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Voddie Baucham - Question and Answer - Part 4 (W Paul Washer) Psalm 19:1 · Voddie Baucham Sermons

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  Speaker 1: As well another thing to think about that's so important
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  Speaker 1: is when you start reading some of these guys if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to read the Puritans I always recommend Thomas
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  Speaker 1: Watson's body of divinity first because he's concise for a
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  Speaker 1: Puritan very clear beautifully but let me give you an
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  Speaker 1: example you're going to start reading some of these guys
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to think this is so dumb what's
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  Speaker 1: this have to do with me this is just I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand this man writes like a fool you start
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  Speaker 1: all your talk you know You know what you are?
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  Speaker 2: You just like a person.
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  Speaker 1: Who would rather watch SpongeBob? Then look at Monet's water lilies.
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  Speaker 1: You see, there's an you've probably some of you've taken
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  Speaker 1: art appreciation. You have to refine your taste to appreciate art.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same way. You have to. My wife is
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  Speaker 2: is a cook. I mean, I have to fast.
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  Speaker 1: Just to say, I mean, the woman can flat out
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  Speaker 1: put the food on the table. And I mean, everywhere
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  Speaker 1: from Italy to Peru, you name it, she can do it.
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  Speaker 1: And in some ways, she said, you know, Paul, when
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  Speaker 1: I married you, you were nothing but a pitiful hillbilly.
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  Speaker 1: And I've had to refine you, you know, and she
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  Speaker 1: there's a sense in which I can appreciate foods that
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  Speaker 1: I would have never appreciated before because of what she's.
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  Speaker 2: Put in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And so you have to learn to appreciate this. Also,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes people ask me, man, you quoted that Puritan. You
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  Speaker 1: must read all the time. No, I'm just pretty crafty.
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  Speaker 1: There's a book that I want to highly recommend, especially
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  Speaker 1: you guys in the ministry or want to go in
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  Speaker 1: the ministry and you want.
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  Speaker 2: To think about Puritans. And it's a guide to the
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  Speaker 2: Puritans by Martin.
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  Speaker 1: Because I can take that book and if I say, man,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know something they wrote about propitiation.
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  Speaker 2: I look up propitiation.
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  Speaker 1: The cross of Christ and find all the best stuff
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  Speaker 1: the Puritans ever did, the page number and everything go
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  Speaker 1: right to it. There's also a thing called Encyclopedia. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how it is in English.
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  Speaker 2: Encyclopedia. Puritanica, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where you can do you can go to any verse,
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  Speaker 1: click on it and it'll give just maybe 50, 60
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  Speaker 1: different authors at times that.
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  Speaker 2: Wrote on that passage.
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  Speaker 1: So the electronics, like someone said, you know, all this
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  Speaker 1: is of the devil, you know, the Antichrist.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, I'm going to use it until
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  Speaker 2: he gets here.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of it that really, really can
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  Speaker 1: really be helpful.
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  Speaker 3: You know, another one that I've gotten recently that was
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  Speaker 3: helpful is What Luther Said.
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  Speaker 2: I've got that. Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 3: That one is an incredible resource as well. And the reason,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people here, and this is,
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  Speaker 3: somebody said something about this earlier. You talk about all
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  Speaker 3: these books because you're the generation that has learned to
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  Speaker 3: value the contemporary. And newer is always better. And when
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  Speaker 3: we talk about books that are 100 years old or
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  Speaker 3: 150 years old, let me ask you a question. Which
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  Speaker 3: books are going to last and still be in print
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  Speaker 3: and still be valuable 100 or 150 years from now?
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  Speaker 3: The most trivial or the best? So when we talk
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  Speaker 3: about this stuff that has lasted and withstood the test
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  Speaker 3: of time, 100, 200, 300 years old. We're talking about
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  Speaker 3: the cream of the crop through the ages. That's why
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  Speaker 3: these books are so important. Because nobody's done better. It's
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  Speaker 3: 300 years old and still nobody's done better.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing that my favorite books, most of them
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  Speaker 1: were recommended to me by Charles Spurgeon.
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  Speaker 2: He has a book list. Isn't it amazing?
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  Speaker 1: The greatest books that he considered to be the greatest
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  Speaker 1: books are still alive today, and they're the ones I
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  Speaker 1: consider to be the greatest books.
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  Speaker 2: They last. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Last night you spoke about the mystery and mysticism that
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  Speaker 4: people have when talking about God and his will. What
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  Speaker 4: are your thoughts on that as far as the Catholic
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  Speaker 4: Church goes, and how would you handle people believing in
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  Speaker 4: an ecumenical church type of mindset when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: Catholicism and the different belief systems in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Um mysticism ecumenism to to you know I think you
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  Speaker 3: touched on ecumenism earlier today um the idea of mysticism
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  Speaker 3: really is an anti-scriptural perspective or persuasion um So regardless
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  Speaker 3: of whether a person comes from, you know, the background
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  Speaker 3: of Catholicism and the mysticism of Catholicism or they come from,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a more charismatic bent or whatever, whatever bent
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  Speaker 3: somebody's coming from, even if they're coming from reform and
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  Speaker 3: just have been influenced by some of these things, the
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  Speaker 3: idea is that somehow in order to know what God
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  Speaker 3: desires for me to know, I've got to go outside
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  Speaker 3: of the Scriptures. The Scriptures are not sufficient to for
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  Speaker 3: me to be able to know what God intends for
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  Speaker 3: me to know. Or beyond that, there are things that
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  Speaker 3: carry more authority and more weight than what's found in
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  Speaker 3: the Scripture. And that's one of the issues there with
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  Speaker 3: Catholicism in general, you know, is that there are things
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  Speaker 3: that carry more weight than the Bible itself. And so, again,
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  Speaker 3: that's the second problem when you start talking about this
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  Speaker 3: idea of mysticism. So whenever you do that, when there
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  Speaker 3: is something that, you know, you have to go outside
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  Speaker 3: of Scripture to find God and define God's will or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And if you have something else, something subjective that actually
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  Speaker 3: carries more weight than the scriptures. I've had men on
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  Speaker 3: three occasions, three occasions this has happened to me, where
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  Speaker 3: a man has said this same phrase, God told me
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  Speaker 3: to leave my wife. On three occasions. Brother, you know
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  Speaker 3: how much Bible would have to be rewritten for God
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  Speaker 3: to have been the one who told you that? No, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: they don't care. They don't care what's written. They have
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  Speaker 3: this internal something that carries more weight than what's in
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  Speaker 3: the text. So those are the major problems with mysticism
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  Speaker 3: regardless of what stream that mysticism comes from.
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  Speaker 1: There's a thing very popular today, bridge building, which you
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  Speaker 1: have to realize when you build a bridge, it's a
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  Speaker 1: two-way street. I know a great deal about Catholicism having
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  Speaker 1: lived In my family, my mother's Croatian. The Croatians are
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  Speaker 1: about the most Catholic people on the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 1: And I lived in Peru for 10 years in Catholicism.
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  Speaker 1: I will not build bridges at all with the Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to build. We are diametrically opposed in every shape, form,
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  Speaker 1: and fashion. I will love Catholics. I will pray for them.
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  Speaker 1: I will witness to them. And I will die for
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  Speaker 1: my enemies if I have to.
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  Speaker 2: But I will build no bridge whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: The big thing that evangelicals did several years ago, some
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  Speaker 1: of them got together, even some of the respected and
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  Speaker 1: signed an alliance, a pact with the Catholic Church and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I remember a young girl coming up to me in
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  Speaker 1: Peru right after that happened. And she said, she's weeping.
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  Speaker 1: And she said, Brother Paul, I'm so glad you didn't
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  Speaker 1: sign that. And I wanted to tell her, listen, darling,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little missionary out in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: No one asked me. But she said, thank you that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't sign that.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, well, why? She says, because if you'd
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  Speaker 1: have signed that, I would still be in hell. I
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  Speaker 1: would still be going to hell. But you didn't sign
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  Speaker 1: it and you believed that you should have preached the
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  Speaker 1: gospel to me. And when you preached it, it was
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  Speaker 1: the first time I've heard it, even though I was
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  Speaker 1: raised in the Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: It's an attempt, we're always afraid that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: that got for some reason, we're afraid that if every
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  Speaker 1: human being that that we're going to lose everybody. If
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  Speaker 1: we don't do something. You know, if if we don't
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  Speaker 1: adapt this to the culture, then we're going to lose
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  Speaker 1: and not be relevant to the culture. If we don't
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  Speaker 1: reach out to this group and bend a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to lose them and never have a dialog
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  Speaker 1: with them. That is all the most foolish speech in
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  Speaker 1: the world, first of all. Tozer said, if every man
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  Speaker 1: on the earth were to go blind, it would not
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  Speaker 1: diminish the glory of the sun, the moon, and the stars.
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  Speaker 1: And in the same way, if every man became an atheist,
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  Speaker 1: it would not diminish the glory of God. So we
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  Speaker 1: don't have to bend the gospel. If every man on
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  Speaker 1: the face of the earth goes to hell because we
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  Speaker 1: won't compromise the truth, then so be it. We only
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  Speaker 1: have one option, and that is to preach what God's
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  Speaker 1: got in His Word.
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  Speaker 2: And that is all.
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  Speaker 1: And the only way to save people is to stand
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  Speaker 1: your ground and preach what's true. Preach what's true. It's
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  Speaker 1: got to be that Lutheran, Martin Luther idea of here
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  Speaker 1: I stand on the word of God. So help me God.
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  Speaker 5: I have a question for Bodie. Well, in your opinion,
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  Speaker 5: what do you think about a young Christian woman who
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  Speaker 5: wants to be an attorney because she feels like it's
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  Speaker 5: her passion to help others? It's not about the money
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  Speaker 5: or anything. It's just about her passion to help others.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, she wants a family, and
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  Speaker 5: she will not place being an attorney over being a
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  Speaker 5: mother and a wife. What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 3: I guess all things are possible with God, but I
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  Speaker 3: can't see how those two things can work together. Not
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  Speaker 3: in the context of the biblical requirements of being a
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  Speaker 3: wife and a mother. I just don't get that. I
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  Speaker 3: know people, by the way, there are people in the
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  Speaker 3: homeschool community you know, women who were attorneys and God
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  Speaker 3: gave them a husband and God gave them children and
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  Speaker 3: now they're pouring their life into that husband, into those children.
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  Speaker 3: And some of them will still, you know, write briefs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on the side from their home or they'll
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  Speaker 3: do whatever and use whatever it is that they've had.
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  Speaker 3: But again, for me, the principle is the same. The
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  Speaker 3: principle is if God has called you to be a
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  Speaker 3: wife and a mother. That's where the commitment lies. And
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  Speaker 3: this mythical idea that somehow we can go, you know,
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  Speaker 3: give the man 60, 70 hours a week and still
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  Speaker 3: do all that is required of a mother and a wife,
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  Speaker 3: that's a bill of goods. That's a bill of goods.
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  Speaker 1: I think very important here that We have to look
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  Speaker 1: at reality for a second.
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  Speaker 2: That's the first thing. The reality is.
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  Speaker 1: You know as I was. The law feels very competitive.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to even be considered.
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  Speaker 2: For a firm. Don't think of a 40 hour week.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to be a lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a doctor thinking of a 40 hour week.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. You're looking at a 60
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  Speaker 2: hour week. Minimum. And you're looking at bringing your work home.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you're called to be a lawyer and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to. I would have some issue there, but
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't fight on that issue. But I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you this, you have to make a choice. You can't
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  Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it, too. You have to
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  Speaker 1: be a lawyer and say, while I'm a lawyer, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to be married and have children or I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to have children and be married, not be a lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: But to put the two together, if you just look
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  Speaker 1: at it statistically.
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  Speaker 2: How much time? Does it take to be a good lawyer?
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  Speaker 2: Don't say, well, I can do it in 20. You can't.
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  Speaker 1: You've got that, so that's 60 hours.
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  Speaker 2: Now, most people who work 50, 60 hours a.
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  Speaker 1: Day, I mean a week, are almost dead by the
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  Speaker 1: time they get home. And the question is, what time
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  Speaker 1: are they going to get home? So you can't take
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  Speaker 1: your child to.
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  Speaker 2: The office with you.
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  Speaker 1: That's not allowed in firms. And so they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to go into child care immediately. That's where they're
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  Speaker 1: going to go. So they're going to be there at
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  Speaker 1: least eight hours until the husband picks them up, because
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  Speaker 1: unless unless he's a lawyer, he's going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get to the children before you will. And so, man,
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  Speaker 1: if you're passionate about being a lawyer, go for it.
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  Speaker 1: But just realize in my own life, in my own life,
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  Speaker 1: I have had people come to me and say, man,
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  Speaker 1: if you do this, this, your ministry will really explode.
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  Speaker 1: And man, you could have this and that and All
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  Speaker 1: these different things, and I have to tell them, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to. I can't. Why? Because I have
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  Speaker 2: a wife and I have children. I can't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I already work 50 hours.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: And this is for ministry. This is like national, you know,
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  Speaker 1: national preaching opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm a husband. I'm a father. Can't do it.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to make choices and they're big ones.
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  Speaker 6: I have a question concerning, I guess, kind of youth ministry.
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  Speaker 6: For children who aren't brought up in the home and
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  Speaker 6: they only have, like, a mother and they didn't get
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  Speaker 6: that discipleship, someone who has a passion to reach the youth,
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  Speaker 6: like they have a passion to reach college students, like
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  Speaker 6: this person might have a passion to reach youth, then
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  Speaker 6: how would you go about, like, reaching the youth if, like,
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  Speaker 6: the youth group is not, like, does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Let me explain it a couple of ways. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of times when people ask those questions about the youth group,
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  Speaker 3: It comes from a faulty assumption. And the faulty assumption
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  Speaker 3: is that right now we're doing something that's working marvelously
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  Speaker 3: to reach those kids. And if we're not doing it,
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  Speaker 3: then they won't be reached like they are now marvelously.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing could be further from the truth. Since the advent
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  Speaker 3: of youth ministry in the 1960s and 1970s, the number
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  Speaker 3: of trained youth professionals has grown exponentially. But the number
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  Speaker 3: of youth baptisms and our level of youth retention has
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  Speaker 3: declined steadily over the same period. So the more youth
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  Speaker 3: ministry to do, that we do, the less teens get
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  Speaker 3: saved and the fewer of them actually stay in the faith, okay?
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  Speaker 3: So I only have three problems with youth ministry. Number one,
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  Speaker 3: it's not scriptural. You cannot go to the Bible and
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  Speaker 3: come away with an age-graded, segregated youth ministry. You can't
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  Speaker 3: do it. Secondly, it actually works against the biblical model
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  Speaker 3: of family discipleship and actually cripples families so that they
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  Speaker 3: don't do what God's called them to do, which is
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  Speaker 3: the most effective way to do it. And thirdly, it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't worked. So we're not talking about going in and
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  Speaker 3: replacing something that is gloriously successful, okay? Here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 3: Somewhere between 70% and 88% of young people who grow
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  Speaker 3: up in our churches through our youth ministries are leaving
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  Speaker 3: the church by the end of the freshman year in college, okay?
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  Speaker 3: These are the ones who have grown up going through
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  Speaker 3: our wonderful, marvelous youth ministries. That's our failure rate, okay?
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  Speaker 3: It's absolutely pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: It's miserable. It's miserable.
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  Speaker 3: But the top indicator of whether or not young people
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  Speaker 3: stay in the faith, where, how, and by whom they're educated.
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  Speaker 3: Homeschoolers stay in the faith at a rate, all the
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  Speaker 3: way through college, at a rate of 94%. We're losing
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  Speaker 3: 70% to 88% of the young people growing up in
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  Speaker 3: our churches by the end of their freshman year in college.
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  Speaker 3: Homeschoolers stay in the faith at a rate of 94%.
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  Speaker 3: You do not have to be a statistics major to
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  Speaker 3: figure out what's most effective at retaining kids. So to me,
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  Speaker 3: the most effective youth ministry in the world is reaching
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  Speaker 3: and discipling men. If I reach and disciple a man,
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  Speaker 3: I've changed that child's life for generations. I reach that kid,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, I don't have the means to disciple
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  Speaker 3: that kid. And in fact, as one of the architects
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  Speaker 3: of the modern American education system has said, um, What
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  Speaker 3: can the theistic Sunday school, meeting for an hour a
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  Speaker 3: week with only a fraction of the children, do to
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  Speaker 3: stem the tide of a five-day-a-week program of secular human indoctrination?
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  Speaker 3: The answer, nothing. Ask the average youth minister, and not
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  Speaker 3: just the youth minister who just started. Ask a guy
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  Speaker 3: who's been doing it 15, 20 years. You know, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, ask him, do you see this? Are these
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  Speaker 3: kids living? Yes, absolutely. What we're doing is not working.
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  Speaker 3: They're leaving in droves. And then ask him another question.
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  Speaker 3: Which kids are the ones who stay? He'll give you
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  Speaker 3: two groups of kids. One, he'll say, if he's been
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  Speaker 3: doing this 15, 20 years, the kids who stay in
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  Speaker 3: the faith are, number one, the kids who don't need me.
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  Speaker 3: Their parents are their disciples. They just come here for gravy.
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  Speaker 3: Or secondly, the kid whose life is so bad that
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  Speaker 3: I've actually adopted him and he spends more time with
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  Speaker 3: me than he does with his family. Which means the
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  Speaker 3: ones who stay, stay for the same reason. Because it's
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  Speaker 3: the home or a home that is giving them the discipleship,
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  Speaker 3: not an hour a week youth program. So again, leave
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  Speaker 3: this myth that somehow we have this wonderfully effective program
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  Speaker 3: that's doing a beautiful job. It is not. It is
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  Speaker 3: broken from the word go. It has never worked. It
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  Speaker 3: is not biblical and it is not designed to do
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  Speaker 3: what it's claiming is its goal. So that's problem number one.
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  Speaker 3: Problem number two, there is something far more effective, and
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  Speaker 3: that is we reach into the lives of these men,
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  Speaker 3: and if we need to, we start schools for these
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  Speaker 3: people out there who are getting horrible educations anyway. So
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  Speaker 3: rather than an hour a week, we get that lion's
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  Speaker 3: share that schools are currently getting. Because here's why the
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  Speaker 3: schools are discipling our kids instead of us. You send
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  Speaker 3: your child to the government for his education. K-12, they
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  Speaker 3: spend 14,000 seat hours in school. 14,000 seat hours. How
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  Speaker 3: are you going to overcome that? 14,000 hours. We keep
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  Speaker 3: sending our kids to Caesar for their education. They'll keep
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  Speaker 3: coming home as Romans whether we have youth ministry or not.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that's very important. Let's just think about youth ministry.
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  Speaker 1: It is because always it's this This kid out there
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't have any Christian influence in his family and
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  Speaker 1: he comes to youth group. We got to have a
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  Speaker 1: youth group for him. Let's think about it. When he
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  Speaker 1: comes to that youth group, what is he seeing? The
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  Speaker 1: exact same thing he sees in his own home. There's
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  Speaker 1: no mother. There's no father. There's no involvement. There's a
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  Speaker 1: generation gap. It's just it's a little bit moral. And
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  Speaker 1: it talks some about a guy named Jesus. But what
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  Speaker 1: if the church.
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  Speaker 2: Caught on to men And women discipling their children. And
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  Speaker 2: then let's say that group of young people came.
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  Speaker 1: Together every once in a while for a fellowship together.
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  Speaker 1: And then these kids from outside, they go into this
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  Speaker 1: group and they go, oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: His dad.
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  Speaker 1: Is his best friend is the guy look and she's
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  Speaker 1: with her. So this is what a Christian family looks like.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what they're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: They're seeing the exact same thing that they see in
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  Speaker 1: their own families.
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  Speaker 2: Dad's nowhere around.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you see that all of this has just been
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  Speaker 1: we've bought into the world. We've bought in to exactly
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  Speaker 1: what the world does.
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  Speaker 2: Education. Absolutely everything. And it just doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: This question.
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  Speaker 6: My question is for Bodie and for Paul. When it
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  Speaker 6: comes to raising a family based on God's foundation, how
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  Speaker 6: should a single woman prepare for that now?