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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, August 25 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sellisell, Jato shows,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sext Jacks Drive Time and starts right now. Just
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  Speaker 1: gotta coop swinging, man, We're gonna swing that. I just
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  Speaker 1: told them I'm looking for fighters and I'm looking for competitors.
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  Speaker 1: We will have a locker room full of competitors and
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  Speaker 1: I think we got a bunch of them, um, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot about them, Like they're a lot
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  Speaker 1: to learn a lot about us. Head coach Urban Meyer's
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  Speaker 1: thoughts after a preseason lost in New Orleans Saints over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend final score. A lot to unpack from that game.
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  Speaker 1: This morning on Jaguars Drive Time, our first Wednesday show
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  Speaker 1: of the season, Monday tomorrow too, right, we are this
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  Speaker 1: is like the first back to back. Yeah, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: coming out. Welcome in Jaguars Drive Time. We start the show.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot of news this morning, but we
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  Speaker 1: start with very unfortunate news about running back Travis E.
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  Speaker 1: T N who was placed on an injured reserve yesterday
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  Speaker 1: afternoons suffered a foot injury that they believe will make
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  Speaker 1: him out for the season. And we can talk all
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  Speaker 1: about Okay, how do you replace this role on office
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  Speaker 1: in't such a creative, unique role. But you just can't
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  Speaker 1: help this morning just feel bad for him. Well without
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  Speaker 1: a doubt. I mean, I don't know that you call
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  Speaker 1: that a fluke injury, although um, I mean that he
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  Speaker 1: plants his foot and it happened. I mean, it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like the same thing, even though it's a different injury
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  Speaker 1: happened in Indianapolis with their two star players that we're
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  Speaker 1: both injured and had to have surgery. It's it's it
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  Speaker 1: just goes to show you you can get hurt in
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  Speaker 1: this game anytime on the practice field, in a preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: You know, week seventeen, it's a game of dealing with injuries,
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  Speaker 1: um and replacing players. And that now becomes the really
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  Speaker 1: important issue for this football team is how do you
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  Speaker 1: how do you replace a guy who is as explosive
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  Speaker 1: as that? Right, And I think it's something that you
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  Speaker 1: perhaps Urban has to has to get used to dealing
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  Speaker 1: with in the sense of in college, you lose a
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  Speaker 1: guy like this and you have a ninety man roster
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  Speaker 1: and you've been able to recruit behind it. In the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: it is tougher to have a piece of death like
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  Speaker 1: Travis c t N. Because he's a unique player. I
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of questions and it'll it'll, it will
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  Speaker 1: come up later on this or that. Uh, how do
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  Speaker 1: you replace it? I'll tease a little bit. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure you do with a like talent. Uh. And certainly
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  Speaker 1: for him, your heart goes out to me. Wait all
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  Speaker 1: your life and you get your opportunity in the NFL. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The list, Frank, which is what he reported it has,
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  Speaker 1: is a concerning injury. It's quick grant, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and in camp sitting and with most as with most injuries,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on severity. I've been around plenty of players
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  Speaker 1: who have come back from it and and they're fine.
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  Speaker 1: He's young, no reason to think he won't. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a serious injury. And we will be talking at this
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  Speaker 1: time next year about his availability to play a year
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  Speaker 1: from now because he's a running back, because he changes
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  Speaker 1: direction using the mid far to that part of that foot. Um,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be something we're gonna track for a
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  Speaker 1: while and hopefully everything goes well in surgery and he
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  Speaker 1: recovers well. And there's a lot of individual, you know,
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  Speaker 1: physical qualities that will determine whether or not he makes
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  Speaker 1: it all the way back and give the other side
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  Speaker 1: of that. Corey Grant never made it back. I was
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  Speaker 1: around Dwight Freeney. He had this in two thousand seven,
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  Speaker 1: came back and played at all pro levels. So it's
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  Speaker 1: totally impossible. But it's it's it's not if he's sticking
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  Speaker 1: your head in the sand and stays not concerned. Which
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  Speaker 1: is why I say a year from now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with a c L, guys like that years sah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're ready to go. Would just be be careful with
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  Speaker 1: him and next year we'll be saying, okay, can he
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  Speaker 1: cut on that thing? Um. I mean, he's gonna have
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  Speaker 1: the best of the best rehabilitation that's available, so you've
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  Speaker 1: got to give him the greatest chance of being able
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  Speaker 1: to come back from it. Yes, very unfortunate. Our thoughts
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  Speaker 1: are with him this morning. That is a bummer of
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday morning. All right, let's get into big thing one,
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  Speaker 1: which is perspective. We all have been excited for what
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  Speaker 1: this season brings. We talked about it every morning here
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  Speaker 1: on this show, and you can't help but be excited
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  Speaker 1: when you see the additions on the roster and the
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff but perspective is a good thing. It keeps
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  Speaker 1: you a little sane. And we saw that second preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: Coach Meyer knows the offense has a ways to go.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of went into the game, let's run the
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  Speaker 1: ball at him a little bit and uh we play
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  Speaker 1: action and get Trevor comfortable back there and then break
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  Speaker 1: contain a little bit. I know, we had a nice
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  Speaker 1: play to his left and threw it down the field
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  Speaker 1: and the couple play, but we're not balanced right now.
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  Speaker 1: And when you get you know, you get stuffed one.
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  Speaker 1: We're too many second and off off off schedule plays
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  Speaker 1: in the first half, you know, three threes and out
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  Speaker 1: other than that one first down, so um that and
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  Speaker 1: then then the red zones today, as you know, Trevor
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  Speaker 1: did nice job and that two minute drill and thee
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  Speaker 1: it will pounder it in there. So I got to
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  Speaker 1: get our offensive line back and playing better. Big thing
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  Speaker 1: too is poise. Rookie quarterback Trevor Lawrence show that looking
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  Speaker 1: much more comfortable as he went on, but in Middally
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  Speaker 1: said that he started too slow. So let's hear from
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback himself on his thoughts of the second preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, from an individual perspective, I just gotta get
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better a getting the ball out, taking completions, UM,
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  Speaker 1: staying out of second and long and third and long.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it really hard for coach bev and as
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  Speaker 1: an offense, it's just hard to convert all those third
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  Speaker 1: and long. So that's that's part on me just staying
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the chains, and then just the whole offense,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta click a little bit more. Still got some
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  Speaker 1: work to do. UM find our rhythm and UM yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I thought we kind of started to do
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  Speaker 1: that into the first half, and then you saw the
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  Speaker 1: guys at the end of the game played great. That
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  Speaker 1: was awesome to see. But I thought we kind of
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  Speaker 1: started to do that the end of the first half,
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  Speaker 1: but just didn't finish in the red zone. Big thing
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  Speaker 1: three purpose The offense and especially the offensive line need
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  Speaker 1: that going forward. This third preseason game than going into
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  Speaker 1: the regular season. The offensive line struggled with three starters out.
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  Speaker 1: Left half old Cam Robinson was a surprise pregame twisted
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  Speaker 1: his ankle the day before, but coach Meyer says that
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be too serious and we start right there with
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  Speaker 1: this offense. John it took a while to get going.
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  Speaker 1: And you see the offensive line. Okay, yes, they had
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  Speaker 1: three starters out, but it was more so just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it was played calling or what, but
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  Speaker 1: it just seemed like nothing was clicking, especially at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the game. Well, I think it was approach
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  Speaker 1: in the sense of they, you know, this is sort
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  Speaker 1: of pitting pieces together Brian Ashland. But it seemed you've
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  Speaker 1: got three offensive linemen out, you've got a rookie quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wan get him hurt the preseason, and Urban
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  Speaker 1: said after the game they wanted to come out and run, run, run,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of play action. That seems like, okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to run and not put Trevor Lawrence in bad spots.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a great plan. And then you couldn't run,
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  Speaker 1: so as he said, you're behind the chains. You wrote
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  Speaker 1: about it after the game, all of a sudden, you're
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  Speaker 1: second and nine, third and eight. Well, you can't do
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  Speaker 1: that in preseason. You can't do it out here when
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  Speaker 1: there's no pads. Don't expect to do that. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that to me felt like what was wrong with the
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  Speaker 1: offense the other night. I've gotten a lot of I
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  Speaker 1: mean you're starting to get into a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence panic with a fan, you know. I tell you, look,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen nothing to make me think he's not progressing
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  Speaker 1: the way you want. Absolutely. I liked the last two
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  Speaker 1: series of fact that he put it together, particularly the
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  Speaker 1: other night. I know Trevor is not really on our
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  Speaker 1: docket to talk about. There was a play where he
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  Speaker 1: was under pressure, got hit as he was throwing the
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  Speaker 1: ball and completely like a thirteen yard passed. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's fine, Urban said it. You gotta get the offensive
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  Speaker 1: line right. You gotta get him blocking better. This is
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a team that drops back and
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  Speaker 1: throws and his effective every play. They got to run better. Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, you have the rookie quarterback that was
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  Speaker 1: chosen number one overall, but the league has been waiting
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  Speaker 1: for I don't think there'll ever be a time where
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  Speaker 1: where Trevor isn't on our docket to talk about. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I almost threw up when I heard Susie Kolberg ask um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess in the COVID era when you say that.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard Susie in their pregame, asked, asked Steve Young,
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  Speaker 1: if there was reason for us to be disappointed in
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  Speaker 1: what we've seen from Trevor Lawrence so far. Right, Susie,
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  Speaker 1: this just in he had played snaps in the preseason.
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  Speaker 1: Part of it. I blame for the coaching staff with
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  Speaker 1: this whole garden a Minshoe competition there because people who
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  Speaker 1: aren't on the practice field infer Well, he must not
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  Speaker 1: be doing anything with a practice coach garden. Mission must
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  Speaker 1: be a star, right, which to me is a false
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  Speaker 1: narrative all the way. But no, people, relax, This is
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  Speaker 1: where perspective comes from. A rookie quarterback read Peyton Manning interceptions,
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  Speaker 1: three wins in Peyton Manning who just went into the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So a rookie quarterback is going to
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  Speaker 1: have a transition period. Number two, you have a coach
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  Speaker 1: who's making his debut in the NFL, And I thought
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  Speaker 1: that the ESPN broadcast did a great job of talking
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  Speaker 1: about how big the challenge is to blend the coaching
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  Speaker 1: staff that's part college and part pro and create a
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  Speaker 1: system that everybody's on on the same page with that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna take some time as well. And then you talk
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  Speaker 1: about a one in fifteen team from a year ago, right,
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  Speaker 1: So It's not like a new player and a new
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  Speaker 1: coach are going to change it all overnight. There's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be ugly moments. Now does it have to be as
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  Speaker 1: ugly as it was? I mean, first down, no game,
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  Speaker 1: second town, half a yard. No, you expect to be
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  Speaker 1: better than that. But you're going to have these moments
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  Speaker 1: as they go through this year. I just I think
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  Speaker 1: I've said it before. I think this is like a
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  Speaker 1: seven win team. I think you've said six. Well, seven
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  Speaker 1: and ten is the equivalent of three games under five D,
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  Speaker 1: which is which is five and eleven? Right? I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good shot for this team. I know no
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  Speaker 1: one on that side of the hallway wants to hear it,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a good place for this team. Debate. Should
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  Speaker 1: they look so? Should it be such a struggle? No,
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  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a times this year. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: when you pick apart everything on a daily basis, you
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  Speaker 1: get over analysis. In August, Um, when I've got a
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  Speaker 1: ton of questions that the offenses vanilla, what's wrong with
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  Speaker 1: Darryl Bevil, what's wrong with what's wrong with you? All this? Um?
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  Speaker 1: When you're not running the all, well, it's very hard
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  Speaker 1: to be creative because when you're not running the ball well,
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  Speaker 1: and we've covered this and his fears and they even
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  Speaker 1: run the ball out, you can't be creative in second
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  Speaker 1: and nine because your quarterbacks getting hit. You be creative
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  Speaker 1: in second and four. So that's really the base of it,
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  Speaker 1: and that the other night, again it was clear they
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  Speaker 1: had a young offensive line and offensive weren't sure how
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  Speaker 1: to approach it at that point because of the youth.
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  Speaker 1: Give this thing, Tom, here's the flip side of the
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  Speaker 1: onto tired already. I know. That's why that's why we
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  Speaker 1: start with perspective. I'll say this because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people said to me yesterday, well, you know they'll be
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  Speaker 1: fine when they get Cam and Andrew and Brandon back. Well, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you'd like to think that. Although Norwell and
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  Speaker 1: Linda have both been guys who have been prone to
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  Speaker 1: injuries and missing some time. Here's the bigger picture with
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  Speaker 1: that is that all three of those guys are likely
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  Speaker 1: to be at least two of the three are likely
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  Speaker 1: to be playing elsewhere next year. Cam's on a one
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  Speaker 1: year franchise, tag Andrew Linder or Andrew nor Well's um
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  Speaker 1: contract spikes to like nineteen million next year, some astronomical
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  Speaker 1: number for a left guard and lenders in the final
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  Speaker 1: year of his deal. So what you're looking at is
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  Speaker 1: Walker Little, who you expect to be your left tackle
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  Speaker 1: in the future. Ben Bart who by next year should
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  Speaker 1: be ready to play guard for you. I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you if you've developed him, well, he was always a
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  Speaker 1: project Chatley Mayor and I don't know that he's an
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  Speaker 1: eight year guy. He's always been just Mr. Reliable probably,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe he's your start. I guess the bigger picture is, man,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta get you gotta get some of that depth
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  Speaker 1: going because they're going to have to play. And one
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  Speaker 1: more little piece of perspective, and that is is that
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  Speaker 1: if you put Drew Brees on the field for that
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  Speaker 1: particular New Orleans Saints team, that's a Super Bowl contender.
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  Speaker 1: The roster sensational and early on you had three backup
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  Speaker 1: of fansive a linement battling of front seven. It's about
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  Speaker 1: as good as you'll find in the NFC. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put it all into perspective, should they be better, yes,
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  Speaker 1: will they be at times? And at times it will
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  Speaker 1: look bumpy because of the transition. And speaking of perspective.
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  Speaker 1: I just I want to throw this in so you
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  Speaker 1: noticed that the big things today are perspective, poison purpose,
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  Speaker 1: A little pull behind the curtain. Is that I'm the
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  Speaker 1: guy that generally rights the top of the show with
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  Speaker 1: big things and introduced the topics. And I wrote these
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  Speaker 1: yesterday after reading Tom Coughlin's open letter um in Your Times,
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  Speaker 1: which quite honestly, just I mean, for those of us
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  Speaker 1: who have been around and known the man and his family,
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  Speaker 1: just was gut wrenching. So I don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: into it in any death because lots of people want
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  Speaker 1: to provide it. But if you haven't read it, read it.
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  Speaker 1: It is the best perspective, and it's about poison purpose,
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  Speaker 1: which Tom Coughlin always talked about, always valued. And there
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  Speaker 1: were two lines that stood out that I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: share in case you hadn't read it. I know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have by now. The first is obviously
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  Speaker 1: holding his wife's hand through the sunset of her life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's for people who thought he was just
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  Speaker 1: terrible Tom, and this you know, please, I mean, are
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  Speaker 1: you kidding me? I mean that was a glimpse into
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  Speaker 1: the window of his humanity again, which those of us
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  Speaker 1: who were close enough to him we're able to see.
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  Speaker 1: And the other was that he talked about players past
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  Speaker 1: and present who struggled with his ideas of commitment and discipline, accountability,
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  Speaker 1: and how they thought that it ended when you left
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  Speaker 1: the field, but when you leave the field, it's when
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  Speaker 1: it just begins. That's why I think everybody should read it,
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  Speaker 1: because you can turn it around and share it with
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  Speaker 1: coworkers or children. The messages that are in that story,
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  Speaker 1: it's Tom in life's most difficult moment, when life is
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  Speaker 1: at its worst. He was at his best. So please
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  Speaker 1: take the time to read it. It's worth it. And
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  Speaker 1: for those who don't know, we didn't really stay the top.
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  Speaker 1: Judy Coughlin, Tom's wife, I'm not sure the exact technical diagnosis,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't have it written down. I would I
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  Speaker 1: would want not want to get it wrong, but you
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  Speaker 1: can get it in the art. But basically, it's a
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  Speaker 1: a disorder of the brain. It's from the palsy family
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  Speaker 1: of of of diseases, and it need to be better
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  Speaker 1: than I mean, you know Judy better than I. But
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  Speaker 1: fantastic person. Hananks to people and it's all the photo.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to if you ever thought that a
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  Speaker 1: photo could teach you or introduce you someone, the photo
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  Speaker 1: that the New York Times used of her, Yeah, she's right,
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  Speaker 1: She's so happy, Judy Coughlin to a t. And so
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  Speaker 1: it just there were a lot of people around the league.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking yesterday and you could tell that they
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  Speaker 1: had had emotional moments with it. Take the time to
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  Speaker 1: read the story, whether you knew him or not, whether
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  Speaker 1: you cared for him or not. Right as a football coach, um,
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  Speaker 1: the type of person that he is, and the struggle
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  Speaker 1: that he's going through, there's a lesson in it for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't recommend it enough. Totally agree thoughts and prayers
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  Speaker 1: with the Coughlin family when we come back on Jack's
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  Speaker 1: My thing is in the preseason, I'm looking more for um,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like Warriors or or you know, those dogs
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: that I need to really just um um uh have
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: on my team. In the preseason, you know, there's not
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of plays being called. Um, you've got so
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: many guys in so you just never you don't know
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: who's here or who's not, you know. So it's just
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: a filling out process as right now. Um, it's a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: huge difference from now to the regular season. I mean,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: wade a huge difference, you know. So, I mean, uh,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: we still got some work to do. But at the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, we're still trying to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: just fitting those missing pieces right now. And um, you know,
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• 17:44
  Speaker 1: We just heard from safety ray Sean Jenkins, who knows
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the difference between preseason and regular season. We talked about
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: taking a deep breath. I felt better after hearing that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It was getting used to the regular season and expecting
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: what can be different. And I think we're going to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: see a little bit of that with this third preseason game. Brian, Yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So can I just start? I'm gonna stay a big
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: picture here. I'm not introducing this seriously, um, but as
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a means to a conversation about the value of of
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the preseason, which we know has changed this year. So
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the question is do you play the game in Dallas
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on Sunday? Or do we walk across the Silver Lot
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and cross Johnson Creek and go in the back way
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to what is it? Globe Life Globe America Field, the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: brand new Rangers Ball PLA. You got the Houston Astros
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: who have the second best record in the American League,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and and Zach Rinky who's pitching. I mean, it'd be
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a great game. Um, It's a real game. Can we
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: expect to see you there? No? No, because I look,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I want to do the Kentucky and are doing the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: game on on CBS forty seven on Sunday, So I'm
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: looking forward to it. But the value of the preseason
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: are is two games enough? Do you need this third game? Four?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Do you need four games? Do you need any? I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: mean we learned last year there were none, and so
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: now we've had to this team obviously this year looks
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like they could use six, which is what they used
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to play Prev. Eight. But next year, in the year after,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they may look like a team you know they could
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: use too. So I mean, I think the conversation about
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the preseason is going to keep changing. Um, but I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't know that I know the value of a third
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: preseason game or if you need a fourth, I think
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you need exactly what you always had. Uh and get
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: off my lawns. But yeah, I think they're important. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: think in the next couple of weeks you're gonna see
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: for this team why it's important, because I think they're
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: gonna play. You know, I'm getting into Shelen's here, don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: ruin it, So go ahead, all right? My bust or
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that is, do you wrap your starters in bubble wrap,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: especially after what we unfortunately saw with Travis Cyt and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that injury, or do you use this preseason game as
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the reps that very much looks like they need. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I see both sides this, and I'm curious we're gonna
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: hear from head coach Urban Myer at eleven thirty this
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: morning about his philosophy with this third preseason game. If
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you treat it like the fourth, okay, it's it's the trial,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it's the last four or five spots on the roster
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that you have to figure out. But with the way
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: this offense looked in the second preseason game, my opinion
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is you need all the reps you can get play them, right,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So they should be like, you should treat this like
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: preseason game three, and there is no preseason game four.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, And I think they need the reps
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to play them. The I forget his name, the past
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: rusher for the Jets who was lost for the season
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: with achilles tire marks up right, Joe klecko Um. But
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: they signed him to a big contract. He had been
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland or Cincinnati, and he tears his a c
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: L on the practice field and they're lamenting, Oh, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't have practiced. You rebuilt this defense. You can
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: get hurt in anything when you have those pas. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: fell off my rollerblades and have a bone bre Well
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: there you go, right, yeah, you should you can playing football.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You prepare you you know, you wait to do the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: conditioning program. Let you take care of your body. But
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you can get hurt on that practice field. You can
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: get hurt on that game field in the preseason, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: guys do so you can't go in and wrap everybody
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: up and say no, no, no no, protect everyone. I get
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what coaches are sensitive to that because these games they
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: don't count, and in two weeks you're gonna have games
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that count. But they need some work. Just be smart,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: figure out what your snap count is, stick with it,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and go. I think for this team, I think they
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: will play him like a regular season game or not
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like the regular season game, and they'll play them like
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: preseason week three. I think they need to uh again,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it's so tough. I don't really like trying to psychoanalyze
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: people's body language, and everybody tries to do that with
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Urban because he he's so demonstrating and sort of words
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the emotions on his sleeve. But I think players for
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this offense, I think they would feel so much better
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: going into the regular season if they had a couple
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of really good drives and finished in a touchdown. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: think for this team they need to plan and then
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: as soon as I say that, I think, okay, if
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they played like a regular preseason game. To me, where's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the evaluation time for shack quarterman And he's a bad
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: example and he see me on the team. But there's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: not gonna be that preseason week four where all of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a sudden you get a chance to evaluate this roster
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: back twenty years ago in a game in Dallas, the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: big running back where he had a sixty yard run
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: for a touchdown and they ended up needing him that
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: year because Fred Taylor got hurt, right, But he made
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it in the fourth preseason game. Otherwise he was on
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the bubble. So I mean there's plenty of examples through
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the history of the league and the Jaguars to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: able to point to a guy that made it in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the fourth preseason game. Yeah, and the evaluation is critical.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And not to mention, we don't know what the offensive
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: line's gonna look like. Will those starters come back? Because
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I know I had a lot of fans asking, well,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: why would you play Trevor when you have three offensive
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: lineman out? That's terrible plan for him needs the reps,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: but he needs and you know, if if three starters
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: are out and on October eight, you're gonna sit in there,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: so play him And if lender K and Noral can't play,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: find guys you can't. All right, John, this try to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: replace E t n S role from the outside or
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that role with what you got. Um. Look, I think
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: they will uh probably add a running back that people
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: might think of. Okay, they're replacing ETN spot on the roster.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: As I alluded to the top of the show, I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: don't think you replace e t n S role with
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a guy off the street because if that guy on
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the street could play ETNS role, he wouldn't be on
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the street. So I think it's kind of feudle to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: try to find a guy who can run like that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with that kind of speed, because guess what if that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: guy was out there, he'd been first round pick. Well,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: remember in all we talked about in the preseason was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Corey Grant's role, right and how it was going to grow,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And they had all kinds of packages, and then when
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he got hurt, they didn't replace his role. They removed it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: They could they didn't have someone who could run that package,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: so they didn't include it in the game plan, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: They ran other plays. I think you'll see an element
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of that. I think it's hard to know because we
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: really haven't seen that page. But I mean, you can't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: replace him with someone on the roster because they don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: have his explosiveness. And of course, if a guy has
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that kind of explosiveness, he's not going to be on
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: on the street. Um My first thought is a guy
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like Tavid Austin, who you're trying to find a way
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to have him on this roster and who got here
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Layton Camp, Well, he steps into this role. I mean
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: they have to create a different role for him, whatever
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it may be. But he becomes your gadget guy because
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: he's got dependable hands and he is explosive, maybe the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: next most explosive player you've got. Ye to me, this
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is a loss for a couple of reasons. It's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: loss because of the immediate impact that he could have
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: had on a game from Washington. In practice. I didn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: think he tam is gonna be a thousand yard of rostra.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to have a a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year type year. But I did think
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that every three games, which would be five you know, uh,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: for the season, I'm doing some math here. I thought
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that he was going to be a guy who all
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of a sudden flip the field for you. And in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the NFL, flipping the field all of a sudden changes
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it can change a quarter and a half of a game. Uh,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: whether it be a touchdown rather that just be a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: huge play. I thought he was going to give you that. Um.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I think for Irvan Meyer, this is a real gut
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: punch because he was clear that he wants that sort
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of role in this offense and things were going to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: be built. I I believe that there would probably packages
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that we hadn't seen and weren't going to see in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the preseason for him that that we won't see and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: therefore you not only miss his immediate impact next off season,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff will still be sort of wondering what
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: exactly works with this kid because they won't have been
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: able to use it. So it's a tough blow. It
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: is very unfortunate, all right. When we come back on
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  Speaker 1: It has not been the most pleasant of places in
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  Speaker 1: the Ozone mail bag, but we will make you feel
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better game I hope. All right, here
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: we go. No pass rush, no defense, no pass separation,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: no offense, no run blocking. How are we going to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: get a w John get better? I mean, it's all
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: this is true. I mean they have struggled during the preseason.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: There is part of me that wonders um still it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's it's been a very Uh, you know, competition based practice,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: not naming starters. Uh. How much have they really game
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: planned for these games? Uh? How much will the game
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: plan during the regular season offensively look like what we
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: saw the other night. I don't really believe that had
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that been a regular season game, that that would have
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: been their approach. So Uh, I don't think there's I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: don't think there's reason to panic because I don't think
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that what you have seen so far is what you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: will see now. I don't think it's gonna be such
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a dramatic turnaround there. It's gonna be a twelve win team,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: but right now it has not looked like a one
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: win team. I think it is a better team than
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: what we have seen so far, but as you said,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's still a team in transition. They must get better
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: at these key areas though. Look, it's players. At this level.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It's players, and and urban market probably tell you at
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the college level, it's players, not plays. Right. If you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: don't have great players, it doesn't matter what play you call.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So you don't have Josh Allen the other night, Caleb
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and Chason has had a improving camp, but he hasn't
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: shown the ability to win one on one very often, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and and to want smooth isn't a one on one
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: win his battle every type player, Josh Allen is the guy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You get Josh Allen back out in the field. Now
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he's winning one on one and teams have to slide
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to him. Now some of your blitzer get through your
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: pass rush returns. He questioned, no past separation. Okay, get
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: DJ Chark back, right. We all like Morvin Jones, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Dj Chark is the big play guy in this in
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: this offense, especially without Travis E. T n. You know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you get him back when the regular season begins. You
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: get the offensive lineman back, You get some blockings. How
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: do you get a W? You get your players back ran,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you get better, as John mentioned, by evolving some of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: these Caleb and chasing, get some pass rush moves. Ben
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Barge becomes a better offensive lineman. You figure out how
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: leviscis alt impacts this this thing, um, but it's always
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: players in, not plays. Get your players back. You'll find
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a way to get some ws. It's not gonna be twelve,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: but you'll get w's and your quarterback will evolve, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: then twelve starts to happen. Let me look at the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: past defense. Tyson Campbell is one guy that you have
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: your eye on that has to improve. But how much
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: does he have to improve and how quickly? Is the question? Well,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of the second I've heard a lot of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: concern about the secondary. Um. First of all, I didn't
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: think Shad Griffin's covers was that bad in the two plays.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I think Tyson Campbell gotten his way on the first
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: one a little bit. Yeah, Jack might have made a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: play on the ball, but the bottom line is as
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: good as the Jaguars secondary was even in two thousand seventeen. Say, um,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you don't play high level past defense in the NFL
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: with no pass rush, without a doubt. And the secondary
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: here is fine if there is an adequate pass rush
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in front of them. The pass rush was an adequately
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: by the way, Jamis Winston has a cannon for an army.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: He could make a throw from anywhere on the field.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: He did his best Drew Brees impersonation. I expect that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he will win the job safe. Just say, all right,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: let's go to Orange Park. Al loyal, but he's writing
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a good old out. I'm starting to change my expert
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: opinion that Wrence starts Week one two he's not ready
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to start bettered until he is. Are you still as confident?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: John Well? At first I thought he was asking me
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: if I was confident in myself for the human being
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: answer that was a separate sentence. But I think he's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: referring to Am I still as confident that they should
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: start Trevor Lawrence? Yes? Absolutely. There's not a single fiber
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: in me that A doesn't think Trevor will start or
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: that he shouldn't start. And I keep hearing this the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: one that's driving me nuts. Should they sit him until
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the offensive line is ready? Well, when's it gonna be ready?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's a veteran unit. No, that's why this
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: whole narrative that that that's the thing that's aggravated me
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the most about this competition thing. I get what the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: coach is doing, and even Trevor Lawrence has allowed him
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to do that because Trevor said, no, I've never been
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: given anything. I want to earn it. You have to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: do that. Okay, But now the narrative from the outside is, well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: let's sit him, you know, let's make sure that he
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt. There's nothing that Trevor Lawrence can learn
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: from the beach, Trevor, Lawrence will get better and be
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: more capable of leading you too. Wins by being on
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the field, and there's nothing quite as exciting at the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: end of the season as an ascending young quarterback that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you can see your future with you. He needs to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: be on the field. They know that, plus the past
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: protection in front of Lawrence say that night wasn't that?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I mean it was right? Okay, we feel better. You
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