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The Kenny Report | 7 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Australia's climate-driven self-harm hits a
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  Speaker 2: new level with the High Court delivering a crazy blow
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  Speaker 2: against one of our largest export industries. Three years on
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  Speaker 2: from October the 7th, anti-Israel hatred runs amok as our
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  Speaker 2: leaders fail to learn any lessons from years of weakness.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get a local perspective and we'll cross to Israel
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  Speaker 2: as well. While all this goes on, our Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: is yucking it up at a climate talk fest in
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the grown-ups?
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  Speaker 2: And Justin and Jamie join us for the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. This is a sickening day for
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  Speaker 2: this country, three years on from the October the 7th
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  Speaker 2: atrocities in southern Israel. People gathered at Bondi Beach early
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  Speaker 2: this morning, always a place of fun and happiness, but
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  Speaker 2: now forever stained also as a terror site, victim to
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  Speaker 2: the same hatred that unleashed itself on Israel three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: One of those murdered was an Australian. Galit, carbon.
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  Speaker 4: was 66 and lived at Kibbutz Beiri. When the terrorists
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  Speaker 4: reached her safe room, she was on the phone to
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  Speaker 4: her daughter.
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  Speaker 3: She hung up so that her daughter would not hear
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  Speaker 3: what came next. Her last act was an act of love.
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  Speaker 3: The trauma of that day will be with us for
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  Speaker 3: all eternity.
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  Speaker 5: Looking away is not an option and on this day,
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  Speaker 5: Can I just say shame on you to the people
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  Speaker 5: who hold.
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  Speaker 6: Protests on this day of all days. Remembering is hard.
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  Speaker 6: It hurts. I can see it in the looks on
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  Speaker 6: your faces today.
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  Speaker 5: But remembering is how we refuse to let hatred have.
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  Speaker 6: The final word. It is how we tell the families
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  Speaker 6: of the murdered, the hostages and the survivors that they
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  Speaker 6: meant it.
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  Speaker 2: Every day since those October the 7th atrocities has brought
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  Speaker 2: foreboding because from the very day afterwards, some of our
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  Speaker 2: fellow citizens celebrated. They celebrated slaughter, rape, torture and kidnapping.
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  Speaker 1: Just appalling. And they did it because the victims were Israeli.
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  Speaker 2: Every day since, extremists have blamed the victims and they've
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  Speaker 2: been joined by activists from the hard political left, egged
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  Speaker 2: on by leftist media like our publicly funded ABC and SBS,
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  Speaker 2: and encouraged by the weasel words and shameful actions of
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  Speaker 2: our national government. The movement has thrived on lies and half-truths,
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  Speaker 2: demonising Israel and legitimising its enemies. So let me start
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  Speaker 2: today with a reminder of what Hamas and other Gazans
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  Speaker 2: did on that Saturday morning. At dawn, they attacked young
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  Speaker 2: people at a music festival. People who'd partied all night
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  Speaker 2: celebrating peace and love. At first light, it saw hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of them killed, women raped, shot at point blank, their
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  Speaker 2: bodies defiled. Last year, I visited that site. I walked
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  Speaker 2: among those trees. Australian eucalypts. and I saw the remnants
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  Speaker 2: and I heard the stories. I've spoken to survivors, heroes,
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  Speaker 2: parents of hostages. And I've seen the videos, seen much
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  Speaker 2: of what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Too much.
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  Speaker 2: I can't unremember it. And I can't relay the worst
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  Speaker 2: of it on air to you. It's a level of
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  Speaker 2: depravity beyond the grasp of most of us. The videos
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  Speaker 2: were shot by security cameras and by the terrorists themselves.
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  Speaker 2: because they live-streamed their barbarity. They were proud of it.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to one terrorist on the phone to his parents
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  Speaker 2: back in Gaza.
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  Speaker 7: Unthinkable.
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  Speaker 1: They're not freedom fighters. They're not fighting for a state.
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  Speaker 2: Children were killed in front of their parents and parents
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  Speaker 2: were killed in front.
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  Speaker 1: Of their children.
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  Speaker 2: Like little Daria, who saw her father shot dead with
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  Speaker 2: his partner in their house and then was on the
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  Speaker 2: phone to her mother a long way away while the
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  Speaker 2: little girl hid with her little brother.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think she's dead? Yes, I think she's dead.
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  Speaker 8: Does he know?
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't know.
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  Speaker 10: Does he know?
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't know.
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  Speaker 11: Thankfully, in this case, little Daria and.
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  Speaker 12: Her brother Lavi were rescued hours.
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  Speaker 13: Later by a family friend, and the next day.
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  Speaker 11: They were reunited with their mother.
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  Speaker 8: But others, in fact, 1,285 others, had their.
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  Speaker 11: Lives cut short, brutally, all because of hatred.
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  Speaker 9: Who could ever forget the Bibas family?
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  Speaker 1: We saw their plight in those first hours.
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  Speaker 2: Behind one house, they find a terrified mother trying to
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  Speaker 2: protect her children.
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  Speaker 1: It was very clear.
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  Speaker 13: This is my cousin, Shiri, and the two little children.
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  Speaker 13: Kfir is nine months old and Ariel is four years old.
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  Speaker 13: Being held by Hamas, there is blood on the blanket,
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  Speaker 13: there is blood on the kidnappers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, young mother Shiri Bibas and her boys Ariel, four,
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  Speaker 2: and Kafir, nine months old. We hoped for weeks, then
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  Speaker 2: for many months, for their freedom, for humanity to prevail.
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  Speaker 2: What sort of monsters would kidnap a woman and her
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  Speaker 2: babies and keep them hostage?
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  Speaker 1: And why weren't world leaders pleading their case daily?
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  Speaker 2: But we learned more than a year later that Sheree
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  Speaker 2: and her boys were dead, murdered within weeks of their kidnapping.
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  Speaker 2: Their father Yarden was held separately and eventually released. And
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  Speaker 2: then we had the grotesque Hamas spectacle as they handed
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  Speaker 2: over the Bibas family bodies in one of their horrific
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  Speaker 2: propaganda ceremonies, facilitated by authorities, allowing the terrorists to dictate
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  Speaker 2: terms and parade their victims before crowds of Gazans. This
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  Speaker 2: is the Islamist extremist hatred that so much of the media,
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  Speaker 2: political and academic world wants to ignore, as they focus
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  Speaker 2: instead on demonising Israel and pretending that this is all
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  Speaker 2: about Palestinian aspirations for statehood.
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  Speaker 1: What nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Israel had been out of Gaza for 18 years. The
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians could have turned it into a shining light of
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  Speaker 2: their aspiration.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, they turned it into a terrorist badland. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: how the ABC reports all this even today.
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  Speaker 8: This week marks three years since Hamas launched its deadly
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  Speaker 8: surprise dawn attacks on Israel, with fighters pouring over the
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  Speaker 8: Gaza fence line and targeting Israeli communities in that border area.
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  Speaker 8: Around 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage.
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  Speaker 1: They're fighters now? Hamas were not terrorists?
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  Speaker 2: They were fighters? Who were they fighting? Old couples at
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  Speaker 2: their breakfast tables? Were they fighting a nine-month-old boy and
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  Speaker 2: his four-year-old brother? Were they fighting the boy's mother? What
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  Speaker 2: sort of a fight is that? Were they fighting girls
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  Speaker 2: dancing with their friends? And why did they rape them
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  Speaker 2: and defile their bodies? Was that fighting too? The ABC
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  Speaker 2: is a disgrace trying to sanitise these terrorists today and
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  Speaker 2: as some sort of legitimate fighters.
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  Speaker 1: And what about this?
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  Speaker 14: Three years ago, Hamas launched its deadly October 7 attacks,
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  Speaker 14: killing around 1,200 people in Israel. Health authorities in Gaza
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  Speaker 14: say more than 74,000 Palestinians have died in the grinding
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  Speaker 14: war that followed. Israelis are today pausing to remember the
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  Speaker 14: devastating chain of events and reflect on the nation's political
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  Speaker 14: leadership in the lead up to elections.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Today is about 74,000 people killed in years of warfare?
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  Speaker 1: But that includes the terrorists. Are we mourning them too?
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  Speaker 2: And what was this devastating chain of events? It was
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist attack, large and horrific because it was designed
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  Speaker 2: to trigger a war. It was designed to draw Israel
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  Speaker 2: into Gaza so that if 74,000 were killed, all those
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  Speaker 2: who were not terrorists, and we know tragically many thousands
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  Speaker 2: of innocents must have been killed, then they too are
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  Speaker 2: victims of Hamas. The extremist group that started the war
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  Speaker 2: hid behind civilians and still refuses to lay down its arms.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if the world had.
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  Speaker 2: Put all the pressure on Hamas for three years, put
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  Speaker 2: the blame where it belongs. Imagine if the world had
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  Speaker 2: done that instead of trying to appease Hamas by recognising
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  Speaker 2: Palestine and by amplifying its propaganda and lies. Imagine the
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  Speaker 2: difference that might have made, the lives that might have
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  Speaker 2: been saved. This country, Australia, was changed by October the
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  Speaker 2: 7th in an instant.
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  Speaker 1: We realised this back then and we warned about it.
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  Speaker 2: Three years ago on this program, the first one we
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  Speaker 2: ran after the attacks.
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  Speaker 13: I was always afraid of dying at that moment.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't... Yeah, and while that family deals with that
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  Speaker 2: senseless and soulless trauma, there are celebrations back on the
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  Speaker 2: streets of Sydney. Right here among us, we see mainly men,
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  Speaker 2: but some women and children too, joining in this sickening
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  Speaker 2: festival of hate. The promoters of this bile ought to
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  Speaker 2: face the full force of.
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  Speaker 1: Our anti-terror laws.
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  Speaker 2: We're a tolerant nation, but we shouldn't tolerate This savage intolerance,
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  Speaker 2: joy in slaughter, pride in the killing of innocents, elation
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  Speaker 2: at the kidnapping of children and the cold-blooded murder of families.
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  Speaker 2: Our fellow citizens, how do we reconcile this level of hatred?
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  Speaker 2: In Sydney tonight, there's been a pro-Palestine rally, a rally
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  Speaker 2: to promote the.
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  Speaker 1: Cause of the perpetrators of this atrocity. Get your head
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  Speaker 1: around that.
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  Speaker 2: And Jewish Australians are being warned to stay away from
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  Speaker 2: the lighting up of the Sydney Opera House to express
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  Speaker 2: support for Israel. Instead, the Palestinian protesters have turned up there.
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  Speaker 1: What are we becoming?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even back then, on Monday, the 9th of October 2023,
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  Speaker 2: you could see where this was going, where it always goes.
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  Speaker 2: Only strength can prevail. Israel will have to root out
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  Speaker 2: Hamas door by door. But just you wait, within days,
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  Speaker 2: there'll be more criticism of Israel than of Hamas. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the reason I show you this is to highlight the
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  Speaker 2: fact that all this was evident, was obvious at the start.
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  Speaker 2: The fact the warnings continued ever since as well, well,
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  Speaker 2: that takes away any excuses from our governments and our
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  Speaker 2: weak leaders.
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  Speaker 1: Where was their moral clarity? Where is it now? And
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  Speaker 1: after the.
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  Speaker 2: Opera House shame, here's what we said the following night
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  Speaker 2: on October the 10th. They lacked the strength to stand
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  Speaker 2: up for our values. They allowed protesters ostensibly supporting Palestine,
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  Speaker 2: but actually celebrating Hamas terrorist depravity. They allowed these hateful
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  Speaker 2: bigots to dictate their own terms in our largest city.
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  Speaker 2: The police dragged away two people who dared to take
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  Speaker 2: Israeli flags to the city. The Israel supporters were threatened
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  Speaker 2: with arrest. while the police protected and supported people flying
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  Speaker 2: the flag of Palestine and cheering the bloodthirsty deeds of
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  Speaker 2: an evil Islamist terrorist group. I'll show you this and
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  Speaker 2: I warn you, it's distressing. Chanting against Israel, against Australia
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  Speaker 2: and against common decency.
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  Speaker 15: Where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 16: Where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 11: Where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 1: F * * * the Jews!
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  Speaker 2: Now, this makes most Australians almost physically ill. It was
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  Speaker 2: all clear at the start the leadership was missing, the
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  Speaker 2: moral clarity was missing. New South Wales Premier Chris Minns
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  Speaker 2: has since admitted his errors and apologised, trying to show
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  Speaker 2: stronger leadership. Anthony Albanese is yet to do so, yet
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  Speaker 2: to show any spine. As I've said many times since
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  Speaker 2: that horrible weekend, his weakness has imperiled our country. There
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  Speaker 2: is a direct line from October 7 to December 14, 2025,
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  Speaker 2: at Bondi, where he saw a mass terror attack on
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  Speaker 2: our shores, targeting Jewish Australians and killing 15 people. And
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  Speaker 2: yet tonight, in our largest cities, even now, our weakness
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  Speaker 2: and vulnerability is laid bare. Pro-Palestinian protesters are gathering, claiming
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  Speaker 2: to commemorate the Palestinian victims of war in Gaza. But
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  Speaker 2: the date they've chosen only insults the victims of October
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  Speaker 2: the 7th and all who seek to commemorate them. That
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  Speaker 2: we have such division in our country is not only
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  Speaker 2: a matter of deep shame and regret.
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  Speaker 1: It's disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: It threatens our social cohesion, our wellbeing and our security.
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  Speaker 2: We're a country desperately in need of leadership, but we've
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  Speaker 2: had none now for.
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  Speaker 1: At least three years.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more on all of that later in the
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  Speaker 2: program and we'll cross to Israel, but now I want
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  Speaker 2: to move on to domestic politics and the idiocy of
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  Speaker 2: this nation, the deliberate national self-harm, the way this country
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  Speaker 2: disadvantages itself and its citizens all in the name of
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  Speaker 2: pretending to save the planet. Well, it could be no
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  Speaker 2: more stark than it is today. While our obtuse Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister and his sidekick Chris Bowen are yucking it up
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  Speaker 2: in the Pacific, pushing out a bunch of alarmist nonsense
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  Speaker 2: about climate change, hurting us now, they say, pretending they
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  Speaker 2: can change the temperature with their policies and splurging tens
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  Speaker 2: of millions of your tax dollars at the same time. Well,
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  Speaker 2: while they do that, back home, this woke climate agenda
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  Speaker 2: continues to drive an economic crisis. We know they've destroyed
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  Speaker 2: our energy grid, undermining its reliability, pushing prices to record highs,
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  Speaker 2: price rises that have driven businesses to the wall and
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  Speaker 2: pushed industries to the brink, demanding billions of dollars in
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  Speaker 2: extra government bailouts. And while that unfolds, the climate madness
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  Speaker 2: pushed by Labor, the Greens and the Teals has manifested
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  Speaker 2: itself in a High Court decision today that threatens one
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  Speaker 2: of our greatest export industries. The High Court has upheld
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  Speaker 2: a decision that bans a coal mine expansion in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales' Hunter Valley on the basis of what the
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  Speaker 2: emissions generated when that coal is burned overseas, what they
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  Speaker 2: will allegedly do to the global climate. Yet a coal
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  Speaker 2: mine banned because of climate alarmism. This is all of
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  Speaker 2: a piece with the madness we've seen from governments state
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  Speaker 2: and federal, for years on climate change politics, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: How much would this Mount Pleasant coal mine expansion change
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  Speaker 2: the climate? What difference can it possibly make if global
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  Speaker 2: emissions are rising anyway? Without that mine's emissions, would the
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  Speaker 2: climate be cooling, warming or staying the same? What difference
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  Speaker 2: will banning the mine make to the climate? How many
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  Speaker 2: degrees Celsius up or down will this decision deliver? And
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  Speaker 2: how many more millimetres of rain or less? More floods
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  Speaker 2: or fewer? More bushfires or less? And when will all
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  Speaker 2: this happen? It's all absurd, of course, while many like
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  Speaker 2: to pretend there is no scientist that can even guess
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  Speaker 2: at the answers to those questions. And so now we
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  Speaker 2: undermine coal mining. our second largest export industry, a $ 90
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  Speaker 2: billion a year industry because of emotional, unscientific climate alarmism
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  Speaker 2: and illegal posturing. And what's our coal used for? Well,
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  Speaker 2: largely to smelt our largest export, iron ore, into steel.
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  Speaker 2: And largely to power industry as well, so that countries
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  Speaker 2: like China, South Korea and Japan can go ahead with
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  Speaker 2: their emissions, make a fortune out of our resources and
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  Speaker 2: sell stuff back to us, like solar panels and electric cars.
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  Speaker 2: And if they don't get coal from us, they'll just
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  Speaker 2: buy dirtier coal from Indonesia. So every country wins except us.
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  Speaker 2: We're killing out economic prospects in order to reduce carbon emissions,
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  Speaker 2: even while the rest of the world increases emissions, enjoying
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  Speaker 2: the prosperity that comes from their actions.
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  Speaker 1: Our economic partners and.
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  Speaker 2: Strategic rivals, let's say the communist giant of China, well,
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't be happier, could they? Because the harm we
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  Speaker 2: do to ourselves only helps them. Every dollar we shut
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  Speaker 2: out of our economy, every job and industry we reject.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they snap it up. And guess what?
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  Speaker 2: None of our actions make a single jot of difference
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  Speaker 2: to the climate. That's the indisputable scientific fact as global
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  Speaker 2: emissions continue to rise. We are our own worst enemy.
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  Speaker 2: And this Albanese Labor government is the first in our
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  Speaker 2: nation's history to unquestionably weaken the nation, lower our standard
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  Speaker 2: of living and set us up for failure and hardship
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  Speaker 2: long into the future. Let's go live to Canberra now
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  Speaker 2: and catch up with the Shadow Health Minister, Anne Ruston.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Anne.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to get your reaction first up to that
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  Speaker 2: High Court decision. This is our second largest export industry
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  Speaker 2: and we've now got a High Court, we've got our
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  Speaker 2: legal system telling us that we can't effectively export anything
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  Speaker 2: that's going to create emissions overseas.
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  Speaker 17: Well, I mean, the craziness of this is the fact that,
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  Speaker 17: you know... The sovereign risk that this presents to our
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  Speaker 17: nation when it comes to our own prosperity is so huge.
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  Speaker 17: But I think the thing that is more terrifying, Chris,
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  Speaker 17: is the fact that this coal mine was originally approved
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  Speaker 17: in 2022. So some four years later, we have spent
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  Speaker 17: the last four years with lawfare preventing this coal mine
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  Speaker 17: from proceeding. And so, you know, we have got laws
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  Speaker 17: in this country that are basically stopping this country in
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  Speaker 17: its tracks. And it's about time that Anthony Albanese, in
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  Speaker 17: this case Chris Minns, actually looked at the laws of
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  Speaker 17: the state and the nation to make sure that they
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  Speaker 17: are in the best interests of this nation. And, you know,
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  Speaker 17: quite frankly, the idea that this government continues to fund
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  Speaker 17: the Environmental Defender's Office so the environmental defender can actually
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  Speaker 17: take action using taxpayers' money to stop taxpayers being the
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  Speaker 17: beneficiary of the resources of this nation, I think is
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  Speaker 17: something that this government should be seriously questioned about. because
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  Speaker 17: basically they're paying people to stop Australia from getting ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well worth pointing out.
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  Speaker 2: Our tax dollars fund the Environmental Defender's Office. They're effectively
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  Speaker 2: activists helping others to take action to stop projects that
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  Speaker 2: other government departments have already approved.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned the sovereign risk.
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  Speaker 2: We've had that goldmine expansion thwarted on dodgy Indigenous claims
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  Speaker 2: out of Orange. We've had this coalmine now banned in
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  Speaker 2: a decision which must worry... all further developments of coal.
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  Speaker 2: We won't allow any nuclear development in this country. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this idea that we are harming ourselves as a nation,
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  Speaker 2: it's obvious, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're doing.
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  Speaker 17: Well, quite clearly, and I mean from our own home state, Chris,
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  Speaker 17: of South Australia... We've seen the lunacy of the green
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  Speaker 17: hydrogen dream that has seen one of our great communities
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  Speaker 17: in South Australia brought to its knees again, Wyala, because
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  Speaker 17: we've got this ideological pursuit on one hand without any
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  Speaker 17: great thought being put into it. And then on the
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  Speaker 17: other hand, the resources that we know are already proven
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  Speaker 17: technologies are being stopped on the other hand. I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 17: it's just nuts on both sides of the equation.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is frightening. And your call echoes that, of course,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of your leader. The Liberals want law changes to make
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: sure this can't happen again. You can't change the High
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Court ruling, but you can change the legislation.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: State and federal.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Let me get you on the big issue yesterday, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: launch of the immigration policy by Angus Taylor and others.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This is a serious debate now with a lot of
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: detail on the table. But you, the coalition, have got
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: leading business and property groups out there condemning you, suggesting
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: these cuts are too hard and that you'll harm the economy.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: How are you going to go running to the next
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: election arguing against these major industry groups?
• 24:17
  Speaker 17: Well, look, I think the thing that we need to
• 24:18
  Speaker 17: do now is to make sure that we get out
• 24:20
  Speaker 17: there and talk to industry groups, because I believe this
• 24:22
  Speaker 17: is a very balanced policy. I mean, we know that
• 24:25
  Speaker 17: Australia has been struggling because this government's failed immigration policy,
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: their uncontrolled migration with no infrastructure support, no services to
• 24:34
  Speaker 17: support the massive amount of people they've brought into this
• 24:37
  Speaker 17: nation is why we are having the crisis that we're
• 24:40
  Speaker 17: having at the moment when it comes to access to services,
• 24:43
  Speaker 17: housing and basically the economy more generally. But we do
• 24:47
  Speaker 17: also need to be very mindful that there are many
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: sectors that rely on migration and my area of aged
• 24:53
  Speaker 17: care is one of them. So we will be making
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: sure that the critical sectors that we know rely very
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: heavily on migration will continue to be the sectors that
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: we prioritise. But instead of making everybody come through a pathway,
• 25:08
  Speaker 17: which this government seems to be doing, which is a
• 25:10
  Speaker 17: pathway where our education system is a quasi for an
• 25:14
  Speaker 17: alternative migration pathway, we're saying that the pathway to this
• 25:17
  Speaker 17: country is through skills and the skills that we are
• 25:21
  Speaker 17: determining as a nation are needed in this country. I mean,
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: our migration policy must be a policy that benefits Australia.
• 25:28
  Speaker 17: It can't just be a mechanism by which people can
• 25:32
  Speaker 17: come to Australia by using the education system as an
• 25:35
  Speaker 17: easy way to get here.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Spot on. I think you're on to a winner.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I think you've just got to continue to argue the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: case day in and day out. Thanks so much for
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: joining us, Anne. I appreciate it. Anne Ruston there, live
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: from Canberra. As I mentioned, the Prime Minister and the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: hapless Chris Bowen are still in the Pacific talking up
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: climate change and alarmism.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Listen to this from the Prime Minister.
• 25:56
  Speaker 15: The forecast of Super El Nino may test us all.
• 26:02
  Speaker 15: In Australia, we're expecting a summer of floods... of cyclones
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: of extreme heat and extreme behaviour. Because the science told
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: us that if we didn't act to address global emissions,
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: this is precisely what would occur. And tragically, that is
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: playing out.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnist with The Australian. Now, Tom,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: this sort of stuff drives me nuts. There is no
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: scientific basis to argue that we're seeing more bushfires, more floods,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: more extreme heat days. He makes all this stuff up,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of them do, and he's on a sure
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: bet it'll be hot this summer and there will be bushfires,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: but it's all dressed up to support a failing policy agenda, right?
• 26:49
  Speaker 16: Well, to the extent that global warming is a problem,
• 26:52
  Speaker 16: it's self-evidently a global problem, which means a solution has
• 26:55
  Speaker 16: to be global. And the problem for the Prime Minister
• 26:58
  Speaker 16: and the hapless Chris Bowen is that they're hell-bent on
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: decarbonising the Australian economy precisely at the time when the
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: rest of the world, especially the big global emitters, are
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: walking back their climate agreements and commitments. And there is
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: absolutely no evidence that the United Nations and especially the non-OECD,
• 27:20
  Speaker 16: which accounts for the largest share of global emissions, there's
• 27:23
  Speaker 16: no evidence that their leaders want to slash emissions because
• 27:27
  Speaker 16: their priority is to grow their economies.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And reduce poverty.
• 27:30
  Speaker 16: And the cheapest way of doing that, at least for
• 27:31
  Speaker 16: the foreseeable future, is still on the back of carbon energy.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Which brings us to this High Court decision. Now the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: High Court's got in it, refusing to approve an expansion
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of a coal mine because of emissions that might be
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: created overseas.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So this is Australia surrendering.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Some of our prosperity, which will just be taken up
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: by other nations, with no net gain to the climate.
• 27:53
  Speaker 17: I add.
• 27:53
  Speaker 16: And bear in mind, we do have a comparative advantage
• 27:56
  Speaker 16: in natural gas and coal, so we're actually hurting ourselves economically. Now,
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: this comes at a time when there are widespread concerns
• 28:03
  Speaker 16: about a cost of living pressure. The idea that decarbonising
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: the Australian economy, when the rest of the world is
• 28:09
  Speaker 16: not going down that track, it's naive, because the costs
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: of decarbonising the economy are profound. And, you know, this
• 28:17
  Speaker 16: will only hurt the government, just like it hurt Julia
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: Gillard back in 2010-2013 when she championed a carbon tax
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: when there was no evidence the rest of the world
• 28:25
  Speaker 16: was radically decarbonising the economy.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Has this specific conference been a diplomatic embarrassment for Bowen
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and Albanese?
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: Probably.
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: I mean, look, the big thing here is putting forward
• 28:37
  Speaker 16: the argument of adaptation, adapting to climate change. We can't
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: mitigate it by decarbonising the economy when the rest of
• 28:44
  Speaker 16: the world is not going to do that. So the
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: best way of addressing climate change, which is real, is
• 28:49
  Speaker 16: through adaptation.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Humankind, we're very adept.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But creating alarmism about it is just not on either, right?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: At any time, the climate's going to either be warming
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: or cooling.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: If we accept that it's warming at the moment, A, yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: we can't change it, certainly from Australia. But this alarmism,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: trying to tell people they're getting more bushfires, more.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Floods, show us the data.
• 29:11
  Speaker 16: This only provides a wonderful opportunity for Pauline Hanson in
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: One Nation, but also Angus Taylor and the Coalition, to
• 29:16
  Speaker 16: harp on the cost of decarbonising the economy at a
• 29:19
  Speaker 16: time when there is a legitimate cost of living crisis.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I've got to show you that something Donald Trump has
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: just said about Iran. You and I could argue about
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: this for about two hours, but we'll only have a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: minute afterwards.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 29:31
  Speaker 18: This country should have been taken care of. We're into
• 29:36
  Speaker 18: 51 years now, the bully of the Middle East. This
• 29:39
  Speaker 18: should have been done a long time ago. ago by
• 29:40
  Speaker 18: other presidents or other countries. It doesn't have to be us.
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: It's always us. It should have been done by other
• 29:46
  Speaker 18: countries long ago because with time it just got worse.
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: But we've done a job.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It's messy, it's pushing up oil prices, but someone had
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to take on a role.
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: Well, I don't know about that. I mean, there's a
• 29:58
  Speaker 16: reason why other countries and his predecessors, Bush, Obama, Biden,
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: even Trump in the first administration, there's a reason why
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: they didn't try to strike.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: What's that? They didn't do it because they were weak. Well,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: they were weak.
• 30:13
  Speaker 16: No, I think it's because they recognised the unintended consequences
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: of striking at Iran. And what are those consequences? Iran
• 30:18
  Speaker 16: now controls the Strait of Hormuz, what makes it very
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: difficult to get free passage, free navigation, but they also
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: show that they can use their ballistic missiles to intimidate
• 30:28
  Speaker 16: America's Sunni Gulf allies.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: How is that a victory?
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: They're much less of a threat than they were six
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: months ago to the rest of the world.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: They have more strategic leverage. We'll get back to this.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We'll get back to this again. Good to see you again, Tom.
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: Thanks, Chris.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: We'll continue that debate because the war ain't ending tomorrow,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think. After this break, we're going to go
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to Israel to look at how they are marking the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: anniversary of October the 7th three years on. It's now
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: just after 9.30 in the morning on October the 7th
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: in Israel and already, of course, there have been a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: series of commemoration ceremonies, including in southern Israel at the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: site of the Nova Music Festival, just a few kilometres
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: from the border with Gaza, where more than 370 people
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: were killed by Hamas terrorists in horrific scenes of panic,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: carnage and barbarity. 44 others were taken from there as hostages.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: The site is now a permanent memorial with dedications to
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the victims. Let's go live to Israel now and speak
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to the former Deputy Foreign Minister and now the chair
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of the Israel First Party.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Sharon Haskell.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Sharon, good to talk to you again, but a shocking
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: anniversary to be discussing. What are your reflections three years
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: on from those atrocities?
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: Um.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: Since these atrocities had happened, us Israelis have been living
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: with trauma and scar on our heart. There's still a
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: long way to do for the personal and emotional and
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: physical healing after a massacre like that, after the images,
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: after the stories of what the Israeli people have experienced.
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: You know, it feels like the world didn't really learn.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: We see the rise of antisemitism everywhere. We see demonstrations
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: of celebrations of the 7th of October in the streets of.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Paris and London.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And in Australia.
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: And in Australia.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Specifically in universities. And for us, this is absolutely outrageous.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not surprised. We've seen the rise of anti-Semitism.
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: We've seen the radicalization of many European countries' universities that
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: have been pushing a very, very radical Islamist agenda behind it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: But We understand that we are at this front line
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: of a.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: War between radical Islamism and Western democracies.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: The country itself, though, Israel, as we were discussing with
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: your ambassador last night, is now more secure, having severely
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: decimated Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran and the Houthis.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yet now to.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Your south, you have Gaza, where the infrastructure there is obliterated.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: There needs to be massive reconstruction. Of course, there are
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: more than two million people living there. Your own young
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: people are doing their service, their compulsory service in the army,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: risking their lives in that area. Many of them have
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: been killed. What does the future hold for Gaza? Is
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: that Israel's responsibility or the rest of the world's?
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: Well, the thing is right now, it's Hamas' responsibility.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: The second stage said clearly that it starts the day
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: Hamas disarm. While Hamas refuses to disarm, continue to take
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: up weapons, continue to reconstruct their rockets and missiles, factories,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: the rocket launchers, all of that, they've been building up,
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: arming up, using a lot of the donations of the
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: aid that is coming in. to rebuild their military power.
• 34:23
  Speaker 19: So as much as we were able to really weaken Hamas,
• 34:29
  Speaker 19: Until Hamas disarmed, there is no second stage.
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: And the situation there has been frozen. There is a
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: city by the Americans and the Emiratis who are trying
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: to build, to try and build like an aisle for
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: Gazan civilians to come in that is liberated from Hamas,
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: which is inside.
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: The Yellow Territory.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: But it's very far away from any kind of continuing
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: for a mass reconstruction because Hamas still refuses to give
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: their power to the Palestinians. And I have to say also,
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: you know, if it's in the north when Hezbollah has
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: been weakened, still the Lebanese government has to take control.
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: It has to be more aggressive against this Iranian terrorist organization.
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: And the growing concern of what's happening in Syria with
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: armies of former Al-Qaeda and ISIS troops that Al-Jolani has
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: liberated and recruited into their army.
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: So there's another threat growing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: So, you know, as Israelis, we understand the risks and
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: the dangers that is surrounding us. We truly understand what
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: is the danger of the growing radical Islamist movements because
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: it surrounds us. I do believe that many democratic countries
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: has not, truly understood and it didn't yet sunk in
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: to understand what the danger for your own democracy and
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: for your own people.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I think they either don't understand it or they refuse
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to understand it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It's a great worry.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Now, Sharon, of course, you resigned from Bibi Netanyahu's government.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: There are elections now in just 20 days. Will Benjamin
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Netanyahu be re-elected as Prime Minister?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of angst about the fact that the.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: terror atrocities of October the 7th occurred on his watch,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that warnings should have been heeded, that it shouldn't have
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: been allowed to happen. But, of course, there's been a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: strength of purpose to defend the country. What will be
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the fate of the current government?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: So, from what I see, It is most probably that
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: Prime Minister Netanyahu will have the lead or the chance
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: to build a new government after.
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: The next election.
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: He's strengthening his party's mandates and electorate during the last
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: couple of weeks. my concerns are what kind of a
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: government we.
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: Will choose to build. And while the.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: Last government had many, many challenges, this is what my party,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: Israel First, is trying to change.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Indeed. So you want a more moderate government? Is that
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: an easy way to sum it up?
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: I don't know if more moderate. I would say.
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: More liberal in a conservative way, in an Australian way,
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: regards to the economy, to know how to minimize our
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: expenses and how to invest it in things that will
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: build Israel in the next generation. This is vital for
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: the survival of Israel in our region.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you would obviously hope to be... Sorry to cut
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you off.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, you would obviously hope to be part of that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: coalition with Israel first. So we wish you luck. We'll
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: catch up with you again, hopefully, before polling day. Thanks
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Sharon. I appreciate it on this important day.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Sharon Haskell there, live from Israel. We have to go
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to a break.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: On the other side of it, we'll take up some
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: more of these issues and the challenges for the Australian
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Jewish community as we mark the third anniversary of the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: October 7th atrocities. Let's get back to today's anniversary of
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: October the 7th, those atrocities in Israel. And this morning
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a vigil, as I showed you earlier, was held at Bondi,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the site of another atrocity against Jewish people here in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Australia last year. The group there heard from Israel's ambassador,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: who was on the program here last night, but this
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: morning he was scathing about how anti-Jewish rhetoric has been
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: allowed to foster here.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: The events of the past three years have revealed the
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: deep hatred... towards Israel and Jews. We have witnessed an
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: eruption in anti-Semitism even in Australia. We have witnessed verbal
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: violence and bullying which led to vandalism, arson and culminated
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: in the murder of 15 right here.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all been allowed to fester because of lack
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of political leadership, of course, among other factors. But the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: New South Wales State Opposition Leader, Kelly Sloan, also spoke.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Remembering is hard. It hurts. I can see it in
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: the looks on your faces today.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: But remembering is how we refuse to let hatred have
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: the final word.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: It is how we tell the family.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Of the murdered, the hostages and the survivors that they matter.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: And it still matters.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Joining me now on the set is Jewish community activist
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Marnie Pearlstein. Welcome to the program again, Marnie.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: What a horrible day.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: All the more bitter in Australia now because of what
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: happened at Bondi late last year.
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: It's a horrible day. It's been a horrible three years.
• 39:54
  Speaker 20: And as you've been saying, there is a direct link
• 39:56
  Speaker 20: between October 7 and December 14. and that is because
• 40:00
  Speaker 20: we had weak leadership straight after October 7. And October
• 40:04
  Speaker 20: 7 was presented as a disastrous event for Jewish people globally,
• 40:10
  Speaker 20: and it has been a disastrous event for Jewish people.
• 40:13
  Speaker 20: And it should have been the sole tragedy. I always
• 40:16
  Speaker 20: say October 7 should have been... the tragic date, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 20: we should have been able to download that date. But
• 40:23
  Speaker 20: what's happened since has become the true tragedy, that I feel.
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: Australia lost its innocence on October 7.
• 40:29
  Speaker 20: We may not have realised it on October 7, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 20: by October 8 and October 9, we were seeing that
• 40:35
  Speaker 20: there was so much going on under the surface in
• 40:37
  Speaker 20: this country, and it ended up being a catastrophe for
• 40:40
  Speaker 20: all Australians.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it was so obvious on October the 8th,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: when we had Sheikh Ibrahim Dadoon at Lakemba, celebrating this
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: as a day of joy and people cheering him, it
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: chilled me. This in Australia, and, of course, the next
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: night at the Opera House where people were like, F
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the Jews and death to Jews, and these were large
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: numbers of people, this was happening.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Openly, no charges, police standing by.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: To me, that was the moment where, as you say,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Australia lost its.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Innocence, but nothing has happened.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: in terms of political leadership to drag us back from that?
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: Nothing has happened.
• 41:18
  Speaker 20: I clearly remember that day because the Jewish community was
• 41:21
  Speaker 20: supposed to be on the steps of the Opera House
• 41:24
  Speaker 20: that night and we were all told to stay home.
• 41:26
  Speaker 20: So we were essentially just told that it wouldn't be
• 41:29
  Speaker 20: safe for us. And I could not understand how it
• 41:32
  Speaker 20: wasn't that we were allowed to come, but the people
• 41:35
  Speaker 20: who were planning to protest against us were the ones
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: who were forced to stay home.
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: And the leadership has been non-existent.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, to give an idea of how far we have
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: not progressed over three years... even after 15 Australians were
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: killed at Bondi. I want to show live pictures now
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: from Sydney Town Hall. That's where the protest, the Opera
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: House protest, started back in 2023.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And look at this now.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: On October the 7th, the day of the atrocities against
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Israel when nearly 1,300 innocent people lost their lives, here
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  Speaker 2: we have people at the Sydney Town Hall getting ready
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  Speaker 2: to have their pro-Palestinian protest. What are your thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: this as a Jewish Australian, Marnie?
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  Speaker 11: I find it outrageous.
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  Speaker 20: I have no concept what these people are thinking because
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  Speaker 20: they are claiming that October 7 was the day that
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  Speaker 20: a genocide started in Gaza. Israel didn't even go into
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  Speaker 20: Gaza for three weeks after Hamas had attacked Israel. But
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  Speaker 20: more than that, I just feel like it's... I think
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  Speaker 20: Paul Kelly said.
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  Speaker 11: In The Australian today, it's..... immoral. There's... It's, um... Moral
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  Speaker 11: failure is what he called it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that we've had a lack of moral leadership
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  Speaker 2: from our politicians, but I just want to know what
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  Speaker 2: these individuals understand. This is the day when children were
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  Speaker 2: slaughtered in front of their parents, when Shiri Bibas and
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  Speaker 2: her two little boys were taken hostage and.
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  Speaker 1: Then later murdered.
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  Speaker 2: How could you possibly celebrate that or mark that as
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  Speaker 2: part of your political agenda?
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  Speaker 20: I think that in their minds they are not doing
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  Speaker 20: anything that's advantageous for Palestinians. Maybe they don't realise that
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  Speaker 20: what they are doing is protesting against Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's anti-Israel. That's what it is. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us, Marnie, on this difficult day. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: After the break, we've got Justin and Jamie for the
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday wrangle. Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle. And Justin
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  Speaker 2: Smith is back. He joins us from Melbourne. And Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Johnson's joining us from the Sunshine Coast. Welcome, both of you. Justin,
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  Speaker 2: you've been a couple of weeks at the ABC. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to have to reboot you now, aren't we?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just plugged me in, mate.
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  Speaker 7: I'll drink the Kool-Aid and everything will be fine.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Nice to be back. I think you would have been
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  Speaker 1: spouting the Kool-Aid over there, but we will see. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's get straight into the political situation.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the latest polling of the
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  Speaker 2: Sky News Pulse polling.
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  Speaker 1: The big news here is that there is very little news.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation's still in front, Labor languishing, and the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: still hanging around there at 20%. So not much is changing.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation is in front and... Let's just share with
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  Speaker 2: everyone the latest ad that they're running in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: It's a cracker. Can you pass the nutritional yeast?
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  Speaker 13: Nathan, what's wrong?
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  Speaker 10: You've barely touched your vegan mung beans. I can't do
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  Speaker 10: this anymore. Mum, Dad, I have something to tell you.
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  Speaker 10: I'm conservative.
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  Speaker 11: Nathan, me too.
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  Speaker 10: I always have been.
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  Speaker 11: I've loved her for 30 years.
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  Speaker 1: And it goes on. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie, every time I see one of these ladies in
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  Speaker 2: her purple hair, these days I'm going to think they've
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  Speaker 2: got the Pauline Hanson locks underneath.
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  Speaker 12: You'll be waiting for them to remove their wig, exactly.
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  Speaker 12: This is all natural and, you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 12: like her too. So, listen, I think the interesting thing here, right,
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  Speaker 12: is that this ad, I mean, whilst there's humour and
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  Speaker 12: it's designed to take the piss a bit, I think
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  Speaker 12: there is a lot of truth in it, in that
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  Speaker 12: we've seen recently at elections, whether it be South Australia,
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  Speaker 12: Farrah or Secret Harbour, The actual vote at the ballot
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  Speaker 12: box has come in higher for One Nation than what
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  Speaker 12: the polls were suggesting. And so that tells me that
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  Speaker 12: there are a lot of people out there that are silent,
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  Speaker 12: a bit hesitant, scared perhaps of any backlash or nastiness
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  Speaker 12: they might receive from friends or family. And so they
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  Speaker 12: stay quiet and then they take that vote anonymously.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty clever advertising whatever you think
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  Speaker 2: of One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't like them, Justin, but a bit
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  Speaker 1: of humour in your advertising always works. And also just as, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: addressing this issue of don't be shy about it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you can come out as a One Nation voter.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, look, it's kind of clever at the start and
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  Speaker 7: it's a bit of fun at the start and certainly
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  Speaker 7: not the worst political ad I've ever seen. At the start,
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  Speaker 7: then it gets a little bit ugly for those people
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  Speaker 7: that have watched it all the way through. But I
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  Speaker 7: would say this, why is it AI generated? Could they
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  Speaker 7: not get real people to say it? So they have
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  Speaker 7: an Indigenous person later on saying that you know, suggesting
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  Speaker 7: that they're the ones who shouldn't be getting the money. Well,
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  Speaker 7: could you not find a real Indigenous person that wanted
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  Speaker 7: to say that? Is that why you had to go AI? Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I think it's probably... The start of it's all right,
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  Speaker 7: the end of it's rubbish. It's probably cheap and easy
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  Speaker 7: to use AI. I detect the voice of Mark Nicholson
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  Speaker 7: in a.
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  Speaker 1: Few of those. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to your state, Justin, and the ongoing
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  Speaker 2: struggle with renewable energy and the transmission lines and the like,
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  Speaker 2: and we've covered before how farmers don't want the transmission
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  Speaker 2: line operatives coming onto their farms.
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  Speaker 1: They've locked the gates and kept them off.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now these farmers have been fined, have broken the
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  Speaker 2: law by not allowing these transmission people onto their properties.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listen to the farmers. Definitely won't pay the fine.
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  Speaker 1: Not a hope in hell. I'll be in a wooden
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  Speaker 1: box before that fine gets paid.
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  Speaker 17: A lot of unknowns and there's still a hell of
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  Speaker 17: a lot of unknowns that we still can't get answers for.
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  Speaker 1: It'll make things a lot harder, um.
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  Speaker 15: It'll take a lot longer to do everything because of
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  Speaker 15: the easement, shifting stock, operating machinery, etc.
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  Speaker 11: Like that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disgusting. It's simple as that. They just don't care.
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  Speaker 11: We have rights and people can't just come and take
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  Speaker 11: our land from us.
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  Speaker 17: We've been farming here for five generations and we will
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  Speaker 17: continue to do so.
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  Speaker 2: Justin, this is a big issue, so difficult for those landowners,
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  Speaker 2: but they are so passionate about it, it could end
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  Speaker 2: up in people being sent to prison. Would the government
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  Speaker 2: send people to prison, be happy to see people go
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  Speaker 2: to prison on the back of this stuff?
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  Speaker 7: I think the government has completely buggered this up because
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  Speaker 7: there's no way that they should have got to the
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  Speaker 7: point where they're issuing fines and then threatening people like this.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever side of the argument you're on, whether you're with
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  Speaker 7: the farmers or you think they should let people on, Well,
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  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter what side you're on. They should have
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  Speaker 7: headed this off at the pass and they should be
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  Speaker 7: communicating far better with people than just slapping a fine.
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  Speaker 7: Is that the way it's going to work now? Whenever
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  Speaker 7: you put up a protest or you disagree with something,
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  Speaker 7: you get a fine.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to do better than that.
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  Speaker 2: This argument, this debate, this issue, Jamie, is playing out
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  Speaker 2: right around the country. So this sort of controversy is
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  Speaker 2: going to be quite common.
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  Speaker 12: It is and I'm really glad you showed some of
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  Speaker 12: the interviews with the farmers themselves because when I was
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: looking into this a little more today, I realised that
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  Speaker 12: some people out there might think it's just the farmers going,
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  Speaker 12: you're not coming on our land, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 10: But that's not the case.
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  Speaker 12: They're actually listing various reasons as to why this is problematic.
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  Speaker 12: Some of them just mentioned there it's impacting the way
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  Speaker 12: they work, making things harder, slower.
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  Speaker 10: There have to shift livestock.
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  Speaker 12: Some of them have also said they haven't said that
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  Speaker 12: authorities can't come on their land, but they can't interrupt animals,
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  Speaker 12: cows when they're carving, sheep when they're lambing. Like, there's
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: a lot of, yeah... that are at stake here. And
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  Speaker 12: so I feel really, really sorry for these farmers. And
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  Speaker 12: I also ask the question, where does it end? If
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  Speaker 12: we're going to start saying you can come on private property, well,
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  Speaker 12: then what is private property?
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  Speaker 10: What is ownership anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty tough stuff. Thanks for joining us, Jamie and Justin.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. We'll catch up with you.
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  Speaker 1: Next time, that's almost all the time I've got for
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I do need to point out that I did mention
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  Speaker 2: the News 24 Pulse poll earlier, but I may have
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  Speaker 2: used the old name for this station, I'm told, in
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: my ear.
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  Speaker 1: I've been pretty good the last few months.
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  Speaker 2: I've never misspoken about the name of this station. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: I owe the crew a case of beer for that error, but,
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  Speaker 2: of course, it is the News 24 Pulse survey.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night at five. Here's Jamie Rogers
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  Speaker 1: for Peter Quedlin.