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Change Your Words, Change Your Life: Decoding the Ancestral Power of Language | Michael Bernoff · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Welcome back to Everyday Ancestral.
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  Now before we dive in, I want you to imagine something for a moment.
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  Picture yourself at the end of this episode feeling clear, grounded, and a little more awake.
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  You've started noticing the words you use, the thoughts you allow in,
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  and how they shape the way you show up in the world.
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  Maybe you've realized that some of the stories you've been telling yourself aren't even yours.
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  They were programmed in.
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  By the end of this conversation, my hope is that you feel empowered to reclaim your mind,
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  to think, speak, and live in a way that's aligned with who you truly are.
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  Today, I am talking with Michael Bernoff, a master of human transformation, about how our modern world has rewired our minds and how to reprogram your brain to think, speak, and live more in tune with your ancestral design.
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  This isn't about motivation.
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  It's about remembering what it truly means to be human.
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  Michael, what a pleasure.
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  James, it's beyond a pleasure.
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  And I will tell you that is the greatest, most real, honest introduction that I've ever received in the history of doing any interview or any podcast ever.
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  So thank you for setting the frame right.
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  That was beyond special and beyond accurate.
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  But you also know what I was doing, which was I was practicing what you taught.
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  Yes, I saw that.
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  It was like Yoda and Obi-Wan.
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  It was like we were doing this thing.
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  You pick whichever one you want.
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  And you were using how to access the unconscious mind and language patterns that induce the ability to transform and make people better.
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  So let's just go right in.
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  You know, you often talk about change starts with awareness.
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  But how do we see that our modern environment has actually rewired our instincts?
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  Well, it's really interesting.
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  I would, I, one test that would tell everybody to do right off the bat is if you ever get a minute,
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  grab your phone and take a pic, look at your pictures of you from 10 years ago and take a
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  look at the pictures now and just ask yourself, did things seem a little bit different?
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  And did
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  you feel a little bit different back then?
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  And most people go, I never did that before,
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  especially even pre 2020, you'll look at your pictures and go, wow, that seems like a different
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  person.
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  And even though that it's your face, I will tell you our levels of anxiousness, our levels
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  of frustration.
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  And I'm just telling you, you will see 100% like, why is that guy look easy,
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  go lucky nine years ago in a picture on my phone, right?
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  He works for Samsung too, right?
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  Even my
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  phone or Samsung.
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  And you're going to realize that like we live in a world right now where
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  Everything's flying at us a thousand miles an hour.
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  We have access to things that we never thought we'd access before.
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  And the world is grabbing our attention in so many ways.
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  But deeper than that, it's the language of what's going on, the way we're being trained
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  to communicate with ourselves and others that is changing the way we emote and the way that
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  we do things.
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  So I can go, we could take this a lot of different ways.
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  I'm just challenging everyone to do that test.
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  Have you ever done that, James?
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  Have you looked at like a 2018 picture of you and go, God, man, it was different back
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  then?
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  I haven't done it with that lens, but I've definitely looked back at photos and said,
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  why did I, why was I so hard on myself then?
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  I look really healthy and clean, you know,
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  better than I felt.
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  So I have done that.
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  But honestly, you know, I, I was working with you
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  during that time and we were all very aware of not taking on the narrative of the world and not
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  letting it affect our personal narrative.
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  So you actually helped me not, you know, not shift as
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  much as I think the world was, to your point.
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  It's fascinating.
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  So I would say the biggest
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  thing that we're dealing with right now is, right now, as we're doing this podcast,
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  there is trillions of dollars being spent right now on doing three things that I do personally,
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  teach people how to do for themselves, that you don't realize are happening to you and with you,
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  is how do we get people's attention?
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  This is happening in Silicon Valley right now.
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  They are spending billions of dollars how to get our attention, just for little things,
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  to get you to buy toothpaste, to get you to buy gum, to get you...
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  This isn't some big
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  conspiracy.
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  We're going to get you fall off the earth.
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  I'm just saying it could be the littlest
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  thing in the world.
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  They want your attention and they know how to do it.
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  Lowering your resistance
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  to their messaging and then making you receptive to what you have.
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  And then you walk around saying
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  things, recoding words that used to be like, I love my wife.
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  I love my husband.
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  I love my dog.
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  I love my church.
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  I love my temple too.
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  I love Nestle quick.
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  Does that make sense to, and, and
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  They're working to hijack the chemicals in our brain to do this.
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  So unless you learn how to control a lot of that yourself, you're going to, that wasn't
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  in the caves back in the day.
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  You weren't worried about a marketing message.
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  So I'm just telling you, we have to learn how to market to ourselves as much as we're
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  getting marketed to.
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  It's such a great point.
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  You know, if you think about it ancestrally, our brains, they were designed for community
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  purpose survival, right?
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  So what is the cost then?
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  You know, where you're highlighting that there is a cost, but what is it?
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  in living in a world that's constantly overstimulating and isolating us.
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  You don't have to run from it.
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  You don't have to hide from it.
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  You don't have to like pretend it's
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  not there and not use a phone.
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  I'm not that guy.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  I'm not the guy that
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  says you can't go to a room that has a wifi going off.
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  I mean, if you choose to do that,
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  God bless you that that's, you have strengths that I I'm choosing not to have.
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  Right.
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  Yet, yet the cost is we've got to recognize what it is that we're doing.
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  And we have to have more,
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  more desire to understand what are our thoughts and what are their thoughts?
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  meaning like, is that something I'm actually thinking?
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  Is that something I'm actually feeling?
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  Is that mine?
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  Is that what I want?
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  And a lot of it comes down to this very, very simple phrase,
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  James, is for years I've said these words, and you may not have heard me say this.
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  It's been
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  the last couple of years I say this at a few events.
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  And I said, very, very simply, the way
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  that we talk to ourselves about ourselves is how we respond to ourselves.
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  And I'll repeat that
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  again.
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  The way that I talk to me about me is how I respond to me and the way that I see me and the
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  is the way I'm going to respond to me.
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  And the way I respond to me is how you're going to respond to
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  me.
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  So we are training people in our lives to validate whatever feelings we have that are real
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  or manufactured.
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  So if I'm going to talk to myself in a way that I'm anxious based on something that
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  happened here, I'm going to tell myself that I'll respond to me as an anxious person that I will
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  train you to remind me that I'm an anxious person.
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  Now my community is being used to validate
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  something created by whether it's tech or some random thought that I got from a neighbor.
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  So
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  the the connection of this is a lot to do with how we communicate with ourselves and
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  everything comes down to language and to words
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  amen um a very smart person was talking to me and made a connection to
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  the 1984 george orwell book in in that book you know orwell warns that when words lose meaning
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  people lose the ability to think clearly.
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  Are we seeing that play out today?
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  A little bit.
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  I actually, a lot of bit, I would say that words are being interchanged and we're
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  making up words.
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  We're doing things.
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  There is, it's just interesting where your belief systems
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  are.
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  Like, I will tell you that I was listening to this thing recently and put this, whatever,
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  wherever you want to put it in your brain.
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  They said like, I curse from time to time.
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  I'm from
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  New Jersey.
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  I curse.
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  I'm not against it.
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  A lot of my kids curse.
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  You can't say the C word in my
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  house.
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  You can't say complacent.
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  And I make that joke with that because I don't want anyone to be
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  complacent.
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  But I would say some of the biggest words people have, they say don't mean anything.
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  And I'm going to start with the doesn't mean anything is things like it doesn't matter.
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  Things like what's the big deal?
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  That has become socially acceptable.
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  Someone says,
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  what does it matter?
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  What's the big deal?
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  Well, it really does matter, actually.
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  And it is a big
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  deal.
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  Now, certain things, and especially if you say to someone like, well, you know, I'm having a
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  hard time at school.
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  Oh, don't worry about that.
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  Well, we do.
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  I got to worry.
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  We don't have to
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  worry about it, but what's the big deal.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  What's the point.
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  These slangs
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  that have gone into society have weakened us as people.
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  So we don't progress and grow.
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  So that's
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  one side, the words that are being perpetually pushed into society.
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  The other thing is where,
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  where meaning goes, the meaning of love and health and different things are getting extracted.
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  So
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  you could go to the health food aisle at most grocery stores.
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  It's the shit aisle.
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  Do you know
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  what I'm saying?
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  Especially in most places, like you would go to the natural health, like where
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  I'm from, natural meant natural soil, no GMO.
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  There wasn't even a GMO back in the day.
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  I'm from
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  New Jersey.
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  There was a farm in Pennsylvania.
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  And most people don't realize Jersey's the garden
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  state.
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  We have farms, right?
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  And we would go get beautiful fruit, beautiful vegetables that did not
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  look genetically modified, right?
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  And we'd get them and that was natural.
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  Now the word natural
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  has been hijacked and people like, well, what's the big deal?
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  It's natural.
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  Well, so is poison
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  ivy.
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  You know, it doesn't mean you're going to smoke it.
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  Right.
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  So, so the reason is words are
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  being hijacked and used.
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  Like, do you know, often people say, James, I love Netflix.
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  Last time I
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  checked that's for your wife.
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  I love, or your children.
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  It's not for some, a $9 episode in a
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  show, but they want you to say that.
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  So they get your 12 bucks a month.
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  I, you know, I, you, I
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  I remember when we had this conversation in one of the sessions a few years ago.
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  And since then, I've really been bringing that to the table of like, you know, we talk about I love to eat this, you know, and in a sense, how I would explain it was I would say, well, when we use that language that we would normally use for, like you said, our wife or someone we love, literally, that we're putting so much emphasis on that thing.
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  And then in a sense, that thing may have control over us.
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  Is that like when you say we should be conscious and aware of using the word love, what is it you mean by that?
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  Well, what I mean by that is make certain you really mean what you say and say what you mean and mean what you say.
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  So like I do a lot of language correction and I'm not annoying.
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  I'm very, I'm a stickler on language.
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  I mean, language is everything.
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  I mean, people like, oh, AI, AI, like, listen, I got something more powerful than AI.
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  It's called words, right?
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  There's not, AI is words, right?
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  So when you say to yourself something like this, James, like let's play a little game here real quick.
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  So let's just say for an example, has anyone ever told you something was hard to do?
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  Like give me an example.
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  Like in your world, you train, you coach, you help, you run a company, you do great things, you lead people, you parent people.
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  Who has told you something was hard?
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  Oh, well, you hear it all the time around diet.
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  you know like it's so hard not to drink that wine every night or it's so hard not to you know
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  great i love it i love it i love it like hard it's hard and you hear people say that right
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  and i'm taking that as an example it's hard to drink hard to not drink wine
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  what we do as people we will typically say to people you know what you're right
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  and then we reinforce that it's hard the word hard is designed to avoid i'm just going to tell
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  you it's not designed to make you want to do it we're not all david goggins right even david
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  Goggins doesn't want to do hard things.
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  What we have to learn as people, I learned this a long
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  time ago, the way language works, the difference between nouns and verbs is not a grammatical
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  thing.
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  It's where our mind goes.
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  So when somebody tells me it's hard to drink wine, I would hard to
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  not drink wine.
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  I would say, actually, it's not.
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  That'll piss them off for a minute.
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  I will take
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  them from a strong belief to angry because a strong belief to angry is a change in emotion.
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  And right in the middle, I'd say, actually, it's not.
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  It's harder than you'd like it to be.
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  so when you add the er in harder than you'd like it to be so you know i never thought of it that
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  way harder than i'd like it to be as solvable hard as impossible so i always am working to
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  change language and how i label things because i look at the mind as a a filing cabinet this stuff
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  is hard this stuff is harder than i'd like it to be which do you think you'd pick up in the morning
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  if like you were like super motivated to get thing done today would you look for something that's
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  harder than you'd like it to be or something that's super hard?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Something that's harder than you like it to be.
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  Yeah.
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  So we've got to label things.
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  And the only reason it's harder than I'd like it to be is I've
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  never made it a priority up till now.
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  Now I'm relabeling it.
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  I've never actually made it a
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  priority to quit drinking.
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  I never made it a priority to cut back on wine.
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  You know what?
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  You're right.
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  And what's amazing is it's not about being right.
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  It's about the reprioritization of
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  the words that we use.
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  And it's not complicated.
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  It's really taking a second and really caring
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  about our language and respecting our language because that changes our reality and i think of
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  it this way uh you ever seen that movie or even you know liam neeson and taken you know the movie
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  yeah he's got that one line he's like i've got a unique set of skills you know what i'm saying
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  when i find you i will kill you well let's just rearrange that script if you would have said hey
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  i know things that you don't know and if i find you it'll be bad i don't think it's the same guy
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  is it when you say it with that tone that way it is now scary and the other way is well whatever
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  putz right so most of us have to decide how do we want to be seen by ourselves so i went on a
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  tangent but back to you james i love it though but actually i love that you're bringing up a movie
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  because uh you've said before that the brain doesn't know the difference between what's real
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  and what's imagined that what we see hear and even think becomes our programming so in a world
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  saturated with violence, movies, social media outrage, fear-based news.
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  How do we protect our
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  minds from absorbing that energy without completely disconnecting from reality?
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  Yeah.
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  First thing is you don't have to watch that stuff.
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  That'll be up to you.
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  If you've got the
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  courage to do that.
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  I went for years, like when I got into direct sales at a young age, the first
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  thing they told us to do was like, turn off the TV, turn off the media.
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  Like there was nothing.
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  And maybe I watched the history channel back in the day.
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  And still somebody woke me up and told
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  me about September 11th.
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  So, so people are going to tell you, so if you've got the ability to like
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  avoid completely, um, you can, it's probably going to be a challenge.
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  And number one is we need to
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  walk into what we're going to do as we're going to do it.
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  So let's just say you're going to be
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  watching something you could flip on.
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  You know what I'm going to do right now?
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  I am going to
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  spend a few minutes, um, taking a watch at this and you can decide like how you're going to position
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  that to yourself.
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  But my, my take is I think it's the best way I would put this is if we were to put
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  this in a very, very simple category, and we were to put this in a, in a concept of like, I want to
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  be able to live in a world, still be able to watch this thing and not get bothered by it.
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  You have to
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  realize it's, it's all a game.
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  And the game is what are you going to allow into your mind?
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  And
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  what are you going to allow to be them and you?
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  And the interesting thing is that's one of the
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  things we need to recognize is the difference between you and them.
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  They are not the same
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  thing.
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  So as you hear the words, they are designed to get into your mind and have no separation.
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  Give me an example of a modality that you're talking about.
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  Are we talking about social media?
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  Are we talking about the media, the news?
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  Let's pick one so I can explain a little better.
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  Well, let's pick the movies because I remember that stood out a lot to me when you talked about that.
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  Just how literally you could be watching a horror movie or a suspense thriller and your brain doesn't know the difference that it's a movie.
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  and so you leave with having been impacted in the same way that the characters in the movie
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  potentially have been impacted right well let's get really real real um they really stopped making
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  movies let's just get clear they don't make movies anymore have you noticed james like there's no
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  like when's the last time you've been to the movie theater oh yeah i mean no i i go i go probably
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  like probably two months ago or something like that but i but i think i know where you're going
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  like that it's it's not really story based anymore it's just it's it's just action this action that
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  Well, no, what I'm saying is they really just stopped making movies.
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  There are a lot of shows now.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  And the reason they use shows and not movies is shows have a bigger impact and you can get monthly bills on it.
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  So they've learned how the psychological connection between a movie, which is three hours, then you go about your life and then it disappears, and a show are very different.
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  So years ago, before I go to bed, and one thing I'm just going to recommend to all of you is before you go to bed, I'm going to recommend everybody put this thing in airplane mode before you go to sleep.
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  if you've got children or grandparents or people you need to take care of, put it far away from
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  you and leave it on.
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  But I put everything in airplane mode before I go to bed.
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  That's one
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  thing I was going to say.
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  And I put it away from me.
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  I'm just going to tell you at a minimum,
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  do that or turn it off.
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  That would just say that's one thing.
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  The other thing I was going to say is
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  I woke up in the middle of the night.
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  I was watching, this was probably 2008 or nine when
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  Sons of Anarchy was so big.
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  And I loved that show.
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  It was after Sopranos ended and I really
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  loved Sons of Anarchy.
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  And when I used to watch Sopranos, which I love, it reminds me of growing
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  up in New Jersey.
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  It was a great show.
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  It's a great business show because you learn about life
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  and there was connection and character development and all that stuff.
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  It used to be on once a week.
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  So once a week I would watch the show.
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  I would take on the feeling.
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  It would come and go.
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  These shows wound up being something that you could watch and you could binge on.
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  So then I
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  would, when Sons of Anarchy came on, which was a show about a violent biker gang, it was before I
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  knew what I knew now.
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  And I would turn it on and I watched two, three episodes before bed and I
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  would get not an hour.
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  I would get 90 minutes, two, three hours of this in my mind, way past the time
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  where my mind is needing to slow down and about to go into my sleep stage.
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  So I'm stealing some
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  of the powerful energy I have because anything you watch or listen before you go to bed lives
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  in your mind while you're sleeping.
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  This is very important to understand.
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  So I'm gonna say a lot
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  of things very, very quickly.
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  I want you to pay attention.
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  It's all based on neuroscience.
• 17:12
  So
• 17:13
  what happens is I would go to bed and I'd wake up in the middle of the night and I'm like, I would
• 17:18
  grabbed my phone again.
• 17:19
  And I want to know because there's characters in that show that are,
• 17:22
  that are strategically and psychologically designed to align with my current thinking patterns.
• 17:27
  There's somebody in every show from back in Winnie the Pooh.
• 17:29
  There's the depressed person.
• 17:30
  There's the happy person.
• 17:31
  There's the violent person.
• 17:32
  There's a sexy person.
• 17:33
  There's the cool
• 17:33
  kid.
• 17:33
  There's the geek.
• 17:35
  All of these were designed to connect with your identity.
• 17:37
  So you go, man,
• 17:38
  I like that character.
• 17:39
  I like that character.
• 17:40
  So I found myself waking up in the night
• 17:43
  concerned, like what's happening with Bill?
• 17:45
  What's happening with Jax on the show?
• 17:46
  What's
• 17:47
  happening with this person and I got to turn it back on because I need to know they pulled it in
• 17:51
  and I started to have this like film like what was the difference between their reality and mine
• 17:56
  that's how they suck us in to pay attention so a really big psychological desire is do you want to
• 18:03
  have a life that they're designing for you at your expense of twelve dollars a month and all of your
• 18:08
  sanity or would you like to live out your own movie of what you want to do and I know we're
• 18:12
  smart enough to go yeah it's what I want to do so we've got another cost and it doesn't mean you've
• 18:16
  got to give up your life but you have to realize that there is a psyop going on at all given times
• 18:21
  these shows are designed to have character development certain music certain things i mean
• 18:27
  listen james you and i are from the same generation i think i'm a little bit older
• 18:31
  but uh but in the 80s all of those horror movies there was a sex scene always before the murder
• 18:38
  because if i can get you to go like that like like high school like we're young watching the
• 18:44
  Friday the 13th and then there's like they're about to make love right and then the killer comes
• 18:49
  look at the shock how much more shocked are you when you were just in romance mode so it's like
• 18:54
  do to do it's a formula to scare the hell out of you so they know what they're doing and what it
• 18:59
  does it takes us out of our own game I feel like we're seeing this play out with the easily easy
• 19:07
  access to porn with the younger you know boys right the oxytocin that comes from and the girls
• 19:12
  now.
• 19:13
  Right.
• 19:15
  It's a bit scary to me.
• 19:16
  I mean, you have two girls.
• 19:19
  How are you preparing them for
• 19:21
  this world?
• 19:23
  This very different world from what you and I grew up with, or at least it seems like
• 19:27
  it's different.
• 19:28
  It's similar and different.
• 19:29
  Instead of finding grandpa's VHS tape or dad's
• 19:33
  VHS tape and being able to watch it when you want, the difference is once in a while and all the time.
• 19:38
  And that's a big issue.
• 19:40
  Like when we were kids, I remember going to Chili's and I would go like, that would be
• 19:44
  a big night out.
• 19:44
  I mean, that was a, that was a night out.
• 19:46
  Curly fries, baby.
• 19:47
  Curly fries.
• 19:47
  And then we'd get a little ice cream.
• 19:49
  That was every once in a while.
• 19:49
  Now it's like DoorDash something.
• 19:51
  I would never eat that shit, but you know what I'm saying?
• 19:53
  It was like DoorDash all the time.
• 19:55
  You can get it.
• 19:56
  So preparing for the world, Tara's 24 and Maya's 13.
• 20:01
  Maya doesn't have a phone.
• 20:03
  Um, what's funny is she actually doesn't, doesn't want one.
• 20:05
  I don't know if we've scared her, but, but she, she doesn't want one.
• 20:09
  We were even considering getting one.
• 20:11
  Do you know what I'm saying?
• 20:12
  Cause she's going to be in high school next year and she doesn't have one.
• 20:16
  And she sees the way the kids are like mindless walking around and it doesn't make it easy
• 20:20
  to like the friendly thing.
• 20:22
  It's not as easy to connect because they do connect and talk about it.
• 20:25
  She knows enough.
• 20:26
  She's got an iPad and a watch and all that stuff, but she doesn't really want one.
• 20:29
  So we do our best to explain, like, that's not how our decisions are made.
• 20:35
  like watching that stuff just because kim kardashian has that or just because that
• 20:39
  uh they said it's a good idea really having your own thoughts we've done our best with them i mean
• 20:46
  tears past that phase she grew up in the height of it and she would tell you point blank it's
• 20:50
  dangerous you know what i'm saying she grew up in the height of it especially being a girl
• 20:54
  so there's the adult explicit stuff and then there is somewhat as dangerous is people thinking for
• 21:02
  you when you thinking their life is better.
• 21:04
  And very few people really understand like what goes
• 21:07
  on afterwards.
• 21:07
  Like you can't smell what's, what's in there.
• 21:10
  You can't see anything other than the
• 21:12
  frame that they're showing you.
• 21:14
  So really educating our kids, the difference between reality and thus,
• 21:18
  and, but we've got one rule in our house.
• 21:19
  Like you, you do a sport and I am telling you, if you're,
• 21:22
  you doing a sport, you are secreting dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, and oxytocin every
• 21:27
  single day even in a solo sport like maya does of figure skating she's using all four of those at
• 21:32
  any given day so instead of giving those four chemicals to your screen we do that so you do
• 21:37
  a sport in our house and the best we can do i don't think we should hide our children from it
• 21:43
  i just definitely need it needs to be a conversation because the greatest trick the
• 21:48
  devil ever pulled is convincing the world that he doesn't exist and i'm not saying the phone is the
• 21:52
  devil, but it is an access point for that type of thinking.
• 21:57
  Yeah, that's a really good point.
• 21:59
  Do you think mental pollution has the same effect as physical toxins like, you know,
• 22:04
  microplastic or processed foods just on a psychological level?
• 22:09
  I would say worse.
• 22:10
  And
• 22:10
  the reason worse is you don't see it coming.
• 22:12
  You don't know.
• 22:12
  It's like two alcoholics living in a
• 22:13
  house.
• 22:14
  If mom's an alcoholic and dad is, child doesn't realize the difference and neither of
• 22:17
  think anyone's drunk because they're all drinking together.
• 22:20
  So I think the slow erosion of our
• 22:24
  psychology through the social pollution and the thinking, and then it doesn't matter.
• 22:29
  I mean,
• 22:30
  I'll prove it to you.
• 22:31
  Just go to a soup kitchen, go to a soup kitchen for three hours, go or some
• 22:36
  really well-organized help other people with no phone and leave it in your car.
• 22:41
  And you just tell
• 22:41
  me how you feel.
• 22:42
  Go for a bike ride for an hour.
• 22:44
  I don't mean, no, no, I don't mean a workout.
• 22:46
  I
• 22:46
  mean not a 10 speed i'm talking a beach cruiser cruiser yeah go get on that thing and go through
• 22:52
  on a nice day without a bunch of honking horns go out and do it go in your backyard like my and i
• 22:58
  the other day we went in the backyard and we just signed the hot tub for a little bit it's nice out
• 23:02
  in arizona here and then we colored in the backyard and and it sounds weird like a kid
• 23:07
  like the freeness of it is absolutely amazing so i challenge anyone to know why do you enjoy that
• 23:14
  stuff so much and then call it for what it is.
• 23:17
  I mean, I would say if I'm teaching somebody,
• 23:20
  if they're going to go to happy hour tonight, I would say the best thing you should say to
• 23:23
  yourself is it's not a negative.
• 23:24
  You know what I'm going to do?
• 23:25
  I'm going to put some stuff in
• 23:25
  my body that it really isn't good for me.
• 23:27
  I'm going to feel worse tomorrow, but I'm choosing
• 23:30
  to do this.
• 23:30
  And you're better off saying that you'll probably eat less and drink less.
• 23:32
  If you
• 23:33
  say it versus, Oh my God, I love this.
• 23:35
  Same as picking up one of these.
• 23:36
  You know what I'm going
• 23:36
  to do?
• 23:36
  I'm going to waste about three hours of my life right now.
• 23:38
  And I'm going to watch the show.
• 23:40
  Just say it.
• 23:41
  Just freaking say it to yourself.
• 23:42
  You'd be amazed how you don't enjoy the show as
• 23:44
  much.
• 23:45
  It's interesting because you're almost saying like by reclaiming language that helps
• 23:49
  us reclaim our humanity.
• 23:51
  Our language is shaped by our humanity.
• 23:53
  I mean, if you go back again,
• 23:54
  I've studied a lot of religious texts.
• 23:56
  And again, I don't want to get into that part.
• 23:57
  Actually,
• 23:58
  I don't care about getting into it.
• 23:58
  I'll get into it.
• 23:59
  I don't care if you study Buddha, Allah,
• 24:01
  Jesus, Hashem, whatever it is, I will tell you point blank, the word is the way.
• 24:05
  And the word
• 24:06
  is everything is the word.
• 24:07
  Because the first thing we had as human beings that brought connection
• 24:11
  that really brought humans is the word.
• 24:12
  And there's never been any act in this world
• 24:15
  that has never been produced without a word.
• 24:17
  If you want to go shoot somebody,
• 24:18
  you have to say certain things to yourself
• 24:20
  or even tell yourself you'll pick up that gun.
• 24:21
  If you want to make a baby,
• 24:22
  it's either going to be,
• 24:23
  hey, you want to, or tequila.
• 24:25
  I mean, it's going to be,
• 24:26
  words are going to happen.
• 24:28
  So words are the predecessor to everything.
• 24:30
  And very few people would actually look at words.
• 24:32
  When we clean up our words,
• 24:34
  that's when we become superhumans.
• 24:35
  That's when we become powerful
• 24:37
  because what most people don't realize about Navy SEALs,
• 24:39
  they're a master of their language.
• 24:41
  If you watch them negotiate, what was that movie years ago?
• 24:44
  I think it was Tom Hanks where there's the oil freighter they stole.
• 24:49
  Do you remember this?
• 24:50
  And
• 24:50
  he was a captain.
• 24:51
  Did you see this one?
• 24:52
  And the Navy SEALs had to come out and they were so precise.
• 24:55
  They were like, hey, terrorist, this is the Navy SEALs of the US Department of this.
• 25:00
  You will stand
• 25:01
  exactly where you are.
• 25:02
  You will not move one inch.
• 25:04
  And they use their language so precisely.
• 25:06
  It was
• 25:07
  scary language.
• 25:08
  Okay.
• 25:09
  So when you learn a really good police officer is really great at language.
• 25:12
  That's how they get you out of the car.
• 25:14
  They get a DUI out of you and they just talk.
• 25:16
  I wonder why
• 25:17
  I was taking the breathalyzer, man.
• 25:18
  They're good at language, right?
• 25:20
  So, so as a marketing company
• 25:22
  and so is a powerful person.
• 25:24
  And so is unfortunately a really bad, bad man or bad woman is really good
• 25:28
  with language to lower your resistance.
• 25:30
  So we need to increase our resistance and lower it to other
• 25:34
  things.
• 25:34
  So our ancestors, they learn by watching and doing not by scrolling and consuming to your
• 25:40
  point of what we've been talking about today.
• 25:42
  So how, how do we recreate that kind of learning
• 25:45
  and community today?
• 25:46
  You, you mentioned, you know, putting the phone down, leaving in your car,
• 25:49
  going to a soup kitchen, but are there, are there ways that maybe the listener or someone watching
• 25:53
  this video can just immediately apply right after this?
• 25:58
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  So I, one of the things that, again,
• 25:59
  I've studied a lot of texts and I've learned a few things like any group of people that has
• 26:04
  very, um, this is very simple, very, very powerful.
• 26:07
  Like just go to your homework on this.
• 26:09
  Any group that has any restriction at all, meaning the dietary restriction or, um, or some sort of
• 26:17
  like emotional restriction from basic human desires are typically the most successful financial and
• 26:25
  socially in the world.
• 26:27
  Just go look at the groups of people that restrict certain diet things.
• 26:30
  and you look at that class of people, how well they do financially, and you will be amazed the
• 26:34
  direct connection.
• 26:36
  You'll also realize how much they, how connected they are to family.
• 26:39
  I'm not
• 26:39
  saying they're perfect.
• 26:40
  I just want to tell you.
• 26:41
  So one of the things we say in our household is
• 26:43
  other people don't do that, but this is something that we do.
• 26:46
  And the reason is you should have one
• 26:48
  thing.
• 26:48
  Like in our house, we eat greens and vegetables.
• 26:50
  And then some people don't do that.
• 26:51
  We eat greens and vegetables.
• 26:52
  It is important to us at each meal.
• 26:53
  You can eat what you want.
• 26:54
  We do
• 26:54
  that.
• 26:55
  This is one of the things we do in our house, in our house, we exercise.
• 26:58
  So we have to
• 26:59
  make declarations of things that we do in our house.
• 27:03
  Social media is not a dominant force and
• 27:05
  we've got to make a declaration.
• 27:06
  It's something we might do, but it's not a force in our house.
• 27:09
  We do not watch the media.
• 27:11
  We create an us versus them type scenario.
• 27:14
  It's not a battle in our house.
• 27:17
  We do not allow, um, we do not allow the news.
• 27:19
  It's just something we don't do.
• 27:20
  Do you know what
• 27:21
  I'm saying?
• 27:22
  And when people make those declarations, I mean, this has been going on since the beginning
• 27:25
  of time, whether it's restricting certain meats or restricting alcohol.
• 27:28
  I mean, look at, look at
• 27:29
  even just a group like i mean the amish they're very good business people i don't know if you
• 27:32
  know that they have a lot of restrictions they do they're very like people can tease them i bought
• 27:36
  my dog before christmas for maya and from a nice man from from lancaster pennsylvania i thought i
• 27:42
  felt bad for him and then he called me a couple weeks later because don't tell the elders that
• 27:46
  i'm calling but i bought a nine hundred thousand dollar piece of machinery you seem like a smart
• 27:50
  businessman michael will you help me and i'm like dude these guys are good do you know what i'm
• 27:53
  saying but they have restrictions and things so i believe we don't have to restrict everything but
• 27:59
  we do need to decide what our limitations are, what we're going to allow.
• 28:02
  Because in the old days, you couldn't like, how often, James, when we were kids, could
• 28:07
  you watch The Wizard of Oz when we were little, when we were eight?
• 28:11
  Really never.
• 28:12
  I mean, when was it on?
• 28:15
  Like TNT or whatever would have that run sometimes, right?
• 28:18
  During the holiday.
• 28:19
  It was on once a year.
• 28:20
  Yeah, once a year.
• 28:21
  There was no TNT.
• 28:21
  When you were eight years old, there was no TNT, was there?
• 28:23
  That's true.
• 28:24
  It was, yeah, it was the other one, right?
• 28:27
  yes, when we were younger, but then at one point it was that, I'm forgetting the name of it,
• 28:31
  the Turner Network.
• 28:32
  Yeah, it was Turner Network, but I'm saying that wasn't until like we were
• 28:34
  like teenagers, right?
• 28:35
  Yeah, you're right.
• 28:36
  You're right.
• 28:36
  So you couldn't, you couldn't really watch
• 28:38
  that once a year.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:39
  So there was already built in limitations based on limitation because
• 28:43
  everything comes out now, we need to choose what we're going to allow.
• 28:47
  So the thing is you can
• 28:48
  watch it, but you've got to accept your choices that you're making.
• 28:51
  So I don't know if I'm giving
• 28:52
  exact answers, but I am telling you from a language standpoint, we need to decide what level
• 28:58
  of limitation we're going to put on the things we do, because who are you going to let have your
• 29:01
  power?
• 29:02
  And our drug chemistry set is for sale every day of the week to again, Silicon Valley and
• 29:08
  Madison Avenue every single day of the week, they're looking for it.
• 29:11
  So in a cave, you had
• 29:13
  to create your own, you had to create your own excitement.
• 29:17
  You had to create your own joy.
• 29:18
  And
• 29:18
  part of it is tapping to remind.
• 29:20
  And one of the addictions that I've learned is before I go to
• 29:22
  bed, I use a book and a yellow light.
• 29:27
  And the reason I use a yellow, I was with Cameron Harold
• 29:29
  the other day.
• 29:30
  Do you know Cameron?
• 29:31
  No.
• 29:31
  Cameron, he was a super sharp guy.
• 29:33
  We're at his dinner
• 29:34
  for his birthday.
• 29:34
  He just turned 60.
• 29:36
  And I go, dude, he goes, I can't get off my Kindle at night.
• 29:38
  I said, you need to.
• 29:39
  I said, get a physical book, which is like tactile.
• 29:41
  This is like one of my
• 29:42
  favorite books as a man think of.
• 29:44
  And I will read a book like this with a yellow book light at night
• 29:49
  physically touching, I'll fall asleep in 15 minutes.
• 29:51
  I break this thing out, I'll be up for
• 29:53
  three hours.
• 29:54
  So whatever you read or listen to before you go to bed will live in your mind while
• 29:58
  you're sleeping and it'll become part of your reality.
• 30:01
  I love that you brought up boundaries
• 30:02
  though, because I, I, I identify that that's a lot of why kids sometimes are ruling the household.
• 30:10
  You know, that, that we are, we are technically coming from a generation where, and maybe it's
• 30:16
  people that are a little younger than us, I don't know, but, but we're coming from generations where
• 30:20
  there was such trauma that a lot of these young parents just, they, they, it's almost like they
• 30:26
  can't even make the decision to just make a decision.
• 30:30
  Right.
• 30:31
  And, and so you're seeing these,
• 30:32
  these kids that are running the household, they're always on their phones and all that stuff.
• 30:37
  So
• 30:38
  is there, I know you, you know, trauma is something you actually inadvertently help
• 30:43
  people with at your conferences.
• 30:44
  So is there, can we kind of touch on that of like, how can the
• 30:48
  person at home who maybe doesn't even know what their trauma is, but just notices that they're
• 30:52
  struggling to make these boundaries and they're for themselves and within their home, like how can
• 30:58
  you support them in overcoming that?
• 31:00
  Well, the first thing I would say is if you're a parent
• 31:02
  out there and you're listening to this, I mean, one of the things we said as kids, we don't realize
• 31:05
  how detrimental this language is.
• 31:06
  We'd say, well, I'm a parent.
• 31:07
  I'm going to be different.
• 31:09
  There's a reason our parents did the things they did.
• 31:11
  I'm not, and listen,
• 31:12
  and I am posting so much content on my Instagram right now.
• 31:15
  We got like 7.5 million views on one video recently
• 31:18
  that's up there twice on parent and a child relationship.
• 31:22
  And I'm getting comments like therapy from parents.
• 31:25
  Like they're asking me questions and it's fascinating.
• 31:27
  So check this stuff out when you get admitted.
• 31:30
  I would definitely tell you, find me.
• 31:32
  The reason I'm bringing this up is
• 31:36
  as parents, we make declarations when we're younger and we say, I'm going to be different
• 31:41
  when I get older.
• 31:42
  So when I say something like, maybe your parents didn't mean it.
• 31:47
  I'm not talking
• 31:48
  about if you had an abusive, emotional, psychological, sexually assaulted childhood.
• 31:53
  If that occurred, that is for you.
• 31:54
  I feel awful.
• 31:55
  I'm sorry.
• 31:56
  We'll work on that.
• 31:58
  We can figure that
• 31:58
  out.
• 31:58
  I'm just talking about the rules, the regulations, the things that we did, and also
• 32:02
  of the freedoms that our parents gave us.
• 32:04
  So two things are happening right now as parents.
• 32:06
  Number
• 32:06
  one is we're giving no freedom and we're giving too much freedom and it's in the wrong place.
• 32:11
  What I mean by that is I'm a Gen Xer.
• 32:13
  I came home and my parents trusted me.
• 32:15
  Very strict rules.
• 32:18
  I
• 32:19
  could do whatever I wanted.
• 32:20
  I could manipulate and lie and do everything in between my hours
• 32:23
  that they didn't know that I was doing as long as I was home by a certain time.
• 32:25
  They trusted me and
• 32:26
  I created my own rules and boundaries and I was able to learn for myself.
• 32:29
  Most parents have stripped
• 32:31
  their children from the ability to make decisions because we don't want them to screw up because we
• 32:35
  know what we did.
• 32:36
  We know we were out drinking.
• 32:37
  We know we were out partying.
• 32:38
  We know we were
• 32:39
  kissing someone underage.
• 32:40
  We were doing like, I got 12 or 13.
• 32:41
  Like we were doing shit we shouldn't
• 32:43
  have done.
• 32:43
  So we're worried our kids are going to do that.
• 32:45
  So that's one.
• 32:45
  So we build wrong
• 32:47
  boundaries and we don't give them any freedom.
• 32:49
  Okay.
• 32:49
  Any freedom.
• 32:49
  I'm telling you, I've done it.
• 32:51
  It's not good.
• 32:52
  The other thing is we don't want to be our parents.
• 32:55
  So we're like, oh, you know,
• 32:56
  we could do ice cream every day.
• 32:57
  What's the big deal?
• 32:58
  Blah, blah, blah.
• 32:59
  Well, that made sense
• 32:59
  back then because everything wasn't available at every given moment.
• 33:02
  And our parents would say no
• 33:03
  to the ice cream truck every once in a while, but it only came around once a month, right?
• 33:06
  Nowadays, what happens is the ice cream truck is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
• 33:11
  So we're able to say yes to everything all the time.
• 33:13
  So we've got to realize their childhood
• 33:15
  and ours are very different.
• 33:17
  That's very important.
• 33:18
  So when you talk about the trauma aspect,
• 33:20
  which area of trauma are you talking about?
• 33:22
  So I really want to be clear what I just said a second
• 33:24
  ago.
• 33:25
  We have to add more freedoms and we have to take some freedoms away.
• 33:28
  And I'm telling you,
• 33:29
  We got to be strategic how we do that.
• 33:30
  We have to let them think and to be able to solve things for themselves.
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  But we also have to explain to them, no, and this is how the world works.
• 33:36
  Like letting children have any, oh, you know, whatever food you want.
• 33:39
  When I was a kid, you got whatever the hell was in the table.
• 33:40
  So I'm like, oh, what would you want for dinner?
• 33:42
  Dude, that's not good.
• 33:44
  You can't.
• 33:45
  I've done that.
• 33:45
  I've screwed up everything.
• 33:46
  I'm telling you.
• 33:47
  Learn from me.
• 33:48
  If you're a young parent, your kid's under five years old, don't freaking ask them that.
• 33:51
  They get what they get and that's it.
• 33:52
  And if they don't like it, they still get what they get.
• 33:54
  And every once in a while, let them pick so they can learn that they can create that life.
• 33:58
  And James, you've screwed that one up too, right?
• 33:59
  Of course.
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  Well, and also I noticed when my kids were younger, I would ask a question at the end.
• 34:06
  I'd say, is that, oh, you know, what's an example?
• 34:10
  Like, I'd be like, I need you to clean your room.
• 34:12
  Okay.
• 34:14
  Right.
• 34:15
  It was like almost like looking for their approval or something instead of saying, no,
• 34:19
  we're not going to do this until this is done.
• 34:21
  That's your own trauma, buddy.
• 34:23
  That's your own.
• 34:24
  God, I hate being told what to do.
• 34:26
  So because you get in hate, especially entrepreneurial parents, which by a lot of your list is, a lot of people watching this, you don't want to be told what to do.
• 34:33
  So you don't want your kid to feel like they're being told what to do.
• 34:34
  You got to tell your kid what to do.
• 34:36
  Do you know what I'm saying?
• 34:36
  So listen, you're going to clean your room, and afterwards, we're going to be able to do blank.
• 34:40
  Thank you, and that's it.
• 34:42
  So this goes to, I'll get to the trauma in a second.
• 34:45
  I want to put a thought out there.
• 34:46
  I do want to teach everyone how to build empowered children, and I have a couple things that I want to share with that that are very, very important.
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  And this may be a good cut in to promote this episode.
• 34:55
  I'm going to tell you having empowered people in our lives is so simple to do.
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  And I'm going to encourage everybody to understand what I'm going to show.
• 35:03
  Let's do the trauma thing first.
• 35:04
  And then I want to tell you how to build very, very empowered people.
• 35:07
  So talk to me about what you mean by trauma.
• 35:10
  I know the word trauma, but what you mean by our traumas, because immediately when someone
• 35:13
  hears it, they're like, oh, rape, abuse, uh, being left on the side of a subway and trauma
• 35:18
  could be as simple as neglect or manufactured trauma by us thinking our parents didn't love
• 35:23
  us and they were just busy.
• 35:24
  I think it's the latter that I'm thinking of.
• 35:26
  I mean, of course, it's all happening to different people,
• 35:29
  but I see the latter more play out where it's like my parents didn't see me.
• 35:34
  I didn't feel heard.
• 35:37
  So now I'm almost hyper aware,
• 35:39
  making sure that I'm acknowledging every emotion that my child has,
• 35:43
  and thus now they think that they matter more than the world,
• 35:47
  than what's going on in the world.
• 35:49
  It's the first thing we can do as hard as it is to do.
• 35:51
  We need to free our parents and free ourselves
• 35:52
  and basically be able to say they were doing the best they had with what they had.
• 35:55
  And yes, they could have possibly done better, but it already happened.
• 35:58
  That's the first thing we all need to do as people.
• 35:59
  And that is maybe not easy, but it's going to be necessary.
• 36:02
  And the faster you can say what I just said, the better it's going to be.
• 36:05
  And you can look at them and go, they didn't get a manual.
• 36:07
  They were working hard.
• 36:08
  They had their own crap to deal with that you will never know.
• 36:10
  And they're probably never going to tell you that they shielded you from.
• 36:13
  And again, I'm not talking about the worst cases.
• 36:15
  I'm talking about the ones that are Gen X trauma where like, you know,
• 36:18
  mommy and daddy were a little bit mean or something,
• 36:20
  or didn't let us have a car or a puppy or whatever it is.
• 36:23
  The second thing about it is
• 36:28
  we as parents have to realize our role.
• 36:30
  Our role is not to be friends with these humans.
• 36:33
  Our goal is to build incredibly empowered human beings
• 36:35
  to have a great quality of life.
• 36:36
  So if our goal is to be liked,
• 36:40
  you're going to be miserable for your entire life
• 36:41
  with every human being.
• 36:42
  And it comes to relationships.
• 36:44
  I just want to tell everyone,
• 36:45
  if you need to be liked,
• 36:46
  you just fell into Mark Zuckerberg's plan.
• 36:49
  You are weak.
• 36:50
  and you will have a pathetic life.
• 36:51
  And I'm just going to be very, very direct when I say this.
• 36:54
  And the reason they got rid of the dislike button on most of these channels is because you couldn't
• 36:58
  handle it.
• 36:59
  And I've learned that I don't need to be liked.
• 37:03
  I like to be likable.
• 37:04
  If I'm likable,
• 37:06
  you may or may not like me.
• 37:07
  That'll be your choice whether you like me or not.
• 37:09
  So our goal is to really not care what people think.
• 37:12
  If you see an 85-year-old grandma that'll
• 37:14
  pass gas and not care, well, I just did that, whatever.
• 37:17
  It's just what she was.
• 37:18
  Does that make
• 37:18
  sense.
• 37:19
  She'll say whatever she needs to get said.
• 37:20
  She'll say it in a way that may be appropriate or
• 37:22
  not.
• 37:22
  I've had a grandma say this to me, Oh, you know, forgive me.
• 37:24
  It just came out.
• 37:25
  And she's
• 37:25
  like, doesn't mean to make an inappropriate joke, but the point is they'll do this because they
• 37:30
  finally got to a point where they don't care at all.
• 37:33
  And if you care so much that you don't care,
• 37:35
  you have freedom.
• 37:35
  I'm not saying being rude to people.
• 37:37
  I'm not saying be, be obnoxious.
• 37:39
  You need
• 37:39
  to be kind and as loving as possible to people, but how we are controlled as a society is through
• 37:45
  what I'm going to share in a bit about the empowerment is this desire to be liked and the
• 37:49
  desire to fit in.
• 37:51
  And that is what the culture is created.
• 37:53
  So if you need to be liked or you need to
• 37:54
  be fit in, you are easily to be controlled.
• 37:57
  And the people that cannot be controlled by media,
• 38:00
  people, friend groups, and everything is you just don't need to be liked.
• 38:04
  Maya is a very high
• 38:05
  performance figure skater, one of the, one of the best in the country.
• 38:08
  And, and you don't make
• 38:10
  friends by being good.
• 38:11
  I'm just going to tell you, you don't make friends.
• 38:13
  You decide you're not
• 38:14
  going to be on social media.
• 38:16
  You decide you're going to get a 12 pack abs.
• 38:17
  You decide, I know
• 38:18
  this to you and your wife, you decide you're going to eat well.
• 38:21
  You decide you're going to get into
• 38:22
  NAD and you're going to take IV and do ozone and all that stuff.
• 38:26
  You don't get liked by the general
• 38:28
  public.
• 38:28
  You get blasted.
• 38:30
  Okay.
• 38:30
  So I'm just going to tell you being great.
• 38:33
  If you choose to do it,
• 38:34
  the punishment you will get is being liked doesn't go.
• 38:37
  They don't, they don't live in the same box.
• 38:38
  So I'm just going to tell you, we've got to prepare our children for that.
• 38:41
  So
• 38:42
  we need to not build a world of people that need to be liked because that is how we are being
• 38:46
  manipulated.
• 38:46
  And that is how blackmail is done because the men and women who don't care, you
• 38:51
  just think of the five or six most powerful people in the world.
• 38:53
  I'm not going to get into politics
• 38:54
  right now.
• 38:55
  They don't care what anybody thinks on both sides, on both sides, on any country,
• 39:01
  they don't care at all.
• 39:03
  And it's not that they're just a narcissist.
• 39:05
  They don't care.
• 39:06
  And what's funny is then you have power.
• 39:07
  And I'm going to tell you, we need to raise our
• 39:10
  children to care so much they don't care at all but love people and be kind i could teach the
• 39:17
  empowerment thing in a bit but that that was yeah no that that's you know you you have a unique
• 39:22
  perspective uh that i i love for you to impart to people that might be in this situation so you
• 39:29
  came into a marriage where where your wife already had a child yep how many people come into that
• 39:37
  And I think a lot of times they don't know how to connect, how to be, who, who, how to show up.
• 39:43
  So how did you show up?
• 39:45
  Well, first thing is don't do this.
• 39:46
  Don't take the little one to the store and give her a ginseng water with a bunch of stuff and give them a bunch of energy.
• 39:53
  Cause I messed up real bad.
• 39:54
  I give a little seven-year-old, I'm just joking around, but we joked about that the other day.
• 39:58
  Um, I was learning cause I was having fun.
• 40:00
  I forgot she was seven years old.
• 40:01
  You gave her a jolt or something?
• 40:02
  No, not a jolt.
• 40:03
  Like there was like this health food store, like add ginseng, add that.
• 40:06
  And I brought her back and never said, okay, you know, done to that again.
• 40:09
  I make that joke.
• 40:10
  Um, it's wonderful when it's wonderful, but it's gotta be set up correctly.
• 40:14
  So, uh, Tara is absolutely amazing.
• 40:16
  I, we're like buddies.
• 40:17
  It is super, super incredible.
• 40:20
  She's 24 works with a Nat was now as incredible, incredible boyfriend.
• 40:24
  They're like peas in a pod.
• 40:26
  They're, they're great together.
• 40:28
  They're going to be amazing.
• 40:29
  and so it isn't an easy thing but it's also not complicated it's how it's brought in so like
• 40:35
  deborah did everything really correctly at first i was hey michael's gonna come over to the lemonade
• 40:40
  stand he's gonna bring over his dog and it was like i was a guy that was a friend and they came
• 40:44
  over and we introduced we did everything correctly i didn't i didn't spend the night i didn't do any
• 40:47
  of that stuff you know i'm saying i literally i just didn't you know i'm saying and i we built
• 40:51
  it in and we built her into our lives like we never i never treated her any different than i
• 40:55
  what is my own child?
• 40:56
  I didn't know how to do that or not.
• 40:58
  Like, I just never, I just assumed that
• 41:00
  she's like, she's my child now, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to take care of her.
• 41:04
  And
• 41:05
  it's a very important thing is to get on the same page.
• 41:07
  So expectations minus reality will equal
• 41:10
  disappointment every single time.
• 41:11
  So Debra and I had expectations.
• 41:13
  Uh, she had an expectation of,
• 41:15
  um, if I'm going to bring you into my life, um, this is now we're going to help raise this child.
• 41:22
  Do you know what I'm saying?
• 41:23
  And that's what we, we did.
• 41:25
  So it turned out, it's turning out
• 41:27
  incredibly well.
• 41:28
  Like we are super close.
• 41:29
  And one of Debra's beliefs is she wanted to have a
• 41:31
  different relationship that she had with her mom.
• 41:32
  She wanted to be close.
• 41:33
  Our kids like hanging out
• 41:34
  with us.
• 41:35
  Like we're with each other all the time.
• 41:36
  Like we, we really enjoy each other and we decided
• 41:39
  to make that work.
• 41:40
  So I don't know if that answers your question and I'd like to go deeper on that
• 41:43
  if you need, but I wanted to teach her some of the things we knew.
• 41:47
  So I based this on, I wanted to
• 41:50
  help build a very strong kid.
• 41:52
  So I, I'll just dump into the thing that I was going to say earlier
• 41:56
  about empowerment and I'll just help with this right now is I wanted my kids to feel great about
• 42:01
  themselves.
• 42:02
  So a lot of parents walk around the world telling their kids, like they can be better.
• 42:07
  You can do better.
• 42:08
  And I believe in you and you're great.
• 42:09
  And we don't realize that we're messing
• 42:10
  our children up because anytime you tell somebody, not only they can do better, I know something you
• 42:16
  don't know.
• 42:16
  It's our form of dominating and feeling important.
• 42:19
  And so what I learned is a very simple
• 42:21
  phrase that I would say is, Hey, listen, if you ever want to get better at cheerleading, let me
• 42:26
  know.
• 42:26
  I might have a couple answers.
• 42:27
  And then I let them come to me.
• 42:29
  And the reason I do that is
• 42:30
  when you let them come to you and you can have the courage, mom and dad to like, to let them not come
• 42:35
  to you.
• 42:35
  Like if they don't come to you, they don't want it.
• 42:37
  Maybe throw it out there again.
• 42:38
  They're
• 42:38
  not you.
• 42:39
  They're them.
• 42:41
  But when you throw them, they come to you and they're like, yeah, you know,
• 42:42
  I really want to get better.
• 42:43
  Now they're coming from serotonin.
• 42:44
  They're excited.
• 42:46
  And I never tell
• 42:47
  my kids I'm proud of them.
• 42:49
  I tell them when they do something great, they should be proud of
• 42:51
  themselves.
• 42:52
  And the reason is I let them have all the power.
• 42:54
  So my, my, my kids walk around going,
• 42:57
  I'm really proud of my work.
• 42:58
  I'm proud.
• 42:58
  I let them keep the pride.
• 42:59
  I don't want to be proud of them
• 43:00
  because if I'm proud of them, they need me.
• 43:03
  I need to train them to leave and move on their own.
• 43:06
  If
• 43:06
  not, I'll be broke my whole life.
• 43:07
  Right?
• 43:07
  So I need them to go do their own thing.
• 43:09
  So my kids walk
• 43:10
  around saying they're proud of themselves.
• 43:11
  So when they say like, James, they'll be like, Hey,
• 43:14
  I just threw a double axel today.
• 43:16
  I don't say good job.
• 43:17
  I say, of course you did.
• 43:18
  That's what you do
• 43:20
  because I want the shit eating grin.
• 43:22
  You know, the quarterback grin that Tom Brady has.
• 43:24
  I know
• 43:24
  nothing about football, but all the women like the quarterback is a quarterback.
• 43:27
  You know,
• 43:27
  what's hot about the quarterback.
• 43:29
  Not just, you look good.
• 43:29
  And he threw the ball at the
• 43:31
  shit eating grin.
• 43:32
  I want my kid to have that grin.
• 43:34
  Like, yeah, of course I can do that.
• 43:35
  that grin comes from you saying when your kid does something,
• 43:39
  gets an A and a Tesco, of course you did.
• 43:41
  You deserve that.
• 43:42
  Not only do you study hard, be proud of yourself.
• 43:44
  You want to give all the praise,
• 43:46
  all the power that your kid did it and take no credit.
• 43:49
  And most of us want to take credit of our own insecurity.
• 43:53
  Just pure gold, Michael, pure gold.
• 43:56
  Like I hope every parent listening replays what you just said,
• 44:01
  because it really does make a difference.
• 44:03
  I learned so much of what you're saying through your courses and it, and it works and it's real
• 44:10
  and you see it play out in the kids and it's fricking amazing.
• 44:15
  It takes time.
• 44:15
  It's not going
• 44:16
  to happen overnight, but after the same way that social media gets in your little bump,
• 44:21
  you got a message, you got a message, just drop things off to you.
• 44:23
  Just say to your kids,
• 44:24
  if you ever want to get better basketball, let me know.
• 44:26
  I might have a couple ideas.
• 44:27
  Then shut up, mom and dad.
• 44:29
  If they come to you, go, you know what?
• 44:30
  I want to get better.
• 44:31
  Say,
• 44:31
  Hey, if you ever want to get better at throwing the ball, if you ever want to get better at
• 44:33
  tennis, you just let me know.
• 44:34
  I might have a couple ideas.
• 44:36
  And you put your hands up like you're in jujitsu because you don't want to fight.
• 44:39
  You don't, you don't like this.
• 44:39
  You're just like, I might have something.
• 44:41
  You back out of it and let them come to you.
• 44:43
  When they come to you on their own accord, they're coming to you from power.
• 44:47
  And you want your kids to feel freaking powerful.
• 44:50
  Now you're okay.
• 44:51
  So you have a bunch of programs, but there's one in particular called core.
• 44:56
  Yep.
• 44:56
  And you let, so it's, it's for adults all the way down to 13, right?
• 45:02
  13, 14.
• 45:04
  If they're 13 and three quarters and they're mature and they're not being babysat, it's
• 45:09
  really 14.
• 45:10
  But yes, yes, we are.
• 45:12
  So our daughter, our daughter, our youngest daughters are each similar or my oldest daughter,
• 45:16
  but your youngest daughter are similar ages.
• 45:18
  And, uh, we are so excited to bring her to court when she turns 14 in 2026.
• 45:25
  The ritual is missing in kids' lives and in adults as well.
• 45:30
  And I know that CORE is so much more than a ritual.
• 45:35
  There's so much that happens.
• 45:36
  I won't share any of it because it needs to be revealed in the moment.
• 45:39
  But can you talk about that so that parents of 14-year-olds and or themselves can come to this program?
• 45:46
  It's a life-changing program.
• 45:49
  Yeah.
• 45:50
  Everybody needs to do it.
• 45:51
  It is not a success program.
• 45:53
  It's really about understanding the limits that we create in our lives and the things we do through our language, how we talk about the things we do.
• 45:58
  And it's really about resetting our minds.
• 46:02
  And it's not weird at all.
• 46:04
  It's like it's the most human conversation ever.
• 46:06
  So I've been running the program since 2008.
• 46:09
  It's two and a half days.
• 46:10
  That's the logistics.
• 46:11
  It's in Scottsdale.
• 46:13
  You come see me.
• 46:13
  It's beautiful here.
• 46:14
  It's a great little benefit to come here.
• 46:17
  the interesting thing about the event is in 2022 i stood up and i said to everyone in the room
• 46:22
  there were 400 people there and i said um i want to make this for families because i truly believe
• 46:27
  we will change the world by the dinner table we'll change the world because when tara came the first
• 46:31
  time to core she was going through the typical 14 year old things bullying kids pressures all
• 46:37
  that stuff and i was already running the event i'm like you know what let's bring young adults
• 46:41
  in so they can hear about it number one is they can see the things we screwed up on so they don't
• 46:45
  but we can get a set set of language.
• 46:46
  So what happened was when it was over,
• 46:49
  Debra kicked me under the table because we were at dinner with her and her friends afterwards.
• 46:52
  She goes, we can actually have a conversation at dinner now because we're on the same page.
• 46:55
  So
• 46:56
  it builds a set of language amongst parents and children to understand our psychology of what
• 47:02
  makes us do the things that we do.
• 47:04
  It gets us at peace with the things that happened or happening
• 47:08
  and the things we want in our lives and how to talk about them in a way to make them real and
• 47:12
  make impossible.
• 47:13
  It also explains human nature, what makes us do the things that we do.
• 47:16
  Because
• 47:17
  whether it's something really bad that happened or something really good that happened, learning
• 47:20
  how to frame that correctly to ourselves and others and talk about it changes everything.
• 47:25
  And the biggest result that I've seen is because the young adults and the teens in the room,
• 47:30
  and it's great for, it's not a kid's course.
• 47:32
  It's a human course.
• 47:34
  Yeah.
• 47:34
  They're doing this with the adults in the room, but they are in their own little enclave,
• 47:38
  right?
• 47:38
  They're in there together.
• 47:39
  And what's so cool about it is they're learning as much as we
• 47:43
  are and we take their phones, don't tell them.
• 47:46
  And, um, and they don't need them back and they
• 47:48
  connect, they get together, they open up, they share, they care, and they'll talk about things
• 47:53
  that are absolutely amazing.
• 47:54
  So when you change the communication in the house, you create
• 47:57
  possibilities.
• 47:58
  When we change the communication around the dinner table, it stops being about
• 48:01
  either nothing or something.
• 48:02
  And one of the biggest wins people walk out of is like, I actually know
• 48:05
  what my kids want.
• 48:06
  I know what my mom wants and we've now talked about it.
• 48:10
  And now that we've
• 48:11
  talked about it, we're free to go get it versus keeping a lot of stuff inside.
• 48:15
  So it is such a
• 48:16
  simple program, but it comes in on a Thursday.
• 48:19
  By the time you leave on Sunday, you are more
• 48:21
  effective what's going on.
• 48:22
  So I don't think I've ever talked about that live on a podcast exactly
• 48:26
  before.
• 48:26
  It's more like, yeah, I got an event.
• 48:27
  You should go see it.
• 48:28
  Why it's in part important is
• 48:31
  it's what they did in the old times.
• 48:33
  It's, it's Aristotle.
• 48:35
  It's, it's the caveman it's ancestral,
• 48:37
  but it's also like, it's biblical.
• 48:39
  Like you, without, without the Bible, you know what I'm
• 48:41
  saying?
• 48:41
  You could bring your, I don't care what you study.
• 48:43
  You're going to be like, Oh my God,
• 48:44
  that reminds me of the Bible.
• 48:45
  Oh my God, that reminds me of the Torah.
• 48:46
  Oh my God, that reminds
• 48:47
  me of the Quran.
• 48:47
  You will say that when we're there, because it's human beings getting away
• 48:50
  from tech for two and a half days to figure out who they are and where they want to go in their
• 48:55
  life and getting really clear and removing all the clutter so they can go get it.
• 48:57
  And they come
• 48:58
  back to their life, the stronger, more powerful and better.
• 49:00
  And the byproduct is people will say
• 49:02
  to me, Michael, you didn't even talk about not drinking and thousands of people every year quit
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  drinking and their family does.
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  People will say to me, Michael, you didn't tell me about losing
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  weight at once.
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  And I literally came back and ate differently.
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  Michael, I met a lady while I was
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  there.
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  She literally showed me two things, nothing to do with you.
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  And now I'm on this product and I
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  feel healthier and better.
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  I had no idea about a mitochondria.
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  Do you know what I'm saying?
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  It is freaking awesome.
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  And I'm glad you're on board, James.
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  I'd love to get as many people in
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  their families as possible to share it.
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  And my guarantee is simple.
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  You will never be the same
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  again after you leave and what it is you feel in your heart will start living in reality.
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  And everything Michael just said about it is true.
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  I have done it.
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  I undersold it right there, didn't I?
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  Yeah, I've done it.
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  It really is phenomenal.
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  And why I'm pushing it to every 14 year old
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  and beyond, but every 14 year old is because I believe this will change the world.
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  If every
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  14 year old went to core, not only would they change, but as you said, the family would change.
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  And it, I wish it for everyone.
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  I really do.
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  I will continue to speak from the mountaintop about
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  it and encourage people to do it because I really do believe it is that important.
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  It's interesting you say this because I believe what the event does is if you don't let your
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  child decide who they are from their heart of who they really are versus from the internet,
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  someone else is going to decide for them yes and at that event a 65 year old man and a 14 year old
• 50:31
  girl will decide who they are from a deep place and i don't mean weird like i mean literally
• 50:39
  just decide like i've had people my child's introverted stop telling him that they will go
• 50:43
  to the event and they will stand in a freaking chair and they will have a ton of energy and
• 50:47
  they'll scream my parent will go how did you get him to do that why did you stop him from doing
• 50:51
  that don't ask yourself that but whatever you did up till now would you not communicate you
• 50:54
  will stop calling your kid an introvert you will stop saying your kid is add you will stop saying
• 50:58
  that and let your kid have half a chance so i believe it's a place where we can decide and
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  declare who the hell we are and and learn how to do it publicly and when you publicly this is
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  ancestral when we amongst people share what we want and who we are it becomes possible when we
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  keep it in ourselves like this shit never happens ah yes all right final question
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  if you could wave a magic wand bring back one ancestral practice what would it be
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  that's really really good um i like what i was saying a minute ago if we were go back to really
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  really long ancestors a long time ago i would i would bring back the retreat i would bring back
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  the going and being in nature and being away from away from stuff and really talking and being
• 51:50
  together so why the sabbath is there why the no technology why the the amish culture is that that
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  does this it works so i would say one of the things i'd bring back is dedicating a certain
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  amount of time and i know it's there because some of you are going to listen and go we already do
• 52:05
  that every Saturday or we do that every Sunday or family night.
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  I would say culturally as a society,
• 52:11
  having a time like we had when we were kids almost where at the end of the night, the TV turns off
• 52:15
  and there's nothing else on.
• 52:16
  I would love it if people would take the time to just go and retreat
• 52:22
  from the society, turn it all off and spend time together, getting to know each other and really
• 52:29
  being themselves and spending time with themselves, but with themselves together.
• 52:33
  And that's what I, my biggest desire is to bring to the world.
• 52:38
  Well, and as I said at the beginning of this, you work in magician ways, wizard ways, and you already are co-creating this.
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  And I've witnessed, I've experienced it.
• 52:50
  And you do.
• 52:52
  Beyond core.
• 52:53
  Like core is just a taste, everyone.
• 52:55
  Michael is much more than just core.
• 52:57
  He's got book.
• 52:58
  He's got a book, Average Sucks.
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  He's got a podcast.
• 53:01
  he's got so much going on so where can people go to find your universe michael burn off yeah
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  so here's what i would do um number one is at a minimum i'm just going to make this real simple
• 53:12
  is a minimum go on instagram or facebook and just watch some of the videos we have if you're going
• 53:16
  to be online anyways you might as well watch stuff that empowers you and the more you click
• 53:21
  on the right things i would ask you all to reset your algorithm which means you'll know what you're
• 53:25
  watching based on what youtube and instagram tell you to watch so go watch five seven of our videos
• 53:29
  connect with them and then it'll start giving you more videos like that and other things so number
• 53:33
  one reset your algorithm over the next two weeks which means you should two weeks from now only see
• 53:38
  in your search bar positive incredible stuff and it should be feeding you more of that so that's
• 53:42
  number one uh number two you can always get my book but like miyagi says you can't learn karate
• 53:47
  from a book i'd love you to come to core live whether you have a child or not um we have at
• 53:53
  this point there's some discount tickets you can a couple ways to do that you can go to michael
• 53:57
  burnoff.com forward slash core live that's great michael burnoff.com you can put in the show notes
• 54:02
  core live this is something i've thrown out there james for a while now i have i'd love to chat with
• 54:09
  you and our team would so we're a little different than other people we at we're human we like to
• 54:13
  talk to people and so if you're serious and you're like i want to take one of these classes and use a
• 54:18
  little bit of Intel, send, send the words, let's figure this out, ancestral or the word influence.
• 54:27
  You could pick either one.
• 54:28
  I'd say ancestral or the word influence to 480-800-8051.
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  Just send the
• 54:35
  word.
• 54:36
  You could start talking.
• 54:36
  It's a real phone number.
• 54:38
  It's a real text box.
• 54:40
  480-800-8051.
• 54:40
  And
• 54:42
  a human being from our company will say, Hey, what's going on?
• 54:45
  How'd you find us?
• 54:46
  Like, I love
• 54:46
  James, he's the best.
• 54:47
  And you should listen to all James's podcasts.
• 54:49
  He's, he's incredible.
• 54:50
  He's, he's an incredible human being in so many different ways.
• 54:52
  So 480-800-8051, send that word
• 54:56
  and, or just let us know how you met and we'll send you some texts back.
• 54:59
  If you're very serious,
• 55:00
  I'm not looking to talk to someone about their cat.
• 55:02
  Do you know what I'm saying?
• 55:03
  So if you're
• 55:04
  serious, talk to us and we can lead you in the right direction, help you out.
• 55:08
  So that's what
• 55:09
  I would do.
• 55:09
  And James, this was very special today.
• 55:13
  Um, really just seeing you and knowing
• 55:16
  what you've created and what you're doing for the world and, and how much your business is
• 55:20
  making a difference and how you run your life and your marriage and your family.
• 55:23
  It's very special
• 55:25
  to be here.
• 55:25
  You're, you're one of my favorite human beings on this planet.
• 55:28
  It's very mutual.
• 55:29
  And I, and I, I really do mean this.
• 55:32
  Your, you, your family, your programs, the community you
• 55:37
  create changed our lives.
• 55:41
  And it's doing exactly what you shared that you want in the world.
• 55:47
  You
• 55:47
  are doing it.
• 55:47
  You are co-creating it.
• 55:49
  When disaster happened in the world, you helped us through that
• 55:54
  by reminding us that we did not have to take on the narrative that everyone else was telling that
• 55:59
  we could still be in control and be present to our narrative.
• 56:04
  And I carry that with me to this day.
• 56:07
  Even during the LA fires, for example, I was very aware that I'm on the East Coast and it was cold outside and I was feeling emotionally pulled towards all those historical buildings burning down and all those friends of mine that were losing their homes.
• 56:23
  And I was trying to constantly remind myself of like, I don't, even though I love them and that is part of my past, I can still be present to what's outside my window and not, not be pulled into a drama that was maybe negatively affecting my let my sleep or things like that, that I could support those people in different ways, but not have it tax my own health.
• 56:44
  wow because you can love and care about somebody but you don't have to take it on yourself
• 56:49
  and that is a gift that all of us need to learn how to do i teach that at hit i know and core a
• 56:53
  little bit it's like just because it's happening doesn't mean you have to make it happen to you
• 56:58
  yep and you don't have to take on someone's depression just because they're depressed
• 57:02
  that's not how we connect with somebody um and they don't need you to be that way so yeah that's
• 57:07
  that's a big thing i remember because i believe i met i met uh margaret first yep yep and right
• 57:12
  around 2019, 2020, and we met right in the middle of, I don't call it the C word.
• 57:17
  I call it the year
• 57:18
  that showed up the way that we didn't want it to.
• 57:20
  And the group of us that went through the programs,
• 57:24
  the thousands of people over that course of two years, I would put data and I would put money on
• 57:31
  our stronger mentally and emotionally than 95% of the planet, because we learned how to make this
• 57:39
  mind give us the things we wanted in reality absolutely yes absolutely you're very cool so
• 57:47
  this is great i love being here i can't wait to watch the episode send me a send me a copy i want
• 57:51
  first dibs to watch hey put it on your site this is this is michael uh yeah hey thank you michael
• 57:57
  i really do appreciate your time i appreciate what you're doing in the world and i cannot wait to
• 58:03
  see the response to this episode uh please check out michael's work everyone i implore you it's
• 58:10
  It's phenomenal.
• 58:10
  It's life changing.
• 58:11
  And I give him credit.
• 58:13
  So much of what I share when I'm on stages, so much of who I am to this day was supported and influenced by Michael and his team.
• 58:23
  So thank you.
• 58:24
  Thank you.
• 58:25
  And if if you're watching this and you feel inclined, share it, talk about it, leave a comment.
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• 58:43
  So please leave a comment, share it with a friend, whatever you do, stomp on it, throw
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  yourselves on it, whatever you want to do, but just communicate what you're doing.
• 58:53
  Thank you so much.
• 58:55
  Stay curious, my friends.
• 58:56
  Michael, be well, and we'll see you next time.
• 58:59
  Absolutely.
• 59:00
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• 59:01
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