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Meta Vibes vs OpenAI Pulse: A Tale of Two Releases · In the Loop AI

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Josh: So remember all those big billion dollar paychecks multi-billion
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Josh: dollar paychecks that we've been talking about zuck issuing to these top
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Josh: tier ai engineers ejaz well the good news and the bad news is that we know where
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Josh: the money's been going now because the meta team has released their first major
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Josh: product and it's a little freaking scary it's a little dystopian we're going
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Josh: to get into exactly what it is how it all works but before that there is a second
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Josh: character in this story that is taking a seemingly opposite approach.
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Josh: And that's OpenAI, who has dedicated all of their engineering talent towards
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Josh: a new feature called Pulse.
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Josh: Now, Pulse proactively assumes what you are going to want and delivers you value
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Josh: and thinks for you literally overnight in order to make your life better.
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Josh: So what we're seeing here, as these companies release more features,
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Josh: is that they're actually taking two very separate approaches that are seemingly
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Josh: one kind of optimistic, one a little more dystopian than each other.
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Josh: EJS, can you first walk us through the meta news, what they announced,
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Josh: how it works, what they've been up to with all of this multi multi multi multi
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Josh: billion dollars worth of talent.
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Ejaaz: Okay so the product is appropriately
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Ejaaz: called vibes which implies
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Ejaaz: that it's something uh good that's gonna kind of like comfort you maybe even
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Ejaaz: sedate you josh and i use that term very specifically because they've basically
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Ejaaz: created ai tiktok ai ig reels um in the words of alexander wang the head of
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Ejaaz: Meta's super intelligence lab.
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Ejaaz: He goes, excited to share Vibes, a new feed in the Meta AI app for short form AI generated videos.
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Ejaaz: And rather than speak about what it is, I'm going to show you a few videos.
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Ejaaz: You've got an astronaut riding a bike here. You've got a bear and a dinosaur
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Ejaaz: fighting underwater. You've got a cat announcing the news. You've got people running on clouds.
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Ejaaz: And before I start shitting on this, Josh, I'm going to say that it's actually
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Ejaaz: really high quality um the graphics the kind of way that you can seamlessly
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Ejaaz: edit and remix a bunch of these different contents and videos it's actually pretty cool but i don't
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Ejaaz: really agree with the thesis which is basically
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Ejaaz: how can i get a bunch of people addicted to watching short form content as if
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Ejaaz: they weren't already addicted as well already you can now basically take any
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Ejaaz: kind of idea that you might have spend a few seconds running out a prompt and
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Ejaaz: create a new video that just endlessly loops addicting you to watch it over
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Ejaaz: and over again can you walk us through
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Josh: Like exactly how this works is is it the user that's kind of prompting a model
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Josh: and then posting it to a separate timeline is that kind of what this is So maybe
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Josh: like an Instagram-Facebook hybrid, but purely AI-generated? Yeah.
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Ejaaz: So if you imagine you're on your Instagram app and you click add a post or create
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Ejaaz: a post, you will now see an option to create an AI-generated video.
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Ejaaz: And when you tap that, it'll come up with a little prompt box,
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Ejaaz: similar to if you've ever interacted with ChatGPT or even typed anything in Google.
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Ejaaz: And you can just describe what you want to see in a video.
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Ejaaz: So it could be, in this case, a cow wearing sunglasses mooing at you enthusiastically,
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Ejaaz: or it could be a bird flying underwater. It could be pretty much anything you want to make up.
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Josh: Okay, this was shocking when I saw this.
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Josh: I guess it would be an understatement, it was my perception.
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Josh: But before we get into my perception, your perception, because I'm curious what
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Josh: you think, Ejaz, what did the public think of this? How did they take this news?
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Ejaaz: Okay so there are two camps uh
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Ejaaz: one is louder than the other so camp
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Ejaaz: number one unsurprising uh is summarized
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Ejaaz: by lindy man over here always a good reminder
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Ejaaz: that the people making these products are not using them
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Ejaaz: zuck is spending his time doing mma training running
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Ejaaz: a business reading but why buying hawaiian
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Ejaaz: real estate and talking to people this is meant for
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Ejaaz: you not him he sells you plastic and
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Ejaaz: rubber so he can buy wood and stone the point that this
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Ejaaz: man is making is basically he's selling you a
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Ejaaz: product that is going to waste your hours waste your
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Ejaaz: time suck your attention up into a vacuum
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Ejaaz: that pays betters bills pays their advertisers out
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Ejaaz: whilst you eventually are the product
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Ejaaz: now the other camp is displayed
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Ejaaz: by Arthur Rock over here where he goes not surprised
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Ejaaz: by the overwhelming d-cell takes on this it
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Ejaaz: is the same myopic snobbery of inventions past
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Ejaaz: david hockney called the photograph looking at the world from the point of view
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Ejaaz: of a paralyzed cyclops basically this person is saying you guys are being extremely
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Ejaaz: short-sighted this is the new innovation that everyone's been hoping for and
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Ejaaz: it'll end up being a very productive thing
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Ejaaz: Before I want you to retaliate to this, Josh, I can see his point of view.
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Ejaaz: I can see his point of view. If this is a tool that is used for good,
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Ejaaz: imagine being able to educate on a very abstract concept that is so hard to
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Ejaaz: communicate over words or just by speaking into a microphone, much that we do.
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Ejaaz: If there was a way that we could visually kind of illustrate a complex topic
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Ejaaz: and teach many others, I could see that being really productive.
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Ejaaz: But I don't think that that's what it's going to be used for the majority.
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Ejaaz: I think it's going to be used for mass consumption. Whatever gets you views, whatever gets you paid.
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Ejaaz: Josh, I want to pass the ball to you to give the first opinionated take on this, please.
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Josh: Okay. So like I said, like we've been saying for months, they have spent an
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Josh: astronomical amount of money on hiring talent.
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Josh: They have extracted the best engineers in the world.
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Ejaaz: $23 billion, which includes a $15 billion investment to acquire Alexander Wang,
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Ejaaz: the guy that heads up this product.
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Josh: They spent $15 billion for the guy that just posted that tweet.
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Josh: So that's the context there. They have spent an ungodly amount of money designing
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Josh: and developing this team, which you would hope that they are working to design
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Josh: this really impressive software.
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Josh: And before I get into the actual commentary, I do want to provide a little context
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Josh: to the people who kind of aren't aware, or this was something I was thinking
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Josh: about as I was reading the news, is that when you think about Meta and previously Facebook,
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Josh: the Facebook team spent a lot of years and a lot of talent on developing a way to better serve ads.
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Josh: And that resulted in a very addicted algorithm. them.
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Josh: So they spent God knows how many engineers, millions of hours,
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Josh: top talent out of universities.
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Josh: They sucked them in. They paid them with a lot of incentives and these wonderful
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Josh: offices that they get to work in, free lunches.
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Josh: And they said, hey, your job is to figure out how to create a better timeline
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Josh: to get people more hooked to sell better ads.
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Josh: And that is a little bit of a dystopian way of seeing things.
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Josh: So when I heard that they were spending all this money to hire all this talent,
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Josh: this new AI initiative for a new company named Meta, I was like,
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Josh: okay, we got a chance here. and the very first product they announce is.
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Josh: How to get people addicted to a timeline for the AI age, where it is AI version
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Josh: of this timeline, except it's generated completely through an AI model instead of human generated.
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Josh: And the scary thing for me is that AI generated content, EJ,
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Josh: as we've talked about this in the past,
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Josh: it can get very good very quickly, where if you have access to a front facing
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Josh: camera on someone's smartphone, and it's watching your eyes dilate as you watch
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Josh: more interesting videos or lower and it detects every retention rate,
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Josh: it can slowly iterate over time.
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Josh: And with TikTok, when you're scrolling through these timelines, there's a a
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Josh: fixed set of content that you can get through so maybe the
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Josh: algorithm is choosing between five top videos that are interesting to
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Josh: you with an ai generated timeline there
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Josh: is no limit to the amount of videos
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Josh: it's very open-ended so that n number that they could choose from becomes infinite which
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Josh: means you can iterate over time until it becomes maximally addicting
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Josh: for the specific user and generate content on
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Josh: the fly so that is my dystopian approach it is very discouraging to
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Josh: see this like i understand where they're coming from but
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Josh: like my god as the first product to offer without any
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Josh: good explanation like i'd love to hear from
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Josh: them why i think they really just drop this
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Josh: and like hey here's this thing we've been working on here's our first cool project um
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Josh: without explaining the the vision and the why behind it and i think that's equally
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Josh: as important because sure this is great technology it's nothing novel we've
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Josh: seen vo3 make great videos way better than these so it's not like this is novel
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Josh: technology they've just applied a timeline to it for the first time um but i'm
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Josh: curious if you agree or disagree just what are your thoughts on,
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Josh: where do you stand with this okay.
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Ejaaz: So i'm conflicted i agree with a lot of what you just said but i want to point
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Ejaaz: a few things out i want to argue with you a bit josh feel free to jump in whenever okay um
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Ejaaz: Number one, I think we might be sitting on our own ethical horses right now.
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Ejaaz: Do we apply the same kind of critique
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Ejaaz: to TikTok as much or social media in general? I'm not sure that we do.
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Ejaaz: I think that because you and I are so invested in AI and we want to see it kind
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Ejaaz: of change the world, we expect that anyone,
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Ejaaz: particularly someone that's spending hundreds of billions of dollars on compute
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Ejaaz: to scale the best AI models in the world to use it for good or whatever we define as good.
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Ejaaz: I don't think Zuck's ever explicitly stated that he was going to do that, right?
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Ejaaz: He never claimed that he wanted to build the best AI model to make you a genius.
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Ejaaz: He said Facebook or Meta specifically's mission and goal has always been to
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Ejaaz: bring people together, to create a better social environment,
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Ejaaz: to help them connect, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. and he said that Meta's
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Ejaaz: chops have been cut in building consumer apps.
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Ejaaz: That's their bread and butter. He said that on the Doha Cash interview that
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Ejaaz: he was on a couple of weeks back, right?
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Ejaaz: And he's kind of delivering on that promise, I guess. And maybe we just don't
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Ejaaz: like how it's materialized.
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Ejaaz: I agree with you that he should have sold the vision a bit more because Zuck
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Ejaaz: has never explicitly come out and said, hey, we want to increase eyeballs on our app.
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Ejaaz: We need to increase shareholder value. And therefore, that's what we're trying
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Ejaaz: to do here. he's always sold a more like, we're going to connect people online
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Ejaaz: and that's going to bring us closer together.
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Ejaaz: I want to hear what his pitch is.
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Ejaaz: I'm kind of curious to hear from him versus Alexander Wang.
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Ejaaz: The other thing that I'll say is I do think they're going to spin this from
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Ejaaz: an educational point of view as well.
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Ejaaz: I think they're going to use examples of people using this to kind of explain
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Ejaaz: really complex topics, to illustrate new inventions or whatever that might be,
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Ejaaz: or even to ideate like kind of new film concepts or video concepts to entertain.
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Ejaaz: And I don't think net net, that's going to really result in too much of a bad thing.
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Ejaaz: But I think you and I have been primed on TikTok too much. The other thing that is in your camp, Josh,
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Ejaaz: is I think Zuck has seen a growing trend of Gen Z people watching absolute slop,
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Ejaaz: not AI slop, just slop on TikTok.
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Ejaaz: If you watch what some of the kids are digesting, like what was that skibbity
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Ejaaz: toilet trend that was going nuts that basically all the kids could talk about
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Ejaaz: or baby shark and all that kind of stuff.
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Ejaaz: I think he's seen that and he knows that there are a bunch of kids that are
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Ejaaz: entering the workforce or whatever that like this kind of stuff and he's just
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Ejaaz: engineering a product that they're going to get hooked on and I'm very bearish on that.
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Josh: Very well could be. I guess we'll leave it at that and we'll see.
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Josh: I'm very much looking forward to the messaging that they're going to have around
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Josh: this going forward and how they plan to use the technology.
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Josh: But maybe you're right. Maybe we're just being a little too optimistic on our
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Josh: expectations for Meta and the team.
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Ejaaz: But this isn't unlike Meta or Zuck's nature, right?
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Ejaaz: Like literally last week, they
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Ejaaz: released a new AI dating app with two features that will help you find
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Ejaaz: the love of your life, or, you know, just a girlfriend or a boyfriend or whoever
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Ejaaz: you want to hang out with.
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Ejaaz: And I'm referencing, this post summarizes actually very well,
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Ejaaz: that the new AI assistant lets you search for a Brooklyn tech bro who would
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Ejaaz: go to EDM concerts with me.
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Ejaaz: And this one hit pretty close to home because, you know, we live in Brooklyn
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Ejaaz: and it very much fulfills the stereotype here.
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Ejaaz: So the point I'm making is Zuck and Meta haven't really kind of blindsided us
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Ejaaz: or surprised us. They've kind of been making moves like this all along.
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Ejaaz: And maybe this is the next step of a path that they just want to go down.
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Josh: Yeah, I guess. Well, time will tell. I'm looking forward to future messaging
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Josh: from $15 billion Alex Wang.
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Josh: Hopefully he has something a little more inspiring to share with us.
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Josh: But on the inspiring front, on the optimistic front, on the hopeful front,
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Josh: we have OpenAI Ejaz, who is now doing something proactive.
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Josh: I think this is the first time where an AI is actually thinking on behalf of
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Josh: you without being prompted. Can you explain to us what's going on with this new pulse feature.
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Ejaaz: Okay what if i told you josh that the episode that we're filming tomorrow the
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Ejaaz: ai roundup was actually formed by open ai's latest product that they released a few days ago that'd
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Josh: Be pretty stoked because uh that would save us a lot of time in preparation yep.
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Ejaaz: I am talking about open ai pulse and in sam's words pulse works for you overnight
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Ejaaz: and keeps thinking about your interests, your connected data,
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Ejaaz: your recent chats, and more.
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Ejaaz: Every morning, you get a custom-generated set of stuff you might be interested in.
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Ejaaz: It performs well if you tell ChatGPT more about what's important to you.
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Ejaaz: In regular chat, you could mention, I'd like to go visit Bora Bora someday,
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Ejaaz: or my kid is six months old and I'm interested in developmental milestones.
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Ejaaz: And in the future, you might get useful updates. And to kind of summarize what
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Ejaaz: this product does, Josh, it's kind of a digital you.
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Ejaaz: Thinks and gets better as you sleep, literally.
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Ejaaz: So whilst you and I are asleep, it's thinking about what would Josh want to
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Ejaaz: hear about tomorrow morning?
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Ejaaz: What was the task Josh was trying to figure out at 12 p.m.
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Ejaaz: Today that he didn't end up figuring out? How can I help him achieve that goal
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Ejaaz: faster and quicker than his deadline in a week's time?
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Ejaaz: It's meant to be a digital version of you that's meant to help and aid you,
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Ejaaz: very much like a personalized AI that you and I have been so,
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Ejaaz: so excited about kind of using and interacting with.
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Ejaaz: This was a feature that they released for pro users.
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Ejaaz: And in the words of Fiji Simo, the CEO of product, she goes,
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Ejaaz: AI should do more than just answer questions.
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Ejaaz: It should anticipate your needs and help reach your goals.
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Ejaaz: And I kind of like this idea of instead of pitching you an AI agent that can
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Ejaaz: solve all your problems,
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Ejaaz: they're taking the step before that, which is let me help understand what you're
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Ejaaz: trying to achieve and help you in small ways, which is give you up the information
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Ejaaz: that you didn't even know you needed to help reach your goals.
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Josh: This is super exciting. This is, it feels like a very natural extension to OpenAI's memory feature.
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Josh: I mean, if you remember, they were the first ones, I believe,
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Josh: to roll out memory and it became kind of the moat that they had.
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Josh: And I love that this is an attempt to build on top of the moat.
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Josh: And I also love that that came from Fiji, who is the CEO of product of OpenAI, like the a semi-CEO.
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Josh: But it's cool that they're actually, they're shipping these really cool features
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Josh: that are now building on top of that mode that they've created.
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Josh: And again, I mean, I use ChatGPT mostly because of that memory mode.
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Josh: I think it's really powerful. It makes a big deal. And I would love,
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Josh: for AI to be proactive. And by all means, I very much think this is the first
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Josh: time an AI is doing this, where it is actually ingesting your memory,
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Josh: sitting on it, thinking about it.
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Josh: They are applying the absolute best models they have overnight when you are
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Josh: not online, and then surfacing the most helpful things based on their absolute
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Josh: best models the following morning.
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Josh: And that to me seems really helpful.
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Josh: Like, okay, maybe it's in a way, it's like, a lot of times someone will tell
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Josh: you like, oh, just go sleep on it. You'll come to an answer in the morning.
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Josh: AI is very much. It's sleeping on it. It's sleeping on it for you,
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Josh: on your behalf. And it is surfacing the best answer. So to me,
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Josh: this is a really cool feature. I'm a big fan.
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Ejaaz: Do you want to know something cool, Josh? So I have a pro subscription and I've
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Ejaaz: been using it in the four days since it's been released.
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Josh: What has it been like? What do you get?
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Ejaaz: It started off kind of like a newsletter, your own personalized newsletter on
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Ejaaz: your life, Josh, on all your interests that you wanted to hear about.
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Ejaaz: And the newsletter would tell me things that happened
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Ejaaz: over the last couple of days okay this is the this
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Ejaaz: is the progress i'm really excited to tell you about this okay so step one is
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Ejaaz: newsletter debrief on the things that have happened the
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Ejaaz: last few days it that's cool but nothing super
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Ejaaz: novel day two it started
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Ejaaz: telling me those things that happened over the last couple of days but also
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Ejaaz: started giving me ideas of what could happen in the future it was like okay
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Ejaaz: oh have you ever thought about like you know maybe this AI agent could end up
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Ejaaz: actually feasibly doing this because of this advancement that NVIDIA did with this chip.
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Ejaaz: And I'm like, huh, you know what? I never really thought about that.
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Ejaaz: That's actually really interesting.
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Ejaaz: And then yesterday, Josh, the prompt that it gave me was a list of things that
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Ejaaz: was the latest news in AI.
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Ejaaz: And it said, by the way, have you considered talking about this angle when you
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Ejaaz: film the episode on Wednesday? Yeah.
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Ejaaz: And I was like, how, wait, how do you know I'm filming an episode on Wednesday?
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Ejaaz: And then I realized I'd had a separate conversation with ChatGPT earlier on
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Ejaaz: that day, trying to brainstorm ideas of how I would frame an argument.
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Ejaaz: And it had brought in a new news topic that had broke that morning and synthesized
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Ejaaz: it with that goal that I was going to film on Wednesday.
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Ejaaz: And it was said, by the way, you should include this in that and frame it this way.
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Ejaaz: So it's already kind of getting me to think ahead of my life in ways that I
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Ejaaz: actually hadn't considered. or maybe I would only think about on that day.
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Ejaaz: So it's kind of like helping my future self in a weird way.
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Josh: That is very cool. And it seems like you are not alone in your happy sentiment
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Josh: around it because Kevin, I mean, we have some public commentary.
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Josh: People also seem to be pretty stoked that this is happening, right?
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Ejaaz: Yeah, so Kevin Rose has a tweet here where he goes, ChatGPT Pulse is one of
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Ejaaz: the most impactful features OpenAI has released.
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Ejaaz: It's an agent that continuously researches on your behalf, building on topics
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Ejaaz: from your recent conversations. i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around
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Ejaaz: this paradigm because it's truly unlike anything we've seen before and i guess
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Ejaaz: that i kind of resonate with
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Josh: That so i guess in the search to figure out how this works uh we
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Josh: stumbled upon this post by nathan dashes and he
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Josh: just said yeah just had an interesting experience with gpt plus last night
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Josh: i asked gpt a question and it gave me an answer that was
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Josh: just so so this morning the first card impulse was three
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Josh: times better to the same question um and
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Josh: then you could see there's a response from adam fry who is the lead of product
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Josh: at open ai and he said well overnight we use our best
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Josh: models and also try to think the broader intent
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Josh: of the question you ask to see if chat gpt can
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Josh: be even more helpful so what's really cool is what they're doing is i just i
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Josh: also have to wonder if they're using this as a test bed for new models without
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Josh: telling you they said they're absolute best models i wonder if that's a teaser
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Josh: i don't know i'm just speculating so i wonder if this this creates this new
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Josh: meta of engaging with the ai where you can actually prompt which topics to think about overnight.
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Josh: And if you don't feel satisfied with the answer, maybe you could just subtly
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Josh: hint it to request to think harder on it overnight.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I think you kind of nailed it, Josh. So there's this paragraph in Fiji's
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Ejaaz: announcement post where she goes, our reasoning models, and she's referring
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Ejaaz: to OpenAI's latest models,
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Ejaaz: were built to spend more time thinking before they answer, allowing them to
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Ejaaz: work through complex tasks in science, coding, math at near PhD level.
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Ejaaz: And this is something you and I have spoken about, Josh.
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Ejaaz: We keep talking about these models breaking benchmarks and being so, so smart.
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Ejaaz: But most of our listeners, including you and I, don't really get to see the
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Ejaaz: fruits of this labor, right?
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Ejaaz: We're like, okay, we're not doing PhD level coding. So what? Who cares?
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Ejaaz: And Fiji goes, Pulse takes that intelligence and applies it proactively to your
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Ejaaz: personal everyday life helping you make progress
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Ejaaz: in the things that matter even when you don't think so it's almost
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Ejaaz: as if they're saying these models were already available and
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Ejaaz: intelligent and we're surfacing this feature this new
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Ejaaz: product for you so that you can see it happen to you in real time literally
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Ejaaz: change the way you work and interact with ai over time and i just want to give
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Ejaaz: my quick take an opinion on this because we just covered like the doom of vision
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Ejaaz: of like meta's uh scrolling a TikTok app, and then we have suddenly this.
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Ejaaz: This is way more optimistic. I can see myself using this every day and actually
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Ejaaz: growing to really depend and love it.
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Ejaaz: Obviously, the Duma side of that is like, if I'm dependent on this and OpenAI
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Ejaaz: has all my data, could they use that for different things?
20:16
Ejaaz: But the optimistic side is, do I care if it's making me more of a productive human being?
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Ejaaz: If I can do 10x more things than I could originally do, if it can anticipate
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Ejaaz: problems before they even happen to me, that's something that I'm willing not
20:29
Ejaaz: only to pay 200 bucks for, but maybe even a thousand bucks for if it ends up doing that, right?
20:35
Ejaaz: And then the stark contrast to point out the obvious is this seems to be a product
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Ejaaz: that is sucking your attention to make you more productive, to make you smarter.
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Ejaaz: Whereas Meta's thing seems to be like, you know, let me help you consume a bunch
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Ejaaz: of video content and waste your time on that kind of stuff.
20:51
Ejaaz: That's the obvious. Do you have the same kind of take, Josh, or anything different?
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Josh: Yeah, what you said reminded me of this war that I've been at with all of the
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Josh: large model companies, which is against the singular text box.
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Josh: Like the fact that you're presented with the world's knowledge and a single
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Josh: text box to engage with it really drives me crazy.
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Josh: Frustration to no end and what i love about
21:13
Josh: the open ai approach is well it's just it's proactive it
21:16
Josh: serves you things that you wouldn't necessarily require
21:19
Josh: that amount of knowledge for but it takes the large knowledge that's unused and
21:22
Josh: it applies it to something that's valuable for you and it serves it to you and i think
21:25
Josh: that's great and i mean meta meta just has
21:28
Josh: this this kind of like strange slightly less
21:31
Josh: inspiring approach and sure ai video it's not
21:34
Josh: that great now it's going to get fantastic i'm sure ai video
21:37
Josh: will i mean eventually become more interesting than
21:40
Josh: tiktok and it will become a very interesting valuable
21:44
Josh: platform it's just on a personal note leaves
21:47
Josh: me uninspired to see all this talent going towards that instead of something
21:51
Josh: like open ai so for today for this moment in time i am a little upset with meta
21:56
Josh: pretty happy with open ai we'll see how this changes over time but two very
22:01
Josh: interesting noteworthy product releases that had happened just very recently here?
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Ejaaz: I think it is a tale of two different cities.
22:10
Ejaaz: Facebook and Meta is doing its own thing. It is a social media platform.
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Ejaaz: They never claim to change the world and make you the most intelligent person
22:17
Ejaaz: ever. They're there to kind of connect people.
22:20
Ejaaz: And I'm ironically lacking the argument for connection with their new product.
22:25
Ejaaz: Addiction, I get. Connection, less so. And with the OpenAI product,
22:29
Ejaaz: Sam has always kind of pitched this vision of AGI, super intelligence,
22:35
Ejaaz: like we're going to make you smarter and it's going to make you way more productive
22:37
Ejaaz: and humans are going to prosper, UBI, all this kind of stuff.
22:40
Ejaaz: And I can see this as a step towards that.
22:42
Ejaaz: The thing that I'm most excited about in the OpenAI stuff is this seems like
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Ejaaz: the premeditated step before launching your own personal agent that can do way
22:51
Ejaaz: more things than just talk to you. It can buy stuff for you and build stuff for you.
22:55
Ejaaz: And, you know, they release something this morning um that will allow you to
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Ejaaz: like pay or buy uh anything which anyway is super cool
23:03
Ejaaz: Josh, we have a really exciting episode that we're filming on Thursday,
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Ejaaz: which is with the guys that built this product, which built OpenAI Pulse. The Pulse product.
23:12
Josh: The one that we like today.
23:13
Ejaaz: The Pulse, the optimistic outlook. I'm highlighting the sentence.
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Josh: Talking to the optimist.
23:18
Ejaaz: Yeah, I'm highlighting the end of Sam's announcement post where he goes,
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Ejaaz: huge congrats to Christina and Samir and the team for building this.
23:26
Ejaaz: Christina and Samir are coming on our show on Thursday. We are recording that
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Ejaaz: episode and we're going to dig deep into AI personalization and agents.
23:36
Ejaaz: And we cannot wait to show this to you guys.
23:39
Ejaaz: But that comes to the end of our episode. Unless Josh, you have any other hot takes?
23:43
Josh: That's everything. So yeah, if you guys are excited about the Christina and
23:47
Josh: Samir episode, please tune in.
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Josh: That is like pretty huge for us to actually talk to the people who are responsible
23:52
Josh: for creating the news that we were discussing on the show. Super exciting.
23:55
Josh: One task for you in the comment section is to share which side you are on.
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Josh: Are we being delusional?
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Josh: Is it the pessimists that are correct? Is it the people who are building AI
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Josh: Slap? Are you team meta? Are you team open AI today?
24:06
Josh: It's all right. You're allowed to change your opinion next week,
24:08
Josh: but for today, where do you stand?
24:09
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24:17
Josh: And we will see you again in the next one for a roundup of all of the other
24:21
Josh: stuff that we didn't get to talk about today.
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Josh: So stay tuned. We have a lot coming up and we will talk to you all in the next one.