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Episode #102: GAPS Diet & Disease Reversal with Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: And the planet does belong to microbes.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't belong to us.
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SPEAKER_00: It belongs to the microbes.
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SPEAKER_00: The only way to live in peace with them is harmony.
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SPEAKER_00: Problem is, human beings are very good at creating disharmony, imbalance in nature.
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SPEAKER_00: Every time you take antibiotics, you kill off a bunch of microbes, and the balance is gone.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi, everyone, to another Beyond Labels podcast with your farmer Joel Salatin.
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SPEAKER_02: That would be me and your favorite researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Cena McColl.
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SPEAKER_02: Today we are really, really excited to have a very special guest on, who I'm sure for many of you would be a familiar name, especially if you have ever heard of the West and A.
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SPEAKER_02: Price Foundation and the work of this nutritional um uh density uh throughout the world.
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SPEAKER_02: And her name is Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Natasha Campbell McBride.
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SPEAKER_02: She's coming to us.
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SPEAKER_02: We're doing this interview.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, we're here in the U.S., she's in uh Great Britain or the UK.
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SPEAKER_02: Um they get kind of funny about how they differentiate England, UK, and Great Britain.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'll I'll let I'll let Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Natasha uh pull that out.
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SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, when she visited our farm several years ago, we just had such a delightful time.
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SPEAKER_02: And of course, I've watched her work forever.
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SPEAKER_02: We've had many customers here at the farm that are working with her gaps diet.
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SPEAKER_02: That's kind of her her trade name, trademark um uh contribution.
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SPEAKER_02: And many people have seen gut health uh um uh healed through her work.
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SPEAKER_02: And so uh we can't be more happy with having her on and uh and and and seeing where she's going right now with her research.
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SPEAKER_02: So, Cena, if you'll want to uh give a little bit of her bio for maybe a few, maybe the the handful of folks who've never heard of uh Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Natasha here uh on our podcast, and uh then let's go for it.
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SPEAKER_01: That sounds great.
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SPEAKER_01: So thank you, Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: Her bio, as you can imagine, is quite extensive.
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SPEAKER_01: You can you can read the full bio on her website, gaps.me.
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SPEAKER_01: But just in for brevity, Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Campbell McBride is the creator of the GAPS concept and the gaps diet.
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SPEAKER_01: She graduated with honors as a medical doctor in 1984 in Russia.
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SPEAKER_01: And in the following year, she gained postgraduate degrees in neurology and human nutrition.
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SPEAKER_01: She's the author of several books, including Gut and Psychology Syndrome: Natural Treatment of Autism, ADHD, dyslexia, depression, and schizophrenia, vegetarianism explained, making an informed decision, put your heart in your mouth, what really is heart disease, and what can we do to prevent and even reverse it?
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SPEAKER_01: Gut and Physiology Syndrome, natural treatment for allergies, autoimmune illness, arthritis, gut problems, fatigue, hormonal problems, neurological diseases, and more.
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SPEAKER_01: She is also an organic regenerative farmer and a popular keynote speaker at many professional conferences worldwide.
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SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Campbell McBride, welcome to Beyond Labels.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for inviting me.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm delighted to be here and I'm delighted to see Joel and you, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's uh I hope, I hope uh we have a large audience here as well.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we love that you're here, and I'm sure most people have heard of the GAPS diet.
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SPEAKER_01: But for those who haven't, let's start there.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you explain to us just in brevity what is the Gaps diet and how did you create that protocol?
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SPEAKER_00: Gaps diet and Gaps concept has been around for more than 20 years now.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't believe how time flies.
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SPEAKER_00: And it has become a global phenomenon.
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SPEAKER_00: It stands for gut and psychology syndrome and gut and physiology syndrome, both abbreviate to the same gaps in the English language.
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SPEAKER_00: And what we're talking about here, we're talking about a person who has abnormal microbial community living in their body.
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SPEAKER_00: Many people now understand, and the modern science is very busy explaining this now to everybody, that your body is a microbial community.
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SPEAKER_00: There are more microbes in you than there are human cells.
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SPEAKER_00: And these microbes live everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got microbes in your blood, in your heart, in your lungs, in your brain, in your joints, in your muscles, in your bones, everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: But the biggest community of microbes lives in your digestive system.
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SPEAKER_00: And it is a highly organized microbial community, highly balanced and harmonious.
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SPEAKER_00: Every microbe is present in there.
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SPEAKER_00: There's fungi, there, bacteria, viruses, protozoa, kill kinds of little creatures, they all should be there because they all fulfill certain functions for us and they control each other.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't allow each other to get out of control.
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SPEAKER_00: Because any microbe in the world can cause trouble in your body.
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SPEAKER_00: And the only way to live with microbes on this beautiful planet of ours, and the planet does belong to microbes, it doesn't belong to us, it belongs to the microbes.
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SPEAKER_00: And the only way to live in peace with them is harmony, balance.
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SPEAKER_00: Problem is, human beings are very good at creating disharmony, imbalance in nature.
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SPEAKER_00: Every time you take antibiotics, you kill off a bunch of microbes.
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SPEAKER_00: No antibiotic can kill everything, it only kills a narrow spectrum of particular microbes in your body, starting in your digestive system and then everywhere else in your body, and the balance is gone.
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SPEAKER_00: These microbes used to control a whole spectrum of other microbes, and suddenly all those other microbes that are left are out of control.
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SPEAKER_00: They overgrow very quickly, and microbes grow very fast.
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SPEAKER_00: They produce trillions of babies per hour.
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SPEAKER_00: So very quickly, you have imbalance disharmony.
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SPEAKER_00: And as a result, the microbes that used to be perfectly good for you as part of a balanced community become pathogenic.
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SPEAKER_00: Any microbe has an ability to cause disease if it is out of balance with everything else.
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SPEAKER_00: The trouble is today people are getting antibiotics not only from the doctor, they are eating antibiotics for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and in between.
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SPEAKER_00: Because supermarkets are stocked by industrial agriculture, and everything you buy in a supermarket is full of antibiotic-like chemicals because majority of agricultural chemicals are antibiotics in their nature.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the most widely used today is called glyphosate.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a wonderful book written about it.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of information about glyphosate.
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SPEAKER_00: It is a broad spectrum antibiotic, extremely damaging to every microbial community in nature.
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SPEAKER_00: So, majority, if probably 100% of the Western population in particular, and any other industrialized country in the world, have gaps from my point of view.
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SPEAKER_00: They have abnormal microbial community living in their bodies.
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SPEAKER_00: This microbial community in your gut is the most important part of you.
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SPEAKER_00: It is the majority of the cells in your body.
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SPEAKER_00: And when you eat food, they feast on that food, they convert it into, uh they take a huge part in digesting that food appropriately.
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SPEAKER_00: And if that microbial community is abnormal and turned pathogenic, turned rogue, they turn your food into millions of poisonous chemicals for you.
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SPEAKER_00: At the same time, they damage the integrity of your gut wall, making it porous and leaky.
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SPEAKER_00: Holes develop in your gut wall, literally.
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SPEAKER_00: Your gut wall becomes like a sieve.
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SPEAKER_00: So all these poisonous chemicals absorb into your bloodstream, into your lymph, get distributed around the body.
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SPEAKER_00: Wherever they get to, they cause disease.
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SPEAKER_00: If they get into your brain, they will cause mental illness.
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SPEAKER_00: And if it happens in a small child, they will cause a learning disability.
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SPEAKER_00: Autism, ADHD, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, dyslexia, dyspraxia, oppositional defiant disorder, and a whole list of other problems.
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SPEAKER_00: If it happens in an adult, the adult will develop a mental illness.
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SPEAKER_00: We have an absolute epidemic of mental illness in the Western world.
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SPEAKER_00: And every year it's getting worse and worse.
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SPEAKER_00: All of those people are gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: The real cause of the disorder is gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: Abnormal microbial community in your body, damaged leaky, porous uh gut wall, and food is poisoning you as a result.
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SPEAKER_00: If these toxins get into any other organ in the body, into your lungs, into your heart, into your skin, joints, other organs, they will cause physical diseases.
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SPEAKER_00: And these I've described in the book Gut and Physiology Syndrome.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a large blue book, which is the latest that came out in 2020.
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SPEAKER_00: It's quite thick.
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SPEAKER_00: And that one explains where autoimmunity comes from.
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SPEAKER_00: Every autoimmune disease is gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: Multiple sclerosis, lupus, hashimoto, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, you know, any any chronic uh any allergy, all allergies are gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: Asthma, eczema, hay fever, atrial fibrillation is gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: Every form of arthritis, any skin disease, psoriasis, eczema, chronic cystitis, nephropathy, neurological illnesses, hormonal abnormalities.
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SPEAKER_00: We live in a world now with increasing hormonal abnormalities in people, particularly younger people.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is shaking now the whole world.
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SPEAKER_00: There are lots of young people with abnormal hormonal balance in their bodies.
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SPEAKER_00: They are gapsters, these people.
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SPEAKER_00: This is gaps.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is what gaps is.
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SPEAKER_00: If you ask any microbiologist, what is the most powerful influence on the microbial community in nature?
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SPEAKER_00: The answer immediately will be food.
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SPEAKER_00: Food.
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SPEAKER_00: You change the food supply to a microbial community in a petri dish, in a lab, or in any natural environment, everything will change within ours.
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SPEAKER_00: Certain species of microbes will disappear, other species will appear out of nowhere, and the whole microbial community will change.
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SPEAKER_00: Because your body is a microbial community, and the biggest part of it is in the digestive system, because that's where we place our food.
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SPEAKER_00: Food is the most powerful medicine for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing can come close to food in its power on your health and on your disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So whenever you get a chronic illness or an illness that is more acute, the first thing you need to think about is changing what you eat, changing your food supply.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is what GAPS diet is designed for.
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SPEAKER_00: It has been designed to rebalance your microbial community, to drive out all those pathogenic microbes, bring harmony back, bring balance back.
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SPEAKER_00: At the same time, it heals and seals your gut wall.
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SPEAKER_00: It closes all those holes in your gut wall.
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SPEAKER_00: So food starts absorbing digested.
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SPEAKER_00: Because in a person with damaged gut wall, food doesn't have a chance to be digested properly before it absorbs.
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SPEAKER_00: It absorbs undigested.
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SPEAKER_00: Then the immune system finds these bits of food in your blood, looks at them and says, You know food, I don't recognize you, and attacks them.
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SPEAKER_00: And that attack manifests itself as a food allergy or intolerance or a histamine reaction.
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SPEAKER_00: And that can happen any moment for about two weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: This this situation can play out for two weeks, can be delayed this reaction.
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SPEAKER_00: And it can happen with any symptom at all.
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SPEAKER_00: You can one person can get a panic attack, another person will have a low blood pressure or a high blood pressure, another person will have a atrial fibrillation or a fatigue or a skin rush or an asthma attack or something else.
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SPEAKER_00: Any kind of symptom can be the result of this food intolerance, of undigested food getting in into your body.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what we do with the GAPS diet, with the GAPS protocol, we build you a new shiny gut wall without any holes in it.
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SPEAKER_00: So food starts digesting properly before it absorbs.
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SPEAKER_00: And as a result, your allergies and intolerances disappear one by one.
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SPEAKER_00: We have lots and lots of testimonies, and we have millions of people around the world who are using the GAPS nutritional protocol for healing from chronic disease.
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SPEAKER_00: Every chronic disease responds to GAPS.
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SPEAKER_00: A few years ago, I could not say this, I could not make this statement.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I'm making this statement with absolute certainty, because there is no chronic disease that does not respond to this protocol.
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SPEAKER_00: Your body is a microbial community.
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SPEAKER_00: If you put the microbial community right, if you rebalance it, all kinds of chronic illnesses disappear, including cancer and including genetic conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: I now have a plethora of young children and babies coming to me who were diagnosed with a genetic condition, where the doctors found some fault with some gene somewhere or other, and they say, Well, that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing you can do with this situation.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we have epigenetics, we have a science of epigenetics which tells us that genes are not our destiny, that we are all born with a full choice of genetics to develop cancer, to develop multiple sclerosis, to develop rheumatoid arthritis, autism, or anything you like.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's the environment that you create inside your body and outside your body that chooses which genes are going to play out and which genes will sleep forever, never show their faces.
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SPEAKER_00: So by changing your diet, by going on the GAPS diet, you are choosing your genetics.
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SPEAKER_00: You're sending those genes that were causing this genetic disorder in your child to sleep forever, and you're waking up genes for good health.
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SPEAKER_00: And as a result, symptoms disappear and the person is recovering.
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SPEAKER_00: The person recovers.
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SPEAKER_00: So there is no chronic disease that doesn't respond to GAPS protocol.
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SPEAKER_00: And I encourage everybody who has any health issues, health problems, whether it's mental or physical, have a look in this direction.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: I you know, I I just uh I want to I want to stop and take a breath.
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SPEAKER_02: Um that is such a um I'm not sure I've ever heard such a profound and and precient um opening monologue for something.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh and so so yes, so now I think everybody's um excitement is peaked and now wants to know Cena, correct me if I'm wrong, what is so what is the GAPS protocol?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean that's the obvious next that's the obvious next question.
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SPEAKER_00: Gaps protocol is a program, but the core of it is the diet.
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SPEAKER_00: Remember, your body is a microbial community, and the most powerful influence on any microbial community is food.
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SPEAKER_00: Change your food, you will change everything in your body.
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SPEAKER_00: The GAPS diet is based on traditional knowledge from all over the world.
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SPEAKER_00: Traditional diets from all over the world, we remove all the foods that are difficult to digest.
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SPEAKER_00: The most difficult to digest things on the planet are grains, beans, starch, starchy things such as potato and potato family.
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SPEAKER_00: And all processed foods are removed because these are not food.
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SPEAKER_00: They should not be called with the noble word food.
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SPEAKER_00: All processed, industrially processed technocratic things such as sugar and uh breakfast cereals and soft drinks and uh soya, soy, western soy products, and all sorts of other things, vegetable oils and all sorts of other things.
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SPEAKER_00: We buy everything in the shape and form that Mother Nature made it.
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SPEAKER_00: So if a meat, it's a piece of animal with a bone in the middle, the skin on top of it is a poultry or a uh a pork, um, with all the arteries, veins, the muscle, the fat, the ligaments, the connective tissue, everything's in there.
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SPEAKER_00: That is what we buy.
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SPEAKER_00: If it is fish, we buy wild fish.
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SPEAKER_00: We buy dirty vegetables, we buy ripe fruit, and preferably from your own garden or your neighbor's garden or something that ripened on the fruit, on the tree or on the bush.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh we source proper dairy, real dairy, not Frankenstein dairy, because all dairy, practically 100% in the supermarkets is Frankenstein dairy.
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SPEAKER_00: It comes from cows that have been developed in laboratories.
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SPEAKER_00: These are unnatural animals that don't exist in nature.
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SPEAKER_00: And the Frankenstein's they sick, these animals, they have a plethora of illnesses because they cannot live in this world, they're artificial.
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SPEAKER_00: And their milk is a Frankenstein milk.
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SPEAKER_00: And majority of dairy products in the world, in supermarkets, particularly in the Western world, are Frankenstein dairy.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a stack full of papers showing that this dairy causes every disease in the world, including cancer, infertility, allergies, autoimmune illnesses, anything, mental illness, anything at all.
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SPEAKER_00: Because this is not natural dairy.
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SPEAKER_00: What we want, we see we find real cows that Mother Nature created, and these cows need to be on pasture, real pasture, not some plowed field which was seeded with um hybrid monoculture sprayed with chemicals and then cut and holed into a prison where the animals are kept and fed to them.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what grass-fed beef in the supermarkets is.
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SPEAKER_00: The label grass-fed is a lie because these animals never see pasture.
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SPEAKER_00: They live in a prison, and the farmer goes and plows the fields, grows an artificial monoculture, sprays it with chemicals, cuts it, brings it to that prison, feeds it to the cows, and uh, then he's not allowed to call his meat grass-fed.
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SPEAKER_00: Generally speaking, what we need to understand is that we have to abandon supermarkets.
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SPEAKER_00: If we want health, we have to abandon supermarkets.
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SPEAKER_00: What you're buying in a supermarket, you're buying disease.
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SPEAKER_00: We have to find farmers, real farmers.
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SPEAKER_00: The first place for many people living in the cities is to go to the farmer's market on the weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: Meet these farmers, get their contact details, ask them, can I visit your farm?
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SPEAKER_00: A good farmer will be delighted to welcome you to his farm.
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SPEAKER_00: Because he's got nothing to hide.
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SPEAKER_00: He'll be delighted to show him, to show you your his fields, his animals, his chickens, his gardens, uh, whatever it is he's producing, and find these people and start buying exclusively from these people.
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SPEAKER_00: Because a face-to-face contact with a human being, you can look in the eye of this person and you can feel as a human being on a gut level, on the intuitive level, that this is a good man, you can trust him.
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SPEAKER_00: That this man loves his land, loves his animals, loves his birds, loves his soil.
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SPEAKER_00: So his food, the meat and the eggs and the milk and the vegetables from him will be full of love.
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SPEAKER_00: Because food is information.
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SPEAKER_00: What information are you buying in a supermarket?
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SPEAKER_00: You're buying information of greed, abuse, disease, and suffering.
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SPEAKER_00: How can that information give you good health?
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SPEAKER_00: When you buy food from a proper organic farmer such as Joel, you are buying love.
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SPEAKER_00: The food carries information of love, and that will bring you healing.
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SPEAKER_00: Only love, only the energy of love can bring you healing.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is the kind of food that we source for the for the Gaps community.
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SPEAKER_00: The Gaps diet is quite complex, it has several variations for different clinical situations in people.
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SPEAKER_00: So please read my books to understand that in detail.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so I want to go deeper just a little bit into what you're saying that you know, food uh from something like Joel, for instance, carries love.
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SPEAKER_01: So are you talking about specifically it's carrying a vibrational frequency of love?
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: We have a science called biophysics, it's a fascinating science.
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SPEAKER_00: What it studies, this science, it studies the energy behind everything physical in this world and how this energy interacts with other energies and how it works.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything is energy in this world.
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SPEAKER_00: Matter, the solid stuff that we can touch and eat, is solidified energy.
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SPEAKER_00: And energy always has vibration, it's a vibration, it's all vibrating, the whole world is jittering and vibrating, and we are vibrating and jittering.
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SPEAKER_00: And vibration has a frequency to it, and every frequency carries a particular character.
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SPEAKER_00: Greed has a certain frequency, lies have certain frequency, anger, resentment, abuse has a certain frequency.
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SPEAKER_00: When you put that frequency into your body, you create the same frequency in your body.
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SPEAKER_00: That cannot possibly bring you any good health or any good feelings or good emotions or anything else at all.
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SPEAKER_00: So when we eat food, we are eating energy, we are eating information, we are eating vibration.
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SPEAKER_00: And what frequency that vibration has is very important to know.
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SPEAKER_00: That is why sourcing your food correctly from the good people, good farmers, is vital if you want good health in your family and peace and harmony in your family.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, and some people are probably familiar with that concept through.
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SPEAKER_01: Um homeopathy, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That's also vibrational frequencies.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, now what I think is interesting is that you've don't you you're diving into this whole field of the vibrational frequencies of the foods, and now the disease also has a vibrational frequency, right?
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SPEAKER_01: We see this even measured in the scientific literature that you will have a lower vibrational frequency when there is, for instance, a diseased uh tissue.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: And so they've done experiments where they've shown that, for instance, laughter, right?
22:35
SPEAKER_01: That we say laughter truly is medicine because it raises the vibrational frequency.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: Now, can you speak to how the microbial community, say in your gastrointestinal tract, changes when you do things like laugh?
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SPEAKER_01: Like so you're not in a stress state when you're in more of a joyful, a gratitude, you know, state of maybe love or what we would call the fruits of the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: There is a big revolution going on in microbiology right now, and it is called pleomorphism.
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SPEAKER_00: From two words, pleos is many morphism, morph is is a form, many forms basically.
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SPEAKER_00: What it is that we don't have specific microbes in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: Every microbe can turn into another microbe.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what we're finding out.
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SPEAKER_00: Because microbes have a free market of genetics.
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SPEAKER_00: They throw off genetics into the into the environment and they pick up other genetics.
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SPEAKER_00: And how do they make that decision which genetic to pick up and which ones throw away, you know, and which form then to turn into?
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SPEAKER_00: Because what we find, viruses can turn into bacteria, bacteria can turn into fungi, fungi can turn into viruses, and or they can turn into bacteria, and all of this is in a complete flux and in a complete change all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And all of it happens at the command of the frequency of vibration of your body.
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SPEAKER_00: If your body, if your whole body, your whole being is vibrating at a high level, all of your microbes they might be very pathogenic sitting there in your body, very pathogenic.
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SPEAKER_00: They will all have to um pull up to that frequency of vibration.
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SPEAKER_00: Your whole body, everything, your cells, your tissues, everything will have to come up that level.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: So the pathogens then will turn into beneficial microbes.
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SPEAKER_00: And the whole microbial community then alters itself, transforms itself to vibrate at that frequency.
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SPEAKER_00: So food, the frequency of food that you put into your body is very important.
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SPEAKER_00: The frequency of water, your emotions, your thoughts, your attitude to life, your um your your your whole sort of purpose that you you have in life, your motivations are very important because they are all charged with a particular frequency, and they impose that frequency on your body and force your microbial community and your cells and your organs and your tissues to adopt that frequency.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if you can tell.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm tearing up over here.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: This is like Christmas morning for me, because I rarely find anybody who speaks my language like, and you do.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, you get it.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Um so so it just just imagine, just imagine, you know, the world, the world I I I can't I can't help but at this juncture, the World Economic Forum, you know, Klaus Schwab and company, um, even uh, you know, Jay, uh the gorilla, the gorilla researcher, uh Dr.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Jane Goodall, you know, they have all gone on a public record that we need to eliminate 94% of the world population.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: We need to drop it to about 600 million people, um, uh certainly under a billion people.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: And and and just just think of the kind of frequency that comes out of a person who thinks that 94% of the world population needs to be exterminated in order to in order for humanity to survive.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: The the I mean, uh, you know, uh a videographer or or uh whatever, a cartoonist would capture whatever, you know, daggers or atomic bombs or whatever came coming out of the eyeballs.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh I I just can't imagine the kind of psyche, the kind of of psyche that comes out of a mentality that um you know that that assumes that 94% of us need to be exterminated.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: That's that that that's a powerful negative vibe.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's the the frequency that is determining global policy, that's determining global, you know, agendas.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's powerful, isn't it, Dr.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Natasha?
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, the thing is, you see, they are in the minority, these people.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, let's use the right word, you know, they're just sad souls.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: They're sad, low vibrational um uh souls which live in in a very, very sad, sad state and sad world.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Our planet can take hundred times more humans than there are now.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: If those humans transform themselves, if they start growing their own food, if they express love and joy and care and harmony, and if they help each other, and if they uh you know just just live as a proper human being from capital human being, proper man, you know, proper men and women in this world.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: But what these sad souls think that you know every one of us should live like Bill Gates, but every one of us wants to be a billionaire.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: If every human being on the planet wants to live like Bill Gates, no planet will be enough for people like that.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: That's correct, it's too small for one Bill Gates, because their greed is never-ending, no matter how much they get, they want more, they're voracious and then never ending.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: They can consume hundreds of planets, destroy them completely, and it still won't be enough for these people.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: So, no, no, no, no.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: From that point of view, of course, you know, one person is too much for our planet, but we are in the majority, and at the end of the day, you know, what we need to understand, and this is a uh philosophical concept coming from ancient times, from every wise philosopher through through the ages, that this is an upside-down world.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Everything that's looks and feels like they're above us, these political powers, governments, international organizations, banks, police, what have you, they're actually below us.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: We are at the top, the grassroots are at the top.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: We, the people, the majority of people on this planet, we are the grassroots, and we are at the top because our vibrational level is the highest.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: We vibrate kindness, we love children, we want peace, we want to have family, we want to have good education, we want to love our neighbors, we want to live like a proper human being, not some evil Bill Gates or somebody else.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, those creatures are very, very low.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: They are lowly, lowly creatures.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: And the the spiritual teachers are telling us that they can't rise above their level of vibration, they can't reach us.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: As long as we vibrate high and we create our own reality on that high level, they cannot reach us, they cannot touch us because they cannot rise above their low level of vibration.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: We can come down to their level, so they're very crafty to create all sorts of lies through the media that they've created to bring us down from our high level, down to their level.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: And when we do that, then they get us.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but as long as we stay high up at the grassroots levels on our high level of vibration, then they can't touch us, they cannot rise to our level, basically.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: And what we need to understand is that we are human beings, we are powerful creatures, yes, we are mighty creatures because every one of us creates our own reality, and we create it with our thoughts, our emotions and the words, particularly if you verbalize that thought and the emotion that you put into those words, um is very, very, very, very powerful.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: It creates your reality.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: So if you keep your thoughts high, filled with love, filled with joy, if you keep your words filled with love and joy and kindness, and if you know you just abandon all that quagmaya below you, all that cesspool below you, don't even look at them.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Create an alternative, create your own reality, your own world, which they don't even understand and can't conceive.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: They can't touch you.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's my position.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's great.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: That's wonderful.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: Cena, Cena, we have about 10 minutes left, and I know you want to get to some of these uh the newest studies, the newest material uh to come here.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: So why don't you you guide us here the next uh 10 minutes and um and uh we'll we'll see where we can get in the next 10 minutes.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: I know we need to have you on for like a whole week, Dr.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Campbell.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so one thing I wanted to touch on is that I don't think a lot of people know this.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, you've you have a nonprofit research company called the Gaps Science Foundation, and you are now working on your fourth study getting published.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Can you we've published we've published four studies already in peer reviewed journals?
31:41
SPEAKER_00: What we're doing, it's a charity, so we we rely on donations, and uh what we're doing at the moment, we are gathering case studies, we're analyzing them, and we're publishing them because case studies are very popular very powerful.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: They're powerful for clinicians, they're powerful for people who work with real patients on on a daily basis to see that there was a group of patients with Crohn's disease, severe Crohn's disease, and they've recovered.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: And there was a group of patients with uh tourette and they've recovered, and there's a group of patients with autism, and they've recovered.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: So that's what we're doing at the moment.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: When we've got enough funds, we'll be doing prospective studies as well, and that's what they, you know, the scientists and the scientifically minded community demand.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they're not in the majority.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: Majority are the clinicians, the doctors who work on a daily basis with good people who try to help patients.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: And case studies is is the most powerful tool to um educate those people.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: So we're basically putting the gaps concept on a scientific basis so these people can accept us.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a fantastic strategy.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, because they do value the peer-reviewed scientific literature, right, more than any other resource.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, now have you worked with any cases of Down syndrome?
33:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes, we have a lot of Down syndrome children.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Of course, these children are not going to stop being a Down syndrome, they're not their face is not going to change, the outward appearance is not going to change.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: But Downs uh people are physically very ill, they have many physical chronic ailments, and mentally they don't function very well.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: When they go on the GAPS diet permanently, they have to stay on it for the rest of their life.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: They never can come off the GAPS diet.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: All their physical problems disappear, they become physically well and healthy, they feel good, they they they're happy, these people, because they feel well, they sleep well, they're capable, and they're far more capable to learn and their brain starts functioning well.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: We have a few individuals who actually got jobs, you know, as adults, so they're functioning with their genetic problem, you know, they still live a full life to the to the fullest point that they are able to.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: So most people who go on the gaps diet to try to reverse some type of you know autoimmune or chronic disease, do they have to stay on the diet permanently?
34:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, is it a lifelong change?
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Not everybody.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, people with glider conditions can eventually start eating things that are not allowed on the gaps diet.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Once you healed your gut and rebalanced your microbial community, you can try to start eating this and that, you know, what is not allowed.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: But people who have recovered from severe chronic illnesses such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, they have to stay on the GAPS diet for the rest of their life.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: But I live on the Gaps diet permanently.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh it's a very delicious, it's an easy diet to follow.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: It's very delicious, it's very practical, it's based on nourishing traditions from all over the world on traditional diets.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: It isn't difficult to follow once you've settled on it.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, just more of a diving into your own personal space, if we can, since you're still on the Gaps diet.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Do you so the Gabbs diet does not allow for grains?
35:12
SPEAKER_01: No.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: Do you eat bread though, like uh like um alternative-based flour breads?
35:18
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not I'm I'm not even interested in the smell of the bakery, the smell of the bread.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: For breakfast, I have eggs and bacon, eggs and kippas with vegetables.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: We eat plenty of vegetables and lots of fat.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: I love my butter.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: I make my own butter from our own milk.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: And um then after that, I'm not hungry until four o'clock in the afternoon, usually, because it's such a nourishing, nourishing breakfast.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: And then we have soup, we have a lot of meat stock.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Meat stock is a staple in the Gaps diet, it's a very important part of the Gaps diet.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: And uh, meat and vegetables, fish and vegetables, plenty of fat, eggs and vegetables.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh, the core of the Gaps diet are the animal foods, animal foods.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: In this book, which actually Joel sent the review, he reviewed this book for me.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's called uh Vegetarianism Explained.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: I've written this book after I started working with some youngsters, young people who became terribly ill, destroyed themselves through vegetarianism by following a plant-based diet.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: And that made me very interested.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: Why is that happening?
36:27
SPEAKER_00: So I've researched the whole thing and I've written a book where I explained that human beings cannot live without animal foods.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: Animal foods are the easiest for us to digest, the easiest for our bodies to assimilate, and the easiest for our bodies to use for rebuilding and maintaining their own physical structure.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Plants are largely indigestible for the human digestive system.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: They are very difficult to digest plants.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: The most difficult plants to digest are grains and other seeds.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Because plants can't run away, you see, and they don't want their babies to be eaten, they want their babies to grow their seed.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: So they equip their seed with all sorts of chemicals which damage our digestive system and damage many other organs in our bodies.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: They're called anti-nutrients, and they're very difficult to digest.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: Seeds are the hardest things to digest.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: So seeds need to be prepared in a very special way in order for our human digestive system to even handle.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: And the more your digestive system is damaged, the less you're able to tolerate plants.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: I now have a variation of the gaps diet, which is called no plant gaps diet, where the person lives entirely on animal foods, nothing out of plant kingdom is consumed at all.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Because their digestive system is so damaged they cannot manage any plant matter at all.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: And uh, I came to that diet through a group of uh tiny babies with F pies.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: That's called a food induced protein endercolitis syndrome, it's a mouthful.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: It's a basically exclusively breastfed babies, vomiting diarrhea, vomiting diarrhea, the child's not putting weight on, the child is losing weight and dying, literally, and not developing either mentally or physically, because their digestive system is so damaged, they cannot tolerate and they cannot digest any food at all.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: And for these little babies, I had to come up with some solution.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: And because I knew that plants are difficult for humans to digest, difficult, they're indigestible and they do not feed us.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: They are cleansers, they cleanse your body, but they do not feed you.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: So veganism is not a diet, veganism is a form of fasting.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Please read this book to understand the whole concept, what you're doing to yourself when you're following the plant-based diet.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: It's not a diet.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: So, with this F pies, babies, what we found is that they we have to remove all plant matter.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: When we removed all plant matter, this baby started growing, developing, thriving.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: This happened some more than 10 years ago now.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: So I have a cohort of these children now, beautiful children, bright eyes, bushy tails, intelligent, perfectly developing, mentally, physically, everything.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: What we cannot do with these children, we cannot introduce any plant matter to them.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: For years we can try, with some children, we were able to.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: With other children, even the tiniest amount of a well-cooked vegetable or a fermented and then cooked vegetable brings diarrhea back, vomiting back, the child gets ill again.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: So these children taught me that human beings can live perfectly well without eating plants.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: Perfectly well.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: But we cannot live without animal foods.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Dr.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Natasha, um uh we're we're almost out of time, but at this point, you it um Cena jump in here if I'm wrong, but but uh I'm just dying to know.
39:56
SPEAKER_02: Is this a recent thing?
39:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, people have had people have grown grain, they've eaten uh uh you know uh papaya, citrus, you know, uh bananas, all sorts of things, you know, for a long time.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh was this leaky gut a problem in in uh in 5000 BC?
40:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it was, but not to the same degree at all.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: Not it is getting worse.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: The babies I dealt with even uh last year were a bit stronger than the babies we deal with today.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: Gaps is an epidemic, it is the real cause of every chronic disease underneath.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: The gut flora in people is getting worse and worse with every generation, and the worse your gut flora is, the more your gut is damaged, the less it is capable of handling plants.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: I now have um I have many volunteers on my farm because I'm an organic farmer and I teach organic farming.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: So I now have several young people in their 20s who came to me who got my blue book, never had any consultations with anyone, and they had severe chronic illnesses, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, uh, you know, uh various rheumatoid arthritis, various things.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: And uh they went on a no-plant gaps diet two weeks, all symptoms are gone.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: And they don't want to even try plants anymore.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: We move into that situation where a lot of these young people, majority of humanity, will not be able to even touch plants.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: Forget the wheat, forget the grains.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: They can't even eat courgettes, onions, carrots, leeks, things which are uh much easier to digest than grains.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
41:41
SPEAKER_02: And which which then brings up the whole uh issue of fake meat, uh plant-based, um, you know, lab lab made uh lab-made fake material.
41:52
SPEAKER_02: It's just it's going it's going from bad to worse, isn't it, Dr.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Nataj?
41:56
SPEAKER_00: It is absolutely.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: But all of that is just the shenanigans of those low vibrational cesspools that's beneath us.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: Let's pay attention to them.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I say.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: It's fear-based, right?
42:09
SPEAKER_01: You don't want to go down that road.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: That's you know the ultimate emotional root cause, the disease is the fear.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: Humanity needs to eat more meat.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: We need to convert 90% of all those arable fields back to pasture to do what Joel's doing.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: I love that now.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: Lots of animals, lots of chickens, lots of birds, and lots of lovely dairy cows.
42:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes, all living at a high vibrational frequency.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: Now we're about out of time, but I know people are gonna be really interested in learning more about the gaps diet.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: How can they get on it?
42:45
SPEAKER_01: How can they be walk through it?
42:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, so I know you have we have many books, and we'll include the links in the description, in the description box, but you also have a gaps training company where you offer online courses.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: Can you just explain that to us a little bit?
43:01
SPEAKER_00: Gapstraining.com, please go on that website, gapstraining.com.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: And uh there we have several training courses.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: We have uh a training course for uh qualified people who have some kind of clinic or health degree.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: We have a training course for not qualified people called gaps coaches.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: These are people who went through the protocol themselves, healed their families, healed themselves.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: They have lots of experience.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: So it's like doctors and nurses.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: These people can come into your house and cook for you and hold your hand and move you along through all your symptoms, through all your problems, just get you through the whole protocol.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: We have an online course for people who would like to learn more about GAPS diet and they just can't wrap their brain around it.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: Go on that course, and very highly specialized team will lead you by the hand through the whole protocol on that course.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: So you will you will learn how to cook, you will learn how to heal yourself, all your questions will be answered.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: We have a course for parents with fussy eating children, with children who don't want to eat anything, which is fussy eaters.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: We have a course for parents who would like to have a healthy baby or already have a baby with problems.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: So we have a gaps baby course, we have a chef course, we have a course for people who have electromagnetic sensitivity.
44:20
SPEAKER_00: We have several courses on gapstraining.com.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Please go there and you will find whatever information you need.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: On my website, gaps.me, that's my website.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: There are many, many gaps websites out there run by practitioners, by coaches, and other uh people.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, my website is the gaps.me, and I have a very extensive frequently asked questions section there where you are likely to find answers to your questions.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: Please have a look there.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: And we have a gaps on online conference.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: It happens every year in February.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: So next February we will have another online conference.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: We always have a wonderful list of speakers.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: So please join us next February.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Dr.
45:07
SPEAKER_02: Natasha Campbell McBride.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, Cena, I'm uh um I'm ready to explode.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh we've had we've had a a great time.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: What a wonderful um um discussion and and what a wonderful uh hope for people.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm I'm not I'm not gonna make it through this, you know, uh people who are um who are just at at their end.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: And uh we have so many of that, so much of that.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the higher the whole, you know, why would a person be so hopeless that they take fentanyl?
45:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you you know, you you get all of these things, and um, and you are a a a light and a breath of fresh air in a in a in a world that is um swirling in dysfunction and morass.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: And so we thank you for your for your indomitable leadership, your spirit, your your uh your courage, uh, because I know you get a lot of pushback.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: Anybody that's in this space gets a tremendous amount of pushback.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for being there uh for our world.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: Cena and I thank you very much for being on today and and bless you in your continued work.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for joining us.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for inviting me and thank you for your work.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, everyone, for joining us on another Beyond Labels podcast.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: We look forward to visiting with you again next week.