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- Lucas: So picture this — you're a sales rep, you've got a seven-figure quota, and you walk into a first meeting with a prospect and say, 'I'd like you to teach me how your department works.' Luna: That sounds risky — like you're admitting you don't know anything. Lucas: Exactly what I thought when I first heard this story. But it worked. A cybersecurity rep named Dana Alvarez used that exact approach to close a 1.4-million-dollar deal with a regional bank in mid-2025. Luna: Wait, a bank letting a security vendor admit ignorance? That feels counterintuitive. Lucas: That's the twist. Dana wasn't ignorant. She'd done her homework — knew the bank's size, its regulatory environment, even the CISO's published talks. But instead of leading with that, she asked the VP of Compliance for a 45-minute masterclass on their specific compliance workflow. Luna: And the VP said yes? Lucas: Reluctantly at first. But once the VP started explaining how their exam cycles worked, how they tracked findings, how they reported to the board — the VP got into it. People like talking about their own expertise. Luna: It flatters them. And it tells you way more than a standard discovery call would. Lucas: Right. Dana took notes — actual handwritten notes. She asked follow-ups only to clarify, not to pitch. By the end of that session, she knew the bank's three biggest pain points without ever asking 'what keeps you up at night?' Luna: Which is great for discovery. But how does that turn into a closed deal? At some point you have to sell. Lucas: That's where the framework comes in. Dana had a simple three-question structure for the end of the teaching session. Question one: 'If you could change one thing about this process, what would it be?' Luna: Open-ended, but focused on their ideal state. Lucas: Question two: 'What happens if that thing doesn't change?' She wanted to understand the cost of inaction. The VP admitted they'd failed two exams in a row and were on a watchlist. Luna: That's a huge reveal — one you probably wouldn't get from a standard RFP response. Lucas: Question three: 'Who else needs to agree that this is the right fix?' That gave Dana the map of stakeholders. She learned the CFO had veto power over any new vendor because of budget freezes. Luna: So she got the org chart, the pain, the urgency — all without pitching once. Lucas: By the time Dana did present her solution, she could frame every feature in the buyer's own language. She'd quote the VP's own words back to him. 'You said the manual reconciliation was taking 12 hours per exam cycle — here's how our automation cuts that to 90 minutes.' Luna: That's powerful. But I'm wondering — doesn't this approach waste time if the buyer isn't a good fit? You spend 45 minutes learning a process you might not even solve. Lucas: Actually, Dana argues it's a filter. If the buyer can't articulate their own workflow clearly, or they dodge the teaching session, that's a red flag early. Better to learn that before you build a custom demo. Luna: So it qualifies them as much as it qualifies you. Lucas: Exactly. And there's data backing this up. I saw a Gong analysis that found deals where the rep used a 'teach me' frame in the first call had 23 percent higher close rates — but only if the rep actually stayed in learning mode for the first third of the conversation. Luna: Meaning you can't just ask one question and then revert to pitching. Lucas: Right. The moment you shift from student to salesperson too early, the buyer feels manipulated. The whole technique relies on genuine curiosity. If you're faking it, they'll smell it in two sentences. Luna: So what kind of reps does this work best for? I can imagine a seasoned rep with deep domain knowledge pulling it off — but a rookie? Lucas: Ironically, Dana was a mid-level rep — three years in. She said the technique actually helped her because she didn't have to pretend to know everything. It lowered the pressure. Luna: That's a good point. It's permission to be a learner. Lucas: And it works across industries. I've seen examples in medical devices, SaaS, even freight logistics. The common thread is that the buyer has a complex process the rep can't fully understand from a brochure. Luna: But there's a risk, right? What if the buyer says, 'You should already know this. Why should I waste my time teaching you?' Lucas: Dana had a response for that. She'd say, 'I've studied your industry, but every company does it differently. I want to make sure I understand your unique environment so I don't waste your time with irrelevant ideas.' That reframes it as respect for their time. Luna: Okay, that's a good script. But I want to push back a little — doesn't this only work if the buyer is generous with their time? What about buyers who are too busy or hostile? Lucas: Then you adjust the ask. Instead of 45 minutes, ask for 15. Or ask for a recorded walkthrough they already have. The principle is the same — you want to see their world through their eyes, not your product's lens. Luna: And what if they only give you 15 minutes, but you still haven't gotten to the three questions? Lucas: Then you prioritize. The first question — 'what would you change' — is the highest leverage. The other two can come in a follow-up email or a second call. Don't cram. Luna: I've actually tried a version of this in my own work. Recently, I was talking to a marketing VP about their attribution model, and I said, 'Can you walk me through how you currently calculate ROI?' It opened up a 40-minute conversation that revealed their biggest frustration was with last-click attribution. Lucas: And did you close that engagement? Luna: We did. And I think the teaching moment was key — they felt heard, and I didn't have to guess what they needed. Lucas: That's the core of it. You're not selling a solution; you're solving a puzzle they've already described. Dana said after the deal closed, the VP told her, 'You're the first vendor who actually listened before prescribing.' Luna: Which is both a compliment and a sad commentary on most sales interactions. Lucas: Yeah, exactly. And it's a reminder that the bar is lower than we think. You don't have to be the most charismatic rep — just the one who genuinely wants to understand. Luna: So if a listener wants to try this next week, what's the one-sentence action? Lucas: In your next first meeting, replace your usual discovery questions with one request: 'Could you teach me how you from start to finish?' Then shut up and take notes. Luna: And resist the urge to interject with your product. Lucas: Resist with all your might. If you can hold that space for even ten minutes, you'll learn more than in an hour of standard q and a. Luna: I think that's a solid challenge. And you know, conversations like these are exactly why we keep making this show — because a single shift in approach can change outcomes. If these episodes have helped you in your work, a couple of dollars a month genuinely makes a difference. Buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo keeps this whole thing ad-free. Lucas: It's a small ask that adds up. And we appreciate every bit of support. So — back to the teaching technique. One thing Dana emphasized was that you need to follow up within 24 hours with a summary of what you learned, and tie it directly to your proposed next step. Luna: So the teaching session isn't the end — it's the beginning of a co-created solution. Lucas: Exactly. She sent a two-page document titled 'What I Learned From Your Team' — bullet points, no sales language. The VP forwarded it to the CFO with a note saying, 'This vendor actually gets us.' Luna: That's the kind of word of mouth you can't buy. Lucas: Right. And it closed the deal three weeks later. So the lesson: ask to be taught, not to be sold to. Luna: Great episode. I'm going to try this in my next meeting. Lucas: Let me know how it goes. For now, that's all for Closing the Deal.