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There is No Christian Genocide in Nigeria | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is gilm Warfare, The Battle
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  Speaker 1: of Ideas. I think when you and I last spoke,
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  Speaker 1: I was at TNT Radio. Now I'm a the UK column.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 3: I think the last time we spoke, I was on
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  Speaker 3: with the Brundian colleague of mine, Chris christin Da Ragie. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and we were talking about the African High Speed Continental Railway.
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  Speaker 1: So which nobody knows about.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about that instead, it's much nicer than talking about
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  Speaker 3: insurgencies and terrorism. So if you want to switch to
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  Speaker 3: sane ground, we can talk about the continental high speed
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  Speaker 3: transformative qualitative changes that you cannot number that it will
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  Speaker 3: bring to the continent.
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  Speaker 2: But A nobody is.
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  Speaker 3: Interested because it's a railway and they think it's boring.
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  Speaker 3: Two nobody cares, and three worst of all, nobody except
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  Speaker 3: Tanzania and Ethiopia are doing anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: So hey, let's talk about it. Weird though, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: is it weird?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It is very odd. But you know what as
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  Speaker 1: an I mean, you're also South African, although you don't
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  Speaker 1: live in South Africa anymore, but I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: still do, and people don't care about Africa I've noticed Africans.
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  Speaker 3: Don't care about Africa. Africans don't care about Africa. That's
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  Speaker 3: one of the big problems, you know. It's we can't
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  Speaker 3: just blame it on people not building the damn railway
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  Speaker 3: because Tanzania have all but finished their section.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's done.
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  Speaker 3: Each country has its own part to play, and Tanzania
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  Speaker 3: have just blown away all preconceptions about possibilities and have
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  Speaker 3: almost completed their entire section. And they have done this
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  Speaker 3: so superbly. And of course this is heading towards Brindi,
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  Speaker 3: Rwanda and the DC, so it's directly going to unlock
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  Speaker 3: those landlocked countries. And Brindia super keen to get their
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  Speaker 3: section going. But you have so much opposition to it,
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  Speaker 3: and mostly you have this like head in the sand attitude,
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  Speaker 3: Well it's just a railway, and you know, we can't
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  Speaker 3: afford it, like hell, you know, like how so how
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  Speaker 3: much all these wars and insurgencies and all the other
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  Speaker 3: trauma and trouble costing, and yet you say you can't
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  Speaker 3: afford to build a missy little section of super modernized
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  Speaker 3: high speed railway which will completely change the entire continent.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean South Africa's South Africa's got high speed trains,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, but it's also just a complete corrupt meat.
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  Speaker 3: And they are failing to do the obvious. The key
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  Speaker 3: thing with the railway line is that it connects. So
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  Speaker 3: it's it's the connection from country to country, from capital
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  Speaker 3: to capital, and that's the important issue. That's what.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So I mean, and this is this
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  Speaker 1: is coming in with help from the Chinese, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: nobody actually knows, but there's a high speed rail network
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  Speaker 1: that's being supposedly, supposedly built around the entire continent, but
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  Speaker 1: the countries themselves can't get themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Together, can't get their asses in gear.
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  Speaker 3: Basically just call a spade a spade, Yeah, totally. And
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  Speaker 3: of course, you see, you have so many countries who
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  Speaker 3: are not able to achieve it because of various issues
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  Speaker 3: like DRC and Burundi where they're waiting waging a war,
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  Speaker 3: full scale war. So this is one thing that's holding
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  Speaker 3: many countries back. Another thing that's holding other countries back
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  Speaker 3: is government. You have so many imperialist governments on the
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  Speaker 3: continent and you know, like whire I say that, well,
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  Speaker 3: they're using imperial policy, you know, British empire, imperial policy
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  Speaker 3: to run their countries, which is why we see this
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  Speaker 3: tiny percentage of super rich elite little trickle down effect
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  Speaker 3: and everybody else is living having a very very low
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  Speaker 3: standard of living. So that's another issue.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no.
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  Speaker 3: Thing from the UN, you know, there's no like, hey man,
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  Speaker 3: let's build this amazing project which can be done in
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  Speaker 3: twelve to thirteen years. That's already been proposal was put
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  Speaker 3: forward by Roland Data Cuba, the Nigerian Bethlehem Infrastructure Incorporated.
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  Speaker 3: He's an incredible man. He devised this program to fast
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  Speaker 3: track the entire project, or at least the six flagship lines.
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  Speaker 3: You've got lines going north, south, east, west and then
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  Speaker 3: one all the way around the continent. And he said
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  Speaker 3: it can be done. But yeah, like nothing gets taken up,
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  Speaker 3: Nothing gets taken up because you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, oh I wonder, sorry for jumping, but I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if that's also part of the design, you know, from
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  Speaker 1: external forces to keep not so to keep Africa fairly
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  Speaker 1: backwards and destabilized.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely definitely Malthusian. I mean it's a Malthusian program, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's Henry Kissinger's an SSM National State Security Memorandum two
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  Speaker 3: hundred when Kissinger came out and you know, said that
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  Speaker 3: we have to keep these regions these stabilized so that
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  Speaker 3: we can have access to our minerals because it's more secure. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's a long ongoing and on running program.
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  Speaker 3: But you have your institutions like the African Union, who
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  Speaker 3: should be standing up for such you know, for mega infrastructure,
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  Speaker 3: and they don't. The African Union is a sadly captured body,
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  Speaker 3: very sadly captured.
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  Speaker 1: Now there is a segue. I do want to actually
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  Speaker 1: chat about all your research into Nigeria because that is
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  Speaker 1: an absolutely fascinating part of geopolitics that is I think
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  Speaker 1: in many ways suppressed. Can we start off with the
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  Speaker 1: question Bokohorum What is Bokohorum.
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  Speaker 3: Bokoharam are a terrorist group. They first became known about
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  Speaker 3: in around about two thousand and two. Their leader was
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  Speaker 3: captured in two thousand and nine by the Nigerian military.
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  Speaker 2: And they are very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: They are purportedly fighting for Jihadhism for Islamic Caliphate. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 3: we have the edition of a new acronym, a new name.
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  Speaker 3: We have ISWAB Islamic States of West African province. So
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  Speaker 3: you'll see you'll see swap pretty much all the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a sort of vegetable soup of acronyms that
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  Speaker 3: you have in a democratic Republic of Congo where you
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  Speaker 3: have a plesora of different militia groups. They're all called
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  Speaker 3: something else and they all have these little acronyms. And
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  Speaker 3: I think the best way to view that is that
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  Speaker 3: Monty Python sketch when they're talking about the PLO. Do
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  Speaker 3: you remember that sketch. It's very very funny, and that
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  Speaker 3: kind of like nails the whole thing on the head.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, you you just have to look at
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  Speaker 3: it for what it is and not be bamboozled, because
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  Speaker 3: part of that is two bamboozle people. There's oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: there's this militant group and then there's that milletant group
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  Speaker 3: and they're all fighting each other and what. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you take the veil off and look beyond it,
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  Speaker 3: you've basically just got a vegetable soup of acronyms. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: bocohoram they're in Nigeria.
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  Speaker 2: Just to.
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  Speaker 3: Say about Nigeria, it is in a very very critical
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  Speaker 3: state at the moment. This is not being reported, not widely.
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  Speaker 3: I looked on a lot of the security blogs, defense
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  Speaker 3: and security, and I was absolutely amazed to see how
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  Speaker 3: little there is out there, so very little being said
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  Speaker 3: about it. And you have chronic, chronic increasing instability under
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  Speaker 3: this government, this present government of Tinobu, who is, as
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  Speaker 3: somebody I met so beautifully put it, part of the
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  Speaker 3: criminal mafia, and.
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  Speaker 2: He's basically.
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  Speaker 3: Working with the rest of the global western criminal mafia
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  Speaker 3: to destabilize and loot Nigeria's resources. That's bokoharam very little
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  Speaker 3: to do with religion.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to maybe correct my pronunciation. I said bocohorum,
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  Speaker 1: but I prefer voka harm because horem is more of
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  Speaker 1: like a brothel. But although.
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  Speaker 3: Can I bore you with reading a quote? Okay, So
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  Speaker 3: this hopefully puts it into perspective. I'm going to warn
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  Speaker 3: you first it is boring. It's written in academic ease,
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  Speaker 3: so it's designed to dull the mind. But I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to read it to you anyway. It won't take long, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So a deepening this is about Nigeria. Current article. A
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  Speaker 3: deepening is no sectarian divide threatens to destroy the Nigerian
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  Speaker 3: legacy of common citizenship under one shed civic idea entity.
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  Speaker 3: Both the Muslim response to the terrostatrocities perpetrated by Hamas
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  Speaker 3: on October seven, twenty twenty three and recent riots fueled
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  Speaker 3: by the radical Christian element have revealed a scale and
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  Speaker 3: intensity of inter ethnic conflict in Nigeria about which the
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  Speaker 3: political class has been largely silent, except for Northern Nigeria.
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  Speaker 3: Where As no religious sectarianism has long been an acknowledged reality,
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  Speaker 3: the wider establishment and the main political parties have refused
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  Speaker 3: to recognize the simmering tensions between different ethnic groups, predominantly
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  Speaker 3: sections of the Christian and certain Muslim groups, but also
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  Speaker 3: some Fulani and Edo in central and northern towns of
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  Speaker 3: the country, besides the myriad of gangs across many areas.
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  Speaker 3: So okay, here's the laugh, right, I've changed a few
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  Speaker 3: key words. I've changed the words Nigeria, I inserted Fulani
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  Speaker 3: and Edo and many areas. That's all I changed on
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  Speaker 3: that quote because that was actually written. It's from the
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  Speaker 3: Hoover Institute, and it's from an article called riots and
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  Speaker 3: Radicalization as no religious violence and Islamism in Britain. So
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  Speaker 3: you see, it's a copy and paste. That's why I
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  Speaker 3: inserted that in a recent article, so that with very
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  Speaker 3: very basic changes of names, instead of British, I put Nigerian.
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  Speaker 2: And that's all I did.
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  Speaker 3: You have what can be described as a program which
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  Speaker 3: applies both to Britain and to Nigeria. So all that
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  Speaker 3: is is media modification, perceptionfication. So it's telling people that
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  Speaker 3: what you have in Britain or what you have in
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  Speaker 3: Nigeria is as no or religious conflict, that all of
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  Speaker 3: this is down to Muslims fighting Christians or into ethnic.
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  Speaker 2: Conflict.
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  Speaker 3: Now I live in the UK, and I know very
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  Speaker 3: well that the British aren't racist, and I know very
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  Speaker 3: well what they're trying to do, because it's obvious they're
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  Speaker 3: trying to push the narrative that this is a case
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  Speaker 3: of fighting for Christian Britain against Islam. There's more to
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  Speaker 3: the story than that, but basically that's what the media
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  Speaker 3: trying to push. And they're doing the exact same thing
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  Speaker 3: in Nigeria. So they're saying that all that conflict, all
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  Speaker 3: those atrocities, and I tell in my goodness, they're horrendous,
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  Speaker 3: all the people dying, everything that's happening in Nigeria is
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  Speaker 3: down to religion. So what happens then people lose their
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  Speaker 3: minds and you have the oh my gosh, it's religion,
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  Speaker 3: it's jihad, it's crusade, it's Muslims killing Christians. And then
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  Speaker 3: President Trump comes along and talks about Christian genocide and
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  Speaker 3: all of that is simply a ruse. There's only one
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  Speaker 3: thing causing what's happening in Nigeria, and that is what
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  Speaker 3: is in the soil under people's feet. It's the mineral resources.
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  Speaker 1: So what you arguing is that the Christians being killed
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  Speaker 1: in Nigeria are not being killed because they're Christian. This
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  Speaker 1: is a trope that's being used by Western interests. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's actually going on is the Christians being killed happened
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  Speaker 1: to be on top of physically, on top of mineral
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  Speaker 1: resources that are the Muslims. Yes, that is now actually wanted.
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  Speaker 2: You have you always have this black and white.
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  Speaker 3: You have the polarized view, you know, the binary, So
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  Speaker 3: you have Christians good, Muslims bad, Muslims good Christians bad.
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  Speaker 3: We've had the same program run in so many countries
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  Speaker 3: across the continent. The most dark and the most obvious,
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  Speaker 3: of course, was soundtra freak Central African Republic which is
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  Speaker 3: in Central Africa, and you had I think it was
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  Speaker 3: about twelve years ago. Now you had this Alecca rebels
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  Speaker 3: who came in Muslims and slaughtered the Christians. And then
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  Speaker 3: you had this inter religious conflict where you had Christians
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  Speaker 3: and Muslims in each other. That one you had. You
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  Speaker 3: have numerous cases of where this is happening, where it
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  Speaker 3: is blamed on religion or ethnicity, when in fact, that
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  Speaker 3: whole idea and that whole picture is simply to obsvocate
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  Speaker 3: what is really happening, which is a mineral resource scrap
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  Speaker 3: d r C a perfect example.
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  Speaker 1: This is very important what you what you're saying actually,
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  Speaker 1: because there's a there's a nuance here. Christians then are
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  Speaker 1: being killed in a brutal way, as are Muslims in Nigeria.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not religious conflict. It's not being driven by Islam.
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  Speaker 1: That is that's the trope. It's actually been driven by
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  Speaker 1: Western interests.
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  Speaker 3: And Nigerian interests. And never forget to put that in there,
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  Speaker 3: because you have you have an absolute free for all
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  Speaker 3: at the moment. Meant it's like the wild West. It's
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  Speaker 3: like open season, come on in and grab your minerals.
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  Speaker 3: So to put that into the larger picture, how do
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  Speaker 3: how do how do we start? Okay, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: take you back to South Africa and have you heard
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  Speaker 3: of an organization called Executive Outcomes. The reason I'm bringing
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  Speaker 3: up that subject and that it's a private military company PMC,
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  Speaker 3: is that they are incredibly important. Their story is incredibly
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  Speaker 3: important to assemble and complete that puzzle of Africa. They
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  Speaker 3: are the very last piece of the puzzle that once
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  Speaker 3: you insert it, the whole thing makes sense everything that's
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  Speaker 3: been going on on the continent since the nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties,
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  Speaker 3: nineties escalation. You then understand what is going on and
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  Speaker 3: what happened with just to put people in the picture.
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  Speaker 3: Executive Outcomes was founded by Zambian national called Eban Barlow,
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  Speaker 3: and this was in the late nineteen nineties. And what
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  Speaker 3: happened was democratic rule in the end of the party
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  Speaker 3: in South Africa, so many of the soldiers were retrenched.
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  Speaker 3: So they found themselves with absolutely no income, no employment,
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  Speaker 3: and very little hope of finding any So what they
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  Speaker 3: did was or what even Barlow did, was he formed
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  Speaker 3: this company. It was actually already operating and training in
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  Speaker 3: special forces and they of course being South African Defense
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  Speaker 3: Force soldiers. Also include in the Executive Outcomes were a
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  Speaker 3: former on CONTO wetses were soldiers because they too the
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  Speaker 3: armed wing of their and see they too lost their jobs,
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  Speaker 3: didn't they were at the end of a party. There
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  Speaker 3: was no more role to play from CONTUWT. There were
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  Speaker 3: also a lot of Angolens when Executive Outcomes was formed.
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  Speaker 3: So the fact that there was this huge onslaught on
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  Speaker 3: the organization to spread disinformation, are tried to share lies
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  Speaker 3: about who they were and what they were doing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Mercenary Company in Africa going around destabilizing, causing chaos, killing, murdering,
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  Speaker 3: and of course these were white South African racists. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't even all white, you know, there was an array
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  Speaker 3: of colors. So that was one of the great myths
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  Speaker 3: told about them. Anyway, So Executive Outcomes their role under
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  Speaker 3: continent is super important and very very few. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: only a handful of media outlets, alternative media artlets, institutes
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  Speaker 3: anyone reported the truth and what they were actually doing.
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  Speaker 3: There are back up and running, something which I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: aware of, but they are actually back up and running.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm now.
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  Speaker 3: Going back to the Civil War and Seria, Leone, Angola, Unita,
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  Speaker 3: several other Nigeria Bokoharam. So all these insurgencies that have
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  Speaker 3: been that Africa has been beleagued by, Executive Outcomes have
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  Speaker 3: a very very interesting role and they make sense of
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  Speaker 3: it all. So just stop me at any point, Jerman
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  Speaker 3: if I am getting too long winded and losing track
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  Speaker 3: of my point. So I'll explain to you that everything
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  Speaker 3: they did, and I didn't know this CECI. I was
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  Speaker 3: always under the assumption that Eban Baralow and Executive Outcomes
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  Speaker 3: were the bad guys. These guys were the racist white
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  Speaker 3: South African mercenaries who were working for the Beers, the
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  Speaker 3: Diamond Corporation in South Africa, Anglo American, which is the
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  Speaker 3: mining It's the link Anglo American and the Beers are
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  Speaker 3: the imperial link to City of London. Am I explaining myself?
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  Speaker 3: Okay there, I'm talking about mining interests MNCs. Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: they are the direct link. And I always assumed that
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  Speaker 3: Executive Outcomes were the bad guys in it all, and
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  Speaker 3: that they were working for the Beers and Anglo American.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I assumed that up until about eighteen months
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  Speaker 3: two years ago, was that I had read many reports,
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  Speaker 3: all of them bad, actually scathing. One of them in
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  Speaker 3: particular was an article in what I thought to be
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  Speaker 3: highly reputable intelligence journal where they were called. The article
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  Speaker 3: is called London unleashes its dogs of war and then
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  Speaker 3: this big diagram explaining how EEO and even Barlow are
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  Speaker 3: connected to the highest echelons of London establishment, Privy Council
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  Speaker 3: and all this. So that is what I had seen,
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  Speaker 3: and this is why I was so misled about their
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  Speaker 3: about the truth about the organization. Anyway, So I happened
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  Speaker 3: to be looking for a particular Alda Sera documentary because
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  Speaker 3: they make great documentaries Selgada, and I was looking for
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  Speaker 3: one in particular, and on the feed up came this
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  Speaker 3: interview with Eben Barlow, the founder of Execut Outcomes, and
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  Speaker 3: the interview was with a very high level Egyptian journalist
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  Speaker 3: working for Al Jazeera called Yea Gunnam, and I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's see what this guy is going to say. What
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  Speaker 3: is he going to you know, is he going to
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  Speaker 3: talk trot? What is he going to say about about
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  Speaker 3: his role in all of this and about being an
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  Speaker 3: African Mercenary Company. And so I started listening and within
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  Speaker 3: about two minutes my brain had been shattered and I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: everything I have ever heard about them is completely and
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  Speaker 3: utterly wrong. And the reason I had that epiphany was
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  Speaker 3: such a simple thing which was beautiful in its simplicity.
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  Speaker 3: Because the interviewer said, Jeep and Barlow. He said about
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  Speaker 3: this contract they had the first contract they had in Angola.
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  Speaker 3: And the interviewer said to him, so this contract is
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  Speaker 3: was working for the South African government, and Balo says, no,
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  Speaker 3: it was a contract with the Angolan government. So I
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  Speaker 3: understood then that their whole role was completely the opposite
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  Speaker 3: to everything I had assumed or been misled by. So
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  Speaker 3: what they what they did in Angola is they worked
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  Speaker 3: for Angolan government the MPLA to fight and get rid
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  Speaker 3: of UNITA. UNITA were backed by South Africa. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you remember the days when South African soldiers so fighting
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  Speaker 3: alongside UNITA and Savimbi, the leader of UNITA, was heralded
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  Speaker 3: as this liberation hero.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So my point being that.
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  Speaker 3: The narrative about the African continent to mislead us into
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  Speaker 3: thinking that establishment government bad liberation movement, freedom fighters good,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: whereas in fact you have an ongoing operation and all
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: of the wars are all the same war. By the way,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: all of those wars are continent across the continent. You
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: have insurgents coming in with the sole purpose in reality,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to destabilize a country, to undermine and weaken any sitting government,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to create a situation where you have extreme lawlessness, where
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you have a very weakened state because they are there
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: at war. You have the media, the MSM come in
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: and their role is to legitimize those liberation movements and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: to tell the world that they are fighting for their
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: ethnic or religious rights, whereas in fact, which they none
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: of them are. These insurgencies are synthetic. There may be
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: an origin, and in a lot of them there is
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: an origin which is genuine and has just reason and
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: good reason. But what happens over time, very often is
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that they're hijacked. I have heard this about Bokoharam so yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: so this.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Members of the two Battalion formed part of Executive Outcomes,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and they were widely considered the best, the best bush
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: fighters in the world.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: They were best of the best, and a lot of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the Angolans. Yeah, and the Angolans. A lot of Angolans
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: went to join EO, former former fighter, So yeah, absolutely.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: So you see when you talk about them, you're not
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: talking about any motionary company, You're not talking about any
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: old PMC.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: You're not talking.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: About Eric Prince and whatever the heck he's doing with
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Blackwater in DRC right now, and all the other plethora
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: of PMCs. What was different about this EO, we'll call
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: them the simplicity, was that they were formed out of
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: soldiers whose expertise and specialty is fighting bush wars. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: what are all of those wars in Africa? The bush wars,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: aren't they they're insurgencies. So you have foreign PMCs come
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: in like Wagner and Mozambique. They come in to resolve
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: those problems near Kabodagado and they failed terribly, a lot
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: of lives lost, even the Wagner guys. Because these are
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: not these are not African PMCs. They're not fighting these
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: wars as they need to be fought. And very often
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: African armies are trained by British, they're trained by American,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: they're trained by anyone but who they should be trained
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: by on African warfare. So you have armies who are
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: really incorrectly trained, often their weaponry. And I'm talking about
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: government forces here, not insurgency forces. I'm talking about government forces.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: They are often you find a situation where they.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Are weaponry is deliberately withheld from those those government militaries.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But we're getting off track here. So if we come, yes,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: bring Nigeria and bring it back to okay. So Bakaharam,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You another story. Okay. So we're going to that fifteen.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: By the way, for anyone who wants to read it,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: these are the books I have been reading. This is
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Executive Outcomes Against All Odds by Ibn Baalow. This will
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: blow your mind. And this is what has been happening
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: on the continent. And another one by him the second
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: The War for Africa by Eben Barlow. This is what
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you need to read if you want to understand what's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: been going on, because it is the piece of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: puzzle that has been missing. So bakoharam okay, and we're
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: going to talk about what happens to many of too many,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: far too many of Africa's elections and presidencies. So at
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the time you had good luck Jonathan President good luck, Jonathan. Now,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, there was the abduction of the Tubac
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: school girls. I don't know if you recall that there
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was a great huha. All the Hollywood socialites.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And anyone who wanted to have their name.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Plasted on a magazine was holding up a placard saying
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: bring back our girls, Save our girls.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And there was this massive.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Hashtag campaign about these young school girls, a lot of them.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I think it was about two hundred and fifty odd
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: who were abducted by Bokoham. So what happened at that
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: point was a private security company based in Nigeria were
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: contracted to secure the rescue of these school girls. They
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: then subcontracted to a company called Step International, and at
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: that time even Barlow was the chairman of STEP. So
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: they came into Nigeria with the purpose of securing the
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: release of these the school girls. At the same time,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: whilst they were training Nigerian military because they always work
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: with a sitting government's military. Whilst they were doing this,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Bakoharam were on the point, very very active and very
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: powerful in the northern reaches of Nigeria and they were
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: on the point of overrunning the Nigerian military in the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: base called Madriguri, which is up from Buja's kind of
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: central in Nigeria. So the government of good Luck Jonathan
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: then said to step international, leave the school girls from
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: a minute, can you please help our military and stop
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: them being overrun by Bokoharam. So step then under even
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: barlow trained Nigerian Mobile Strike Force called MSF seventy two,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: highly effective, extremely well trained group of individuals, group of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Nigerian military to go in and secure this region.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Now it was pretty much came down on them out
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: of the blue, out of nowhere, Okay.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: So they were then faced with a new mandate. They
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: secured and stabilized a region the size of Belgium in
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: four weeks with that strike force. So they effectively pushed
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Bokoharam back from a vast area in four weeks. So
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the point of that story being, it is entirely possible
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: to stop these insurgencies. It's entirely possible whichever country you're
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: talking about, and yet it doesn't happen or anyone who
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: tries to do that is stopped from doing that because
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: what the global elital whatever you want to call them,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: The new name is Epstein Class what they want is
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: a situation where you have a constant state of low
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: intensity warfare and that's the desired the desired model for
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the continent. So the point of that being Bakaharam were
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: pushed back. They were that area was secured and stabilized
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to the point that they could actually have hold the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: elections which would do that year. Good Luck Jonathan lost
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: his seat and in came Muhammadu Bahari. The first thing
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Mohammadu Bahari did just out of interest. Mohammed U Bahari
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: was Muslim and good Luck Jonathan president. Good Luck Jonathan
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: is a Christian. First thing Bohari did was he canceled
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: iban balow In steps contract. He told them to leave
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Nigeria and he disbanded the Mobile Strike Force formed from
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the Nigerian military that they had created. So what happened
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: after that was this huge resurgence in Bokohara to the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: point now where the situation is really rarely critical and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you have a president Tinobu. I'll put you in the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: picture about him. You know, he has visited France and Macron.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: He is very thick with Macron and he's visited France
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: more times than he's visited most places in Nigeria. He's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: been and had the Royal tour in Britain meeting with
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: King Charles, but he's uh, he's hasn't yet been to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the White House. So Jinubu is facilitating what is happening
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: in his country. That's not unique. I mean, this is
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: happening in so many places, Rwanda being the perfect example.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, jem if I could just swing
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: to the Rwanded deal because that's very.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Much in the news.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: You know, the media love to go on about this
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Rwander deal and how they must bring back the Rwonder deal,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: bring back the Rwonder deal, bring back the Rwanded deal.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know the Rwonded deal. If you look
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: at it logistically, that you send it for those who
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: may not know, to set up a migrant processing center
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: in Rwanda and then send all the migrants coming to Britain,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: which is at the moment a huge, huge problem to Rwander.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And you ask yourself, logistically, are you insane because you
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: have Rwanda, a very very small country in the middle
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: of Central Africa. Why are you wanting to do that?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Why are you wanting to send all those migrants halfway
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: across the world on aeroplanes at a huge expense to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: be processed in Rwanda. Why not just set up something
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: in France or Albania or Romania or anywhere nearer.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Why go to the middle of Africa.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: It's truly, truly bizarre, And of course the real reason
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: and the only reason that there was ever any talk
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: of this processing center, which so far has cost just
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that processing center, not all the foreign aid that's gone
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: to Rwanda, but that processing center has cost seven hundred
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: million pounds taxpayers money, and it's not even happened. And
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: that entire story is simply a way of creating a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: conduit to funnel cash down the throat of Porka Gami,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the President of Rwanda, to keep his military operation going
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: in eastern Congo, where Rwanda, the Rwandan Army posed as
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: a militant group Congolese Tutsis, the ban Malanghi called M
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: twenty three, who are supposedly there to protect the Congolese
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Tutsi community, when they're protecting the minds in Rabayah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Kagami's a Western puppet. He was put there. I mean,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the whole quote unquote Rwandan genocide was was was a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: whole insurgency it wasn't a wasn't an ethnic.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly problem exactly.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: So there we have the prime example where an insurgency
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: was celebrated as the liberators because that's what they said.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: They said that about the RPF and Kagami that he
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: saved the day he saved Rwandan's.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't. No, No, I mean he was put there.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I mean even the Ugandan side helped helped him get in.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Did you ever interview a colleague of mine, Keith Hauman?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So I think you did, didn't you?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, twice and sadly an excellent interview and sadly he
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: died I think at the end of twenty twenty four.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, very sadly, surely missed. Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: So there is your prime example, classic example of what
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: was created there. And they were the RPF for an
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: insurgency and to Rwanda to destabilize the government of Habirimana.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: How does this relate to Boko Haram? They are you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: saying that they on an insurgency that that the that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the Nigerian government is quite happy to have parts.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: It creates a gravy train.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So the the minerals that are are there, they're they're
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: numerous The two key ones are lithium and uranium and gold.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: So there is highly credible evidence that lithium and uranium
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: are literally flying out of northern Nigeria. They're building temporary runways,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: landing aircraft both military and commercial and private aircraft, loading
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: up and flying often out of out of Nigeria. So
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the minerals are literally being lifted and stolen. Who's doing this?
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: This is being run It's an operation being run by
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: the exact same multinational corporations that have always been doing it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: They've always been rogue. It's just that currently they seem
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: to be super rogue because you have much higher profit margin.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: You see doing it that way. If you think of
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the mining of uranium, the biggest uranium miners in Canada,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Sichuan or somewhere, and it's a very deep, deep mine
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: far underground.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: They have to use robotics.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Everything is done with machinery and robotics, and it's an
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: inordinately expensive operation to get that high grade uranium. It
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: is much much cheaper for those exact same companies to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: source it from some Fulani herdsman in Bueno State. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: that's what it is. You're just looking at higher profit margins.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: But it's the same chain, it's the same global network.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Wonderful Cameroonian author Charles Nana who wrote about Congo about DRC,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: a wonderful book. He's written many holocaust in Congo, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: he calls them the international mineral mafia. It's a perfect
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: word for them, and that is what they are.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: So we're not.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Talking just about the rogue Western nations. We are talking
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: about a global supply chain things like lithium.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: And so what you're saying also is that Boko Haram
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: are being supplied with Israeli and American tech as well
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as starling.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, extraordinary, the over four over four hundred styling devices
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: have been taken off Bokaharam by the Nigerian military. They
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: have been seen to be using very recent American weaponry.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: So it's interesting. I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you go to Trump and what Trump Trump's
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: foreign policy is actually doing in Africa. There's some tremendously
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: good things, some amazing things. So what is happening in Nigeria?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, is it the old USA channels that are operating?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Is it CIA? Have they have they totally got.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Control of things on the ground and the Trump administration
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't know this is happening because there's currently seven hundred
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: American troops. This is recent stationed in Nigeria. And then
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of course there was the Christmas Day Sakota Province bombing
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: with the missile from Trump. So you know, is the
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: White House aware? Are they aware the fact that their
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: weaponry is landing up in the hands of Bokoharam? I
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: don't know. Is it an operation is being hidden from
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: them or is it all just just the game.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I think many in my audience will agree with the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: game narrative.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But he has done some extraordinarily good things. I mean,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: most recently, he's sanctioned a number of TPLF. TPLF where
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the previous government in Ethiopia turned into a very very
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: violent movement about three years ago, taking parts of Ethiopia.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: He has sanctioned, sanctioned their leadership that TPF were fully
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Western BacT by the way, he has sanctioned sorry, also Rwandan,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of the the the DF, the Rwandan Defense Force,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of their leadership has been sanctioned, but they've
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: they have by Trump, but they've had to lift it
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: because business doesn't operate on the continent without these networks.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: So it's a complicated story.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's nuanced and complex. There are multiple layers exactly.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: And I think that's also part of the trick, isn't it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: It's either you know, Christian or Muslim. It's either good
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: or bad. It's either black or white. It's either hey
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Trump or love Trump.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: False false dichotomies exactly.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Perfect word, false dichotomies, and the reality and the truth
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: lies somewhere in between. So you have, oh, something happening
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: and they say, oh, do he didn't do that on Tuesday.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: He did that on Monday. No, it was on Tuesday. No,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: it was on Monday. No, it's the fact that he
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: did it, you know, that kind of thing. So you
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: always have that being thrown into the debate to it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the red herring game, to obsipacate, obsvricate. What is the
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: essential argument? Yeah, it's actually really dead simple, that's the thing.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: It's really really dead simple. It's so simple. It's beautiful.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: While you have captured governments, while you have people like
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: you know, I didn't fit into the story. I was
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: telling you about Bakaharam And the campaign manager for Barack
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Obama was David Axelrod, who was also the campaign manager
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: for Muhammadu Bahari. And you know, while you have this happening,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: you have a very little chance of people actually having
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: the government that they want to represent them.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: But you have heard, I'm sure of what's happening.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: In the the Alliance of Sahelian States. Very very exciting, wonderful,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: wonderful stuff happening there with Bikina, Faso, Malia, Nije, and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: of course all these countries were It was a military coup,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: bloodless military cuz taking over captured governments and they are
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: now making incredible changes. You know, they are uplifting the
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: standard of living for their people. They are building infrastructure left,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: right and center. They are increasing the health, they're increasing education.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: They're doing so much good it's unbelievable. And most importantly,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: they are keeping control of their mineral reserves.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: So that's critical to it all.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: So you have a government that will either say no,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: we are going to process our boy site and turn
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: it into aluminum and then we'll sell it to you,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: rather than saying, oh, he here's the ore, here's the
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: irn ore. Take as much as you want and can
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: we buy some.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Kissinger earlier, and I think you were
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: referring to the Kissinger Report. I think that was around
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Four, yeah, n A seven two hundred, yeah, yeah.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And in that report he said that the US must
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: control American resources by African resources by controlling African populations,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and that was formally adopted I think under food.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Kissinger is actually written in There was a CIA, one
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: of the first CIA whistleblowers, a guy called John Stockwell,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: and he wrote in Search of Enemies, and Kissinger actually
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: told him because he was the CIA Task Officer for Angola,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: and his directive words that came out of Kissinger's mouth
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: was make that Angolan government's life as difficult as possible.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: So they didn't really care who they funded or who
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: they backed. They wanted to make that new government. You know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: this is the government that came in after the end
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: of colonialism, and they just wanted to make their lives
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: as difficult as poossible. And we can the state, we
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: can the state and make the state economy economically non
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: viable because they're constantly fighting this huge insurgency actually went
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: an insurgency Unita, but fighting this civil war. So that's
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the game. And then of course you know who is
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: benefiting from that, whether it was Maurice Templesman and all
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the diamond networks coming through the beers, So that that's
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: how it works. You know, the same thing as Sierra Leone,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the most horrendous civil war that's actually happened, so brutal,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: so utterly brutal, and that that was all about diamonds.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: The whole thing was about diamonds.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Kidnapping is more lucrative than mining in anyways. It feeds
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: into the insurgency narrative.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yes exactly, it funds the war effort, It funds the
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Boccahar army swap war effort, and and that's that's what's
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: happening and creating enormous and stability, the huge areas of
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: not an Nigeria where you cannot travel safely. You just
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: simply cannot travel safely because these these are happening on
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: such a regular basis, and and and all it is
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: is to get to get the cash.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Kidnapping is more lucrative the mining, and that is therefore
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a feature.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Well even an even better one. Okay, what they're doing now,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: they have rehabilitation this is a u N inspired program
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  Speaker 3: running in Nigeria, a rehabilitation scheme for Boccaharam fighters. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: because obviously, what.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: What do you do with a group of people who
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: have been in many cases coursed in many cases, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: it's the only way of earning an income. It's what
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you do, isn't it. That's what you do. What do
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: you do with them when they surrender, when they when
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: they come over and say I'm tired of fighting, I
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: want out. So anyway, they have this program running now
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: and it's sadly laughable because what they're doing is they
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: are applauding. Applauding is the wrong word. They are giving
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  Speaker 3: money to people who were ex Bokoharam fighters. They're giving
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: them huge, huge amounts of Nigerian naira and they are
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: doing it to compensate them. So in effect, the thinking is, okay,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: you can no longer earn a living being a Boccaharam
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: fighter is what fighter, so we are going to compensate
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  Speaker 3: you with this money. It's absolutely atrocious backward thinking. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: how you can even considered doing that and compensating people
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  Speaker 3: who are former fighters with amounts of money that many
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: people in those outlying rural areas will never see in
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: their lifetimes. It's actually, it's incredible that anyone even thought
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: of that, and it reminds me so much of a
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: recent thing in the UK where one of the labor
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: ministers came up with a great idea of giving any
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: migrants who wanted to repatriate up to forty thousand pounds
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: for a family of four, you know, ten thousand pounds
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: for an individual to go back to Afghanistan or Somalia.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: You know who came up with that? That one live
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: on another planet. And this same thing is happening where
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: you are. Where you are rewarding people who are who
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: are ex fighters, who have done the most horrendous things,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: and yet you are not helping the people on the ground.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, ten thousand pounds to average Brett is a
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: huge amount of money. Forty thousand's massive. And the same
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: thing is happening in Nigeria.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Who's actually running Nigeria, Washington.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: No, it isn't at all. Actually, Nigeria is very much
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: under used term globalist under the Epstein class globalist, some
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: very much so. France are the are the lead in
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of what's happening across West Africa. You know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: they were kicked out of the as States Maley Bikino
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: fasso Nisia or kick the French out because the terrorism,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: the ISIS forces Genem and all the rest of them
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: were being allowed to operate under.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: French operations.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: You know, they were facilitating the rise and these insurgencies,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: which is what what has always happened. So that's why
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: they kicked them out. So now France are closing up
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: to Cameroon. They recently Macron was in Kenya closing up
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: to Routou and a few other places, but he got
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: booed out of Kenya. He insulted them so much. I
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: think they brewed him out. But but no, very much.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Nigeria is under the control of London. It's it's Westminster
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and Paris. The American involvement. I do hold out hopes
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: that that there's something very different happening under Trump administration.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I do, I really do. But no, it's firmly in
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the group. You remember, Nigeria is a former British colony.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Sive ties.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of members of our government are Nigerian,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: you know, like, so there's massive ties.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is a very fascinating topic. It's very complicated,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate your attempts to simplify it in this conversation.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to invite you back because I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: want to chat all something about that the high speed
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: railway network. But for now, how can I follow your work?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I've got a website called Africanagenda dot net.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I'm also on x.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: But most it is my website, and I have one
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: or two articles on Substack under my name P. D.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Lawton, pe Dy Lawton. Thank you for joining me in
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the trenches.