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Credlin | 17 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Kuenland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at tonight's top stories. Here's what's
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  Speaker 2: coming up on the program. The boss of the Commonwealth
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  Speaker 2: Bank says he had no idea that customers were going
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  Speaker 2: to be charged three dollars to withdraw their own money.
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  Speaker 2: Outgoing Vice President Kamala Harris is apparently not going anywhere
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  Speaker 2: and is now considering running for California governor.
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  Speaker 3: God help us. And Canadian Prime.
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  Speaker 2: Minister and so called feminist Justin Trudeau is considering resigning
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  Speaker 2: after trying to force his female deputy PM to quit.
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  Speaker 4: I am and I always will be a proud feminist.
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  Speaker 4: You will always have an ally in me and in
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  Speaker 4: my government.
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  Speaker 2: Now it might surprise you to know that I am
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  Speaker 2: a frequent consumer of ABC content. Of course, the cricket's
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  Speaker 2: on at the moment, so obviously I'm listening to that.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the same with Jim Maxwell off sick. I
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  Speaker 2: have to say I'm a regular listener of Classic though
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  Speaker 2: being a bit sick of being told on which Aboriginal
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  Speaker 2: Land concert is being performed. You know, I maybe cop
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  Speaker 2: it if it had some sort of relevance to the
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  Speaker 2: compose of it. I don't think aboriginality has much to
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  Speaker 2: do with Rachmaninoff being performed in elder Hall, macar on
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  Speaker 2: a Sunday morning, I have to say, is about the
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  Speaker 2: only non Wok part of the joint and well worth
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  Speaker 2: listening to if you want to find out what's going
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  Speaker 2: on in the bush. I do enjoy the midnight Quiz
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  Speaker 2: the Marti Challenge most nights. It's probably the best thing
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC, and I listen to the World Today
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  Speaker 2: every afternoon, which usually infuriates me with some kind of
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  Speaker 2: bizarre lefty story that I assume must be enthralling to
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  Speaker 2: Inner City listeners, but I just don't really get it.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorites this year was the story of
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  Speaker 2: a transgender opshop in Ballarat.
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  Speaker 1: An inclusive opshop has opened in regional Victoria, providing a
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  Speaker 1: safe space for gender diverse people to swap, try on
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  Speaker 1: and purchase clothes.
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  Speaker 5: And to me, it's because it's my passion. I really
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  Speaker 5: think it has helped so many people in the ballaratte
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  Speaker 5: area and around like people come in and travel to
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  Speaker 5: get to us. Yeah, I think it's great. I think
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  Speaker 5: the country needs it.
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  Speaker 6: For Ballarat resident Charlotte Johnson, she says when she first transitioned,
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  Speaker 6: her style was constantly changing, so having an.
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  Speaker 7: Affordable place to buy clothes is really helpful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that's what you could do in
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  Speaker 2: most op shops. Is it any wonder that the ABC's
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  Speaker 2: ratings have been going backwards at a rate of knots
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  Speaker 2: this year when they're putting out stuff like that. In
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  Speaker 2: April they had their worst Sydney ratings ever. This month
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  Speaker 2: in Perth they had their worst ratings ever. Adelaide's ratings
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  Speaker 2: are down. Everywhere's ratings are down basically. Radio National Breakfast
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  Speaker 2: lost ten percent of its audience this year.
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  Speaker 3: But the Albanezy.
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  Speaker 2: Government is now giving them an extra eighty three million dollars,
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  Speaker 2: presumably so they can send a reporter hunting for another
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  Speaker 2: regional transgender op shop. They'll get eighty three point one
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  Speaker 2: million over two years from twenty twenty six, and then
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  Speaker 2: an extra forty three million a year ongoing after that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about failing upwards. How can they be
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  Speaker 2: deserving of more money when they're doing worse and worse
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  Speaker 2: with the money they already have The fact that people
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  Speaker 2: are tuning out of the ABC in droves has nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with how much money it has to spend.
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  Speaker 2: It's to do with the fact they're producing content that
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  Speaker 2: no one wants to listen to. So you give them
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  Speaker 2: more money, and what do you reckon they'll do. They'll
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  Speaker 2: make an even more expensive failing product. It's a bit
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  Speaker 2: like education. For decades, we've thrown more and more money
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  Speaker 2: at it while we watch academic results go backwards, hoping
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  Speaker 2: that something will change. But we've actually just created a
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  Speaker 2: more expensive failing system. The definition of insanity, as they say,
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  Speaker 2: is doing the same thing over and over again expecting
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  Speaker 2: a different result.
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  Speaker 3: And it's one thing to say, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they need more money because of inflation, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. But this is quite seriously rewarding bad behavior.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if I walked into my boss's office and said,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, mister boss man, I want a bonus after
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  Speaker 2: having the sort of year that the ABC's had, I'd
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  Speaker 2: be laughed out of the joint. So let's call this
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's Greatest Hits for twenty twenty four. I'll start
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  Speaker 2: in April with the now departed Media Watch host Paul
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  Speaker 2: Barry having a go at our own Laura Jays for
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  Speaker 2: her coverage of the Bondai stabbing.
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  Speaker 8: The media, we're leading the tragic story of the Sydney
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  Speaker 8: woman whose baby had been stabbed in her pram. The
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  Speaker 8: sky's Laura Jays setting reporters on the trail.
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  Speaker 9: There's one victim I do know about, and that's just
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  Speaker 9: so cruel. She's an incredible athlete, she's so smart, so beautiful,
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  Speaker 9: and she was just so excited to be a new
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  Speaker 9: mother and all of that was ripped away in seconds.
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  Speaker 9: Here this afternoon, Ashley Good had died in hospital.
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  Speaker 8: Doctors were flating for the baby's life, and the media
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  Speaker 8: was soon mining her Instagram page, flashing up photos of
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  Speaker 8: her and her daughter with personal details galore.
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  Speaker 2: She was in fact talking about her friend. Barry later
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  Speaker 2: had to apologize and while we're talking about the Bondai stabbing,
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  Speaker 2: Barry actually woke up a few weeks later and realized
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  Speaker 2: that it wasn't our coverage that was a problem, was
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's. That problem being they had barely any coverage
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 8: By now nine had at least two reporters on the scene,
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  Speaker 8: So where was ABC TV? There was nothing on its
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  Speaker 8: main channel, and the news channel, whose sole job is
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  Speaker 8: to cover breaking news and is well aware that something
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  Speaker 8: terrible is unfolding, has inexplicably abandoned its live aerial shot
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  Speaker 8: of multiple ambulances and announced.
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  Speaker 10: I'm demosh to stay with US.
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  Speaker 6: Planet America's fireside.
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  Speaker 8: Chat is uplixed, which the ABC then stuck with for
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  Speaker 8: twenty three minutes until four point thirty eight, when it
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  Speaker 8: finally ditched John and Chairs to go live to the
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  Speaker 8: shopping center. The only problem is it still didn't have
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  Speaker 8: any reporters on the scene. What it did have was
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  Speaker 8: a ten minute phone interview with an ABC radio producer
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  Speaker 8: who had been shopping at Westfield away from the action
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  Speaker 8: and was shut in a storeroom as the attacks began.
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  Speaker 2: For a media company with more than a billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: of taxpayer funding, that effort was, in Barry's words, pathetic.
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  Speaker 3: Then later in May.
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  Speaker 2: Seven thirty's chief political correspondent Laura Tingle told a crowd
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  Speaker 2: at the Sydney Ritis Festival that we were a racist
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  Speaker 2: country and that Chinese people would be abused at house auctions.
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  Speaker 11: For a major point, the call lead of US be saying,
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  Speaker 11: as Nicky says, you know everything that's going wrong in
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  Speaker 11: this country is because of migrants. And you know, I
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  Speaker 11: had a sudden flash of people turning up to try
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  Speaker 11: to rent a property or at an auction, and they
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  Speaker 11: looked a bit different. What have you defined different? As
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  Speaker 11: basically he has given them licensed to be abused.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC was forced to counsel her over that. In June,
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  Speaker 2: a survey of ABC staff found that a porter had
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  Speaker 2: been bullied in thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: Percent had been sexually harassed.
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  Speaker 2: In July, they sent Adelaide breakfast radio hosts Jules Schiller
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  Speaker 2: and Sonja Feldhoff to Paris to cover the Olympics, where,
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  Speaker 2: at a cost of one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: they covered not one piece of live sport. The ABC
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  Speaker 2: already had commentators and hosts in Paris to cover the games.
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  Speaker 2: Then in September, they were caught out having doctored footage
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  Speaker 2: to make it seem like Commando Heston Russell committed war
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  Speaker 2: crimes in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 1: In the actual helmet cam vision, it's a warning shot,
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  Speaker 1: then Heston's command to shoot, followed by six shots, revealing
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  Speaker 1: an astonishing difference between the source vision and the version
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  Speaker 1: of events told by the ABC's Mark Willisy.
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  Speaker 2: The footage the ABC showed had six gun shots at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning instead of one warning shot.
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  Speaker 3: It was fake.
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  Speaker 2: ABC boss David Anderson later admitted that they'd been worn
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  Speaker 2: two years ago about the dodgy footage, but that led
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  Speaker 2: us somehow never made its way to the news department.
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  Speaker 2: In October, an ABC reporter asked Peter Dutton, why hes BLAH,
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  Speaker 2: which has previously bombed the US embassy in Beirut, it
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  Speaker 2: makes many other things, is considered a terrorist organization?
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  Speaker 4: What determines happened to?
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  Speaker 10: From aver terriffycation?
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  Speaker 12: Even though men, where are you from?
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  Speaker 13: I'm sorry which organization ABC?
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  Speaker 10: Well?
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  Speaker 13: I had presumed up until this point at least that
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  Speaker 13: the ABC supported the government's laws, and the government has
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  Speaker 13: passed laws supported on a bipartisan basis, but not by
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  Speaker 13: the ABC. It seems in relation to the prescribing or
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  Speaker 13: the listing of a terrorist organization, HESBLA under astray law
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  Speaker 13: is a listed terrorist organization. Now, if the ABC doesn't
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  Speaker 13: support that, they should be very clear about it, because
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  Speaker 13: I think that's quite a departure.
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  Speaker 3: Real brainiac stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Another internal review that month found that racism was rife
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  Speaker 2: at the ABC, including culturally diverse staff at the ABC
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  Speaker 2: mistaken for other people of the same background, subjected to
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  Speaker 2: racial slurs, and passed up for career opportunities because of
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  Speaker 2: their backgrounds. About a week later, they told staff to
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  Speaker 2: refer to Israel's incursion into Lebanon to push back hez
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  Speaker 2: Blah as a land invasion, which of course implies that
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  Speaker 2: they were going in there to take land, which they weren't.
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  Speaker 2: In November, about a month after that racism review, they
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  Speaker 2: banned the terms Chinese whispers, pow wow, gung ho, and
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  Speaker 2: call a spade a spade because they were apparently racist
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  Speaker 2: and that would fix racism. They also invited staff to
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  Speaker 2: a quote unquote transgender Day of Remembrance in the foyer
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  Speaker 2: of their Ultimo headquarters. Then at the end of November,
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  Speaker 2: ABC chairman k william said he'd never listened to the
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  Speaker 2: most popular podcast in the world, but having not listened
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  Speaker 2: to him, he knew he was repulsive.
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  Speaker 14: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
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  Speaker 14: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, They pray
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  Speaker 14: on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society.
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  Speaker 14: I personally find it deeply repulsive.
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  Speaker 2: Is it any wonder the ABC's ratings are in the
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  Speaker 2: toilet when the bloke heading up the board has never
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  Speaker 2: even listened to the most popular podcaster in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but still feels qualified to pass judgment on his content.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if he paid attention, he'd find out the sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that people actually like listening to. And then
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  Speaker 2: this month Chris Taylor, who's been filling in on Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast as New South Wales Premier Chris Mins, Why graffitian
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  Speaker 2: kill Israel on a building and a high in an
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  Speaker 2: area sorry with a high Jewish population would be considered
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitic?
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  Speaker 6: Just on your wording in your statements this morning, what's
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  Speaker 6: your reasoning for branding the attack anti Semitic and not
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  Speaker 6: anti Israel? How do you make a distinction?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, I think we would have to be willful
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  Speaker 15: at this point to turn a blind eye to that
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  Speaker 15: sequence of event and suggested to anything other than an
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  Speaker 15: anti Semitic attack.
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  Speaker 6: So if you're calling it anti Semitic rather than just a
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  Speaker 6: political anti Israel statement, what you've been in public life
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  Speaker 6: a long time? Would you say anti Semitism is at
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  Speaker 6: an all time high in your.
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  Speaker 12: Experience, Yes, I would.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose that's what happens when you get a comedian
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  Speaker 2: to host a news program. And after all of that,
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  Speaker 2: the ABC gets an eighty three point one million dollar
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  Speaker 2: top up over two years and forty three million dollars
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  Speaker 2: every year after that. That's what I call value for money.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, we found out today that the new
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  Speaker 2: boss of the ABC will be former Channel nine CEO
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Marx. We'll discuss that a little later in the show,
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  Speaker 2: but one thing's for sure, he'll have a big job
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  Speaker 2: on his hands to turn this ship around. Let's get
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  Speaker 2: into some of today's political stories with News Corps senior
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  Speaker 2: writer and columnist Patrick Carline.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Get over you know, oh, we've got to give all
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  Speaker 2: this extra money to the ABC that they should have
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  Speaker 2: some sort of performance management KPIs, whatever it might be
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  Speaker 2: attached to this kind of money. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 2: think of any other media company that, in the face
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  Speaker 2: of such a decline in ratings and listenership and viewership, etc.
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  Speaker 2: That would be able to go off and get more
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  Speaker 2: funding for what it does.
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  Speaker 12: No, of course not.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, as a journalist, I only wish that those
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  Speaker 16: measures and those KPIs didn't apply to everybody else. And
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  Speaker 16: like you, Caleb, but I mean the state of the
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  Speaker 16: ABAC makes me sad. I grew up relying on it,
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  Speaker 16: trusting in it. It was to go to national elections
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  Speaker 16: or federal budgets or whatever. Now it's sort of been
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  Speaker 16: ambushed by agendas. And I think this has been going
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  Speaker 16: on for a long time. I mean, you've talked about
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  Speaker 16: things that sort of have happened in the last sort
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  Speaker 16: of twelve months, but it's become irrelevant over the last decade,
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  Speaker 16: and I think it's really become noticeable this year because
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  Speaker 16: the world, whether it's Europe, America and now Australia, has
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  Speaker 16: turned against those woke agendas. We're sick of being lectured too.
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  Speaker 16: We're sick of being told how we ought to do things.
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  Speaker 16: And it's really disappointing because the AABC is such an
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  Speaker 16: important institution and should continue to bit well.
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  Speaker 2: If they said that every single one of those eighty
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  Speaker 2: three point one million dollars was being spent in the
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  Speaker 2: regions and in rural parts of Australia, I might have
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  Speaker 2: a different opinion of it. And that's what the ABC
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  Speaker 2: can do best. But as we know, over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years, they basically concentrated everything into Ultimo in Sydney
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  Speaker 2: and they don't care about the regions and.
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  Speaker 3: Rural areas anymore. They got rid of local.
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  Speaker 2: News bulletins on Sunday nights. Then they had the grand idea, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to decentralize a little bit, so they built
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  Speaker 2: new studios in Paramata, in the middle of suburban Sydney
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  Speaker 2: and give me a spell. Now, tomorrow we get the
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  Speaker 2: midyear economic and fiscal outlook. And I had to laugh
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  Speaker 2: today at the way Treasury Jim Chalmers was framing it,
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  Speaker 2: because there will be increases in spending on Medicare, the PBS, pensions,
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  Speaker 2: amongst other things. So they're turning the tables on the
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  Speaker 2: opposition and saying, well, if you wouldn't spend this, then
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  Speaker 2: you want to cut Medicare.
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  Speaker 17: Take a look now, when the Coalition says that this
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  Speaker 17: is overspending, what they really mean is they're coming after
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  Speaker 17: Medicare and medicines and pensions.
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  Speaker 2: So you can just spend as much as you want.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose by that logic. And the Australian revealed today
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  Speaker 2: that labor are baking in an extra twenty five point
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  Speaker 2: one billion dollars in extra spending, which will be all
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  Speaker 2: detailed tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: But what a great trick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you're not willing.
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  Speaker 2: To spend more money on medicare to increase the budget,
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  Speaker 2: then you must be going to cut the thing and
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  Speaker 2: reeks of of medi scare.
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  Speaker 16: Oh absolutely, And we saw how that went, Caleb, didn't
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  Speaker 16: we Look, a federal budget's no different to a household budget.
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  Speaker 12: You cannot spend.
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  Speaker 16: More than you earn. And I think it was economist
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  Speaker 16: Chris Richardson who talked about the fact over the Gym
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  Speaker 16: Charmers budgets that Albanezi government has spent one hundred billion
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  Speaker 16: dollars more and it's actually gained I think forty four
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  Speaker 16: billion dollars in extra revenue. So there's sixty billion dollars
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  Speaker 16: there that's been spent that hadn't been earned.
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  Speaker 12: And look, we're going to hear these.
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  Speaker 16: We're going into an election. We're going to hear the
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  Speaker 16: cost of living along with energy is going to be
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  Speaker 16: the big ticket sort.
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  Speaker 12: Of items come election time.
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  Speaker 16: We're going to hear all sorts of claims from both sides,
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  Speaker 16: to be fair, but I think when you start using
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  Speaker 16: terms like unavoidable costs to explain a growth in spending
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  Speaker 16: that's starting to get very tricksy very quickly, Isn't it?
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  Speaker 12: Isn't it exactly?
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  Speaker 2: And of course we know the RBA said multiple times
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  Speaker 2: it's government spending that it's driving inflation at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: so they may as well kiss goodbye to the interest
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  Speaker 2: rate reduction that they want. And this is the other thing,
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  Speaker 2: of course, it's not just the national accounts that labor
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  Speaker 2: needs to justify to voters. It's their individual economic situations,
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  Speaker 2: as we've been talking about for weeks now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: seven straight quarters of household GDP going backwards. And I
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  Speaker 2: read this article in the Sydney Morning Herald today about
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  Speaker 2: how to budget for next year and it mentions that
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  Speaker 2: a survey by comparison website Finder found boom boom that
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  Speaker 2: twenty percent of Australians faced a financial emergency this year.
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  Speaker 2: One in five Australians was struggling to get by on
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  Speaker 2: the amount of money they had. How is the government
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  Speaker 2: meant to tell people at a federal election next year
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  Speaker 2: that they've been better off under an Albanesi government.
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  Speaker 16: Well, they're going to find it very difficult and I'm
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  Speaker 16: actually surprised it's only one in five. To be honest, Caleber,
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  Speaker 16: I would have thought more. I mean, I know so
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  Speaker 16: many renters who can't afford to move out, but they
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  Speaker 16: can't afford to stay. You know, interest rates have stayed
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  Speaker 16: high for a very prolonged period, and I think there
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  Speaker 16: hasn't been any optimism, and there is no optimism. There's
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  Speaker 16: no sort of blue skies ahead. It's certainly not before
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  Speaker 16: the election. It's not going to get better overnight, and
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  Speaker 16: I think people are just tired. They're tired of wondering
• 17:19
  Speaker 16: how they're going to pay for this or paid them that.
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  Speaker 16: It's sort of become a way of life that has
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  Speaker 16: sort of I don't know how a federal government that
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  Speaker 16: oversaw these conditions can actually claim that it somehow made
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  Speaker 16: it better, because it certainly doesn't feel better to any
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  Speaker 16: ordinary Australian does it now?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Very quickly before we go Victoria where you are, the
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  Speaker 2: Premier to Center Allen today announced that face masks will
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: be banned at protests and they won't be able to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: carry blue rope blocks.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of thing, fair enough, I reckon.
• 17:51
  Speaker 16: Oh absolutely, Look, it's a pity that you needed to
• 17:53
  Speaker 16: get a synagogue fire bomb to inspire these laws. I mean,
• 17:57
  Speaker 16: why do you need to wear a face mask? Why
• 17:59
  Speaker 16: do you need to protest outside places of worship? I mean,
• 18:02
  Speaker 16: these are deplorable scenes and they've been going on for
• 18:04
  Speaker 16: so long. Josh Frodenberg wrote a nice column in the
• 18:08
  Speaker 16: Weekend Papers. He talked about when it's not dealt with,
• 18:11
  Speaker 16: when anti Semitism is not dealt with properly, it becomes normalized.
• 18:14
  Speaker 16: And that's what's happened, I think right across Australia, but
• 18:17
  Speaker 16: certainly here in Victoria.
• 18:19
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And it will also crack down hopefully on the crazy
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: extinction rebellion people, and that's why they're mentioned in Blue etc.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: In this kind of thing. The more of this week
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: can stop, the better, Patrick Carline, thank you for your time.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we're getting ready to rumble
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: with Stephen Conroy and Bronwin Bishop. All the big stories
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: head to head, don't go away.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Defamation connoisseur and Victorian Liberal leader John Pursuto is going
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to face a major test on Friday because five MPs
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: have signed a motion calling for a meeting to reinstate.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Asked Liberal mpboy redeeming to the Parliamentary Party. Puto wasn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: so pleased when I asked about the prospect of her return.
• 19:02
  Speaker 16: Would you entertain a physicians who allowed that party?
• 19:07
  Speaker 12: There are processes that can be invoked at any point.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: In time, and no wonder given she just walloped him
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in court, Let's bring in tonight's panel former Labor Senator
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy up in the wall there and of course
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: on the disk with me former Speaker of the House
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: for Edwin Bishop. There's been yes, no.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Will he go? Won't he go?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: They can't organize someone who could replace him that were
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: going to do it before the defamation ruling was handed down.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem for the Victorian Liberals is
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that they don't actually know who could replace him, so
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: they're somewhat stuck between a rock and.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: A hard place.
• 19:42
  Speaker 18: Well, I know that one state division doesn't like someone
• 19:46
  Speaker 18: from another state division telling them what to do. But
• 19:49
  Speaker 18: seeing we've got a couple of Victorians who have now
• 19:53
  Speaker 18: active in New South Wales with a dysfunctional executive helping
• 19:56
  Speaker 18: been done away with, I think I can have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: Break the rule.
• 20:03
  Speaker 18: So I really do think there is a standout candidate
• 20:08
  Speaker 18: who's behaved very well, and that's mister Groth who's resigned
• 20:12
  Speaker 18: from a position of cabinet. But that's a matter for
• 20:16
  Speaker 18: them to decide. But I just feel that the dregs
• 20:22
  Speaker 18: of what's left after the Andrews government, and that's what
• 20:25
  Speaker 18: it is, the dregs. They've got to be a strong
• 20:28
  Speaker 18: opposition to give faith to the Victorian people. And I
• 20:33
  Speaker 18: from my point of view, I don't see how mister
• 20:35
  Speaker 18: Presuitter can stay there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if they want to form government after
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the next election, which is entirely possible if you look
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: at the current polling, now is the time to get
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: rid of him, because you don't want to be doing
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: this in a couple of years time, when you're staring
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: down the barrel of an election. Steven, you get rid
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of him now. And I think at the same time
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you let Deeming back into the party because how can
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they argue, having now had the defamation case which he
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: one proving that pursudo defamed her, how can they continue
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to keep her out of the party instead of or
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: apart from spite well.
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: I think the Liberals are, you know, as Bromin said,
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: a bad opposition and you know The great truism in
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: Australian politics is a bad opposition usually leads to a
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: pretty average government. And I think the Liberals have a
• 21:27
  Speaker 15: duty to the people of Victoria to provide a good
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: opposition which will make a better government. I think that's
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: been playing out. I think this is a fabulous trojan
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: horse in a way to get rid of Persudo. You
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: can say, yes, I think we have to let her
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: in without officially voting against him, but if she gets
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: readmitted by the Victorian Liberal Party that is a de
• 21:52
  Speaker 15: facto vote of no confidence in Persudo. I think he
• 21:55
  Speaker 15: understands that. I think the people by behind this understand that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: So it is a very clever trojan horse. And I
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: think when the Liberals finally get their act together and
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: are able to walk to gum and tie their shoelaces
• 22:10
  Speaker 15: without falling over in front of the camera, they will
• 22:12
  Speaker 15: provide a much stronger opposition which should lead to a
• 22:15
  Speaker 15: much stronger government.
• 22:17
  Speaker 18: Stephen, which you can't get away with, is trying to
• 22:20
  Speaker 18: blame a bad labor government on a poor opposition. They're
• 22:24
  Speaker 18: bad of their own volition.
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: It's true.
• 22:27
  Speaker 18: They don't need any help. They were just playing bad.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: True Stephen, Well.
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: Look, I think what Bromin wants to ignore is that
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: just like the federal liberal government, just like the former
• 22:41
  Speaker 15: state liberal government, huge amounts of debt were run up
• 22:45
  Speaker 15: by those governments to deal with COVID in Victoria had
• 22:49
  Speaker 15: the longest, deepest lockdowns and needed the most government.
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: Support to get the fault.
• 22:55
  Speaker 15: Because well, you can have the argument about whether or
• 22:59
  Speaker 15: not it was too long. That's a that's a decent argument.
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: I agree with you. The level of debt run up
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: by the state New South Wales doable government and.
• 23:10
  Speaker 18: The nothing compared to Victoria.
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: Well it's not nothing, it's actually.
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: Stephen, So you can just wait, you can just wave the.
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: Magic wand and pretend. Okay, you can. You can try
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: and pretend that they didn't run up massive amounts of
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: debts and that it must all be the federal labor
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: government's fault and the Chris run huge amount of debts.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I'll just ask you this question, though, Stephen, as a man,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is a man of the Victorian Labor Party. Would you
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: rather Jacinda Allen goes up against John Pursuito at the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: next state election or someone else?
• 23:49
  Speaker 15: Now, as I said, a weak oppositions divided and can't
• 23:53
  Speaker 15: get its act together, I'd certainly if I was Sindre,
• 23:57
  Speaker 15: and I'd want to keep pursuit of there for the
• 23:58
  Speaker 15: moment because they're divided. I mean, he's actually leading in
• 24:02
  Speaker 15: the polls, polls. I mean, this is the problem that
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: the Libs have got.
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: We don't want to support him, but he's winning.
• 24:10
  Speaker 15: If we've just gone behind him, he might actually be
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: able to win, which.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Which is why they had to get rid of him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: Now to the core of your question.
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: So the core of your question, if I was just
• 24:20
  Speaker 15: said draw and I'd want him there because the Liberals
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: just cut bide the fact that he's aheading the Poles
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: and they want to tear him down because he's a moderate.
• 24:27
  Speaker 18: Of course, I also think there's a few in the
• 24:29
  Speaker 18: Labor Party you want to tear her down too well.
• 24:32
  Speaker 19: And well, you know, mister Pallas is on the way
• 24:35
  Speaker 19: out now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Over in Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is apparently on
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the brink of resigning because the Rats are starting to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: jump off the sinking ship.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: We know he's toast next year.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Anyway, but his Deputy PM and Finance Minister Christia Friedland
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: has pulled the pin starting disagreement over spending and how
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to address Trump's tariff. She put her letters Trudeau on
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: x She said, on Friday, you told me you no
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: longer want me to serve as you Finance Minister and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: offered me another position in the cabinet. In making your decision,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you made clear that I no longer credibly enjoy that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: confidence and possess the authority that comes with it. Now,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I know a PM has the discretion to choose who
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: is and isn't in his cabinet, but this is a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: woman he's tried to sack here. I thought he was
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a full on feminist.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: The United States voted for a second time to not
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: elect its first woman president. Everywhere, women's rates and women's
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: progress is under attack, overtly and subtlely. But I want
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you to know that I am and I always will be,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: a proud feminist. You will always have an ally in
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: me and in my government.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: The proud feminist. Bronwan pushing the women out of his cabinet.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But this suggestion now that he might go before the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: next election, good riddens to bad rubbish.
• 25:52
  Speaker 18: I say absolutely. I mean he is a socialist, Oh, yes,
• 25:57
  Speaker 18: through and through, And they always tell him, so you
• 26:00
  Speaker 18: don't have to wait. But the really interesting thing is
• 26:03
  Speaker 18: that his coalition partner, which he depends upon, the leader
• 26:07
  Speaker 18: of that party I think it's called the New Democratic Party,
• 26:10
  Speaker 18: has call for him to resign. There is a call
• 26:12
  Speaker 18: for an election to be held over Christmas. That's how
• 26:16
  Speaker 18: bad it is. But the leader of the opposition in
• 26:21
  Speaker 18: Canada is very strong. He is coming out as strong
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: and I think he will clearly win that next election,
• 26:29
  Speaker 18: whether it's held over Christmas because his own people throw
• 26:32
  Speaker 18: him out, or whether they have to wait until the
• 26:35
  Speaker 18: new year.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I mean, one way or another, he's going.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But one by one, Stephen, these wokee leaders are just
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: slowly falling off.
• 26:43
  Speaker 19: We got rid of.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Biden, got rid of Bough. Apparently she's gonna have another goal.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Get to that a bit later.
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: Trudeau, help God helps a Democrat party.
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: Look, I think it's actually I think it's actually more
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: interesting than at the moment. I mean, you can point
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: to Trudeau, you can move to the Conservatives in Germany,
• 27:02
  Speaker 15: which governments in meltdown. You can talk about Macron in
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: France in meltdown, kids, Darma, I only just won the
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: election in meltdown. We've seen Japan just go through a
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: leadership change and South Korea imposed.
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: Martial office six hours.
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: So I actually think if you look across the western
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: democratic world, you're actually seeing quite an extraordinary set of
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: circumstances around leadership and strong leadership. And while I don't
• 27:28
  Speaker 15: share Bromin's view that true types of socialists. On Brommin's definition,
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: her and the older Banichik are the only non cut
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: socialists in the entire political world.
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: Everyone else is a socialist.
• 27:43
  Speaker 15: You are, seriously, I just know the buttons to push
• 27:48
  Speaker 15: to get you out of the box.
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: Actually don't need any help. That is true. That is true,
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: You're out of the box already quick.
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: And that's I think that's a fascinating situation right across
• 28:04
  Speaker 15: the democratic world at the moment, that socialist governments by
• 28:08
  Speaker 15: sience politics, well, I don't think. I don't think you
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: can call a Christian Democrats in Germany socialists, but they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 15: in trouble. Makron maybe you think he's a socialist, most
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: of the socialist in France don't. But genuinely, you look
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: at that a array of countries. Now, I said, Steiner
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: is in trouble as well, he wouldn't call himself a socialist,
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: so many others would say, you're probably a good company there.
• 28:31
  Speaker 18: You know, if it looks like a dark and a
• 28:33
  Speaker 18: quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: When you think I'm a socialist, you're the only person
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: on the planet you think I'm a socialist.
• 28:41
  Speaker 18: Steven Still, it's a company you keep.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to run a viewer call on that
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: one you keep.
• 28:48
  Speaker 18: There are the degrees of socialists that it's really easy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Correct, Well, if you want you want to talk about
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you want to talk to whether.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Socialist as a common because you know all the rumors.
• 29:01
  Speaker 18: About indeed, his first drat the Rolling Stone.
• 29:06
  Speaker 19: Well, you put a photo of the two of them
• 29:08
  Speaker 19: are given and they look remarkably similar. Now Labour's gone
• 29:11
  Speaker 19: into full scare campaign moo for Peter Dutton's costings for
• 29:15
  Speaker 19: nuclear energy. Jim Charmers has just added a lazy four
• 29:18
  Speaker 19: trillion dollars to the coalition's forecasts of three hundred and
• 29:21
  Speaker 19: thirty one billion, which is well, I suppose it's quite
• 29:24
  Speaker 19: the discrepancy, isn't it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Here they both are.
• 29:27
  Speaker 17: This will be one of the choices that people face
• 29:29
  Speaker 17: when they go into the ballot box next year. Between
• 29:32
  Speaker 17: Labour's plan for a future powered by renewables and firmed
• 29:37
  Speaker 17: by gas relying on storage and hydro versus this economic insanity, Well,
• 29:43
  Speaker 17: it's just comical.
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: I mean, Jim Charmers is like some sort of comedy routine.
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: Where whatever he says I would fact check.
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: He refuses to release any of the detail in relation
• 29:54
  Speaker 13: to that claim.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know Labour carried on for a long
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: time saying, oh, where's the coalition's numbers, where's coalition's numbers?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But when they're throwing around that four trillion dollars going,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: come on, don't expect anyone to believe that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 18: No, let's put it in context. He's got to come
• 30:10
  Speaker 18: out with my EFO. He's going to have to show
• 30:13
  Speaker 18: that he is plunging the country into debt for decades.
• 30:16
  Speaker 18: This is the man who's skided all dear, look at us.
• 30:19
  Speaker 15: We got twos to Morrison's government.
• 30:24
  Speaker 18: Let's talk about something else. That's that's what's being put
• 30:28
  Speaker 18: up here. I'll throw out four trillion. I threw out
• 30:32
  Speaker 18: two hundred and seventy five dollars. Nobody believes that. Nobody
• 30:35
  Speaker 18: means the word he says, that's why I call him
• 30:37
  Speaker 18: the snake charmer. It's all an illusion. Even in his language.
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: With regard to the budget, he said there are pressures
• 30:44
  Speaker 18: on the budget. He means new spending, but he won't
• 30:47
  Speaker 18: say so, it's pressure. So if you go through these lexicon,
• 30:51
  Speaker 18: as I see the Australian did quite cleverly the other day,
• 30:54
  Speaker 18: you see that here is a man who has got
• 30:57
  Speaker 18: a world salad all of his own, and it is
• 31:00
  Speaker 18: really showing he thinks that he's a strong man. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 18: knows he's got elbow the albatross Randy's neck. So he
• 31:07
  Speaker 18: comes out and says, look at me, I'm the strong man.
• 31:10
  Speaker 18: I'm going to take it there. I'll win this election
• 31:12
  Speaker 18: and then you can get away with elbow and ah
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: with a new partment.
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: That's what that is all about.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: God help us with that one. But it does make
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a mockery of it, doesn't it? Seven four trillion?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Serious?
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: Look, I think I think there is a valid point underneath,
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: you know some of what Bromman said. No, no, I
• 31:30
  Speaker 15: think it's a valid point. Let me finish about what
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: you and Bromman are saying. Duten's the first one to
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: come up with a dodgy set of numbers for Labour's renewables.
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: It's a trillion dollars. When you add it all up,
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: you know it's a completely dodgy number. I think if
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: Labor wants to get into competing, will there's his four
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: trillion versus ours is one trillion according to Dutton. Dutton's
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: won the debate. I think Labor spends its time trying
• 31:54
  Speaker 15: to say that it's a four trillion number versus Dutton
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: saying ours is a one trillion number. Labor will lose
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: this debate. I don't think that's the way. There are
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: plenty of holes to be challenged. Some of them are
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: a bit technical. I mean, I famlessly remember Brombin's love
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: child Malcolm Turnbulus.
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: She voted National Radio.
• 32:17
  Speaker 18: Tony haven't waved the credit that claimed Stephen needs.
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: Don't destroy the thoy So that's fair.
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: But Malcolm Turman went on National Television said the National
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: Broadband Network is a waste of money because we only
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: need to use twenty five megabits by the year twenty
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: twenty three.
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: Last year we.
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: Only need twenty five megabits download upload speech.
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: That's actually what he said on radio.
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: Okay, so he downplayed the actual demand that was being
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: created in the economy, and we all know what the
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: NBN's being used for in twenty twenty three and twenty
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: twenty four, and.
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: Dutton's played the same trick.
• 32:55
  Speaker 15: Dutton's gone, there will be no increase in demand in
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: energy over the next X amount of years. That is
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: an absolutely bogus claim and for Frontier to be trying
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: to pretend that estimate, so they're playing the same trick
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: they can play.
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: Down to put.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: On the bond.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what big tech companies are doing overseas, Stephen,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: because they need lots of lots of power to do
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: their work, they're investing in nuclear including Microsoft, Stephen Conroy,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Bronwin Bishop, thank you so much for your time. After
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the break, more warnings of blackouts due to a shaky
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: energy grid. I suppose it's just another day ending, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: why isn't it. I'll tell you the latest details.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: In the moment.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, the Commonwealth.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Bank caused a hullabaloo because they were going to move
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: customers to a different account and then charge them three
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: backs to withdraw their own money at the branch. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I remember hearing one of their executives on radio the
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: day that they decided to put that on hold for
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: six months. I think it was with Michael McLaren on
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: two GB and he was asked whether the chief executive,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Matt Common, would be making any kind of public statement,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and he basically just said, thanks for your time and
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: hung up the phone.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Well, now we know why.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: He said that he first heard about the decision to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: charge customers the three dollar fee to take out their
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: own money through the media. Joining me now is National
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan. I mean, Matt, this is unbelievable. I mean,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: this guy is supposed to be the boss of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: biggest bank in the country that gets a lot of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: support from the federal government because, as we know, the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: federal government secures the banks in this country, and he
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: didn't even know about the plan until he heard about
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it in the news.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, customers are being taken for a ride.
• 34:46
  Speaker 20: Well, look, I've got no idea, Caleb, what happens within
• 34:49
  Speaker 20: the Common Bank that something's gone wrong here. Given the
• 34:53
  Speaker 20: public a reaction alone, you would think that those people
• 34:57
  Speaker 20: making this decision in the Common Bank would have been
• 34:59
  Speaker 20: aware or should have been aware that a decision like
• 35:04
  Speaker 20: this would cause significant controversy, and therefore should I be
• 35:08
  Speaker 20: elevated to the senior leaders of the bank, including the CEO,
• 35:13
  Speaker 20: to work out how they should make this decision. I mean, look,
• 35:16
  Speaker 20: there's no doubt that the costs of distributing cash holding
• 35:20
  Speaker 20: cash are getting more expensive, but I don't think the
• 35:25
  Speaker 20: customers of banks want those costs to be recovered in
• 35:29
  Speaker 20: this way. It was just absurd and it got pulled
• 35:33
  Speaker 20: very quickly. So I suppose that the broader concern I
• 35:36
  Speaker 20: hear have here than just that one decision is the
• 35:40
  Speaker 20: sensibility of those people making decisions within the banks and
• 35:44
  Speaker 20: whether they really understand the pressures that basic austrains are under.
• 35:47
  Speaker 20: So while this decision received this enormous amount of attention,
• 35:51
  Speaker 20: and what about all the other decisions being made on
• 35:53
  Speaker 20: a day to day basis that we might not see
• 35:55
  Speaker 20: where bank executives really just have no idea how strains
• 35:58
  Speaker 20: are struggling right now.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is all part of the gradual push towards
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a cashless society. You make it harder and harder to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: access the cash, and then the bank turns around and says, well,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: people don't want cash anymore. So we're getting rid of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the ATMs and we're getting rid of the branches. Well,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you know, chicken and egg. The banks made the decision
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that they don't want you to have cash. That's why
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: people aren't spending cash.
• 36:22
  Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I'm not so sure this was necessarily of
• 36:24
  Speaker 20: that vein. I mean, this decision didn't stop you getting
• 36:27
  Speaker 20: cash out from ATMs.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: It was the same charges.
• 36:29
  Speaker 20: You get no charges if it's common bank ATMs. Obviously
• 36:32
  Speaker 20: as the vast majority of the strains would use that
• 36:35
  Speaker 20: vehicle to do it. I mean, there is an issue here.
• 36:39
  Speaker 20: I do want to support the option of cash for people,
• 36:43
  Speaker 20: but we also can't be naive about the pressures that
• 36:45
  Speaker 20: are facing the fact that a few people are losing cash,
• 36:48
  Speaker 20: and therefore the fixed costs of transporting cash secure and
• 36:51
  Speaker 20: cash distributing cash are becoming more expensive to do that,
• 36:56
  Speaker 20: and someone ultimately has to pick up that cost, does
• 36:59
  Speaker 20: get charged those we're using cash, or gets recovered through
• 37:02
  Speaker 20: the general interest rate margins that we all pay to
• 37:05
  Speaker 20: the bank.
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: So that's a challenge.
• 37:08
  Speaker 20: Look, I do think, you know, we also need to
• 37:10
  Speaker 20: think about the technological developments here and things like bitcoin
• 37:12
  Speaker 20: and cryptocurrency to give people a lot of other options
• 37:15
  Speaker 20: than just cash. The key thing for me is to
• 37:17
  Speaker 20: making sure that people aren't locked in and they have choice.
• 37:20
  Speaker 20: And there's no reason with those technological developments that there
• 37:23
  Speaker 20: isn't going to be even more choice and how you
• 37:26
  Speaker 20: store your currency, how you use that as a means
• 37:29
  Speaker 20: of exchange, and that's a great thing. So look, it
• 37:32
  Speaker 20: is a bit scary and a bit off putting, but
• 37:34
  Speaker 20: I don't necessarily agree that we're heading to some kind
• 37:38
  Speaker 20: of state sanctioned control of our money because I just
• 37:42
  Speaker 20: don't think government's going to be able to do that anymore,
• 37:44
  Speaker 20: given the choices out there for consumers.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I certainly hope.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So now, it's been a hot couple of days in
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Sydney and again we've been told to brace for potential
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: blackouts because the bays Water and a rearing colified power
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: stations are operating below capacity. They both had to shut
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: down a unit last week. And again it just proves
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: that this infrastructure has been run into the ground too
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: fast without any other power to make up for it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many times this is only I don't
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: know what we would be leaven a month into summer
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and we've had these warnings at least four or five
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: times now, so god knows what the rest of summer
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: is going to be. Like how many summers are we
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: going to go through where we all just go okay, yeah,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: well it might be a blackout tomorrow because of course,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: so much money has been invested in renewables, no money
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: in coal, which means the infrastructure has degraded, and then
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden we go, oh, we don't actually
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: have enough power.
• 38:36
  Speaker 20: Well, we're just playing Russian roulette with our energy security.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 38:39
  Speaker 20: It is a matter of when not in we have
• 38:43
  Speaker 20: large scale blackouts unless something is done quickly to bring
• 38:47
  Speaker 20: on more reliable supplies of power. And that's not me
• 38:50
  Speaker 20: saying that, that is the energy regulators themselves, like the
• 38:54
  Speaker 20: Strategy Market Operator, who have put out report out for
• 38:57
  Speaker 20: report in the last couple of years that have warned.
• 38:59
  Speaker 20: But there is a nificant gap emerging in New South
• 39:03
  Speaker 20: As Victoria in particular in the need for reliable power. Now,
• 39:07
  Speaker 20: the problem is those same regulars turn around and then
• 39:09
  Speaker 20: double down on the path of obsessive obsessing over renewables
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: that has led us into this very position. I mean,
• 39:16
  Speaker 20: what this show us the last couple of weeks doesn't
• 39:18
  Speaker 20: is we kind of need coal when a couple of
• 39:21
  Speaker 20: units go down because they're old and creaking and the
• 39:24
  Speaker 20: old machines break. When that happens, at the moment, these
• 39:27
  Speaker 20: blackout risks, you know, metastasize. So why don't we build
• 39:32
  Speaker 20: a few new col fire powerstations and then we wouldn't
• 39:35
  Speaker 20: have these risks. That wouldn't take very long. They can
• 39:38
  Speaker 20: be built off the shelf in a few years. They
• 39:41
  Speaker 20: wouldn't cost very much, so be a fraction of the
• 39:43
  Speaker 20: cost of either the nuclear plan or the coalition or
• 39:46
  Speaker 20: the ridiculous renewables plan of the government. And guess what, Caleb,
• 39:51
  Speaker 20: I don't think a few We probably need two or
• 39:53
  Speaker 20: three cal fire powerstations in New South of Victoria. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 20: don't think two or three could fire powerstations is going
• 39:58
  Speaker 20: to blow the planet up. Not China's building two of
• 40:01
  Speaker 20: them a week. Yeah, I mean the plant hasn't blown up.
• 40:04
  Speaker 20: And for the last two years China's been building power
• 40:06
  Speaker 20: stations at a rape col fi powerstations around of two
• 40:08
  Speaker 20: a week. And so why don't we just build a
• 40:10
  Speaker 20: couple ourselves so we can have energy security, we can
• 40:13
  Speaker 20: have more affordable energy, and we can maintain the manufacturing
• 40:17
  Speaker 20: jobs we need to defend this country.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And we even have the call ourselves to burn very
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: quickly before we go to.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: A break mass, I know exactly. Then we subsidize them
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: as well. It's it's just insane.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: But as you know, REX sank into administration earlier this year,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: but the services have been maintained because the government's been
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: pumping money into it, about eighty million.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Dollars for tax paid dollars.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But other regional airlines are now starting to cry poor.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: They're accusing the federal government of creating an uneven playing field.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That was Skytrans and Sharp airlines in the Australian today
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: complaining about it is that the situation we've ended up
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: in where REX has essentially become a protected entity and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: there are other players who could potentially provide a better
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: service or a bit of competition, but they feel effectively
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: locked out because of the government playing favorites. Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 20: Look, I think some of those airlines are making good points.
• 41:11
  Speaker 20: I've spoken to some of the non REX airlines about
• 41:14
  Speaker 20: this situation. I do think that the government had to
• 41:17
  Speaker 20: act immediately when REX went under because airline services for
• 41:21
  Speaker 20: some of these country towns are just absolutely essential and
• 41:24
  Speaker 20: so they needed to be continuation at a point of crisis.
• 41:28
  Speaker 20: But I do think it's something that we should look
• 41:30
  Speaker 20: at over the next year as we work out what
• 41:32
  Speaker 20: happens to rex long term. Maybe some of these this
• 41:36
  Speaker 20: government support for rural airline routes should be opened up
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: to the market to other operators that might do a
• 41:41
  Speaker 20: better job.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Competition. Strange idea, isn't it. Matt Canavan, thank.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: You for your time. In Merry Christmas coming up the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: panel Unpacked.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: The big day at Altimo is the ABC gets a
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: new boss and a multimillion dollar Christmas bonus thanks to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the government and your tax dollars that more out of
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the break Well, tomorrow's mid year economic and fiscal outlook
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: is going to be bad news for a whole lot
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of people.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: But I tell you who's.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Going to have a good day, the publicly funded broadcaster.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: They're getting a big fat wad of your money.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: As I talked about at the top of the show,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: the ABC will receive an eighty three million dollar boost
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: over the next two years so they can give us
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: some more exemplary journalism, like editing footage of our soldiers
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. I suppose, by the way, we learned today
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that the independent probe into that scandal at the ABC
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: they commission that so arrived two months late, real cutting
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: each stuff, and clearly it means they need more money.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Linda Scott, former Labor counselor, and Lisa
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Goddard from a dorney media.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Linda.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I know they're arguing, Okay, well, the reason we're doing
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: this is because the previous government canceled the indexation. But
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: if you look at the performance of the ABC this year,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: it's pretty hard to see a genuine argument for giving
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: them more money without at least having some strings attached
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to it, like you've got to improve your ratings or
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: perhaps don't edit to people to look like war criminals.
• 43:05
  Speaker 12: Well look, I know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: It's heresy to say it on Sky News, but the
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: National Broadcaster always gets a bit of a rough trot,
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: doesn't it. It's a very hard task and it's an
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: increase in funding for the ABC and the SBS, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: I think it is important as we come into really
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: significant natural disaster season here in Australia. We all know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: you know you've got the radio tuned on, particularly in
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: regional parts of Australia, just in case, just in case
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: you get that dangerous bushfire. We had those black summer
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: bushfires not that long ago here in New South Wales
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: that had a flood that it took a flood to put.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Out the bushfires.
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: So I think it is the case that people recognize,
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: even as avid watches of this network, that there are
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: times when all Australians need the ABCA, they need a
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: good quality public broadcaster. And as we come into the
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: disaster season, I think it is important that we make
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: sure the ABC is probably funded and funded to do
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: those all important jobs in the national interest.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't argue with that, but Lisa, I mean,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: surely with the billion odd dollars we already give them,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: they can put out a few warnings about bush fars.
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Caleb and Linda.
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: No one's arguing that we don't need the radio network
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: across the regions or the important work that ABC News
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: does across regional Australia. I think what sticks in everybody's
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: clause the fact that it is so biased on many
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: programs and the amount of money that is poured into
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: and I'm sorry, comedy shows that just aren't funny. And
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: then you look at the lack of accountability. I spoke
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: to Heston Russell. You mentioned the review, Caleb. I spoke
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: to Heston just a few minutes before coming on air.
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: Despite the court finding ABC guilty of defaming Heston, despite
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: the outcome of this review, and still no one being
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: held to account over that footage that was edited. He
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: still has not received a personal apology from anyone within
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: the ABC to my understanding. So where is the accountability
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: in this network that keeps being given billion dollars funding grants,
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: funding grants, funding grants of our money. No accountability and
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: it's disgusting to see.
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: The amount of bias.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I would have said that Kim Williams was too
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: busy listening to Joe Rogan to be able to get
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: on the blower to Heston Russell, but we know that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: he's not doing that. While we're talking about the ABC,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: they've announced that they've got a new managing director, or
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: they will as of next March, which will be former
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: nine chief executive Hugh Marx. Now, of course when Hugh
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: left Linda it was twenty twenty.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: So it was just before all of this stuff started.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: In terms of cultural problems, a lot of the people
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: who have now left nine this year were there when
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Hugh Marx was there, including Darren Wick etc. He said
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that he didn't know about any of this, that no
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: one had raised any of these issues with him, But
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: you'd have to think given a lot of this obviously
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: went on while he was CEO, it's a bit of
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a brave move for the ABC to now say, well,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: we want someone from the old guard to come in
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and run our our operation.
• 46:00
  Speaker 18: Isn't it well.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: Look, of course the recruitment of the CEO is a
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: matter for the board, so we'll see how that pans out.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: But times have changed since twenty twenty. There's obviously new
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: legislative responsibilities in Australia that give all boards, all companies,
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: all employers positive duty obligations to prevent sexual harassment, to
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: prevent discrimination in the workplace. And whilst there's lots of
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: research on this and some of the statistics do vary,
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: our Watch in recent research has said that one in
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: four Australians report experiencing harassment women. One in four women
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: report experiencing harassment in the workplace in the last twelve months.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: So I'm confident that all employers, that all boards are
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: looking at this closely to make sure that they're upholding
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: their obligations to proactively prevent. It's not a case of well,
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: you know, I didn't have it raised with me. I
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: didn't know, I didn't see. That is not enough of
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: an excuse anymore under Australian law. And I think that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: a really great It's really great that people should be
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: able to go to work, feel safe, feel free from discrimination,
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: and know that their employers are doing something positive about it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Well, you've been around the traps for a long time, Lisa,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: in the media, including it at Channel nine.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Do you think this is the right move for the ABC.
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: I looked at this and I just went they've searched
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: the entire world and they've come to somebody who has
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: come out of, like you say, the old guard of
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: Australian television, and look, I wish him.
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: I think if you can get in there and actually
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: bring some more like I said, accountability and transparent transparency
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: into that ABC world and make it a more accountable place,
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: and that's a very good thing. Like Linda said, you
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: have the right to go to work and not be
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: sexually harassed. What came out of that Cultural Review is appalling.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: It is just disgusting. And you saw a number of
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: nine staff stand up and try to basically say how
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: awful it was that this was happening and that they
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: didn't know about it. So you know, you have to
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: give him the You have to hope that he didn't know.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Indeed, very quickly before we go, here's something that will
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: give us a bit of holiday cheer. The Washington Post
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is reporting that Democrat age have been floating around the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: return of Kamala Harris. Apparently they believe she can become
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the governor of California and potentially even have a better
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: showing in the twenty twenty eight campaign for president.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, finda Are they mad? They have to be mad?
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: Can I say that? As you know, I'm a massive
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: lover of politics. I love US politics, but I do
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: have one small Christmas wish and it is at least
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: sort of a month without discussion of US politics. I've
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: got to be honest with you here, right. I mean,
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: the cricket is on. It's very beautifully hot today in Sydney.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: It definitely feels like some is kicked in and I
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: just don't know that we can start talking about who's
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: going to be the candidate, you know, for the next
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: US president elections.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Just right now, you've got ten seconds, Lisa. But you
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: know what, I hope they do it because it'll mean
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Jdie Vans will be president.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: Oh I was, Linda. Can we just not talk about it?
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: Can we just get through Christmas and then start looking
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: at what's happening. Yeah, we're going to be inundated with
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: Australian politics and the election which is looming, so focus
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: on that one.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I can tell you what. There'll be plenty more to come.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much both for joining me, and that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: is it for me tonight. Coming up next is the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Vault Report with James McPherson. I'll be back tomorrow at six.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Good Night,