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Recovery Chronicles Ep. 188 - Sue Kaylor · Recovery Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Hello, This is Jennifer with Recovery Chronicles and I am
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Speaker 1: doing a three part series about prevention here in North Dakota.
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Speaker 1: So today I have Sue Kaylor with me from Bismarck
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Speaker 1: Burley Public Health and we are going to talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit about what Bismarck does as far as prevention.
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Speaker 2: So welcome Sue, Thank you for having me. I work
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Speaker 2: at Bismarck Burley Public Health and I oversee the substance
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Speaker 2: abuse Prevention program, which is based on three different grants.
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Speaker 2: Our first one, our original one, is tobacco prevention, so
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Speaker 2: we assist people with quitting but also try to prevent
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Speaker 2: youth from starting and young people. So there's We're based
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Speaker 2: on three best practices for the Center of Disease Control.
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Speaker 2: The first one is the prevention of youth and young
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Speaker 2: adults from starting. Our second one is protecting people from
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Speaker 2: secondhand smoke and vapes, and our third is assisting people
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Speaker 2: with quitting resources, and we do that also for youth,
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Speaker 2: which I'll explain a little bit more today for you.
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Speaker 2: My next grant is the State Opioid Response Grant, and
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Speaker 2: that is educating our community and training our community on
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Speaker 2: how to use NARCAN and we to reduce people dying
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Speaker 2: from overdoses from opioids. We also place narcan in our
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Speaker 2: communities located with your ads at your office buildings or
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Speaker 2: if you go to Kirkwood Mall, all of our public
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Speaker 2: schools and private schools have dark camp place there. Our
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Speaker 2: third one, our third portion of our program is prevention
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Speaker 2: of underage drinking and underage marijuana use. And as you know,
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Speaker 2: as I've said prevention, a lot of public health units
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Speaker 2: are about preventing promoting, which is educating and protecting. So
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Speaker 2: those are that's our model for public health. I'm here
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Speaker 2: in Bismarck. There are people across the state of North
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Speaker 2: Dakota that are located at other public health units that
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Speaker 2: do similar jobs there too. Like I'm explaining so perfect.
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Speaker 1: So going back, I know this is question isn't on
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Speaker 1: our list, but going back to the smoking kind of
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Speaker 1: prevention with kids, what are some of the things that
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Speaker 1: you work on in that area.
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Speaker 2: So with our youth, we have we have a tobacco
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Speaker 2: prevention specialist who oversees the youth and young adults. In
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Speaker 2: the fall, we host a event that is statewide. We
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Speaker 2: have one here in Bismarck, and then there's another one
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Speaker 2: over in Fargo, and it's called their Youth Action Summit.
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Speaker 2: At that event, we bring in a national speaker and
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Speaker 2: then youth from the west side of the state comes
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Speaker 2: to Bismarck and we have information on the latest trends,
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Speaker 2: but all the tobacco industry is marketing and what things
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Speaker 2: they can do back at their schools for peer to
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Speaker 2: peer education. It was phenomenal this year. It was the
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Speaker 2: biggest we've had. We had two hundred and thirty three
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Speaker 2: students that arrived. We had a national speaker that was
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Speaker 2: from Truth Initiative, Samuel Allen, and it was phenomenal. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of hard to show over the radio, but as
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Speaker 2: you can tell my my voice, it was an excellent
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Speaker 2: event from that. Here in the Bismarck area, in our
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Speaker 2: middle school and high school, we have youth groups clubs
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Speaker 2: and they work on different events during the year. So
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Speaker 2: in the fall, if you've ever heard about the Great
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Speaker 2: Americans spoke Out, it was a day that originated to
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Speaker 2: assist people to just quit for one day. Well, now
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Speaker 2: we're vape. Now we have a new product out there
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Speaker 2: with vapings, so a lot of times it's educating about
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Speaker 2: what the vapes are and for kids to be aware
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Speaker 2: of that and then what resources there are for quitting.
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Speaker 2: Throughout the year, our groups in the middle school and
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Speaker 2: high school do different activities to educate. We also have
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Speaker 2: a youth board called the Break for Youth Board. It's
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Speaker 2: made up of eleven members and that's from our area
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Speaker 2: high school and they are they learn leadership skills, speaking skills.
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Speaker 2: They actually now in January till the spring, we'll be
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Speaker 2: doing peer to peer education with our fifth grade when
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Speaker 2: with that being said, they go into different fifth grade
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Speaker 2: classrooms in our elementary schools. They will be doing a
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Speaker 2: presentation called Flavors plus Nicotine Equals Addiction and it's to
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Speaker 2: bring awareness of how the tobacco industry markets these products.
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Speaker 2: We also our Tobacco Prevention Coordinators does a presentation on
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Speaker 2: refusal skills, So what to do when you're in that
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Speaker 2: situation in somebody offers you a vabe or a tobacco product,
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Speaker 2: how can you say? Now, we've been doing that refusal
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Speaker 2: skills training lately. It's been with our church. Youth groups
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Speaker 2: have been inviting us in which is pretty cool. Our
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Speaker 2: other activity that we do is called Hidden in Plain Sight.
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Speaker 2: We will be hosting one of those events here at
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Speaker 2: our local elementary school and they'll invite their middle school
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Speaker 2: and a high school that feed into it. That has
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Speaker 2: been going on for the last three years. It started
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Speaker 2: out in the Bismarck public schools, then we moved it
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Speaker 2: to our private schools, and this last fall we were
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Speaker 2: at the North Dakota Council of Education leaders moving into
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Speaker 2: the school staff to educate them to be aware of
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Speaker 2: what are some of those hidden things to be aware of?
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Speaker 2: If you find them, what they are, how do I
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Speaker 2: address them? Awesome?
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Speaker 1: So when you talk about like vaping and like the
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Speaker 1: flavors and things like that, what trends are you seeing
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Speaker 1: as far as like what they're marketing to kids and
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Speaker 1: or what parents should do or anything about that or.
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Speaker 2: With that question, It seems like every year there's something
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Speaker 2: new that comes out on the market. And I think
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Speaker 2: when vapes showed up, the e cigarettes, the electronic cigarettes,
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Speaker 2: they have evolved there. If you've ever seen there was
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Speaker 2: like a big device you've seen somebody's puffing on that
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Speaker 2: was called the mod system. We're now over with disposable
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Speaker 2: vapes that are very smaller, very easy to conceal. They
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Speaker 2: come a variety of different flavors, so that fifteen thousand
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Speaker 2: different flavors are out there. So anything you can think of,
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Speaker 2: you enjoy. They have developed a flavor for it. It's
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Speaker 2: not like the cigarette smoke, you know, when you smell
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Speaker 2: it the vapes, it's a fruity smell that you're trying
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Speaker 2: to put a finger on. Where is this coming from?
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Speaker 2: That is where the vapes come from. They have a
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Speaker 2: higher level of nicotine in it in than a pack
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Speaker 2: of cigarettes, which makes it real difficult too when people
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Speaker 2: are using them, because they tend to take a couple
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Speaker 2: of puffs, or they might wake up in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the night and puff on their vape and the
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Speaker 2: addiction becomes very strong. Our new product that's on the
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Speaker 2: market is called nicotine pouches. They look like they're similar
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Speaker 2: to their like chewing tobacco that were in pouches. They're
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Speaker 2: called nicotine pouches now and they try to market a
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Speaker 2: mass tobacco free because it's just nicotine. Well, the tobacco
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Speaker 2: plant is where you get the nicotine. So the poweh
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Speaker 2: says nicotine, it contains nicotine is addicting. So now it's
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Speaker 2: educating on that every year it seems like we're there's
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Speaker 2: a new product that's showing up that we have to
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Speaker 2: let our community know about and our youth to be
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Speaker 2: aware of the power of that addiction to the nicotine products.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I mean vapes kind of we're first
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Speaker 1: marketed as almost like a safer alternative, but I work
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Speaker 1: on the heartview side of the some of the tobacco
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Speaker 1: grams and they're so much harder to quick because they're
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Speaker 1: so strong, and I think a lot of people don't
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Speaker 1: realize that and so addicting. So, yeah, is there anything
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Speaker 1: else new? You talked about the Hidden Plaint site. That's
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Speaker 1: really cool program. Is there anything else new happening in
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Speaker 1: Bismarck regarding prevention?
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Speaker 2: I would say we're kind of trying to get the
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Speaker 2: message out to our parents and on what to be
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Speaker 2: aware of, how to spot those high risky behaviors or signs,
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Speaker 2: but also given the tools for communicating how to talk
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Speaker 2: to your youth, your child about different substances, and how
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Speaker 2: to start that conversation and to keep that conversation going.
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Speaker 2: I would say those are Oh, I have one more
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Speaker 2: thing that's happening. Good question with our prevention of underage
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Speaker 2: drinking and underage marijuana youth. We have our we have
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Speaker 2: a youth group with that, a youth coalition, and they
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Speaker 2: are there's actually twenty members which is awesome, from two
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Speaker 2: different schools, and they're going to do peer to peer
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Speaker 2: education with the middle schoolers. Their project is called Things
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Speaker 2: to Know about Alcohol. But they're doing it in a
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Speaker 2: manner of a kind of similar to a monopoly game
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Speaker 2: where they will have teams and they will have ID cards,
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Speaker 2: and they will have a banker, and in the PowerPoint
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Speaker 2: slide they will learn about, you know, what's the risks
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Speaker 2: of drinking alcohol, But also they will have this ID
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Speaker 2: card that a question will pop up like did you
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Speaker 2: eat five vegetables today or three servings of vegetables? And
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Speaker 2: if you said yes, you would get paid money. If
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Speaker 2: you said no, you'd have to pay the banker. So
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Speaker 2: at the end of this presentation, besides learning mass skills
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Speaker 2: and learning about the health and learning about alcohol, they
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Speaker 2: will also it kind of brings in real life in
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Speaker 2: a way, if you're making healthy choices, better choices for you,
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Speaker 2: if you're making choices that affect your health hull that
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Speaker 2: occurs with spending money on that for sure. Yeah, have.
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Speaker 1: What trends are you seeing as far as youth usage
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Speaker 1: in Chismeric and Braley County in the area, we use
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Speaker 1: the Youth Risk Behavioral Survey, which is done every two
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Speaker 1: years and we that's our data trend line that we
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Speaker 1: go with and what we've seen over the years.
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Speaker 2: From twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three is the latest
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Speaker 2: data that we've had. We have had seen a decrease
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Speaker 2: a seven percent decrease in alcohol use. We have seen
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Speaker 2: a little bit of increase with marijuana use about one
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Speaker 2: point five. With tobacco products as a whole, we have
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Speaker 2: seen a decrease too of nine percent. Vaping was really
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Speaker 2: high for a while there. It is now decreasing, but
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Speaker 2: we have a little bit uptake over on they call
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Speaker 2: it non combustible products, So you're talking about the nicotine
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Speaker 2: poaches and the cigars, okay, which is combustible both too.
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Speaker 1: Share Why is it important for parents to be involved
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Speaker 1: and having conversations about alcohol and jugs when if kids
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Speaker 1: are teens, So it's.
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Speaker 2: Really important to start when they're early to start laying
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Speaker 2: that groundwork and having that discussion and using those teachable
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Speaker 2: moments about what is healthy use and what is unhealthy use,
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Speaker 2: what is what the products? You know what this is,
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Speaker 2: so they're aware of it. Sometimes we're having with even
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Speaker 2: in the elementary level, is that maybe their friend saw
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Speaker 2: their parents use it or older brother use it and
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Speaker 2: they bring it to school like a vape, which is unfortunate,
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Speaker 2: or even with alcohol or pills. So it's like being
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Speaker 2: aware of what you're taking from you know what is
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Speaker 2: being offered, and also how to say no or not
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Speaker 2: to take things from your friends. You don't know what
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Speaker 2: it is. So it's educating and talking with them early
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Speaker 2: on and taking that teachable moment, and you also want
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Speaker 2: to continue that in middle school. This is not just
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Speaker 2: a one time conversation to have. This is an ongoing
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Speaker 2: conversation in high school or students. Are you are our
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Speaker 2: kids when they get to high school. I know they're
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Speaker 2: so busy and they're getting jobs and they're in sports
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Speaker 2: or clubs. It's finding that time to you know, have
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Speaker 2: that meal if you can, but to have those conversations
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Speaker 2: if it's in the car at meal time, or to
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Speaker 2: just talk about what's going on and let them know
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Speaker 2: that you're aware of You know, we've seen so much
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Speaker 2: how this has evolved with the tobacco products, like you know, hey,
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Speaker 2: have you heard about these fapes? What do you know
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Speaker 2: about them? And sometimes you might not have all the
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Speaker 2: answers too, so it's learning together. Sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have two little kids, and I think that
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Speaker 1: what's easiest for me is having I think there are
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Speaker 1: so many moments like you walk out of a store
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Speaker 1: and there's somebody smoking or something, and I do always
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Speaker 1: want them to wait until we're not standing right in
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Speaker 1: front of that person.
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Speaker 2: To ask those questions.
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Speaker 1: But like, by nature of my job too, I think
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Speaker 1: they have a lot of questions all the time.
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Speaker 2: So having those conversations.
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Speaker 1: About like like why do you people use alcohol as
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Speaker 1: something my daughter will ask in minutes. You know, people
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Speaker 1: think it makes them feel better for a little bit,
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Speaker 1: but then it can It can be really addictive and
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Speaker 1: it can cause a lot of problems and if you
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Speaker 1: use too much, and as for you as a child,
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Speaker 1: it can be really bad for your brain. And kind
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Speaker 1: of having those conversations throughout life maybe makes it a
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Speaker 1: little less daunting than thinking like you have to sit
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Speaker 1: down with your middle schooler and have this like big conversation.
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Speaker 1: I think scares parents sometimes too, So yeah, so what
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Speaker 1: tools or resources. H does your organization have for parents
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Speaker 1: or caregivers who want to prevent substance use in their children.
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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm with Bismarck Burley Public Health and so we're
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Speaker 2: with the City of Bismarck, and if you go to
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Speaker 2: the City of Bismarck website, go down to Bismarck Burly
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Speaker 2: Public Health to the Substance Abuse Prevention tab. We have
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Speaker 2: a hidden in plane site, virtual bedroom and car and
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Speaker 2: there are videos that you click on it and it
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Speaker 2: will it will pop up what is this? What to
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Speaker 2: look for? We have school resource officers that are there
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Speaker 2: PYB so Plice see Bureau, myself and another tobacco prevention
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Speaker 2: specialist and we share about what the different items are
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Speaker 2: and then we also talk about what resources are there. Parents.
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Speaker 2: Lead is one of those big ones that you've your
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Speaker 2: previous episode had shared about. So that's an awesome website
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Speaker 2: to go to. Along with our website, there are handouts
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Speaker 2: and infographics. If you're looking for something, our phone numbers
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Speaker 2: on there, give us a call and we can help
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Speaker 2: you out. We do a variety of different presentations in
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Speaker 2: the community, so give us a call to if you
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Speaker 2: want a presentation to your youth group, or we've gone
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Speaker 2: into boy Scouts, we've gone into four age clubs to present,
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Speaker 2: or if you yourself are having to do a presentation,
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Speaker 2: let us know and we can connect you with those
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Speaker 2: websites that are really good to go to. The Center
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Speaker 2: for Disease Control is a great website to SANSA. One
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Speaker 2: that maybe people have not really heard a lot about
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Speaker 2: is Johnny Ambassadors. It is about marijuana and the person
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Speaker 2: who started this lost her son to marijuana youth and
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Speaker 2: so she's got great resources there about what to be
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Speaker 2: aware of. But how do you talk to yours How
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Speaker 2: do you talk to your son or daughter about that?
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Speaker 2: So those are a couple that I can offer. As
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Speaker 2: I said, with public health, we're all about prevent, promote
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Speaker 2: and protect. Awesome.
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Speaker 1: So what are some common myths parents or caregivers believe
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Speaker 1: about teen substance use?
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Speaker 2: Sure? And before we go there, yeah, well, Nick for
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Speaker 2: quitting tobacco and nicotine products. We do have a couple
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Speaker 2: great things that are out there, like endy Quits. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure you're well aware of that. One that is a
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Speaker 2: free program that's here in our state that people can
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Speaker 2: call to. They can call the number one a hander quits,
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Speaker 2: or they can go on the website and they can
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Speaker 2: talk to a counselor by phone or through a chat
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Speaker 2: with that one. If you qualify, you do receive two
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Speaker 2: months free of nicotine replacement therapy. So that's your patch,
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Speaker 2: your gum, and your logines. I've also teamed up with
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Speaker 2: our local pharmacy here and the pharmacists can now prescribe
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Speaker 2: nicotine replacement therapy if you didn't want to have that
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Speaker 2: prescribed by your doctor, which is kind of cool too
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Speaker 2: because they look at all your meds and tell which
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Speaker 2: one's going to fit you the best. Bismarck really Public Health,
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Speaker 2: they can come in and see myself. I'm a trained
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Speaker 2: certified through MAO Clinic as a tobacco treatment specialist, so
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Speaker 2: we do individual counseling with our youth too. On Bismarck
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Speaker 2: Public Schools, Cake Gardner is a tobacco treatment specialist there
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Speaker 2: and she will see kids to assist them with what
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Speaker 2: resources and they'll develop a plan for them. And we
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Speaker 2: have the My Life, My Quit. It's another program geared
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Speaker 2: towards thirteen to seventeen year olds and it's an app
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Speaker 2: but also text messaging, which is pretty cool. Very cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of Teitans feel more comfortable
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Speaker 1: with like the text message option and things, so that's
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Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, okay, now now my next question, what
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Speaker 1: are some common myths parents believe about teen substance youth?
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Speaker 2: So if you talk about it, they're going to do it, sure,
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Speaker 2: which is is very much a myth that you need
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Speaker 2: to just kind of let that go and focus on
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Speaker 2: having that comment conversation, right. It's it gives them the
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Speaker 2: knowledge of where you stand on that subject and the
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Speaker 2: information you can provide, so they're not just you know,
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Speaker 2: thinking it's all what they see on TV or seeing
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Speaker 2: the movies or the influencers, you know, to have those
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Speaker 2: honest conversations, not just having one conversation just once. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and that it's it's also setting. It's also the thing
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Speaker 2: that I would know if my kid was using just
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Speaker 2: just step back and if the child's behavior, if it's changing,
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Speaker 2: it's not like it's you don't communicate, they're kind of
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Speaker 2: shutting down, they're not talking with you, start having trying
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Speaker 2: to get those conversations started. It's not easy to spot
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Speaker 2: vaping for some people. It's it's been real sealed. We
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Speaker 2: call it that's why we have that event called hidden
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Speaker 2: in place silent site, because it seems kind of stealth
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Speaker 2: is what's happening. So being aware if there's different form,
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Speaker 2: different chargers in their rooms or in their car, if
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Speaker 2: you're smelling a lot of fruity smell, you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: ask a lot of questions and be involved the misconception.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, when vapes came out, it was it
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Speaker 2: was sold as well, this is safer. It's just a
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Speaker 2: water vapor. It's actually an aerosol, but it was the
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Speaker 2: tobacco industry trying to sell you something safe. They haven't
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Speaker 2: been approved as a way of quitting nicotine. So that's
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Speaker 2: the other thing, is like, oh, this is going to
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Speaker 2: be a safer way or a healthy, healthier way of
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Speaker 2: using nicotine. It isn't. Nicotine is still addicting. The nicotine
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Speaker 2: pouches they say, well, there's not a you're not there's
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Speaker 2: no smoke. Well, placing it in your mouth and there's
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Speaker 2: oral health issues to be aware of. So the receding
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Speaker 2: gum lines or gum decay or teeth decay are the
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Speaker 2: side effects with that. So it's kind of the myth
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Speaker 2: of here's this new product it's going to be better,
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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, step back, it's still nicotine. It's
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Speaker 2: still addicting, and there's still consequences that are happening. I know,
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Speaker 2: when those vapes showed up in the market, it was like,
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Speaker 2: what is this? Is this going to be helpful because
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Speaker 2: we all want to make things easy for people for
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Speaker 2: quitting this addiction to nicotine. And then we learned over
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Speaker 2: the years. I mean, and this is going to kind
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Speaker 2: of date me. Is I started in the early two
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Speaker 2: thousands on helping people quit nicotine, and we would say
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Speaker 2: there's three thousand chemicals and a cigarette. Now we know
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Speaker 2: there's seven thousand chemicals. Vape products came out in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and nine and learning every day the new chemicals
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Speaker 2: that are showing up, and they are definitely mirroring what's
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Speaker 2: in a cigarette. So they're not safer, Sure, it's just
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Speaker 2: a different way of using it.
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Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, And who knows what those long term consequences
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Speaker 1: even maybe yet if they haven't been out that long.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked what you said about having those like
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Speaker 1: honest conversations because I think something that I learned that
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Speaker 1: had stuck with me is I think, like, if you
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Speaker 1: think back to like nineties prevention, it was maybe just
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Speaker 1: like oh, drugs are bad, like drugs are dirty whatever.
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Speaker 2: Well, and then a.
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Speaker 1: Kid tries a vape for the first time maybe and
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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that felt good.
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Speaker 2: So being honest, like, you know.
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Speaker 1: For a short period of time, you might feel better,
22:50
Speaker 1: but then you're gonna have withdrawals and you're gonna you don't, like,
22:54
Speaker 1: feel bad. I think having that kind of conversation and
22:57
Speaker 1: not being afraid to admit like that short term benefit
23:01
Speaker 1: because in a kid's mind, I think sometimes that's all
23:05
Speaker 1: they're going to see is that that was very short
23:08
Speaker 1: term benefit and then do it again.
23:10
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's been glorified, right for sure. It's
23:15
Speaker 2: and you were right on when you said about the
23:18
Speaker 2: brain not being fully developed, right, But it's also we
23:22
Speaker 2: were just out of high school talking about narcan and
23:25
Speaker 2: what narcans use for for opioids and and how that
23:28
Speaker 2: opioid connects with that neurotransmitter. It's the same thing when
23:32
Speaker 2: that nicotine connects with that neuro transmitter. It gives that
23:35
Speaker 2: good feeling that dope for me. And I said, you guys,
23:38
Speaker 2: remember you know when you brey laugh, Sure you get
23:41
Speaker 2: that happy feeling. Well, that's that quick thing, but then
23:44
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your body's going to call for
23:46
Speaker 2: it again, and it's no fun. When I've talked to
23:51
Speaker 2: individuals trying to quit, you know, this day, I want
23:54
Speaker 2: to quit because I don't want my grandkids seeing this
23:57
Speaker 2: and becoming addicted, you know, and or I don't want
24:00
Speaker 2: my kids to know. My kids don't even know I
24:02
Speaker 2: do this, right, But then even when it's our youth,
24:05
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we kind of keep it hidden. We don't,
24:08
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want people knowing we're doing this.
24:09
Speaker 2: It's I sold my PlayStation to buy bape vapes. Sure,
24:14
Speaker 2: so that's you know, yeah, the cost.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I know an adult that's really
24:19
Speaker 1: happy that they started smoking when they were a teenager.
24:24
Speaker 1: Like everybody, that's something they want to quit. So what
24:31
Speaker 1: does an effective conversation about substance use look like at
24:36
Speaker 1: different ages?
24:36
Speaker 2: We talked about it a little bit, but so elementary school,
24:41
Speaker 2: it's more talking in terms of what the products are
24:45
Speaker 2: and taking those. Like you said, when you're walking out
24:48
Speaker 2: of a store and and you're with your child and
24:52
Speaker 2: somebody is smoking your vaping, it's waiting to get a
24:55
Speaker 2: little waiting when mom and then to say, hey, you know, well,
25:00
Speaker 2: you know, you notice what's going on. They're they're they're
25:03
Speaker 2: out there. This is what's going on when they when
25:05
Speaker 2: you use nicotine, it causes you to have to use
25:08
Speaker 2: it again. In the middle school, it's just making sure
25:13
Speaker 2: you're don't You don't want to do a PowerPoint presentation,
25:17
Speaker 2: you don't want to lecture them. You want to have
25:19
Speaker 2: it interactive. So when I talked about even with our alcohol,
25:24
Speaker 2: the game that we kind of make it play so
25:27
Speaker 2: it's kind of more interactive, like let's have this discussion.
25:30
Speaker 2: Maybe you're watching something on Netflix and it shows up
25:34
Speaker 2: in the Netflix movie or show. Talk about that with
25:38
Speaker 2: the high schoolers too. It's that ongoing discussion about those
25:43
Speaker 2: products and you know, giving them to our middle schools
25:48
Speaker 2: and high schoolers and probably even down in an elementary
25:51
Speaker 2: is if there's something happening when you're with your group
25:53
Speaker 2: of friends that you definitely they're asking you to use
25:57
Speaker 2: something like a vape or alcohol or something, and your
26:01
Speaker 2: child is trying to say no or get out of
26:02
Speaker 2: that situation. Is having that code word, you know, they
26:06
Speaker 2: send a text saying or they say, you know, what
26:08
Speaker 2: I think I forgot we have a family dinner tonight
26:11
Speaker 2: and they text you and say, you know, remember that
26:15
Speaker 2: family dinner, or you know I've I forgot to take
26:19
Speaker 2: the you know this out that you know that's there,
26:22
Speaker 2: that's your word of Okay, I need to go pick
26:24
Speaker 2: them up. You know I need to say nope, they
26:26
Speaker 2: need to come home right now. Sure, so you give
26:30
Speaker 2: them an out too, Sure, yeah, you want to give
26:32
Speaker 2: them that you know, I I'll take all the blame
26:34
Speaker 2: if my child said, you know my mom, you know
26:38
Speaker 2: my mom would kill me, or you know what, my
26:40
Speaker 2: mom needs to see me right or you know, we
26:42
Speaker 2: have this meeting. But you want to give them that
26:44
Speaker 2: easy out, that protection.
26:46
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, sure yeah. I think Another thing that I've
26:51
Speaker 1: heard a lot too is like connecting them, helping them
26:56
Speaker 1: understand the consequences in their like short term the term consequences. Right,
27:01
Speaker 1: So if they're like a if they're into sports or something,
27:03
Speaker 1: you know, like vaping it might make you run slower
27:08
Speaker 1: or like have these like a media sects is a
27:10
Speaker 1: little easier for kids to understand than like, oh, it's
27:13
Speaker 1: going to give you cancer in thirty years. You know,
27:15
Speaker 1: when they're children and don't understand.
27:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we talk more about that cold that
27:20
Speaker 2: you might get. Sure, getting colds easier, but also that's
27:24
Speaker 2: sports if you like to run and shoot your baskets.
27:29
Speaker 2: And definitely students have seen it interfere right for sure,
27:35
Speaker 2: you know, and how it's affecting their breathing or how
27:37
Speaker 2: it's affecting their concentration.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay. And then how can community members
27:46
Speaker 1: get involved in prevention in our area?
27:49
Speaker 2: Sure, so we have the Bismarck Tobacco Free Coalition that
27:53
Speaker 2: works on different that's more of your policy focus. So
28:00
Speaker 2: during legislative session, it's educating your senators and representatives on
28:04
Speaker 2: how that bill would impact. Sometimes it's at the local level.
28:08
Speaker 2: There might be some ordinance work in the past. I
28:11
Speaker 2: think people might be more familiar with our smoke free
28:14
Speaker 2: ordinance that facious. That was an awesome thing that happened,
28:18
Speaker 2: but that happened because of people in our community wanting
28:22
Speaker 2: this and educating on it. We have another coalition called
28:26
Speaker 2: the Burly Moulten Death Burly I Mortant Behavioral Health Coalition,
28:31
Speaker 2: and that is focused on prevention of it's on the
28:35
Speaker 2: continuing care. So we have our prevention aspect with our
28:38
Speaker 2: state Opioid Response grant and then prevention of underage drinking
28:42
Speaker 2: and marijuanas. Then we also have treatment people that come
28:46
Speaker 2: in and talk about what they're doing for treatment, and
28:48
Speaker 2: then we have our recovery section that come in and
28:52
Speaker 2: talk about what is being done. It's an awesome group.
28:56
Speaker 2: There's over one hundred members. We're also some of the
29:00
Speaker 2: initiatives that they're working on is how do address our
29:02
Speaker 2: homeless population because substance abuse is very much tied to that.
29:08
Speaker 2: That group meets during the day, so it's a little
29:10
Speaker 2: difficult too, and it's a virtual meeting. There's over one
29:13
Speaker 2: hundred members.
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Speaker 1: And while we're on the topic of narkan, and since
29:18
Speaker 1: I have you here, where can community members like and
29:24
Speaker 1: nar can if anyone isn't familiar I mean even if
29:28
Speaker 1: you don't think your child is using I mean NARCAN
29:32
Speaker 1: communes in all sorts of situations, right, like elderly individuals
29:35
Speaker 1: who might take too many pills or something like that.
29:38
Speaker 1: So where could if somebody was interested in having narkan,
29:43
Speaker 1: what would be the easiest way for them to get that?
29:46
Speaker 2: Great question? So narkan helps with reversal of taking too
29:51
Speaker 2: many opioids, and it could be somebody that's prescribed it,
29:54
Speaker 2: just like you said. I've had people share situations where
29:57
Speaker 2: their grandmother had a fetanel patch put it on and
30:01
Speaker 2: accidentally put another one on, and they've came in and
30:04
Speaker 2: the grandmother was passed out on the floor. Or you know,
30:08
Speaker 2: your kid gets wisdom teeth pulled out, they get an
30:11
Speaker 2: opioid or a surgery and might have taken one too
30:14
Speaker 2: many because they couldn't remember the last time they took it,
30:16
Speaker 2: or somebody took their pain meds and drank alcohol, or
30:20
Speaker 2: it could be somebody who does use it illegally. We
30:24
Speaker 2: are lucky because this is the only tool we have
30:27
Speaker 2: in our tool tool box to reverse an overdose, and
30:32
Speaker 2: it is just for opioids. I wish we had it
30:34
Speaker 2: for other things, but this is a tool we got
30:36
Speaker 2: right now. And narcn has been approved by FDA to
30:41
Speaker 2: be bought over the counter, so you can go to Target, Walmart,
30:45
Speaker 2: any of your pharmacies pick it up for forty five dollars.
30:48
Speaker 2: Bismarck Burly Public Health receives funding from the state, which
30:52
Speaker 2: is from the state Opioid Settlement dollars. We provide it
30:55
Speaker 2: free of charge, so they can come to our public
30:57
Speaker 2: health unit, which is lowkey it right across from Bobcat
31:01
Speaker 2: four oh seven South twenty sixth Street and pick it
31:04
Speaker 2: up right there. Or there is on the state website
31:10
Speaker 2: for the North Dakota Department of Health and Human Services
31:13
Speaker 2: you can order narcan online. It will be shipped directly
31:17
Speaker 2: to your house. So it's it's we've we tried to
31:21
Speaker 2: eliminate all the barriers we could have. We will provide
31:24
Speaker 2: it at different events We're at handing it out at booths,
31:28
Speaker 2: or I've had different businesses asked me to come in
31:32
Speaker 2: and do a presentation. We talk about NARCAN, how to
31:35
Speaker 2: administer it, and provide it free of charge. I do
31:38
Speaker 2: have a community NARCAN training coming up. We do that
31:42
Speaker 2: quarterly throughout the years. So you just call our office
31:45
Speaker 2: at three five, five, one nine seven and say I'm
31:50
Speaker 2: interested in getting trained on NARCAN or a need DARCAM
31:54
Speaker 2: and it's there so awesome.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is for sure a great tool to have
32:00
Speaker 1: and definitely saves lives in our community. Just don't leave
32:03
Speaker 1: it in your car in the extreme.
32:06
Speaker 2: Weather of North Dakota. You are so right on that
32:09
Speaker 2: it will freeze, so you can take it out and
32:13
Speaker 2: thought out. It takes about ten to fifteen minutes to
32:16
Speaker 2: thaw that out. You can do it about ten times.
32:19
Speaker 2: And hot weather, we don't want it above one hundred
32:22
Speaker 2: and four degrees in a car. That's why we've been
32:24
Speaker 2: working hard to place it with the eighties. But it's
32:28
Speaker 2: definitely something to have on hand though, too. I a
32:33
Speaker 2: couple of years ago got trained on narcnon friend of
32:35
Speaker 2: mine up and mine. I did too, and you know,
32:38
Speaker 2: you think, oh, I got trained on this, why would
32:40
Speaker 2: I ever need this? And unfortunately she was over visiting
32:45
Speaker 2: her daughter and her granddaughter comes out and says, something's
32:48
Speaker 2: wrong with Ethan. Ethan was passed out on his floor.
32:52
Speaker 2: He was a color gray, matching his walls, and they
32:57
Speaker 2: called nine one one. She administered in NARCAN started CPR,
33:01
Speaker 2: ambulance arrived, The police were there and they said he
33:05
Speaker 2: was this close. You're lucky you had nar camp. Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 2: So you know, you just think, me, it's not going
33:11
Speaker 2: to be my family or I wouldn't know anybody, but
33:14
Speaker 2: you just never know. Yeah, for sure. We handed it
33:17
Speaker 2: out at the North Coast of Safety CONSOL conference and
33:22
Speaker 2: a guy a year later stopped by the booth and
33:24
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, I could pick this up and you're
33:26
Speaker 2: not even gonna know what happened. I was driving home
33:28
Speaker 2: on the strip from Bismarck to Amandaan and here was
33:30
Speaker 2: this individual passed out, pulled over, gave him the nar camp.
33:35
Speaker 2: So it could be a stranger, it could be a
33:38
Speaker 2: family member, right, yeah, right for sure. Awesome.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much Sue for coming in today
33:44
Speaker 1: and chatting with me, and thanks to everyone listening, and
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Speaker 1: we will have a new episode for you soon.
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Speaker 2: To to st