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#1971 When The Healthy Thing Becomes The Unhealthy Thing - Dr. Jodi Richardson · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a champs. It's Harps, it's Jodie, it's Tiff,
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  Speaker 1: it's us, it's the bloody project that you. It's twelve.
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  Speaker 1: It looks with his dodger. I probably should check the
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  Speaker 1: time before I get on the show. Twelve twenty one
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  Speaker 1: pm in thriving metropolis of Melbourne with zero degrees this
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  Speaker 1: morning in Melbourne zero, but it's rocketed up to fucking
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  Speaker 1: not much more. And I walked outside before my testicles
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  Speaker 1: climbed back up into my body cavity. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: them yet. I hope by about three pm they'll re emerge,
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  Speaker 1: because fuck, I don't know. I don't need them, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: but it just makes me a little kind of what's
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  Speaker 1: the word scared when I can't see them? But anytime
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  Speaker 1: now see you. Two girls don't need to deal with
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  Speaker 1: shit like that. TIFF's lost it, Jody's lost it. Jody's
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  Speaker 1: got blue teeth. By the way, I'll just fill you
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  Speaker 1: in on everything I can see. And Tiff sent me
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  Speaker 1: a message about ten minutes ago to say, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: made a typo in a post that I put up
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  Speaker 1: thirty six hours ago. And then I proceeded to bitch
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  Speaker 1: about things I shouldn't bitch about, which brings us to
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  Speaker 1: this moment. Hi, Joe, So you don't have to worry
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  Speaker 1: about disappearing testicles.
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  Speaker 2: Do you?
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  Speaker 3: No? Thank goodness, I don't it sounds terrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah, yep, yep, and swimming at the beach just
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  Speaker 1: a whole different thing for boys over women. It brings
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  Speaker 1: with it's all not just physiological, but psychological and emotional
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  Speaker 1: challenges as well. Jo, It's like, where the folk do
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  Speaker 1: I go with this?
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  Speaker 3: This out?
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  Speaker 1: We don't talk about this online FM. I want more
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  Speaker 1: Jesus and less testical talk.
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  Speaker 2: We were having a conversation this morning, literally because anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I wait, yeah, actually I don't even know why I
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  Speaker 2: opened my mouth. But our dog has no testicles, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how what's her name?
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  Speaker 3: Dusty is a boy? Well obviously it's a boy.
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  Speaker 1: Well there's lots of dogs with no testicles. They're called
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  Speaker 1: girls and also boys. All right, anyway, see that tips
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  Speaker 1: straight through to the keeper. Go on, So Dusty's got
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  Speaker 1: no knackers?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, anyway, the conversation came up last night.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember why the heck we were.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about it, but anyway, here we are again talking
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  Speaker 2: about testicles, So you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, there you go particularly speaking well, the other member
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  Speaker 1: of the panel who does have testicles is up in
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  Speaker 1: the top left hand corner.
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  Speaker 3: That may helps.
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  Speaker 1: That's you, you know, it's you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do I no, probably not?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not Now before anyone sends an email, tips always
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  Speaker 1: joking about her own sexuality and how she's thirty percent
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  Speaker 1: boys seventy percent woman, and what's the percentage.
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  Speaker 3: Today, maybe you've given the morning's antics.
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  Speaker 4: I've rocketed back down to only a three percent boy
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  Speaker 4: when I couldn't figure out how to start my motorcycle
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  Speaker 4: and needed to ring boys to help me, so put
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  Speaker 4: me back.
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  Speaker 3: A few pegs.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, which is always annoying for a girl.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but help.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's only because you haven't learned that skill.
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  Speaker 1: Like her motorbike battery was flat this morning. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what to do about that. But that's not because
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  Speaker 1: you're a girl. That's because you haven't been in that
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  Speaker 1: situation before, and.
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  Speaker 3: So I knew what to do.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't want to push a couple hundred kilos
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  Speaker 4: of motorbike trying to wheel it up a wonky driveway,
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  Speaker 4: trying to start it in second.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a yeah, that's a good way to
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  Speaker 1: fuck up your bike because you'll drop it. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and pushing a motorbike and running along and then trying
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  Speaker 1: to chuck it in gear, dump the clutch and get
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  Speaker 1: it going. I mean, I've been riding motorbikes my whole
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  Speaker 1: life and I still I can do it. But it
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  Speaker 1: ain't easy to do. Yeah. No, it's not an easy skill,
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  Speaker 1: so you probably don't. Also, you don't need to pick that,
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  Speaker 1: see Jody, You don't need to worry about these things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I don't. I absolutely don't.
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  Speaker 1: What's the closest thing you do to jump starting a
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  Speaker 1: motorbike that's got a flat battery?
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  Speaker 2: Jump starting my car that I just had to replace
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  Speaker 2: the battery in.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago. That's the closest.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of nothing to do with technology, but well, a
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  Speaker 1: bit of tech and bikes and cars, especially bikes and
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  Speaker 1: cars these days, I guess. But you've just brought some
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  Speaker 1: new technology into your atmosphere that has made you more
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  Speaker 1: aware of a few stats and some data, and tell
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  Speaker 1: us about that I have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm absolutely I think it's day four. I bought
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  Speaker 2: a whoop strap and so it's a wearable activity tracker essentially,
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  Speaker 2: but the data it's I'm still learning actually about all
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  Speaker 2: of the information that it's telling me, but it's already
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  Speaker 2: influenced my behavior. It's influenced my choices because it tells
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  Speaker 2: me each day what my sleep was, what my recovery was,
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  Speaker 2: is what.
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  Speaker 3: My strain is.
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  Speaker 2: And so I actually like, instead of having a second
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  Speaker 2: cup of coffee this morning, I just had two more
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  Speaker 2: glasses of water and that is just unheard of, because
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  Speaker 2: I really want to get that recovery.
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  Speaker 3: Score into the green zone.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's so interesting that the insights that
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  Speaker 2: it gives you, and eventually, in about twenty more days,
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  Speaker 2: it'll give me my biological age and my rate of
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  Speaker 2: aging as well, based on my activity and my choices.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have one of those tip I know you're
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  Speaker 1: the coin of technology and strapping shit and poking shit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that sounded bad, but I mean that that blood
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  Speaker 1: sugar thing. I was going to say poking shit into
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  Speaker 1: your body.
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  Speaker 4: By that where we started in this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get Yeah, I meant that blood sugar thing with
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  Speaker 1: a needle in it that you poked into your shoulder
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  Speaker 1: and wore around shutting out of your deltoid. Do you
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  Speaker 1: have one of them?
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  Speaker 4: I had a whoop band a few years ago, and
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  Speaker 4: then I moved on to the more advanced versions of
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  Speaker 4: the garment. But funnily enough, Jodie, I have just taken
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  Speaker 4: most data off of the screen of my watch and
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  Speaker 4: blocked the app on my phone, so I cannot access
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  Speaker 4: the majority of data, especially sleep, because it's just you know,
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  Speaker 4: tiff gets obsessed and it's not always great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something that can happen. I was a
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  Speaker 2: bit worried, actually. Pete sent to me the other day,
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  Speaker 2: he said, I because I was getting I'm getting excited
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  Speaker 2: obviously looking at the data, and He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want you to get obsessed with this. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: okay so far, but I think that you can reckless
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  Speaker 2: sleep by worrying too much about it and pulling it apart.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so when did you do that?
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  Speaker 3: TIF? Was that just just this week? Actually? And because
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  Speaker 3: what I feel is I.
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  Speaker 4: Drag the information forward and layer each day upon each
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  Speaker 4: day so I can know that I've had Okay, maybe
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  Speaker 4: I didn't get the optimal amount of sleep last night.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, there's nothing I could do about it. But
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  Speaker 4: then there's almost an unconscious building of judgment and maybe
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  Speaker 4: a bit of anxiety when I'm making choices of doing
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  Speaker 4: things and then getting to bed and then yeah, it's sneaky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. I hear you, and you do.
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  Speaker 2: You start to sort of think and anticipate what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. And then if you've got a late night
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  Speaker 2: for different reasons, you're like, oh, it's going to wreck
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  Speaker 2: my sleep school. I can see how that can happen.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, and I think that's really smart. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's it's there as a tool, as a guide,
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  Speaker 2: as a support. You've probably got enough information now through
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  Speaker 2: having seen all your data to know what makes a difference,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for the good and for the bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and well I didn't want to take it off,
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  Speaker 4: so I thought, if I blocked the data, I can
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  Speaker 4: make my choices and review them in three months time
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  Speaker 4: and see what's working without being reactive to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, So being able to block.
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  Speaker 4: That app but still let the app record was really
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  Speaker 4: good feature?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, great, A good one. Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the title for the show as
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  Speaker 1: I do, but also the theme and I'm thinking it's
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  Speaker 1: like interesting when something that is initially triggered by a
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  Speaker 1: healthy pursuit or a healthy idea becomes an unhealthy practice.
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  Speaker 1: So it might be kind of is it? Can it
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  Speaker 1: be a positive in terms of your physical health, gives
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  Speaker 1: you awareness, gives you data, might help you make decisions
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  Speaker 1: like you did this morning around your extra water that
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  Speaker 1: if you weren't you whoop, maybe you didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But then us three who all could be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit obsessive? Who could all be a little bit type A?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not that I pushed the button before
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  Speaker 1: I finished wing, but maybe someone close to me, all right,
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  Speaker 1: it's me. You You turn, you turn a thing that
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  Speaker 1: was initially like a good idea into an unhealthy obsession,
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  Speaker 1: because now you get depressed if you don't hit a
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  Speaker 1: certain number and pursuant to this conversation, your honors, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my minimum steps is ten thousand, which I've spoken about
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  Speaker 1: on this thing and had a revelation about ten months
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  Speaker 1: ago now and went off, you need to walk more.
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  Speaker 1: You're a lazy preck and so I went, that's it
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  Speaker 1: from this day forth. Ten thousand is the worst I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do. And most days I'm probably twelve to fourteen. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: the other night I got in, I was about to
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  Speaker 1: go to bed, and I just checked. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was just over ten thousand, which I was said like
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  Speaker 1: ten ten, three or four, which is I want to
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  Speaker 1: do more? But I'm like, fuck it, I've had a
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  Speaker 1: big day and I'm going for a walk in the
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  Speaker 1: morning before the hey baba. But I get up in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and I do not know why, but and
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  Speaker 1: I felt good about myself going to bed, got up,
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  Speaker 1: felt good, looked at my steps after I'd walked and
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  Speaker 1: got to the cafe and it said my steps from
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  Speaker 1: the day before were nine to six, uh like the
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  Speaker 1: data was And I'm like, it can't be nine six,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm pressing refreshed and I'm reopening shit and I'm
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  Speaker 1: turning my I'm like, can't be fucking nine six, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how is it nine six?
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday I was ten.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, look at me, ah, I'm mental,
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  Speaker 1: look at me like I'm weird. And it really bothered me.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had a you know, a more evolved
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  Speaker 1: version of me paying attention to the bothered version of me,
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  Speaker 1: going what the fuck is wrong with you? Like what
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  Speaker 1: is wrong with you? But even when I figured it's
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  Speaker 1: nine six, well, I'm like, well, I guess if over
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  Speaker 1: a two day period I offset the four hundred I
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  Speaker 1: missed with an extra four hundred and then a bit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm starting to bargain with myself to make
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  Speaker 1: it okay. And this is the fucking PhD psychology guy
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  Speaker 1: who's the exercise scientist who's training a million, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: still yeah, I think it's so easy to get to
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  Speaker 1: step out of that healthy space into that mentally and
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  Speaker 1: emotionally unhealthy space, especially if because I think the line
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  Speaker 1: between I'll shut up after this, the line between discipline
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  Speaker 1: and obsession is about one and a half millimeters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's something to be really really aware of
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  Speaker 2: and also to we've got it, Like the bigger picture
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  Speaker 2: is why are we doing it? Because we want to
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  Speaker 2: be healthier, have more energy, have better blood sugar control,
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  Speaker 2: have a stronger, healthier heart, better health span, and the
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  Speaker 2: body needs Actually rest and recovery is really important.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually so good for us. We do need breaks, and.
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  Speaker 2: If we can listen to our body more, we often
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  Speaker 2: know what it needs. But you know, I can see
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  Speaker 2: how easily that that can happen, and it's Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: takes away from the whole purpose of getting the extra
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  Speaker 2: data in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because anxiety is bad for your body, Like stress
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  Speaker 1: is bad for your body. I mean it literally, we
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  Speaker 1: said we weren't going to open the anxiety door today,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll just open it. We'll just glimpse in. We
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  Speaker 1: won't walk in, we'll just look through the door. But
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  Speaker 1: it is ironic that you then can almost create a
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  Speaker 1: mental health issue around something that's meant to be a
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  Speaker 1: really good thing for your physical health.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so so true.
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  Speaker 2: And if we can like just stop then think about
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  Speaker 2: stress and its effects on our heart else for example,
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  Speaker 2: that gosh, it's like we all want to live long, happy,
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  Speaker 2: healthy lives and still be doing really fun cool stuff
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  Speaker 2: right up to kind of the day we you know,
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  Speaker 2: CARCKT And the gap apparently at the moment HARPS is
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  Speaker 2: about ten years between health span and lifespan forul a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. And so you know, we all know
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  Speaker 2: that stress isn't good for us, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world. When the thing like
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  Speaker 2: you say that it's there to help you achieve these
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  Speaker 2: goals of you know, longevity and health is doing the
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  Speaker 2: exact opposite. But I think it's I think like for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, it's just the initial kind of
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  Speaker 2: getting used to tracking is going to be like, really,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be really focused on it, and then
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  Speaker 2: I imagine, and I hope this will be the case
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  Speaker 2: for me, you just get sort of like in the
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  Speaker 2: swing of things and you roll with it. But if
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  Speaker 2: you if you like Tiff, well, Tiff, you've made a
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  Speaker 2: decision happened to you, You're like, we'll actually know this
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  Speaker 2: is not good for me. I'm going to turn it off.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, think I'm fascinated by it. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's really I'm pretty excited about it.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's when you you've pulled a
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  Speaker 4: lot of levers and then when you can't actually pull
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  Speaker 4: any more levers to change the data you're looking at,
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  Speaker 4: like sleep. And for me, we know that the sleep data,
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  Speaker 4: like the time that's reported is probably fairly accurate, but
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  Speaker 4: the deep and rem sleep, which is often what I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking at, that can be wildly inaccurate on those devices.
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  Speaker 4: We know that, but yet my brain when I'm analyzing
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  Speaker 4: it is like, oh, no, you've had no rem sleep.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to whatever the story I invent.
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  Speaker 3: Spire for that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just sorry despite the fact that you got
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  Speaker 1: out of bed feeling good, then you saw some data
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  Speaker 1: and now I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Bad exactly exactly, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the way to get better at not sleeping well
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  Speaker 2: is to accept that not sleeping well is a part
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  Speaker 2: of getting better sleep, which is hard, isn't it right
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  Speaker 2: you live here and you're like, oh, how many hells
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  Speaker 2: am I.
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  Speaker 3: Going to get?
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  Speaker 2: Oh got to do this tomorrow and I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to be fresh and thinking well. But the more we
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  Speaker 2: can accept what happens in the night, the more likely
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  Speaker 2: out of relax and actually get better quality sleep.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a vicious.
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  Speaker 1: Cycle to tell our listeners who haven't heard and also
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  Speaker 1: Dr Jody about your blood Sugar extra, the thing that
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about before, because some people know about
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  Speaker 1: it and some people don't know the story. Now, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, we're not throwing any particular product or company
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  Speaker 1: under the bus, so maybe don't mention who, but the
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  Speaker 1: story is absolutely true. So it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I for a while now I've seen those continuous
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  Speaker 4: blood glue coost monitors, and we've talked about that and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, that'd be interesting, That'd be really interesting to see.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm a bit of a shore the lover, so
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  Speaker 4: anything that can give me a bit of rock solid
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  Speaker 4: data and show me a reason to stop eating those
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  Speaker 4: cookies up the road that I keep sending you pictures
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  Speaker 4: of harps, geez, they're good.
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  Speaker 3: So I was really interesting send.
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  Speaker 1: The ex fat kid pictures of cookies.
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  Speaker 4: This was today's cookie. Shout out to Hay their cookie
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  Speaker 4: and Elwood amazing. So I put this blood glucose monitor
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  Speaker 4: on to see what the effects of what I'm eating
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  Speaker 4: and hopefully that it would it would show me things
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  Speaker 4: that would make me think twice about doing that as
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  Speaker 4: often as I do it. Anyway, I put this monitor
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  Speaker 4: on and it immediately showed me through the night that
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  Speaker 4: I'm dipping into hypoglycemic really low blood sugar, and then
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  Speaker 4: in the coming nights staying there like redlining all night.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, this is I've got a
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  Speaker 4: Type one diabetic client. She wears one of these, so
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  Speaker 4: I was sending her the data going oh, this is
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  Speaker 4: not good. And within those that one to two weeks,
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  Speaker 4: first one to two weeks of wearing that I had
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  Speaker 4: started changing how I'm eating, eating oats of a night,
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  Speaker 4: going into absolute turmoil. But what was really interesting, Jody
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  Speaker 4: is and I was aware of it, but I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I actually started feeling waking, feeling really exhausted again and
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  Speaker 4: feeling the effects of Oh, this is really this is
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  Speaker 4: not good. Something's happening with my metabolism and my body,
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  Speaker 4: and now I'm feeling really burnt out by it. And
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  Speaker 4: in thinking that, I was like, that's weird that this
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  Speaker 4: is not a new thing though, this is just new
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  Speaker 4: knowledge about a thing that was happening. However, moments before
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: booking an expensive end of chronologist appointment, I decided to
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: go and get the blood prick test and discovered that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: the data was completely inaccurate. Really yeah, so I don't
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: know what's gone what was going on with it, but
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: it was way under what my blood sugar actually was
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: reading at what sort.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Of her data was like she's about to go into
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a hypo.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, coma, Yeah it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Did get into the two's.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah it got into the twos. Wow. Yeah, wow interesting?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Did you did you let the company know?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I sent it in and they sent me back a
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: whole range of things that I had to do in
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: order to get a replacement, And to be honest, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: was like, I'm not doing all of that, Yeah, like
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: going giving software numbers and taking comparative readings at certain times,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: and I was just like, whatever.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It's very It's very worrying though, because you were doing
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it as a as a little experiment to sort of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: suss and and the motivation to understand how it's you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: what your reading is affecting your blood sugars and making
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: some changes. But that's really frightening to think. You know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: my dad's a type two diabetic and he was down
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: into the twos at a hospital stay recently and it's
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I was there when one of them and actually it's frightening.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: It's very dangerous.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So if you're not getting accurate readings, that's a real problem.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just the idea of placebo, but we know
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the power of placebo effect, and if we continue to
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: believe things like that, it can Like that stressed me
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: out so much, I'll put on four kilos that week.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: But you know what, do you know what I find
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: speaking place ebo and like you told me a couple
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of times where you got out of bed felt good,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: like you literally felt physically good, yeah, healthy good, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: then you looked at the data and then you literally
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: felt bad.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I had a couple of afternoons where I was I
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: went to I laid on the couch and I went
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to sleep, and I was.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, I feel shocking.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weird. Yeah that's that. I mean, Yeah, that Jeffrey
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Rettiger from Harvard. We had a dude on here a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: couple of times from Harvard Medical School. Jody called Professor
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Reddicker, who's like one of, if not the worlding
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: world leading authorities in plus ebo and no CIBO research,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and he talks about it's just I reckon, that's the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I reckon, that's the untapped. I mean, there's probably a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: lot of untapped stuff, but for me, near the top
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of the list would have to be trying to understand
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: how powerful our mind is and what we could actually
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've all got a Formula one car
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in the garage that we can't drive. It's just like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it's just got this incredible capability. But we're all used
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to driving a blood bloody Dodge and car around Hampton,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and so we've got this thing that's amazing. We've got
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the keys to it. We've got that, we've got the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: actual thing, but we just don't know how to actually
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: optimize it. And that those you know, those few rare
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: moments that you have where you're like, oh fuck my,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about intellect here. I'm not talking about cognition.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about just how amazing our brain can
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: be to regulate our body, you know that. Like, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to bore people again, but remember that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you remember that milkshake study, Jody? Do you remember that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: if you remember right or not? Yeah?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, but tell us I.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Don't want to bore everyone. But the gist of it
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is Jody's so they Sorry everyone that's heard this five times,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I apologize, But for those who haven't, it's interesting, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for Jody it's interesting. So they've got a whole bunch
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of people who were fasted for I can't remember, but
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they were all hungry, so they're grellon levels being the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: hunger hormone were high. So I'm hungry. I've got lots
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of grellin in my blood. I'm not hungry, and now
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm producing laptin, which is the society hormone. But anyway,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: so they're hungry, so Grellon levels are high, and they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they know that this is on. They're just researching. According
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to the participants, and they've been brief by the research team.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We look at the relationship between how eating meals with
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: more or less calories impacts your Grelon levels, so your
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: hunger hormone level. So the obvious assumption being or hypothesis being, Okay,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if you have a meal we say seven or eight
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: hundred calories or six hundred calories, you know, compared to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a meal with one hundred calories, your Grellon level is
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: going to go way down. So anyway, they got them in.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: They got them in two times, it was, and the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: first time, so they're all hungry, they've all got high
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: grell and they give them basically a milkshake, protein shake, milkshake,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: full fat, lots of calories, ice cream, protein powder, chocolate taste,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing, full fat, full flavor, you know, heaven, heaven
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in a cup or heaven in a mug or whatever.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So they drink it all and then they test their
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Grelon levels, which obviously across the board have plummeted because
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they just ate a lot of calories. Then they bring
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: them back in for a second session, same state, high
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: grelen levels, high hunger, they haven't eaten, so they're in
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a fasted state. Then they give them the low calorie
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: version of what they had in the previous session, so
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you would expect that they hadn't eaten much, so the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: grelen levels would remain high, which they did. The grelen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: levels were still high, meaning they needed more food. Ye,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And then they bought everyone in to brief them. They
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: sat them all down and went, well, this is what happened.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: You had two drinks, one was high calorie, grelen levels
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: went down low because the hunger was dealt with, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: then this meal over here, which was about a quarter
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of the calories. The hunger hormone remained high, which is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: understandable because you didn't have as many calories, and so
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: tickety boot. That's all as expected. Now. The unexpected thing,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: not for us, but for you, well for us as well,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: is that you didn't have anything different. You had two
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: drinks with the same amount of calories. So both sittings
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they had I think it was about a three hundred
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: calorie shake. Both times they consumed the same thing believing
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they were consuming something else. So what actually regulated their
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: leptin levels or their hormones the way that you would
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: think would be predicted if that was a real arm
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: six hundred or one hundred or whatever. So it wasn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: actually what they were consuming, but rather what they believed
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that they were consuming that impacted their endocrime system and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: got the results it did. Now now, so that I mean,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and it's not about milkshakes, and it's not about grellin,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and it's not about high or low fat. It's about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: how fucking incredible is it that your mind can literally
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: change physiology despite something that shouldn't do that when you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: truly believe that this is what's happening in this particular
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: study anyway. I think it's called the Canadian Milkshake Study
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: or something, folks, if you want to go look at it. Yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and you think, well, imagine and that the same goes
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with healing, you know, where people and they've looked at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the power between all the different impact psychological and then
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: physiological impact between say a white tablet versus a blue tablet,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: versus a capsule versus a liquid versus an injection, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: even it's if it's the same dose of the same thing,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: which is probably zero. The physiological response increases as their
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: evaluation of the efficacy or the power of the drug increases,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so they go, oh wow, this is a syringe, This
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: is a fucking this is the top of the line.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So they get the best response with a syringe versus
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a little white tablet. That's somewhat inocuate. And none of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it's about the medicine or the milkshake. All of it's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: about the mind.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's and that the effects are real and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: measurable and quite astounding in some cases. Milkshake studying you
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: just talked about. I think I've heard about that a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: long time ago. I might have even heard you talk
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: about on the podcast years ago. But it just like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: you said before, it just goes to show that the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: capabilities that we have, we are untapped, and mindset matters.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: How we think about things matters.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's important.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I've talked about when
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about happiness science is that how we think
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: and what we do has more of an impact on
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: our happiness and well being than we underestimate. It we
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: think our circumstances influence our happiness and our wellbeing, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: how we think and what we do, particularly happy winess,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: is profound.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: How we think in particular.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, and if that wasn't true, obviously
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: there's a cutoff. I forget the number. I think it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: used to be like sixty or seventy grand where up
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: until that it really does make a difference because people
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: can buy food for the kids and pay the bills
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and so up to a financial level. And again this
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is general science, it's not true for every individual. But
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: then beyond that number, whatever it is, it doesn't make
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: any difference.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: It's like a stink rise.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And then not a plateau, but just a very like
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the gains in happiness that you get for the extra cash.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And you were right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It's about sixty to seventy US, so about one hundred
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: ish Australian.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then you think about and again
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this sounds bad, but this is just my experience. Like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I've worked with lots of rich people, lots like lots,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and some of them are great, some of them are happy,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: some of them got great balance and great attitudes, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: are there are quite a lot of people that I've
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: worked with that despite from the outside looking in everything
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: shiny and amazing and success, in the middle of all
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of that, they ain't.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: They are some of them less operational, less functional, less
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: happy than people with nowhere near their resources or money.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And that's, as I always say, that's not to say
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that one causes the other, just in that having more
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: money doesn't cause happiness, having lots of money doesn't cause misery.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: It's just an interesting observation because we grow up in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: this collective thinking that well, more staff equals more success,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and of course success equals happiness. But when you look
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: at that outside of the theory, outside of the laboratory
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of the mind, and you get out into the world
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and talk to humans, you're like, I know that that's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: not true at all, because all made over there has
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: got fuck all and is the happiest bloke I've ever met.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know one a lady that we've had on this
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: show that Tiff knows and loves and I know and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: love Nikki. She's a death dueler. She works with people
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: who are dying and she does assist. She's a nurse.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: She's a high level nurse, she's also we met doing UNI.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: She did exose science with me one hundred years ago
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and without being at all what's the word disrespectful? She
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: lives a very modest life, right She is maybe the happiest,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: most content calm person I know. And it's not you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: don't know how people role play it. She doesn't. She
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: don't even do social media, she doesn't watch TV. She
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a heater in her house, like she doesn't
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like her life is so eighteen forty two. I don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: know how the fuck she exists in the middle of it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know something that probably that I don't,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And you know, so one doesn't necessarily equal the other
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: steps down off soapbox hands over the mic to either
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: one of you.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I was just thinking, I mean, everything comes at a
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: cost of something else.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: And so when we start.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: To prioritize career or success or achieving a goal, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: we start making these micro decisions that that's a priority,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and then there's a story that builds on that, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: that's where our time and attention goes. The cost is
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: am I investing in the relationships and the people around me,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: and because that's what gives me a sense of belonging
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: like I'm the worst at that. Tiffany in twenty twenty
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: four and Tiffany in twenty twenty five, albeit helping with
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: some HRT definitely, But even before that, my mindset of
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: my life is two polar opposite things, and my life
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: and my income and the way I work. The only
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: thing I've changed is having a couple of days off,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But my the way I view that so different. Last
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: year I was bitter and angry, not angry, but bitter
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: and tired and frustrated, and nobody works as hard as
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: me and gets as little as me. Like this story
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: in the back of my head was just rubbish. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: this year, I'm like, nothing's changed, but.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I'm so relaxed about it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I've got a pretty good life. I've got
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: so much flexibility and.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I'm doing Okay.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: What's the fucking rush That there was a study done
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and it you know, like I know that you traveled.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I know that you traveled, tiff and.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: You went to the Humalayas and you it was like
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: an epiphany for you, really, wasn't it? Like it was
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: just because I think, you know, we do we have
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a we grow up and we go through life sort
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of putting a happiness on the other side of something,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and I've been guilty of that as well.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm trying to.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Be more self aware as to what's driving me and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: this need for achievement. And there was this really interesting
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: study that there was about six hundred and fifty thousand
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: data points, so it was done through an app and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: people who were involved in this study were asked at
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: random times across a period of the study, what are
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you doing, what are you thinking about?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And how happy are you?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And we know the data, like you probably heard, the data,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you know, showed that forty seven percent of the time
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: people were thinking about something other than what they were doing,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: but overwhelmingly. But it also showed was that that people
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: were most happy when their attention was on what they
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: were doing in that very moment. And you know, we
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: hear about mindfulness. We know how powerful meditation. It was
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: very healing for me when I was coming through depression.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I was meditating twice a day for twenty minutes, long
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: before kids, and it was just absolutely life changing. But
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: if we can have the gratitude and the appreciation and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: our attention in the moment, this moment and then this
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: moment and now this moment that's really where we find happiness.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And yet you know, we just have to open our
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Instagram feed to see who's in the Bahamas or who's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: got the new car and anyone listening. Like I know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I had a sports car attitude or shiny red coupe
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: that I just thought was so amazing. Then I got depression,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and when I came through that, I realized none of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that matters if you don't have your mental health. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I regained it through bringing my attention into the present moment.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And it's so simple and it's so accessible, but it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: very hard to do.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: It's very, very hard to do.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But the more we can all do it for ourselves,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the more we'll enjoy this very precious life we've got
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: because we wish it away or we try to rush
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: through one moment to get to the next, and then
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: we're just resetting the goalposts.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I wrote something a long time ago
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I put up the other day I've been trying to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: find it says, sometimes we don't appreciate how great our
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: life is until something bad happens and our reality has changed.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And when that happens. All we want is our old
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: life back, the one we complained about. You know. It's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like I think, I always say to Melissa, and I've
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: said this a million times here, but if I complain
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: about my life, punched me in the face because and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I mean literally punched me in the face because I'm
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the problem, because my life is so I reckon. For me,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: this sounds really counterintuitive and contradictory, but one of the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: biggest gifts for me has been and continues to be
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: working with people, supporting people who've got real problems, Like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have any real problems. It's like all my
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: problems are bullshit.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Even people are off and ah, how's your mom and dad?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I go, yeah, you know, it's it's solid. It's a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: bit tough at times, but they're eighty five and eighty six,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so also good do you know, Well, hey they're not dead.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And I know that's always way to talk, but hey,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: they're not dead, So thumbs up. Because most people buy
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: their age, aren't their age?
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they've got around.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, outside of circumstances. How do we honor the what
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: will always be a natural ebb and flow of our emotions,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: like in the best life ever, we're going to feel
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: our worst moments anyway, And sometimes, you know, like the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: realization that right now with my parents won't last forever
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: and that makes me feel sad. How do I honor
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: that without throwing a pity party?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I think that for me, and then I'll let the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: actual brains of the organization jump in for me. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: think it's been aware, being aware of What's.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: That is that you, Jody?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Being being aware of and acknowledging the feelings without
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: being controlled or hijacked by them. You know, having your
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: body and your brain and your mind hijacked by emotions
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: is not a great response, whereas acknowledging, like do I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: ever feel sad about my mum and dad? You know
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: passing away? Of course, of course. But I'm like, then
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: part of me goes, yeah, but now they're not dead, right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And I go, oh, yeah, well there's that, and you'll
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: see them Saturday. Yeah good, yeah good. And Ronald complained
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: about how shit Carlton are and Mama asked me nine
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: times if I want a cup of tea and I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: could squeeze it till she farts. What a great life,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like this the current like currently they're here,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: so let's not be sad before I get it. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: get it, but but I'm with you, TIF that is
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: an ongoing challenge, and I think I think emotions are
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: way more powerful than thoughts, by the way, yeah, because
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: emotions can literally you know, thoughts are powerful. But once
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you feel something, it's hard to unfeel that in the moment,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it's hard to And also there's that you know, that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: story and this is zooming back two or three minutes
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in the chat. But I wrote this down the old
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be happy when min set, Like if we just
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: took out the last word, I'll be happy, all right,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Like is there good stuff in your life? Yeah? Tell
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: me about that which no good? Because I say, we
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: have this ability to find a needle of negativity and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a haystack of hope.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So true.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I've got a question for Jodie.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: How often do you think, because we are obsessed with
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: or we have a need for certainty and we storytell
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: really quick, how often do you think we misinterpret or
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: put a story that doesn't really exist around the emotion
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: what we feel in the moment that then becomes a
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: thing that never existed.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do that. We do that a lot. And
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to quote Harps, I've heard you say this a lot.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Harps that the.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: World is not as it is, it's how we see
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: it and how I see This experience of recording this
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: podcast with the two of you is going to be
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a different experience for me because of everything I'm bringing
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to the table here on a Tuesday at lunchtime. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: so when it comes like the mind actually is a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: great storyteller, and.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: That is.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Something that takes us away from the moment in which
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: we can enjoy the peace and the happiness that's available
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: for us, because the story that we start to tell
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: ourselves around an experience will really impact how we feel
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And often we make a lot of stuff up. We
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: make a lot of stuff up.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Saying that our minds are like radio doom and gloom,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: like there's just a whole lot of noise. And so
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I think even just being aware that we can make
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: up a story around something and learn our patterns as well,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Like one of my patterns and I don't think it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: living with an anxiety disorder, it's just my temperament. I
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: think I'm a sensitive person and in over the years
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: when there'll be an experience whether or not I've had
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: an interaction with someone, or I've done a presentation or
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I've done something, and I think one way about it,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and then in the interactions that ensue after that, because
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of the way I'm thinking that they're reinforcing what I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: believe because I'm looking for certain cues. You know, there
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: was something recently that happened. I thought i'd I thought
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: i'd possibly upset someone. I won't go into the details
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: that might be listening, but i'd had a little I'd
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: had a little, just a slight verbal exchange with somebody
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't rude or nasty or raised voices or anything,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but somebody had through a little barb and I just
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: threw a little barb back. And the next time I
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: saw that person, that was on my mind, and I'm like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder what this interaction is going to be like.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: And then I'm thinking, well, just be mindful that you
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: don't create something out of nothing because of the way
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: you're approaching this situation.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And so I think when we can have that awareness of.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: These things play out each and every day, and that
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we can just take things at face value, do the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: best we can to keep our tea and present in
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the moment with the person that we're with or in
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the situation.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: That we're in. It just relieves us of all of that.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: What if questioning all the storytelling which usually takes us
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: down a dark road. It's it's a really it's a
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: really powerful thing that we can all do. And I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: worry that so many people are going to just miss
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the beauty in every day, in an every ordinary day,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: because that's really what a life's made up from, of
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: made up of are these ordinary days. Nothing special happens necessarily,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: but that's that's what life is, and that when we're
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: constantly looking forward or making up stories around experiences, we're
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: not being able, We're not able to access what's right
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: there for us in that very moment where we're safe,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: we're okay, we've probably got all of our needs met.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Most of us have all of our needs met really
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a really good question, TIF and
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think if we can start by thinking about stepping
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: out of the side of ourselves and asking ourselves, what story.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Am I telling here? What am I making this mean?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Is a great way to think about it. What am
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I making this mean?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And asking that question can often be enough to kind
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of circuit break pull you out of where you were
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: headed and you can focus back in on the moment.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it the other day.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I got up and I went, I've been going in
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: a two hour break on Mondays to the cafe to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: do some work, taking my laptop and loving it. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: got there and I just felt flat tied, demotivated, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I was like uninspired, and I'm like, oh, but I
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: noticed myself kind of go, oh, where's this going to go?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And then when I started processing, and I ended up
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: writing a post about it to process it for myself.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: By the time I did that, it got me focused
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: and it dissipated and I just got on with it,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: and it was interesting. It could have been the start
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: of just going into a funk for the day and
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: being a bit negative and miserable.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for no reason.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the post that you did, That's that's just the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: best way, isn't it, to step out.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Of it and like go, what's actually happening here?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know, like we're influenced, of course by
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the circumstances, like if you'd had a flat battery and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you couldn't get your bike starting, you missed an appointment
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and everything. Then we start telling our stories about how
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: we've let people down and what that means and what
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we didn't get done. But like stepping out of it,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: whether you're write a post or not, it's just to
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: think about it and not be swept away by it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And it's you know, we build that muscle by practicing
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: more mindfulness. Yeah, something I'm really passionate about, as you
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: can tell, I suppose, but I'm rapped that you were
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: able to do that, and then you're sharing it with
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: other people, so it brings it to their attention as well,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: so they can think differently about their own stuff.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tif, Remember you and I have both spoken with
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Joel Sardi. Oh yeah, And I remember it would have
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: been about this time last year, and I've done a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: little bit of mentoring and hanging out with Joel. And
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: people who know me famously know or no that I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: don't tend to travel. So if you live outside of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Hampton Man, bad luck. But Joel's a quadriplegic, right, so
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I thought I got appompciate him that super selfish lazy
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: me even that I'm like, ah, fuck, really do I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: have to go into the city to see you? Do
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you not know? I don't travel? And like, of course
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I was being a selfish prayer, right anyway, So I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: went to meet him right in close to the sea
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: on Saint Kilda Road. I took a motorbike. It was
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a beautiful day, and I will be honest, like I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't like I wanted to see him, but there was
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a tiny of resentment and a bit of like, why
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: don't you fucking come to me, Like a bit of
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that like come come and help you. It doesn't work,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you should come. All that just complete selfish prick right anyway,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: got in there, Joel, if you're listening, love you. Sorry.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Uh anyway, I got in there. I sat with him,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and it's the building that at that time he was
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: working in, you know, and he comes down in his
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: chair is kind of you know, and he's got he's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: got some function with his arms, but he can't really
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: grip his hands. Ah, you know, he doesn't have full
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: normal kind of grip and extension or finger extension, inflexion
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, so he can't you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: he's got limited capacity and obviously can't walk and Anyway,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we we spoke for about now, just about a range
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of stuff and his attitude, which just it made me
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: feel ashamed of the shit that I bitch about. And
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think I bitch much, but do I ever
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: bit a bitch a bit more to myself than out loud.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so we had a really good time and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: he went back up to his thing, and without him
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: telling me anything or encouraging me or like nothing, we
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just spoke. And as I walked to my motorbike, this
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: is so weird, I was almost crying. It was a
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: sunny day, some skilled road. I was walking through some trees,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can walk, I can get up
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: out of the chair and I can just walk to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: my motorbike and I can ride my motorbike home. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: he can never do that. Like if I said it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: going to cost you ten million dollars to be able
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to do what I can, he'd go. He'd find a way,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. And then it's like sometimes when you see something,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: or you're in the middle of something, or you experience something,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: then you get a perspective that you generally don't have.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, I can walk. I can bend over,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I can pick something up off the ground. I can
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: walk upstairs. I can turn on a tap and there's
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: cold water. I can push a button and there's warm air.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I've got a house. I've got a house. I've got
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a bed, I've got a car, I've got a motorbike.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I've got people that love me. I live in Melbourne.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: How fuck I mean, might won the lottery. I won
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the life lottery. Like, there's so much amazing shit that,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Which is not to say bad things don't happen to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: people in Melbourne of course, or anywhere, but yeah, I
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: just think that for me, that working with people that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: have really genuinely got it hard, as I said earlier,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, that's been the gift for me.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why gratitude. You know, it's no news
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: to anyone that gratitude, we know contributes to our state
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: of mind and our happiness. But it teaches us to
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: look for the good. So writing it down is one thing,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: but it trains your brain to start noticing all the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: good stuff you've got going on. And sometimes it takes
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: seeing someone who hasn't to go wow, Like I take
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: so much for granted.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: We all it takes so much for.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Granted, and you just have to sprain your pinky to
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: realize how much you rely on every single digit on
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: your hand to you know, to function normally in a day.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I met Joel.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: We spoke at the fundraiser event together, you, me and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Joel and If as well.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, all four of us. I want to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: just bring it back full circle. I just want to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: talk about one thing quickly.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: And there's why I've got blue teeth. No, you leave
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: that out there. People can wonder, yeah, well, because she's
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: an alien.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to thinking about the almost the what's
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the word, the friction between biofeedback, you know, what our
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: body's telling us that I believe we've kind of turned
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: off from most of us and tech feedback. It's like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like we would trust the technology more than
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the biology. And like even when and Tip's done that,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and I've done that, you know where her body's gone. Nah,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you're good, And then she looks at something and then
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: she believes there's something not her own body. But it's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: so easy to do because we're so tech regulated.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: It's some introception, is the sense that we have to
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: be able to tune into and interpret what feelings we're
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: having in our body. Yes, and not everybody can tune
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: in well and recognize and understand and interpret well, some
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: people more than others. And you know, we've like, you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: so right, We've got this incredible brain body, this system
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: that is constantly giving us feedback. We're very good at
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: tuning it out and being influenced by less by what
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: we need and what we know will make a difference
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: for us, and more by what we might take our
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: fancy in the moment, or what we might feel like doing,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Like should go out for a walk after dinner. It's
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: really good for you because your blood sugars and your
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: heart health and fresh air and all that. But I
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: feel like watching Netflix. It's yeah, what we feel like
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: can influence our decisions, but the information is often there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, you just got to go to the toilet,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: and when you check the color of your Wii in
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: the loof, it's too dark. You dehydrated, Like, there's constant
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: feedback all day.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Bringing it back back around to where we start out
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: of this conversation to talk about testicles slightly removed, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it's there's feedback all day, but we're so so much noise,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and there's so much outside influence, and we're so distracted.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: We don't we don't read the benefits of tuning in
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and then making decisions based.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: On what it is that we're noticing.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: When you say you go to the toilet, I was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: so hoping you're going to talk about Pooh. I just
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: got so excited and.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: She goes to fucking worrying number ones.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Come back, come back when you want to talk about Pooh.
• 51:33
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• 52:38
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• 52:51
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• 53:04
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  Speaker 3: next time. Harps, thank you very much.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I will. Thanks Jody, thank you both.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks Harpsier