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Sneaky Training Camp Battles, Our Vikings 53-man Prediction, and a Fantastic Beer | TSH Ep. 147 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the school app. I'm Evan, I'm Austin. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer and
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And tonight we looked at an article
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  Speaker 2: from front of the show Dustin Baker on vikes Now
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  Speaker 2: where he talked about some of the underlying and overlooked
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  Speaker 2: topics of the Vikings heading into this training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely some sneaky players that might find themselves
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  Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster come August.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fun talker. We also tried a really
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  Speaker 2: great beer from Gazelle Brewing Company that had us ready
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  Speaker 2: for fall and most importantly, football season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nearly perfect beer in my opinion. We
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  Speaker 1: also constructed our own version, maybe not perfect, of the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings possible fifty three man roster using a new tool
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  Speaker 1: over at bikesnow dot com. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was super fun. So go ahead and grab
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  Speaker 2: your beverage of choice and join us for episode one
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  Speaker 2: forty seven of the Skull Hob Skull Skull.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into some beer here, Yes, beer here. I
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  Speaker 1: brought the beer tonight. It's from Gazelleg Brewing, Newton, Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: home of Maytag Appliances there used to be. We went
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  Speaker 1: there checked out their little spot there right next to
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  Speaker 1: the Maytag.
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  Speaker 2: Have they moved since we've been there. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I've seen something. They either moved or they opened up
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  Speaker 2: another spot. Either way, we were there and it was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It was super good. Yeah, great beer. And I found
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  Speaker 1: their red Rover red Ale. And if you know me
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  Speaker 1: at this point, you know that I like a good
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  Speaker 1: red beer. So this just said take me. When I
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  Speaker 1: saw it on a shelf, It's like, this is for you.
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  Speaker 2: Have you finally gotten to the point where you can
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  Speaker 2: hear the beer.
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  Speaker 1: Talking to you? This one spoke to me that you
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  Speaker 1: might need to.
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  Speaker 2: Get checked out there. I don't need to burst your bubble,
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  Speaker 2: but beer can't talk.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's open these up and let's see if they
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  Speaker 1: speak to us in different ways, all right as they
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  Speaker 1: hit our pallets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited about this one. It may be
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  Speaker 2: the middle of and or late July, and we are
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  Speaker 2: coming off some of the hottest week or two that
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  Speaker 2: we've experienced all year in Iowa here. But I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready for football season. I'm ready for amber ales
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  Speaker 2: and red Laggers and everything like that. So you're doing it,
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  Speaker 2: you're bringing us, pulling us right into it. Six point
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  Speaker 2: or six percent red ale. Yeah, I'm excited. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: It smells amazing. He smelled it.
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  Speaker 2: It smells so good, Evan, I'm not impressed by your
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  Speaker 2: poor no school.
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  Speaker 1: Can all be like you school? Mm hmm. That's the
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  Speaker 1: solid red beer, dude, malty, kind of roasty toasty.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit. I like that. Let's roasty toasty, roasty toasty,
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  Speaker 2: roasty toasty.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a good roasty toasty.
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  Speaker 2: Vibe to I have the lawn more scale. You should
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  Speaker 2: have the roasty toasty scale.
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  Speaker 1: On the roasty toasty scale, this is like a nine
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  Speaker 1: or a ten. This is this is up there. This
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  Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of one of my favorite beers
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  Speaker 1: of all time at Five Cities, Crushing on Amber. This
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  Speaker 1: tastes a lot like that. It's very similar, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason that's one of my favorite beers, and it's
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  Speaker 1: because it tastes really darn good. Yeah, and this tastes
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  Speaker 1: pretty darn good too.
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  Speaker 2: On the can, they have a section that I'll call
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  Speaker 2: like the the the Connoisseur cheat sheet. It's it just
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  Speaker 2: says flavor notes caramel, toasted malt toffee, which I'm really getting.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably like the body of that roasty, toasty, that
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  Speaker 2: that toffee that the body they say is a medium,
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  Speaker 2: and then the finish is smooth with a playful hop.
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  Speaker 2: Snap man, they paid somebody who knows what they're talking
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  Speaker 2: about to write those few words.
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  Speaker 1: There a pickle, a playful little pickle.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, commercial ericson. Yeah, I really like this. This is
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  Speaker 2: this is solid. Have you did you say if you've
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  Speaker 2: had this one?
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  Speaker 1: I've never had this one. I think this is new.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think i've seen this on the shelves before.
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  Speaker 1: So good stuff. And I got it from Bettendorf Hive.
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  Speaker 2: See good old friend of the show Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Jim was not there. Dang Tony was there though, Oh
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  Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, all right, Tony's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all good guys over there. Yeah. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is really good. I'm very excited to finish the next,
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  Speaker 2: this one and the other one after that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, you found some articles for us to talk,
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  Speaker 1: so let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Front of the Show, Dustin Dustin Baker has
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  Speaker 2: written an article and he posted up on vikesnow dot
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  Speaker 2: com and then I think maybe later on there's also
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  Speaker 2: another article by another friend of the show, Yanick. Yanick
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  Speaker 2: was on our show, I don't know episode many episodes
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  Speaker 2: ago with friend of the show Dustin a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: year and a half ago, it might even be longer
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  Speaker 2: than that. But he's we've had very few guests on
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  Speaker 2: the show and is one of the Janick is definitely
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  Speaker 2: one of them. So and I think he's only been
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  Speaker 2: on once, but we've got articles by both those guys
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  Speaker 2: that were gonna kind of give our opinions on and
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  Speaker 2: then like a fun little game is it? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think it's a game or a tool? Definitely a tool tool,
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  Speaker 2: something you can play around with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was episode sixty nine, December fourth, twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: So it was quite a while ago that Dustin and
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  Speaker 1: Yanick were on.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, because we've had Dustin on several times just
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  Speaker 2: by himself and then he and someone else two or
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  Speaker 2: three times, because we had Dustin and Wes Yep and
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  Speaker 2: then Dustin Yonick and then Salaspice, Yeah, Salspice. What about
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  Speaker 2: a year ago or so so yeah, that's that's been fun.
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  Speaker 2: But the first one we're going to talk about is
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  Speaker 2: from Dustin Vikesnow dot com. We'll put the links for
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff below too. It is some of the
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  Speaker 2: overlooked training camp storylines. So I think we know for
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings right now, if you talk to like an
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  Speaker 2: actual Vikings fan, uh, and you bring up a few
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  Speaker 2: hard hitting topics, it's gonna be Obviously, the quarterback spot
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  Speaker 2: right now is like what most of the time is
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  Speaker 2: spent talking about the Vikings right now. There's probably a
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  Speaker 2: few other ones. People love to try to trade away
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  Speaker 2: justin Jefferson all the time, so that would come up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's probably a couple other ones, but Dustin wrote
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  Speaker 2: an article about I mean, there's probably what five or
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  Speaker 2: six of these specific talking points that maybe aren't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the ESPN number one Vikings talker, but they're all pretty
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  Speaker 2: important and maybe almost as important as the quarterback position,
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  Speaker 2: which I know it's kind of crazy, but yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: big spots, and all of these talking points are something
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  Speaker 2: that's going to really manipulate the team throughout the year.
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  Speaker 2: So I figured we could go down the list and
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  Speaker 2: kind of give our opinions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, ultimately these positions will contribute to the
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  Speaker 1: overall makeup of that fifty three man roster, So they
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  Speaker 1: are important positions and when you get into the dog
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  Speaker 1: days of the season, these guys could play a really
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  Speaker 1: big role. We can start with the running back three battle,
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  Speaker 1: so we know that Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, they'll be
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  Speaker 1: RB one, RB two. I think a lot of Vikings fans,
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  Speaker 1: including myself, were a little disappointed that the Vikings didn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything meaningful in the draft or free agency at
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  Speaker 1: the running back position. They did draft Demand Claiborne, who
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  Speaker 1: looks promising, but he was a sixth rounder, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a handful of other guys on the roster. There's Xavier Scott,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I'm I'm the one that said at
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  Speaker 1: one point, like there's always that one sneaky running back
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  Speaker 1: that comes up during training camp, preseason, and it usually
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  Speaker 1: has a Z in his name, and so like last
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  Speaker 1: year that was Xavier Scott. But yeah, it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see what happens there if Xavier Scott gets it,
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  Speaker 1: just because he's got more experience, if Demon Claiborne can
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  Speaker 1: out run him, outperform him, or who knows, maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: another there's another person out there that they can bring in.
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  Speaker 2: There's currently on the roster. There's currently only one other
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  Speaker 2: specific running back, John Owens.
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  Speaker 1: They drafted him too.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's he's a UDFA Okay, Demon Claiborne was
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  Speaker 2: the only drafted running back.
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  Speaker 1: But he's a rookie, right, correct, John Owens is a rookie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, there's definitely a camp battle going on for
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  Speaker 1: that position, and it's definitely an important position. Aaron Jones
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  Speaker 1: is older, and we saw Kevin O'Connell use him as
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  Speaker 1: the bell cow. Last year. He was the primary running back.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all thought Jordan Mason was gonna get
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  Speaker 1: more carries and he didn't well.
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  Speaker 2: And last year Jones he missed. He missed the seven weeks.
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  Speaker 2: He missed a significant man.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's the second leg to my point here
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  Speaker 1: is that he's prone to injury, especially in his older
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  Speaker 1: age now, and so this RB three position becomes even
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  Speaker 1: more important because if Aaron Jones is out for any
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  Speaker 1: length of time, that means Jordan Mason will then assume
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  Speaker 1: running back one duties, and that means whoever's behind him
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  Speaker 1: is now RB two, and in today's game, the running
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  Speaker 1: back doesn't play every single snap. You rotate him in
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  Speaker 1: and out. They get banged up there locking in past coverage,
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  Speaker 1: they're They're doing a whole bunch of stuff. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if I had a guess right now, I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: Xavier Scott gets the job. Familiarity with the offense. I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know a whole lot about Demon Claiborne Xavier Scott.
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  Speaker 1: I think we watched him take a handful of snaps
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  Speaker 1: in that Packers game that we were at. He definitely
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  Speaker 1: would have I think he played a little bit, not
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  Speaker 1: a ton, because I think they pulled Aaron Jones pretty early.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, those are my thoughts on RB three. Who
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  Speaker 1: do you think takes that Xavier Scott, Demon Claiborne, or
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  Speaker 1: ka John Owen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that that RB three spot, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It'll probably be the most honest competition on
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  Speaker 2: the roster pretty much, because I think you don't lose
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  Speaker 2: too much by getting rid of any of those guys.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we heard a lot of hype about
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  Speaker 2: Demand Claiborne. I remember, you know, Twitter kind of blowing
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit when the Vikings drafted him, a
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  Speaker 2: few Twitter people who know more about college football than
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  Speaker 2: I do were like, well, that's that's actually really good.
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  Speaker 2: He'll fit right in. I think I mentioned a week
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  Speaker 2: or two ago that Ben Lieber on his YouTube channel
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  Speaker 2: was when he was talking about Demon Claiborne was almost
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  Speaker 2: like mentioning, Like the way he was talking about him
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  Speaker 2: almost made it seem like Ben thought he'd be pushing
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  Speaker 2: for like RB one type carries. So it seems like
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  Speaker 2: he is well liked and will get a ton of opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: But if Xavier Scott, you know, really has a great
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  Speaker 2: training camp and really turns it up, and of course
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  Speaker 2: injury can derail this whole conversation between anybody. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: just the way I've been hearing people talk, especially after
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  Speaker 2: OTA's in mini camp, I would say Demon Claiborne probably
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  Speaker 2: has a better He does have.
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  Speaker 1: Good college stats. I'm looking at his college stats right now.
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  Speaker 1: His final two years at Wake Forest, he had one
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  Speaker 1: thousand and forty nine rushing yards his junior year and
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  Speaker 1: nine hundred and seven his senior year. He had thirteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred scrimmage yards in twenty four, just over one thousand
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five and he's got twenty eight touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: on his career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so was he? I know you just said it. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He was at wake Forest.
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  Speaker 1: Wake Forest for all four years, Okay, Yeah, and looks
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  Speaker 1: like he was relatively healthy, played all twelve games his
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  Speaker 1: final two years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean, if you're just looking at
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  Speaker 2: experience in the NFL, Xavier Scott obviously, even just with
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  Speaker 2: one year under his belt, has more experience in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: But running back can be a weird position. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Mason himself, he got an opportunity with San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago, and you know, he was an
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  Speaker 2: undrafted guy or a six round guy when he came
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  Speaker 2: in the league. Game turned himself into a good, good
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  Speaker 2: RB one for that one year when Christian mccaffery's yeah
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  Speaker 2: enough for the Vikings to trade for him and then
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  Speaker 2: obviously keep him. So yeah, maybe, hopefully, hopefully this point
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  Speaker 2: isn't super important because you'd like Aaron Jones and Jordan
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  Speaker 2: Mason to be healthy and productive for the whole year.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you mentioned running back position. They get
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  Speaker 2: they get banged up. You could be a guy that
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  Speaker 2: has never had any injury problems and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden you broke your ankle and you're out for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, Like you just can't control that too much.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we kind of disagree a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but not we're not coming to blows over this. If
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  Speaker 2: I had to bet either one, Yeah, if I knew
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  Speaker 2: only one of Demond Claiborne or Jordan sorry not Jordan
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  Speaker 2: Mason Xavier Scott was gonna make the roster, I'd probably
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  Speaker 2: give the the edge a little bit to Demond Claiborne
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  Speaker 2: just because of what I've been hearing about him from
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  Speaker 2: this offseason. So we'll see. It'll be it'll be a
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  Speaker 2: fun one.
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  Speaker 1: To watch, yeah, for sure. Moving on to the tight
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  Speaker 1: end position, Yeah, similar setup. Tight End one and tight
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  Speaker 1: end two are pretty much locked in TJ. Hawkinson and
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  Speaker 1: Josh Oliver. But then Dustin says, and I quote, the
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  Speaker 1: depth chart becomes mysterious at that point, And honestly, if
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  Speaker 1: it weren't for this article, I wouldn't even know the
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  Speaker 1: names I forgot about GA Gavin Bartholomew. Yeah, he missed
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  Speaker 1: all of last year due to injury.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like a he came in with a
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  Speaker 2: back injury or something he didn't. I'm pretty sure it
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  Speaker 2: was one of those they knew like when he was drafted, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this guy is probably not playing this year, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And then ben Yurasek played quite a bit last year,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen offensive snaps and one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty five special team snaps, so he's got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of experience. And then Bryson Nesbit. Was he a draft
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  Speaker 1: pick or a UDFA.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't remember. We probably should know that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll look that up.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, he's another name on this list. But what's
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  Speaker 1: interesting about how Dustin writes this part of his article,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess I didn't really consider this, but he
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  Speaker 1: says at the end, if either man shines, and he's
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  Speaker 1: talking about Nesbit, Bartholomew and EuroSec, if any of them
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  Speaker 1: shine this year, if they're good this year, they could
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  Speaker 1: be auditioning for the tight end one job next year.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know their contract situations, but that would
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  Speaker 1: lead me to believe that both TJ and Josh are
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  Speaker 1: done at the end of this season, like their contracts
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  Speaker 1: expire and they'd be free agents.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know TJ there was a speculation early offseason,
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  Speaker 2: and he ended up signing a new deal that like
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: took off years of his contract, making him a free
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  Speaker 2: agent after this year. Okay, because there was that the
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  Speaker 2: rumors that how they're going to cut him or trade
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  Speaker 2: him or what, but they ended up working it out,
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  Speaker 2: so at least in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: He's Yep, he'll be a free agent in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: And then Josh Oliver, Josh Oliver's got a few more
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  Speaker 1: years left on his contract.
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  Speaker 2: He's twenty nine on him. I don't I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: never been mad about Josh Oliver, but man, they for
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  Speaker 2: a guy that his most of his highlights are blocking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's definitely caught passes and he might have had more
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  Speaker 2: reception touchdowns than Hockinson last year. But for a guy
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  Speaker 2: that blocks, you know, they they definitely seem to like
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  Speaker 2: to pay him a lot of money. Again, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: complaining about it, but it's just one of those like
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  Speaker 2: you don't see it on every highlight reel. So when
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  Speaker 2: you hear his name and see how much he makes,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, And they've resigned him a couple
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  Speaker 2: of times, so mm hmm, but yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: why Dustin in the article is say both Hockinson and
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  Speaker 2: Oliver are are locks for twenty twenty six unless I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I guess everybody has a price. If somebody were to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: come to the Bikings and said, hey, we want TJ
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  Speaker 2: right now, maybe they do it. I don't know, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's I think they're probably gonna keep three.
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  Speaker 2: I think they usually keep three unless there fourth is
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: like a really good special team or something. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if they keep three, then it would be interesting to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: see who who wins that job between Gavin Bartholomew and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Ben Youresek and who knows, maybe Bartholomew he'll never be
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: healthy again. I don't know how severe that injury was. Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: that'll be fun to watch, and we'll probably get a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: tweet about those players once every couple of days, like oh, yeah,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: this guy had a really good day, or this guy
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: dropped a couple of passes, or you know, we'll hear
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  Speaker 2: about that at least a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Oliver had one more touchdown last year than TJ.
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  Speaker 1: Josh had four, TJ had three touchdowns, so it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of an interesting little nugget all right, moving on to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the wide receiver position again, same kind of setup. We
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: know who the one and two and probably three are.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: You got Justin Jefferson of course, which I have a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: little side note about him in a second. Jordan Addison
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and then Jowan Jennings was brought in in free agency.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: But I think the big question right now is who's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: after Jwan Jennings and whoever that wide receiver for is
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: is also probably doing a lot of punt and or
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: kick returning duties and then maybe even gunning on the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: other side. Ty Felton or Dylan Bell. That's the question
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that Dustin poses here in his article. Again, I'm gonna
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: go with the guy with experience. I'm gonna go with
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the guy that was on the roster last year.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Ty Felton, a third round pick from two years ago.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Two drafts ago, and he came in. He was kind
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of a splashy draft pick. He came in with a
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: little bit of fanfare, and I don't know, I'm gonna
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: go with him. I don't know a lot about Dylan Bell.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember what round he was.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: He wasn't he was an undrafted guy. So the thing
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: about Dylan Bell is he looked the part in O
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: t A's in mini camp, and the reporters and anyone
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: else who was allowed to be there for practices were like, hey, yeah,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: JJ looks great. Just Jefferson looks great, Jordan Addison greatest
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: can be Juwan Jennings once he got there, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: he's great. Uh Ty Felton really looks like he's done
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of work. He's he's looking pretty good. But
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: holy cow, Dylan Bell is like the bell of the ball,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you know, he's the bar.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: That of Michael Scott.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's prison Mike. You would be de belled anyways.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But apparently Dylan Bell balled out for ot AS in
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: mini camp and looked really good, especially for a guy
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that was a UDFA. So I don't know anything about
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: him other than that that he had a lot of
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: fanfare and enough that you're starting to see, you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: valid articles like this that are like, hey, if they
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: had to only keep type Felton or Dylan Bell, who
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: is it? And I guess training camp will flush that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: one out. It'll make us see who's who. I feel
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: like the Vikings are probably gonna keep five. They usually
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: keep five or six wide receivers. We know the top
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: three Jefferson, Addison Jennings, and then that fourth is probably
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: ty Felton or Dylan Bell, but I could see both
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of them making this team. Miles Price is a wide receiver,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's where the conversation gets really, you know, interesting,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: because Miles Price was a really good returner last year
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: as well, and would have had a couple of return
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: touchdowns if not for some awful penalties too. So maybe
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the real question shouldn't be ty Felton or Dylan Bell.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe it should be Miles Price or Dylan Bell. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: if that's the case, I would almost think that's a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: harder question. So we'll see if they keep five, maybe six,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: If they keep six and all those names are in there,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: but I don't know, well we will find out.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Interesting side note, I saw this on Twitter. I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: somebody posed the possibility, and it's kind of a terrifying
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: possibility that Justin Jefferson would opt to go to Las Vegas.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I saw this and it's such it was such a
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: joke article.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Well, but the joke aside, if you think about it,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like the pieces are all there. He had a lot
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of success with Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins is likely
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: going to be the one starter, and I've heard in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a few different places now that they plan to start
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: him all season and do the the kind of Aaron
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Rodgers treatment where he sits behind or Mendoza sits behind
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and learns, and you know, doesn't get to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: go play until.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: He's yea and.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Taught by the master the sense Clint Kubiak. I thought
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you hated that movie.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I do, but that just popped in my head. And
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that one is kind of funny because he keeps slapping
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: him in the face.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Doesn't he grab my arm, my right arm, my other
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: right arm.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, we can't derail on the worst movie of all time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You're right anyways, to your CeNSE, the stars seem to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: be kind of aligned for Justin Jefferson out there in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Clint Kubiak was the offensive coordinator during some
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of Justin Jefferson's best seasons, and the quarterback that he
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: had arguably the most successful parts of his career is
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: out there now. I would hate for that to happen.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I really don't think it will happen, But like I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: don't know the seed has been planted, and I'm sure
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson has some semblance of that in his mind, like, yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I could just give Clint Kubiak a call and see
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: what we can do, and my agent could work it
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: out and I could get out of the like this.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: This could turn out to be disastrous, Like you never
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with this QB situation. The Vikings
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: got Kyler, but who knows how that's gonna work out. Yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: we've seen what JJ McCarthy can do. It's not been great.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: The only other quarterbacks on the roster are garbage.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: After that, I wouldn't say garbage.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: He's okay.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You've said many times he was the best quarterback last year.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: He was No. I I think Justin Jefferson is definitely
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: not getting traded. Just let's here's my ending of that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: argument right here. I don't think the first thing Nolan
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Teasley would do after getting his first GM job and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a really promising Vikings organization would be too trade away
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: not just the best player on the team right now,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: but truly the face of the frame and one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the faces of the NFL shield. I unless it was
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: like a three plus first round pick offer plus, which
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: film probably what he would Garner, I would get Justin Jefferson,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I think right now, is one of few players in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the league that the conversation starts with three first round picks.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But there is no conversation. We've never heard anything like
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that publicly from Justin Jefferson. Even when he was in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, heading into right before he got his big contract.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It was all professionalism. The only thing we've ever said
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: about him is how professional he's ever been, and he
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, still shows up to things when he's in
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: contract disputes. He's definitely got a good agent, he's got
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: good team around him, and he's just smart. So he's
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: never even hinted at now I don't like it here,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I'd like to go somewhere else, or I need more targets.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We've never heard any public complaint from him at all,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and I don't think we will start hearing that now.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm just playing Devil's advocate. To play Devil's advocate,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I guess you can do all of that professionally respectfully.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He could go to Nolan, Teasley and Koc and the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Wolfson say listen, I've enjoyed my time here, but I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: want to go.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely possible, you know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And I think, just like you said, he's one of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: few players that would garner a very, very high return
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in a trade situation. He's also one of the few
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: players in the league that I think ownership management would
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: listen to if he came close the door and said,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: here's how I'm feeling. It's not that I want to leave,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: but my clock is getting shorter and shorter here in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: this league. I want to I want to chance it winning.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like we're there yet, you know. I'm just
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like to avocate professionally. You could do that professionally.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And I do think if justin Jefferson, of all players,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: if he did get to a certain point where he
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: felt like, yeah, I need to be out of here,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a Stefan Diggs situation where he stood
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: with his hoodie up and he faked being sick and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: skipped practice and you know, tweeted random things. It would
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: be the professional behind closed doors. Uh, still doing the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: right things publicly, still saying the right things publicly, not
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: even saying it's not about the dollars, it's about what
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the dollars represent like Justin Jefferson. Jeff definitely seems like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: a professional.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: You know what you just did.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You just quoted Moneyball right there now, I quoted former
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It's also money Yeah, you've.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Brought that up before. So yeah, it's definitely possible Jefferson
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: could get to the point. Really, any player could get
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to the point like hey, I need something else. But
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I we've never seen anything close to that, so I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: don't think that would happen.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it will either. Again, I was just
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: playing Devil's Advocate, but it was one of those possibilities,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like it had never even crossed my mind that Justin
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Jefferson would go anywhere, because it was like there was
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: not even this realistic like, of course every team wants him,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but like what would realistically be a spot where he
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: could land? And then that came up and I'm like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: actually that makes sense.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You could say the same thing about like Cincinnati. Oh,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Jefferson would want to go to Cincinnati to play with
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: his championship quarterback, But in Joe Burrow.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He and Jamar Chase, I feel like they're not as
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: buddy buddy as they were in college, and I think
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the two of them, it's kind of like it's a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: business principle where you open one franchise and then you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: open another one, like way too close to the original one,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and then the new one cannibalizes the original one. I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: think that's what would happen if Justin Jefferson and Jamar
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Chase were on the same team. They would cannibalize each
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: other's staff. They wouldn't You wouldn't have the success that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: either of them is having because they're on separate teams.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: But I was just saying, you could make those connection points.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You could do Maybe he'd want to go to Seattle
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and play with his old buddy Sam Darnold who threw
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: him a ninety seven yard touchdown pass. Maybe he'd want
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to go. Is he from I know he went to LSU.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know where he's from Louis. Maybe he'd want
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to go play with the Saints, and maybe he likes
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: what Tyler Shug is doing and wants to go, Like
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you can make those connections.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Like one of the worst team I know. Now, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: don't think he'd want to go there.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean you could say that all day
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: long you could. He's he's in one of the nowhere.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Else would he go where every child knows his name,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: even kids like my kids who aren't die hard fans,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: yet they know, oh, Justin Jefferson, Like we have a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: jersey of his hung in our basement, Like Minnesota loves
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, and he has done a really good job
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: keeping it that way. Like there's never I can't you
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: couldn't find somebody that doesn't like him, because like people,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: even when Stefan Diggs was like still playing well for
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, I was getting to the point where it's like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: all right, let's get this guy such a headache, Like
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I hate this dude, or I really like Justin Jefferson.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: But he drops the ball like that. We don't have
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: anything like that. He is perfectly situated in Minnesota. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's staying for the long haul.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I sure hope so, and I sure hope we don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: have a late summer like ball drop. That's just like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: oh man, that sucks. But anyways, we digress. Let's get
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: back to the article here. We've got a few more
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: position groups to look at. Yeah, backup guard. So Dustin
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: basically says you know, usually in the past, Blake Brandell's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: been that guy, and he's been kind of that like
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that swing offensive lineman. He can just he can play
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere on the line. He's played center, he's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: played guard. I don't think he's lying up at tackle before.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But well, I'm pretty sure when he came into the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: league could He played tackle in college and it was
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: basically the backup tackle early in his career.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But basically what Dustin is saying it is like, well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: if you're like you're guaranteed backup that you always go
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to your your back pocket guy that you just pull
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: out whenever you need him. If he's now a starter,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: where do you go from there? And so he lists
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a couple of names. Joe Huber, Henry Bird, You've got,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Walter Rouse, Ryan Vandermark, Michael Jurgens. There are some guys there.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I think what I'm most excited for is fingers crossed
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: some continuity and consistency on this Vikings offensive line. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: think that is one of the cornerstones of a successful
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: NFL team, is consistency at that entire position group. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: so honestly, for me, I don't really care who it is.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I know, guys like Henry Bird and Walter Rowse. They've
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: been around, Michael Jurgens has been around. They're familiar with
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the system. I think you want that just in case
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt. But more than anything, I don't want
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to be talking about these guys in November and December
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: because that means that somebody is hurt. It means that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Blake Brandell or why am I blanking on the other names?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Will Fries and Donovan Jackson, the interior offensive linemen, those guys,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: it means one of them is hurt, and we don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: want that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So and I think we're coming back to a point
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: where both of our tackles are healthy too. It seems
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: like Christian Darisa and Brian O'Neil are going to be
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: back to nearly one, if not fully one hundred. So yeah,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, get some warm bodies in there that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you think can come in and do a good job,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and then you just hope and pray that, yeah, those
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: guys can stay healthy and you don't really need to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: go into the trenches too often.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean the reason we're even talking about,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you know, this position, is because Brandell went from being
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the sixth offensive lineman that the first guy in. Then
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: he had to be that for the center position a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: little bit last year and played well enough to be
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: all right, we can roll with this. I know we've
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: talked a lot over the off season about, Hey, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Vikings need to draft a center, they need to sign
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a center. I think last week we talked about them
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: getting a guard or center with some of the thirteen
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: million dollars they have left over. But it does seem
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like the Vikings are willing and happy to roll into
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the season with Brandell as center number one without much competition,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and we have last season to thank for him jumping
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: in there and playing well. But yeah, it is kind
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of concerning that we also saw Walter Rouse and Michael
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Jurgens and Henry Bird and Joe Huber. We saw those
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: guys come in last year quite a bit too at
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: times because of the same injury reasons that Brandell came in.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And we're not also saying, hey, Henry Bird looked great,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you know, We're not saying like, the only one we're
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: talking about that played pretty decent was Brandell at the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: center position. When he was at guard and tackle, it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, about this. He was the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: starting right guard two years ago before they drafted Donovan Jackson.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And there's a reason the Vikings drafted Donovan Jackson is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: because Brandell, for whatever reason, just wasn't up to starter
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: level at right guard. So maybe he's learned it all
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and if they're good with it, I'm good with him
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: at center. But it would have been nice to walk
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: away from last season saying, yeah, I like Brandell, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: totally understand why he's a center, and I'm good with
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: one of the other guys on the list. I just
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: need one, but we don't have that. So we'll see
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: how the the training camp goes. This is another one
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: that we'll be spending a lot of time looking at
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and we'll see tweets like, oh yeah, this guy, he
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: nobody could get around him. He stopped everybody. You or man,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: this guy, he's a turnstile. He lets everybody in. It's
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like the second coming of Dakota Doser. So yeah, hopefully
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: everybody stays healthy. We've actually spent quite a bit of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: time in the last three four or five episodes talking
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: about offensive line and let's just let's just make sure
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: that these five guys are just healthy the whole time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That'd be great.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And they drafted Gavin Gerhart to no relation to Toby Gerhart.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And if it's Tiernan, right, what's his name?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: He's a tackle, he's not listed as a center.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: He was the one that just said, oh well, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: think it's like Jake Tiernan. He was like a third
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: round pick yep from Western Yep, yep, yep. So there's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: there's names there. And Ryan vin de Mark was a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: guy that they poached away from the Bills. They signed
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: him to an offer sheet and the Bills declined to
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: match that. So they've done a little bit at offensive
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: line in general. I was just a little frustrated that
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: they didn't, you know, draft a guy like Logan Jones.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: They've got Vandermark listed as a tackle, they.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so maybe that's why.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And Walter Rowse is also listed as a tackle. So
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you've got Darisaw O'Neill, Rowse and Vandam market tackle and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: then you do have that kind of like ambiguous ol
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: tag Tristan Lee del b Lemieux, Thomas Raimak, and Caleb
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Tiernan okay, which would tell me that they're kind of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: undecided at this point. All four of them are rookies,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and KOC and the rest of the coaching staff they
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: don't know what they are yet and they're trying to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: figure that out. So yeah, that'll be an interesting position
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: group to watch for sure. And it'll be interesting to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: see if and I just looked at his name and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I forgot it already, Gavin Gerhardt, if he makes any
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: noise in training camp and outperforms Blake Brandell. I think
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: at this point it's Brandell's job to lose, oh for sure.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we did that exercise however many episodes ago
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: where we talked about like how many lock starters there
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: are right now, and I one of us. I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you may have even said, like Brandell to you as
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a lock starter, I think he is, And I was like,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, probably he's definitely written in pencil right now,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: but we'll see. I'm more comfortable the deeper we get.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That's why I said it's his position to lose, Like,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's his until he loses it, and if
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't lose it, then it's his. You know, let's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: switch sides of the line here, we'll go to defensive tackle. Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and I didn't realize one that the Vikings had so
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: many defensive tackles, and two that the Viking have like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: probably the best names for their defensive tackles in all
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of football. And then three, the more I think about
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: this particular position group, I think this is the most
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: ambiguous anything like in those first two tiers of the defense.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: To me, especially in Brian Flores's defense, is ambiguous. You've
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: got your front four, but it's not always four, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I think Brian Flores plays more of a three to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: four typically. Oh yeah, he's got a three to four
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: style instead of a four to three. But you still
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: got your front guys, and then you've got your linebackers
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: behind him. It's a very ambiguous group because your linebackers
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: are up on the line a lot, and sometimes you
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: have five guys, sometimes you have six. Sometimes he brings
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the house and you've got nine guys on the line
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage, and you've got Harrison Smith that is blitzing
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and gets a sack like.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And hopefully Harrison comes back crazy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I don't know. For me. Number one, it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: tough to classify some of these guys as true defensive tackles,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: true like nose tackle, plugging up the middle, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: just putting their arms out hoping to grab the running
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: back as they come. Guy kind of position. Some of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: these guys, to me are more linebackers like LDR and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Dustin even says it here, Tyreon Ingrim Jenkins Dawkins, Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I can't say his name. Tyreon Ingram Dawkins could be
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: more of an OLB than a defensive tackle. I don't know.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: There's just a lot of ambiguity there, and it'll be
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: interesting to see how this position shapes up. You only
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: need in a three to four offense, you only need
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: four guys maybe.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or it points out in the article last year
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the Vikings had six of these guys this position, which
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: is that interior defensive lineman. So there's three guys on
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the field and a typical three four and I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: for me, the only one that is really kind of
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: ambiguous is that Tyrian Ingram Dowkins, who it seemed like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in OTA's in mini camp they were kind of trying
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: them out in that edge, that outside linebacker area rather
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: than the inside defensive tackle area. Other than that, the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: rest of these names definitely seem like big, meaty, hefty
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: stoppers in the middle of the line, and if there
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: are really only six and let's do the whole thing
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: where we take out Tyran Ingram Dowkins, there's ten other guys,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: so there's at least four cuts out of here. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: that's that's interesting because you have Jalen Redmond, who might
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: have been the surprise of the roster last year. Basically
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: you aw some.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Like rags to Rich's story, yeah kind of.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And his last year was I mean, he put up
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl type numbers. I don't think he made the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. He definitely didn't, but he put up numbers
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that if you know, and Aaron Donald when he was
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: still playing, had put up those same numbers, it would
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: have been like, oh, yeah, he's a pro bowler, not like, oh,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: give him the awards. He's definitely Defensive Player of the Year,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: but like, oh yeah, that's you know, it's a solid
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: year for a perennial pro bowler. Then first round pick
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: still kind of banged up. We don't know if he's
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: going to be healthy. But Caleb Banks, he's in there healthy.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Caleb Banks is by far and above the number one
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle on this team. He got big Citrus Dominic Orange,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: who's probably the first, one of those fun names that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, el Presidente Levi Drake Rodriguez another fun name.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: He's definitely a defensive tackle to me, he's a big,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: hefty dude. But yeah, there's a lot of names on here,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and there's probably three that I've never heard of. Javari Ritzy.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: He must have been a Udfa Smith, Vilbert, Elijah Williams,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I believe made the roster last year. TAKEI Ti Minnie.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like ty MONI has. I feel like he's
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: been bouncing around the team for many years now. Louder
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Milk Isaiah Loudermilk, who was a former Steeler and a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: late free agent signing for the team and has played
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: pretty substantially for the Steelers. So we'll see if he
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: carves a role out here.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: You know, this list reminds me of this is we're
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: gonna go. Yeah, because you've got like you've got all
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the even like some of the more unassuming names, like
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you've got some like just solid names like Jared Redmond,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Eric Johnson. But yeah, then you get down to Eric Johnson.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: B Yu. I don't know where Eric Johnson went, but.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent what I was thinking of. Yeah,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it's a long list, and it'll be really interesting to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: see how that list evolves.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, Eric Johnson went to Missouri State.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay makes sense.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's just a numbers game. There's a lot
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: of guys there, and I mean sounds let's just assume
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: they'll carry six. But that number changes if Caleb Banks
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: isn't healthy right at the beginning of the season, because
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: he's definitely not a cut guy. But do you put
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: him on the pup list? Does he start off on
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the injured reserve? Does he start off, you know, a
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: little banged up, miss a game or two, but he's
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: still healthy. Like, I feel like what we will learn
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a lot about Caleb Banks in the first week or
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: two of training camp, just if he's on the field. Yep.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: But and I feel like Dominic Orange has a golden
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: opportunity to go in and prove that he's better than
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Caleb Banks. I mean, he act good as Kleb Banks.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Like people are gonna say, well, Caleb Banks was that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: first rounder and Dominic Orange was what a third rounder?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Leave a third round, which is still you should get
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a starter.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And they're still really good. But again, in golden opportunity
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: for the big citrus to go in and just prove like, hey,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I know you drafted me a few rounds after that guy,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: but he's sitting on the bench right now and I'm
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: out here getting the reps and I'm proving why I'm
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: worth more than where you drafted me. So it'll be
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: interesting to see how that all shapes up. And I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: would also just add as like the cherry on top
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to that conversation. That position I think is so important
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in Flores' system because you got to be smart when
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you're playing up front, especially when he brings the house
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and he brings you know, some of those dbs from
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the secondary up to the line. You know, you got
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to know who's going and who's not. And you also
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: have to be listening for the snap count on the
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: other side of the ball and not jump and not
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: get like real skittish when you got little scrawny defensive
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: back next to you, like wait, why is this guy
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: next to me? That never happens? You know, like you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: just got to be smart and focused and make sure
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that you're playing good ball there anyway. If you can
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: do that, you're gonna be super successful. And Brian Flora
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: as a system. Yep, all right, last one here, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: we probably don't need to spend a ton of time
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: on this, but we need a holder for place kicks.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Ryan Wright.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't thinking of him. I was thinking of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Will Rekerd, Will the Thrill. I just had a brain
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: fart for a moment. Will the Thrill needs somebody to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: hold it and hold it well. So that why did
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you laugh at that?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna keep going, going to Yeah, because Ryan
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Wright has been the only holder in the NFL that
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Will Rekerd has known and right obviously signed like a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: fifteen million dollar deal with the Saints. But now yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: he's gone, so Will Rekerd. This might determine the punter's position,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: like who wins the punter job.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Who's the better holder?
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah that if they're even kind of close in punting Woul,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: which is obviously the job number one for this punter
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: is to be able to punt the ball. Obviously, if
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: they're kind of close, I think being able to hold
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the ball well and having that comfort level with Will
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: record will be totally the deciding factor on who earns
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the punting job for the Vikings. Vikings signed Johnny Hecker
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: really early in the off season free agency, and then
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's a UDFA Brett Thorson who played for Georgia.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: He's an Aussie. I think he's from like like the backwoods,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: like the the unpopulated part of Australia, the outback. Yeah yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: back yeah, out back. That's what I was thinking of.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: But if I mean he Dustin's article said that Thorson
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: didn't hold at Georgia, but if he can figure that out,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: which I feel like, if there's anything that an NFL
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: player does that a joe off the street could, if
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they devote enough time and energy and effort into could
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: do well, it'd probably be holding. Like I'm not saying
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it's easy, and I'm not saying I would be good
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: at it, but I feel like if you gave me
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a year and working with the same kicker and snapper,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I might be able to figure it out and at
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: least get comfortable to the point that the kicker is like, yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he does it good every time. So I mean, even
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: if you didn't do it in college, maybe you can
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: learn it. And if it's what's going to separate you
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: winning the job or losing it, you might get good
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: at it. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: And punters never one that I'm super concerned about, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: we would be very concerned if there was a botched
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: hold on a game winning or a game tying extra
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: point like that. That could ruin obviously a game, and
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it could derail a season very well.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Could. Here's what I think we do. I think we
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: build a fifty three man roster. Okay, right now, according
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to your sources, Joannic Eckhart built this fifty three man
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: roster building tool on the vikes Now website. So let's
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: let's play with it a little bit. I'm gonna pull
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: this up here on the screen so you guys can
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: follow along with us here. And what we're gonna do
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: is we'll go position by position and we will go
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: through all of the players that are currently with the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Vikings and we will select players for the roster. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: this is a it's a simple tool, but I like it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty elegant actually because at the top
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it'll tell you how many out of the fifty three
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you have selected already. And like as we've been talking about,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: who will ultimately end up on the roster, and then
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: how many at each position will end up on the roster.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: We just did that with defensive tackle. There's always kind
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of that like, well, they could have this many, but
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: they could have this many. And that's the beauty of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: setting just a kind of a a number, right, like
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you got to you gotta make it work within that number.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And every team has to get their roster down to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: fifty three men. So let's do that, and we'll start
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: with the quarterback position. You've got four guys that are
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: on the list.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't see them adding another quarterback outside
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of injury.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I doubt it. And Jannik has built in just some
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: little intel here next to each player. He's got lock
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: likely or long shot. And then there's even this little
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: info button here we can click if we want to,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: just some bio information on each player, really age experience,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: college jersey number. I'm gonna speak for us. If you disagree,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: let me know, but I'm going to say these three, JJ,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Kyler and Carson. I'll make the fifty three man roster the.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Order that you listed those off into. I did that
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: on purpose, for sure, if you know, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I think as of right, now we can all agree
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are most likely keeping three, and the three
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that they'll keep of the four would be those guys
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I see Brossemeres. Maybe a practice squad guy yep. And
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's probable, but you could never rule
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: out the possibility of like a trade if the Vikings
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: see and I think it would be more like the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Vikings recognize early on, Hey, JJ's the guy, but there's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: still some value in Kyler, and we just know JJ's
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: our guy. If they were comfortable with it, they might
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: trade away Kyler. Like that's the only trade scenario I
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: see if Kyler wins a job. I don't really see
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the Vikings traded away JJ unless some team comes to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: them with like the best offer ever, because I still
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: think there's hope even if JJ loses the job, he'll
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: still be a Viking this year and have a future
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: with the Vikings. But as of right now, I agree
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: with you those three guys for twenty twenty six.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, moving on running back position. Aaron Jones Jordan Mason
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: we already talked to.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe we have to do like a rock paper scissors
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: thing because I see three running backs on the roster
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and I kind of talked about you, said Xavier Scott,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: and I said, demon Claiborne, this isn't going to ruin
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the whole idea. But maybe we do.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: A rock paper or we could flip a coin.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Do we have the coin coin?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: If we had like a cracker Jack like editing team,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: this is where that editor would like posting.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Oh no, beer, oh no, and just play it over
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: and over.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So now I have to do that.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Don't don't give it in the beer? All right? So
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: how are we doing this? I've got Claiborne, You've got Scott, all.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Right, heads, Claiborne, tails, Scott, got it ready? Yep, Well
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: it got caught in my fingers there, it's tails, all right,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Savior scottave Scott will make the roster.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: That's probably about how close it is unless one of
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: them gets injured or has a terrible training camp.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right. So six of the fifty three spots
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: have been taken. Full Back not a spot we talked about,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: but they did draft Max Brettison.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: In like the fifth round. Yeap for a full back
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: if you draft like a kicker, punter full.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Back, and he's kind of like he's longvill like tight end,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: full back, flanker. He's kind of that like flex position
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, Yannik Hasm listed here as likely
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: h I say he makes the roster. Do you agree?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you draft any of those kinds of positions,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I was just mentioning, if you draft them at all,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: there's a really good chance for making the squad because
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: like you don't. You rarely draft a kicker, but if
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you do, he's on your team unless he's terrible.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And he's the CJ. Ham replacement.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you rarely draft a full back, but if
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you do, yeah, especially when you're your Ring of Honor
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: full back for the last ten years just retires, you know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: like yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: All right, Ring of Honor.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we can talk about that. He's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: definitely a Ring of Honor type.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's close for sure. Okay, wide receiver. We
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: talked about this justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Jawan Jennings, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: then there's a whole long list here of other guys.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about him. Here's where I think do
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: they keep five or do they keep six? I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: there's been years where the Vikings have kept teams have
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: kept six on the roster. I think if they keep
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: six then there's really not any question it's Type Felton,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Miles Price, still on Bell, any of the other names.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know Joshawn Jones has been around the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: team on the practice squad for a few years now,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: two or three years. But unless he totally beats out
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: everybody else in camp, I don't see any of those
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: other guys Jones in below from really upset unseating any
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: of the other guys. So really are question here is
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: how many do you think they're going to keep five
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: or six?
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Let's go a six for now, And if we have
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to backtrack because we run out of players, I like
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that we can come back to this. Interestingly enough, Yannick
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: has Dylan Bell listed as a bubble player, but Ty
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Felton and Miles Price are both likely, and that kind
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: of I think plays into my take on some of this.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Of those two guys have the experience, they've been in
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the system, they've played in this offense, they know it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: slightly better than Dylan Bell. Dylan Bell might be really
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: flashy and mini camp and whatnot, and he might be
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: really athletic, and he might be a really, really good
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: addition to the team, but he just hasn't been around,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been in the system.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And he could any I mean really, Felton Price or
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Bell could easily get out played surprisingly by some of
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the other guys below. Yeah, for sure, and that could
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: totally change the whole dynamic. I mean, we could see
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: a Dante Fleming come out and look like the next
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: coming justin Jefferson, Like, anything's possible. But for my money,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: right now, I like what we have selected.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: All right, forty players remaining, we'll move to tight end
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: another position group that we talked about. We talked about
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: TJ and Josh being the locks, and then it's kind
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of anybody's game after that. Ben, you' a sk Kevin Bartholomew,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Bryce and Nesbit. I'm gonna say, Ben, you're asek experience
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: who was on the team, Bartholomew with the injury, Nesbit
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: being a UDFA. I think you said, right, We'll go
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: with your a sec YEP.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I agree. It would really have to be Bartholomew coming
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: in being healthy and really flashing, because I think even
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: he was only like a six round pick last year.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So it's not like we're talking about you know a
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: guy like the the is it crap? Who was the
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Oregon tight end that we were kind of excited about
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: pre draft that ended up going first round too. There
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: was Dylan Thieneman and then Sayer or something like that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyways, either way, we're not saying Bartholomew
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: is like, oh, this first round pick that missed a
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: whole year. He was a drafted guy. But ben y'ersick
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: did come in and play on special teams, which is huge.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Special teams gets a lot of guys jobs. They get
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys' roster spots because you're available, you're there,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: and you have to have special teams so.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: You're a second played on offense too. He didn't just
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: play special teams, so I like his experience. I think
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: he's on the team and Partholomew may be a practice
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: squad guy at least to start the season. And Sealthy and.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I agree, I do see three tight ends here. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: think that's a good number on a roster.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: All right, thirty seven players remaining. We'll move to offensive
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: tackle again. I think part of this is pretty easy.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Darrisaw and O'Neill are locks at that position. And then,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, the tags that they've put here are Ryan Vandermark,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: who you said was from the Bills, and then Caleb
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Tiern and the draft pick. Those two are likely to
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: make the roster according to vikesnow dot com. And then
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: you've got Walter Rowse as a bubble player, and then
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you've got Caleb Etn. Interesting LYE is long shots?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Is that etn or a chan?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I think it'st no.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Remember, because the Saints running back, former Jaguars running back
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Travis Etn, he came out a few months ago. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's actually pronounced a chan, but likely
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: in college everybody just said etn and I stopped correcting people,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: so I over explained that.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But anyways, well, I just think of the Dolphins running
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: back Devin a Change.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, different spelling, and that's.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: That's how I would expect that to be spelled, not
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the way that that is.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: But anyway, look it up.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Anyways. Yeah, one of the questions that has to be
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: asked is how many tackles do they carry on the roster.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: And then again there's a little ambiguity within the offensive line.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Just because they're designated as a tackle doesn't mean that
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: they exclusively play that position. I think that applies to
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Darris and O'Neill. They will only ever be tackles and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you'll probably never see them slide inside ever.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, non on purpose and not for long if not.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Just I think some of these other guys have a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: little bit of flexibility to do, so I'm I would
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: be comfortable with Vandamark and Tiernan, That's what I was
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: gonna say, and calling it good there at the tackle position.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, My personal like framework skeleton of a roster at
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: offensive line is a one and a two at each position.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: So that would work out for tackles, four tackles and
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: then six interior guys There might be five, depending on
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: if you have a solid sixth band that could swing
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: and you don't need to worry about it. But as
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: far as tackle, yeah, I think Ryan Vandermark they spent
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: he's making like three or four million dollars this year.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So for a backup and a guy that you know
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: is going to be a backup when you sign him
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: to that's that's pretty substantial money. And then they drafted
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Tiernan and he was either a third or fourth round
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like he was. That's pretty high to draft a guy
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: that you don't think is gonna make the team at all,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: he would have to really suck it up, while some
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: of the other guys really like played very well. So yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I like what you put down there.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the interior line then, and
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: kind of like we did with pretty much all these
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: other positions, I would I would follow what they've got
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: here on vikesnow dot com. Donovan Jackson, Will Fries, Blake Brandell.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: They're all locks. You said five to six other players,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: so there's two to three other guys that we would
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: lock in here. Who are we going to lock in?
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: So?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I know Michael Jurgens, he's probably listed as center number
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: two right now. I would think that gives him a
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: decent chance before training camp to make the roster. I
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: put his name down. Gavin Gearhart was a drafted guy.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: He asked six round picks, so if he could get
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: outplayed and lose his job to an undrafted or you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: previously on the roster guy. But as of right now,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I think Gerhart is probably pretty safe as long as
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: he has a decent camp. And then for me, there's
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: just one other guy, and who do you go with?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I know Joe Huber. I think he was undrafted last
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: year but got in and played okay for an undrafted guy.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: And I think you probably could say the same thing
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: about Henry Bird. But we just spent a decent chunk
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: of you know, the previous segment talking about how, you know,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: it would have been nice to feel better about some
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: of these names after last season when they got in
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: the in the games and actually had some experience. We
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: don't feel great. So I don't know. This is maybe
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the one area where there's one or two spots that
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: it's a surprise or like, hey a guy just had
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: one better practice or one worse practice, or hey he
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: twists an ankle, he's not ready to go, and we're
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: just more comfortable with another guy. You know.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I think so here's where I'm at. I think
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: we leave this list at five, okay, because we still
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: have to We're at twenty five players out of fifty
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: three right now. We probably need about twenty five players
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: on defense, and then you need your three specialists. You
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: need your kicker, punter, and long snapper.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's probably safe. So yeah, five is probably a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: good number for interior offensive line. So before we get
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: too far, I did look up Ryan Vandermark. I said
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: he was making three four five million dollars. It's four
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: point two of a cap hit, so that's and he's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: on a one year pretty much a one year deal,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: so I wouldn't think he's outside of like a hate crime.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: He's gonna make the roster.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: So anyways, all right.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Let's move to defense. Defensive line. This would be your
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: interior defensive line and your DTS, which was towards the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: end of our conversation there of that article by Dustin
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Jalen Redmond, Caleb Banks, Dominique Orange are all listed as locks.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I would agree.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: With that, and if healthy, those are the guys that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: are gonna be on the field, those are your starters. Yep.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Then it's a really interesting list because you've got Levi
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Drake Rodriguez, You've got tyre On Ingren Dawkins and those
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: are both listed as likely. You've also got Takei Taimani
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: who's played. You've got Isaiah Laudermilk who came from the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Steelers and I think played a decent amount in Pittsburgh.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: So there's some interesting names on this list. And this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: is a really long list, as we've already mentioned again,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: probably five to six guys are gonna be at this
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: position group. We need to pick at least two more.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Who do you think?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say five just for the nature of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the game here. And if if we get done with
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: this and we end up with fifty two players, then
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: maybe we come back to defensive lineman or interior offensive lineman.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say five.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go with these two LDR And.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually gonna go for me, and you can
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: disagree with me if you want LDR. For sure, he's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: the fourth guy. He's the first one in, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: unless he has a great training camp and he usurps
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: dominic Orange, who again, Dominique Orange, who has never played
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: an NFL snap. So let's let's remember that maybe the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: hierarchy really is LDR is higher than even Caleb Banks
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: or Dominique Orange. But either way, those four guys are
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: making it in my mind for sure. And then if
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: they're talking about switching trium Ingram Dowkins, that means they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: don't love him at interior defensive line. So for me,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: he's either moving and performing well as an edge or
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: outside linebacker or he's not making the team. That's enough
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: for me. Elijah Williams made the team last year, and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: louder Milk was a free agent signing. So I almost
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: give the nod to either Williams or louder Milk over
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Ingram Dawkins. But what are your thoughts between those three
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: guys or do you have thoughts on any of the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: other guys.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Kind Of, just to keep par with what I've been saying,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I would probably go with Ingram Dawkins just because he's
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: been on the team and there's some familiarity with the position.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Even if they do switch him to a different position,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: He's familiar with the defensive tackle position. And just because
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: just because you put a guy in that category on
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: your fifty three man doesn't mean you have to play him. Yeah,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: in that category, you know, and if you feel like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you've got depth elsewhere, you know, you can manipulate that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: however you want. The league says you can only have
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: fifty three guys on the roster. It doesn't specify which
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: positions they have to play in how many you have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to have at each position, So I don't know, but
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think otherwise we could that could
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: be that could be. That could be a controversial take
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: in the social media realm.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: All right, so pick one. I don't care who it is.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Pick one more guy on this list, you pick, all right?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: For me, I'm picking louder Milk.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Louder Milk. Okay, there we go.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: We've got but this is also one we can come
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: back to.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we've got five defensive linemen. Let's hit the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: edge rushers. Van Ginkel and Dallas Turner are locks. Yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that, no brainer. There are five
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: other guys on this list. Bo Richter, Tyler Batt each
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: has Chambliss, Cameron Stuart and Arden Walker. I couldn't even
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: begin to tell you how many they keep on the roster.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe one backup for each starter?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I can tell you. I mean
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Bo Richter is probably the I don't know, because he's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: probably the most tenured Viking of the rest of this list,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: But I mean, after Van Ginkele and Turner, for me,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: it almost doesn't matter. This could really be a position
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: where man the final fifty three, the announced one at
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: the end of training camp or the end of preseason.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: How do they only keep Van Ginkle and Turner? They
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: don't have any other outside line or edges, but then
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: that would be one. I wouldn't be surprised if they
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: cut everybody else and then tried to poach from other
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: team's roster cuts to fill that out. I know Richter, Tyler,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Battie Chambliss have spent time with the team. I'm not
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: sure about Cameron Stewart and Arden Walker. But actually, fun fact,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: in that whole nine meme that goes around and they
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: replace JJ's head with everybody else's head, there's a Vikings
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: player in the background and his face is showing and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: it's Bo Richter, So he's like the most accidental famous
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Viking there is right now. But yeah, I would say
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: if they kept any of the other guys, it'd be
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Bo Richter. But I could totally see them clearing out
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: that room. And maybe that's why they're looking at Tyry
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: and Ingram Dowkins in that position. It might be more
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of we need to fill that room out less than oh,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: he doesn't look good as an interior defensive lineman. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: don't know, but maybe we just go back to DL
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: keep Ingram Dowkins and then only keep Van Ginkel and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner and then just see how it goes from there.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna take at least one more
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: guy off this list. And I was just clicking back
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: over to the current Vikings roster on their website right
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: now and just looking at Cameron Stewart is a rookie.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Arden Walker as a rookie. That would make me believe
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: that neither of those two are probably solid candidates. I mean,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you're talking about to get a roster spot with injured
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Van Ginkele and Dallas Turner, Like, yeah, they're really really
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: good at their positions. Pretty sure.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Van Ginkle's earned an All Pro definitely a Pro Bowl.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner was, you know, a first round draft pick
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: that the Vikings basically traded a whole draft away to get.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're already taking too much time on this. I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: think let's let's do Bo Richter. I think he got
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: more snaps than any of the other guys, yep, any
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: of the other three that were on the roster last year,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: And we can come back to this and fill in.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I would probably say Tyler Batti's the next one, ye guess,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: But let's go to linebacker and see what we can
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: do here. Okay, Cashman Wilson Golday was the draft.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Pick, YEP, second rounder. He's and he's making the team.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say I've been paid. Junior makes the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: team too. It says likely, but I'm gonna go with
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: it like there's there's really no there's no feasible way
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the Vikings don't keep I've been paid Junior.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm double negative. Unless they were able to they
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: decided they didn't want him, and you know we're able
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: to get a trade for him. But I see him
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: making the team this year. I think he just had
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: one down year with the Vikings. Yeah, he lost his
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: his role to Eric Wilson, but he's still an experienced
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: linebacker that has proven, you know, good plays. It's just
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and I think a hiccup last year.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Your linebackers and your safeties are the Swiss army knifs
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: in Brian Flores scheme. You gotta be smart, you gotta
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: be good, and you gotta be willing to just kind
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: of go anywhere on the field.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, anybody else from this list. I'm comfortable with this.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: I think four is good, all right, cornerback, I see five.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: That five is the number I have in my brain.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: For linebacker or corner.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: But I mean if you had different option or different
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: number in your head, that's that's fine too.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Well. Byron Murphy Junior, Isaiah Rodgers, those are probably your
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: starting corners.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: James Pierre I think was the first free agent the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Vikings signed. Yeah, it might have been definitely one of
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: the first.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, So we can put him on there, and then
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I gotta do just a little bit of research here
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: on these other guys that I don't really know well.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Demings Charles Demings was a draft pick, okay, and one
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: that once he was drafted, kind of like Demon Claiborne.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I saw, you know, Vikings knowledge Twitter and people who
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: know ball when they drafted Demings, they were like, Okay,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: this is a guy, this is perfect for Flores' defense.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: So just off of hype alone on Twitter, I would
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: say Demings is probably making the roster. Okay, again, that's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: where all my knowledge about him comes from. And I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: would say Dwight mclothern is making the roster too. I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: know he didn't splash really last year, but he played
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit, I think, and we could go back,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: you could probably pull up his stats pretty quickly. I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: don't know, is there another name on that list that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: you were thinking over Dwight mclothern. I don't know about over,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: but like I just think one of those guys is
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: gonna make it. So it's probably the guy with the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: best camp. So if right now we click Dwight mcglothern
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: just because he's been on the team for a little bit,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: that's fine with me. But like it could be, you know,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: the guy that got one more interception in training camp,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: or maybe he just picked up on the playbook a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: little bit better. So after you know, Murphy, Rogers, Pierre
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: and Deming's, it really could be anybody for me, and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I'd be like.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, like let's just go with mcgloth I'm.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Good with mclothern. He's he's definitely got experience with the Viking.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Something interesting over on the right side here, it looks
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like each category, each position group turns green when you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: hit I think an ideal number of players that I've selected,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and it it's telling us that we still need to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: pick another edge, okay, or maybe two edge, Like we
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: we underpicked at that position?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: How many did we select?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: We picked three?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Just click another one and see if it turns green
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: on That kind of makes sense numbers wise, So yeah,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: we're good. We just added Tyler Baddie to that.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tyler Baddy back to the edge to get
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: us in the green for all position groups over here
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: on the right. So now we're down to safety. Mattellus
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: will easily make the team. I think Jay Ward Theo
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Jackson easily make the team.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: And then Jacoby Thomas for me, at least, he was
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the draft pick that he He's got the highlights, he
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: hits hard, people were excited about him. If we're just
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: going off Twitter hype after the draft, I think he's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: he's definitely making the team. And then there's Tabier Thomas.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Khalif Alassie, and Jacob Thomas.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know Tavi or Thomas. He was
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: re signed pretty early in free agency as well, but
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I remember his name because he definitely called back at
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: least one of Miles Price's return touchdowns for a like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: holding penalty or something which people make mistakes. You know,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not perfect either, but I mean that's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: that's a tough thing to remember. I think they keep
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: four safeties, maybe five, just because of that Swiss army
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: knife feature, a factor that you mentioned earlier. For the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: for the nature of this game right now, we're kind
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: of taking out the whole Harrison Smith of it. All right,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: It's true because Harrison Smith coming back. I don't I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: think he keep five without him coming back. Maybe you
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: just keep these four. In my mind, I don't know
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: if that's enough to keep Tyvi or Thomas over another
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: edge or something.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Let's put Tavi or Thomas on there, because we're still
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: we have five players remaining, with only your special teams left,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and you only need three players there because the rest
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: of your special teams is going to come from the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: other players on your roster. So let's put our specialists
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: in there. It's probably gonna be REIKERD and Depaula. And
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: then who do you think wins the punting battle? You know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: is this a coin flip?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: This might be a coin flip. It might be the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: better punter, It might be whoever holds better. Do you
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: have any specific opinions?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking Johnny Hecker.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my my gut leans towards Thorson just based
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: off of like Age and Eva the coin and Hecker
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: he was really good for a while, but I think
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: his last couple of years has been okay, So let's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: flip it heads is tails Hecker? All right, It's all right, Hecker,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: you win both of these.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: I did win both.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: But again I think that one comes down to maybe
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: it's not even like only punting. It's holding is gonna
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: be a big part of this, and I think will
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Rekord's opinions, they're gonna ask him, Hey, if it's even
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: at all, they might say, like, what do you think
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: about the holding? Who's done well? Who are you more
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: comfortable with? They're not keeping two punters, So we'll see
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: how this plays out.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: We've got two more sposter spots on the roster. What
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: are we gonna go back and add?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: So I think we talked about going back to interior
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman. We talked about going back to Did we
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: talk about defensive lineman? Probably, and then we had talked
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: about edge. But I think so there we've got two
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: more spots. I think we for defensive linemen. Did we
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: leave off Tyrian Ingram Dowkins, Yes, we did. If we
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: have a spot, I think we keep him, okay, because
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: there is the only reason I left him off was
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: the question mark of does he move? Does he stay?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Is he good? Because they're trying to move him? I
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: So for me, I just had another reference popp into mind.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Is he tah? Is he hefty? Is he coming back?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: You don't know that. I don't know that one.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I think it was like an sn L one.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Oh wait is it? Uh no, Grace Kelly? Yeah, Grace,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Grace Kelly, you got boyfriend?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Is tall? Is he hefty? Is he coming back? Oh?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: You like Mike?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: And I can I get your number? All right?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: That was such a derailment. Anyways, Okay, where were we?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: We're keeping Tyree on Ingram doc. Yeah, yeah, I don't
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: disagree with that. He's been on the team. Your point
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: was interesting about well, if they're thinking about moving him,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: maybe that means he's not very good.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: But it could also, like I said, be just more
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: about they need help elsewhere and he's the most like
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: candidate to fill it in.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it plays out. And then I think
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the other position we talked about was offensive.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Lineman, interior offensive line.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we kept five and just off numbers. I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: think a one in a two at each position makes
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: me Austin feel comfortable, But that doesn't mean I'm not
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: an NFL coach, so I'm not one making these decisions.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: But I think again, when you get into those dog
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: days of November December and you're fighting for every win,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you want the depth, even just to give guys a break.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Even if they're healthy, they're just gassed and you don't
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: want them to get hurt. You put one of these
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: backups out there for a series or so, just to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: give your starters a break and keep them fresh. Who
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: are we gonna take If we're gonna take another interior
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman, we're gonna take Bird or Huber?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: So I think it was cornerback. I was saying, like,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna keep five, and we chose four,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: and then that fifth one. I was saying, like, it's
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: it's really who has the best camp. So that's kind
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: of how I feel here. We've got Donovan Jackson, Will Fries,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Blake brendelas those starters in the interior, and then Michael
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Jurgens and Gavin gar Hart as you know, first backups
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: so far. So those are definitely names I would choose.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: The other guys I'm in real life. You know, I'm
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm good with whatever the coaches think have the best camp.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Whoever's better, I don't know. It's either Henry Bird or
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Joe Hubert, and I'm good with either. We'll just pick
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Henry for now, all right, just because he's higher on
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the list. In the website ooh, plot twist, it says
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: click to see your results, So I think has built
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: in like depending on this well a rating, but it
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: also like, because I did this earlier on my own,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: it like judges you and gives you a a like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: a a tag, and it would say something. The one
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: I got earlier was basically like chalk. It was like, yep,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: you picked who the the roster that most Vikings fans
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: probably think is gonna be. I think if you picked
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: all of the guys that said not likely or whatever,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: it would say like, oh, you're crazy, like you picked
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: one dream Yeah yeah, pipe dream, something like that. So
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: we'll probably get Chalk just based on who we picked.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: But I'm interested to see drum roll.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shock Builder built the roster most fans would expect
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: average age twenty six point eight, twenty six offensive players,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: twenty four defense, so we were a little more offensive
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: heavy three special teamers, biggest calls. We kept ben Yurasek,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: kept bou Richter, and we kept seven rookies.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Hm.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so here's our roster. We're still screencasting this. I
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: know it's a little small, but you can see pretty
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: much all of it right here over on the left
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: hand side. Let us know if you agree, disagree, who
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you would keep, who you would dump. Yeah in go
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: to bikes now and build your own roster.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: I think we might be able to share this.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: I think it would let us like tweet it out
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: or like share it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Out, share results card.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I would give you a file. Maybe if we can
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: figure it out, we'll try to tweet out what our
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: skull hop roster would be, and then maybe if we
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: have differing opinions, Evan and I will make our own
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: rosters and set that one out too, So keep your
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: eyes peeled. I don't know if we're gonna be able
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: to figure that out, but if we can, we'll do it.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: And then if we do, definitely comment let us know
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: if you think we're crazy, if you have a hot take, like,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: oh man, they're definitely not keeping this guy, we'll see.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: It'll be really interesting. I think this is definitely a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: pivotal training camp and has been a pivotal off season
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: for the Vikings outside of like quarterback. I think if
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: the Vikings had like a a Kirk Cousins, you know,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: like a regular Pro Bowl type guy at quarterback, I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people would be saying, Hey, the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: rest of this roster and coach and the assistant coaches, like,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be a team. Like I think there's
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of reason to be excited about this team,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of yucked up by the way last
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: season started and how it all went and the way
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: QB one kind of looked.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: So I like that word yucky.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yucked it up. It really it really gunked it
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: up and got in there. But I think this roster
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: like you just need a little elbow grease. You need
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: to buff it up a little bit, give it a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: little shine, give it a little TLC. Just a little bit,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: and that's not far. I mean, the NFL is perfect
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: for being a sport where a team can go. I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: think the Patriots were literally last in their division and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: then they made the Super Bowl, made it to the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl this past year, so you never know, and
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: if everybody's healthy, and you get lucky on a couple
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: of guys quarterback positions, specifically this this team can do
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: some stuff.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: The opt mystic vibes are high right now. Hopefully they
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: stay that way. It'll be really interesting to see a
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: who makes the team and then be how that team
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: performs down the stretch of the season. One thing I'm
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: really optimistic one is this beer.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Right here, and this is so good.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Solid beer. We say it a lot. I don't usually
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: follow through when I say, oh, I'm definitely getting this
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: one again, mostly just because we try a new beer
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: every week and we try to keep it fresh and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: different and not drink the same beer every week. Excuse me,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: this is one that I think I'm gonna have to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: go back and get again. It's so good.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times, in various conversations
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: in the last like two weeks, I have talked to
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: different people, mostly guys, saying like, man, we are so
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: close to football, or they'll be like I'm so ready
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: for football and we'll just talk about it for fifteen minutes,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: and like that's happened times in the last two weeks.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: To me, this beer is the beer equivalent of man,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I'm so ready for the people. This is a fall beer,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: the red ale, the full flavor, six percent, not too crazy.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think I gave it a lawnmower scale.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: You didn't, I think, what would you say?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna qualify this one a little bit.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: I'm talking lawnmower maybe like the last MO of the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: year where you're throwing a sweat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: a little chili. Maybe there's there was frost on it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: this morning, you know, one of the last few mos
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: of the year. You're coming in and you're you're drinking
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: a few of these. This is a solid seven point
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: zero on the lawnmower scale. Best during the the later
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: mods of the year. And of course we live in Iowa,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: so there's there's a season. Some places they mow all
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: year long because they have to, not us that. We
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: definitely stop after a little bit. Usually around Halloween time
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: is the last moo of the year. Yeah, that time
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: of the year. Now, if it's July fourth and I'm
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: mowing the lawn, this one's a little too flavorful. It's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: a little too maulty for me. But just overall, I'm
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: gonna give it a solid seven point zero.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: We are past the fourth of July, yes, and we are.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: We're looking towards football season.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: The corn is like chest high. It's not knee high anymore.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: The corn is like head high. It's taller than we are,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I think at this point.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: So I was just going off knee high by the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: fourth of July.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: It's always taller than Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a fun phrase.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: But anyways, I liked this beer, yes, a lot. Highly recommend,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Gazelleg You did a great job.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: They always do.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You need to make more beers like this, and just
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: make this beer, just like, stop making all of your
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: other beers on, just make this one.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: We've got some other great beers here.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I like other beers, all right, all right, that's fair.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: But if you only made this beer from now on,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: I would buy it.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Evan would be one of your few. I'd buy it
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: the keg. I'd get a caggurator, put it in my basement. Gazelic,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: if you want to send us a caggurator. We do
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: have a skoll Hop Skullman Center fridge that is dead.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: It's just a shelf now for like a year. Yeah, Gazelic,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: we will. I will get your logo tattooed on me somewhere.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: If you want to send us a caggurator, we'll even
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: buy the keg. You know, you just send us a cagurator.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: That'd be Fine's a fair deal, that's the I totally agree,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: and I don't have to talk to my wife at
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: all about that. But I would get your logo tattooed,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: not on my face, but probably anywhere else. Evan. If
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Gazelig wants to reach out to us to get this
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: deal worked out, or if anybody wanted to reach out
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: to us, how could they find us?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Probably the best way to like directly contact us is
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: send us an email the school Hop at gmail dot com. Yeah,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: but you can go to Facebook, Twitter, We're out there
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: the school Hop. We've also got a website, the school
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Hop dot com. You can find us pretty much any where.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Just google us anywhere that we've got podcasts can go
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: there and find us there too. YouTube and Spotify are
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the primary places that we we go, but we also
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: hopefully get that podcast out to a lot of other Yeah.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I think to double check that connection out there. It's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: been a while, but I think.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Should audit that at some point. Yeah, but anyways, we're
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: out there. Find us. You can google us, connect with us,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: send us a message. We'll find a sticker somewhere in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: this magical drawer of things that we have. We'll send
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: it to you if you want one of those. We
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: also have some merch out there. We've got teapublic dot
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: com stores. If you go to tea Public, just search
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: for the school hop and you'll find some designs with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: like our logo and stuff on it that you can
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: buy if you want to support us that way as well.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: We don't make a ton of money off of that.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: It's just get just the brand recognition. But yeah, this beer, man,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I wanted to last forever. Like I'm I'm nursing this thing,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: lion old Richie style.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: If you're like Marshall night long, oh man, you're like
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Marshall Erickson looking for the perfect burger, this might be
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: the perfect beer that is high praise.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: It's really good, all right, man.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: This was obviously a great beer, really great episode.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Might say the best episode yet maybe.
• 1:26:24
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• 1:27:14
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• 1:27:29
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