
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  you're saying? Yeah, we haven't. We've gone past
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  one season, but the shows that we do have not
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  gone past one season. Got it. Okay. Okay. Cause
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  I was like, wait, what? Season four of a show,
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  but you're no season two? No, definitely not.
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  Yeah. I definitely couldn't have invested four
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  seasons into Tell Me You Love Me. Tell you that
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  much George can you expand upon what the show
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  is about and why you guys didn't like it? It
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  was about couples and therapy. There's some reasons
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  why we didn't like it the I tell people that
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  the show was odd because the sex was very graphic
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  and not in a fun way like it was like almost
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  like a little too real and kind of like off -putting
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  and yeah, we're not liking it like kind of going
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  like hey, I'm there for some some simulated sex
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  scenes, but right for so like like a little too
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  much and When the show premiered like I guess
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  in 2002 is that right Megan when that show aired
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  2007 2007 Was it like a premium cable kind of
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  show where did it was yeah? I was it was an HBO
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  and it never confirmed or denied whether or not
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  their sex was real until like maybe the second
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  or third episode and then of course we're like
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  hey guys, this is the sex series simulated, but
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  it was so graphic that it was kind of a major
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  turnoff, and I didn't like the show for that
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  reason. Yeah, there's something to be said about
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  sex scenes and how far you can take it. Like,
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  the first thing that came to my mind when you
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  guys were talking about this is the show Nip
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  Tuck. Have you ever seen Nip Tuck? Sure. Yeah,
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  so, I mean, I'm sure it's tame compared to...
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  Tell me you love me, but like I remember watching
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  that in the early 2010s. I was a college age.
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  So definitely like the hormones were reducing
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  up. compared to where I am now as a 34 year old.
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  But even then with every sex scene that I was
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  enjoying, there were some times where I was just
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  like, okay, this is a little too much and I need
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  to like take a break and watch, I don't know,
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  Veggie Tales or something. Like I just need to
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  separate myself from this. Yeah. Like, I don't
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  know. I just feel like with sex scenes, it's
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  very challenging to make it necessary. And if
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  it was, I don't know, I think if certain like
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  shows, especially of the like HBO kind did a
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  better job of like, maybe having a more, I don't
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  know, more mysterious implication of it. Sure.
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  Rather than like, all right, we're going to show
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  you like bare penis and vagina. Like, because
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  once you get to like that, like, oh my God, we're
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  seeing all the graphic, like genitalia and everything
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  like that. It does start to feel like porn, right?
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  It does. And oddly enough, the best part of the
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  show was the therapy sessions. So when the show
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  in treatment came out, like a couple of years
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  later, they actually probably did a better job
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  of just making that the focal point of the show,
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  which was the character in therapy. which was
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  the only part of the show that I think Megan
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  was probably the only part of the show we actually
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  enjoyed. Yeah, that was the only part that I
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  know I enjoyed. Everything else. It was hard
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  to like any of the couples also. There was that
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  too. So that was like, that was an issue. It
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  was like, oh, none of these people seem enjoyable
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  to be around. I can understand why they're having
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  problems. Like, it was just like too much. The
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  sex was like overdone. At a certain point, you
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  just were like, can I fast, like I would fast
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  forward. through it like on my rewatch because
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  I was like, I don't need to see this again. It's
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  not really adding anything. It's just there.
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  to be there. Right. What is the ratio of shows
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  that you guys review that you do like versus
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  you don't like? Because I remember a year and
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  a half ago when I was talking about a show you
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  were recapping at the time, I think you had mentioned
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  not liking that show either. So I'm just kind
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  of curious, what's the balance of that? Are you
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  into more shows that you do like versus don't
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  like or vice versa? And maybe give me some examples
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  of shows that you do like. I think for me, I'm
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  at 50 -50. I liked my so -called life and I liked
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  Dark Shadows, the reboot of Dark Shadows. I didn't
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  enjoy Firefly for various reasons. There were
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  aspects of it that were okay and watchable and
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  decent, but overall I was just kind of like,
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  eh. It's not my it's not my bag even though I
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  enjoy like things like Star Trek Like Star Wars
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  and that kind of stuff. This is just like space
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  Western. It's not for me And then tell me you
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  love me was just like it's okay. Remember that
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  song Firefly like is that the That's like a Disney
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  show. Yeah, I think so But that theme song would
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  have added a different quality to the Jocelyn
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  and Firefly. Maybe. Megan, I think I'm two, one,
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  and one. My so -called life in Dark Shadows or
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  Two Winds, Tell Me You Love Me, I think was a
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  loss. Even though there's aspects of the show
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  I did like, I mean, it had legit people on it.
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  Adam Scott, Sonia Walker. These are people who
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  are still major people today. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Lou Kirby. It had like real talent on that show.
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  It just didn't... didn't land the plane. And
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  then there were elements of Firefly, actually,
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  kind of like... Nathan Fillion was kind of fun.
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  Yeah, I guess. You have to, like, enjoy Nathan
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  Fillion's style. That is very true. Of acting
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  and persona. And I'm not sure I'm, like, totally
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  on board with. Can you recap what Firefly is
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  about and why you were not crazy about it, Megan,
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  and maybe, did you say you were crazy about it,
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  George, or no? I liked, there was a couple episodes
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  that were very, very good. He liked it a lot
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  more than I did. I liked it a lot more, because
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  I'm like, seemingly a 13 -year -old boy. Right.
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  Give me the elevator picture of the show, if
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  you don't mind. So, it's a space western. So
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  everything is like dust, it's space, but it's
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  dusty, okay? There's like saloons, there's trains.
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  Okay. You make it sound so entertaining. You
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  say dusty and all I'm thinking of like, oh my
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  God, do I have to take my Allegra to watch this
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  show? Like what's going on? If you don't die
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  of Bowdoin's Malady, which is like a terrible
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  disease that existed in space. Um, like there's
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  gun fighting, there's like heists, there's like
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  that kind of stuff. And there, it's a group of
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  people on a ship and they're, some knew each
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  other when there was like a war going on between
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  federations. Um, and then like others are like
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  people they picked up along the way. And then
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  there's like this girl who has like abilities.
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  You rolled your eyes. Why do you roll your eyes
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  at her abilities? She is a lot, okay? Like really
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  braggadocio about it? No, she's weird. Weird
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  in the way that's not fun to be around. Got it.
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  All right. She's just weird, but she can fight
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  because she has abilities because she was like...
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  They did experiments on her. So there's, I think
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  there's a lot going on and they should've like
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  narrowed the scope. There's a lot going on. It's
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  like one part Indiana Jones, one part Star Wars,
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  one part a sixth sense. It's like, it's basically
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  like he had a shopping cart and was like, all
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  right, let me get a little bit of this. Let me
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  get a little bit of that. Let me get a little
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  bit of that. We'll see if we can make this gumbo
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  out of all these other genres. But uh, they're
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  pretty good. Yeah, I guess. It's probably not
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  surprising that it didn't go past one season,
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  but, you know, I hear it's one of those cult
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  classics that has been appreciated later on by
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  some people, not Megan Curran. Uh, Curran, right?
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  Curran? Yes. Okay, okay. I'm so bad with pronunciation,
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  so I'm going to annoy you with asking you. No,
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  a lot of people can't pronounce it, so I just,
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  like, most of the time I'm like, whatever. Okay.
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  But if somebody asks, I will. Well, I mean, Megan
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  and I have been friends for almost 15 years,
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  and I'm still kind of like, is it, is it this?
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  Yeah. And I said before the podcast that it reminded
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  me of like an Indian dish, but now I'm remembering
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  that there's a, the Quran, like, isn't that like
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  a Hindu Bible or some crap like that? Yeah, I
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  think it's the Islamic Bible. There you go, Islamic
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  Bible. Yeah, a lot of people pronounce it like
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  Quran, like, and I'm like, okay. Yeah, yeah,
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  I know. It's like how people misspell my first
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  name. My birth name is Jonathan, even though
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  I go by John on the podcast. Um, and they do
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  like J O H N a T H N or a T H O N. And like,
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  anytime I see that in paperwork, I'm just like,
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  all right, this is weird, but no puppies have
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  been killed in the misspelling of my name. So
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  I guess I'll just take it as it is. Um, any who,
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  so I definitely want to see my so -called life,
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  uh, be only because my wife and I recently finished
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  homeland, which also has Claire Danes and I've
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  never seen her. as a child actress aside from
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  like Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo Caprio years
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  ago, I've only seen Claire Danes in Homeland
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  and that movie that she did on Netflix with Matthew
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  Reese, which is like, I think it was called like
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  The Beast in Me or something like that. So have
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  you guys seen both Claire Danes in her adult
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  era and her child era or just her child era?
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  Like, and if you've seen both, like how would
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  you compare? Because I'm really curious to see
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  how she is as a child actress. My mic is jankity
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  I don't like it. I mean, it looks professional
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  -ish right here as you're watching on the camera,
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  if you're watching on YouTube, but it, you know,
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  it's, it could be better. It's on the low volume
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  side. I could get all technical with it, but
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  I'm just not satisfied with it. And to get the
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  quality mic that I need so that I could give
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  you fresh audio quality content filled with lifestyle
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  food and pop culture deliciousness on the delicious
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  culture. I'd love any donation that you think
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  I would be worth. this podcast you love hearing
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  a good quality podcast mike it's like a few hundred
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  dollars it's insane damn you amazon at the delicious
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  culture on paypal or venmo at the delicious culture
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  on paypal or venmo thank you I watched Homeland.
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  I would definitely say like, what? Did you not
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  like that too? I loved Homeland. No, I mean,
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  there's aspects of it that I really enjoyed.
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  And then there's other aspects. I was like, okay,
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  there is a lot going on. And it's, I guess at
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  a time, it's like kind of like peak Islamophobia.
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  And so like watching it, I watched it in like
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  2024, 2025. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, it came
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  out in like 2010s. That doesn't hold up too well
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  in certain aspects. Well, I'm going to counter
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  that because there were definitely some points
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  where they gave like a sense of humanity to the
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  to the terrorist Islamic side. Right. I mean,
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  I'm I mean, maybe sometimes I can see that. I
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  think more so just like this state of like because
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  it's pretty soon I want to like I think her backstory
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  is like she thought she could have prevented
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  9 -11 or something because she has like she has
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  she has like anxiety or like bipolar or bipolar
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  or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
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  she works with the CIA. I don't think we've done
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  anything to help that situation. But I would
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  say, like, you can definitely see how Claire
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  Danes, if you watch My So -Called Life, you can
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  definitely see how she was able to transition
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  to adult roles versus, like, other shows you
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  watch with child actors, Stranger Things, and
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  they can't. They can't transition to sort of
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  more adult or mature roles because, like, it
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  takes a different skill set. So you're saying
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  Millie Bobby Brown doesn't know how to mature
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  into an adult actress? I don't think she can
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  act very well. I don't think she can act either.
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  I think a lot of those kids can act very well.
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  George, tell me why you don't like Millie Bobby
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  Brown. What's the whole deal on that? I think
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  she's just kind of stuck in one gear. Like, I'm
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  not really sure, like, what else she could do
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  aside from, like, a Netflix... blah, blah, blah.
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  Um, and she's, I don't, I don't, I didn't hate
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  that show, but I didn't love it either. But she
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  was one of the worst parts of the show. Um, it's
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  tough to compare her to Claire Danes. Claire
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  Danes was a one of one. Like you could tell early
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  on, like she's like 15 on the show. It was like,
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  Oh no, this person is really, really talented.
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  And aside from when she was done with that show,
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  Romeo and Juliet, she went to college. So she
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  got to have some life experiences that weren't
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  being an actor. And I think that probably elevated
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  her as an actor. As a performer, it's like being
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  able to experience other things. Right. Millie
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  Bobby Brown... Like in spotlight the whole time.
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  Right. I think Millie Bobby Brown, when she first
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  came out as Eleven, when she was like a little
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  child in the early episodes, I think there was
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  a certain vulnerability that she gave to the
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  character that I enjoyed seeing. When she grew
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  up, I think that's where I can kind of agree
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  with you. I think when she grew up and now she's
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  like this 18, 19 -year -old person... I didn't
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  think too much about her acting ability when
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  I was watching, because I guess I was just so
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  used to like, oh, Millie Budd rounds presents
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  on Stranger Things. I just didn't give too much
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  thought about it. But now that I think about
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  it, it's like, oh yeah, like as she grew up,
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  maybe she could have taken an acting class or
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  two to show a little bit more, I don't know,
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  animated emotional range to her character, if
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  that makes any sense. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly
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  easier to not want to hone your craft when you're
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  already... Super successful. At a young age,
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  yeah. I think she was like, hey, I already got
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  this. It's like, I'm pretty good. We all love
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  that chance. Yeah, I know, right? To be super
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  successful and not have to hone our craft. Exactly.
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  Well, you know, a lot of child actors can say
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  that. There was a time where, not surprisingly,
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  I was like watching Nickelodeon growing up as
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  a child and I'm like, oh my God, I want to be
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  them. And then, of course, years later, you look
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  at something like, what's that documentary about
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  the Nickelodeon child actors that was like really
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  terrible. Oh, it was on like. It was on. HBO
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  Max, I believe. It was quite on set, quite on
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  set. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, and
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  we actually reviewed that when we were doing
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  the Delicious Recap era of this podcast. And
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  now I'm more thankful that I had a normal childhood
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  because, you know, there is, it is a lot. Like
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  when you're developing as a child, you don't
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  really know what the world is. You look at adults
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  as like the people that know everything and follow
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  their lead, but when you clearly are led by adults
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  that are not good examples, then yeah, that can
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  fuck you up as a child in that business, so.
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  Yeah, especially a lot of them are predatory,
• 19:46
  too. So that's like, no one's around protecting
• 19:49
  the children because the parents view it as like
• 19:52
  a meal ticket for themselves. I mean, can you
• 19:55
  imagine, like, imagine you guys, like, like all
• 19:59
  of us as kids being our parents' meal ticket,
• 20:02
  like having that responsibility of providing
• 20:04
  or paying the bills for our adult parents. I
• 20:08
  could not imagine that would be... Yeah, it's
• 20:10
  like a horrible situation to put your child in.
• 20:14
  And you have to look at like the... the structure
• 20:16
  that allows it has gone back, I think, probably
• 20:19
  to the dawn of Hollywood. But the studios like
• 20:24
  Disney and Paramount, they should be responsible
• 20:29
  for having protections in place for children.
• 20:33
  I think the 80s and 90s and the 70s was probably
• 20:37
  a free for all. Just like, oh, you're a child
• 20:43
  predator, come be a - Come work on our show.
• 20:47
  Come lead the show. Come lead all that and the
• 20:52
  Amanda Bynes show. It's fine. Like, what are
• 20:55
  we doing? If you're a child predator, it's Christmas
• 20:57
  morning. Come on by. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.
• 21:02
  So, okay, Megan, you told us about your unfortunate
• 21:06
  thyroid issue and I'm hoping you're feeling better.
• 21:10
  I'm feeling a lot better. I felt better the moment
• 21:13
  I got out of the hospital. Good. Because it was
• 21:16
  a, the hospital's a weird place, everyone. I'd
• 21:19
  never been, I'd never had to stay in one. And
• 21:23
  it's just a weird, weird place. What, meaning
• 21:26
  like just the people you have to, like the fellow
• 21:29
  patients? Like, what do you mean by that? The
• 21:30
  fellow patients. So I was like, at first I was
• 21:32
  in the emergency room and the emergency room
• 21:35
  is like the wild west of. Just personalities.
• 21:40
  As seen on the pit, yeah. Yeah. So, like, ranging
• 21:45
  from the more normal, I would say me, to like
• 21:50
  people who were calling, who are, there was one
• 21:53
  gentleman near me who was calling the hospital
• 21:56
  to ask why the nurse hadn't come by to see him.
• 22:00
  But I was like, is that really necessary? And
• 22:03
  he's just shouting nurse like over and over again.
• 22:05
  Oh, God. I was under the impression, like, from
• 22:09
  watching TV, I was like, oh, I'll get a private
• 22:11
  room. No. Uh, I shared, I had to share a room
• 22:16
  and that was, um, that was weird too. With how
• 22:19
  many people? Just one other person, but she was
• 22:22
  going through it and therefore I was going through
• 22:25
  it. Got it. Through her going through it. So
• 22:28
  you had your own little episode of One Flew Over
• 22:30
  the Cuckoo's Nest. Yeah, it's just, uh, it's
• 22:32
  just a weird place. And like, you can't... You
• 22:35
  think you go to the hospital to get well, you
• 22:37
  go to the hospital to get evaluated and for them
• 22:40
  to figure out what's wrong with you. And they're
• 22:42
  bothering you every second of the day. 5 a .m.,
• 22:47
  they're like checking your vitals. So it's like
• 22:48
  you don't sleep. The food is really not. Fantastic,
• 22:53
  right? Like, what did you have? They give you
• 22:55
  a lot of options, but I think they could narrow
• 22:58
  the options and provide like a higher quality.
• 23:01
  Tell me what you were thinking. chicken strips
• 23:05
  and like green beans and like mac and cheese.
• 23:07
  Cause I was like, you can't really, it's like
• 23:11
  hard to mess up. And even if it's like not great,
• 23:13
  it's still like edible. But they messed up the
• 23:16
  chicken tenders and the, and the yeah, it was
• 23:19
  like chicken tenders, but they were like baked
• 23:21
  and they were like covered in like corn flakes
• 23:23
  or something. Just like strange. Just so strange.
• 23:28
  Is that a thing people do is put cornflakes cereal
• 23:30
  on their chicken tenders? Is that a trend? I
• 23:32
  think so to like be healthy or something. But
• 23:35
  it's like, I'm already like here. Can we like
• 23:40
  get me some like real chicken tenders or something?
• 23:44
  No, not the hospital. They're like, hey, here's
• 23:46
  your $20 ,000 bill and also disgusting food.
• 23:50
  Luckily, I mean, I will say I'm grateful to have
• 23:53
  insurance because I did see an itemized bill
• 23:57
  of what it would have cost without insurance
• 23:59
  and I definitely would have faked my death to
• 24:02
  not have to pay that. Someone else would have
• 24:06
  had to pick up the slack for you. They would
• 24:08
  have had to call it a loss. Just grateful, even
• 24:14
  though it's like, would it hurt to have universal
• 24:18
  healthcare? It wouldn't. It would not. It would
• 24:21
  not hurt. It would help. But it is what it is.
• 24:26
  I'm at least grateful that I was able to use
• 24:28
  insurance. I'm so truly happy that you have health
• 24:31
  insurance and that you're doing better. My wife
• 24:34
  and I, we had to get off of our health insurance
• 24:36
  late last year because as you knew from seeing
• 24:40
  the news, the Obamacare subsidies expired and
• 24:44
  they were not renewed. And we went from like
• 24:48
  paying 16 cents a month to an offer of like,
• 24:51
  $2 ,000 per month, like for the same insurance.
• 24:56
  And yeah, I know, I know. So we were like, all
• 24:58
  right, well, fortunately we're both relatively
• 25:01
  young and healthy, so I guess we're not gonna
• 25:04
  have insurance for 2026. So yes, I get it, Megan,
• 25:06
  it is criminal and hopefully universal healthcare
• 25:10
  does become a thing in the future. I mean, we
• 25:13
  can all, we all just have to hope a little harder,
• 25:16
  everyone. Yes, hope a little, hope a little harder.
• 25:20
  Hope a little harder. Oh, I thought you said
• 25:22
  hope. Vote. Yes. Yeah. Hope and vote. We got
• 25:25
  to do both. Maybe we can get a democratic socialist
• 25:30
  as president of the United States. It's working
• 25:33
  well for New York. It is. It is. I mean, I...
• 25:37
  And you know what, Mondami and them, they're
• 25:40
  kind of proving my theory correct, which is that,
• 25:43
  like, we've seen centrism, centristness on both
• 25:48
  the Democrat and Republican side. We've certainly
• 25:51
  seen how the far right works in a big sense with
• 25:54
  this current administration. And my theory was,
• 25:57
  you know what, like, once we've seen that all
• 25:59
  of this doesn't really work, then I... Yeah,
• 26:03
  the only way to go is democratic socialism. And
• 26:06
  Mondami is proving that it's a very compassionate
• 26:09
  way of serving your community. So yeah, I'm with
• 26:13
  you, Megan. If we can get that for 2028, it's
• 26:15
  going to be a big ask. Yeah, it's a big ask because
• 26:19
  obviously, you know, half of the country definitely
• 26:21
  does not like anything associated with socialism.
• 26:24
  They, they cringe at just hearing the word. So
• 26:27
  I think if we get that negative association out
• 26:29
  and, and, and keep on showing through what Mondami
• 26:32
  is doing that like, no, actually like this is
• 26:35
  looking out for the 99 % literally the majority
• 26:39
  of this country who should be looked out for
• 26:41
  not these few billionaires and one trillionaire.
• 26:44
  Like, you know, it's yeah. I'm hoping. This is
• 26:49
  deja vu. Literally the last time we were talking,
• 26:51
  like a year and a half ago, it was like, oh my
• 26:53
  God, like, let's hope Donald Trump doesn't win
• 26:54
  again in 2025. And yet here we are and we're
• 26:58
  hoping for the same in 2028. George, what's going
• 27:02
  on with you? I mean, from the recent episode,
• 27:06
  I did hear about your bartending and maybe you
• 27:08
  mentioned it a year and a half ago, but you're
• 27:11
  still bartending? Still a bartender. I've been
• 27:13
  doing that for... It seems like all my life.
• 27:18
  Yeah, it's been like 13 years at the same bar
• 27:21
  I work at there. We just voted one of the best
• 27:23
  bars in the country for By Asquire Magazine,
• 27:26
  which is kind of rad, so. Awesome. Shout out
• 27:28
  to Double Windsor. And then while Megan and I
• 27:31
  are on a break from doing No Season 2, I'm showing
• 27:34
  another podcast. It's going to be about music.
• 27:37
  Yeah, it's like as much as I'm obsessed with
• 27:40
  TV and movies, my apartment is basically like
• 27:43
  an OTA. In the background you have fantastic
• 27:47
  posters of the movie nights movie and was it
• 27:50
  what's that one called midnight? Which one of
• 27:53
  our favorite movies of all time would say if
• 27:54
  you haven't seen it's a some masterpiece Yeah,
• 27:57
  I gotta check it out But I also like own about
• 27:59
  I don't know about eight hundred nine hundred
• 28:01
  records and about six hundred tapes So I'm starting
• 28:04
  a podcast about like just obsessive of like our
• 28:09
  records and record collection and I'm gonna have
• 28:10
  a guest each week and we talk about a record
• 28:12
  that I own that they're also an expert on. So
• 28:15
  like if we were to have Megan on, they would
• 28:17
  have Megan come on and talk about Hot Chip. Not
• 28:19
  a record I own, but like that's a band that we
• 28:21
  saw together. Or Backstreet Boys, Melina. But
• 28:24
  it's like, the point is is like I'm obsessed
• 28:26
  with music and obsessed with talking about music
• 28:30
  with my friends. And it's all this is me just
• 28:32
  going through the works that I own, like whether
• 28:33
  it's vinyl or tapes. And we go track by track.
• 28:36
  We talk about like, Would it why they like this
• 28:39
  record why this is our favorite record theirs
• 28:41
  and we kind of go through that So it just does
• 28:42
  we're gonna start that in the fall Okay, so you're
• 28:47
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• 28:49
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  .com. I recently was a guest on a music analysis
• 29:36
  podcast that's kind of similar to what you're
• 29:38
  talking about. And we analyzed four summer beachy
• 29:43
  theme songs. One was like from the 60s. Another
• 29:46
  one was from the 90s. I mean, you're talking
• 29:48
  going from Billy Joel to the Beatles to Linda
• 29:51
  Ronstadt. And even though I'm definitely not
• 29:55
  passionate about music to... uh, do that stuff
• 29:58
  on a regular basis through all the analysis.
• 30:00
  Um, when I did have an opportunity to do that,
• 30:02
  to prepare for this podcast, it was great. Like,
• 30:05
  you know, just be able to like dissect the lyrics,
• 30:07
  really listen to the instrumentation and what
• 30:11
  vibe the song gives you. It's, it's wonderful.
• 30:14
  So I, uh, I cannot wait to hear your podcast
• 30:17
  when it comes out. That's, that's very fantastic,
• 30:19
  George. Yeah, thank you. Like it started off
• 30:21
  with like, uh, I was watching, uh, and listening
• 30:24
  to purple rain. Oh yeah. Of course, yeah. Which
• 30:30
  is such an amazing movie, an amazing performance.
• 30:33
  I've heard people say, whenever they would compare
• 30:37
  Purple Rain or Thriller to each other, it was
• 30:39
  like, Purple Rain is Thriller with no skips.
• 30:42
  Every song on Purple Rain is pretty amazing.
• 30:45
  Yeah, I know with Thriller, a lot of people...
• 30:47
  don't like the Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney
• 30:51
  duet, the girl is mine. I thought it was fine.
• 30:54
  It's fine. It's cheese and it's - Right. Comfort
• 31:00
  it's it's fairly pleasant cheese, but I know
• 31:03
  it's not like the greatest song in the world
• 31:05
  But yeah, I need to dive more into princess catalog.
• 31:08
  I a DJ friend of mine here in Vermont Craig Mitchell
• 31:10
  I had him on the podcast not too long ago and
• 31:12
  he is a prince fanatic like you wouldn't believe
• 31:14
  because he actually Like has a prince tribute
• 31:17
  band that he performs with Yeah, so so he'll
• 31:21
  tell you everything you need to know about Prince
• 31:22
  and for me like I've maybe have heard a prince
• 31:25
  song every now and then but like I I need to
• 31:28
  you know dive into it more because I think just
• 31:32
  what he's done for not only like the way he broke
• 31:36
  ground in music, but also how masculinity is
• 31:40
  presented. He just seems like a guy where I got
• 31:44
  to like Uber and Lyft drive. So I have plenty
• 31:47
  of time to like listen to music. So I feel like
• 31:49
  I should just like binge his entire catalog to
• 31:52
  see the progression of his artistry. So that's
• 31:54
  fantastic. That's great. I have a question about
• 31:57
  the bartending. So there was a point in my life
• 32:01
  where I thought about it for a second, because
• 32:03
  I like to socialize and get to know people. But
• 32:07
  I got anxious about learning the many types of
• 32:12
  drinks that you got to make for the customers
• 32:13
  and also dealing with drunk customers that...
• 32:18
  possibly could be unruly. Also, I know the schedule.
• 32:21
  I mean, what you start work maybe at five, six
• 32:23
  PM and then you go until like three in the morning.
• 32:26
  So yeah, like I definitely take naps because
• 32:28
  like getting up early. Yeah. Well, I mean like
• 32:31
  I won't today, but like, cause I, I've got a
• 32:33
  date later. So like I have to compare for that.
• 32:36
  Okay. Like it's a, it's the schedule is like,
• 32:39
  you get used to it after a while because like
• 32:41
  I, I'm conditioned to be up until two or three
• 32:43
  in the morning. It's like, and getting up early
• 32:45
  is not my favorite thing in the world. But it
• 32:47
  is what it is. As far as learning drinks, you
• 32:51
  could totally fake that. It's like, oh yeah,
• 32:52
  what's in that? Okay. Because at the end of the
• 32:55
  day, I think I heard that as long as you make
• 32:57
  it strong, then people won't give a shit, right?
• 32:58
  Yeah, there's nothing to it. I think some people
• 33:03
  like a balanced drink. What's that? I said some
• 33:06
  people like a balanced drink. Of course, of course.
• 33:08
  But if you're just getting into it, it's not
• 33:11
  that hard. Yeah. Can you think of the most complicated
• 33:16
  drink somebody asks you to make? Something where
• 33:19
  even you were like, oh, wow, that's going to
• 33:21
  be something. I think what happens is a lot of
• 33:23
  times when people go out to bars and they think
• 33:25
  they're at a bar that they already were at at
• 33:27
  some point in their life, and they'll ask for
• 33:29
  a drink that was on a menu somewhere else. It's
• 33:32
  like, can I get the... For example, a French
• 33:35
  75 is not a very difficult drink to make or is
• 33:37
  a difficult drink to... What's on that? That
• 33:40
  is a champagne cocktail with one ounce of gin,
• 33:45
  one ounce of lemon juice, one ounce of simple
• 33:47
  syrup. It's a very simple drink. But like that
• 33:49
  is a drink you order at certain places in certain
• 33:52
  times of the day. Like you wouldn't go to like
• 33:53
  a dive bar. I was like, can I get a French 75?
• 33:56
  He's like, no, just for my advice to anybody.
• 33:59
  I was like, no, exactly where you are. Yeah,
• 34:01
  yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, like you wouldn't go
• 34:02
  to like a fancy place. I was like, can I get
• 34:04
  a Bud Heavy and a shot of Powers like that? Like
• 34:09
  it's it's like a so like that do you have to
• 34:11
  train some people to give an idea? It's like
• 34:13
  hey, it's like I can make you that but it's probably
• 34:15
  not gonna be the best version of that drink because
• 34:17
  It just you wouldn't order that here. So right,
• 34:20
  right What's how would you describe? Like the
• 34:23
  type of drinks that you would order at your bar
• 34:25
  if somebody wanted to know what kind of bar that
• 34:27
  you operate I do like making cocktails. I think
• 34:30
  cocktails are fun. Like We are a beer bar. We're
• 34:34
  known for our craft beers and are known for Like
• 34:37
  you being in Vermont, we have a lot of beers
• 34:38
  who are from Vermont that people come by. And
• 34:40
  that's that's like a big thing, whether you're
• 34:42
  in Burlington or several breweries that we have
• 34:44
  in our in our bar are from Vermont. That's like
• 34:46
  kind of got it. Got it. The craft beer place
• 34:48
  of the of the world right there. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:52
  I wish I could be into beer. I'm not into beer.
• 34:55
  So I've tried it, but, you know, it is what it
• 34:58
  is. It's not for everybody. So. Yeah, I mean,
• 35:02
  I, and I've done that, that graveyard shift that
• 35:04
  you speak of. Like I, you know, I remember I
• 35:06
  used to be a banquet server at this venue in
• 35:09
  Connecticut where I'm from. Um, and you know,
• 35:12
  we did weddings and such that would keep you
• 35:14
  out until like three, four in the morning. And
• 35:16
  like, sure. Like you could like sleep in. Um,
• 35:20
  but I, uh, just got to a point where I was like,
• 35:23
  the average, uh, old lame adults that like daytime
• 35:27
  schedule. Like I like to wake up at five in the
• 35:30
  morning and start my day and then end it hopefully
• 35:32
  by like nine or 10 PM. Um, so that, but that,
• 35:37
  but that for you, I mean, you're, you're in New
• 35:39
  York, which, you know, the nightlife is just
• 35:41
  bustling and bustling. So, um, you've been, you've
• 35:44
  been on, you've been on this night schedule for
• 35:47
  how long, how many years? Uh, I've worked in
• 35:48
  the same bar for 13 years and then I was a comic
• 35:51
  for. 17 years. Uh, so like, uh, it was like my
• 35:57
  night was, my life was always at night anyway.
• 35:59
  I mean, like when Megan and I first met, we were,
• 36:01
  we worked at housing works, but I was still doing
• 36:03
  stand up at night. Actually, Megan came to see
• 36:04
  me a few times. Uh, but yeah, I was still doing
• 36:07
  stand up a bunch. So like, my life has always
• 36:09
  been at night. So I'm always, I'm conditioned
• 36:10
  for it at this point. Gotcha. And did you ever
• 36:13
  have like a daytime job of any kinds or? Yeah,
• 36:17
  I worked at a post house for years, like post
• 36:20
  production, film editing and, um, animation,
• 36:23
  and then I would get off work at five and go
• 36:25
  to start doing stand -up art after that. But
• 36:27
  I'd stay out late either way. Yeah, and then
• 36:30
  you'd have to wake up at like, God knows what
• 36:31
  time in the morning for work. 7 .30. I'm like,
• 36:33
  oh, I feel like crap. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh, those
• 36:37
  were the days. That's when I was like very young,
• 36:39
  having a time in New York City going, all right,
• 36:41
  we could sit until four in the morning and be
• 36:42
  awake four hours later. But yeah, those days
• 36:44
  are done. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine. All right.
• 36:48
  You guys ready for some three delicious questions?
• 36:50
  Let's do it. Yes. Cool. Megan, let's start with
• 36:53
  you. What's a delicious meal you've had lately?
• 36:55
  Can I say a delicious meal I'm going to have?
• 36:59
  Yeah, of course. Okay, so my birthday is coming
• 37:01
  up and I'm going to one of my favorite restaurants
• 37:05
  in Brooklyn called Gage and Toler. It's kind
• 37:09
  of like an old New York vibe of like steakhouse
• 37:12
  type thing. But they have like the best onion
• 37:16
  rings. Okay. like flaky like the batter is like
• 37:22
  flaky and like thin um and then they have a chocolate
• 37:26
  blackout cake which is so good and normally i
• 37:29
  would have cocktails but since i'm on a healing
• 37:32
  journey i will skip the cocktails for now and
• 37:38
  have some ginger beer or something. Have them
• 37:41
  put it in a champagne flute. They probably have
• 37:44
  a phony Negroni you can get. Those are good.
• 37:46
  Yeah. So that's the delicious meal I am looking
• 37:49
  forward to the most. Can I ask a stupid question
• 37:52
  that's possibly racist, but whatever, like I'm
• 37:54
  a person of color. So Negroni, I hear that. I've
• 37:57
  never had a Negroni. I think, oh, is it like
• 38:00
  after Negro? Is it a black drink? What is it
• 38:02
  in a Negroni? Like, I need to know. It is a gin
• 38:06
  -based cocktail with an equal parts gin, sweet
• 38:11
  vermouth, and Campari. OK. What color is it?
• 38:13
  So it's like kind of reddish. Oh, OK, OK, OK,
• 38:16
  OK. It's Italian, right? It's Italian, yeah.
• 38:19
  Because of the Campari. Sweet vermouth and Campari
• 38:22
  are very Italian. Thank you for the clarification.
• 38:26
  Megan, so onion rings and a chocolate blackout
• 38:28
  cake with ginger beer. That is a meal that I've
• 38:31
  never heard before, but it's your birthday, so
• 38:33
  that is fantastic. I mean, I'll have more than
• 38:35
  the onion rings, but the onion rings are the
• 38:38
  best part. Tell me more. What more are you going
• 38:40
  to have? Well, probably like, my boyfriend and
• 38:42
  I will probably like split a steak because it's
• 38:44
  like, you know, like one of those like shareable
• 38:46
  steaks. And then creamed spinach. on the side
• 38:51
  and then Parker house rolls. So they come out
• 38:53
  in like a little cast iron skillet and they're
• 38:56
  like so buttery and delicious. And then obviously
• 39:01
  I'm going to put butter on the rolls because
• 39:03
  I'm not, I'm not a loser. Okay. Can I just clarify
• 39:09
  that I'm a loser. I don't put butter on my rolls.
• 39:11
  Oh no. How? I just, I'm not crazy about butter.
• 39:15
  I've had bread and butter before and it's okay.
• 39:19
  But like, I'm just the kind of guy that's like,
• 39:22
  give me a fresh hot dinner roll at the restaurant.
• 39:24
  I'll have it bare and naked and I'll just put
• 39:26
  it in my mouth. That's good. I'll have it very
• 39:28
  naked, but the butter really adds, for me, the
• 39:30
  butter adds like, I don't know, 10 points. 10
• 39:33
  points. Sure. Sure. Okay. Fine. Fine. Fine. So
• 39:36
  you're a winner and I'm a loser. I get what you're
• 39:39
  saying. All right. So the onion rings, I have
• 39:44
  a mixed relationship with onion rings because
• 39:45
  I've had onion rings and this, this may sound
• 39:48
  stupid, but bear with me here. Like where you
• 39:51
  bite into it and maybe this is the point, but
• 39:55
  like literally the the onion part of it, the
• 39:59
  sort of slimy onion part of it just kind of like
• 40:01
  hangs. And I don't know if it's supposed to be
• 40:04
  like that. I wonder if it's supposed to be like
• 40:05
  contained within the fried shell thing. but my
• 40:09
  wife hates anything onion, so she's not gonna
• 40:11
  have onion rings. But my question is, what is
• 40:15
  that bite like with those onion rings that you
• 40:18
  speak of, Megan? Does the onion inside just hang
• 40:22
  and you slurp it up, or what do you do? I wouldn't
• 40:25
  say that it hangs and you slurp it up. It has
• 40:28
  enough firmness that when you bite into it, the
• 40:32
  batter stays on it, but it crunches, so it's
• 40:36
  crispy. Gotcha. And it's a very light batter,
• 40:39
  because some like beer battered onion rings,
• 40:43
  it's like a very thick batter like you're eating
• 40:44
  a corn dog. Or something. But this has like a
• 40:49
  thin batter on it, which I think is my preferred
• 40:54
  style of onion ring. It's like a thin beer battered
• 40:56
  onion ring. Why are we calling it a chocolate
• 40:58
  blackout cake? Is it like, oh, you take one bite
• 41:01
  and you're just going to black out? I don't know.
• 41:03
  I didn't name it. I think it's because it's so
• 41:05
  chocolatey. It's got like... Chocolate cake,
• 41:07
  chocolate buttercream, frosting. Gotcha, gotcha.
• 41:10
  Yeah, I just, I wonder if it would give you the
• 41:13
  equivalent feeling of like, you know, drinking
• 41:15
  too much. Of I've blacked out, maybe. Yeah. Because
• 41:17
  of all the sugar that's in there. Yeah, all the
• 41:19
  sugar. After I have a sugar high, I crash and
• 41:22
  black out. Right. Well, happy early birthday.
• 41:24
  That sounds like a fantastic meal. George, what
• 41:26
  about you? A delicious meal you've had lately?
• 41:29
  Well, speaking of birthdays, my birthday was
• 41:31
  last week. Megan and I were separated. But yeah,
• 41:34
  we were separated by a few weeks. And I, for
• 41:36
  my 40th birthday, went and watched some World
• 41:40
  Cup. I'm a big fan of soccer, so I watched a
• 41:44
  little bit of the... Ivory Coast is one of my
• 41:46
  favorite teams in the World Cup, and I went and
• 41:48
  got some duck confit tacos from the soccer truck
• 41:52
  in Williamsburg, which is quite delicious. In
• 41:54
  fact, I think I had a fever dream about it the
• 41:56
  other night. I was like, wow, those were really
• 41:57
  good. But yeah, duck confit tacos. Can you break
• 42:00
  that down? I've never heard of that duck confit
• 42:02
  tacos. What's in it? Well, it's basically it's
• 42:04
  just it's just it's just chopped up duck with
• 42:06
  some some onions and some some shoot radish.
• 42:10
  That was it. Yeah, it was quite delicious. Usually,
• 42:15
  the tacos you get are probably ground beef or
• 42:17
  chorizo or steak. So imagine the chicken that
• 42:21
  you would get at most taco places, but instead
• 42:23
  of chicken, it was duck. Very good. I've never
• 42:26
  had duck before, and I wonder if it's gamey tasting,
• 42:30
  or maybe it's not because it's in a taco form,
• 42:32
  for your case specifically. Yeah, I just, I don't
• 42:36
  know. I wonder what the taste is like compared
• 42:38
  to chicken or beef or steak. It's got the flavor
• 42:40
  profile and it looks a lot like chicken. Okay.
• 42:43
  Yeah, it's just, but this is, yeah, I was thinking
• 42:45
  about it the other day. I was like, man, I need
• 42:46
  to get some duck confit tacos. Maybe they'll
• 42:48
  do that later. What's the energy like in the
• 42:52
  city for the World Cup? I would imagine it's
• 42:56
  different from what the energy was like when
• 42:58
  the Knicks won the championship recently. It's
• 43:01
  a similar vibe. The, cause like, I went to a
• 43:04
  soccer bar to watch Ivory Coast versus Germany,
• 43:05
  and that was pretty, pretty crazy. But if you're
• 43:08
  out and about for the Knicks, I'm sure, Megan,
• 43:11
  I'm sure you heard people on the street with
• 43:13
  fireworks and yelling, and I was bartending a
• 43:16
  few of the nights, and the game that OG hit the
• 43:21
  winner of the Hand of God, speaking of soccer
• 43:24
  reference, you could feel the building shake,
• 43:26
  because there were so many people in there, and
• 43:27
  it was like jumping up and down and hugging.
• 43:31
  New York, we're looking at that. We have several
• 43:33
  soccer bars and there's also World Cup being
• 43:36
  played in locally like in New Jersey. We're close
• 43:38
  enough and met life. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's
• 43:41
  been a lot of folks coming in. In fact, I heard
• 43:42
  the New Jersey transits losing $2 million a day
• 43:45
  because they were not expecting the amount of
• 43:48
  people going in and out of games. Oh, I thought
• 43:50
  they would be earning money with the amount of
• 43:51
  people that were not as like these delays have
• 43:53
  been astronomical. Send them all the way back.
• 43:56
  So Oh, okay. Okay. Wow. Damn. Megan, do you care
• 44:02
  about World Cup basketball? Do you care about
• 44:04
  any of that sports energy in New York? I don't
• 44:06
  care about World Cup at all. I don't. I miss
• 44:10
  when like America wasn't like a soccer country.
• 44:13
  It was never a soccer country. What was it? I
• 44:15
  feel like suddenly like we're suddenly like America's
• 44:18
  like soccer and it's like. Well, here's the thing
• 44:21
  though, like, I don't root for America in any
• 44:23
  sport. Large groups of people yelling USA has
• 44:25
  a major turn off. So my teams are Ivory Coast
• 44:28
  and Netherlands. I guess I look because they're
• 44:29
  like orange. So like, if I'm at a place and they're
• 44:31
  watching, and they're showing the sound and people
• 44:33
  are chanting USA, that's a good way for me to
• 44:35
  fucking leave right off that fucker. I'm like,
• 44:37
  ah, I think I'm good. Hey, I got new glasses.
• 44:43
  Oh, wait. You wouldn't know that if you're only
• 44:45
  listening. You would only know that for sure
• 44:48
  if you're watching on YouTube. You. So that you
• 44:54
  could tell me in the comments whether you like
• 44:55
  my glasses or not subscribe to YouTube at the
• 44:59
  delicious culture John Francois at the delicious
• 45:03
  culture j -o -n -f -r -a -n -c -o -i -s and now
• 45:07
  I'm taking my glasses off Because again, that's
• 45:11
  something you can only watch on YouTube There's
• 45:18
  there's certainly not a lot of proud to be proud
• 45:20
  of with America these days. So yes, the USA chant
• 45:23
  I'm not I'm not we are not into that at all Um,
• 45:26
  the, the whole thing about America as a soccer,
• 45:28
  I feel like it's only a soccer country during
• 45:31
  the world cup. Does it just feel like more soccery
• 45:34
  this year because of the home country world?
• 45:38
  Well, it's all of North America. So there's Canada
• 45:40
  and Mexico included as well. Yeah. I mean, there's
• 45:42
  a lot of, there's, there's definitely a lot of
• 45:44
  folks watching it this year in the USA. It's
• 45:46
  actually not bad. It's really, they haven't been
• 45:48
  great this year. They're actually pretty good.
• 45:50
  They got a couple of guys that should play. Like
• 45:52
  aside from MLS, they play overseas in England
• 45:54
  when that's like, the Premier League is like
• 45:56
  the top of soccer throughout the world, so. Yeah,
• 46:01
  I've heard Uber and Lyft passengers behind me
• 46:03
  when I drive them, they've been watching the
• 46:05
  World Cup games on their phone. I think someone
• 46:07
  was like watching the U .S. Paraguay game. You
• 46:11
  know, some other writers have mentioned it. And
• 46:14
  yeah, this Ecuadorian woman was like, oh my God,
• 46:16
  I can't wait to get to Buffalo Wild Wings to
• 46:18
  cheer for my team in the World Cup. Of all places,
• 46:22
  Buffalo Wild Wings. So I mean, I haven't kept
• 46:26
  up with the World Cup closely. My perception
• 46:28
  has always been literally any other foreign country
• 46:33
  that Donald Trump would hate. Soccer is big with
• 46:36
  them. Like my parents' home country of Haiti,
• 46:39
  big. Soccer is big with them. Are they in the
• 46:41
  World Cup? I have no idea. Are they? I'm asking.
• 46:43
  No. Okay. Well, sorry for that. That's all right.
• 46:49
  Yeah, that's my perception. And that America
• 46:52
  only cares about soccer during the World Cup.
• 46:54
  So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I mean,
• 46:56
  maybe it gets to a point where soccer becomes
• 46:58
  the new football and we're going to have games
• 47:00
  every week from September through whatever, like
• 47:05
  football. And I'm sure Megan would love that
• 47:07
  wildly because she's the biggest soccer fan ever.
• 47:10
  I can just see it. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're
• 47:12
  missing out on like lady soccer. America, the
• 47:15
  women. The women's World Cup. The women's are
• 47:17
  amazing. They're amazing. Yeah. Yeah, they're
• 47:19
  amazing. They've always been better than the
• 47:22
  men's team, right? They've always been better
• 47:23
  than the men's, yeah. Do we know anything about
• 47:26
  whether they're being paid the same as the men?
• 47:28
  I remember I was getting into a really awkward
• 47:32
  conversation with my brother and cousins who
• 47:36
  were like, we were going out to a bachelor. experience
• 47:39
  in New York City, where you guys are. And I remember
• 47:44
  one of my cousins just being like, Oh my God,
• 47:45
  if they could just stop talking about like, you
• 47:47
  know, the women not being paid more than the
• 47:50
  men because they look at it purely in terms of,
• 47:53
  you know, which form of soccer attracts more
• 47:57
  ratings, more attention, that's the one that
• 48:00
  deserves more money just by default. And I guess
• 48:02
  they weren't like really leaning in on the just
• 48:05
  the pure sexism part, because I see it more as
• 48:08
  like, oh, the men and women, they both work hard
• 48:11
  and should, you know, deserve as equal pay as
• 48:14
  possible. So I don't know. I mean, are we good
• 48:16
  with pay or am I asking a question that we all
• 48:19
  don't know the answer to? I mean, I don't know
• 48:21
  the answer, but I remember like, Handful of years
• 48:24
  ago. There was a there was like I think the women's
• 48:27
  soccer team fought for like pay equity or or
• 48:31
  something along those lines So I don't know if
• 48:34
  how that nutted out. But I mean like they I mean
• 48:38
  if they aren't paid as much as the men They probably
• 48:40
  should be because they're like the better Yeah,
• 48:46
  they're so good to like if like when they don't
• 48:48
  win it's almost like really they didn't win Right,
• 48:52
  right So this was such a brief, concise answer
• 48:58
  from Bing. I searched and it says, I think the
• 49:03
  source of this is scbc -law .org. For the first
• 49:07
  time in soccer history, the U .S. women's national
• 49:10
  soccer team players will receive equal pay to
• 49:12
  the U .S. men's national soccer team, no matter
• 49:15
  the outcome of the game. So that's from that
• 49:18
  source. Can't verify if that's true or not, but
• 49:20
  that's from that source. There you go delicious
• 49:24
  pop culture obsession that you guys have Megan
• 49:26
  I don't know if it's an obsession and I don't
• 49:29
  know if it's like New York pop culture or if
• 49:31
  it's breached into other States, but the during
• 49:35
  the Knicks Parade the woman who dumped over the
• 49:38
  trash can and like stole it and then she like
• 49:42
  lost her job Yeah, and I'm like There's part
• 49:47
  of me that's like, should she have lost her job?
• 49:50
  Maybe not. Maybe you could have like suspended
• 49:51
  her or something like, cause like whatever. But
• 49:54
  it is like trashy behavior to like, I don't know,
• 49:57
  dump, dump a garbage can full of trash on the
• 50:00
  street and then like take it on the train and
• 50:03
  then like bring a trash can that New Yorkers
• 50:06
  dump trash in, like into your home. Yeah. Like
• 50:10
  that's like, that's like strange to me. It would
• 50:12
  like, A, it would never occur to me to go to
• 50:15
  a Knicks parade, even though Just the, I don't
• 50:19
  like crowds. But like to then like dump trash
• 50:23
  for like a trash can. And now like the sanitation
• 50:27
  department's like raffling them off or something.
• 50:30
  So like there's a, it shows you how hard we hustle
• 50:34
  in New York City. Cause I'm gonna take the story
• 50:35
  in a different way. Like they saw that video,
• 50:38
  the New York sanitation, like they're like, fuck
• 50:39
  it. Let's try to sell these damn things. So like
• 50:41
  there's, you can now, there was like a raffle
• 50:43
  for like 10 of them. Oh my God. Which is insane.
• 50:48
  There's one person who lost a job and Morgan
• 50:49
  Stanley was like, you know, that's actually not
• 50:52
  a bad idea. We try to make money off of this
• 50:54
  and now you can buy that trash can. Or at least
• 50:56
  you can compete to buy that trash can. Right.
• 50:58
  So I did hear Charlemagne the God talk about
• 51:01
  this in his Donkey of the Day on the Breakfast
• 51:03
  Club. Even though he understandably took the
• 51:07
  position of, like, this woman is stupid, like,
• 51:09
  why would you risk your career over this one
• 51:11
  thing? Look, it kind of accentuates or boldens
• 51:17
  what my younger brother has said about Nick's
• 51:20
  fans. I come from a Celtics family. I'm in Vermont.
• 51:23
  They're in Connecticut. So Boston Celtics are
• 51:24
  the closest thing that we have to us distance
• 51:26
  -wise. But, you know, when he mentioned that
• 51:30
  Nick's fans were animals, and then I see this
• 51:32
  story from the woman, it's like, oh, okay, yeah,
• 51:34
  yeah. Some of them can be a little bit rowdy,
• 51:35
  not all of them, but some of them. I don't think
• 51:37
  she should have lost her job. Now that I think
• 51:39
  about it. I don't think so either. Yeah, I think
• 51:41
  that - It seems like a weird thing to do to fire
• 51:46
  someone, but you could have suspended her if
• 51:50
  you wanted to enact some sort of punishment,
• 51:54
  but it's like, I don't know. What is this, Morgan
• 51:59
  Stanley Bank? Is that what it is? I think it's
• 52:01
  like, I want, wasn't it JP Morgan chase? She
• 52:03
  was like community outreach kind of thing. So
• 52:09
  I don't know. I'm coming from the standpoint
• 52:12
  of, and in some cases, maybe most cases, there's
• 52:16
  no such thing as bad publicity. I just think
• 52:18
  that JP Morgan could have used this to their
• 52:21
  advantage to maybe like attract a larger customer
• 52:24
  base. I think they could have seen this as like,
• 52:26
  Oh, like This woman is clearly proud that her
• 52:29
  team, which has not won in 53 years, finally
• 52:32
  wins. I mean, everybody was on euphoria cloud
• 52:35
  nine that Saturday night when the next one, the
• 52:38
  championship. Um, so yeah, the suspension. Sure.
• 52:41
  Why not? I mean, if you really want to do something.
• 52:45
  Yeah. If JP Morgan thinks of this as embarrassing
• 52:48
  to their reputation suspender, but If the woman
• 52:51
  has been fantastic at her job and just had a
• 52:55
  night where she was human like any other Knicks
• 52:58
  fan and just excited and just wants to let that
• 53:00
  energy out, eh, you know, is she hurting anybody?
• 53:04
  Is she murdering anybody? The punishment could
• 53:07
  have been that she has to pick up trash. Sure,
• 53:10
  sure. One of our most popular and well -beloved
• 53:13
  community service actors picking up trash. She
• 53:14
  has to pick up all the trash in New York City.
• 53:17
  I mean, like, I think we can all agree that dumping
• 53:19
  trash, a full trash can on the ground is trashy
• 53:22
  behavior. It's not a good look. It's not a good
• 53:25
  look. It's not a good look. Pick up your trash,
• 53:27
  keep it in the trash can. Do not loiter. This
• 53:30
  woman should have recorded herself picking up
• 53:32
  trash and then a JP Morgan logo should have popped
• 53:35
  up on TikTok or something like that. It would
• 53:37
  have been great. Thank you for that. I'm so glad
• 53:39
  that you brought that up, Megan. What about you,
• 53:41
  George? What's a delicious pop culture obsession
• 53:42
  that you have? You know, as nerdy as that I am
• 53:45
  about music and and I guess nerdy and maybe a
• 53:48
  little obnoxious. I am a sucker for a well -written
• 53:52
  pop song, and I am really enjoying the new Olivia
• 53:56
  Rodrigo record. I think it is quite good. The
• 53:59
  title, you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love.
• 54:03
  It's 13 songs, it's 51 minutes, it is pretty
• 54:05
  much all bangers. And I'm not the demographic
• 54:09
  to listen to that kind of music, but I'll throw
• 54:12
  in a pop song by a pop artist whenever. The record's
• 54:15
  really good, so that's been my new obsession
• 54:20
  is the Olivia Rodrigo record. In fact, my buddy
• 54:21
  just texted me and was like, he's like, what
• 54:23
  do you think about this song? And I was like,
• 54:24
  man, it's awesome. Yeah. Look, I saw Olivia Rodrigo
• 54:29
  not so long ago on SNL when she did the double
• 54:31
  duty host and musical guest thing. And yeah,
• 54:34
  she brought the energy, both as host and musical
• 54:35
  guest. And I did see an Associated Press writer
• 54:39
  talk positively about this new album. I don't
• 54:45
  know. There's something about Olivia Rodrigo,
• 54:47
  and you can say that if this is offensive or
• 54:49
  whatever, but ever since she came out big with
• 54:52
  driver's license, she seemed to lock herself
• 54:57
  into the identity of this mood of teenage girl
• 55:01
  that has a lot of... liberating rebellious stuff
• 55:06
  to say about love and guys and things like that.
• 55:10
  And hey, look, I mean, she, you know, if you
• 55:13
  have pain in your life that you want to express
• 55:15
  in music, feel free to do that. That's great.
• 55:18
  Um, but just that specific vibe of like, all
• 55:21
  right, this is a teenage girl, like really letting
• 55:23
  out her feelings. It's not for me personally,
• 55:26
  but, um, but it, but is that Is this, can you
• 55:31
  describe more this new album for me? Is it basically
• 55:33
  another extension of the first album that she
• 55:36
  came out with and broke through? There's some
• 55:39
  obvious growth going on to it because like she
• 55:41
  definitely is probably a fan of, I forget the
• 55:46
  Canadian singer, the angsty. Sarah McLaughlin?
• 55:51
  No, no, no, stop it. Anyway, but like but like
• 55:56
  she makes references to and she's been doing
• 55:58
  covers of the cure and It is obvious that she's
• 56:02
  like sort of like widen her scope as far as like
• 56:04
  the music she even listens to but to rather Enjoy
• 56:07
  like there's a video of her doing a song Doing
• 56:10
  this must be the place by talking heads and anybody
• 56:13
  knows me the talking heads are my favorite band
• 56:14
  of all time so you start you start dipping your
• 56:17
  hands in like the post -punk and 80s like 80s
• 56:22
  music that I'm gonna give you a listen So she
• 56:25
  definitely shows some growth from, I like the
• 56:26
  song Brutal. I think Driver's License is fine,
• 56:28
  but I think the song Brutal is pretty cool. But
• 56:30
  she's not doing songs like Brutal anymore. She's
• 56:32
  kind of, she's like, hey, no, I'm actually growing
• 56:34
  up and I'm making adult music as well. And adult
• 56:36
  music, meaning like what? Is she just more celebratory
• 56:40
  about love and relationships? What's the big
• 56:44
  difference? It's definitely pop music for sure,
• 56:46
  but it's also got a clever lean into sort of...
• 56:51
  Like, uh, every artist, like when you make pop
• 56:54
  music, it's like, you can make that same record
• 56:55
  over and over and over again. But if you're not
• 56:57
  showing any growth as far as like what you listen
• 56:59
  to, who you work with, uh, I think like Aaron
• 57:02
  Nester from the national produced a couple of
• 57:04
  records and that's a, that's definitely not a
• 57:06
  pop artist. That is a, that is a bonafide indie
• 57:09
  rock guy. So, so it's like, uh, I give it a listen.
• 57:12
  It's really, really good. It's, I like the fact
• 57:13
  that it's short. Pop records should never be
• 57:15
  longer than an hour. This one's 51 minutes, which
• 57:17
  is right there in the pocket. Oh, cool, cool.
• 57:20
  I've listened to albums lately that are like
• 57:22
  40 minutes. Yeah, albums are definitely - Perfect.
• 57:24
  being short and concise lately. No, I just, I
• 57:26
  think of Olivia Rodrigo, uh, and, and how I just
• 57:30
  know her from like her earlier music days when
• 57:32
  I used to work in radio and she just always had
• 57:34
  this vibe of like, all right, I'm going to dress
• 57:37
  up in some, I don't know, rebellious Halloween
• 57:39
  garb and I'm going to kick a door down or kick
• 57:42
  a glass of water off a table and just tell you
• 57:45
  how you fucking hurt me and how I don't like
• 57:47
  just, she's always had that vibe for me, but,
• 57:50
  um, she started playing instruments now in this
• 57:52
  record too, which is also a show. Showing growth
• 57:54
  is like, I'm not just this one thing. In fact,
• 57:57
  I wouldn't be surprised if like, if you saw her
• 57:59
  in concert, if she did any of the old stuff,
• 58:01
  she was like, I'm doing the new stuff with the
• 58:02
  stuff that I like listening to right now. Yeah,
• 58:03
  yeah. I'll have to listen. I mean, I'm definitely
• 58:05
  speaking mostly out of ignorance when I talk
• 58:07
  about Olivia Rodrigo, so I'll have to listen
• 58:09
  to the new album. But Sabrina Carpenter is definitely
• 58:12
  a pop star that I've been more into and it's
• 58:16
  very... been very nice to see her rise, because
• 58:19
  I remember when she was putting out albums and
• 58:21
  wasn't really getting noticed, and then she had
• 58:23
  short and sweet with hits like Espresso, and
• 58:26
  then she just kind of took off. I think her new
• 58:28
  record is good as well. Maybe I'm just a sucker
• 58:31
  for pop music, but her record is also pretty
• 58:35
  good. The pop girls are doing a lot lately. I
• 58:38
  love that they're having a moment right now.
• 58:40
  delicious event that's happened in your life
• 58:42
  lately, Megan? I mean, I haven't really done
• 58:45
  much. The most eventful thing that happened recently
• 58:49
  was I got a haircut after not getting one for
• 58:53
  like five months. So that was a big event. But
• 58:57
  before... I mean, before I went into the hospital,
• 59:00
  the biggest event was that I went to Las Vegas
• 59:02
  and I saw Backstreet Boys at the Sphere again.
• 59:05
  Again, because I'm a super fan, so. Oh my God.
• 59:09
  That was fantastic. Tell me more about that experience
• 59:12
  and your Backstreet Boys fandom. How far back
• 59:14
  did you go? Well, me and my best friend, she's
• 59:17
  still, I grew up in Alaska. She still lives there.
• 59:20
  So this is like our, I don't know, we've seen
• 59:25
  them in Las, we, Saw them in Las Vegas for the
• 59:27
  first time during the Millennium Tour. Yeah.
• 59:31
  When we were, it was for her 14th birthday, her
• 59:36
  14th or 15th birthday, like our parents were
• 59:38
  like, yeah, sure, go. And like my aunt like flew
• 59:41
  in and met us there. So it's like a very like
• 59:44
  innocent time. We're like, yeah, send your kid
• 59:46
  to Vegas to see their vapor van. Apparently the
• 59:50
  ticket's much cheaper when my when my mom bought
• 59:53
  them for us, then we bought tickets for the Sphere,
• 59:56
  which were... Random strangers are verbally harassing
• 1:00:06
  me on the street, telling me to tell you to rate
• 1:00:09
  and review The Delicious Culture with Jon François
• 1:00:11
  on Apple and Spotify. They have bullied me into
• 1:00:15
  telling you this because these same strangers
• 1:00:17
  imply that as many people will find the podcast
• 1:00:21
  as possible if you rate and review. The Delicious
• 1:00:24
  Culture on Apple and Spotify, preferably positively,
• 1:00:27
  or else these strangers will come over there
• 1:00:29
  and beat you. Can you give us some specific price
• 1:00:36
  comparison? What was it like Ben versus now?
• 1:00:39
  My mom said that she paid $50 for the ticket,
• 1:00:44
  for one ticket in like 1999. And we saw them
• 1:00:49
  at the MGM Grand and the, I want to say, for
• 1:00:54
  general admission tickets to the sphere, we paid,
• 1:00:56
  it was like $300. Yeah. And. Big difference.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah. So the second time we also did general
• 1:01:05
  admission and we got much closer to the stage.
• 1:01:08
  Okay. But so, you know, they're, they don't let
• 1:01:11
  you, you can't go up and like. And touch them
• 1:01:14
  in all the wonderful ways. Yeah. But it's a great,
• 1:01:17
  it's a great show. Like they. They know what
• 1:01:20
  they're doing. They know how to cater to, like,
• 1:01:22
  the nostalgia of the moment. I do think that
• 1:01:27
  Las Vegas is, like, overpriced. Overpriced. Now,
• 1:01:31
  what is the vibe of Vegas? Because I've heard
• 1:01:34
  that it's kind of declined. Was it still fun?
• 1:01:39
  I will say, like, I went in... So, the first
• 1:01:43
  time we saw them at the Spirit was July. And...
• 1:01:48
  it was like summertime and I feel like there
• 1:01:51
  was like a lot of people there like there were
• 1:01:53
  crowds like out walking and like you know going
• 1:01:56
  to like the various like things that they had
• 1:01:58
  like DJs at you know clubs and like pool parties
• 1:02:01
  and like that kind of thing and then the net
• 1:02:05
  the last time was in February and it was like
• 1:02:07
  a little slower like less crowds and um like
• 1:02:13
  you didn't you, you know, it's not like you had
• 1:02:14
  to like fight, you don't have to fight for a
• 1:02:16
  slot machine or like, you know, like that kind
• 1:02:19
  of thing. But I just think that like, I don't
• 1:02:22
  think Las Vegas is meeting the moment of like,
• 1:02:25
  you get more people by like lowering your price
• 1:02:27
  or like a hotel or, and like the hotels, I mean,
• 1:02:33
  they will charge you for like literally everything.
• 1:02:35
  Just like. Tell me more. Like, I think we. When
• 1:02:39
  we stayed at Hera's, we were like, Oh, can we
• 1:02:42
  get like a fridge, like a fridge in the room?
• 1:02:45
  Cause they didn't have one. Most hotels just
• 1:02:47
  have, have a fridge in the room. Like even your
• 1:02:50
  most basic, even your most basic motels, but
• 1:02:54
  they were going to charge like $50 a night. for
• 1:02:57
  like a fridge to use the fridge in the room.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah. Just like, nevermind. Forget about that.
• 1:03:03
  So like they unlike things are different prices
• 1:03:05
  at different hotels. So if you go to like a Starbucks,
• 1:03:08
  say you go to a Starbucks and like in Harrah's,
• 1:03:11
  like a drink will be one price. If you get the
• 1:03:13
  same drink, if you get the same drink at another
• 1:03:15
  hotel, it'll be like a different price. So it's
• 1:03:18
  very, it's very strange, like that kind of thing.
• 1:03:21
  So it's just, you just feel like you're constantly
• 1:03:23
  being charged. Literally everything I'm sure
• 1:03:28
  inflation has a lot to do with it. Yeah, I think
• 1:03:30
  also I kind of ironically it's that thing of
• 1:03:34
  like oh we have low attendance So to make up
• 1:03:37
  for the low attendance jack up the price we have
• 1:03:39
  to jack up the price I've also and I'm just referencing
• 1:03:42
  a random reddit comment thread. So bear with
• 1:03:45
  me here, but you know the the sort of uh, anti
• 1:03:52
  -immigrant rhetoric of this administration does
• 1:03:54
  have some people fearing about traveling there.
• 1:03:57
  Cause I know Vegas, you know, that's one of the
• 1:03:59
  most popular places to travel from people who
• 1:04:01
  don't live in this country. I know it's been
• 1:04:03
  a family friendly corporate environment for quite
• 1:04:05
  some time. It's definitely not the sort of mobster
• 1:04:07
  rat packy adult swinging thing that it used to
• 1:04:10
  be. But, uh, yeah. I don't know. I've always
• 1:04:14
  been interested in what the vibe is like because
• 1:04:16
  I've never been, and I think I went from wanting
• 1:04:19
  to go there to not being quite sure about it
• 1:04:21
  because, yeah, as you mentioned, I don't think
• 1:04:25
  there's any longer any days where it's like,
• 1:04:28
  oh, you go to the buffet and you can get an apple
• 1:04:32
  and a steak for $2 or some shit like that. Yeah,
• 1:04:35
  like I think you're, like if you don't like gambling
• 1:04:39
  and you don't like Sort of, like, random, like,
• 1:04:46
  pool parties and, like, weird things. Like, I
• 1:04:51
  don't know if it would be worth it. Like, if
• 1:04:53
  you didn't have an event to go to, like, it probably
• 1:04:56
  wouldn't be worth it because a lot of the stuff
• 1:04:58
  there, it's so, like, corporatized, you know?
• 1:05:02
  Like, a lot of the stuff there is stuff. anywhere.
• 1:05:05
  It's like, oh, a Sephora on the strip. It's like,
• 1:05:08
  who fucking cares? Yeah, right. Exactly. Before
• 1:05:10
  the mall, like, I don't care. Like, it's not,
• 1:05:13
  it doesn't have, like, I don't know, it's missing
• 1:05:15
  some kind of, like, seediness. But I will say
• 1:05:18
  one cool thing about Las Vegas is that there's
• 1:05:20
  a neon sign museum of all the old, like, neon
• 1:05:23
  signs. And that's really cool to go to, to see
• 1:05:26
  all of, to see all of those. But go at night.
• 1:05:31
  With all the neon lights on, it's still so hot.
• 1:05:36
  It's still so hot. The thing about Vegas, yeah,
• 1:05:40
  like it has, because I think about what makes
• 1:05:43
  Vegas, Vegas, gambling. Okay, whatever. Like
• 1:05:47
  I got a fucking casino in my home state of Connecticut.
• 1:05:50
  Mohegan Sun in Foxwoods. We have two of the most
• 1:05:52
  famous casinos in the country. Okay, I don't
• 1:05:55
  need to go to Vegas. I can just go gamble there.
• 1:05:58
  Hookers. Maybe you won't find prostitution on
• 1:06:01
  the street in Connecticut, but you could certainly
• 1:06:07
  find escort agencies and ways of taking care
• 1:06:10
  of that elsewhere. I'm married. I'm not getting
• 1:06:11
  into that. So what's the other thing? I mean,
• 1:06:16
  food. All right, overpriced food is everywhere.
• 1:06:19
  And then they got entertainment. You got your
• 1:06:21
  magic shows. I'm sure you may find sprinklings
• 1:06:24
  of that throughout other parts of the country,
• 1:06:27
  but definitely not that special where it's like,
• 1:06:30
  Oh my God, I got to go to Vegas for this specific
• 1:06:32
  magician. And then the big thing is the heat.
• 1:06:35
  Like the fact that like, oh, the time where you
• 1:06:38
  might want to go to Vegas the most when you have
• 1:06:40
  time, summertime or whatever, it's like 120 degrees
• 1:06:42
  outside. Most people may not want to be that
• 1:06:45
  hot. So I thought about all those things and
• 1:06:47
  I'm just like, Oh God, is there really any appeal
• 1:06:49
  to go to Vegas? Maybe I should go at least once
• 1:06:52
  just to say I've went there, but like, um, yeah,
• 1:06:55
  I don't know. As time has gone by, I've just
• 1:06:57
  seen it as like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:07:01
  wouldn't go if I, like, didn't have, like, a
• 1:07:04
  reason, like, a real reason to go. Like, I wouldn't
• 1:07:07
  go because I want to gamble. Yeah. What does
• 1:07:09
  that sound? Is that someone's dog? Oh, it's my
• 1:07:11
  cat. Okay. It's like, is your cat breathing,
• 1:07:14
  like, really loudly? Yeah, she hears voices just,
• 1:07:17
  like, wondering who I'm talking to. Okay, okay,
• 1:07:19
  okay. All right. Say hi to your cat for me. George,
• 1:07:23
  a delicious event that's happened in your life
• 1:07:25
  lately. So as I've mentioned, I turned 48. And
• 1:07:28
  like I said, like Megan and I, we go back a lot
• 1:07:30
  of years. And she knows that like my yearly obsession
• 1:07:34
  around my birthday with all things OJ Simpson,
• 1:07:38
  the Four Bronco Chase was on my 16th birthday.
• 1:07:40
  And for Shits and Giggles, I've rewatched the
• 1:07:44
  Four Bronco Chase, or rewatched anything that
• 1:07:45
  has to do with that. That sounds like the last
• 1:07:49
  thing that I did. And Megan and I have just run
• 1:07:52
  a joke about one of the guys that's in OJ Made
• 1:07:54
  in America, one of OJ's friends, how funny his
• 1:07:56
  voice is. Shut up. Shut up. Wait, like actual
• 1:08:04
  OJ's voice or like an actor? Like one of his
• 1:08:06
  buddies is Joe, right? His name is Joe? Joe Bell.
• 1:08:09
  Like a childhood friend of OJ Simpson. But his
• 1:08:14
  voice is very funny. Like, how would you describe
• 1:08:17
  his voice? It's like... It's kind of like raspy.
• 1:08:22
  It's like, man, shut up. Like, I don't like that.
• 1:08:27
  Was Joe featured in the documentary, the O .J.
• 1:08:29
  Made in America documentary? He was. Yeah. I
• 1:08:32
  got to watch that again. That was a fantastic
• 1:08:34
  documentary, by the way. Yeah, Ezra Edelman,
• 1:08:36
  yeah, seven hours. It's, uh, he... It's like,
• 1:08:39
  it's... He won the Oscar for best documentary
• 1:08:41
  that year, but it's also like... It stretched,
• 1:08:44
  like, the how far you can go with documentaries.
• 1:08:48
  It's like it covered so much ground. And I loved
• 1:08:51
  it, like, because it could have literally been
• 1:08:53
  like a sort of e -entertainment Hollywood reporter
• 1:08:57
  concise, like, oh, we're just going to get all
• 1:08:59
  tabloid -y and cover the big trial and the chase
• 1:09:02
  and everything. But they covered OJ from like
• 1:09:06
  birth up until present day at that moment when
• 1:09:09
  the documentary was produced. So I just remember
• 1:09:12
  watching it. when I watched it for the first
• 1:09:14
  time, because I ended up watching it twice, it
• 1:09:16
  was just like, wow, this is really, really fascinating.
• 1:09:20
  Like, you know, covering like how he broke into
• 1:09:22
  professional football, the sort of, the sort
• 1:09:29
  of relationship that he's had with the black
• 1:09:31
  community, and then comparing that to how the
• 1:09:35
  black community was like all for him winning
• 1:09:36
  the trial when that happened, because they wanted
• 1:09:39
  to see a black man win in the justice system.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah, no, that's a great documentary. And I'm
• 1:09:45
  assuming you've already seen the Ryan Murphy
• 1:09:47
  show. I watched it the week before. But yeah,
• 1:09:50
  it's like, for some reason around my birthday,
• 1:09:52
  I'm just fascinated with O .J.'s sets and content.
• 1:09:55
  I've seen all these pictures so many times, I
• 1:09:57
  just put it on in the background. What makes
• 1:10:00
  you fascinated about O .J.? I'm curious. Why
• 1:10:01
  yourself? It's like, I don't remember... Every
• 1:10:05
  birthday the the one that I remember that like
• 1:10:07
  I have to say vivid memory of a birthday was
• 1:10:11
  I'm 16 years old is game six in the MA finals
• 1:10:13
  with the Houston Rockets and New York Nets is
• 1:10:16
  1994 and Interrupting the game was the OJ Simpson
• 1:10:20
  for Bronco chase and everything is like it is
• 1:10:23
  like it's one of those memories of like I remember
• 1:10:25
  when I was wearing I was talking to my dad and
• 1:10:27
  we're both like just fascinating that this would
• 1:10:30
  interrupt a finals game. It went from the feed
• 1:10:34
  being in the corner to, like, the game was completely
• 1:10:36
  off. They're like, we're not even showing the
• 1:10:37
  game anymore. We're showing this. And I think
• 1:10:39
  90 -something million people watched this event.
• 1:10:42
  And for some reason, every year on my birthday,
• 1:10:44
  I just kind of think it's funny just to rewatch
• 1:10:47
  it. But Megan sent me, I was looking at a text
• 1:10:51
  that we sent, and usually every year before my
• 1:10:53
  birthday, she sent me a text, a GIF of the four
• 1:10:56
  Broncos. I mean, I rewatched it this year. We
• 1:11:02
  generally, my boyfriend and I rewatch that documentary
• 1:11:05
  every June. The funny thing about the Bronco
• 1:11:12
  chase in the documentary is like the Detective
• 1:11:14
  Lang, I think has... called OJ in the Bronco
• 1:11:18
  and he's telling OJ to just toss the gun, like,
• 1:11:21
  from the Bronco. Like, you just want him to toss
• 1:11:24
  a gun, like, onto a freeway? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:27
  yeah. Like, what kind of, like, what kind of
• 1:11:30
  detective are you? Like, this is, like, someone,
• 1:11:32
  oh, go ahead, just toss the gun. Doesn't matter
• 1:11:35
  if someone gets, like, injured. So, wait, can
• 1:11:37
  we watch... Gun going off. Can we watch this
• 1:11:39
  on YouTube, like, just, like, long news coverage,
• 1:11:41
  like, in the moment? But you can just watch the
• 1:11:43
  chase on YouTube, and, like, usually I'll just
• 1:11:44
  watch, like... all of OJ made in America, but
• 1:11:47
  you can watch it to chase. Yeah, and you can
• 1:11:49
  hear OJ talking on the phone, talking about he
• 1:11:52
  wants to end his life possibly. Yeah, there's
• 1:11:56
  definitely footage of that, but also Al Cowling's
• 1:11:59
  having that, it was like, you know who I am,
• 1:12:02
  which is the famous thing that Al Cowling said
• 1:12:05
  in the OJ steps and turns, it was like, it's
• 1:12:07
  Al Cowling's, God damn it, you know who I am,
• 1:12:09
  which is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, OJ is,
• 1:12:11
  uh, he is fascinating. He is fascinating because,
• 1:12:15
  like, like, he definitely, when the documentary
• 1:12:19
  is called, like, OJ Made in America, I think
• 1:12:22
  it, he does kind of reflect that sort of contradictory
• 1:12:26
  nuancedness of America. The fact that, the fact
• 1:12:30
  that, like, oh, you could have this, like, straightforward
• 1:12:32
  capitalist success that OJ has, but because of
• 1:12:36
  his skin color, there is that, that, that...
• 1:12:39
  interesting, complicated relationship that he
• 1:12:42
  has had to deal with in terms of that. Surrounding
• 1:12:45
  himself with mostly white people. Maybe he secretly
• 1:12:48
  wanted to be that and emulate that. And, you
• 1:12:54
  know, turning his back on the black community
• 1:12:56
  during the height of his fame. And then the black
• 1:12:58
  community comes to support him when the trial
• 1:13:01
  comes. I mean, there's just, I don't know, there's
• 1:13:03
  just so much to think about in terms of like,
• 1:13:06
  you know, race and what uh, capitalist success
• 1:13:10
  in this country can do to you. Sure. And also
• 1:13:12
  the rise of like, uh, a reality TV, whether it's
• 1:13:15
  like the real world is like almost a year before
• 1:13:18
  you're after, uh, before that we didn't, we didn't
• 1:13:20
  watch court cases on TV like we do, like we did
• 1:13:23
  back then. And now it's like several shows are
• 1:13:26
  about, about, about court cases. Now it's like,
• 1:13:28
  and, uh, how we feel about somebody. Like, I
• 1:13:30
  mean, like he's directly related to the Kardashians
• 1:13:33
  and, and now you can't get rid of these. They're
• 1:13:37
  like, yeah, there's like, all of this tied to
• 1:13:38
  him. Yeah, because Robert Kardashian was one
• 1:13:40
  of his lawyers, I think. One of his lawyers and
• 1:13:42
  one of his pals. And Robert is, is that Kim and
• 1:13:45
  Kourtney and Khloe's father? I think it's all
• 1:13:48
  their fathers, except for Jenner. He's not the
• 1:13:51
  Jenner's, but like, yeah, he's the... Yeah. And
• 1:13:53
  what gets me is, well, first of all, I mean,
• 1:13:56
  this is a silly question. Do you think he did
• 1:13:57
  it? Oh, yeah. But... Yeah, I mean, the evidence
• 1:14:03
  is there. Clearly, like, the documentary will
• 1:14:06
  make it clear that the evidence is all there
• 1:14:08
  to show that, oh, yeah, I think he actually did
• 1:14:10
  kill his wife and Ronald Goldman. But I think
• 1:14:13
  maybe what fascinates me more than, you know,
• 1:14:17
  him getting arrested, the trial, blah, blah,
• 1:14:18
  blah, is what he does, like, since being acquitted.
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  of the... Someone messed with this episode. That's
• 1:15:28
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• 1:15:32
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• 1:15:35
  didn't O .J. write a fictional book, a so -called
• 1:15:37
  fictional book called If I Did It? Yeah. So he
• 1:15:40
  did that. And then, um, he lost the, because
• 1:15:44
  there was a civil case that followed the big
• 1:15:46
  trial, like where he lost that. Um, and then
• 1:15:50
  later on in like, I think 2008, he gets arrested
• 1:15:53
  for stealing memorabilia and like Vegas and goes
• 1:15:56
  to prison for that. Like, it's just so interesting.
• 1:15:58
  Like it was this mammoth trial. He could have
• 1:16:01
  been locked up for life. If he was found guilty,
• 1:16:02
  he got acquitted. And I feel like there was just
• 1:16:05
  something within him that said, Oh, I got away
• 1:16:08
  with this. And maybe like. I feel guilty about
• 1:16:12
  it. So to sort of show you in a weird way that
• 1:16:17
  I'm guilty about getting away, I'm just going
• 1:16:19
  to do like some weird fucking shit to get myself
• 1:16:22
  in trouble. He moved to Florida to protect his,
• 1:16:25
  uh, his assets. Yeah. It was like in his pension.
• 1:16:28
  So, uh, and then when he gets afforded, it just
• 1:16:30
  starts wallowing out. So he started going crazy
• 1:16:34
  when he was in Florida. How did you feel when
• 1:16:36
  he died of, I think he died of cancer like a
• 1:16:38
  few years ago, didn't he? Well, it's always like,
• 1:16:40
  uh, You got to think of him in like, I guess
• 1:16:43
  like three different parts, like the football
• 1:16:44
  legend. I mean, the guy won the Heisman Trophy,
• 1:16:46
  which is the greatest trophy that you can get
• 1:16:47
  as a college football athlete. He's arguably
• 1:16:49
  one of the greatest running backs to ever play
• 1:16:51
  the game, but he's also, he killed two people.
• 1:16:54
  So like it's, you got to separate like a few
• 1:16:57
  of the things or like as far as life goes. Like,
• 1:16:59
  and for me, like as a kid, the Naked Gun movies,
• 1:17:03
  I thought were hysterical. And they still are.
• 1:17:06
  I mean, like just, just the stupid little jokes
• 1:17:08
  that they have in there that like, that, I could
• 1:17:10
  never not hear the national anthem and not think
• 1:17:12
  of the naked gun when he's singing the national,
• 1:17:15
  when uh, let's see, no singing a natural anthem.
• 1:17:18
  Uh, it was like he's, he's messing up all the
• 1:17:19
  words. It's just, it's yeah. So yeah, no, he's
• 1:17:22
  like, he's, he's a, he's a complicated character
• 1:17:24
  in a, and he's a lot, he's a lot of different
• 1:17:26
  things. He's this one thing, this one thing,
• 1:17:28
  and also a person who murdered two people. So,
• 1:17:30
  I mean, and that's even after his death, that's
• 1:17:33
  still being debated. I think like, there's people
• 1:17:37
  on Reddit that don't think he. There's that,
• 1:17:40
  there's that. I don't think he did it, yeah.
• 1:17:41
  There's also the fact that this is something
• 1:17:44
  that happened 34 years ago on my birthday nonetheless,
• 1:17:47
  that there was a Netflix thing about him just
• 1:17:49
  last year. Yeah, that's all right. The content
• 1:17:52
  just keeps going. It's really bizarre. Literally,
• 1:17:54
  it's like, oh my God, how can you beat OJ made
• 1:17:56
  in America? I mean, personally, I think the Netflix
• 1:17:58
  produced documentary didn't beat it. Dino, it's
• 1:18:02
  funny. I listened to that director on a podcast
• 1:18:04
  because I was like, why are we doing this? But
• 1:18:05
  then I listened to the podcast and that once
• 1:18:08
  the person who was on the show, hosting the show,
• 1:18:11
  even mentioned OJ Mann in America or that he
• 1:18:13
  mentioned it was like, it was like, why are you
• 1:18:15
  doing this? Because his whole thing was like,
• 1:18:17
  this is for those degenerate people who don't
• 1:18:19
  know who this person is. So I was like, all right.
• 1:18:22
  Interesting. That's a very odd choice. Yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Why is it necessary to bring this up for the
• 1:18:28
  generation that... I like to say for who and
• 1:18:30
  for what. That's what I like to tell people.
• 1:18:31
  Yeah, right. To make money. The answer to all
• 1:18:35
  your questions is about money. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:18:37
  It always comes back to money. This was great,
• 1:18:40
  guys. I'm so glad that you came on the pod, and
• 1:18:43
  I want to give you an opportunity to plug whatever
• 1:18:45
  you want to plug, whether it be the No Season
• 1:18:48
  2 pod. Maybe you can, you know, queue us up for
• 1:18:51
  episodes that might be coming in the future.
• 1:18:53
  George, if you want to, you know, specifically
• 1:18:55
  tell us where we can find your music podcast
• 1:18:57
  when it comes out. Like, just plug away, both
• 1:18:59
  of you. I'll plug No Season 2. So... We're going
• 1:19:04
  to get back to it in 2027, early 2027. Um, we
• 1:19:08
  haven't decided on a season of a show that we'll
• 1:19:11
  do, but hopefully it's a little more lighthearted
• 1:19:13
  than couples in therapy. Yeah, we'll do a comedy.
• 1:19:19
  Um, so be on the lookout for that. And for me,
• 1:19:23
  like those season two is definitely like the.
• 1:19:25
  is my number one. That's like, that's the love
• 1:19:27
  of my life. But like, in the meantime, we're
• 1:19:28
  going to break. While we're on a break, I'm going
• 1:19:31
  to George reviews records with his friends. And
• 1:19:33
  it's just going to be me talking records with
• 1:19:34
  my pals and we're going to go from there. So
• 1:19:36
  we're going to cover every aspect of a certain
• 1:19:39
  record that I already own. So that's sort of,
• 1:19:41
  that's sort of nerd them with the one with your
• 1:19:43
  friends. How can we follow you both on socials
• 1:19:45
  if you guys don't mind sharing? You can follow
• 1:19:47
  No Season Two. No Season 2 pod on Instagram.
• 1:19:52
  You can find us on Blue Sky, but I don't really
• 1:19:54
  think anybody's on Blue Sky. I mean, people are
• 1:19:58
  on it, but let's be real here. I never even tried
• 1:20:00
  to be on it in the first place. I can't take
• 1:20:02
  anymore. You can follow me on Instagram at The
• 1:20:05
  Megan Show. And it is quite a show. I'm just
• 1:20:11
  kidding. Post my life, but not really. Just my
• 1:20:15
  thoughts. And me, you can follow me at the real
• 1:20:20
  YGF. Your good friend was the name of my comedy
• 1:20:23
  record. And it's been something I've said for
• 1:20:24
  years. So YGF, George B. Gordon, I -I -I. And
• 1:20:28
  it's my socials, it's music that I buy, and pictures
• 1:20:30
  of my cat. Who's right there? Has she been there
• 1:20:35
  the whole time? No, she moved over there when
• 1:20:37
  she was like, she's like, who are these people
• 1:20:38
  he's talking to? My cat's name is Gladys, named
• 1:20:41
  after Gladys Knight, my favorite singer. Ah,
• 1:20:44
  fantastic. Gladys! We're more roommates than
• 1:20:50
  we are like, we're like that old couple that
• 1:20:52
  doesn't, that they can't break up forever. That's,
• 1:20:55
  that's me and Gladys. Yeah. Yeah. We, we have
• 1:20:57
  five dogs and two cats here at the house in Vermont.
• 1:20:59
  Uh, and, and occasionally one of my cats will
• 1:21:02
  become what I like to call the office cat, just
• 1:21:04
  kind of hanging around me as I'm doing podcast
• 1:21:05
  stuff. Um, is, is Gladys your only pet? Yeah,
• 1:21:09
  I think we're, we're going to, we're going to
• 1:21:10
  be one for a little bit. I thought about getting
• 1:21:12
  a Patti Labelle. or a Whitney Houston, but we'll
• 1:21:15
  see, or Stephanie Mills, but we'll see how that,
• 1:21:19
  I'm thinking, there's just such a thing here,
• 1:21:20
  all my animals are gonna be named after singers
• 1:21:22
  that I like. So. All the iconic black female
• 1:21:24
  singers, I love them. Making you up there. Chaka
• 1:21:28
  Common, but yeah. Right. It's like, but Gladys
• 1:21:32
  is such a, she's like one of those, like she's
• 1:21:34
  not the friendliest. Yeah. She's like, and there's
• 1:21:38
  been animals over here before, and she's just
• 1:21:39
  like, get that thing out of here. And I'm like,
• 1:21:41
  all right, that's it. Like a bird will come to
• 1:21:43
  the window and she'll just stare at it, and she
• 1:21:45
  could tell if she wants to go to the window and...
• 1:21:47
  Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. ...pack this thing. That's
• 1:21:49
  hilarious. Megan, do you have pets? We don't.
• 1:21:52
  Our apartment doesn't allow pets, so... We want
• 1:21:56
  to get a cat, but we'll have to move before we
• 1:22:01
  can do that. But all my pets are the ones that
• 1:22:04
  I see on Instagram and get emotionally attached
• 1:22:06
  to. And then when I find out they pass away,
• 1:22:09
  I'm like... How could you do this to me? I know.
• 1:22:14
  It's very sad. It is sad. So I don't even know
• 1:22:16
  if I'm emotionally capable of having that. So
• 1:22:21
  my wife and I today, we just came, so she's like
• 1:22:23
  president of a dog rescue and we just came from
• 1:22:25
  a volunteer event to try to, you know, get some
• 1:22:28
  foster dogs adopted. Um, and one of the people
• 1:22:32
  that came in is like a regular person who comes
• 1:22:35
  through and sees the dogs and they looked at
• 1:22:38
  this very adorable dog, Roxy, who is as sweet
• 1:22:40
  as can be just very well behaved, quiet, will
• 1:22:43
  let you pet her. She's the sweetest, but the
• 1:22:46
  deal breaker for him possibly is that she's nine
• 1:22:48
  years old. And the way I think about it is that,
• 1:22:51
  okay, yes, I understand. Like, you know, she's
• 1:22:53
  maybe got like five years left and that could
• 1:22:55
  be heartbreaking when she dies. But I don't know.
• 1:22:58
  As someone who's owned quite a bit of pets and
• 1:23:01
  have seen them come and go, I just see it as
• 1:23:03
  like an acceptance of, you know, they... are
• 1:23:05
  on this earth for a short period of time, and
• 1:23:07
  it's our job as humans to give them the best
• 1:23:11
  life ever, no matter how old they are. Did Roxy
• 1:23:16
  get adopted? Pending. I think someone might have
• 1:23:19
  thought about an application. Someone adopt Roxy,
• 1:23:21
  everyone. Someone adopt Rex. We have a really
• 1:23:24
  energetic one -year -old named Rex here who really
• 1:23:26
  needs to go because he is, I mean, he's great.
• 1:23:30
  He's a good boy, but it's just, you know, we
• 1:23:32
  already have five dogs that we own. So to have
• 1:23:34
  six dogs, it's just like, ah, George and Megan,
• 1:23:37
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