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Interview with Joel Garbon on Materialism and the Modern Dilemma · Urantia Radio

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But let me introduce you to the audience.
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Joel Garvin has been on the show before the fact.
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If you check back the few podcast ago, Joel, Joel have
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done a tremendously, impactful presentation for a group at a
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UFO Knology convention, but I was so impressed.
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I felt compelled to have Joel on because it's an opportunity to
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share new ideas and that's what this podcast is all about.
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So as honest, I thought it would be great to have Joel come back
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because we got into some really good stuff.
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Joel and I are going to talk about materialism and where we
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are in the current age because there's everybody I talk to says
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something's weird. Something's going on weird in
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the world, and you just can't pretend that things are just
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hunky-dory. I had an inner.
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I had an email from a guy today. Joel, it said to me that they
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didn't think that the Rancho book could ever make an impact
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on people because it's just too late.
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People have already made up their minds about where they
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stand on religion and religion is more like a folklore today
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than it is anything else. Do you agree with that?
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No Jim. I don't you know because that
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perspective could have been taken at the time that Jesus
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incarnated on this planet. Yeah that everything already had
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been established and was intransigent.
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So there wasn't going to be any more openness to a new way of
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viewing Humanity viewing, the Divine viewing the destiny of
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individuals. So I don't think that we're in a
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static situation. Any more now than we were two
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thousand years ago? I think that the Urantia book
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has profound insights that it can offer people today.
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It just needs to be examined, and I think when people do
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examine it, they will find that. Whoa, there are, there are a lot
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of valuable tools and insights in this revelation.
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That can be brought to bear today on very important topics
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including the one that you and I are going to discuss today.
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Now you mentioned that we'll be talking about materialism, but I
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want to expand it beyond that and really talk about
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materialism War and the Brotherhood of Man, we have a
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very timely conflict, right in our faces here, with what's
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going on over. And Ukraine, and I think it's
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the elephant in the room and I think our topic today can help
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us to address some of that even directly.
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And so, so that's some of the things that that will be
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discussing. Are you concerned that this
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might be some, how deep do you go in terms of thinking?
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This might be a profound age. Some people argue, oh, you know,
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earth goes through all kinds of different things.
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We can't get bogged down right other People say no this is the
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Tribulation a lot of people on the Christian side or worried to
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death. The only people that don't seem
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to be worried are people who who are settled in their Affairs and
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they don't strike me as very religious people or people of
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Faith. They more tend towards.
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I don't know that they don't, they don't there.
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There's a line in the Urantia book.
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It says atheism protest against God, secularism merely ignores
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him. And that's what's happening, is
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that there's a lot of ignoring, I have my theories about that,
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which we can expound on. But what do you think in terms
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of where are we as a spiritual planet right now?
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How do you think the most highs of edentia?
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Look at us now? Are we, are we gaining or losing
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a sender's? Is there concern?
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You think that? you know, when your auntie isn't
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producing very much in the way of people who actually survive,
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The transition? Well, well, it's a good
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question. I think that we are at a pivotal
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Point here, for several reasons. One of them is we seem to be at
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this balance point between people who are seeking God, and
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those who are seeking something else, and whether we just call,
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that is as the pivot point between secularism and religion.
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Or we call it something else. The war of those who seek God
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versus those who who really want to kick God out of everything.
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Like we see the trend and government education other
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institutions and it's concerning but beyond that we have a
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critical development in technology.
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That's Come about in the last several decades that if it's
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used with no wisdom or lack of wisdom that technology can be
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used to to extinguish humanity and all the companion species
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here because of the devastation that can be wrought by Advanced
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Weaponry. We also have technology that is
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more subtle, perhaps, but every bit is potentially damaging in
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that we could have a transhumanism Wave occur.
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Where know what is that? I've heard that what is that?
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Well transhumanism Is the trend toward taking the biological
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human and interfacing them with digital technology.
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So where you'd be looking at human beings who have been
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implanted with various types of technology that might be chips
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of some sort, some other type of implants that that's, that could
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link us up to a digital Network. That could be controlled in
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various ways and it would be propagandized as enhancing the
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human being by speeding up. The processing speed of our
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brains perhaps extending our senses in certain ways by the
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use of cyborg type Prosthetics making us stronger doing other
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things. That might Influence.
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Our our DNA that perhaps might provide some life extension
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characteristics and it seems to have a goal really of well I
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think of controlling all of humanity through, I was going to
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say yeah we always you see them advertising on TV, they have
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these things now that you you Put them on your your body, and
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it sort of sends a signal to your iPhone and it keeps it a
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tabs on your glucose glucose, glucose level and also your
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heartbeat, things like that. So they've already integrated
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some basic technology that can be used to gather data on your
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body that I'm okay with. But if that's a stepping stone,
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to some chip, going into my head or being inserted to me at birth
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to Create some sort of a neural response that I don't like and I
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don't even think that would be possible because of a thought
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adjuster can influence. Our will can another human being
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really do that through the 8th of technology?
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Is that even feasible? Do we evolve?
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Yeah, I think it very much is possible and I think it's
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already being done, I think there's been so many advances in
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how to use technology to influence the Thinking and
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behavior of human beings that if we were to have the curtains
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pulled back so we can see what's going on.
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I think we would absolutely be shocked and appalled and really
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frightened about what's been going on behind the scenes.
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You know, someone who talks about this quite a bit is
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Catherine. Austin fits.
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Who if if your your listeners aren't familiar with Catherine,
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she has she's a brilliant woman. She's an economist had also been
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the undersecretary, for the Department of Housing and Urban
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Development, who exposed tremendous, broad inside that
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department of the US government. And she has quite a story to
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tell you could you could consider her a whistleblower,
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but she's brilliant in the areas of finance and the global
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control Paradigm. And She has a website called so
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Larry. Sol arri so Larry.com,
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tremendous research, and she is brilliant.
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And you can find her all over the place interviews that she's
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done. And basically she's been warning
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about what's been going on here with the technologies that can
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be used, you know, for basically digital role of the population.
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Her emphasis is on how that is being steered and orchestrated
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primarily through financial control.
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So the whole digital web has has links like tentacles, if you
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will to your bank account to vaccine, passports, to, to
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digital digital technology that can be implanted in the human.
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Audience self satellite operations and, and basically
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all of the surveillance technology that's been
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saturating the planet, including our country.
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You know, you can hardly drive anywhere on your block without
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there being some type of unseen surveillance whether it's at a
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stoplight cameras that are at yours at Banks.
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When you put your ATM card, we are continuously being
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surveilled. And all of that gets linked up
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somewhere and you see how all of the data collection goes on
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through anytime you're on the internet, right?
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So when you're on social media or just doing a web search
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through a search engine, there's data continuously being
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harvested from you and it's all being fed into this.
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This big Network that collects this and it can be used to
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predict Behaviors and can be used to influence behaviors so
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that I'm not going to go into more on the whole transhumanism
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agenda and all that. It's a tough topic for another
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time. But, but it's part of what is
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going on on our planet that I think really has the attention
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of, you know, the spiritual overseers for this planet
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because we, we are not in a state of Maturity to be using
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this type of advanced technology with wisdom.
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It's unfortunately the Temptation is so great to use
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the technology for control and dominance that we're at this in
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this very dangerous period. And I think part of what we are
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seeing right now with the the technology of War and the
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technology A propaganda that can be exacerbated by the use of
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social media that is playing out right in front of us right now.
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And I'd like to to address some of these things on the topic of
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materialism War and the Brotherhood of Man, just by
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asking this question and it's, this does materialism drive car.
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Countries toward war and I'd like to get your immediate
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feedback on that Jim before I give you some of my own thoughts
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on it. Well, I think the commercial
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side, the follow the money side, there's a, you know, the
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military-industrial complex and our system in the free market
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system, plays itself out because War means profits for companies
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that provide materials that means jobs.
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It also means voters are happy with their lives.
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So for example, you know, pick a community, well, let's say Santa
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Barbara and that's the Enter one of the areas of Raytheon which
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makes missiles and IT Supplies. A lot of people with good
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incomes, they go to work, they go home at night just like you
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and me, we're just people, but they're involved in a process
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that they could help win support for the Congress person.
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In that District, if they continue to support, the people
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who work for Raytheon, because those people are going to vote
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for that guy so that he stays in office.
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So our system is sort of set up In this way where because war is
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so profitable. I mean, we just sold billions of
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dollars of equipment to Ukraine. Hopefully, it'll be the same
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amount that we left in Afghanistan, wouldn't that be
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great? So, our system right now is sort
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of set up for that. And and, you know, if you read
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about some of the social values of War as they're outlined in
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the Urantia book, You know, up to this point there have been
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some good value to come out of War.
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It, it disciplines people or a lot of their early things that
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occurred because of war that actually helped us progress.
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But now, like you said, we've been so, you know, we've created
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these things that could kill us. So Phillip is a species.
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Yeah. And so now we're, you know,
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we're not there you are not morally.
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Ethically? Ready?
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Like Elon Musk talks about inserting chips, Mark,
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Zuckerberg talking about metaverse and living within the
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mind. It's like these are kids playing
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with toys and they have no idea what's behind the scenes.
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They have no idea what they're what they're attempting to try
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to do, and it's shameful. It's embarrassing.
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And I would imagine that Michael is sitting up.
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Sup, they're going to shaking his head going?
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What are these people going to do?
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They're going to obliterate themselves if they if they're
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not careful. That's my assessment.
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Yeah I think it goes beyond embarrassing and shameful to
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it's a it's a display of a tremendous lack of insight
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maturity and wisdom for what is the trajectory Up technology
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applications that are just applied for a profit motive or
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to do something that's cool. All right, because that's often
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kind of like the real attractors.
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Oh wow. Look at this, it's something new
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and cool. So let's do it.
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Well, that is a very short-term perspective.
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We have to have a long range Vision to see, okay, what are
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the implications of using a new technology?
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We all sudden, well work, you know, I'm I'm a billionaire who
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has lots of visibility on social media and looked at is kind of a
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genius or a tech tech God if you will.
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And I'm just going to launch a bunch of satellites Public's,
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not going to have any input on this but I'm going to have a
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string of thousands of satellites just going across
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orbiting the Earth, everyone's going to be able to see it and
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it's going to have some type of electromagnetic influence on on
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the planet. Because of the signals that it's
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sending and receiving and no one else can really do anything
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about it. This is a private entrepreneur
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who's doing this, but it's not looking at any of the long-term
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implications of this. But but yet there's many who
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hailed this is. Oh wow, that's a great
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Innovation. That's so cool.
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All right, and it's giving me this materialistic benefit of
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now I can receive the a stronger internet signal.
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You know at some location, maybe it's at my second home in the
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mountains. Maybe it's it's you know, it's
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wherever okay and it's not it's not to diminish the value of
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having an internet signal but is it is it looked at beyond that
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materialistic benefit to to what are the further implications of
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the technology itself. And I start, I think there's a
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lot of immaturity and short-range vision here, that
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that is Is quite dangerous for us on work and energy.
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Just so we once had a conversation, your background is
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in energy and you said that if they wanted to today, I think
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this is what you said, Joel is that what if we wanted to today?
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We would end our dependency on, only fossil fuels.
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But also this renewable rainbow that we're chasing.
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Do we have ways? These still assert that can you
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Go into it a little bit. Well at, I can tell you
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absolutely that technology exists and it's quite
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disruptive. And where is it being applied
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right now? Well, I would suggest it's being
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applied in certain covert programs, but it's not being
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used for a social benefit in the public domain.
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And I cannot, there are certain things that constrain me from
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Into that in any technical detail Jim but I can tell you
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from my own direct experience as a scientist.
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Yes I've encountered, okay, so I won't press because I know it
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did not, you know, non-disclosures are all about.
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So let's let's look at let's look at something.
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We could all sort of relate to most recently.
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We discovered I read that they have discovered that the MRNA
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technology that they use for the vaccines, they told us early on
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that mRNA does. Not turn into DNA.
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And now that that's been proven that not only does it turn into
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DNA, but it also gets into all of your other organs because
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they're originally, the vaccine would just supposed to stay in
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the arm. But now it's now they're finding
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that. The thing travels, all over the
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place, this was something that was concocted in a laboratory
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and actually the scientist who worked on it were involved with
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it for years before coronavirus hit us.
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So they already knew new and they're doing all this
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technology stuff again. Kind of place to what you're
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saying. These people are playing God and
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they played God, trying to create this this virus for
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either military or covert operations, who knows?
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But it got out, we've all been infected with change life and
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now that they come up with another gain-of-function thing
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to figure out a way to get a vaccine, it sounds to me like a
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bunch of scientists running around.
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Just going nuts. They're just, they think they're
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God's and it makes me upset. Yeah, it's clearly though, it
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clearly goes beyond the scientific level, that that
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whole vaccination campaign was very well orchestrated.
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Among many levels of political influence, scientific influence,
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media influence, and the whole propaganda of faith.
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And Defective was so continuously played each of us.
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Probably about as heard that safe and effective safe and
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effective. Thousands of times in the last
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two years, at least thousands of times, maybe tens of thousands
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of times and is that what the data shows that this has been
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safe and effective? Well absolutely not, it is
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absolutely not safe and effective but that's been the
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drum beat and it's been propaganda.
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It's been missed. Directing, it's been deceitful
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and it's been highly damaging. And now we have, we have
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millions and millions of people around the world and hundreds of
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thousands. Maybe millions of people here in
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our own country who are going to suffer the direct Health
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consequences of that, they put their trust in institutions that
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did not Merit that trust and the the media failed us because
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they've been beholden to certain interests that that base
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Basically made them part of this propaganda campaign.
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Instead of reporting. Honestly.
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And asking the asking the responsible questions about safe
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and effective and that has been shameful, that has been truly
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shameful and it's been criminal and and we're you know, we're
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going to Bear the brunt as not just a nation but as a planet
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for for that that betrayal of the public trust again.
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Unfortunately, I'm concerned that it is part of a larger
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orchestration poured, this theme of global dominance, Global
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control. So what do we, what do you and I
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what is it, your Rancho reader do with all this?
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I mean we're not going to save the world, we're not going to
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change these people's hearts and minds.
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They have to want to change the quality of thinking.
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There's a line in the Urantia book where it says, this is the
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age of Business Leaders and lawyers next next will be the
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era of philosophy and some something else.
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But anyway, the point was that We're not at that age of, where
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the quality of thinking is something that is that is
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treasured. You know what I mean?
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In other words, the quality of the leadership is directly tied
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to the quality of their thinking and the quality of thinking in
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the world. Today, in my opinion is subpar,
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at least from the, from the way I look at it, you could sit in a
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room full of highly intelligent adult and talk about television
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shows because nobody wants to have a real discussion about
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something that has enduring values.
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Yes, yes. And that's a reflection of the
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degree of immaturity that we are right now in the selection of
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our leadership. One of the things that the
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Urantia book says, when it's discussing the, the Rancher book
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actually had dresses War wa are addresses war in many different
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papers and those include paper, 52 paper, 70 paper, 134 1994 and
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1995. And, you know, one of the things
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that it speaks of is that when, when there were more primitive
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societies, where war was very common, what emerged out of that
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was strong leadership individuals, who were highly
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competent, highly capable. They were, they were courageous,
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they were wise, they Strong and the they truly could be trusted
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to put the interests of the clan, the tribe, the the nation,
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the city-state, the nation whatever they were they were
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trusted to put the interests of that Society ahead of their own
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narrow self-interest. We no longer have that in your
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answer book. Says that we no longer have that
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the way if we elect our leaders, now often has to do with other
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things besides Integrity strength, courage Vision, it
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might be things just as is as a base as well.
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They are popular because we have seen their faces in
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entertainment, it might be that they are wealthy so they could
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buy the most advertising time. It might be because they they
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have had some type of of well Some type of popularity, or at
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least media, exposure due to things that were not
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praiseworthy. But yet, it got them more
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attention. And because we have a relatively
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immature, populous as far as wisdom goes, well, then there's
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this, this tendency toward doing unwise, you know, voting for
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people who don't Merit vote for something.
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Being as important as leadership, including National
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leadership and it's and we're seeing that I think we are
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seeing that being played out right now.
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In these berry types are not I'd like to I'd like to give a You
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know, a couple couple examples here of how I am viewing where
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where we are in this, you know, materialism war and and
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Brotherhood of Man theme, you know, ordinary citizens.
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I think it's fair to say ordinary citizens are generally
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unfavorable toward War. But there's a relatively few
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wealthy politicians and bureaucrats and corporate
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interests that Really dominate the push toward war and, you
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know, the political leadership that we have now increasingly is
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comprised of extremely wealthy individuals, even Billionaire's.
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And that's not just here in the US but that's in, you know, in
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other countries as well. And we're seeing that, you know,
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with with the Russian leadership as well, you know, Putin is
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extremely wealthy man. May eat, they consider, maybe
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he's Of the most wealthy men in the world.
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But these wealthy political leaders generally are out of
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touch with the economic circumstances of ordinary
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citizens. And they tend to be very adverse
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to geopolitical conditions that threaten their wealth.
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And so generally, they might advocate for war against the
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best interests of the citizens and against the will of the
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Those who even voted them into office, so it's very selfish.
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It's not looking out for for the everyday Citizen and then that
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wealthy political class. They tend to be relatively
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insulated from The Economic Consequences of war and that
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might include things like inflation, which we are seeing
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right now. We are, we are seeing gas prices
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right now as we speak going up rapidly.
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Dudley because as a consequence of War, we're seeing supply
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chain interruptions. There will be food shortages,
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most likely, they'll be increased crime, destruction of
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homes and businesses, certainly in the war zones.
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But but elsewhere also, we're already seeing that in cities
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like Portland and Allah and Seattle, the overabundance.
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I mean, the weight of consumption is crushing us.
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Yeah. And it's a complicated very
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complicated Society to there's a passage in the Urantia book
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where it says that the typical human being has to make more
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choices now and having to deal with Society in one generation
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that they've had to do in 10. It's very complex system.
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When I see a bunch of people, I see a collection of homeless,
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what I see are people that couldn't navigate through this
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aside. T, it was too complicated.
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There are too many barriers of Entry.
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There are too many pitfalls. If you make, if you write a bad
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check ten years ago, you can't rent a decent apartment.
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You know, things of that nature of the rule, it's such a fragile
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system that that if you don't play precisely by the rules,
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then you will be cast out and you will be, you know, the you
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can't make it, you can't make it economically.
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Yeah, that's a great Point. Yeah.
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So people can easily just despair and give up because it's
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so hard to navigate that system. The Rancher book talks about
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that as well. That you know, we tend to be in
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this very materialistic and secular society, we are
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overburdened by all of these, all these things, whether it's,
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it's taxes, the weight of laws of various short, that are that
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Are just you everywhere. They enshroud us like a Net
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Technology that's gone amok. You know that you know including
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Weaponry that is so devastating. Now if it's used.
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And I think even though the fact that it exists, you know,
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there's going to be a temptation to use it.
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If you have tools, how I'm gonna use the tool some time and now
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we, when we have regime's, you know, All throughout the planet.
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I put the last count, what? I think, we're probably
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approaching 10 different nations now that have nuclear weapons,
31:05
and, you know, that and is that proliferation of nuclear
31:09
armaments increases, that makes this much much more vulnerable
31:14
to having a type of military conflict or a terrorism event.
31:18
That would just be be horrendous, you know, in 1955, I
31:25
heard. The story about that when the
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ranch a book was first published they sent out a copy to every
31:32
Congressman I believe every Senator to and all.
31:37
But one came back. I wonder if there is a way.
31:42
I mean, we have a blueprint. We have a man.
31:44
We have a precise blueprint, several blueprints on what we
31:50
can do at you. Cited some papers and Social
31:53
Development human evolution, We're giving we're being given
31:58
information that can help us get through this period, but
32:02
nobody's reading it. Nobody's even aware of it.
32:05
And this is where the, the influencers in society.
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If your Ranch a book reader and you're in a position of
32:12
Authority, or a position of influence, you've got to take,
32:17
you don't have to do it directly, but you can take the
32:20
lesson plagiarize the hell out of the book if you want to make
32:24
it your own idea. Whatever you got to do, get the
32:28
information that's in the arrange, a book that tells us
32:31
how we can get out of this mess. Every they even talked about,
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you know, you know, as human labor becomes less important
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because we've replaced with machines, well, we got to figure
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out what to do with the human labor.
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We've got to remember, you know, what they're giving these are
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Celestial smart people they're telling it.
32:51
Yeah. Yeah, of course they weren't
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just, you know, talking about At that present day of 1934.
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Yeah, when we receive the last papers they were projecting into
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the future as well. And they were they were state
33:08
and Common Sense insightful and wise, you know, projections of
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what we have to look out for. And, and part of that in the
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papers that talk about materialism, Is you know, when,
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when we start to become, well, they use the word indolent,
33:35
which means basically, lazy, non enterprising video called, yeah.
33:40
When we become, we have so much so much Leisure and distraction
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by trivialities, and I would say, one of those is the, the
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obsessive social media usage, right?
33:54
Symptom of that. Materialism.
33:57
There are there are things that become quite destructive.
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For instance, like in the social media, we see how it provides a
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platform for war propaganda and so many other bills.
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You know, you can have a politician right now who has
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been unduly influenced by the campaign contributions from
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weapons manufacturers and therefore are our war advocate.
34:26
Okay, we could see politicians right now.
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You could go onto the internet right now and find on the social
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media accounts. As so many of these politicians.
34:35
These statements are false bravery about come on.
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We're going to we're going to go get em, we got to we got to do
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this. We got to create a no-fly zone
34:45
over Ukraine which would be disastrous, you know, because it
34:48
would result in direct conflict of us or NATO forces toward
34:55
toward Putin's It's forces themselves, which could ignite
34:58
world war three immediately. But yet we got this type of
35:03
propaganda being put by elected politicians on to social media.
35:08
And these are the same type of individuals who can sound Brave
35:13
on social media. When they're behind their laptop
35:17
are in, they would never, they would never make such
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statements, if they were face-to-face with With the one
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who they are advocating against. And I would use just like a
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really simple thing, like all the politicians who were, who
35:34
were deriding, the truckers who are participating in, in
35:39
protest, ride against the vaccine mandates, whether in
35:43
Canada are here in the US, none of those politicians who are
35:47
deriding them. Would dare to stand face to face
35:51
in front of one of these rugged truckers.
35:53
Yeah, you know, they would say well, They call that they would
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be bored courage. There would be immediate
35:59
consequence and so they have a false bravery on social media.
36:05
That that never would be the case if this thing hadn't hadn't
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been, you know, been there as a symptom of the materialism.
36:14
Yeah. So it's it's created a really
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pathetic state of affairs. You know, another thing to your
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Ranch a book, you know, talks about is In there's a section on
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political sovereignty. I think it's actually in paper
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134 and it talks about the maturity of political leaders
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and of Statesmen. And, and one of those, you know
36:46
what, what is discussed there is being able to understand those
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those who are in other countries.
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And understand their position. Not just having us a selfish
37:01
position for your own interest. But also understanding what is
37:07
going on in the psychology of others who are living in, in, in
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other nations. Yeah.
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And, and I'll tell you this, this is something that has
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really come from Square in front of me.
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In the last few days with this Ukrainian conflict.
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I have a Brother-in-law who is a retired Navy intelligence
37:32
officer, he's a military historian who has a specialty in
37:37
Russia and Europe and I had asked this brother-in-law of
37:42
mine just a few days ago if he would be willing to essentially,
37:47
put it on a class for my family and for friends and he and he
37:53
graciously agreed to do that. So, so just a few Days ago, we
37:57
had a 90-minute zoom call where he basically outlined the
38:06
geography, the history, the geopolitics, and the psychology
38:13
of the Russians, and it was so enlightening gem.
38:19
Because what, when, when you look at it, like in the case of
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Russia, they have been do Heard so many invasions of foreign
38:30
powers over the last 1,000 years.
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It's very it's very understandable why they might
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have a type of paranoia when it comes to National Defense.
38:45
You know? They've been invaded by Vikings
38:47
by Mongols by swedes by French. That was Napoleon.
38:54
Yeah. Bye-bye the The Ottoman Empire
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that actually resulted in the destruction of Moscow.
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That was back in the 1500s and they were invaded by Germany by
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Hitler's forces. And when you look at what
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happened there in that conflict of World War Two and Russia, the
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statistics are startling, and I had not heard this before.
39:18
Until my brother-in-law was was discussing it.
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The other night, they said, you know, during WWII Rush Russia
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lost 10 million of their military.
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And 14 million of their civilians.
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It Ward War to a total of 24 million.
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Human lives, the Russian human lives, lost in World War Two.
39:46
Now, how did that compare to to, you know, the US and Britain?
39:52
Well, the in the u.s. we lost 400,000 and they were almost all
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military. Same thing for the UK.
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They lost about 400,000. More higher slightly higher
40:04
percentage of civilians than military than the us.
40:07
But combine, the US and UK lost 800,000, Russia lost 24 million.
40:17
And and as far as inflicting casualties on Hitler's military,
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Russia accounted for 75% of the German losses.
40:28
So so Enterprise That they were so instrumental in WWII being
40:37
one for the allies and that they paid the greatest Price in
40:42
blood, that that the world has forgotten the role that they
40:47
played. So just knowing that actually
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helps me understand a little bit of what's happening right now.
40:54
Exactly. And that was the that was the
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whole point of me. Asking my brother-in-law to
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please, enlighten us, you have information, we see all this
41:03
propaganda on the news, social media, all these sound bites,
41:08
but they largely are taken out of context and without much of
41:12
the real history behind this. Much less the psychology that
41:17
might be part of the leadership of Russia.
41:21
Putin and particular. Why is he acting?
41:24
Getting paranoid. Well, when you see the history
41:28
and when you you see that that this was a this was and
41:32
continues to be a powerful Nation, a proud nation and a
41:39
heavily armed Nation. Well, they have been essentially
41:45
humiliated since the fall of the Soviet Union and when when the
41:51
the NATO alliance Continued to advance Eastward toward the
41:59
borders of Russia. That's, that's been continued
42:03
but that's been construed as a direct threat to Russia's
42:08
national security. So other people don't understand
42:11
the history are just like, well, what's the big deal?
42:13
You know, NATO's are good. They're good guys.
42:16
They're the white hats, right? Us are the good guys, in the
42:19
white hats and why are you acting paranoid?
42:22
Well, someone like Putin just go.
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Goes. Well, what did those white hats
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do in Iraq? They destroyed a whole country.
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What they do in Syria. They destroyed a whole country.
42:30
What they do at Libya, what they do in Afghanistan after after,
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you know, Russia's own blunder in Afghanistan.
42:38
Okay. So they don't look at that.
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The u.s. and the NATO forces as white hats.
42:44
Yeah. Okay.
42:45
They look at things in the context of their own history of
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being invaded, those which provides a very Context and it
42:55
plays to the point of the way we get Beyond this point where we
43:00
have these horrific Wars staring us down is what you say, wisdom,
43:07
a learning about the other people if we applied the quality
43:12
of thinking that could produce wise leaders who have far-seeing
43:17
vision and what's ultimately good for Humanity.
43:21
So, but we're not there yet, we're nowhere near There.
43:24
And the next year. Next two years I've often said
43:28
that you know the next this generation is going to determine
43:32
the next 500 to 1,000 years, depending on who ends up.
43:36
Yeah. And so, but you just said a
43:39
mouthful right there. Jim.
43:40
Yeah. So we're going to have to kind
43:42
of leave it, I think, because we've been going about 45
43:45
minutes and I want to talk more and there's so much more to talk
43:50
about. So the good news is you're going
43:52
to come back and we're going to continue.
43:54
We're going to have other discussions, the bad news is we
43:57
got to end, it was my fourth interview of the day and I'm I'm
44:04
tired. But is there any closing ideas
44:08
thoughts that you absolutely want to convey to the listeners?
44:14
Yes, my closing thought would be as dire as things might appear
44:20
on our planet that we should place our faith in our creator
44:28
and in the Divine intelligence has who are serving us and who
44:34
are overseeing this planet. And we should remember that.
44:39
The primary teachings of Jesus are the The fatherhood of God in
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the Brotherhood of Man and that it might take a while, it might
44:50
take many generations but we are just in to learn that lesson in
44:57
full the fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man which
45:01
implies that we are all one family where one human family
45:06
were one Divine family as well and there will be a day when we
45:10
can see each other through. In light of that family.
45:15
And then war will not go on. We'll have the opportunity for
45:22
really a true Global Peace and then the opportunity to move
45:27
forward as a family and and do do amazing things on this planet
45:33
and perhaps reach out to other inhabited planets in ways that
45:38
we can't even imagine right now, we're not.
45:41
We're closer than we think. Ink.
45:44
So yes and present tensions are helping us to grow and mature.
45:51
So no growth occurs without challenge.
45:54
Yeah. And we have a lot of challenges
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to to encourage that growth, Joel Garvin my guest.
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This time up on Z Ranch, Radio podcast, thank you so much for
46:05
for coming on Joel. Thank you, Kim.