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Sleep Driving: Fitness Guru Jackie Warner's Ambien defense In cop assault · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt the medicine Ambient can really helping off
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, but it can also, from all reports,
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  Speaker 1: do some really weird things to folks, from unknowingly eating
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  Speaker 1: and sleeping, to driving to work in their pjas, to
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  Speaker 1: unknowingly attempting to commit suicide. This is Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Ambient has been on the market since its
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  Speaker 1: approval in the US. In the company that makes the
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  Speaker 1: drugs hand of the Aventis says Ambience provided twenty years
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  Speaker 1: of use and twenty four billion knights of patient therapy worldwide,
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  Speaker 1: and the drug is very dangerous and it puts everybody
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  Speaker 1: at risk because we don't know how they're going to react.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know what's going to happen to him, and
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  Speaker 1: we've punished the personal the patient. The superstar workout you're
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  Speaker 1: to on Bravo Fitness has just been arrested for felony
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  Speaker 1: assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer. It's
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  Speaker 1: really hard for me to believe. Jackie Warner. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen her a million times flipping through the channels.
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  Speaker 1: She's beautiful. She was the star of the Bravo workout series.
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  Speaker 1: What aggravated felony assault with a deadly weapon and on
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  Speaker 1: a cop no list. This is crime Stories. I'mancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, and her defense is
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  Speaker 1: ambient Ambien the sleeping Pill. Cops say that Jackie crashed
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  Speaker 1: her car in West Hollywood. She also hit a pole
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  Speaker 1: where told. When police arrived, she backed into their car,
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  Speaker 1: causing a deputy to jump out of harm's way. She
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  Speaker 1: was arrested and booked and taken to jail. What now.
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  Speaker 1: We're also learning that she says she went to a
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  Speaker 1: lunch that afternoon and had one martini. Okay. Then she
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  Speaker 1: says she took an uber to and from the restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: The source states that when she got home, she took
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  Speaker 1: one Ambien and went to sleep, and that she woke
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  Speaker 1: up surrounded by police in the hospital with no recollection
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  Speaker 1: of driving. To top it all off, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: the sleep driving defense, she wasn't wearing any pants just
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  Speaker 1: Dundee's Now listen, if you believe her story, why would
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  Speaker 1: she we wearing any pants? Okay, so the pants are
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  Speaker 1: not my problem. The running down a cop car is
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  Speaker 1: simply Safe. Thank you. Now back to Jackie Warner, the
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  Speaker 1: workout guru with me. Now the Duke, Alan Douke, what happened.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to believe this woman would knowingly
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  Speaker 1: ram into a police car. I have actually been talking
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  Speaker 1: to Jackie since just hours after she got out of
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  Speaker 1: jail on Saturday. She reached out to me and she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to explain to me what happened to her. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe what she's telling me, Nancy, because I've had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of discussions with her. She says that she
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  Speaker 1: took this one ambient pill. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever used ambience ever. I've done it once, and only once. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Ambient the sleeping pill. It's a sleeping pill. It's the
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  Speaker 1: widely used it is very widely used. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: enough toes and fingers to count all of all the
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  Speaker 1: people I know that take an ambient at night and
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  Speaker 1: they think nothing of it. I took it once. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't wake up for twelve hours, which I guess was good,
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  Speaker 1: but it kind of scared me because I didn't remember anything.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't remember anything, Alan, I didn't dream. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember dreaming. I remember. That kind of scared me. I
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  Speaker 1: loved dreaming. That's very interesting to me that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: remember anything. You know, I was asleep, But she is
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  Speaker 1: saying is that she didn't remember anything. Just I just
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you one thing, Okay, Alan, you and
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  Speaker 1: I were discussing different people that we both knew, and
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  Speaker 1: a woman that was a very very dear friend of mine, Meg,
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  Speaker 1: she had dental surgery the next day. She prosecuted with me.
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  Speaker 1: She was in child support recovery, you know, deadbeat dads,
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  Speaker 1: and she's really into it. It was her mission. She
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  Speaker 1: had dental surgery the next day, and she was taking
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  Speaker 1: something to prep for the dental surgery. You know how
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you take antibiotics or something. Anyway, they all also
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  Speaker 1: told her to take I think it was ambient and
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  Speaker 1: then whatever regular medications she took, alan she died in
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  Speaker 1: her sleep and left two behind. So I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: ambient is a big health risk, but what I am
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  Speaker 1: saying is when you mix it with something else, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. Google ambient and sleepless
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  Speaker 1: driving and you will see many examples of what happened
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  Speaker 1: Jackie has happened to her. So, she had this very
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  Speaker 1: important meeting. She says she had one martini or one
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  Speaker 1: drink while she was at the meeting. Then she ubered home,
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  Speaker 1: as you said. Then she it was about six o'clock
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  Speaker 1: at night or something like that. She decided to go
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  Speaker 1: to sleep, and she took an ambient and she and
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  Speaker 1: as you say, she woke up and the next thing
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  Speaker 1: she knew, she was in the hospital surrounded by deputies.
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  Speaker 1: But what we know that happened in between that was,
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  Speaker 1: for some reason, somehow she got into a car. It's
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  Speaker 1: a Porsche and it's in West Hollywood. She drove by
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  Speaker 1: a seven eleven. Then she drove into a utility pole.
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  Speaker 1: Fortunately nobody was hurt. But then when the police showed up,
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  Speaker 1: she was somehow drove into the cop car well, of
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  Speaker 1: course that's what got the most serious chart of trying
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  Speaker 1: to attack a cop with a deadly weapon, and that
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  Speaker 1: was of course her car. She says that she just
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  Speaker 1: woke up and that was that she doesn't remember anything. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have blood tests back, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how blood tests detect ambient and that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: but that'll be interesting. But the point is she called
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  Speaker 1: me on Saturday and basically said that she wanted she
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  Speaker 1: was so upset about this, she wanted other people to
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  Speaker 1: know the dangers of ambient. Then that's how she's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with it, is she wants to let people know what
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  Speaker 1: can happen to you. This is before she hired a
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  Speaker 1: lawyer or anything. She said she wanted to get that
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  Speaker 1: message out there, you know, and to wake up cops
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  Speaker 1: surrounding you and not have any recollection. Wow, no recollection. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you look up being sleepwalking, it says the disturbing
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  Speaker 1: side effects of ambien, which is the number one prescription
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  Speaker 1: sleep paid, the number one. You know, they're all these
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  Speaker 1: cases of people acting bizarrely on ambient. Is it true?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, But you know Jackie Warren, you know
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  Speaker 1: her personally. I mean is this characteristic? Un characteristic? What
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  Speaker 1: it is not characteristic? She's very careful about what she
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  Speaker 1: puts in her body. Her body is what you know.
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  Speaker 1: She's a fitness instructor. She actually, I tell you what
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  Speaker 1: has happened with her the last couple of years she's
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  Speaker 1: been she's forty eight years old, and guess what she's
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  Speaker 1: been trying to do. She's been trying to become a mother.
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  Speaker 1: So she's been going through fertility treatments and that sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Not been working out so much because of
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  Speaker 1: all the estrogen and hormones and everything that you've got
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  Speaker 1: to do. And she hasn't been drinking much, but she's
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  Speaker 1: I think, stopped that process. But she she's she's not
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  Speaker 1: a big drinker. She will admit that there was a
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  Speaker 1: time in her life that she went through some things,
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  Speaker 1: but she takes care of her body. Her body being
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  Speaker 1: the Temple law enforcement sources state she was point o eight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that's blowing. That's a breathalyzer, and you know that
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  Speaker 1: a point eight is borderline. And also can you use
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  Speaker 1: a breathalyzer as evidence in court? Really? Absolutely? I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was just to establish the probable cause that they
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  Speaker 1: could then take blood, but they did take blood. No,
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  Speaker 1: you can use a breathalyzer. You don't have to submit
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  Speaker 1: to anything, but you absolutely can use a breathalyzer in court.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not a cut off. O A is driving
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  Speaker 1: under the influence, Yes, legally it is. That's that's the
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  Speaker 1: bottom end of the range, now, right, I mean it
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  Speaker 1: is the very bottom because the cut off is O eight.
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  Speaker 1: If you are O A or above, you're considered d
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  Speaker 1: u I. But then that the breathalyzer, of course, can
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  Speaker 1: be challenging. But really the big thing is it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the blood test that's gonna be the best evidence. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the problem, and I want her to be telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth. I'm open and set authetic to hearing what
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  Speaker 1: she has to say because I think that she is
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  Speaker 1: into physical fitness. I don't believe she has an alcohol
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  Speaker 1: drinking problem. But I'm telling you this. If you have
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  Speaker 1: one martini and you go home and take an ambien
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  Speaker 1: and go to sleep. However, many hours later, if you're
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  Speaker 1: still a point oh eight, that could suggest to some
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  Speaker 1: experts you had more than one martini, because that one
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  Speaker 1: drink should dissipate in your body over the hours, right,
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  Speaker 1: now again, thank you Simply Safe for making our podcast possible.
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  Speaker 1: In today, we're talking about fitness guru Jackie Warner, who
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  Speaker 1: has now been charged with d u I and assault
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  Speaker 1: with a deadly weapon on a police officer, that weapon
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  Speaker 1: being her car. Now we all know that Jackie Warner
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  Speaker 1: if you've ever seen Reality TV and the series on Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: She left, she came back and did the intervention. After
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  Speaker 1: she did that, she wrote several best selling fitness and
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  Speaker 1: diet books. She's released an album of dance music. Long
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  Speaker 1: story short, She's incredibly talented, incredibly about health and fitness. Now,
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  Speaker 1: one thing that, according to sources, she is mortified that
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  Speaker 1: she was driving in her underwear. Yeah, I gotta tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, if you look at some of her promo shots,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a whole lot less than what she
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  Speaker 1: wears and some of her promo shots. And I am
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  Speaker 1: not judging because if I had a body like that,
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  Speaker 1: I would totally be doing workout videos all the time
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  Speaker 1: and saying, you know, look at my body. Okay, she
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  Speaker 1: looks awesome. So I wouldn't be too worried about the
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  Speaker 1: underwear part, because if you look at her promos, just
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  Speaker 1: basically wearing that in the promo. She is mortified. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she wanted people to know that she didn't
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  Speaker 1: have pants on, but it's really a relevant piece of
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  Speaker 1: evidence to support her belief. She she doesn't even know
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  Speaker 1: what the police arrest report says, and she is still
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  Speaker 1: in shock, and she's just finding some of these details out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think until until today she even knew that
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  Speaker 1: she was given a breathalyzer. She told me that she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't even remember taking it. That you are talking to
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not. A sleepwalker as a young girl,
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  Speaker 1: I would actually try to get out the front door sleepwalking,
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  Speaker 1: had all sorts of night terrors, sleepwalking, the works. Then
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  Speaker 1: after my fiance was murdered, it retriggered it all. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of grown out of it. Then it went on
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  Speaker 1: for years after that. It's kind of dissipated now, although
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  Speaker 1: I get up and down all night long, but people
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  Speaker 1: do sleepwalk, and I mean on no alcohol, no ambient,
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  Speaker 1: no anything. So I don't really know how to take it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to believe her because I like what I
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  Speaker 1: know of her. But you know, come on now, Alan
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  Speaker 1: to say that there was just one martini, but witnesses
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  Speaker 1: apparently back that up. It's not just her saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Then the one martini and the one ambien. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I find it odd, not just unbelievable, but it's funny
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  Speaker 1: what people watch onto. She's looking at an agassault I
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  Speaker 1: guess the cole, and she's worried that she had on
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  Speaker 1: her underwear. I'm like, forget your underwear, lady. You don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go to jail. That's that's that's that's much
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  Speaker 1: you need to worry about. Forget the underwear. Well, she's
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  Speaker 1: got a good lawyer. Sean Holly is her lawyer. The
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  Speaker 1: lady who guided a number of celebrities through their travails,
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  Speaker 1: including Lindsay Lohan. So she's got a really good attorney
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  Speaker 1: who can guide her through the court system on this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I would brag about being Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Lohan's lawyer. I was there probably thirty court appearances with
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  Speaker 1: Sean Holly and Lindsay Lohan, and I can tell you
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  Speaker 1: that Sean Holly has the patience of job. Yes, job,
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  Speaker 1: The patience of job is gonna boil down to this
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  Speaker 1: is the ambient defense real? Or is it like total
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  Speaker 1: and complete b Yes, that's what This is going to
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  Speaker 1: boil down to you have said in the past to
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  Speaker 1: me that it's no defense if you did something, let's
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  Speaker 1: say you commit a crime, a murder or whatever while
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  Speaker 1: you're under the influence of drugs, because you knew the
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  Speaker 1: drugs could do that to you, Right, it's no defense.
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  Speaker 1: That's not exactly what I said, because that could lead
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  Speaker 1: leave open for the argument I didn't know the drug
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  Speaker 1: could do that. I mean, hey, I took cocaine, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know it made me that crazy. No, that
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  Speaker 1: the law is voluntary use of drugs or alcohol. It
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  Speaker 1: is not a defense. Under the law. You can't crash
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  Speaker 1: into a police car and go oops, I had an ambien. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what if you didn't know the ambient had that effect
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  Speaker 1: on people? What if you didn't know that when you
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  Speaker 1: took All she did was taken ambien before bedtime, as
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  Speaker 1: doctor prescribed, I assume prescription medicine. What if she didn't
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  Speaker 1: If she wasn't aware that that was a possible consequence
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  Speaker 1: of taking that drug, then is she's still guilty? Doesn't matter?
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  Speaker 1: I mean under the law it doesn't matter. But a
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  Speaker 1: judge could be sympathetic in a jury, could be sympathetic
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  Speaker 1: if she's believable, Ambien burst onto the scene around and
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  Speaker 1: various destages have emerged to address particular patient needs, such
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  Speaker 1: as for the elderly people with metabolic issues. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: every facet of ambient has been addressed. But whether a
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  Speaker 1: jury would believe that one ambient and one martini would
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  Speaker 1: make you act out like this, it's gonna be that's
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  Speaker 1: a tough one. And that's why I'm saying to you,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Deep, if you know Jackie and this is totally uncharacteristic,
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  Speaker 1: that's really gonna work in her behavior. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: she's a boozer and a druggie and she's out partying
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  Speaker 1: and well, like Lindsey Lohan, that was a good example.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's not her. I don't think she's not Lindsay Lohan.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And they I think, how does it
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  Speaker 1: work in court? I think I know the answer to
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  Speaker 1: this because I've seen it. But you're the prosecutor. How
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  Speaker 1: how does the court look if you, immediately after you're arrested,
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  Speaker 1: you come out in public and and start this message
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  Speaker 1: of trying to help people avoid what you went through. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very helpful. And I think that just
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  Speaker 1: being straight, if this is really what happened to her,
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  Speaker 1: the facts are not going to change. She needs to
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  Speaker 1: marshal her evidence, i e. Her witnesses that were with
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  Speaker 1: her when she had the one marteeny possibly even the
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  Speaker 1: bill that goes along with it, to show that's what
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  Speaker 1: she drank. If you can't find the bill, then you've
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  Speaker 1: got a problem, okay. Then to show that she went
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  Speaker 1: to the house and that she did have the prescription
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  Speaker 1: for ambient and why. And I find it very hard
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  Speaker 1: to believe she would be out riding around in her
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  Speaker 1: underwear and ram reverse into a cop car. It's not
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  Speaker 1: something that is I could logically believe she might be
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  Speaker 1: able to win this. But back to your question, I've
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  Speaker 1: always said that if one known a writer had come
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  Speaker 1: clean at the beginning and said, listen, I was drinking.
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  Speaker 1: I was in a depression. I felt like I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: making this up. I felt like I deserve those items.
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  Speaker 1: I know it was wrong. I don't want anyone, any
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  Speaker 1: young girls who look up to me to do this,
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  Speaker 1: because you can go to jail. And I want to
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  Speaker 1: apologize and I want to, you know, pick up trash
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  Speaker 1: or talk to high school students or whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: me to do, because I did this. It was stupid
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry and it will never happen again, So
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  Speaker 1: help me God in Heaven. She had done that, there
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  Speaker 1: would not have been that horrible trial. She may not
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  Speaker 1: have been found guilty. She probably could have gotten something
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  Speaker 1: like pre trial intervention, where you go and talk to
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  Speaker 1: students and tell them don't do this. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a small thing, but it can mess up your life.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have a conviction for Pete's, like ever, what a
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  Speaker 1: blouse for Macy's. My point is just come clean and
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  Speaker 1: try to get preachril intervention and you don't end up
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  Speaker 1: having a public spectacle of a trial like when Owen
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  Speaker 1: Writer had because we covered it live on Court TV.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're basically blackballed. Remember she didn't do a
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  Speaker 1: movie forever. She she disappeared for a while and then
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  Speaker 1: she came back strong, and I'm glad she did. This
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  Speaker 1: is one of the scary things. I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a good law you're you're in Los Angeles where they
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  Speaker 1: deal with these cases in a certain way, not like
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  Speaker 1: if you were in like say you were in the
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  Speaker 1: real world, not like if you were let's say in
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  Speaker 1: Gwynette County, Georgia. For the rest of us regular people,
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  Speaker 1: is that what you're trying to say exactly? What come clean?
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  Speaker 1: I think it matters. And plus, you know, this could
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  Speaker 1: be a whole turnaround for her. It really could, and
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  Speaker 1: in a good way. I mean, think about it. If
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  Speaker 1: she comes clean, she tells what happens, this could be
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  Speaker 1: a launching point for her to re invigorate her workout career,
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  Speaker 1: her you know, her clean living life style, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: If it's really happened the way she says it, she's
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  Speaker 1: going to have to have some experts to prove it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the guru fitness expert Jackie Warner, busted
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  Speaker 1: on d y and ramming a cop car after one
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  Speaker 1: martinian and ambient final word, don't do it. Okay. I
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  Speaker 1: want this to work for her. I want this to
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  Speaker 1: work for her. I really do. Okay, everybody, Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: Crimes Stories with the Duke Alan Deke signing off and
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  Speaker 1: stay tuned. What's gonna happen with Jackie Warner? My friend