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The Abduction & Murder of Ashley Estell Part 2: Candy Man · Gone Cold - Texas True Crime

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Speaker 1: Gone Cold podcasts may contain violent or graphics subject matter.
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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. At a press conference shortly after
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Speaker 2: the body of seven year old Ashley Nicole Estelle was
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Speaker 2: found more than six miles from where she was last seen,
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Speaker 2: the mayor of Plano, Texas offered only somber words.
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Speaker 1: Building in Plano for about twenty two years, I'm not
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Speaker 1: aware of anything that has touched the heart and soul
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Speaker 1: of our city as this particular incident.
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Speaker 2: Though Plano police reviewed a significant number of photographs and
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Speaker 2: video footage taken at the city's Carpenter Park on September fifth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, evidence and tips leading to the person
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Speaker 2: responsible for the broad daylight abduction and subsequent murder of
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Speaker 2: the girl or few and far in between. The FBI
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Speaker 2: had entered the investigation almost immediately upon Ashley's disappearance, but
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Speaker 2: when her body was found almost exactly twenty four hours later,
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Speaker 2: they relinquished control of the case back to the local
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Speaker 2: police department. The residence of Plano, a middle class suburb
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Speaker 2: of Dallas that was deemed the safest city in the
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Speaker 2: state at the time, were in a state of shock
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Speaker 2: and panic, particularly the parents of young children. A little
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Speaker 2: over a month before, in the city directly to Plano's
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Speaker 2: southeast Garland, an eight year old boy named kem Neen vanished.
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Speaker 2: His body was discovered less than two weeks later. The
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Speaker 2: death ruled a homicide. Don't you think it's a little
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Speaker 2: strange that two children of approximately the same age disappear
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Speaker 2: and are killed within about a month of each other,
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Speaker 2: Detective Lena Kirkland of the Garland Police rhetorically asked reporters.
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Speaker 2: A few newspapers, including the Fort Worth Star Telegram, reported
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Speaker 2: that police in Plano two suspected a connection, but the
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Speaker 2: cops denied suspicion. Depending on the day of the week,
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Speaker 2: the children were last seen about eighteen miles apart, their
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Speaker 2: bodies found about thirty miles apart. Due to the public's
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Speaker 2: anger and panic, Plano Police Chief Bruce Glascock urged parents
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Speaker 2: to remember what was immediately important.
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Speaker 1: Have to continue to reinforce to your kids. There are
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Speaker 1: people out there who may hurt you and who want
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Speaker 1: to hurt you, and as a stranger, you need to
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Speaker 1: be wary of that and stay away from it.
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Speaker 2: In mid September, less than two weeks after Ashley's body
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Speaker 2: was discovered her case had gained both the attention of
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Speaker 2: several local businesses and had received national media coverage. After
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Speaker 2: United insurance companies where Ashley's father, Richard Estelle was an executive,
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Speaker 2: Shep's Dairy, Patrizio's Italian restaurant, Cafe Pacific, Egon Insurance Center,
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Speaker 2: and international marketing agencies all came together to offer individual rewards.
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Speaker 2: The total was up to sixty thousand dollars. On the
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Speaker 2: night of Tuesday, September fourteenth, nineteen ninety three, a ten
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Speaker 2: minute segment about Ashley's murder ran at the end of
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Speaker 2: the television show America's Most Wanted, a program designed to
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Speaker 2: help track down fugitives and solve crimes. In his first
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Speaker 2: publicly spoken words the slang, Girl's father, Richard Estelle, appeared
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Speaker 2: on the segment, explaining that he went to find his
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Speaker 2: daughter at the playground to see if she wanted a
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Speaker 2: coke or something else to drink, but to his horror,
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Speaker 2: could not find her. Ashley was friendly with everyone, from
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Speaker 2: kids much younger than her to elderly folks. Richard said
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Speaker 2: she wanted to play or speak with anyone she ran into.
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Speaker 2: Since there were people from all over the country attending
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Speaker 2: soccer tournament matches the day Ashley disappeared. Police hoped the
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Speaker 2: show would garner even more footage parents had taken at
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Speaker 2: Carpenter Park that they could scrutinize for more leads. Dozens
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Speaker 2: poured in that night, even before the spot ran on
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Speaker 2: the West Coast, but it was not one of these
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Speaker 2: tips that led to the break in the case. On
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Speaker 2: the very same night, America's Most Wanted featured Ashley Estelle's story.
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Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, the Plano police arrested who they believed
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Speaker 2: was the seven year old's killer. Though it appeared so
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Speaker 2: in the eyes of the public, the arrest of the
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Speaker 2: only serious suspect ever named in Ashley Estell's murder case
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Speaker 2: did not simply drop out of the clear blue sky.
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Speaker 2: On Friday, September tenth, nineteen ninety three, a day short
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Speaker 2: of a week since Ashley was abducted, evidence technicians who
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Speaker 2: were still on location processing the scene where her body
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Speaker 2: had been discovered, noticed a vehicle slowly and repeatedly driving past.
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Speaker 2: Have you got any clues, the curious man, who appeared
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Speaker 2: nervous and excited, asked them. When he finally stopped. These
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Speaker 2: crime scene technicians criminologists Daniel Rhodes and Ben Armstrong became suspicious,
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Speaker 2: particularly since the jet black hair of the man driving
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Speaker 2: the vehicle appeared from a distance to be similar to
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Speaker 2: hares found at the site Ashley Estell's body was discovered.
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Speaker 2: As this man drove off, Investigator Roads insisted they follow,
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Speaker 2: but Armstrong, as his supervisor, insisted they do no such
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Speaker 2: thing since they were unarmed and technically not police officers. Rhodes, however,
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Speaker 2: would not budge, and they began following the curious strange man,
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Speaker 2: who they finally got to pull over. When the car
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Speaker 2: rolled to a stop, they approached and confronted the driver.
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Speaker 2: He rolled down the window of his Ford Explorer and
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Speaker 2: seemed apprehensive, unnecessarily nervous for someone who had nothing to hide.
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Speaker 2: The man perusing the scene, the criminologists learned was twenty
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Speaker 2: three year old Michael Nawie Blair, a Dallas carpet cleaner.
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Speaker 2: Upon noticing some stuffed animals in the back seat of
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Speaker 2: his car, Rhodes questioned him about them, and Blair reportedly
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Speaker 2: told him those aren't my teddy bears. I found them
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Speaker 2: this morning. He had been a volunteer helping with the
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Speaker 2: search efforts, Blair told the crime scene technicians. Because of
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Speaker 2: this claim, the Dallas Observer reported, Armstrong suggested they let
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Speaker 2: the guy go about his business. Rhodes, however, insisted on
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Speaker 2: calling a patrol officer to take the man into custody.
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Speaker 2: When a patrolman arrived, Armstrong ordered that he and Rhodes
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Speaker 2: leave the scene and let the officer handle the situation.
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Speaker 2: They left, and after asking a few questions, the officer
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Speaker 2: released Blair. Things might have ended here, at least for
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Speaker 2: a while, had the patrolman not noticed that Blair was
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Speaker 2: heading back to the crime scene, after which the officer
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Speaker 2: asked him to go to the station. When Blair arrived
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Speaker 2: at the Plano Police Department, criminologist Daniel Rhodes learned that
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Speaker 2: no one had stayed with him. Rhodes quickly made his
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Speaker 2: way to Blair's Ford Explorer and hopped in the passenger seat,
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Speaker 2: a detail that will be of some importance later on,
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Speaker 2: directed him to a parking spot and escorted him into
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Speaker 2: the building. The preceding account, it should be noted, is
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Speaker 2: what happened according to criminologist Daniel Rhodes, and although most
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Speaker 2: details have been verified, some are his own accounts. Including
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Speaker 2: accusations will get to later. For the following nine hours,
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Speaker 2: detectives questioned Michael Nawie Blair and then released him, but
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Speaker 2: not before they gathered some evidence from his car. Blair
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Speaker 2: was placed under twenty four hour surveillance as police began
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Speaker 2: tracking his every move. At one point, Blair was brought
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Speaker 2: back into the police station for further questioning about Ashley's
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Speaker 2: murder and again released. The man hadn't previously been a
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Speaker 2: suspect in the investigation, but his odd behavior raised suspicion
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Speaker 2: with investigators enough to add him to the very short list.
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Speaker 2: As they continued looking into him, detectives found out Michael
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Speaker 2: Blair had a pertinent criminal record when he was eighteen
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Speaker 2: years old. In November of nineteen eighty eight, Blair was
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Speaker 2: charged with and convicted of two felonies, burglary of a
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Speaker 2: habitation and indecency with a child. If the cops had
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Speaker 2: any doubts about Blair's guilt in Ashley Estell's case after
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Speaker 2: his initial interview, those doubts were all but erased when
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Speaker 2: they discovered this past. Although the public had no idea
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Speaker 2: an arrest was imminent, the Dallas Morning News later reported
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Speaker 2: that Blair called them the day after his surveillance, began
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Speaker 2: to proclaim his innocence and complain about police harassment towards
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Speaker 2: himself and his friends. Over four conversations with editors and
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Speaker 2: a reporter at the newspaper, he also revealed that he
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Speaker 2: had joined the search party for Ashley that Sunday. He
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Speaker 2: said he heard about her disappearance on a Christian radio
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Speaker 2: station he was listening to. The story touched him, Blair continued,
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Speaker 2: and he volunteered. As far as the stuffed animals in
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Speaker 2: his vehicle were concerned, He told the Dallas Morning News
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Speaker 2: that he had merely discovered them inside a trash bin
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Speaker 2: not far from where the body was discovered. It is
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Speaker 2: unclear if he offered an explanation for the other damning
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Speaker 2: items within, or if the newspaper even knew about them
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Speaker 2: at the time. This included a Quaker oatmeal cylindrical box
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Speaker 2: wrapped in ornate paper and filled with chocolates and other
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Speaker 2: candy items that likely disgusted those who found them, Whether
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Speaker 2: due to the scrutiny of constant police surveillance or another reason.
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Speaker 2: Police did not know Blair's roommate, who was also his employer,
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Speaker 2: kicked him out of their apartment and he moved into
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Speaker 2: a Motel six in Plano. By the following Tuesday, September fourteenth,
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Speaker 2: after days of surveillance, Blair was arrested at the motel
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Speaker 2: at eleven fifty five pm without incident and taken into custody.
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Speaker 2: It was just hours after Ashley's case was featured on
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Speaker 2: America's Most Wanted. Police stated that Blair was cooperative as
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Speaker 2: they interrogated him, but he continued to maintain his innocence.
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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, he was charged with capital murder for the
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Speaker 2: killing of Ashley Estelle, which if found guilty, would result
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Speaker 2: in either a sentence of life imprisonment or death. At
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Speaker 2: a press conference the same day, Plaino Police stated that
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Speaker 2: there were no other suspects in the case, but that
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Speaker 2: they would continue to investigate other leads they receive. During
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Speaker 2: the conference, Plaino Police Chief Bruce Glascock described how the
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Speaker 2: suspect's odd behavior began their interest in him, essentially how
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Speaker 2: Blair's own actions led to his entering the small suspect pool.
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Speaker 3: He was questioned. In fact, he was questioned on that
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Speaker 3: the day that we observed him, and that initiated and
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Speaker 3: started the development of both information and evidence from our
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Speaker 3: point of contact on Friday afternoon.
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Speaker 2: If Blair had simply steered clear, the cops would likely
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Speaker 2: have not known about him for at least some time.
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Speaker 2: Police also stated that, with Blair's permission, they had searched
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Speaker 2: his car and taken hair samples from it. They said
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Speaker 2: that a lab analysis found that those hairs matched Ashley's.
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Speaker 2: It was that physical evidence, in fact, that finally led
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Speaker 2: to his arrest. Also at this time, police announced that
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Speaker 2: there was no apparent connection between Ashley's case and the
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Speaker 2: abduction and slang two months prior of kem Newen from
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Speaker 2: nearby Garland, Texas. It was not a comfort to the
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Speaker 2: public that there was still someone out there who was
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Speaker 2: responsible for killing a child. At this point, too, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't only Ashley and Kim's cases that were on the
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Speaker 2: mines of residence from around the region. Older folks began
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Speaker 2: recalling other child murders around Dallas, particularly those that remained unsolved.
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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety three, there were many such cases, most
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Speaker 2: of which have long gone cold. In nineteen seventy four,
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Speaker 2: fifteen year old Christine Mitchell disappeared from Oak Cliff and
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Speaker 2: was slain Twelve year old Susy Mage's was abducted from
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Speaker 2: Denton in September of nineteen seventy seven, and her body
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Speaker 2: was found floating in a South Dallas gravel pit in
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Speaker 2: early October that year. Just prior to that, in February
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Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy seven, seven year old Ladina McCoy was
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Speaker 2: snatched off the street of East Dallas. Her remains were
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Speaker 2: found four months later. Six year old tyres Raah Heath
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Speaker 2: vanished from her Mesquite apartment complex just east of Dallas
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Speaker 2: in late June nineteen seventy nine, and her body was
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Speaker 2: discovered in a shallow grave nine days later after police
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Speaker 2: received an anonymous tip. In October nineteen seventy nine, Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: Barclay was kidnapped from her apartment complex in North Dallas,
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Speaker 2: but her remains weren't discovered for nearly two months. On
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Speaker 2: the day after Christmas in nineteen eighty three, two year
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Speaker 2: old Amber Crumb vanished from her father's car and is
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Speaker 2: still missing to this day. Just over a year later,
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Speaker 2: in January of nineteen eighty five, five year old Christy
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Speaker 2: Meeks was abducted from Mesquite. Her body was found in
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Speaker 2: Lake Texoma about one hundred miles north. Almost four months later.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen year old Jennifer Day disappeared from North Dallas in
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Speaker 2: June of that year. A month later, her body was
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Speaker 2: found hidden near Preston Road and Highway one twenty one
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Speaker 2: in Plano, ten miles north of where she was last seen,
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Speaker 2: hidden in two feet tall overgrown brush. In February nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty six, ten year old Christy Proctor vanished while walking
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Speaker 2: to her North Dallas apartment. Her skeletal remains weren't found
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Speaker 2: for more than two years until April of nineteen eighty
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Speaker 2: eight in a Plano field. Three year old Roxanne Reyes
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Speaker 2: was abducted from Garland in November nineteen eighty seven, and
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Speaker 2: her remains were not found for almost six months in
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Speaker 2: late May of the following year. Ten year old Tasha
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Speaker 2: Wright disappeared from East Dallas in October of nineteen eighty
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Speaker 2: nine and is still missing today. Serial child murderer David
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Speaker 2: Elliott Penton was linked to the kidnapping and murders of
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Speaker 2: Christy Meeks, Christine and Roxanne Reyes in two thousand and three,
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Speaker 2: but in nineteen ninety three these then unsolved disappearances and
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Speaker 2: murders weighed heavy on the minds of North Texas residents,
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Speaker 2: and these are far from the only cases. As soon
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Speaker 2: as Michael Naui Blair was arrested for the abduction and
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Speaker 2: murder of seven year old Ashley Estelle, the media began
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Speaker 2: reporting about his criminal record again. According to court documents,
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Speaker 2: he had previously been convicted on two felony charges of
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Speaker 2: burglary of a habitation and in decency with a child
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight. The reports related to this incident
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Speaker 2: are disturbing. They note that Blair, then eighteen years old,
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Speaker 2: broke in through the window of a Dallas apartment and
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Speaker 2: sexually assaulted an eleven year old girl. The girl awoke
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Speaker 2: to find Blair kissing and touching her, and when she
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Speaker 2: began to scream and struggle, he fled. According to the records,
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Speaker 2: a week later, Blair returned to the same apartment, leaned
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Speaker 2: into the window onto her bed, and tried to kidnap
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Speaker 2: the girl by pulling her through the window. Michael Blair
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Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to these charges, but not before denying his
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Speaker 2: true intentions of raping this little girl. The coward claimed
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Speaker 2: that he had merely reached in the window in order
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Speaker 2: to close it because he observed that it was open.
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Speaker 2: Blair was sentenced to ten years imprisonment on each count,
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Speaker 2: with the sentences to run concurrently, but he was approved
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Speaker 2: for parole in April of nineteen eighty nine, on literally
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Speaker 2: the first day he became eligible, so he was released
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Speaker 2: from prison in April of nineteen ninety after serving just
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Speaker 2: eighteen months. One of the many examples of this type
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Speaker 2: of high risk offender, of which which the Texas prison
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Speaker 2: system recklessly released over and over in the eighties and
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Speaker 2: nineties due to prison over crowding, Blair was largely able
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Speaker 2: to put these offenses behind him and move on without
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Speaker 2: the awareness of parents who might have lived near him,
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Speaker 2: as this was seven years before laws were passed that
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Speaker 2: required convicted sex offenders to register in a national database,
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Speaker 2: and long before computers with Internet access were a standard
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Speaker 2: in every home. After his arrest for allegedly abducting and
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Speaker 2: murdering Ashleigh, the fact that Michael Nawie Blair only served
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Speaker 2: eighteen months of a ten year sentence for such a
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Speaker 2: horrible crime caused outrage among the community. After all, if
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Speaker 2: he had served the full ten years, or at least
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Speaker 2: most of it, he would have still been in jail
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Speaker 2: the day the Estelle family went to Carpenter Park to
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Speaker 2: watch the soccer tournaments. Two days after Blair's arrest, Thursday
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Speaker 2: September sixteenth, Ashley's father, Richard Estelle, spoke at a meeting
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Speaker 2: where a state panel was reviewing police policies. Richard conveyed
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Speaker 2: his outrage against Texas's good time policy that allowed inmates
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Speaker 2: to receive good conduct credits even after they faced disciplinary
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Speaker 2: actions or commit new crimes while in prison. Michael Blair's
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Speaker 2: brief stay in prison for burglary and indecency with a
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Speaker 2: child was stained with numerous disciplinary violations, including a violation
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Speaker 2: of possessions of a weapon rule in prison, but the
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Speaker 2: way the policy worked, inmates could still go on to
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Speaker 2: receive so called good time credits. Dell told the panel
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Speaker 2: it's the Texas system that gave him the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: go back out on the street. I want them to
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Speaker 2: abolish the good time policy altogether. Speaking softly and choking
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Speaker 2: a bit on his words, he added, if the State
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Speaker 2: of Texas had done its job, my beautiful daughter might
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Speaker 2: be alive today. The good time policy was meant to
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Speaker 2: apply to only minor crimes. But it was being abused.
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Speaker 2: At the time Blair was paroled, as Texas was dealing
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Speaker 2: with massive prison overcrowding issues and the administration started using
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Speaker 2: early parole as a means to deal with it. Violent
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Speaker 2: offenders were often chosen for parole over small time drug offenders.
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Speaker 2: When a new administration took over, they stopped this practice,
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Speaker 2: but much too late for Blair to be kept behind
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Speaker 2: bars facing intense media pressure. As an excuse, the Parole
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Speaker 2: Board stated that somehow Blair's indecency with a child and
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Speaker 2: burglary convictions were separated, with the panel only seeing the
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Speaker 2: burglary conviction. A spokeswoman for the Texas Board of Pardons
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Speaker 2: and Paroles told KXASTV in Dallas, to the best of
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Speaker 2: my knowledge, the board did not have any information on
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Speaker 2: Blair's conviction for indecency with a child when they paroled
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Speaker 2: him on the burglary conviction. This was nothing short of
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Speaker 2: utter bullshit. WFAA Channel eight's Robert Riggs conducted extensive reporting
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Speaker 2: on the case, particularly of the shortcomings of the parole board.
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Speaker 2: The Texas Criminal Justice Department tried to keep an investigation
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Speaker 2: into Michael Blair's early parole confidential but Riggs, one of
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Speaker 2: the area's last hard hitting television reporters, exposed the findings.
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Speaker 2: He uncovered that the Texas Board of Parole and Prisons
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Speaker 2: committed over two dozen mistakes in relation to Michael Naui Blair,
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Speaker 2: and that they lied about the panel not having information
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Speaker 2: on his indecency with the child conviction. The information was
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Speaker 2: actually in Blair's file, but the Parole Board was in
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Speaker 2: such a hurry to release inmates that they did not
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Speaker 2: read the full file and then tried to cover that
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Speaker 2: fact up. The panel also did not review and consider
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Speaker 2: Blair's prison disciplinary record before they granted him parole. On
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Speaker 2: top of all that, after Blair's release, a parole officer
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Speaker 2: failed to report additional child molestation allegations against him. Ashley
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Speaker 2: Estell's father, Richard, called for the entire report to be
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Speaker 2: publicly released. He insisted Governor Ann Richard's release the report
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Speaker 2: in the interest and the safety of people all across
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Speaker 2: the state, which he said was much more important to
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Speaker 2: me than anybody worrying about their job or whether they
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Speaker 2: screwed up. They are playing political games, They are dealing
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Speaker 2: with people's lives, and all they are worried about is votes.
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Speaker 2: My primary concern right now is that it does not continue,
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Speaker 2: that more people don't have it happen to them. Nothing
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Speaker 2: can bring back my daughter, but maybe it can help
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Speaker 2: someone else. After a lengthy four month battle, Texas Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Dan Morales finally ordered criminal justice officials to release
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Speaker 2: the report publicly under the state's Open Records Act, a
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Speaker 2: law that has ironically named given the state's propensity to
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Speaker 2: deny virtually every public request made without either being sued
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Speaker 2: or being the target of a campaign that the entirety
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Speaker 2: of the state's media obsessively reports on. The neglige that
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Speaker 2: was uncovered in the released report only increased the public's outrage.
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Speaker 2: State Senator Florence Shapiro of Plano, who initiated the investigation
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Speaker 2: in the first place, now called for changes. There are
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Speaker 2: tremendous changes that need to be made. Shapiro said, there
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Speaker 2: is a broken system in place that allows someone like
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Speaker 2: a Michael Blair to get through a system with paperwork
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Speaker 2: that is in shambles and with information that is not
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Speaker 2: going from one agency to another, and it has got
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Speaker 2: to stop. Now is the time to finally make the
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Speaker 2: changes to have Richard to stell and local politicians advocate
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Speaker 2: for these changes was vital to some positive rules and
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Speaker 2: legislation that exists to this day. But unfortunately, as is
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Speaker 2: generally the case with such changes, the system is still,
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Speaker 2: as former state Senator and former mayor of Plano, Florence
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Speaker 2: Shapiro might say, in shambles, arguably for many eventually, including
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Speaker 2: Colin County prosecutors. The trial of Michael Nawie Blair was
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Speaker 2: an example of a vastly different problem with the Texas
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