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Sharri | 23 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thank you Andrew, and good evening. I'm
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Speaker 2: Caroline Marcus filling in for Shari.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, Labour's tax changes.
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Speaker 2: Is set to sail through after a deal with the
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Speaker 2: Greens and taxpayers will pick up the bill for another
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Speaker 2: NDIS delay as a result. Caleb Bond and Lachlan Leeming
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Speaker 2: will join me at the desk to discuss a win
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Speaker 2: for two Sydney nurses who succeeded in having a viral
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Speaker 2: video in which they allegedly threaten Israeli patients struck out
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Speaker 2: as evidence in their upcoming trial. I'll discuss what this
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Speaker 2: means for the prosecution with Chris Merit. And One Nation
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Speaker 2: is surging across the country, but Heston Russell has ruled
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Speaker 2: out leading the party in Victoria. The former Special Forces
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Speaker 2: major joins me live on why and where he.
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Speaker 4: Might run NEXTXT.
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Speaker 2: But first tonight, there are extraordinary claims the Albanesi government
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Speaker 2: delayed the appointment of its anti Semitism Envoy because it
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Speaker 2: was scrambling to fill its Islamophobia and void roll. First,
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Speaker 2: this is a scandal at a time when there was
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Speaker 2: an unprecedented level of due hatred in this country. That
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi put off filling this crucial role all because
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Speaker 2: he wanted the optics of balance. That is an outrageous
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Speaker 2: abrogation of his duty to keep Australian safe. In a
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Speaker 2: submission to the Royal Commission, which we've obtained a copy of,
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Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Jury President Daniel Agion says he
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Speaker 2: first had a meeting with the Prime Minister about the
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Speaker 2: idea of appointing an anti Semitism envoy back in December
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, two months after the October but seven
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Speaker 2: terror attacks in Israel. He writes, the Federal government responded
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Speaker 2: to me to the effect that they would agree to
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Speaker 2: our proposal if in Islam of phobia and void were
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Speaker 2: also appointed. He accepted that, but months later, when neither
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Speaker 2: appointment had been made, an extremely frustrated Agion claims he
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Speaker 2: was told by several government representatives the appointment of an
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism and voy was held up because of the
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Speaker 2: government's inability to fill an unrelated position, which we considered
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Speaker 2: the government had created for political reasons to demonstrate even handedness.
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Speaker 2: Agion told Chris Kenny the phony equivalents the government was
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Speaker 2: drawing between anti Semitism and islam Islamophobia demeaned the real
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Speaker 2: issue at the heart of what was happening in the country.
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Speaker 5: The equivalence demeans is that we're talking about if we
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Speaker 5: had mosques attacked in this country, then of course we'd
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Speaker 5: be saying I'd be saying, you would be saying, Chris,
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Speaker 5: the average Australian would be saying, this is unacceptable, we
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Speaker 5: will stand for it.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: I was at the Prime Minister's announcement that Gillian Siegel
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Speaker 2: was being appointed to the role of Anti Semitism Envoy
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Speaker 2: back in July twenty twenty four, and when Albinizi used
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Speaker 2: that press conference to also announce he would soon be
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Speaker 2: naming the Islamophobia and Voy, it immediately struck me as
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Speaker 2: political opportunism.
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Speaker 7: We have seen since October seven last year, a significant
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Speaker 7: rise in anti Semitism in Australia and that is why
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Speaker 7: the government has made the decision to appoint a Special
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Speaker 7: Envoy on Anti Semitism, and I'm very pleased that Gillian
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Speaker 7: Siegel has agreed to take up that role. Shortly, we'll
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Speaker 7: also be announcing an Envoy on Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: The key problem for social cohesion and national security in
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Speaker 2: this country was and has never been Islamophobia. It is
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. In fact, it is radical Islam. It is
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism spurred on and emboldened by the murder of
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Speaker 2: twelve hundred people, mostly Jews, and the kidnapping of two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty others by an Islamist terror group har
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Speaker 2: Maas in Israel on October seven. The fact Albanezi felt
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Speaker 2: that to be seen to be confronting the real issue,
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Speaker 2: he had to invent an equivalent position to seemingly appease
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Speaker 2: Muslim voters and the hard left is a perverse political maneuver,
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Speaker 2: and the fact that in the time that it took
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Speaker 2: for him to fill this symbolic role, examples of jew
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Speaker 2: hatred only grew and became even more brazen should outrage
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Speaker 2: every Australian. Jillian Siegel was appointed six months after the
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Speaker 2: government had originally agreed to the idea of an anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism envoy.
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Speaker 4: In those six months, six.
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Speaker 2: Hundred Jewish creatives were docked from a private WhatsApp chat.
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Speaker 2: The electoral officers of Labor MPs Josh Burns and Mark Drafis,
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Speaker 2: were vandalized with anti Semitic graffiti and a Melbourne Jewish school,
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Speaker 2: Mount Scopus Memorial College was defaced also with anti Semitic slurs.
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Speaker 2: Not to mention the insult this poses to the man
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Speaker 2: appointed to this token role just so that the federal
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Speaker 2: government could virtue signal to Muslim voters Islamophobia envoy after
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Speaker 2: Marlik told The Australian the documented rise in Islamophobia cannot
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Speaker 2: and should not be reduced to a political balancing exercise.
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Speaker 2: But the fact is the rates of anti Semitism and
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Speaker 2: Islamophobia are just not comparable.
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Speaker 4: In an opinion.
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Speaker 2: Piece for the ABC published last year, the CEO of
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Speaker 2: the Online Hate Prevention Institute, doctor Andre Oberler, points out
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Speaker 2: statistics on anti Semitism collated by the Peak Jewish Body
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Speaker 2: were limited to incidents defined as racist violence and exclude
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Speaker 2: online discourse such as social media posts.
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Speaker 3: And comments that aren't threats of violence.
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Speaker 2: But if all these posts were included in the statistics, doctor.
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Speaker 3: Oberler says the number of incidents would rise to almost
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Speaker 3: sixty seven hundred in a year.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Islamophobia registered does include online posts and comments,
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Speaker 2: which captured nine hundred and thirty two incidents in the
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Speaker 2: year after October seven, twenty twenty three, which is to say,
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Speaker 2: while bigotry of any kind is unacceptable, you simply cannot
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Speaker 2: equate close to sixty seven hundred anti Semitic incidents to
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Speaker 2: nine hundred and thirty two Islamophobic ones. And it's undeniable
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Speaker 2: that we have not seen the same scale and severity
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Speaker 2: as the attacks on Jewish people people in the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community as those in the Islamic one now. Aggie On's
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Speaker 2: submission also points out that even when this long awaited
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism envoy released her plan to combat the scourge,
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Speaker 2: it sat on the government's desk for more than five
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Speaker 2: months until the government finally responded after the Bondi attack.
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Speaker 5: The government certainly sat on it for about five months
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Speaker 5: and then implemented.
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Speaker 6: In the week post Bondi. There was a real delay
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Speaker 6: there and we never got an answer as to why
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Speaker 6: there was that delay.
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Speaker 2: And indeed, today we were presented with yet an another
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Speaker 2: example of where anti Semitism can lead after a rabbi
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Speaker 2: and a police officer were killed overnight in a horror
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Speaker 2: shooting in Montreal, where gun violence is rare. Just like
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Speaker 2: here in Australia, Canada has experienced an enormous increase in
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Speaker 2: reports of attacks against Jews since October seventh.
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Speaker 3: The revelations about.
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Speaker 2: The envoys also come as the Australian Education Union claims
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Speaker 2: it is harder to teach students about the Holocaust during
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Speaker 2: the war in the Middle East, with some teachers quote
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Speaker 2: refusing to teach Muslim students about the mass.
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Speaker 3: Murder of six million Jews in World War II.
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Speaker 4: It is disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Holocaust survivor Eddie Boas told me today he's addressed schools
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Speaker 2: around the country but has not once been invited to
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Speaker 2: talk to students in Western Sydney, where there is a
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Speaker 2: high population of Muslim students. This is a quote from
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Speaker 2: my conversation with him today. He said, it's more the
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Speaker 2: teachers than the students. I've been doing this for more
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Speaker 2: than ten years and I've never ever had any problems
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Speaker 2: with students.
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Speaker 3: Eddie believes this aversion.
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Speaker 2: To teach the Holocaust from some teachers may come from
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Speaker 2: their own experiences at university being exposed to anti Israel
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Speaker 2: and yes, anti Semitic views. Eddie has been pushing for
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Speaker 2: his documentary on surviving concentration Camp bergen Belsen to be
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Speaker 2: made mandatory viewing. For New South Wales students, a material
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Speaker 2: like this documentary, an education about the Holocaust and anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism more widely.
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Speaker 3: Are more important than ever. Otherwise we're doomed to have.
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Speaker 2: More future leaders who are ignorant about where this hatred
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Speaker 2: can lead. Well, the Greens is set to wave through
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Speaker 2: Labour's first tranch of negative gearing and capital gains tax
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Speaker 2: changes after securing a deal to crackdown on self managed
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Speaker 2: super funds borrowing to buy property in exchange for their support.
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Speaker 2: The file Left party has secured an eight week delay
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Speaker 2: to the NDIS inquiry, which Health Minister Mark Butler says
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Speaker 2: will cost the.
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Speaker 3: Budget hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now Sky and his host Caleb Bond and
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Speaker 2: the Australians News South was political reporter Lachlan Leaming. Gentlemen, welcome,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in.
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Speaker 4: Caleb.
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Speaker 2: We knew these tax reforms were likely to pass. But
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Speaker 2: what do you make of the deal the government struck
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Speaker 2: with the Greens in order to get them through.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's expedient, I suppose for the government. There are
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Speaker 8: elements of it that are probably better than it otherwise
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Speaker 8: would have been. There's been a winding back in the
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Speaker 8: ministerial discretion that the Treasurer would have had to basically
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Speaker 8: change the rules any time he pleases and decide who
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Speaker 8: things didn't apply to and to what deliveled they did
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Speaker 8: or did not apply. So I think in general that's
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Speaker 8: a good thing. But this business about you can't borrow
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Speaker 8: money in a self managed super fund in order to
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Speaker 8: borrow property. What is it specifically about a self managed
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Speaker 8: super fund that the Greens have a problem with. I mean,
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Speaker 8: I understand what the Greens might be trying to drive at,
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Speaker 8: but I think you'd find that to many members of
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Speaker 8: the Greens and people who vote for the Greens would
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Speaker 8: themselves be the sort of people who have self managed
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Speaker 8: super fund. So they might be shooting themselves in the
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Speaker 8: foot there. But who is to say what sort of
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Speaker 8: person or an entity controlled by a person should or
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Speaker 8: should not be able to borrow money in order to
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Speaker 8: have a property. I mean, you know, we're simply talking
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Speaker 8: about whether or not it is in your name as
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Speaker 8: an individual, or whether it not it sits in the
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Speaker 8: super fund. Yes, you have better tax concessions for having
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Speaker 8: a property in a super fund, but the purpose of
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Speaker 8: having it in a super fund is so that you
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Speaker 8: have money when you retire, so that the government doesn't
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Speaker 8: then have to pay you a pension or any other
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Speaker 8: form of benefits which they're not good for the country too.
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Speaker 3: Is really having a massive impact on housing supply, and.
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Speaker 8: I mean I wouldn't believe so no.
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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, Lachlan.
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Speaker 2: Voters keep hearing the NDIS is unsustainable, so how do
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Speaker 2: you expect them to feel that this inquiry about the
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Speaker 2: cuts to the NDAs is now going to drag on
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Speaker 2: for another eight weeks. Clearly the government can have long
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Speaker 2: inquiries when you know when it might suit them, but
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Speaker 2: and covert a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 1: Look to take a step back.
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Speaker 9: I was on the election trail last year with Anthony Alberanezi.
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Speaker 9: Myself and other journalists must have asked a hundred times
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Speaker 9: will there be any deals between labor and the Greens.
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Speaker 1: We're always told no way.
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Speaker 9: That obviously hasn't materialized, And here again we've got today.
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Speaker 9: Key reforms are going to be held up. They're going
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Speaker 9: to happen, it's a matter of when. So why not
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Speaker 9: get cracking. But again, because the Greens. Labour's facing a
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Speaker 9: hostile Senate. The Greens have been able to make Labor
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Speaker 9: bend the nee again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember all that questioning from reporters and a
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Speaker 2: lot of it was, you know, because people didn't want
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Speaker 2: a file left party holding the government to ransom, and
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Speaker 2: yet here they are doing exactly that. New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Premier Chrismins is heading to a March election meanwhile with
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Speaker 2: a classic labor big spending budget, toll cap cuts, cheaper
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Speaker 2: car regi and frozen fares.
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Speaker 10: This is a budget that meets people where they are,
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Speaker 10: that appreciates how much pressure working families are under and
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Speaker 10: is a budget that central purpose is to make sure
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Speaker 10: New south Wales remains a state working families can afford.
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Speaker 2: Lachlan, I know you've been in the budget lock up today.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of it and what sort of
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Speaker 2: shape do you think it puts Chrismins in ahead of
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Speaker 2: the election.
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Speaker 9: Look, this is a budget to get through to that
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Speaker 9: March election, all right. All the cost of living relief
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Speaker 9: is for twelve months. It's only for a year, so
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Speaker 9: you get one hundred dollars off your rego.
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Speaker 1: That's a big one.
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Speaker 9: Open cards, public transport costs will be frozen for a year,
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Speaker 9: and that the toll cap will be brought down to
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Speaker 9: fifty dollars from sixty dollars.
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Speaker 1: You can start claiming money back all those measures for
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Speaker 1: one year.
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Speaker 9: So we've got an election in what March nine months
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Speaker 9: away or so everything is to get us through to
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Speaker 9: that point. The interesting aspect of the budget, I think
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Speaker 9: is is what I've been calling a magic pudding. There's
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Speaker 9: a one point one billion dollar fund. The money hasn't
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Speaker 9: been put anywhere yet. Watch for the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: Labor will start pulling out election promises.
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Speaker 9: Funded by that one point one billion dollar putting.
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Speaker 2: But what is all that spending going to ultimately cost
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Speaker 2: because it has to come from somewhere. So are these
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Speaker 2: weitners is going to be enough or will people think
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Speaker 2: that this is just more irresponsible spending.
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Speaker 1: They're walking in tightrope. They're walking in tightrope.
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Speaker 9: The Treasurer says they'll get back to surplus in two
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Speaker 9: years time. They need a lot of things to go
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Speaker 9: right for that to be the case, and their spendings
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Speaker 9: be more restrained than other governments in the country, for sure,
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Speaker 9: But at the same time, property price go down stamp
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Speaker 9: duty income falls for the government pretty quickly. You can
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Speaker 9: get yourself into a bad position.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Well we'll see what happens. The Albaneze governments
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Speaker 2: hand picked Dennis Richardson after the Bondi Beach terror attack
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Speaker 2: to examine police and security failures, but now Virginia Bell's
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission has effectively shelved Richardson's three week probe. Instead,
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Speaker 2: the Commission reinterviewed the same people that he spoke to
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Speaker 2: and won't treat Richardson's work as evidence.
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Speaker 4: Caleb.
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Speaker 2: When Dennis Richardson resigned from the inquiry, he did say
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Speaker 2: he had become surpluster requirements that now seems entirely valid.
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Speaker 8: Well indeed, I mean they made him surplus to requirements
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Speaker 8: because they thought they'd do all the same work all
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Speaker 8: over again, which I find rather odd now, of course,
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Speaker 8: the circumstances in which Richardson was chosen an eminently qualified
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Speaker 8: man to do such an investigation, and you know, former
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Speaker 8: Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Foreign Affairs, he was the
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Speaker 8: Director gen of Security. He knows what he's talking about.
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Speaker 8: But that was made in the context that the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister didn't want to have a Royal Commission, and so
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Speaker 8: this was effectively his answer to it. You would have
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Speaker 8: thought that the Royal Commission could then basically get a
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Speaker 8: head start by using the evidence that had already been produced.
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Speaker 8: For whatever reason, they've decided that they can do a
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Speaker 8: better job than mister Richardson. I don't quite understand why.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we've had two inquiries, why could they not
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Speaker 8: effectively be rolled into one? Because that was what the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister said would happen when he commissioned the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 8: that basically Richardson's work would be subsumed into the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 8: But that is not what has happened. And it's a
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Speaker 8: curious case as to why.
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Speaker 2: Lachlan, does it give you more confidence or less in
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission knowing that Richardson's work here is being
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Speaker 2: effectively dismissed.
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Speaker 1: What a waste of time and effort. In some ways.
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Speaker 9: The key thing for me here is that this Royal
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Speaker 9: Commission is meant is operating on a fairly unprecedented time frame.
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Speaker 9: It's meant to port back by the one year anniversary
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Speaker 9: of that BONDI tragedy. Now that we've got doubling up
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Speaker 9: of interviewing of agencies and police forces. When you're operating
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Speaker 9: on such a short time frame, it's just a ridiculous
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Speaker 9: use of the time.
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Speaker 11: You do have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it did strike me as they do have that
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Speaker 2: limited time frame. Virginia Belt wants to hand it down
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Speaker 2: by the first anniversary of the attack, and if they
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Speaker 2: have to read, interview witnesses and add extra blocks which
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Speaker 2: are worthy, they're going to do one. Looking at media
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Speaker 2: like the ABC and social media shortly, I don't know
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Speaker 2: how they're going to have time to fit it all in,
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Speaker 2: but I guess we'll see when the findings come down.
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Speaker 8: And keep in mind, I mean mister Richardson was doing
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Speaker 8: work on Christmas Day on this report, right, so he
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Speaker 8: put in significant time and effort. And you can imagine
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Speaker 8: how he must feel watching that basically be turfed out,
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Speaker 8: having been commissioned by the federal government to do it.
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Speaker 3: I imagine it wouldn't be a nice feeling.
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Speaker 2: But I think he'd also feel vindicated and his decision
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Speaker 2: to resign in the inquiry, And he did say he
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Speaker 2: felt he was overpaid, so maybe working on Christmas Day
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Speaker 2: wasn't such a huge labor for him. Look a new
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Speaker 2: Lowe Institute poll shows Australians trust in the US has
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Speaker 2: crashed to just thirty one percent, the lowest level in
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Speaker 2: twenty two years, with confidence in Donald Trump at just
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Speaker 2: twenty one percent. Lachlin, It's concerning, isn't it that voters
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Speaker 2: trust Trump, the leader of our closest ally at the US,
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Speaker 2: as much as they trust the ruler of the Chinese
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Speaker 2: Communist Party.
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Speaker 9: I think I understand where they're coming from, to be honest,
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Speaker 9: Like if you look at the Conflict of Iron, what
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Speaker 9: it's done to You've only got to go down the
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Speaker 9: road and fill up your car with petrol to see
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Speaker 9: that the actions Donald Trump and the US are taking
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Speaker 9: are having very real impacts on the hip pockets of
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Speaker 9: people here, probably to an unprecedented level. We haven't had
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Speaker 9: such a We're living in such a globally interconnected time
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Speaker 9: that the actions Donald Trump is taking may have once
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Speaker 9: scene very far away, but we saw how quickly, all
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Speaker 9: of a sudden, petro went up to a dollar ninety Here.
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Speaker 6: It hurts, It does.
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Speaker 2: Hurt, But I would argue that that was the rane
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Speaker 2: in regime closing the strait of moves, and something had
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Speaker 2: to be done about the nuclear threat from Iran. I
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Speaker 2: do have issues, as I've spelled out on this program
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Speaker 2: about the peace deal that's been struck. But what do
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Speaker 2: you think is driving this mistrust in the States.
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Speaker 8: Two things. It is, as Lachlan says, the real world
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Speaker 8: effects that everyday people feel because of the war, and
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Speaker 8: they finger Trump for that one. And it's a level
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Speaker 8: of Trump arrangement syndrome as well. I mean, I think
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Speaker 8: if you looked at it broadly, you could say that
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Speaker 8: what Trump has done in terms of his work with
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Speaker 8: NATO and allies such as the UK and Australia, has
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Speaker 8: actually made the West to a degree safer because he
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Speaker 8: has forced the allies that we would potentially be in
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Speaker 8: a war with if we were dealing with it China
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Speaker 8: for instance, to up their military spending. Now that is
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Speaker 8: fun to be really a good thing. It makes the
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Speaker 8: worst safer. But people aren't really thinking about that. They're
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Speaker 8: thinking about what they look at in their everyday lives,
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Speaker 8: and that is, of course the costs that have gone
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Speaker 8: up as a result of the war in Iran.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously it's affecting people's hip pockets.
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Speaker 2: No one can argue with that, and no one wants
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Speaker 2: to see if fuel prices go on. But it is
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Speaker 2: a good thing if Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 4: Although I don't know what's going.
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Speaker 2: To happen with this pcdl as I say there's anyone
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Speaker 2: in Harold's Political and International editor Peter Hartchet though, says
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Speaker 2: this dark and fearful mood that Australians are in is
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Speaker 2: exactly what Pauline Hansen has been waiting for. Caleb, I
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Speaker 2: think this oversimplifies the reasons for one nation's popularity, but
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Speaker 2: also Australia does have Australians have valid reasons for feeling
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Speaker 2: quite dark and fearful.
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Speaker 8: I don't think it's what Pauline Hanson has been waiting for.
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Speaker 8: I think it's been waiting for Pauline Hanson really. I
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Speaker 8: mean this has been coming for years, and sure it
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Speaker 8: is fun her time. But this phenomenon started, particularly in
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Speaker 8: Europe five years ago. You know, we saw it with
21:06
Speaker 8: Brexit in the UK and that's then led to the
21:08
Speaker 8: eventual rise of Nigel Farage and the Reform Party over there.
21:12
Speaker 8: You've seen the rise of right wing parties across mainland Europe.
21:16
Speaker 8: This is not something that is new, but it's finally
21:19
Speaker 8: happening in Australia. We're being hit by things that have
21:22
Speaker 8: hit the rest of the world. So you know, she's
21:24
Speaker 8: the woman for the moment. But I don't think she's
21:26
Speaker 8: been sitting around, you know, scheming and waiting for the moment.
21:29
Speaker 8: It is because I think Pauline Hanson would prefer a
21:32
Speaker 8: country that didn't need her to come to the fore.
21:36
Speaker 8: If everything was fine, we wouldn't be in this position.
21:39
Speaker 8: That's not her fault. She hasn't created division. She's simply
21:42
Speaker 8: dealing with what's in front of her.
21:43
Speaker 2: People are finally hearing her the message that she's been
21:46
Speaker 2: trying to get across for decades. Speaking of One Nation,
21:49
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson said on Sunrise Today she's ready to work
21:52
Speaker 2: with the coalition to get rid of the government, saying
21:55
Speaker 2: she's open to preferences.
21:57
Speaker 12: I'm not anti the coolish Bonomi, So I hope that
22:00
Speaker 12: we can work together because I want to get rid
22:03
Speaker 12: of this toxic Labor Greens Teals government that's actually destroying
22:07
Speaker 12: this nation. So in time, I'm sure we'll get to
22:10
Speaker 12: talk and strategize about preferences and that type of thing.
22:16
Speaker 2: Lachlan, surely it would make sense for the Coalition to
22:19
Speaker 2: look at making some preference deals with One Nation, considering
22:22
Speaker 2: their popularity and the coalition's record low unpopularity.
22:29
Speaker 9: It's incredible and if your angers Taylor, You've got to
22:32
Speaker 9: think very, very hard about having this conversation. The one
22:36
Speaker 9: thing I think might be interesting is whether Angus Taylor
22:39
Speaker 9: and the Federal Coalition waits for the results of some
22:42
Speaker 9: state elections coming up. We've got Victoria before the end
22:45
Speaker 9: of the year in March next year. That'll be a
22:48
Speaker 9: litmus test for whether One Nation can continue it already
22:51
Speaker 9: has in South Australia in Farah, whether it can continue
22:55
Speaker 9: to translate this record polling where they are smoking the coalition,
22:59
Speaker 9: whether they can translating that into seats. If One Nation
23:02
Speaker 9: does well in Victoria and the New South Wales state elections,
23:06
Speaker 9: Angus Tailor needs to pick up the phone and quickly.
23:09
Speaker 4: Yeah he does.
23:09
Speaker 2: And thank you for bringing up those state elections because
23:12
Speaker 2: it allows me to segue perfectly into my next guest,
23:15
Speaker 2: Lachlan Caleb. Thank you for your time tonight, and speaking
23:19
Speaker 2: of the state elections, One Nation is hoping to be
23:22
Speaker 2: a real force in the Victorian one in November.
23:24
Speaker 3: Fielding about twelve.
23:26
Speaker 2: Hundred expressions of interest from prospective candidates, even in the
23:31
Speaker 2: country's most progressive stage.
23:33
Speaker 4: Recent polling for Pauline Hanson's.
23:35
Speaker 2: Party has put the Coalition and Labor in fear One
23:39
Speaker 2: Nation could nab a number of Lower House seats. But
23:43
Speaker 2: one of the high profile names floated to lead the
23:46
Speaker 2: Victorian campaign, retired Special Forces major Heston Russell, has ruled
23:51
Speaker 2: himself out and I'm pleased to say Heston joins me now. Heston,
23:55
Speaker 2: It's always great to see you, But explain to viewers
23:59
Speaker 2: why you turned down the idea of leading One Nation
24:02
Speaker 2: in Victoria.
24:05
Speaker 13: Hey, get a Caroline, great to chat with you again. Look,
24:07
Speaker 13: I just moved down to Victoria myself in February, and
24:10
Speaker 13: I first had my stint down here the last election cycle.
24:14
Speaker 13: Last at election when myself and a colleague, Chris Berson,
24:17
Speaker 13: helped to do the sting to highlight the preference whisper
24:20
Speaker 13: scandal that was underway. And it's very disappointing to see
24:23
Speaker 13: that corruption still not corrected by the current government or
24:26
Speaker 13: agreed to buy the Liberals on the charge. But look,
24:29
Speaker 13: I'm here to support the team. I believe the true
24:32
Speaker 13: issue with current politics in Australia is the quality of
24:34
Speaker 13: people that are applying and being accepted as politicians and
24:38
Speaker 13: also the team around them.
24:40
Speaker 6: You know, my day is back in Canberra.
24:42
Speaker 13: It took me four years to go through some of
24:44
Speaker 13: the most professional leadership planning and teamwork training before I
24:48
Speaker 13: was allowed me to be in charge of, you know,
24:50
Speaker 13: a platoon of thirty people. And I'm proud to say
24:52
Speaker 13: that I'm LinkedIn with Pauling and the team and offered
24:54
Speaker 13: my support to help train whoever comes through a candidates
24:58
Speaker 13: and help them to select them. But I have other priorities,
25:01
Speaker 13: including my charity the Veteran Games. We just had an
25:03
Speaker 13: amazing event this last weekend and have two more events
25:06
Speaker 13: this year and I can't do both. And I'm here
25:09
Speaker 13: to support the team because Victoria does need a lot
25:12
Speaker 13: of work in my opinion, But it's a low hanging
25:15
Speaker 13: fruit that's right for the plucking in my opinion.
25:17
Speaker 2: Also, well, I'm going to talk to you a little
25:19
Speaker 2: bit more about those Veteran Games in a moment, because
25:21
Speaker 2: I know they won't the weekend. You have said that
25:24
Speaker 2: you do intend to run Heston at the.
25:27
Speaker 4: Next federal election. Will that be for.
25:29
Speaker 2: One nation or would you still run for your own
25:33
Speaker 2: party or something else, and what seat would that be?
25:36
Speaker 4: And do you know.
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Speaker 13: For sure, I'd love to run for the Senate at
25:40
Speaker 13: the next election, and I've made that no secret, And
25:43
Speaker 13: I've met with Paul at the start of the year,
25:45
Speaker 13: and if it's with One Nation and she wants me
25:48
Speaker 13: a part of a team, I'm willing to consider that. Look,
25:50
Speaker 13: there's still two years to go, and we'll see what
25:53
Speaker 13: water goes under the bridge, but it is time, I believe,
25:56
Speaker 13: especially working in this space, you can imagine what's been
25:59
Speaker 13: happening to the vets community even off the back of
26:02
Speaker 13: this latest budget, Ben Roberts, smith Burn Report, Royal Commission
26:05
Speaker 13: in to Defense and veteran suicide. So much of the
26:08
Speaker 13: stuff that I worked to help bring about, even the
26:10
Speaker 13: ABC people still not held accountable. You know, there's only
26:13
Speaker 13: so much that can be done outside of the House, essentially,
26:17
Speaker 13: and looking to get in there with the right team
26:20
Speaker 13: for the right reasons at a period in my life
26:22
Speaker 13: when I believe I'll be ready that's our next federal election.
26:25
Speaker 13: I'm definitely putting that out there, working towards that personally
26:28
Speaker 13: and professionally.
26:29
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, well, I think One Nation would be
26:31
Speaker 2: crazy if they didn't want to back you. Clearly they
26:33
Speaker 2: are very interested in having you be part of that team,
26:36
Speaker 2: so we'll keep a close eye on that.
26:38
Speaker 4: The other name that had been floated.
26:39
Speaker 2: For the Victorian leadership is Gina Ryanhartz right hand man
26:43
Speaker 2: Adam Giles. He was also, of course, the former Northern
26:46
Speaker 2: Territory Chief Minister. He too has ruled himself out of
26:50
Speaker 2: the running. Hasn't you say you're happy to help the
26:53
Speaker 2: party train up any candidates. They've had a lot of
26:56
Speaker 2: interest in the it from people who want to be
27:00
Speaker 2: potential candidates. Do you have any ideas of who would
27:03
Speaker 2: be good to lead one nation in Victoria?
27:08
Speaker 13: Look, Warren is the party president and he is a
27:11
Speaker 13: good man. He is a veteran, and he knows Victoria
27:14
Speaker 13: inside and out, and he is a man of the people,
27:17
Speaker 13: and that is what Victoria needs. The crime, corruption, cost
27:22
Speaker 13: of living. I'll actually extend it to be the community safety,
27:25
Speaker 13: including our rule sorry, the firefighters and what they need.
27:28
Speaker 13: Warren's all over it, and he's a good team around him,
27:31
Speaker 13: and I believe that he has the leadership skills, the
27:34
Speaker 13: teamwork skills, of planning skills, and the people around him
27:36
Speaker 13: to do that who that's going to be, because there's
27:39
Speaker 13: a massive difference between elections and getting elected and actually
27:43
Speaker 13: governing elections given they are mandatory to vote here in Australia,
27:47
Speaker 13: everyone is forced to vote, and particularly the media plays
27:49
Speaker 13: a key role in whipping up the excitement and I
27:52
Speaker 13: even saw it helping out down there at the p
27:55
Speaker 13: and by election.
27:55
Speaker 6: So many people are potentially.
27:57
Speaker 13: Still making up their mind even as they get those
27:59
Speaker 13: how to vote car off you. So bringing someone in
28:02
Speaker 13: that's a higher profile potential to help out with the
28:04
Speaker 13: election is a tactic. I personally believe that Warren is
28:07
Speaker 13: good to go and the team around him are good
28:09
Speaker 13: to go, and with the support of myself and others,
28:11
Speaker 13: if they want it, we're there to help them. But
28:14
Speaker 13: that's a decision for Pauline and all her extended team
28:17
Speaker 13: to make when the time comes, and to make that
28:19
Speaker 13: announcement themselves.
28:21
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll see what they decided to go with
28:23
Speaker 2: in the end. Let's talk about your charity now, because
28:25
Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast last weekend there were nine veteran
28:29
Speaker 2: teams taking on obstacle courses, rope climbs, tire flips and
28:34
Speaker 2: the Ninja Wall at Broadwater Parklands part of the Veteran Games.
28:38
Speaker 2: Of course, it was also the first year that members
28:40
Speaker 2: of the public were invited to take part and test
28:44
Speaker 2: themselves with the same challenges as competitors. That would have
28:47
Speaker 2: been very interesting to watch. It marks the fourth year
28:51
Speaker 2: of the Games. How did it go? And what are
28:53
Speaker 2: the plans for next year? And you mentioned a couple
28:55
Speaker 2: more events this year too.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well thanks Caroen asking it.
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Speaker 13: It's incredible, Like I formed the Veteran Games through my
29:03
Speaker 13: charity Veteran Support Force, and people can check it out
29:05
Speaker 13: at Veterangames dot com. Right during the middle of my
29:08
Speaker 13: fight with the ABC, where I was arguably in a
29:10
Speaker 13: pretty low place mentally. But it was actually at the
29:13
Speaker 13: time that the Royal Commission delivered their interim report the
29:16
Speaker 13: Royal Commission to Defense and Veterans Suicide and identified that
29:19
Speaker 13: loss of purpose, loss of community and loss of identity
29:22
Speaker 13: with three key factors leading to mental ill health and suicidality,
29:25
Speaker 13: especially within young men and women under the age of forty.
29:28
Speaker 13: So developed the Veteran Games, which gets able bodied veterans
29:31
Speaker 13: back together, forming their own team of eight and competing
29:34
Speaker 13: as a team with purpose in those events that you've
29:37
Speaker 13: spoken about, and this year it was the first time,
29:39
Speaker 13: as you can see from the footage there where we
29:41
Speaker 13: built the obstacles and we brought them out to the
29:43
Speaker 13: Broadwater Parkland and we head up to Darwin for an
29:46
Speaker 13: event on base at one Brigade with the military on
29:49
Speaker 13: the eighteenth of September, and then I'm super excited to
29:52
Speaker 13: announce I don't know if it's been in the media yet,
29:53
Speaker 13: but we'll be hosting our national finals this year at
29:57
Speaker 13: the Sunshine Coast Stadium on the twenty four than twenty
30:00
Speaker 13: fifth of Octoban. We're expecting two hundred and two hundred
30:03
Speaker 13: and fifty veterans participating and that is going to be
30:05
Speaker 13: a really big event, an event that I'm so looking
30:08
Speaker 13: forward to working with the team to provide something that
30:11
Speaker 13: the veteran community deserves. And as a part of this
30:14
Speaker 13: showcasing to the public and the stakeholders and decision makers
30:18
Speaker 13: and politicians will invite to it what veterans can do
30:22
Speaker 13: because as a community, we are excellent people and when
30:25
Speaker 13: we come together with purpose, we help shape and change
30:28
Speaker 13: the world.
30:28
Speaker 6: At a time where identity.
30:31
Speaker 13: Crisis, values, all of these things are being spoken about
30:34
Speaker 13: in Australian society. Mental ill health doesn't discriminate. The veteran
30:38
Speaker 13: community has experienced at a very hyper rate, and our
30:41
Speaker 13: ability to help bring some of those national values through
30:44
Speaker 13: actions and example are what I'm so excited about helping
30:48
Speaker 13: the veteran community achieve this year and again, as you
30:50
Speaker 13: can tell, probably from my passion talking to you here,
30:53
Speaker 13: that's where my true passion lies. While politics is where
30:55
Speaker 13: I would like to be in a few years time.
30:58
Speaker 13: Here and now on the opportunity we have this year
31:00
Speaker 13: with your support in the Australian community at Veterangames dot
31:02
Speaker 13: Com is a real passion, purpose and excitement I'm looking
31:05
Speaker 13: forward to bringing forward.
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Speaker 2: It is so great to hear your passion and this
31:09
Speaker 2: is so needed right now, Heston. I mean, we know
31:13
Speaker 2: the sentiment, the mood is at its lowest among the
31:16
Speaker 2: veteran community. Ben Robert Smith's arrest was one factor in that,
31:21
Speaker 2: but there's so many reasons, some of which you side
31:23
Speaker 2: that it's great to see this going stop well, Heston,
31:26
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time tonight, tonight, good
31:29
Speaker 2: luck with your political future coming up. Keirs, Darma is
31:32
Speaker 2: gone and Britain is set to crown another labor leader
31:36
Speaker 2: without taking it to the voters. First Talk TV host
31:39
Speaker 2: Phil Dave joins me later and the video that shocked
31:43
Speaker 2: Australia won't be shown to the jury in the Bankstown
31:47
Speaker 2: nurses trial.
31:48
Speaker 3: Chris Merritt joins me.
31:49
Speaker 4: After the break.
31:54
Speaker 3: Well.
31:55
Speaker 2: In an extraordinary ruling today, a judge has decided that
31:59
Speaker 2: a viral video in which two Sydney nurses allegedly threaten
32:04
Speaker 2: Israeli patients cannot be shown to a jury when the
32:08
Speaker 2: pair stand trial next month. Here's Sidney reporter Crystal Wu
32:12
Speaker 2: with more from the court.
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Speaker 14: A judge in the trial involving the former Bankstown Hospital
32:19
Speaker 14: nurses has ruled that the video evidence involving their conversation
32:24
Speaker 14: with Israeli influence at Max Vifer cannot be used as
32:28
Speaker 14: evidence during a pre trial hearing. The court considered recordings
32:33
Speaker 14: made during conversations on online video chat service chat Ruletka
32:39
Speaker 14: between Sarah Abu Lebdeir, Ahmad Rashad Nadir and Israeli participant
32:44
Speaker 14: Max Vifer. Lawyers for Abu Labdair and Nadir had argued
32:49
Speaker 14: in court the recordings were privately and illegally recorded without
32:54
Speaker 14: their consent. Judge McHugh found the recordings had been obtained improperly.
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Speaker 14: The prosecution alleges the recordings show the pair made menacing
33:04
Speaker 14: or offensive statements, including threats against Israeli patients. Both accused
33:10
Speaker 14: have pleaded not guilty. Following the incident, the nurses were
33:14
Speaker 14: stood down by New South Wales Health and prohibited from
33:18
Speaker 14: practicing in Australia. The matter is due to proceed to
33:21
Speaker 14: trial in August.
33:25
Speaker 6: Well.
33:25
Speaker 2: For more on this sensational ruling, let's go to Chris
33:28
Speaker 2: Marrett from the Rule of Law Institute. Chris, thank you
33:31
Speaker 2: so much for coming on. What does this ruling mean
33:34
Speaker 2: for the case? Can the trial go ahead now without
33:38
Speaker 2: this key piece of evidence?
33:39
Speaker 11: It's not game over. We're a long way from the
33:42
Speaker 11: end of this. The judge in this case did himself
33:46
Speaker 11: no favors at all by releasing just a snippet five
33:50
Speaker 11: scant pages of a judgment. The rest of it is
33:53
Speaker 11: covered by a non publication order. The bottom line is
33:58
Speaker 11: that this decision to exclude this video was a discretionary decision.
34:04
Speaker 11: Forget about this first step, which is is it illegal?
34:08
Speaker 11: Is was it obtained through impropriety? Let's assume it was.
34:14
Speaker 11: The real trigger is whether the judge exercised his discretion
34:18
Speaker 11: properly in a way to exclude it. Now, we don't
34:22
Speaker 11: know how he reached that decision, because the five pages
34:26
Speaker 11: that he released doesn't go into that. Now, there's probably
34:29
Speaker 11: very good reasons, but he's made it almost impossible to
34:33
Speaker 11: defend himself for anyone like me to defend him, because
34:37
Speaker 11: we don't know what his chain of logic is. But
34:40
Speaker 11: the bottom line is he referred to the provision in
34:46
Speaker 11: the Evidence Act which governs this. He didn't explain why
34:51
Speaker 11: he exercised his discretion in this manner. But if you
34:54
Speaker 11: turn to that provision in the Evidence Act, one of
34:57
Speaker 11: the factors that may be considered is whether the evidence
35:01
Speaker 11: could be obtained by other means that are not affected
35:05
Speaker 11: by impropriety or illegality. Now, to me, that's a very
35:10
Speaker 11: clear sign about what the prosecution should now do. They
35:14
Speaker 11: should go and get in touch with mister Weifer and
35:18
Speaker 11: see if they can get some evidence from him, because
35:21
Speaker 11: the video is a discussion between mister Viper and.
35:25
Speaker 6: The two accused.
35:28
Speaker 11: So we've got one party who would be in a
35:30
Speaker 11: position to give evidence about what took place.
35:33
Speaker 1: So this is not over.
35:34
Speaker 2: So Max Bifer the Israeli influencer could still take the
35:38
Speaker 2: stand and the Bankstown knows As lawyers want him to
35:41
Speaker 2: do that. In Australia, they want him to fly at
35:44
Speaker 2: and do that. Here's a witness for the prosecution. But
35:47
Speaker 2: how hard would it be for the prosecution to secure
35:50
Speaker 2: a conviction for these kinds of charges based on just
35:53
Speaker 2: witness evidence alone. I mean, he will have a tough
35:56
Speaker 2: time being cross examined. He's already been portrayed by the
36:00
Speaker 2: Bankstown Nurses lawyers as someone who's a provocateur, who's a
36:06
Speaker 2: vigilante trying to catch people out and get them sacked.
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Speaker 11: All of that's probably true. He will probably get a
36:15
Speaker 11: hard time in the witness box if he does come out,
36:17
Speaker 11: or if he gives evidence by video. There's no doubt
36:21
Speaker 11: about it. Excluding the video as a setback for the prosecution.
36:26
Speaker 11: But it's not game over. It's not game over the
36:31
Speaker 11: fact the accusation is not against mister Waifo. It's against
36:35
Speaker 11: the two accused here.
36:38
Speaker 1: What did they do?
36:39
Speaker 11: Did they do what they are.
36:40
Speaker 6: Accused of doing?
36:41
Speaker 11: And if the prosecution can stand that up, I think
36:44
Speaker 11: there's still a there's life in this case yet.
36:49
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, we'll see about that.
36:50
Speaker 2: Taking a step back, this conversation happened on an online
36:54
Speaker 2: platform called chat roulette, cause some people know it is
36:57
Speaker 2: chat roulette. You get online, you talked to strangers on
37:00
Speaker 2: the internet. What happened when these nurses were in a
37:04
Speaker 2: public hospital staff room and dialed in at six o'clock
37:08
Speaker 2: in the morning while they were on their shift. They
37:11
Speaker 2: chose to speak to someone in Israel. That's what the
37:14
Speaker 2: court heard, and then this conversation took place. Why would
37:19
Speaker 2: a conversation like that be illegally recorded? If in Israel,
37:24
Speaker 2: where it also happened, where the other party was, it
37:27
Speaker 2: isn't illegals record a conversation.
37:30
Speaker 11: I'd like to be able to tell you, but the
37:31
Speaker 11: judge didn't explain that. That's the first step in this case.
37:36
Speaker 11: If it was illegal, how on earth does an Australian
37:40
Speaker 11: law determined conduct that took place in another country. It's
37:45
Speaker 11: extra territorial.
37:46
Speaker 2: Reach, Chris Marrett. It is a fascinating case. We will
37:50
Speaker 2: see what happens to the trial in the trial next month.
37:53
Speaker 2: Thank you for your analysis. Coming up, Trump's Around deal
37:57
Speaker 2: a breakthrough for peace in the region or just a
38:00
Speaker 2: massive payday for Tehran. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell
38:05
Speaker 2: joins me later, and the UK is about to get
38:08
Speaker 2: its seventh prime minister in just over a decade without
38:12
Speaker 2: voters getting a.
38:13
Speaker 4: Say on who it will be. Talk TV's Phil Dave
38:17
Speaker 4: joins me after the break.
38:23
Speaker 2: Keyo Starmer has quit after just two years in Downing Street,
38:27
Speaker 2: and Andy Burnham is already trying to calm jittery markets
38:30
Speaker 2: with promises on debt, borrowing and growth ahead of what
38:34
Speaker 2: will almost certainly be his coronation as the new Labor
38:37
Speaker 2: Prime minister. Meanwhile, Reform UK leader Nigel Farage wasn't mincing
38:42
Speaker 2: his words.
38:44
Speaker 15: So on a human level. Yeah, I'm sorry for the
38:46
Speaker 15: guy that he failed, but he did fail. I really
38:49
Speaker 15: do think, I really do think that Mike call for
38:53
Speaker 15: that to be a general election as soon as it's possible.
38:56
Speaker 15: I think you'll find a lot of support for that.
38:59
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Talk TV host Phil Dave. Thank
39:02
Speaker 2: you Phil for coming on.
39:04
Speaker 3: Is Nigel Farage right?
39:06
Speaker 2: Should this go to a general election instead of Labor
39:09
Speaker 2: just being able to hand pick its next prime minister
39:13
Speaker 2: without it going to the public first?
39:16
Speaker 16: Good even Caroline Well, I guess it depends what your
39:18
Speaker 16: idea of right or wrong is really because technically, according
39:22
Speaker 16: to the rule book, there is nothing that says that
39:25
Speaker 16: Labor has to call a general election. And when Andy Burnham,
39:29
Speaker 16: and assuming Andy Burnon does become the next prime minister.
39:33
Speaker 16: Having said that, there are plenty of people, including Andy
39:37
Speaker 16: Burnham himself, who have in the past called for there
39:41
Speaker 16: to be a general election when we saw so many
39:44
Speaker 16: change of Tory prime minister when they were in ruling
39:49
Speaker 16: for the last fourteen years. So I guess that sort
39:53
Speaker 16: of from a point of view of him not wanting
39:55
Speaker 16: to be a hypocrite, he should call a general election,
39:57
Speaker 16: But somehow I doubt he will do in the law
40:00
Speaker 16: that says he must.
40:01
Speaker 4: Though yeah, I dare say, you're right.
40:03
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll do it when it affects him personally,
40:06
Speaker 2: but it does strike one as something of a double
40:10
Speaker 2: standard if he has called for that in the past.
40:12
Speaker 2: Andy Burnham is backed by the unions and the hard
40:15
Speaker 2: life of the Labor Party. What do you think his
40:18
Speaker 2: promotion would spell for the country, presuming, of course, he
40:21
Speaker 2: is the next prime minister.
40:24
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, at the moment there's a short list
40:26
Speaker 16: of one, so I think we can assume Andy Burnham
40:28
Speaker 16: will be the next Prime Minister of the UK unless
40:30
Speaker 16: something pretty dramatic happens. In terms of what I think
40:33
Speaker 16: it will spell for the country, well, this is a
40:35
Speaker 16: guy who's made it absolutely no hidden secret that he
40:38
Speaker 16: loves socialism. So if people want a die hard socialist
40:43
Speaker 16: government that we've seen even more in under Kirstarmer, where
40:48
Speaker 16: I have to tell you, I actually think kirs Starmer
40:49
Speaker 16: was slightly moderate when it came to socialism, and I
40:52
Speaker 16: didn't actually think he was as extreme as he could
40:54
Speaker 16: have been, primarily because he was so good at procrastinating
40:57
Speaker 16: over everything. I think it just means more of what
41:01
Speaker 16: a lot of people don't want to see. There are
41:03
Speaker 16: going to be more relaxed laws on immigration, as we
41:05
Speaker 16: know that immigration is a major problem plaguing the UK
41:09
Speaker 16: at the moment, whether it is legal or illegal migration.
41:13
Speaker 16: I think you're going to find that he's going to
41:14
Speaker 16: go after the wealthier in the country, the wealthy people,
41:18
Speaker 16: of course, who are the columns of our mere economy.
41:21
Speaker 16: And yet he and others seem to think it's a
41:23
Speaker 16: good idea to start draining those resources all to fund
41:27
Speaker 16: those who are either workshy or a drain on society,
41:30
Speaker 16: and I think it is going to be perilous. It's
41:32
Speaker 16: going to be a very rough couple of years.
41:34
Speaker 2: Oh god, it sounds like it's going to get a
41:36
Speaker 2: lot worse, if anything.
41:38
Speaker 3: A bona.
41:39
Speaker 4: He's only just been sworn in as the new.
41:42
Speaker 2: MP for Makerfield and already Labor MPs are treating him
41:46
Speaker 2: like the answer to all their problems. He's been called
41:49
Speaker 2: the King of the North and now he's of course
41:52
Speaker 2: back in Westminster. How embarrassing is it for Starma that
41:57
Speaker 2: these Labor MP's are already swooning over him before Starma is
42:01
Speaker 2: even out the door.
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Speaker 16: Look to be honest, I think Starmer's embarrassment came a
42:08
Speaker 16: long time before Andy Burnham even thought of trying to
42:10
Speaker 16: rescue the party. But I would say this, I'd say
42:14
Speaker 16: that Starma is so oblivious to what everyone seems to
42:19
Speaker 16: think of him and his policies and his time as
42:24
Speaker 16: Prime Minister, that I don't even think that he would
42:26
Speaker 16: notice he's being embarrassed. Because if you have a listened
42:30
Speaker 16: to his resignation speech that he gave yesterday, all he
42:34
Speaker 16: was doing was singing his praises about how amazing the
42:37
Speaker 16: country is since he came to power, and how he
42:40
Speaker 16: leaves it a much better place than he found it
42:43
Speaker 16: and when he inherited it. The guy is deluded. It's
42:46
Speaker 16: absolutely unbelievable. How he just cannot see how the country
42:52
Speaker 16: despise what he's done to it.
42:54
Speaker 2: Well, we've seen Nigel Barag's reaction. But how do the
42:58
Speaker 2: Tories feel about this potential new prime minister, this likely
43:03
Speaker 2: new prime minister. Does Andy Burnham scare them more than Starmer?
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Speaker 4: Ever? Did? I?
43:08
Speaker 1: Actually?
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Speaker 16: I find it up. I think that both the Tories
43:10
Speaker 16: and the Reform Party will probably be a bit worried
43:13
Speaker 16: by the prospect of Andy Burnham because one thing he is,
43:16
Speaker 16: and you've got to give credit where it's due, is
43:18
Speaker 16: that he is a good orator.
43:20
Speaker 4: You know, he knows.
43:21
Speaker 16: He's almost got something Tony Blair esque about him, where
43:24
Speaker 16: he knows how to win over a crowd and get
43:27
Speaker 16: their attention. Now, don't get me wrong, some of the
43:30
Speaker 16: nonsense he spouts is just ridiculous, but at the same time,
43:34
Speaker 16: he knows how to put his points across, and that's
43:37
Speaker 16: not like Kiirs Starmer. One of the things that a
43:39
Speaker 16: lot of people sort of switched off by with kis
43:41
Speaker 16: starmer Is. They just felt that he wasn't talking to them,
43:44
Speaker 16: he was more talking at them, didn't really sort of
43:47
Speaker 16: know what he was saying, because he'd say one thing
43:49
Speaker 16: one moment and then one thing another and then of
43:51
Speaker 16: course we all knew he would you turn on it,
43:53
Speaker 16: so he just dithered and witted and it was pointless.
43:56
Speaker 16: But Andy Burnham, you don't get that with him. So
43:59
Speaker 16: I think from that point of view, other political leaders
44:02
Speaker 16: are going to be worried by him because it is
44:05
Speaker 16: perfectly possible and reasonable to say that there will be
44:09
Speaker 16: a contingency on the left of politics in the UK
44:12
Speaker 16: who will get behind him. So yeah, I think that
44:14
Speaker 16: both Chemi Bade and Not from Conservatives and Nida Farage
44:17
Speaker 16: from the Reform Party are going to be concerned by
44:22
Speaker 16: Burnham's coronation as it's been called.
44:25
Speaker 4: Well, what happens next?
44:26
Speaker 2: Just talk us through the steps, because there's still another
44:30
Speaker 2: some days to go before that can happen. How does
44:33
Speaker 2: a new leader become coronated so to speak, How does
44:37
Speaker 2: that crowning happen?
44:40
Speaker 16: Yeah, so it depends the party. The Tories and Labor
44:44
Speaker 16: Party have slightly different rules as to how it comes about.
44:46
Speaker 16: But certainly from a Labor perspective, what will happen is
44:50
Speaker 16: that anyone who is a Labor MP. That's quite critical. Obviously,
44:54
Speaker 16: the reason why Andy Burnham was elected in the Makefield
44:59
Speaker 16: biol is because that Josh Simon's who was the Makefield MP,
45:04
Speaker 16: stood down to make way for Burnham. You have to
45:06
Speaker 16: be an MP to stand for the leadership and as
45:09
Speaker 16: a result of it, it was Burnham obviously who put
45:13
Speaker 16: his hat in the ring quite quickly, but others can
45:15
Speaker 16: do exactly the same right up until the beginning of July.
45:18
Speaker 16: I think it's maybe the sixth of July. I can't
45:21
Speaker 16: remember the date off the top of my head, but
45:22
Speaker 16: around the beginning of July they are able to put
45:25
Speaker 16: their hat in the proverbio ring and say I want
45:27
Speaker 16: to become the leader. If there is more than one,
45:29
Speaker 16: then there will be a Labor leadership contest that goes
45:33
Speaker 16: to the Labor Party to decide who does become the
45:38
Speaker 16: next leader. That process will take a couple of months
45:41
Speaker 16: in itself, and we could see as soon as probably
45:43
Speaker 16: September October, Andy Burnham or whoever Labor do decide to
45:48
Speaker 16: be their next leader sworn in as the prime Minister
45:51
Speaker 16: of the UK given the obviously labor of the governing
45:53
Speaker 16: party at the moment.
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Speaker 4: Well, I guess, as you say, it's just a room
45:58
Speaker 4: of one.
45:59
Speaker 2: It's just one person and putting their hands up at
46:01
Speaker 2: this point, so it seems like a pretty sure thing.
46:03
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on it. Phil Dave, thank you
46:05
Speaker 2: so much for your time. Coming up, JD Van says
46:09
Speaker 2: there's a major nuclear breakthrough with Iran, but Tehran is
46:12
Speaker 2: already denying it. The latest on the peace talks up
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Speaker 2: next with Israeli Deputy Foreign.
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Speaker 3: Minister Sharon Haskell.
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Speaker 4: After the break.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the latest on the Iran peace talks. Now,
46:27
Speaker 2: the Trump administration has temporarily lifted sanctions so Iran can
46:32
Speaker 2: resume oil sales. At the same time, JD Van says,
46:35
Speaker 2: Tehran has agreed to let in nuclear inspectors, something Iran
46:39
Speaker 2: is already denying. So is this a breakthrough or is
46:43
Speaker 2: the regime just getting a major financial lifeline while playing
46:46
Speaker 2: its usual games with the world. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell joins me. Now, Sharon, thank you for your
46:53
Speaker 2: time tonight.
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Speaker 4: What is the view over.
46:55
Speaker 3: There in Israel on these latest developments?
46:58
Speaker 2: Do you believe Iran really will let in nuclear inspectors.
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Speaker 17: Well, I don't think they're letting inspectors. And to be
47:07
Speaker 17: very frank and honest, I don't think they're going to
47:10
Speaker 17: give up the nuclear military program. We've seen how Iran
47:14
Speaker 17: have deceived the world time and time again, no matter
47:18
Speaker 17: what agreement they've signed on, and so I don't really
47:21
Speaker 17: think that's going to be any different. Are we concern?
47:24
Speaker 17: Of course, but it shouldn't be just Israel's concern. This
47:27
Speaker 17: should be the free world concern about the capability of
47:31
Speaker 17: a fanatical regime like the Iranian regime?
47:35
Speaker 2: And what do you lifting these sanctions so Iran can
47:39
Speaker 2: resume oil sales?
47:41
Speaker 4: Does that sound like a good move to you?
47:43
Speaker 2: Because I know a lot of the criticism, even from
47:45
Speaker 2: within the US, is that this is just giving This
47:48
Speaker 2: could open billions of dollars of funding to Iran and
47:54
Speaker 2: they can just build themselves back up.
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Speaker 17: Well, I think you know, this is not a positive outcome,
48:01
Speaker 17: and we are concerned about it. Iran and Field now
48:05
Speaker 17: was in spite of like a pressure pot, okay, between
48:09
Speaker 17: the economical difficulties and the besiege that America put on.
48:14
Speaker 17: You know, they started hidering personnel, god hearts and military
48:20
Speaker 17: forces from Afghanistan from Pakistan because they couldn't pay Uranians.
48:24
Speaker 17: The Iranians won't want to participate. In another point is
48:28
Speaker 17: obviously they're militaries that are all around the world. They
48:32
Speaker 17: can orfer this machine, so our concern, of course, but
48:36
Speaker 17: still we have the Iranian coming to terms.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 2: I don't either. I've been very critical of this deal.
48:43
Speaker 2: I'm sorry we're gonna have to leave it there. We've
48:45
Speaker 2: run out of time. I do appreciate your time. Sharon
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Speaker 2: Haskell there from Israel, but up now, pull Myra Live