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An Extremely Q&A Episode · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
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Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
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Speaker 1: Becdel Cast listeners. Oh my god, I almost just like,
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Speaker 1: for some reason, I was going to start singing that
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Speaker 1: being the song. I was like, Okay, we've did our countdown.
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Speaker 1: We're like one, two, three, four or five past. Oh wow,
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Speaker 1: if we did that, that would be actually really fucked up.
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Speaker 1: If we did that. Well, look, my voice, as you
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Speaker 1: might be able to tell listeners, is it doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: quite like myself. I'm a little sick at the moment. Sick.
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Speaker 1: Oh sexy, what stop it? Sorry, you're gonna refort me
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Speaker 1: to hrfort me to Jack O'Brien, I dare you? Um,
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I don't know how that will
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Speaker 1: affect my amazing, beautiful, perfect singing voice being sick. So
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Speaker 1: it's true, So we better not. But what we are
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Speaker 1: going to do today is answer some questions in a
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Speaker 1: Q and I episode, which we've done in the past.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of become a yearly tradition that we kick
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Speaker 1: off the new year with a Q and I episode
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Speaker 1: answering questions that our matrons have submitted. So thank you
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Speaker 1: to all the matrons who submitted a question. Yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to have time to answer all of them
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Speaker 1: because we're so popular and we've got so many questions.
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Speaker 1: Sorry everybody, but but um we're gonna answer a few
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Speaker 1: of them. And that's how we kick off. I love
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Speaker 1: our Q and A episode. It's it's a time of traditions,
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Speaker 1: you know. We we released our Grace Freud episode on
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Speaker 1: the Santa Clauses. Is that Grace at the show last
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Speaker 1: night and we were really reflecting on how we are
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Speaker 1: going to be doing a fifth one of those episodes.
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Speaker 1: It kind of like I can't believe the bone chilling
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Speaker 1: in a way. Um, but a lot of traditions, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of like really hit you in the marrow of
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Speaker 1: your existence. Sure. Well, as we discussed on that episode,
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Speaker 1: we're not quite certain if this is a tradition or
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Speaker 1: a curse. So it's true. I mean, but I do
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Speaker 1: love um being cursed by things. It makes me happy.
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Speaker 1: It's reassuring at times, that's true. Yeah, it reminds you
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Speaker 1: that you're alive. It when you think about it. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: it though? Doesn't it though? I? Yeah, yeah, all right, um, okay,
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Speaker 1: shall we get into it? I was like, I guess
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Speaker 1: we don't really need to tell people what the Bachtel
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Speaker 1: test is today, Like it's this week, honey, look it up. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Plus we are going to be passing it so much
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Speaker 1: in this by answering these questions, can we start with
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Speaker 1: just like, I just want to know. I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: just want to tell you something. I was like, how
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Speaker 1: can I make this a part of the show. I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to tell you something. I saw a ska
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Speaker 1: band last night, A ska band. I skanked. It was awesome.
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Speaker 1: It was so cool, and it was feminism. And you
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Speaker 1: know why why the vast majority of the horn section
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Speaker 1: were women? Oh no kidding. We had a woman on
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Speaker 1: the trump bone. We had a woman on the trumpet.
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Speaker 1: It was very thrilling. I am now really like, you know,
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Speaker 1: much like many things, I feel like Scott Scott is
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Speaker 1: going to make a comeback. You can really quote me
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Speaker 1: on that. I saw a cool ska band last night
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Speaker 1: and and and people were like, are you gonna skank
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Speaker 1: or what? And I was like, is that the verb
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Speaker 1: to wait, what does to skank mean? Oh, we're having
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Speaker 1: a moment um, it's uh skank. It's like the dance
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Speaker 1: well now I sound it's like the dance that Scott do. Um.
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Speaker 1: It's sort of just like really performative, low kicking um,
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Speaker 1: but you can do. You do it in the kind
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Speaker 1: of like a pit situation and it's just like a
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Speaker 1: bunch of friendly kicking and you know, the time registers
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Speaker 1: doing what it's doing. Okay, So like the Charlie Brown dance,
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Speaker 1: isn't that how the Peanuts characters. I don't know the
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Speaker 1: SKA community would feel about you saying that, Caitlin, but
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sure that's very reductive. But it's not
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Speaker 1: unlike that. But it's more like intense. It's pretty fast,
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Speaker 1: but it is just kind of like bad dancing. But
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Speaker 1: like when people are into it, you're like, maybe this
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Speaker 1: is good. And I and I did that bit that
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Speaker 1: I have with the egg where I eat the egg familiar,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Listeners remain in the dark. Um.
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Speaker 1: But the guy brought up bassist in the SKA band,
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Speaker 1: so they're also allies to me doing the egg bit.
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Speaker 1: Ska is feminist and I just wanted to let you
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Speaker 1: know that. Okay, I'm glad to hear it, and then
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Speaker 1: can I tell you something? Yeah, of course, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I'll follow through on this, but I think
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Speaker 1: in the new year I want to take a burlesque
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Speaker 1: class and then get into burlesque. That's so, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: What if you did burlesque and I played the trombone,
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Speaker 1: we could do Oh, I could play for you. That
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Speaker 1: would be perfect. You could do rose do itpy cater burlesque,
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Speaker 1: and then I would play my Heart Will go On
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Speaker 1: on the trombone. Yes, that wouldn't be cursed. Wait, that's
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Speaker 1: so amazing. Are there classes like locally? I guess I
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Speaker 1: would imagine their I I think so, yeah, because I
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Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: do burlesque, but it's an art for us, so I
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Speaker 1: have to learn. And so if anyone has any tips
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Speaker 1: on how to do burlesque or play the trombone, if
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Speaker 1: anyone's trying to get rid of a trombone, um, I'm
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Speaker 1: in the market for one. I feel like if I
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Speaker 1: have of trombone like around, at some point, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: have to pick it up. You know like it's acquiring
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Speaker 1: the traumbone is half the battle, and then finding a
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Speaker 1: good traumba to you if you're a local l a trombonus.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll stick with this, but it
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Speaker 1: was just so inspiring to um see so many women
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Speaker 1: in the SKA band. Anyways, Okay, queues and as here
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Speaker 1: we go, starting with a question from Alex. Hi. Alex asks,
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Speaker 1: y'all sometimes talk about how watching movies for the show
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Speaker 1: changes your perspective on them. Along similar lines, has doing
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Speaker 1: the show changed your perspective on films in general? If so,
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Speaker 1: in what ways? Oh? I would say for me, the
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Speaker 1: show has made me realize that so few movies are
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Speaker 1: ones that I could ever vouch for in terms of
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Speaker 1: does this hold up when looking at it through an
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Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens? Because I think the average nipple skill
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Speaker 1: writing we give out is like one pull out of five.
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Speaker 1: Maybe too, I would say, maybe too, because we've we've
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Speaker 1: been covering like better movies as the show went on. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we used to be strictly, strictly a hater. This used
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Speaker 1: to be strictly a hater zone, but grew up. But
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Speaker 1: I still love movies. I still I always have, I
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Speaker 1: always will. I don't think anything's ever gonna change that.
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Speaker 1: So even though nearly every movie ever made is a
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Speaker 1: disaster at least when it comes to intersexual feminism, it's
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Speaker 1: still a medium that I adore so and I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that says about me, but I'm always going
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Speaker 1: to love movies. Beautiful Yeah for me, I like it
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Speaker 1: definitely has changed my perspective, but even like a life,
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Speaker 1: like even throughout the course of the show, it has
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Speaker 1: changed my perspective in like more nuanced ways as things
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Speaker 1: went on, because as as fun as it always will
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Speaker 1: be to be like, yeah, this is just like not good.
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Speaker 1: This is like a hateful use of media. But as
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Speaker 1: time goes on, you know, and and we cover movies
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Speaker 1: that have like more kind of shape, Like I guess,
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Speaker 1: it's been interesting too. Now I feel like I approached
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Speaker 1: like you, there's like different ways to approach the movie,
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Speaker 1: and in some ways you can appreciate it more and
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Speaker 1: in other ways, like it is not as fun of
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Speaker 1: a watch, like I guess, I used to watch movies
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Speaker 1: on one setting, but now I have like an appreciation
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Speaker 1: for being able to like watch movies on more than
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Speaker 1: one setting, and and had that be okay, you know,
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Speaker 1: because it used to I feel like I used to
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Speaker 1: be like movie good or movie bad, and it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways, and you know, everyone
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Speaker 1: is their own person. Some movies are just like straight
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Speaker 1: up sucking bad. But I've enjoyed kind of like training
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Speaker 1: myself to like seek out context and like try to
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Speaker 1: understand a little better if a movie is like challenging
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Speaker 1: me and not just like clearly shitty or clearly amazing,
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Speaker 1: to kind of like seek out more context and figure
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Speaker 1: out like what time was this coming out in, Like
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Speaker 1: where was the writer and the filmmaker coming from, and
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Speaker 1: like how does that kind of And I feel like
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Speaker 1: on our show that's kind of like skewed us in
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Speaker 1: both directions towards a movie where there's like some movies
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Speaker 1: were giving the benefit of the doubt, and then we
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Speaker 1: learn more about it, we're like, oh no, we were
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Speaker 1: being too nice, never again, and then other times, um
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Speaker 1: the opposite, we're like, Okay, clearly this like missed, but
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Speaker 1: the attempt was at least somewhat sincere or whatever. And
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Speaker 1: I think it's also changed the way that I write,
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Speaker 1: hopefully for the better. I think for the better. UM,
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Speaker 1: and just like the way that I approach characters, and
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Speaker 1: it's nice to kind of have the Bechdel track in
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Speaker 1: your head to make sure that you're giving everyone the
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Speaker 1: space they need in the story. That's my answer, Alex, Yes, M,
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Speaker 1: thanks for asking it. Our next question comes from Catherine High. Catherine, UM,
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Speaker 1: A lot of movies lately are experimenting with subverting tired
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Speaker 1: old movie tropes. Are y'all noticing any of these recent
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Speaker 1: tropes of versions that are becoming tropes of their own? Um?
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Speaker 1: One comes to mind right away, which is like forced
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Speaker 1: villain Redemption arc. Don't like it. Don't like I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how that how much that has
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Speaker 1: to do with feminism or intersectionality. I just don't like it.
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Speaker 1: And I miss pushing the villain off of a cliff,
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Speaker 1: which I know before, but actually it does connect to
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Speaker 1: the episode that came out last week on the Santa Clauses,
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Speaker 1: where I feel like it's become I think especially in
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Speaker 1: Disney properties, but kind of across media in general, like
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Speaker 1: it's become so normalized to be like I get started
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Speaker 1: by coming from a sincere place. I'm trying to think of,
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Speaker 1: like what big movie would have kicked this off, but
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Speaker 1: like coming at a villain character with empathy, it might
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Speaker 1: have been even like Wicked or something like that. Like
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Speaker 1: coming at a classic villainous character with empathy and trying
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Speaker 1: to understand things from their point of view. I think
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Speaker 1: that that is like a sincere thing at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: but now it's just like I mean, in the Santa Clauses,
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Speaker 1: for example, you just have like a guy who's straight
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Speaker 1: up a bad guy. The cow Penn character is like
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Speaker 1: a Jeff Bezos villain, but the movie, but the movie
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Speaker 1: that whatever Avatar length miniseries is like doing fucking Olympic
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Speaker 1: gymnastics to try to like redeem him, because that's just
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Speaker 1: like what you do now. And I feel like it
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Speaker 1: can really like go the other way in a very
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable way. I don't know, Like there's movies where it's
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Speaker 1: super works, and then there's other movies where it just
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Speaker 1: feels like, oh, this is what we do now. So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to write a truly despicable horror character and
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Speaker 1: then just have everyone forgive them at the end, even
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Speaker 1: if they are like Jeff Bezos human rights abuse. Like
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Speaker 1: You're like, but we don't need to forgive that guy.
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Speaker 1: We just don't. There are some people we need to
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Speaker 1: forgive in movies, and I like that, but others not
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Speaker 1: as much. Right, I have complicated feelings about it because
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Speaker 1: I think that it's important that depending on the person
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Speaker 1: and their crimes, redemption like their crimes is a huge thing,
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Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, right, like the society would
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Speaker 1: be a better place. You just reminded me of what
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Speaker 1: Searchharonan saying women and little the My my cold is
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Speaker 1: affecting my cognitive functioning. But what I'm trying to say
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Speaker 1: is redemption is possible for some people, and I, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I want to like create space for
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Speaker 1: people who, you know, if they if they do what
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Speaker 1: they need to do to redeem themselves and their and
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Speaker 1: their crimes aren't so heinous that they could possibly deserve redemption.
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Speaker 1: Like that's a message that I think should be put
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Speaker 1: out into aforementioned society, especially in kids media, because there's
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Speaker 1: so many like tropes that villainized marginalized people in a
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Speaker 1: way that is like absolutely fucked up and needs to
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Speaker 1: be re examined. I think it's just like that as
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Speaker 1: a trope that also applies to like people who are
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Speaker 1: fucking capitalism ng the hell out, Like you're just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I struggle with it. Yeah, for sure, it's also kind
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Speaker 1: of boring. Another trope I've noticed is movies and TV
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Speaker 1: and media in general. Um, I mean, we have noticed
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Speaker 1: more diverse casts in terms of race, gender, sexuality, and
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Speaker 1: things like that, but because so much media is still
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Speaker 1: made by rich, powerful white men, it's clear that this
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Speaker 1: inclusion only is happening because these guys are tired of
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Speaker 1: people challenging them. So there's there is like more diversity,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it isn't good or meaningful, or
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Speaker 1: it's clear that they didn't consult anyone about these characters. Oftentimes,
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Speaker 1: these characters are very flat, underdeveloped people who behave in
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Speaker 1: ways that make no sense, and they are just there
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Speaker 1: to like fill a quota more or less. Yeah, which
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Speaker 1: is like like I like, arguably worse. Like I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like the yardstick they're really but like
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Speaker 1: it's that's diabolical to do like higher talented people and
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Speaker 1: then be like, but I'm just doing this so people
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Speaker 1: leave me alone. It's like a fucking character do your job, man,
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Speaker 1: for sure. So yeah, I also find that frustrating. I
15:18
Speaker 1: think we may be uh the gender swapped reboot maybe
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Speaker 1: on its on its dying legs. I think we may
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Speaker 1: really well and truly be done with it. Yes, what
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Speaker 1: I hope happens. In addition to like what we always
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Speaker 1: talk about with more movies, and I think in the
15:35
Speaker 1: time this show, like you're just saying the time the
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Speaker 1: show's existed, there's been an increase in diverse storytelling and
15:42
Speaker 1: it's been getting better. But I also hope that it's
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Speaker 1: like that makes way for more original storytelling to it
15:49
Speaker 1: feels like it's kind of on the upswing. We got
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Speaker 1: her everything everywhere all at once, like we're chilling. It's good,
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Speaker 1: but like, I hope that that kind of keeps moving. Also, unrelated,
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Speaker 1: hope that, um that short movies come back. If short
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Speaker 1: that would say that is a trope that every movie
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Speaker 1: is three hours long now and I will allow it
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Speaker 1: when it's r R R, which I'll talk about later,
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Speaker 1: but why is every other movie so long? It's complicated
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Speaker 1: stopping even when movies I like are long, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: come on, um, Yeah, I hope that the eight seven
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Speaker 1: minute movie makes come back. Wouldn't that be cool? And
16:35
Speaker 1: then then you could go to double features without like
16:38
Speaker 1: your fucking organs rupturing. It would be cool. Um without
16:43
Speaker 1: your intestines exploding. Call back to while you were sleeping, Oh,
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Speaker 1: Matreon head over, Yanna, listen to Sandra Boogs Boss talking
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Speaker 1: about his mother's organs exploding when she met his wife
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Speaker 1: was an amazing time for writing. Um. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to think of other I think those
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Speaker 1: are maybe we'll think of more later. I know that
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Speaker 1: there's a bunch that are kind of prevalent right now.
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Speaker 1: I think it's like a lot of them boiled down
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Speaker 1: to people attempting more inclusion and diversity in storytelling and
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Speaker 1: not getting it quite right because they are like coming
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Speaker 1: from places of extreme privilege and aren't bothering to consult
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Speaker 1: or like hand the reins to someone else who can
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Speaker 1: tell those stories more meaningfully. So agree anyway, Um, let's
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Speaker 1: take a quick break and then come back for some
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Speaker 1: more questions and we're back. Next question comes from Jacqueline
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Speaker 1: asks do you feel like the era of Prestige TV
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Speaker 1: slash limited anthology series does a better job of representing
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Speaker 1: women and diverse voices on camera and do you have
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Speaker 1: theories as to why or why not? For example, I
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Speaker 1: think that the way streamers produce TV shows allow diverse
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Speaker 1: creators to make their art, and having longer character arts
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Speaker 1: in general seems to let women have more depth. These
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Speaker 1: points both have their negative counterpoint um and Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think you're already touching on a lot of why this is.
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Speaker 1: And I I don't watch a ton of TV. I'm
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Speaker 1: definitely more of a movie person. But the nature of
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Speaker 1: TV just generally does allow for more in depth character development. However,
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Speaker 1: TV is still full of regressive tropes, maybe not as
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Speaker 1: many today. I do think that a lot of media
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Speaker 1: again is like trying to avoid that stuff, um, for
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Speaker 1: better or worse. And I also think that because TV
19:11
Speaker 1: is ongoing, usually with multiple seasons, it gives creators and
19:15
Speaker 1: writers a chance to course correct as the series goes
19:20
Speaker 1: on m based on responses from fans usually, but it
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Speaker 1: always comes down to who is behind the camera, who's
19:29
Speaker 1: in the writer's room, who's making these creative choices about characters. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have like a lot. I don't. I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of opinions on TV. I love TV. I've worked
19:39
Speaker 1: in TV for five years now, brag Binkie, but mostly
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Speaker 1: in animation, but I feel like there's I agree with Jacqueline,
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Speaker 1: there is more, I think more diversity in general. Then
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Speaker 1: TV is also so fraud Like I think that there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of amazing shows that are uh from women
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Speaker 1: and people call her and queer people. There's there's simply
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Speaker 1: just more of them than there are in movies. But
20:08
Speaker 1: because of how streaming works, it's so fraught, and I
20:11
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes things just go away and it feels
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Speaker 1: like sometimes it's like, Okay, we'll give you one season,
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Speaker 1: and like the same problems kind of exist where you know,
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Speaker 1: like a show by you know, a notable white man,
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Speaker 1: even if it kind of sucks for one season, they'll
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Speaker 1: get a second season to find their voice and do
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Speaker 1: all this stuff and blah blah blah. Where like in movies,
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Speaker 1: and we talked about this a lot with with marginalised
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Speaker 1: directors of like if you have one movie that doesn't
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Speaker 1: do great financially or critically, you could be kind of done,
20:45
Speaker 1: and like that also bears out in TV quite a bit.
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Speaker 1: But I do feel like there's a lot to be
20:52
Speaker 1: excited about, like you know, absolutely Broken Record being like
20:56
Speaker 1: Abbot elementary, but like for real abbot elementary, like it's
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Speaker 1: the fucking cool Like, it's the funniest show on TV. Um,
21:04
Speaker 1: there's so many good shows at right now, but Okay,
21:07
Speaker 1: a show that sticks out to me is like The
21:09
Speaker 1: Gordita Chronicles, which was a really cute shell It was
21:11
Speaker 1: really good. It was on HBO Max. It is a
21:14
Speaker 1: Latin focused show and it's from Latin creators, but they
21:19
Speaker 1: were only given one season and not only was the
21:22
Speaker 1: show canceled, it's being pulled from HBO Max because of
21:26
Speaker 1: all this evil corporate ship that's going on right now.
21:29
Speaker 1: That makes it really really hard for because of how
21:32
Speaker 1: streaming works, like, it makes it so hard for like,
21:36
Speaker 1: even though there's more opportunities I think technically on paper
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Speaker 1: in TV for um for marginalized creators than in movies,
21:44
Speaker 1: it's way easier to like short change and disappear that
21:50
Speaker 1: same media. Like why isn't Rutherford Falls getting a third
21:54
Speaker 1: fucking season? Are you joking? Like it's ridiculous and it
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Speaker 1: makes me um piste off obviously, but there is so
22:05
Speaker 1: much to love about what's on TV right now, and
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Speaker 1: I really I don't know and that, but but there's
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Speaker 1: like sorry, I'm like, she's still going. There's also tropes
22:16
Speaker 1: within like Prestige TV right now, that's kind of exhausting
22:20
Speaker 1: to where it's like, you know, I know that a lot.
22:23
Speaker 1: I mean I watched some of them. I'm Succession fan
22:26
Speaker 1: number one. I've got my Waistar Roy co hat in
22:29
Speaker 1: the other room, don't you forget it. I had hot
22:32
Speaker 1: coffee this morning out of my we here for you
22:34
Speaker 1: mug um. Yeah. Like I but there are so many
22:40
Speaker 1: shows right now about rich people being bad and then
22:44
Speaker 1: but then the the underlying message is like capitalism bad.
22:48
Speaker 1: But isn't it kind of sick to watch? And like
22:51
Speaker 1: I think that's I don't know if that started with Succession,
22:53
Speaker 1: but like Succession is so fucking good that I feel
22:56
Speaker 1: like that is a huge trend right now. That kind
22:59
Speaker 1: of I feel like it's like, well, it's technically anti
23:02
Speaker 1: capitalist because we're making fun of rich people, so we
23:06
Speaker 1: should be able to just do this and then we
23:08
Speaker 1: could still have all white, rich traditionally hot casts and
23:12
Speaker 1: it's like, well you can do that, and sometimes I
23:15
Speaker 1: will watch it, but like you know, clocked, I see it. Um,
23:21
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that is. I think people
23:25
Speaker 1: should watch what we do in the Shadows and p
23:28
Speaker 1: Valley and succession, and that's what I have to say
23:34
Speaker 1: about it. Also stopped making really boring true crime adaptations.
23:41
Speaker 1: Enough enough, I should have played Elizabeth Holmes. Okay, yeah,
23:45
Speaker 1: I agree, and that's my problem. All right, UM, Sorry
23:50
Speaker 1: that was I hope that answered the question. UM. Also animation,
23:54
Speaker 1: look at look at how animation is unionized. And when
23:57
Speaker 1: I say that, I mean it's not unionized. A fun
24:00
Speaker 1: fact about animation writers, they are not allowed in the
24:03
Speaker 1: w g A. Why we durable not that they're not allowed,
24:06
Speaker 1: but like very few animated shows are. I've been working
24:09
Speaker 1: in TV for five years and I'm not in the
24:11
Speaker 1: w g A because I work at animation ridiculous. So
24:14
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like evil shit afoot, and it's
24:18
Speaker 1: it's good to know about. Um if you're a media consumer,
24:22
Speaker 1: it's depressing to know about. But it's interesting in a way,
24:26
Speaker 1: especially if it doesn't affect your health insurance. So let's
24:29
Speaker 1: take another question. This one is from Deirdre, but we
24:32
Speaker 1: got similar questions from several different matrons. Are there any
24:36
Speaker 1: movies that you absolutely will not cover even if they
24:39
Speaker 1: are requested by listeners, whether it's because they are so bad,
24:43
Speaker 1: treat marginalized people, so poorly or wouldn't lead to much discussion.
24:46
Speaker 1: I want to know which titles are in the Bechtel
24:48
Speaker 1: cast trash bin Oh. I was thinking about this, and
24:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any movie that is completely
24:57
Speaker 1: off limits to me. There are some that I think, wait, well, okay,
25:03
Speaker 1: so I will maybe protest and be like, I don't
25:06
Speaker 1: want to cover Hereditary But I said the same thing.
25:11
Speaker 1: But I said the same thing about Midsummer and we
25:13
Speaker 1: covered that on the Matreon. Yeah, I've definitely covered movies
25:17
Speaker 1: I wasn't stoked about, but like, I feel like that
25:19
Speaker 1: usually makes for a pretty interesting episode. It's true. Um, yeah,
25:23
Speaker 1: I mean there are definitely movies that I am not
25:26
Speaker 1: thrilled about or that I don't want to rewatch because
25:29
Speaker 1: they made me feel horrible the first time. But I
25:34
Speaker 1: think that that just means that, yeah, it'll inspire an
25:38
Speaker 1: interesting conversation and yeah, and it's our duty to cover it. Then.
25:44
Speaker 1: I actually I'm looking at the next question, which feels
25:48
Speaker 1: should we just roll in this next question because I
25:50
Speaker 1: feel like it's relevant. The next question is from Oliver.
25:53
Speaker 1: Is there still an embargo on covering Master of Disguise?
25:56
Speaker 1: I would say I don't really want to cover that
25:58
Speaker 1: movie at this point because it's like I feel like
26:01
Speaker 1: that's an I don't know, like how to category. I mean,
26:03
Speaker 1: I guess it's a lot of comedy movies honestly that
26:07
Speaker 1: are aging poorly. But like, I think that people developed
26:10
Speaker 1: an ironic appreciation for that movie, myself included back in
26:13
Speaker 1: the day. But when you watch it on becteal cast terms,
26:16
Speaker 1: it's like so unforgivably bad that like I don't even
26:19
Speaker 1: want to really give it air time. Like it's like
26:22
Speaker 1: Dana Carvey appears in Brown Face, Like it's a funked
26:25
Speaker 1: up movie. And I think that there are certain things
26:29
Speaker 1: that like can provoke interesting discussions, And then I feel
26:33
Speaker 1: like there's other movies that it's like, oh, we're just
26:35
Speaker 1: you know, kind of digging this movie up from the
26:38
Speaker 1: grave to point out how bad it is, which I
26:40
Speaker 1: feel like it's like not a productive something. Yeah, something
26:46
Speaker 1: like Master of Disguise, which has no legacy to speak of.
26:50
Speaker 1: It's not as though people are still like I ride
26:52
Speaker 1: or die for Master of Disguise. I think it's they're
26:57
Speaker 1: out there. I think it's important to have conversations about
27:03
Speaker 1: movies that include really awful stuff like just you know,
27:07
Speaker 1: horrible racism and homophobia and transphobia and things like that.
27:12
Speaker 1: But that I think is more important to do for
27:14
Speaker 1: movies that still are like in the cultural zeitgeist, the
27:20
Speaker 1: daily zeitgeist. Maybe it's yeah, where it doesn't make sense
27:26
Speaker 1: to do that for a movie that no one remembers,
27:30
Speaker 1: such as Master of Disguise, right, I mean, I guess
27:33
Speaker 1: I could be talked out of it because I know
27:35
Speaker 1: that like a lot of kids around our age saw
27:37
Speaker 1: that movie like and so it could be interesting to
27:40
Speaker 1: go back and be like, look at the like horrific
27:43
Speaker 1: slop we were forced to consume and say thank you.
27:47
Speaker 1: M Also, the name Pistachio disguise E is funny, so
27:51
Speaker 1: that's comedy. But I mean, I don't know that's an
27:53
Speaker 1: example of something that I would be I feel like
27:56
Speaker 1: we would. There are movies that we've had discussions before
27:59
Speaker 1: we've decided to come for it to be like is
28:00
Speaker 1: this like useful, is it funny? Like or what you know,
28:05
Speaker 1: figuring out where those lines are? Okay, pitch, what if
28:09
Speaker 1: we do a Matreon month it's Master of Disguise and
28:14
Speaker 1: the Master or Master and Commander. Wow, so many Masters?
28:22
Speaker 1: I can't think of any others but food for thought.
28:27
Speaker 1: And I think outside of that, the only movies that like.
28:30
Speaker 1: If there's like movies that you're like, why haven't they
28:32
Speaker 1: covered that? And it seems like we would, it's probably
28:35
Speaker 1: just because we know someone involved and like it. I
28:38
Speaker 1: just don't want I just don't want to feel weird.
28:41
Speaker 1: So if you're for wondering, that's likely. If it's a
28:45
Speaker 1: more recent movie, it's likely. Why. Yeah, again, we're very
28:49
Speaker 1: popular and we know so many people. Yes, the Madam's
28:53
Speaker 1: of Hollywood over here. Wow. Okay, so our next question
28:58
Speaker 1: comes from Katie asks. I loved your discussion in the
29:03
Speaker 1: Good Fellows episode of movies that you didn't care to
29:06
Speaker 1: watch because of the way people i e. Men talked
29:10
Speaker 1: to you about them, And I immediately thought of Fight Club,
29:14
Speaker 1: which I recently finally watched and hated. But would love
29:18
Speaker 1: to know what other movies fall into this category for
29:21
Speaker 1: you all, and what of those movies have you seen
29:25
Speaker 1: and think are definitely worth watching? I have some thoughts. Okay,
29:34
Speaker 1: this well, this is a little This is tricky for
29:36
Speaker 1: me because of my already extremely dude bro taste in movies,
29:43
Speaker 1: which is like, you don't need to. I feel like
29:45
Speaker 1: you've apologized for it in the past, where it's like
29:48
Speaker 1: you are who you argue that that's thank you. So
29:52
Speaker 1: point being, I've already seen many of the movies that
29:56
Speaker 1: men will try to insist that I need to see,
30:00
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bitch, I've already seen that, and I
30:02
Speaker 1: hate it. Um Because there are many that I have
30:06
Speaker 1: that I've seen and that I hate so deeply. We've
30:09
Speaker 1: covered some of them, but um Leon the Professional is
30:12
Speaker 1: one that jumps to mind. I hate it so much.
30:17
Speaker 1: Blade Runner, Yeah, I don't see the appeal the movie.
30:23
Speaker 1: Heat Men are like heat Rocks, and I'm like, it's
30:27
Speaker 1: so boring though a lot of like I mean, I
30:30
Speaker 1: think that there's like, I don't know, like good Fellas.
30:33
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that discussion because we were like good Fellas
30:37
Speaker 1: heads and we also liked The Godfather. If you're not
30:40
Speaker 1: on the fucking Matreon and you've been yelled at us
30:42
Speaker 1: for years, we liked both those damn movies. We like
30:45
Speaker 1: good Fellas better. Yeah, and we're right about that, but
30:49
Speaker 1: that is the correct answer. Yes, But yeah, I feel
30:52
Speaker 1: like there's like I'm trying to think of like a
30:54
Speaker 1: dude bro movie that I avoided for a long time
30:56
Speaker 1: that I'm on this list called men's gear dot Net. Uh,
31:02
Speaker 1: I think that is it is kind of an interesting
31:04
Speaker 1: thing where it's like fight club. I think we talked
31:06
Speaker 1: about this back in the day. I also like, I
31:08
Speaker 1: want to go back to that episode someday because I
31:10
Speaker 1: feel like there's things that like. Because we did it
31:12
Speaker 1: as a live show for some reason, we couldn't get
31:16
Speaker 1: to everything, and I feel like I had more nuanced thoughts,
31:19
Speaker 1: but was um kind of self editing because we have
31:22
Speaker 1: to do an entertaining live show on top of having
31:24
Speaker 1: a very complicated discussion, which is why our live shows
31:28
Speaker 1: pluging our tour are now basically fun popcorny movie they're
31:32
Speaker 1: goofy movies, such as a goofy movie. Um, I can't
31:36
Speaker 1: really think of any I think that, like honestly, all
31:39
Speaker 1: my opinions are right. So actually, actually, Big Lebowski was
31:43
Speaker 1: a movie that I avoided for a long time, and
31:46
Speaker 1: I uh, it's a classic. It's awesome. Um, and I
31:50
Speaker 1: resent that I was kept away from it. Yeah, yeah,
31:53
Speaker 1: I wrote down that one. I think. I mean film
31:57
Speaker 1: bros love the Cohen Brothers, and I think and I'm
32:01
Speaker 1: a big fan as well. I like they're the best many,
32:04
Speaker 1: if not most, of their films. Um, big Lebowski probably
32:08
Speaker 1: being my favorite of them. Um. I would say a
32:11
Speaker 1: couple of Tarantino movies are also ones that I think
32:15
Speaker 1: are worth watching if you avoid Tarantino because of film
32:19
Speaker 1: bros Telling you you gotta see their movies. Although honestly,
32:23
Speaker 1: I think it's mostly just Kill Bill. I really love
32:26
Speaker 1: Kill Bill. Yeah, I love kill but others I hate.
32:30
Speaker 1: I hated The Hateful Eight. I think that's a kind
32:33
Speaker 1: of common opinion, though I think that that's like people
32:36
Speaker 1: are like, that's his worst one. Yeah, So I'm not
32:39
Speaker 1: like saying anything profound here. Although I watched and I
32:43
Speaker 1: was on a plane, so I was I was the
32:46
Speaker 1: snake on the plane. But I I rewatched and Glorious
32:49
Speaker 1: Bastards I hadn't seen since high school. I like, that's
32:52
Speaker 1: a pretty good movie. I really liked that one. I
32:55
Speaker 1: think holds up. On the other hand, once upon a
32:58
Speaker 1: time in Hollywood, we didn't lose one of my least
33:01
Speaker 1: favorite movies. I saw that year, so I have to
33:04
Speaker 1: rewatch it. But I did not like it when it
33:07
Speaker 1: came out. Um, a couple of others I would say
33:09
Speaker 1: are worth watching Our Speed and Point Break, And while
33:14
Speaker 1: they are both copaganda, they are fun romps and Keanu
33:20
Speaker 1: Reeves is in them and he's a national treasure, so
33:23
Speaker 1: he and national treasure although no one kept us from
33:26
Speaker 1: no one kept us from National Treasure. Um. And then
33:29
Speaker 1: my final one that we talked about in Good Fellas,
33:32
Speaker 1: because I just am like, I guess I've always been
33:35
Speaker 1: a fan of Martin Scorsese movies, but now I'm like,
33:38
Speaker 1: maybe this could be my personality for a while. But
33:41
Speaker 1: Wolf of Wall Street one of my favorite movies ever.
33:44
Speaker 1: I feel like such a good capitalism critique. It's fun
33:48
Speaker 1: to watch and everyone's good in it. Um. But but um,
33:52
Speaker 1: you know, there's a certain contingency that take away the
33:54
Speaker 1: wrong message and spoil it for people. But I think
33:57
Speaker 1: it's um it's one of my favs, thing with American Psycho,
34:01
Speaker 1: which we discussed on that episode from a while back.
34:06
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's always a matter of like, because
34:10
Speaker 1: some of these movies are satire or have biting commentary,
34:17
Speaker 1: but often the wrong message is taken away or the
34:20
Speaker 1: satire isn't very clear to begin with, so or it's
34:24
Speaker 1: like poorly adapted which I think is like I don't
34:26
Speaker 1: remember if we really talked about that in the fight
34:28
Speaker 1: Club episode, but I think that, yeah, like it kind
34:32
Speaker 1: of like pings my brain for like how Lolita has
34:35
Speaker 1: been adapted over the years, where like in the source material,
34:39
Speaker 1: I think the morality that the writer is trying to
34:41
Speaker 1: get across is very clear, but the adaptations lack that,
34:45
Speaker 1: and I feel like the fight Club kind of falls
34:48
Speaker 1: into that category in some ways. Yeah, I don't have
34:51
Speaker 1: nuance thoughts on it at the moment, but um, yeah,
34:55
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to kind of explore that idea more.
34:59
Speaker 1: Thank you, Katie, You've opened my mind, You've opened my heart.
35:03
Speaker 1: Two movies by men. Um, let's take another break and
35:09
Speaker 1: then come back and answer a few more questions. We
35:19
Speaker 1: are back, and I think it's time to answer some
35:24
Speaker 1: super fun questions. Yeah, fun ones. First ones from Melanie.
35:30
Speaker 1: What episode is gregg in from? I've listened to every episode.
35:34
Speaker 1: I can't remember the origin. Well, Melanie from YouTube dot
35:38
Speaker 1: com from we did not make it up? We did
35:43
Speaker 1: not make it up. It is from a YouTube video
35:46
Speaker 1: entitled It's Not Even. If you search the word gregnt,
35:50
Speaker 1: this video will come up. But the video is called
35:53
Speaker 1: how is Prangent Formed? Like? Can we listen to it
35:59
Speaker 1: together right now? It's so funny. So what it is?
36:03
Speaker 1: It's it's like a bunch of like frantically typed typo
36:08
Speaker 1: written um like answer websites like Cora and Yahoo Answers
36:13
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's just clearly like people who
36:16
Speaker 1: think that they are pregnant, frantically asking a question on
36:19
Speaker 1: the Internet and not checking their spelling, and it's just
36:22
Speaker 1: the urgency of these typos. It's very funny. It's very yes.
36:26
Speaker 1: So that's where gregnant is from. We first mention it
36:29
Speaker 1: on the episode on the Rock with Miles Gray. So
36:35
Speaker 1: it's because you and Miles knew about this video already
36:38
Speaker 1: and you were you were giggling about Gregnant, and I
36:43
Speaker 1: was like, what do you guys? Because I hadn't seen
36:46
Speaker 1: the video at that point, and so you were in
36:49
Speaker 1: on the joke. I was not. But now hopefully everyone's
36:54
Speaker 1: in on the joke. We encourage you to watch this
36:58
Speaker 1: YouTube video How is Prangent Formed? A k a. The
37:02
Speaker 1: Gregnant video? Kind of an Internet classic. It's fun and
37:07
Speaker 1: and now full fucking circle Miles and his partner there,
37:13
Speaker 1: So there you go. Wow, I know and should send
37:18
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and congregulations to them. We should really send
37:23
Speaker 1: a onesie that says Greg. Yes, absolutely, whatever comes out
37:29
Speaker 1: that baby is Greg exactly. Um. Our next question comes
37:35
Speaker 1: from Forest. I'm so excited I get to read this one. Okay,
37:40
Speaker 1: Forest says, bellow bellow for bellow to you two? Forest,
37:47
Speaker 1: who is the most shreky in character in Titanic? And whomp?
37:55
Speaker 1: Would the Minions hitch their banana wagon two on the Titanic?
38:00
Speaker 1: And then Forest says, sorry, if these questions have already
38:03
Speaker 1: been answered, which is I really hope that there's sincere
38:07
Speaker 1: in saying that, because it's not out of the question
38:09
Speaker 1: that this would have come up on this true, Well,
38:12
Speaker 1: it would have to be um Bruce, Okay, So I
38:16
Speaker 1: think the Minions would would work for Bruce is may
38:20
Speaker 1: or the iceberg. Okay, now we're talking because, as we've
38:26
Speaker 1: discussed in past Minions episodes, it's minions cannon to avoid
38:31
Speaker 1: historical monsters in historically recent memory that the that the
38:34
Speaker 1: minions were frozen. They were were not frozen, but they
38:37
Speaker 1: lived in the Arctic in a cave from like most
38:40
Speaker 1: of the nineteenth century until the nineteen sixties. To avoid
38:43
Speaker 1: a lot of horrible things. Um, they're like, well, the
38:47
Speaker 1: minions weren't involved with that because they were in the
38:49
Speaker 1: Arctic Circle at that time. They were busy with ice,
38:52
Speaker 1: so they get ice, they know ice. They ice each other.
38:57
Speaker 1: Probably remember when we used to ice each other and
39:01
Speaker 1: drink spear enough ices aristotles a simpler time. Wow, And
39:07
Speaker 1: that was also the Mike's Hard Lemonade era. It really was.
39:11
Speaker 1: We've gone through We've gone through so many phases of
39:14
Speaker 1: this show. We've grown up to. I know, we've really
39:18
Speaker 1: grown up together. I think it's nice. I'm drinking a
39:21
Speaker 1: saltzer right now. Are you joking? I'm drinking would never
39:26
Speaker 1: drink water. Oh my god, that's just because I'm sick.
39:31
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'm glad we are hydrating more healthfully.
39:36
Speaker 1: But okay, so I think I think the iceberg is
39:39
Speaker 1: an excellent answer, and let's go with that. Is May
39:42
Speaker 1: is a coward, and like the minions don't really vibe
39:45
Speaker 1: with that. They work for dinosaurs and grew. So I
39:49
Speaker 1: would say probably the iceberg is the right answer. As
39:53
Speaker 1: for Shreky in that here here's my thinking. Okay, I
39:59
Speaker 1: think cal Hockley gives off some intense lord far Quad
40:05
Speaker 1: vibes he is, Yes, yes, he is very far quad. Yes.
40:11
Speaker 1: But also I think Molly Brown it feels very shreky
40:15
Speaker 1: in to me. I feel like Fabrizio has some shreky
40:18
Speaker 1: in qualities due to his fake exaggerated accent. Um, and
40:24
Speaker 1: how shreki in is that Mike Meyer is certainly not Scottish,
40:27
Speaker 1: you know, certainly not, so there's that um. And then
40:31
Speaker 1: also I mean Rose Dowippycator, Fiona both kind of feisty redheads,
40:37
Speaker 1: you know, so that is a bit shreky in, very shreky.
40:41
Speaker 1: And I think Shrek and Fiona of different classes rich girl,
40:44
Speaker 1: poor guy shreky exactly makes you think holy crap. Basically,
40:53
Speaker 1: Shrek is an adaptation of Titanic. Are they ever on
40:57
Speaker 1: a boat? Is there a dragon and Titanic? Is there
41:00
Speaker 1: a donkey and Titanic? Yes? Yes and yes. Trying to
41:04
Speaker 1: bear this out, it's Pinocchio and Titanic. Um, I think
41:08
Speaker 1: there are enough. Yeah. I think Molly Brown definitely shreky
41:10
Speaker 1: and energy. I think the more exaggerated Titanic characters could
41:14
Speaker 1: very easily be in track, which is many of them.
41:17
Speaker 1: It's a very yeah. What's the what TV network. Their
41:22
Speaker 1: tagline is something like we know characters, or like you're
41:27
Speaker 1: mixing up TVs and t N t Kalin. It's characters welcome,
41:31
Speaker 1: that's TBS. We know drama, that's TNT. Oh my god,
41:38
Speaker 1: Oh good grief. Okay, so I guess I mean both
41:41
Speaker 1: apply to Titanic. Titanic nose drama and characters are welcome
41:45
Speaker 1: on the Titanic. We're holding two truths here. We've got
41:48
Speaker 1: TVs and TNT energy. Goodness, it's Titanic. I've a Titanic
41:54
Speaker 1: is on t ANT all the damn time, for sure.
41:57
Speaker 1: I would say that. Yeah, I would say Jack not
42:00
Speaker 1: very shreky in, but the dynamic between Jack and Rose
42:04
Speaker 1: has Shrek vibes to it. I feel like Rose do
42:08
Speaker 1: Itplicator is in a tower of the mind, I mean
42:12
Speaker 1: cerebral tower. She talks about how she's trapped in a
42:16
Speaker 1: metaphorical prison. The whole love triangle honestly is shreky in.
42:21
Speaker 1: Titanic is a very shreky in movie, is what we're
42:24
Speaker 1: concluding it is. It is, And the minions would work
42:27
Speaker 1: for the Iceberg, which is so funny. Oh can I
42:31
Speaker 1: read a text? I had a text exchange with my
42:33
Speaker 1: mom yesterday. That made me laugh so much because it's
42:35
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Uh and my my mom's
42:38
Speaker 1: second grade teacher reminder listeners. And I also, Minion piled
42:42
Speaker 1: her so hard this year that she's like, there's there's
42:46
Speaker 1: something going on in her head. It's not quite right.
42:48
Speaker 1: She had never seen a Minion movie. Took her to
42:50
Speaker 1: see Rise of gru in Orlando over the summer, and
42:53
Speaker 1: she's a new woman. She's got a new lease on life.
42:55
Speaker 1: So all her kids now are and she knows that
42:58
Speaker 1: Kevin's my faith. So she had her kids draw me
43:01
Speaker 1: some Christmas Kevin's here's one. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
43:06
Speaker 1: I know second graders know how to draw Kevin. He's
43:10
Speaker 1: their friend. But then she texted me, I told my
43:14
Speaker 1: kids this morning that you want to marry Kevin. Ha ha,
43:18
Speaker 1: And for the record, had not said, but I replied,
43:22
Speaker 1: I do. He's a compassionate leader. And she said exactly,
43:27
Speaker 1: We're Minion felt so hard. I love it, and her
43:32
Speaker 1: one of her students got her Kevin chia pet. But
43:36
Speaker 1: oh wait, do they have hippi have little strands of hair?
43:39
Speaker 1: But they're not hippie. Kevin planted Okay, We're gonna have
43:45
Speaker 1: to post some of these photos to them. It's so
43:49
Speaker 1: the minions, you know, Happy holidays to to them. Well,
43:53
Speaker 1: speaking of the minions, our next question, Oh yeah, that
43:58
Speaker 1: doesn't um take it away, Jamie. Oh, this is a
44:02
Speaker 1: question from Kelly favorite things you watched in two movies,
44:06
Speaker 1: TV docs, whatever? Also at least favorite. Um, Everything Everywhere
44:11
Speaker 1: is probably my favorite movie of the years. Same but
44:15
Speaker 1: but you got Rise of Group coming in hot right
44:18
Speaker 1: behind it. That's what I'm saying. That's why I saw
44:20
Speaker 1: Everything Everywhere three times in theaters. I saw a Group
44:24
Speaker 1: two times in theaters, but in two states, which I
44:27
Speaker 1: feel like isn't nothing. That's effort. It took. You got
44:30
Speaker 1: to put an effort for that, and I sawed it. Wait,
44:33
Speaker 1: I sawed at both city walks that's fucked up in
44:36
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and in Orlando. No kidding, I go to
44:40
Speaker 1: the Manon's house to watch that damn movie. Yeah. Those
44:44
Speaker 1: are my top two. Nice I will add to that,
44:48
Speaker 1: are are Are? Which kind of going back to the
44:53
Speaker 1: very first question, we answered as far as like perspective
44:56
Speaker 1: on film in general, if that has changed? Um, because
45:01
Speaker 1: the movie are are Are? While a flawless masterpiece. Um.
45:07
Speaker 1: If we were to cover it on the Backtel cast
45:10
Speaker 1: up well on the conversation about you know, the characterization
45:15
Speaker 1: of women in the movie, UM would be it's it's laughable,
45:19
Speaker 1: it's not very um And yet I love the movie
45:22
Speaker 1: so so much. It's complicated at the point being sometimes
45:28
Speaker 1: I just have to like take off my back dol
45:30
Speaker 1: goggles and I can still enjoy a movie. Sometimes I
45:34
Speaker 1: put them back on. You know, it's all about and honestly,
45:37
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this before, but if we're just
45:40
Speaker 1: like going to the movies to watch a movie, we
45:44
Speaker 1: don't necessary at least I don't want to speak for you, Jamie,
45:46
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily have my back dol goggles on
45:50
Speaker 1: or not in the same way that I would when
45:52
Speaker 1: I'm like unless it's like egregious, Like if it's egregious,
45:55
Speaker 1: then exactly can't not. But yeah, no, I I agree
45:58
Speaker 1: sometimes you just I think, honestly, the most this is
46:02
Speaker 1: not one of my favorite movies of the year by
46:04
Speaker 1: a long shot, but one of my favorite pieces of
46:08
Speaker 1: media this year is the Harry Stytles quote. I feel
46:10
Speaker 1: like it's so useful. It's the movie feels like like
46:15
Speaker 1: a movie movie and sometimes and now to transition into
46:18
Speaker 1: Nicole kidman and we need that, all of all of us,
46:22
Speaker 1: that indescribable feeling we get when the lights begin to
46:25
Speaker 1: dim and we go somewhere. Oh damn again, it's okay.
46:30
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna know the whole thing. Other movies
46:35
Speaker 1: I really liked this year, Turning Red and Pray, both bangers.
46:39
Speaker 1: Both have seen in multiple times. The Woman King I loved.
46:43
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it. Oh you gotta see The
46:45
Speaker 1: Woman King. Another one of my favorites was Marcel the
46:48
Speaker 1: Shell with Shoes On. I still haven't seen it. I
46:50
Speaker 1: gotta say, you little movie. At the time of this recording,
46:56
Speaker 1: we have yet to see Puss in Boots, but I
46:59
Speaker 1: think it's going to one of my favorite movies of
47:01
Speaker 1: the year. And talk about a shreky In movie, Oh,
47:04
Speaker 1: I I mean harder to get shreky in the net
47:07
Speaker 1: unless it's Shrek five, which I can't fucking wait for.
47:10
Speaker 1: Uh there's I'm looking at my AMC history so a
47:13
Speaker 1: documentary I really loved this year, and I think it
47:15
Speaker 1: will probably. I think it's like it's like made the
47:18
Speaker 1: Oscars short lists and stuff. But it made me cry.
47:20
Speaker 1: We talked about it on the Matreon because there was
47:22
Speaker 1: a guy behind me who was really rude about it.
47:24
Speaker 1: But I was crying, cry, crying fire of love about
47:28
Speaker 1: two vulcanologists who are married and spoiler alert, they tell
47:31
Speaker 1: you in the trailer they die in a volcano. Um
47:35
Speaker 1: But it's a really beautiful story and I would recommend
47:37
Speaker 1: watching it. I saw Nope twice. I had a good
47:40
Speaker 1: time at Nope. And then also, this is not a
47:44
Speaker 1: movie from this year, but I saw ET in IMEX
47:47
Speaker 1: this year and it was I was crying so much.
47:50
Speaker 1: It's such a I feel like I didn't really have
47:54
Speaker 1: I think this is like a micro generational thing too,
47:56
Speaker 1: but like I didn't have a ton of excite ment
48:00
Speaker 1: and love for ET as a kid, but watching it
48:03
Speaker 1: as an adult, oh boy, I really love it and
48:06
Speaker 1: it it delivered. I also enjoyed Crimes of the Future
48:10
Speaker 1: because I love body horror. Um. Oh, I didn't see
48:14
Speaker 1: that one, but every time I hear the title of
48:16
Speaker 1: that movie, I'm reminded of another movie called Needle in
48:19
Speaker 1: a Time Stack. Do you remember this? Oh? Yes, we
48:23
Speaker 1: had a hell of it time with Needle and a
48:26
Speaker 1: Time Stack. Did that movie come out do we know.
48:29
Speaker 1: I think so, but it was a blip because I
48:33
Speaker 1: and and speaking of amazing incredible movies that are awesome
48:38
Speaker 1: and perfect, Moonfall was one of my favorite movies of
48:42
Speaker 1: last year. Not because it's good, because it wasn't. But
48:45
Speaker 1: if you just want to watch a I Frankenstein level
48:51
Speaker 1: terrible movie, Moonfall is one to watch. You know what
48:55
Speaker 1: I liked. I liked Scream five. I liked five Cream.
48:58
Speaker 1: I thought that was a fun one. I'm trying to
49:01
Speaker 1: spread the love around genres. Sure, Barbarian I thought was
49:06
Speaker 1: pretty fun. We had some notes for it, but I
49:09
Speaker 1: thought Morbarian was like a really yeah, like a really
49:12
Speaker 1: well done movie. I saw it twice. Enjoyed Bodies Bodies, Bodies.
49:17
Speaker 1: I enjoyed UM. I wasn't wild about X, but I
49:21
Speaker 1: did enjoy Pearl a lot. Sure, I didn't see either
49:25
Speaker 1: of them. I had had a fun time. I will
49:27
Speaker 1: see the third one. As far as TV, we mentioned
49:31
Speaker 1: a few shows the Rock and Roll Abbott, Elementary, Rutherford Falls,
49:36
Speaker 1: also Reservation Dogs. I'll add to that list. Um. One
49:40
Speaker 1: of my favorite shows that came out I think this
49:43
Speaker 1: year is We Are Lady Parts. Watched it people that
49:48
Speaker 1: it's so good. I highly recommend everyone check out We
49:52
Speaker 1: Are Lady Parts. It's about a group of women in
49:57
Speaker 1: the UK, all Muslim women who are in a punk
50:01
Speaker 1: band and it's awesome. I gotta watch it. I've been
50:05
Speaker 1: enjoying the sex lives of college girls. Oh, I gotta
50:08
Speaker 1: watch that's a fun one. Um, I haven't been. I'm
50:12
Speaker 1: kind of behind on TV right now, honestly, but there
50:16
Speaker 1: was one. I mean, I I always stay up on
50:19
Speaker 1: what we do in the Shadows. Always a classic, always delivers,
50:23
Speaker 1: and you know, just for no reason, Like, there's some
50:26
Speaker 1: really good TV shows coming out next year, and I'm
50:28
Speaker 1: just going to throw out a couple of titles. Um,
50:30
Speaker 1: the fourth season of Star Trek Lower Decks is supposed
50:33
Speaker 1: to be like really amazing, and it's actually a really
50:37
Speaker 1: good show. And if you are not into Star Trek
50:41
Speaker 1: or like don't have a working knowledge and you're nervous
50:44
Speaker 1: about getting into the Star Trek Expanded universe, it's kind
50:48
Speaker 1: of a great show to start with. It's an adult
50:49
Speaker 1: animated comedy. But I guess that that's all I can
50:52
Speaker 1: really say about it. But I just like the first
50:54
Speaker 1: few seasons are good, but I just like think that
50:56
Speaker 1: the fourth season, something's gonna change, it's gonna be really special.
50:59
Speaker 1: I want if it's because like a writer joins the
51:02
Speaker 1: writer's room and really like elevates the show the particular writer.
51:07
Speaker 1: I would not say that I did that, but I
51:09
Speaker 1: had a really good time. You should watch it and
51:12
Speaker 1: Teenage Us in Asia. I just like love that room
51:15
Speaker 1: so much, and it's created and written by majority women,
51:21
Speaker 1: and it's so fun and you'll have you'll have a
51:25
Speaker 1: great time. It's on I think it's on HBO Max
51:27
Speaker 1: because it's an adult swimshow. Wow. As far as my
51:32
Speaker 1: least favorite things of this year, No Offense Till thor
51:36
Speaker 1: Love and Thunder, but I thought that was a turd.
51:40
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I didn't have fun at any
51:42
Speaker 1: Marvel movies this year. I was like, I'm excited for
51:46
Speaker 1: the New ant Man movie. I am genuinely excited for
51:49
Speaker 1: that because Michelle Fibers in it. Yeah, like the cast
51:53
Speaker 1: Rocks and Jeff Loveness wrote the movie and he's so funny,
51:56
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I believe in the New ant Man movie.
51:58
Speaker 1: I didn't have a great year with Marvel movies this year.
52:01
Speaker 1: I love like Sam Ramy directed the best movie of
52:04
Speaker 1: all time Spider Man too, but doctor Strange just like
52:07
Speaker 1: I was confused, I was tired. I was like, oh god,
52:12
Speaker 1: there's a lot of space rocks like you know, also
52:15
Speaker 1: Jurassic World dominions. If they had just had the courage
52:21
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to Sarah
52:24
Speaker 1: Marshall was like, it's just like never ceases to amaze
52:27
Speaker 1: me that the last Jurassic Park movie is mainly about
52:30
Speaker 1: locusts and not dinosaurs. Wild. I didn't see it was
52:35
Speaker 1: such a turd um. Yeah, so those are the ones
52:39
Speaker 1: at the bottom of my list. I saw MORBs as
52:42
Speaker 1: a joke. It wasn't worth it. Jared Letto was like
52:45
Speaker 1: Jared Letto was genuinely a criminalis bad person And then
52:48
Speaker 1: a movie I was let down by from a director
52:50
Speaker 1: I like, and I'm excited for his nose for out too,
52:53
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't like The Northman. It didn't
52:56
Speaker 1: do anything for me me either. I thought it was
52:58
Speaker 1: too violent. Whoa mom. That wasn't my I just thought
53:05
Speaker 1: it was like boring, and like Roberts is like not
53:09
Speaker 1: a boring filmmaker. So I was just kind of like
53:12
Speaker 1: they made the Vivich. He made the Vivich. He made
53:15
Speaker 1: the lighthouse. He makes like wild movies. So I don't know.
53:20
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed Bandtrees of Inn Sharon. I think I'm
53:23
Speaker 1: gonna think I'll say it a second time. Band Trees
53:25
Speaker 1: of Ed Sheeran. Yeah, that was one of the ones
53:27
Speaker 1: I liked. It made me want to go back to
53:30
Speaker 1: Ireland to visit my family. Oh my god, wait, I
53:33
Speaker 1: have a wild As we're winding down this episode, I
53:36
Speaker 1: have the weirdest story. I don't know if I told you,
53:38
Speaker 1: I tell you about the guy I met at the
53:40
Speaker 1: airport in Alaska who was like, we're related. No. So
53:46
Speaker 1: I was in the airport and I called up to
53:49
Speaker 1: the desk for some seating things. So they said my
53:51
Speaker 1: full name and I was walking back and then there
53:54
Speaker 1: was like an Irish guy and he was like, I
53:56
Speaker 1: can't do an Irish accent. I was about to go Australian.
53:59
Speaker 1: He was like, is your last name Loftis? I was
54:01
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he's like, my last name is Loftis
54:04
Speaker 1: and he's Irish and you know, I'm mostly Irish and
54:08
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so wild. And he's like,
54:10
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years older than me. And I was like, Oh,
54:12
Speaker 1: we're just having a conversation here. He's telling me about himself.
54:15
Speaker 1: I'm telling him about myself. The people at the desk,
54:19
Speaker 1: the Delta desk, they're loving it. They're like this is
54:22
Speaker 1: so interesting and like, yeah it is. This is actually awesome.
54:25
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh we should. Like he said like
54:28
Speaker 1: Loftus is a rare last name, which I have since checked.
54:31
Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually true. Um, but I was
54:34
Speaker 1: like he's from Ireland. I believe him, which is a
54:36
Speaker 1: weird instinct also, but I was just like he's like
54:40
Speaker 1: we might be distantly related, like give me your number
54:43
Speaker 1: and like I will blah blah blah blah blah. And
54:46
Speaker 1: then anyways, get on the plane. He immediately starts to
54:49
Speaker 1: texting me so much and then makes a joke about
54:53
Speaker 1: like what if we had sex, And I was like,
54:56
Speaker 1: never give a man your phone number, Jamie, wait, what
55:00
Speaker 1: what was the text? I received? And now like I
55:02
Speaker 1: haven't blocked his number because I love to choose violence.
55:07
Speaker 1: But he was going to Ireland and like I talked
55:11
Speaker 1: to my dad for a couple like literally two minutes
55:13
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, we're definitely not related to that guy.
55:16
Speaker 1: But glad you enjoyed the airport. So he was like, hey,
55:22
Speaker 1: we're probably related. Should we have sex? That really that
55:26
Speaker 1: is exactly what he was like, because okay, wait no,
55:31
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read the text. Um, this is a
55:34
Speaker 1: few texts down. It starts very friendly. He's like, so
55:36
Speaker 1: cool to meet you, blah blah blah. I was like, yeah,
55:38
Speaker 1: that was really awesome, enjoy enjoy the flight. And he's like,
55:40
Speaker 1: there's a seat next to me. And I didn't reply um,
55:43
Speaker 1: but then he said, you have the culture in you.
55:46
Speaker 1: You are female version of me, less facial hair, and
55:49
Speaker 1: I was like, m texts are getting weird, but I
55:52
Speaker 1: reply just a little ha ha. The Loftiest brand is
55:55
Speaker 1: strong trying to keep things friendly. He replies, would make
55:59
Speaker 1: an awkward morning after waking up in same bed than
56:02
Speaker 1: asking names dot dot dot incest l O L. He
56:05
Speaker 1: immediately applies l O L again. He replies again, how
56:10
Speaker 1: cool to meet you. I'm so happy. It's like, okay,
56:14
Speaker 1: I bet his name isn't even loftist. He just like
56:17
Speaker 1: goes up to people and like uses that as a
56:20
Speaker 1: pickup line and then I don't. It's like an excuse
56:23
Speaker 1: to get numbers from women. I don't know. I mean
56:27
Speaker 1: he has been WhatsApp messaging me pictures of horses in
56:33
Speaker 1: Ireland for weeks. It's like it's the kind of thing
56:37
Speaker 1: where it's like, it's not that joke was I should
56:41
Speaker 1: have blocked him, but I am choosing violence. I'm like,
56:44
Speaker 1: I wonder how many pictures of horses I'm going to
56:46
Speaker 1: get um and then if there's a dick pick, then
56:49
Speaker 1: I'll block him. Okay. I wouldn't recommend this approach for
56:52
Speaker 1: literally anyone else or really myself, but when I saw
56:56
Speaker 1: I was like fancies in shared, which is like it
57:01
Speaker 1: isn't but I was like Irish accent. Anyways, it made
57:04
Speaker 1: me want to visit Ireland. And then meeting that guy
57:07
Speaker 1: maybe not want to visit Ireland. So I kind of
57:10
Speaker 1: been on this whole challenging journey with my homelands. What
57:12
Speaker 1: a roller coaster, you know. The final question, um a
57:19
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted to know was what movies are
57:22
Speaker 1: we most excited for coming out? In Barbie Barbie and
57:27
Speaker 1: and a lot of people mentioned Barbie. Um, my most
57:31
Speaker 1: anticipated is Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. Yes, yes,
57:35
Speaker 1: very excited for that. Cocaine Bear is right there at
57:39
Speaker 1: the top of my list. Elizabeth Banks is about to
57:42
Speaker 1: sweep the Oscars. I'm excited for the new Magic Mike,
57:47
Speaker 1: Magic Mike's Last Ants. I am excited for Aunt Man.
57:50
Speaker 1: That'll be fun. Uh huh um mad Max the Wasteland.
57:54
Speaker 1: I believe it's slated to come out in Oh Wow.
57:58
Speaker 1: I an't excited for that Cocaine Bear. Oh speaking of
58:02
Speaker 1: scary bears, not Paddington. I don't know when Paddington three
58:06
Speaker 1: is coming out, and it better not be before I
58:08
Speaker 1: get cast in it. But Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey,
58:13
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited for. I'm not excited for that. I
58:16
Speaker 1: can't even really describe why my body rejects that concept.
58:21
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it and you're like, fuck, you have seen Megan.
58:26
Speaker 1: We have to Oh my god, we will be seeing Megan.
58:29
Speaker 1: Wh'ere to start the year strong with Megan? I feel
58:31
Speaker 1: like that's actually a strong um madrean contender, Like, yeah,
58:36
Speaker 1: I want to see Wonka only because I think it's
58:39
Speaker 1: going to be horrible. What if Wonka is good? But
58:42
Speaker 1: like there's no way, but what if it's are we
58:45
Speaker 1: going to have to cover Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
58:48
Speaker 1: factory when that comes out, perhaps perhaps we will. And
58:51
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the new scream because I'm just like,
58:53
Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm back, I'm in six six cream, six cream. Yeah,
58:57
Speaker 1: they should just stylize there's five cream and others six
59:00
Speaker 1: crew and now let's add another cream on the pile
59:03
Speaker 1: while we're at it. I think those are the ones
59:06
Speaker 1: that I'm generally excited for it. But I am, I've
59:08
Speaker 1: really I'm I'm Barbie puilt, I'm really excited for Did
59:12
Speaker 1: you see the teaser trailer? I don't actually think I've
59:15
Speaker 1: seen it yet. I've seen a lot of the like
59:16
Speaker 1: onset photos the teaser trailer. I like, need to watch
59:20
Speaker 1: it again. But I'm like, oh, she's she's doing something here.
59:24
Speaker 1: It's not just Barbie and Ken. She's doing what is
59:29
Speaker 1: she up to? And then you're just like, you know,
59:31
Speaker 1: Searcher running women, women women. So I am, I'm really
59:37
Speaker 1: interested to see that. I'm sure there's ore's there's like
59:41
Speaker 1: independent releases that I am a d for Brady obviously,
59:44
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But yes, the Horny Jane Fonda movie, Yes,
59:47
Speaker 1: I will see that. Obviously, I always see the Horny
59:50
Speaker 1: I got, I got kicked out of book Club. I
59:53
Speaker 1: got funked up at book Club and I was cheering
59:56
Speaker 1: too much. The only time I've ever been kicked out
59:59
Speaker 1: of a movie. Yeah, you were there. You're not comfortable.
1:00:03
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a simpler time. Yeah. Well, so that
1:00:07
Speaker 1: concludes our Q and a episode for this year. Thank
1:00:12
Speaker 1: you listeners for all your support, and I would hey, hey, hey,
1:00:16
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1:00:20
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1:00:24
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1:00:28
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1:00:31
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1:00:35
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1:00:39
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1:00:43
Speaker 1: looking to to hear from you. We love you, and
1:00:47
Speaker 1: um I'm really looking forward to we have some we
1:00:51
Speaker 1: have some fun plans in store for you this year.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: We're starting the year with our tour um So, if
1:00:59
Speaker 1: you made it to the to the episode neilive on
1:01:01
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1:01:05
Speaker 1: I might add in Los Angeles on January we're doing
1:01:10
Speaker 1: a Goofy movie then We're going up to San Francisco
1:01:12
Speaker 1: on February first to do George of the Jungle, and
1:01:16
Speaker 1: then we're going up to Portland's Oregon on the second,
1:01:19
Speaker 1: doing two shows. One is The Goonies with Sarah Marshall,
1:01:22
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1:01:25
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1:01:28
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1:01:53
Speaker 1: it's January, and that means only one thing. The Pinocchio Wars,
1:01:59
Speaker 1: Oh God covering look the two Pinocchios from Bockle the
1:02:04
Speaker 1: fuck in. It's gonna be bloody, it's gonna be brutal.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: Caitlin and my friendship might faull apart, might not survive
1:02:16
Speaker 1: because what you don't know is that Caitlin and I
1:02:19
Speaker 1: have both been drafted and not to the same side
1:02:22
Speaker 1: of the war. Wow, yeah, my goodness. Yeah, so stay
1:02:26
Speaker 1: tuned a bit of R R R energy, yeah in
1:02:32
Speaker 1: this war, but our friendship may say, hey, win the day.
1:02:35
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And if you haven't seen R R R,
1:02:38
Speaker 1: you gotta watch it. But anyway, thank you for listening
1:02:43
Speaker 1: and we'll be back next week with a regularly scheduled programming. Wait,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: let's on the back dock. Okay, um, as as as
1:02:55
Speaker 1: my husband Kevin would say, poopie, poopie below and poopie
1:03:03
Speaker 1: that's famous Beatles song. Okay, bye bye,