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Shad Sullivan Discusses Legal Battles and Rural Community Challenges · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome into this special edition of the Patriot Broadcasting Project.
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  I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
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  With me today is American cattle rancher, Chad Sullivan.
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  Chad, welcome to the show.
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  Thank you very much, Bubba.
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  Well, you do more than, ranch cattle.
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  Obviously, there's a lot of property involved with that.
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  You have another fancy title that I couldn't remember the name to.
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  So why don't you go ahead and tell us about that, and and we'll dive right into why we're
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  talking today.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm just an American cattle rancher, like I said, and I am the private property rights
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  chair, committee chair at RCAF USA.
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  We're the largest, self funded and driven cattlemen's organization in The United States.
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  Well, and property rights are exactly why what has brought us together today.
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  We're here supporting the Maude family who are in a battle over not just property at this
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  point, but their own lives and their livelihoods.
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  Facing a lengthy prison sentence from the national government, a big government that has
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  grown accustomed to overreach.
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  And that's why, we're coming together to to shine some light on not just this one case, but
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  I'm sure there's several hundred or thousands of cases like this across the country every
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  year.
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  Can you shed a little bit of light on, their situation, and we'll kind of pick things up
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  from there?
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  Yeah.
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  So about a year ago, back in, February, there was an anonymous hunter, that turned a no
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  hunting sign in to the Forest Service.
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  So the mods have 25 acres approximately of Forest Service land inside of their land on
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  kind of on the edge.
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  And, there they had a no hunting sign apparently on that, which most of us do.
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  But, apparently, somebody, turned that into the forest service.
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  The forest service come out to see it, all about it.
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  They took the sign down.
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  And then as things went on, the forest service decided that they recognized, that the property
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  line or the fence line on the survey boundary was off.
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  And now who knows?
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  If it's off a foot, it may be off a foot.
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  It may not be off at all.
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  The the mods have been ranching here for a hundred and fourteen years.
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  Charles and Heather are their sixth generation, fifth or sixth generation.
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  This fence in question was put in pre '19 '50, so long before, Charles and Heather were born
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  or even their fam or their parents were born.
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  So, whether it was really off the line, who knows, but that's really the the extent of what
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  happened.
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  As time went on, that happened in March.
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  Agent a special agent by the name of Travis Lenderz, who seems like the more we learn about
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  him, the more trouble we find out he has caused all kinds of of forest service allotment owners
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  over the years.
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  He is the one in question here.
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  And so to remedy this situation, the Maude family says, well, let's use our common sense
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  and let's use the small tracks act.
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  Let's, trade land.
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  Let's get the fence back on.
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  Let's just do something so it doesn't interrupt our business and go forward.
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  Okay.
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  So then, fine, that starts they start communicating a little bit.
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  And, as time goes on, enters special ranger, a gal by the name of Julie Wheeler.
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  And, they come they start talking and trying to transact, you know, an an unfolding event here
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  that could be remedied very easily.
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  And, while they're visiting, they bring out a survey crew.
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  Right?
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  And the problem with the survey crew is, you know, the mods own half the fence.
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  The forest service owns half the fence.
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  So, really, to to do a survey right, you have to have a third party verification system
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  there.
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  Right?
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  And, that wasn't happening.
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  So as communicated communication went forward, Heather and Charles asked the Forest Service
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  just they said, you're welcome to come across our land anytime.
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  But when you do, please notify us because you have to cross their private property to get to
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  the property in question.
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  And after that request was made, everything went silent.
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  Just nothing else happened.
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  Communication stopped.
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  They had just previous to that, they had, requested a meeting with Senator Rounds and the
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  Forest Service together.
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  So, the mods and Senator Rounds, they came together and said, hey.
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  Can you guys can the Forest Service meet on so and so date?
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  And Travis Lender Landers and, Julie Wheeler said, no.
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  We can't.
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  We don't we we don't have those dates available.
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  So that meeting with, senator Round's office never took place.
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  And upon that, communication stopped.
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  Well, in February, eighty seven days later, Travis Lender shows up armed on the Maude
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  family ranch and in and hands over indictment papers, federal indictment papers, for theft of
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  government property, each to Charles and to Heather separately.
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  Okay?
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  And, with that came a possible five years in prison each and $250,000 fine each for theft of
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  government property.
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  Now the property in question has never had any sort of, change to it.
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  And, of course, as we go on with this case, the forest service is coming up with, more more
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  stuff that they thought that the mods were aware of, and they thought, you know, the
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  forest service is claiming all all these claims.
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  And one of those is that the mods were aware of this four years ago.
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  Well, the forest service, the mods are like, we've never heard about any of this, and they
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  are in good standing.
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  They have no infractions since nineteen o six.
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  They have zero infractions.
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  They are in good standing with the forest service even today as they have been indicted,
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  and, the saga goes on.
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  That's where we're at right now.
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  We have, been working with them.
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  Several groups and individuals have been working for and with the mods to get this case
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  remedied for, well, since last last June, really.
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  And, of course, the Biden administration was, over that.
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  They're the ones that levied the charges against them, and then we had hope that
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  president Trump coming in would make a change in this.
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  So far, we we haven't had that change.
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  We are screaming and yelling at the top of our lungs for secretary Rick Rollins, Department of
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  Agriculture, who is over the forest service to get this remedied through the Department of
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  Justice and President Trump.
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  Nothing has happened yet.
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  I feel like we're getting closer to some sort of rectification, if if that is such a word,
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  but we need to do it.
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  Because Charles and Heather and their two young children these people are in their thirties.
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  And their two young children are under immense stress and pressure.
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  Obviously, obtaining two lawyers because they're individually indicted and holding a gag
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  order in your own home, you can't talk about the case with your spouse, is, wreaking havoc
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  on their emotional life, and such goes your your financial and your physical life.
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  Right?
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  Who knows what these these bills are that are gonna come from these lawyer lawyer fees, not
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  to mention the the forest service.
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  You know, if they if they are convicted, and levied $250,000 fine, how do you come up with a
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  half a million dollars when you don't have it right?
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  And You sell the land.
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  Right?
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  I mean, which which at best, it feels like like, at best, it's coercion.
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  Right?
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  They're they're getting all these charges leveled against them because they decided to
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  stand up for themselves, which from the outside and just really hearing the story for the first
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  time.
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  And at worst, it's blatant extortion.
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  It's just saying, well, you don't wanna do what we say, then we are going to leave the put the
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  lean on you with the full weight of the US government and all of these agencies, and we're
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  going to at least scare you into possibly settling over it or possibly losing your entire
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  livelihood.
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  Well, I have a lot of experience dealing with these kinds of situations, and they are not
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  new.
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  Okay?
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  Let me get that through your through to you.
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  They are not new.
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  But what has happened, really, in the last twenty years is an incremental infiltration of
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  radical ideologues into our governments from the bottom up.
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  I mean, from the local governments clear up to the top.
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  And with that infiltration, they infiltrate into these bureau bureaucratic agencies.
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  And that is what we're seeing because these people think they have power that they don't
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  have.
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  Right?
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  And, it's it's it's trampling on not only private property rights, but it's trampling on
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  constitutional rights.
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  And the and all of this all of this that we're seeing, Bubba, is about the land.
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  It's not about climate change.
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  It's not about carbon footprints.
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  It's not about methane.
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  It is about the land.
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  They have to have the land.
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  And we are daily, we are uncovering more and more very interesting conflicts that there are
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  environmental organizations out there in this area that perhaps perhaps down the road want to
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  create a wildlife corridor, and they would have to have some of these parcels of land to do
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  that.
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  And so there is an alter alternate ulterior motive in what's going on, and it's very
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  dangerous.
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  And it's dangerous to, the constitution.
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  It's dangerous to liberty and freedom, and it's dangerous to your local economy.
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  You see, once you take all of these people off of the land, and that's their goal, however
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  they have to do it, put you in prison, seize the land.
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  We see it all the time.
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  Once you once you remove the people from the land, your communities die.
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  Right?
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  Your churches and your schools die.
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  Your small towns die.
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  We're already dying in rural America.
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  And the the end goal is this is for the global elite and the elitists across America to have
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  control of production and consumption.
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  And what they call what what that's called for them is sustainability.
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  That's what this is about.
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  They're picking winners and losers.
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  And the only way they can have control of production and consumption is to have control
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  of the land.
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  And, ultimately, it is all about private property rights.
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  Yes.
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  And that's we actually had a big win here in South Dakota Yes.
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  Recently, protecting ourselves from some of these other, you know, these pipelines, these c
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  o two pipelines.
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  I know that the, the Keystone pipeline just ruptured or whatever they said.
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  I don't know.
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  A brand new pipeline is all of a sudden bursting open and spewing oil all over the land
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  as well through private property, through public property.
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  This was just days ago, Shad, so I I don't even know how I came across it.
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  But, so obviously, a lot of these things that just trample over top of private property
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  rights is just there has to be an end.
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  And because they've been running rampant for really the last twenty five years, besides a
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  small break there in possibly in president Trump's first term, I think our major problem
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  right now is that there's so much happening around the world that we're not able to cut
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  through all of that noise for one small family to say, hey.
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  This is a bigger issue than just one family.
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  Right?
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  And
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  Correct.
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  Some attention brought to it, which is exactly why we're here doing what we're doing today is
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  to raise that awareness and to get this story out as much as we can and to have it go out
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  into the wider world to maybe bring some retention to this because it could be taken
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  care of.
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  With the fell swoop of a pen
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  One pen.
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  This could go away and be done.
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  We just need to cut through that noise.
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  What we're what we're seeing what what has happened is with this infiltration of into
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  these agencies, and then the Trump transition team, took place, the Trump transition took
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  place, we have a lot of holdovers.
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  And what those holdovers do is they they melt back in because they know Trump is a
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  constitutionalist and he's conservative.
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  Right?
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  So these radical ideologues, they don't wanna lose their jobs.
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  So they melt back in and they kinda fit in until the next round of attacks can take place
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  whenever the next leftist, agenda, becomes about.
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  But I will tell you this, Bubba, this issue and these issues are all over The United States.
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  I hear about them every single day, and we've got to remedy all of them.
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  But this issue with the mods in South Dakota is the preeminent issue of our time right now
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  concerning secretary Rollins' overreach of the forest service and the rest of these agencies
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  that are overreaching.
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  And we have to have this rectified right now.
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  I mean, I think this is the time.
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  We're excited about secretary Rollins.
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  We're excited about her leadership.
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  She is a freedom maker, not a freedom taker.
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  But she if she doesn't act on this and drop all charges, if and she has the influence to do
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  that, I think that it's gonna turn into a bigger mess than than what we Right.
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  Because it sets precedence then.
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  And what what this case would do would set precedence precedents for them to do this to
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  more individuals.
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  That's
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  right.
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  To levy the entire weight of The US judicial system and all of that that money.
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  Right?
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  Because that's what they're up against.
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  The they could just bleed out any property owner.
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  Right?
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  It doesn't matter how much land you have.
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  We can just lean on you and lean on you and lean on you and and drag this out till you run
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  out
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  of home.
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  You got a molded farm anyway.
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  That's right.
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  Till you're broke.
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  And what what your listeners, the urban and, urban consumers need to understand is the more
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  people they take off the land, the more dangerous your food supply is.
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  Right?
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  That's what this is about.
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  It causes prices to go up because there's fewer producers.
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  We've already lost, you know, 650,000 producers in the last forty years.
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  That's the thing.
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  And when you say that this is a precedent setter, it is not only a precedent setter on
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  that end, it's a precedent setter on the other end.
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  And Trump and Rollins and Bondi have the power to make this a good case.
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  Because if they don't, it sets a precedent that these overreaching, ideologues and these
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  agencies can do whatever they want.
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  But on the other end, if they take care of this and they fire every one of them, and they all
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  need fire, the judge all the way down, fire every one of them, if they would take care of
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  that, that sets a precedent there and says, you know what?
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  This administration is not gonna put up with this nonsense.
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  This is America, the land of the free, the home of the brave, where liberty reigns and we're
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  gonna shine on the hill like we always have, but you
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  don't get to ruin it.
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  So where is this case taking place at?
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  Is this at the federal in Rapid City?
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  Correct.
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  So Federal Courthouse, Rapid City, South Dakota.
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  What's the date for that, Shad?
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  Well, I'm I'm really not sure.
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  The last date I knew was April 29.
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  And so the closer we get to April 29, the more pressure we're gonna put on these these
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  leaders.
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  But, you know, we the mods have great leadership in their district with,
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  representative Liz Marty May.
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  They have a lot of support just from the, you know, the constitutionalists, the the
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  conservatives of America, and certainly agriculture, and, those who lease government
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  allotments or or public lands have lent great support.
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  Now this isn't anything that we have to get radical about.
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  We can get this fixed and use our heads and and take the high route because we need to show
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  some class here and say this is what we're gonna do.
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  But I assure you, if it is not rectified in due time and when I say rectified, I mean charges.
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  Wrapped.
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  This needs to go away.
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  This is absolutely ridiculous.
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  But if it's not, we're gonna continue to put pressure on them and do may you know, they're
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  here what what people forget is that these agencies and these government institutions are
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  here to serve us.
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  We're the boss.
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  Our government is from the bottom up, not the top down.
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  And when we have these ideology or ideologues infiltrating into these agencies, they become
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  powerful.
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  And I'll tell you another problem that's happening is these, the the coming on of public
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  private partnerships.
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  Right now, even in this case, I think that we could prove that there's a public private
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  partnership between, USDA, and some of these ENGOs that are buying up this land out out in
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  Custer County, South Dakota.
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  And so what happens with the public private partnership is you have radical environmental
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  organizations or any organization, and they get all of you know, they were funded World
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  Wildlife Fund was funded to the tune of $600,000,000 in 02/2023.
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  They can take that money and partner up with the United States Department of Agriculture,
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  the Forest Service, whatever government agency they want, and they could influence their
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  agenda to go a certain direction.
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  That's the dangers of partnership.
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  Now on the other end of that, we have heard governor Noem, who is now the head of the HHS,
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  talk about the use of public private partnerships for good.
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  We also have heard that from secretary Rollins.
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  I want those people to understand that you cannot use a public private partnership, which,
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  by the way, was enabled by the sustains act of 02/2023 by a republican, g t Thompson.
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  And what the sustains act did was it prioritized public private partnerships into
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  these agencies and allowed agency heads to make, rule make rules at their discretion,
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  bypassing congress.
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  That's the danger we're in.
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  It's not a democrat issue.
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  It's not a republican issue.
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  It's an American issue, and we gotta get it stopped.
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  This is big stuff now.
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  This is freedom faking.
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  What you're talking about isn't Democratic, and it isn't it isn't a Republican at all.
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  That is straight communism.
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  Communism.
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  You will you will do what you are told, and and we're just not here for that.
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  We have fought way too hard, especially in the last couple of years to pull ourselves away
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  from that, to let a family like the mods suffer a couple of young ranchers with a beautiful
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  young family to let them go by the wayside and to have to be be trampled by one of these
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  public private, it just doesn't make any sense.
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  There's two there's two groups of people here we have to honor.
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  Number one is it's the it's the men and women who shed blood for this country in the name of
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  liberty and freedom.
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  Those are the first ones.
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  Number two, it's this it's the kids that are coming behind us, coming my kids, your kids,
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  these people's grandchildren.
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  We have to leave this republic.
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  We're not a democracy.
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  I'm tired of hearing that.
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  We have to leave this republic in a shape that those kids get to taste the sweet taste of
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  freedom and liberty.
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  That's what this is about.
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  And they can't do that.
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  We cannot do that without the ability to own private property.
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  The very foundation of the constitution of The United States guarantees, resource access
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  through private property.
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  I don't know of a better way that we could end, this episode.
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  Chad, I appreciate you coming on the program today and shedding some light on the issue.
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  We're gonna do everything that we can, reaching out and sending this episode and others to
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  everyone that we know and encouraging them to send it to their legislators and see how far we
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  can climb this thing up.
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  And maybe it will finally fall on some ears that are ready to listen, and we can get this
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  taken care of.
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  I really think that they have listened.
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  I think they've heard, but they gotta take action now.
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  It's none nothing happens until action takes place, and I appreciate you letting us get this
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  story on, your podcast.
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  It's a very, very important story.
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  It is really the agriculture issue of our time right now.
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  It has to be rectified soon.
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  We're gonna pray that it does and, and pray that God shows his favor on America again.
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  Chad, can you share with us anywhere that we can find out more information about you and
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  your organization and this case in particular?
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  Yeah.
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  So you can go to my Facebook page, Chad Sullivan, American cattle rancher.
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  You can also go to my ex.
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  He's at yearlands.rcalfusa.com is a great place to go, and, there you can find, links to help
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  with the financial burden that the mods have incurred.
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  And I really suggest everybody kinda I I hate to ask for money.
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  I'm not that type of guy, but we these are big bills, and these are young people, and they are
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  community people.
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  They're family people.
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  I mean, Charles Maud, a gentleman told me yesterday, he said Charles Maude's never done a
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  thing wrong in his life.
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  And I know that he's been very influential in his local community.
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  He was a a national FFA award winner.
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  So was, Heather was very active in four h's youth.
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  They're volunteer fire people.
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  They're all about community, and this is just a travesty.
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  Well and I'd like to speak directly to Charles and Heather Maude right now and to tell them
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  that help is most definitely on the way.
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  You have a great team around you.
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  Chad's been very giving of his time today to share your story because obviously, you can't.
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  And and that's, part of what they're trying to do to you, but we're Americans.
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  We are here for you as well, and we're gonna do everything in our power to get this stopped and
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  to help you pay those lawyer bills that aren't gonna go away even if the charges are dropped.
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  So Yeah.
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  I think a big benefit concert or or something of that nature is in order regardless of what
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  happens on April 29.
• 23:07
  That's right.