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The Late Debate | 10 July · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lateener, welcome the Late Debate.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Joe Hilda Brand. You'd
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Speaker 2: be familiar with how some parents do a gender reveal
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Speaker 2: to show the gender of their newborn child.
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Speaker 3: Well we've got a very unusual.
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Speaker 2: Gender reveal to show you a little later in the program. Plus,
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Speaker 2: when we look at the papers, the Tasmanian government promised
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Speaker 2: to build ten thousand new homes, turns out they've built
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Speaker 2: six in six years. And a story on the front
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Speaker 2: page of Tomorrow's Australian detailing how labor MPs have been
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Speaker 2: told to stop posting silly memes about nuclear energy if
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Speaker 2: they want to win the debate.
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Speaker 3: Who knew.
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Speaker 2: We talk about all of that soon, but first let's
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Speaker 2: talk about youth crime because it's a huge problem in
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Speaker 2: the country, but what to do about it. Well, in Queensland,
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Speaker 2: David Chris A. Fooley is proposing adult time for adult crimes,
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Speaker 2: where if a young person commits a serious offense, they'll
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Speaker 2: be sentenced as if they're an adult. In South Wales
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Speaker 2: you've got wanding laws where police will be able to
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Speaker 2: search young people for knives. But in Victoria, well, they're
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Speaker 2: going with a novel approach encouraging teenagers to dob on
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Speaker 2: each other. The program is called Share if You Care.
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Speaker 2: But for the idea to work well, Crime Stoppers will
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Speaker 2: need to overcome the natural reticence of young people to
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Speaker 2: dB each other. In here's Crime Stoppers Chief executive Stella
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Speaker 2: Smith explaining part of that problem.
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Speaker 4: We also want to overcome or challenge that thinking around
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Speaker 4: snitches get stitches, which is a common thing that we
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Speaker 4: hear from young people. But I would say to them,
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Speaker 4: who does that narrative actually protect? So if you're thinking
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Speaker 4: about that in family violence incidents, in child sexual abuse cases,
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Speaker 4: that's a narrative that serve perpetrators really really well. What
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Speaker 4: we're saying to young people is you have the power
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Speaker 4: to make a difference. Trusters, come forward with your information
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Speaker 4: and let us do something to actually solve some of
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Speaker 4: these issues in the community.
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Speaker 2: Now, Joe and Liz, if they can get over the
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Speaker 2: reticence of young people to dB in their mates, the
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Speaker 2: idea has some mirrit because what they're working on is
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Speaker 2: a lot of young people they've got their phone, so
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Speaker 2: they record crimes and they either post it online or
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Speaker 2: they share it with someone else, and so what they've
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Speaker 2: done is created a website where they've said, if you've
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Speaker 2: got those images or that video on your phone, you
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Speaker 2: can send it in, upload it anonymously, and then police
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Speaker 2: can take it from there.
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Speaker 3: What do you think. Look, obviously, the kids who are
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Speaker 3: doing these crimes and then posting about them doing the
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Speaker 3: crimes themselves is deplorable. Posting about it is just idiotic
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Speaker 3: and also deplorable because it actually fuels more crime, because
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Speaker 3: it becomes a sort of cycle of braggadocio where each kids,
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Speaker 3: I know they don't know what bragadocio means, but you know,
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Speaker 3: we're a cycle where each kid they try to outdo
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Speaker 3: each other, and that is what has been happening. I
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Speaker 3: think comparing these kids to pedophiles and domestic violence perpetrators
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Speaker 3: is maybe a bit much.
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Speaker 5: That's what they're going to be say.
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Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, I think that's a bit weird.
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Speaker 3: But again, saying oh, we've got to change the narrative
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Speaker 3: around stitches, get stitches, Well, how about you change the
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Speaker 3: narrative around the stitches. In other words, how can you
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Speaker 3: guarantee that someone even if they're able to upload the
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Speaker 3: video anonymously. Whoever gets caught as a result of that
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Speaker 3: is going to know that someone who had that video,
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Speaker 3: someone in their circle, someone who there will be no
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Speaker 3: doubt some kind of paper trail from or the kid
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Speaker 3: will remember did that. And so how I mean, I
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Speaker 3: grew up in a pretty, you know, rough suburb at
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Speaker 3: the time. You know you didn't you didn't snitch, not
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Speaker 3: necessarily because of just some you know, code of honor,
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Speaker 3: as though you were sort of, you know, a boy
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Speaker 3: scout who had sworn an oath of allegiance to whoever.
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Speaker 3: You didn't snitch because you're scared of the payback. That's
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Speaker 3: where the stitches come in. And so I think let's
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Speaker 3: talk about the narrative and more talking about the stitches.
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Speaker 3: Maybe that might convince them kids to come forward.
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Speaker 6: That was my thoughts exactly when she's like, snitches get snitches.
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Speaker 6: But think about it, who does that narrative protect? It
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Speaker 6: protects the person who doesn't snitch because they know they're
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Speaker 6: going to be the one to get the stitches.
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Speaker 5: Hence the saying lady.
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Speaker 6: But of course the anonymity part of this is what
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Speaker 6: crime Stoppers is leaning most heavily on. Encouraging young people, Hey,
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Speaker 6: you can just upload it. No one will ever know
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Speaker 6: it's you, although they might remember who was there at
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Speaker 6: the time, and who had their phones out, and who
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Speaker 6: are their friends that they might have shared that footage with.
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Speaker 6: But here is Stella Smith from Crime Stoppers, once again
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Speaker 6: underlying this idea of it will be completely safe kids
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Speaker 6: just upload anonymously.
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Speaker 4: We can have young people sharing video footage with us
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Speaker 4: on our website. Very easy to report to crime Stoppers.
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Speaker 4: Obviously you can do it over the phone, but the
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Speaker 4: online reporting platform for us has really taken off. Around
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Speaker 4: two thirds our report in Victoria are received online and
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Speaker 4: many of those have video footage with them. So what
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Speaker 4: we're saying to young people is, if you have this
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Speaker 4: video footage on your phone, or you have video footage
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Speaker 4: that you've filmed and put somewhere else, share it with
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Speaker 4: crime Stoppers so that we can actually do something about it.
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Speaker 4: Don't you share it with your friends. Don't leave it
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Speaker 4: and ignore it.
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Speaker 7: Now I'm really torn over this because obviously we all
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Speaker 7: remember the school yard where it was always the teachers
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Speaker 7: who encouraged dibberdobbing and all the students who despised it
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Speaker 7: and that's something that I think is ingrained in Aussie culture.
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Speaker 6: Nobody likes a dibb adobber. And I've noticed that the
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Speaker 6: state has more and more encouraged people to go down
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Speaker 6: this route, whether it's illegal parking. They've now got this
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Speaker 6: new app that you can go on. There's been six
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Speaker 6: thousand reports just this year. If you see someone illegally
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Speaker 6: parked in your neighborhood, tell the state about them and
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Speaker 6: just as will be done.
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Speaker 5: So there's that kind of dabbing going on during the pair.
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Speaker 5: In July twenty.
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Speaker 6: One, we saw crime stoppers get ten thousand calls dabbing
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Speaker 6: people in post a anti lockdown rally that.
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Speaker 8: Only had three thousand, five hundred attendees. Three thousand, five
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Speaker 8: hundred attendees and ten thousand people who were friends or
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Speaker 8: family or maybe saw photos online who were then ringing
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Speaker 8: up crime stoppers to be like, I'm here to dob
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Speaker 8: do you want to.
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Speaker 6: Know their names and numbers? I find that truly frightening.
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Speaker 6: It does remind people of Nazi Germany, the USSR, where everyone.
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Speaker 5: Became community informants.
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Speaker 6: And the kind of distrust that creates amongst neighbors and friends,
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Speaker 6: family otherwise tight knit communities is something I think the
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Speaker 6: society really does roll their nose up at and should
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Speaker 6: obviously in this context, they're just trying to, hey, get
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Speaker 6: you guys to help us out with your own youth
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Speaker 6: crime problem.
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Speaker 5: Just don't know that it's going to be popular and
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Speaker 5: amongst youth.
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Speaker 9: And I don't think it should be because we all
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Speaker 9: know we've now got issues like climate change breathing down
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Speaker 9: our necks where it's just going to be a matter
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Speaker 9: of time where that will to be a dibber dobber as.
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Speaker 3: The highest crime stuffers. Next door's got your reconditioner on. Again.
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Speaker 3: They don't even have soul luck.
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Speaker 6: Joe's had two barbecues within the last month. Okay, we're
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Speaker 6: only allowed one according to state rules.
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Speaker 8: I saw him drive his car three times last week.
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Speaker 5: That's exting.
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Speaker 2: This is because this is where you've this evidence of
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Speaker 2: a cross on your look.
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Speaker 3: I don't mind that. I don't I don't mind that
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Speaker 3: they're doing it and that they're trying to solve those crimes.
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Speaker 3: But again, I'm just not convinced that she's speaking the
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Speaker 3: language of the youth, you know what I mean. Think
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Speaker 3: about it. We have we have a website now that's
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Speaker 3: proving quite popular with the kids today. It's on the
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Speaker 3: largest upload your video to our HTTP address on the
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Speaker 3: World Wide Web. And if you do that, then you
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Speaker 3: will know that you have served your community well. Because
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Speaker 3: when you think about it, we do have to change
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Speaker 3: the narrative of that old say you get to it again,
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Speaker 3: like if you're gonna ask, like you're not just asking
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Speaker 3: young people, like any young person is not looking at
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Speaker 3: that yeah word, you know, okay boomer, you know, no
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Speaker 3: young person is actually listening to that full stop let swift.
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Speaker 3: Let alone, that's right. Let alone.
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Speaker 10: A young criminal, a young violent criminal who is hanging
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Speaker 10: around taking videos of you know, his mate bashing other
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Speaker 10: people or doing break and enders or whatever it is
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Speaker 10: that they do.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to respond to that. I
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Speaker 3: would do something like we'll give you some cash and
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Speaker 3: you won't get bashed for a tag of courses.
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Speaker 2: They're putting it on teenagers to dob in their mates,
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Speaker 2: when the real issue is the Victorian government want to
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Speaker 2: raise the age of criminal responsibility. We all know they've
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Speaker 2: been lax on bail conditions. The police force aren't respected
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Speaker 2: because they've got this you know, pick and choose attitude
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Speaker 2: when it comes to crime. If you protest lockdowns, you
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Speaker 2: get shot with a rubber bullet. But if you protest
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Speaker 2: in favor of Palestine and do all sorts of disruptions,
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Speaker 2: somehow police stand back. And then you've got the government
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Speaker 2: themselves who are incredibly arrogant, full of secrecy. And we
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Speaker 2: wonder whether there's a youth crime problem. I wonder where
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Speaker 2: they're learning it all from.
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Speaker 6: Indeed, and look, it's not a dumb idea to just
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Speaker 6: be like, let's see if we can get the youth themselves.
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Speaker 5: To dB each other in.
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Speaker 6: But while an upload will be anonymous on the site,
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Speaker 6: you mean to tell me that crime Stoppers doesn't know
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Speaker 6: exactly who posted that and can they themselves contact that
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Speaker 6: person to find out more about Okay, who are these
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Speaker 6: people in the video?
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Speaker 5: It's not like they wouldn't then be there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure, well, I'm sure they would just
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Speaker 3: maybe just by seeing the person's face, they would then
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Speaker 3: have the police database and the thing to match. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure it's probably not the first time a lot of
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Speaker 3: these people have come into contact with law. But again,
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Speaker 3: if this is their idea of a campaign that appeals
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Speaker 3: to criminal teenagers to come forward. And again it's a
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Speaker 3: very good point. Snitches get stitches could well be you
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Speaker 3: know Dan Andrews policy on hotel quarantine.
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Speaker 5: Who is in charge it? I just don't like this
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Speaker 5: ongoing idea of dog.
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Speaker 3: People into Yeah, now there's something a bit off about it.
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Speaker 5: Let State Daddy know and he'll If you can't.
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Speaker 3: Rust your fellow criminal gang members not to w it,
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Speaker 3: who can you trust as crazy wealth?
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of anonymity, there's not much in schools run
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Speaker 2: by the Exclusive Brethren's parents of a network of private
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Speaker 2: schools run by the church sect of complaining their children
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Speaker 2: are being monitored for their online activity, both in school
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Speaker 2: and outside of school. Now, I've got a couple of
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Speaker 2: thoughts on this because there's a couple of issues. The
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Speaker 2: first is that these students are in thirty one campuses
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Speaker 2: across Australia, about twenty five hundred students. They're issued with
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Speaker 2: school laptops and so they know that their activity online
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Speaker 2: will be monitored by the school, but then it's reported
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Speaker 2: to the church that they're a part of. But more
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Speaker 2: than that, parents are expected to report any unauthorized online
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Speaker 2: activity from their kids to the church as well. One
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Speaker 2: of the parents from one of the schools told the
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Speaker 2: Guardian quote, you can't protect your child as a parent
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Speaker 2: without getting done as a member of the church. They're
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Speaker 2: looking for you to dob in your child if they're
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Speaker 2: doing anything the church doesn't like. So I've got two
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Speaker 2: thoughts on this. Number One, great to see some parents
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Speaker 2: taking some active interest in their children's online behavior. Would
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Speaker 2: that more parents would And good on the school for
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Speaker 2: doing that as well. I don't have any problem there.
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Speaker 2: But where it gets messy is then, according to reports
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Speaker 2: in the Guardian from parents and school staff, parents are
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Speaker 2: expected to report any misbehavior from their children to the church,
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Speaker 2: who then provide pastoral care, which starts to sound a
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Speaker 2: little imposing on a nuclear family.
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Speaker 3: Especially when we already know that snitches get stitches. Exactly
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Speaker 3: the parents are snitching on their kids, what kind of
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Speaker 3: example are they setting to the non dobbers of tomorrow.
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Speaker 6: Anyway, Sorry, I'm not quite sure what the idea behind
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Speaker 6: this of Firstly, farbeit from me to believe a Guardian report,
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Speaker 6: the OSG, the umbrella of these schools, does say nothing's
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Speaker 6: being breached in the Privacy Act. Everyone is aware of
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Speaker 6: the happening, all students they sign up for this when
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Speaker 6: they join the school, So I'm kind of like, who's
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Speaker 6: really complaining about this? Go to another school if you
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Speaker 6: don't like it.
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Speaker 9: Then they make a big deal about all their CCTV
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Speaker 9: camp all over our campuses.
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Speaker 5: There's CCTV all over every campus, as it should be.
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Speaker 5: That's just no brainer. And while we're.
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Speaker 6: Being watched constantly, it's a state of surveillance. I simply
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Speaker 6: don't understand why anyone would complain about this when this
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Speaker 6: is the system that you signed up to. And I
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Speaker 6: actually take my hat off to these people who are
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Speaker 6: taking very seriously, especially at a time when the government
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Speaker 6: is crowing about it every single day, the damage that
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Speaker 6: social media is doing to our young people. We've got
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Speaker 6: to protect them online. Well, these guys have just stepped.
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Speaker 5: In and done it themselves.
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Speaker 6: Now that isn't to say that these kids couldn't get
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Speaker 6: their hands on another device that isn't monitored. These are
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Speaker 6: school laptops, which I think all school laptops should have
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Speaker 6: very serious net nannies on them.
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Speaker 5: And some of the sites that are.
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Speaker 6: Banned include facebooks, So these kids can't be on school
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Speaker 6: laptops using Facebook. And we know that kids get into
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Speaker 6: trouble with those We're talking about social media and the
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Speaker 6: damage it does on young people. These guys are ensuring
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Speaker 6: well you can't even access it.
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Speaker 2: Do the imagine thing about this Joe, You would know
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Speaker 2: this is her parent, right is When I was a kid,
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Speaker 2: my mum and dad always knew where I was, then
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Speaker 2: who I was with.
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Speaker 3: They all knew that.
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Speaker 2: But these days your child can be sitting beside you
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Speaker 2: on the couch, they've got a device, and you don't
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Speaker 2: know where they are or who they're with. They could
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Speaker 2: be anywhere in the world, talking to absolutely anybody.
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Speaker 3: It's very difficult. You can that's right, and you try
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Speaker 3: and sort of do all the right things. You try
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Speaker 3: and put the parental controls and you try to do them,
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Speaker 3: but of course there's no way you can monitor everything
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Speaker 3: they're doing all the time know what you want to.
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Speaker 3: You want to equip them with the skills to be
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Speaker 3: able to use their judgment, to know when something feels off.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't feel right to have a relationship where they'll
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Speaker 3: tell you about things instead of being ashamed or embarrassed
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Speaker 3: and not tell you and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: But this story has got everything for me, Like the
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Speaker 3: idea that parents who have chosen to send their kids
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Speaker 3: to school run by the Exclusive Brethren and now complaining
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Speaker 3: that they seem to be kind of pretty strict and
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Speaker 3: stickless through the rules. I'd always try to ask and
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Speaker 3: what we're doing, And I was like, if you don't
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Speaker 3: want to be part of a community that has strict
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Speaker 3: rules and very strict expectations and a bit cloistered from
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Speaker 3: you know, other websites of those sorts of values, I
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Speaker 3: don't know, maybe don't join a cult like it's the
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Speaker 3: Exclusive Brethren. What about an Exclusive Brethren? Don't you understand?
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Speaker 3: I mean that does exactly what it says on the package.
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Speaker 3: They're exclusive and they're a Brethren, Like I just don't,
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Speaker 3: just like if you how are you complaining about this?
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Speaker 3: And how is any member of the Exclusive Brethren talking
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Speaker 3: to the Guardian? Have you gotta complain about him? At
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Speaker 3: let's complain about him to a newspaper? Then heard off like,
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Speaker 3: no way from the Exclusive Brethren is reading this? Oh jeems?
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Speaker 3: It says, did you see brother Michael, Brother Michael, have
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Speaker 3: you seen the Guardian? What's the Guardian? The Guyian like
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Speaker 3: our guardian Angel?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 3: Like you I mean like you know, it's just bumkers.
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Speaker 3: It is like, it's bumkers what they're doing, and it's
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Speaker 3: obviously ridiculously over the top. But if you go, if
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Speaker 3: you're hanging out with the Exclusive, if you're putting your
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Speaker 3: kids in your school exclusive Brethren, like, what on earth
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Speaker 3: do you expect?
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Speaker 5: You know what?
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Speaker 3: Oh this exclusive Brethren thing? Oh jase's a bit harder
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Speaker 3: that I thought. I thought they'd be a bit more
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Speaker 3: laid back. You know, they're not like this at the pub.
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Speaker 6: And it bears mentioning that the OSG do insist that
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Speaker 6: the Church is in no way involved in all this
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Speaker 6: surveillance that the parents are complaining of Chinese. It doesn't
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Speaker 6: make sense on quite a few fronts, but I'd say
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Speaker 6: it's just another stitch up by the Guardian on a
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Speaker 6: group of people who are obviously very, very churchy and
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Speaker 6: therefore probably not the Guardian's type. To a disturbing story
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Speaker 6: about an Australian engineer by the name of Robert Pether.
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Speaker 6: He was arrested in twenty twenty one in Iraq and
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Speaker 6: in what can only be described as completely trumped up chargers.
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Speaker 6: Nobody can make head nor tail of the case, but
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Speaker 6: he and his colleague have been in prison now in
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Speaker 6: Iraq for.
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Speaker 5: Over three years.
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Speaker 6: They were slapped with a sentence of five years and
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Speaker 6: find sixteen million dollars, and there they remain, despite what
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Speaker 6: the Albanese calls their very best efforts to get him out.
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Speaker 6: One wonders, though, why were we so aware of, say,
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Speaker 6: the case of cheng Lie, And yet have you ever
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Speaker 6: heard of Robert Pether?
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Speaker 5: Probably not well.
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Speaker 6: His wife has decided to take matters into her own hands.
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Speaker 5: After Defat has repeatedly told her it's best to stay quiet.
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Speaker 6: About this because that could impede our chances of getting
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Speaker 6: him out. She says, it has been a very, very
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Speaker 6: difficult journey, and after over three years, I have extreme anxiety.
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Speaker 6: I have panic attacks and a lot of mental health issues,
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Speaker 6: and a significant part of that is dealing with my
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Speaker 6: own government. It's a living hell, and every week we
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Speaker 6: wonder what new fresh level of hell we're going to face.
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Speaker 5: It really doesn't need to be this hard. Now.
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Speaker 6: The UN has said that in their estimation, he is
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Speaker 6: being arbitrarily detained.
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Speaker 5: The judge only looked at this for fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 6: They'd already been detained for five months waiting for their
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Speaker 6: movement in court, the judge slapped this five year imprisonment sentence,
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Speaker 6: this massive fine on them within fifteen minutes. And again
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Speaker 6: nobody knows what the details of this case is. They're
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Speaker 6: accused of fraud basically, but that's it.
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Speaker 5: And I say, hats off to his wife for just.
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Speaker 6: Going, okay, this isn't getting enough publicity.
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Speaker 3: It's it's publicity. Not all publicity is good publicity, despite
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Speaker 3: what I.
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Speaker 5: Think, No, after three years have been yeah.
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Speaker 3: I can understand why should desperate. I'm thinking, look, there's nothing,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing else we can do. I mean, obviously nothing
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Speaker 3: to lose at this. I mean, I know people who's
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Speaker 3: got to do this, do this job and do that
18:48
Speaker 3: sort of representation, and you know they do work very hard,
18:52
Speaker 3: often weighs very heavily on their conscience. Sometimes there's just
18:54
Speaker 3: nothing you can do. Regime like you're have in Iraq.
18:56
Speaker 3: I have no doubt. I mean, it's sort of immaterial
18:58
Speaker 3: what he is always't accused of doing. There's no natural justice,
19:01
Speaker 3: there's no due process, and so obviously the system is
19:04
Speaker 3: completely and utterly cooked. The question is whether Australia has
19:08
Speaker 3: any leverage with which to get him out, whether the.
19:11
Speaker 6: Content leverage if we don't have any not really like anyone.
19:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and look, I'm sure I'm sure there would
19:18
Speaker 3: be attempting to do that, and I'm sure if we
19:19
Speaker 3: had things, I mean, you can do things with cheng
19:21
Speaker 3: Leo was obviously a bit different because she was a
19:24
Speaker 3: very high profile journalist. There was impossible not to notice
19:27
Speaker 3: that she'd suddenly just disappeared. And of course you've got
19:29
Speaker 3: a media company that advocates for her, as we did here.
19:33
Speaker 6: But that's horrible to think just because she had profile.
19:36
Speaker 3: But again that's right, and again that may necessary that
19:40
Speaker 3: that could probably just as easily have backfired as it Well,
19:42
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone. I mean, I know I certainly did,
19:45
Speaker 3: and I know I know a lot of people, even
19:47
Speaker 3: people right at the very top of the government, and
19:50
Speaker 3: maybe it was as surprised as anyone else when suddenly
19:53
Speaker 3: China decided that they were going to release and that
19:55
Speaker 3: would have been done as part of, like you said,
19:58
Speaker 3: a suite of negotiations that would involved, you know, trade embargoes,
20:03
Speaker 3: which would have involved, you know, turning down the rhetoric
20:05
Speaker 3: on China, things a lot of people are around had about.
20:08
Speaker 3: So you know, these sorts of payoffs of the sort
20:11
Speaker 3: of thing that happen all the time. I wish these
20:13
Speaker 3: people every bit of luck in the world. It must
20:15
Speaker 3: be absolutely horrible for them.
20:17
Speaker 2: Let's have listened to Kylie Moore Gilbert. She founded the
20:20
Speaker 2: Australian Wrongful and Arbitrary Detention Alliance after she herself had
20:25
Speaker 2: been wrongfully detained in Iran for a couple of years.
20:27
Speaker 11: His her comments, Australian engineer Robert Pether has spent more
20:34
Speaker 11: than two years in a filthy Iraqi jail cell as
20:38
Speaker 11: a hostage in a contractual dispute between his employer and
20:41
Speaker 11: the Iraqi Central Bank. This loving family man must be
20:46
Speaker 11: allowed to return home to.
20:47
Speaker 5: His wife and kids.
20:49
Speaker 11: We are calling on the Australian government to bring him
20:51
Speaker 11: home right now.
20:54
Speaker 2: Now. The organization that she helped her found has persuaded
20:57
Speaker 2: the Senate to launch an inquiry into how Australia deals
21:00
Speaker 2: with people wrongfully detained. And there's a couple of issues
21:03
Speaker 2: they've found. This one is that there's no standalone office
21:07
Speaker 2: in this country dealing with the thousands of Australians who
21:10
Speaker 2: imprisoned all around the world. So there needs to be
21:13
Speaker 2: one place you go to it the moment you go
21:15
Speaker 2: to your consul official, who goes to defat and apparently
21:18
Speaker 2: you're always chasing different people. The other issue is there's
21:21
Speaker 2: no definition for wrongfully detained in this country. So while
21:26
Speaker 2: we've got thousands of people in prisons around the world,
21:29
Speaker 2: there's no easy way of defining who particularly needs government
21:33
Speaker 2: help and who does not, and so it's all pretty
21:37
Speaker 2: confusing at the moment. And the other problem, of course is,
21:40
Speaker 2: as you said, not all publicities good publicity. But if
21:42
Speaker 2: you feel like you're not getting anywhere, you feel like
21:45
Speaker 2: you've been given the run around in your own country,
21:47
Speaker 2: eventually you say, you know what, stuff, I'm going to
21:49
Speaker 2: speak to the media, and you may end up saying
21:51
Speaker 2: something that could jeopardize the case.
21:53
Speaker 3: In But it's also more just you don't want to
21:56
Speaker 3: get the country's back up, Like so when me my
22:01
Speaker 3: dad used to do letter writing campaigns for Amnesty International
22:03
Speaker 3: and stuff, and you're never writing a letter saying you evil,
22:06
Speaker 3: despotic dictator. You're locking this person up for no good reason.
22:10
Speaker 3: How dare you release them? Immediately you say, you know,
22:12
Speaker 3: dear Colonel Gaddafi, you know we realize that a man
22:17
Speaker 3: of your standing would never tolerate this happening. We are
22:20
Speaker 3: bringing to your attention this terrible injustice that some of
22:23
Speaker 3: your life and that's what the government's fought and that's
22:24
Speaker 3: why it's called diplomacy. But again, you know, if a
22:27
Speaker 3: Raq just doesn't care about that, I mean, it's pretty
22:29
Speaker 3: clear that there have been quite a few Iraqi regimes
22:32
Speaker 3: that don't really give much of a figure about what
22:34
Speaker 3: the West thinks of it, what the Western media thinks it,
22:37
Speaker 3: like Iraq's will see all this publicity, see all this stuff,
22:40
Speaker 3: and so why do we care? The The other question
22:43
Speaker 3: becomes that, all right, well, what leverage do we have
22:45
Speaker 3: on a in China? Obviously there's a trading relationship we
22:48
Speaker 3: have that we can lean on. Do we have any
22:51
Speaker 3: real relationship with the Raq apart from the fact that
22:53
Speaker 3: we sent troops there to have to work through lives
22:56
Speaker 3: so the US. So that's right, and you know, it's
22:58
Speaker 3: fair to say the Middle East has bigger problems on
23:00
Speaker 3: its plate right now. So again this is not clearly
23:03
Speaker 3: what this person is going through is horrendously in just
23:05
Speaker 3: and unfair. But unless Australia has something Iraq wants, there's
23:12
Speaker 3: there's a limit, Or unless Iraq is a good faith
23:15
Speaker 3: actor who believes in the rule of law, and you
23:18
Speaker 3: know international law.
23:20
Speaker 6: That is where comes in to create leverage. It's like, Okay,
23:24
Speaker 6: what do we have that you would want that we
23:26
Speaker 6: could possibly get.
23:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we've got some Iraqi prisoners here. I don't know.
23:30
Speaker 6: Let himself wrote a letter to Australia imploring Australians please
23:35
Speaker 6: do whatever you can. I imagine that is put pressure
23:38
Speaker 6: on your own government to get me out.
23:41
Speaker 5: He is a husband and father of four children.
23:44
Speaker 6: The letter that he wrote to Australia in part reads.
23:49
Speaker 5: If I can just get that up on the screen.
23:51
Speaker 6: I was forced to sign a pre written incriminating confession
23:54
Speaker 6: in Arabic, a language I don't read or understand, after
23:57
Speaker 6: being locked in a cupboard, dey raided and starved.
24:01
Speaker 5: There was no opportunity to defend myself.
24:05
Speaker 6: I have pleaded for three years for Prime Minister alban
24:08
Speaker 6: Easian Foreign Minister Wong to do everything they can to
24:12
Speaker 6: help me and.
24:13
Speaker 5: Get me home. So far, I just feel abandoned.
24:17
Speaker 6: I am sick and worried I will not survive this
24:20
Speaker 6: ordeal much longer. And indeed, knowing the conditions that he's in,
24:26
Speaker 6: what we do know of the conditions that he's in,
24:29
Speaker 6: one would wonder if he.
24:30
Speaker 5: Could could last another two years.
24:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:33
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of great injustices, Americans have Joe Biden as
24:36
Speaker 2: their president. He's currently hosting the NATO Summit, which must
24:40
Speaker 2: be awful for him because all the world's media are
24:43
Speaker 2: watching his every move for signs of dementia. A Fifth Democrat,
24:47
Speaker 2: one of his colleagues, has now come out calling for
24:50
Speaker 2: him to stand aside. And on top of that, Donald
24:53
Speaker 2: Trump has challenged him to a game of golf.
24:57
Speaker 8: I'm also officially challenging Crooked to an eighteen hole golf
25:02
Speaker 8: match right here.
25:04
Speaker 5: It will be among the most watched sporting events.
25:06
Speaker 8: In history, maybe bigger than the Ryder Cup or even
25:10
Speaker 8: the Masters.
25:13
Speaker 2: I just love the way to Trump may not help
25:15
Speaker 2: himself but challenge you to golf. But not just any
25:17
Speaker 2: golf game. This will be the greatest. He'll be bigger
25:20
Speaker 2: than the Olympics. It'll be bigger than Ben her Do Recon.
25:23
Speaker 2: He goes home at night and he just sits on
25:24
Speaker 2: his couch and thinks I was funny to He loves trolling.
25:28
Speaker 5: He is the ultimate troll. He loves trolling, and he's
25:31
Speaker 5: incredibly good at it.
25:32
Speaker 6: Of course, Biden is never going to take him up
25:35
Speaker 6: on this offer. His moments of being able to get
25:39
Speaker 6: around unaided don't really last longer than a breath mint. Nowadays,
25:43
Speaker 6: he is struggling physically as well as mentally, and this
25:49
Speaker 6: is something that an expert with regard to which disease
25:52
Speaker 6: is at Parkinson's decided to take to the airwaves in
25:56
Speaker 6: America and explain, I could actually have told you that
26:00
Speaker 6: this guy has Parkinson's, having just observed him across the
26:04
Speaker 6: way in a crowded shopping center.
26:07
Speaker 1: Word finding difficulties and that's not oh I couldn't find
26:10
Speaker 1: the word. That's from degeneration of the word retrieval area.
26:13
Speaker 2: He's also overcome stuttering though, could that be part of
26:16
Speaker 2: that too.
26:16
Speaker 1: No, this is not a palattle issue or a speech discrepancy,
26:19
Speaker 1: which is very different from a Lemono dysfunction actual word
26:22
Speaker 1: retrieval where you pick a similar question or talk around
26:25
Speaker 1: the issue. Plus the rigidity monotone voice, Wait, go back
26:29
Speaker 1: to that, the rigidity, loss of arms swing standing up
26:33
Speaker 1: lord Dotically, you notice when he turns it's kind of
26:35
Speaker 1: n block turning.
26:36
Speaker 3: It's not a quick turn.
26:38
Speaker 1: So that's one of the hallmarks of Parkinson's is rigidity
26:42
Speaker 1: and braded kinesias, slow movement, and he has that hallmark,
26:45
Speaker 1: especially with the low voices. That was a cold hypophonia.
26:50
Speaker 1: A small monotone voice like this over time is a
26:53
Speaker 1: hallmark of Parkinsonism.
26:55
Speaker 3: I could have diagnosed him from across.
26:56
Speaker 12: The mall, Parkinson's expert calling it loud and clear.
27:02
Speaker 6: And yet here is a picture of Biden determined to
27:05
Speaker 6: stay in the.
27:06
Speaker 5: Race at all costs. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
27:11
Speaker 5: That is a direct quote from Biden.
27:13
Speaker 6: By the way, he has declared, let me be clear
27:16
Speaker 6: as I can, I am staying in the race.
27:21
Speaker 3: I believe that image has been digitally altered. Look, they
27:31
Speaker 3: just had a bit of photoshopping there. He's got Kin
27:33
Speaker 3: Kardashian to do. The thing is it is honestly just extraordinary.
27:38
Speaker 3: And the fact that I think people in now I'm
27:41
Speaker 3: now seeing reports saying that most Democrats are still saying
27:46
Speaker 3: they support him. It's like, that's not really the point.
27:50
Speaker 3: It's not like whether or not you get fifty one
27:53
Speaker 3: percent of your own side saying that as the president
27:57
Speaker 3: and candidate and nominee they support you. It's kind of like,
28:00
Speaker 3: if any don't support you, that's a problem that is
28:04
Speaker 3: very bad on the logistics style of Joe Biden's particular
28:10
Speaker 3: mental acuity. We all know that he has come out
28:13
Speaker 3: and said, look, after eight pm, not at my best.
28:16
Speaker 3: It's probably bedtime, probably duck in for a nap. And
28:19
Speaker 3: so a reporter from Fox News in the White House
28:22
Speaker 3: decided to really get to the bottom of what this
28:25
Speaker 3: means for the security of the United States of America.
28:30
Speaker 3: I mean, what if the axis of evil doesn't sleep
28:33
Speaker 3: after eight pm Eastern? Have a little see that.
28:37
Speaker 1: The Pentagon at some point picks up an incoming nuke.
28:40
Speaker 6: It's eleven pm.
28:42
Speaker 3: Who do you call the first leady?
28:44
Speaker 13: He has a team that.
28:45
Speaker 5: Lets him know of any of any news that is.
28:49
Speaker 13: Pertinent and important to the American people. He has someone
28:52
Speaker 13: or that is decided on obviously with his National Security Council.
28:56
Speaker 5: And who gets to tell him that news.
29:00
Speaker 3: Poor old Korean Jean Pierre. She's not having a good days.
29:04
Speaker 3: She says, It's all right.
29:05
Speaker 2: Joe Biden has he has a team of doctors of neurologists.
29:12
Speaker 2: But then the other part about this is you've got
29:14
Speaker 2: the press now in the White House briefing room openly
29:18
Speaker 2: mocking the President of the United States and his White
29:21
Speaker 2: House spokesperson clearly just looking incredibly uncomfortable and not even
29:26
Speaker 2: really trying to hand or diffuse. She just wants to
29:29
Speaker 2: get out of there.
29:30
Speaker 5: It could not be any.
29:31
Speaker 3: Worse, and it's terrible, Like, how would you wish that
29:34
Speaker 3: Joe on someone you might as well be giving the
29:36
Speaker 3: job of, you know, selling, will he jumpers to estimate?
29:41
Speaker 3: It's just amazing. It's I cannot believe that it has
29:46
Speaker 3: gotten this far. I still just do not understand how
29:49
Speaker 3: like he hasn't just been blasted out by everyone anyone
29:53
Speaker 3: with the past failing that, where is the CIA when
29:55
Speaker 3: you need them?
29:57
Speaker 2: And yet they conu RFKM.
30:00
Speaker 5: Come on, you've done it before, you can do it again.
30:02
Speaker 3: We know, isn't there a switch or something that they
30:06
Speaker 3: can just like I've got to power him down, he's
30:08
Speaker 3: gone row.
30:09
Speaker 2: Yet they continue to insist that, you know, everything is fine.
30:11
Speaker 2: Have listened to John Kirby and Kareine Jean Pierre talking
30:15
Speaker 2: about how Joe Biden will hold a series of press
30:17
Speaker 2: conferences which they are calling big boy press conferences.
30:23
Speaker 4: After that, the president will hold a press conference.
30:25
Speaker 11: I guess a big boy press conferences.
30:27
Speaker 5: We're calling it, and take some questions from me.
30:29
Speaker 13: On this week, President Biden will speak to national labor
30:33
Speaker 13: leaders of a fl CIO host the Natal Summit to
30:36
Speaker 13: show the unprecedented strength of our alliance. Holy press conference,
30:41
Speaker 13: a big boy prince conference. According to Justin Sink from Bloomberg.
30:45
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's called a big boy press conference because Lizzy,
30:48
Speaker 2: if he does a good job, they say, good boy,
30:51
Speaker 2: you've been in Good boy.
30:56
Speaker 3: He's getting out of the shorts. He's putting his big
30:57
Speaker 3: boy pants on. Sadly, as we know from Willpi Goldberg,
31:01
Speaker 3: those pasts last night.
31:04
Speaker 5: Okay, let's not go back.
31:06
Speaker 12: So, speaking of very concerning issues, the legal immigrants in
31:12
Speaker 12: America are very worried about how the illegals may vote
31:16
Speaker 12: in the coming election. Here is one of those legal
31:20
Speaker 12: migrants saying, guys, please don't vote for the nearly dead guy.
31:27
Speaker 14: So, as a new American who'll be voting for the
31:29
Speaker 14: first time for president this November, I have one big
31:33
Speaker 14: fear for a country. Recently, I've spoken to multiple people
31:37
Speaker 14: who plan to vote for Joe Biden, and the sentiment
31:41
Speaker 14: I keep getting is that it doesn't matter. If Joe
31:45
Speaker 14: Biden gets wheeled into the White House every morning, they
31:50
Speaker 14: will vote for him. They have convinced himself that a
31:54
Speaker 14: nearly dead to Joe Biden is better than any alternative.
32:00
Speaker 14: This is where we have gotten to as a country
32:04
Speaker 14: and as an immigrant who.
32:05
Speaker 3: Loves this country.
32:06
Speaker 14: This is a sad state of affairs.
32:11
Speaker 6: There you have a new migrant being like, guys, please
32:15
Speaker 6: do not do this, do not go down this path.
32:19
Speaker 6: But we do know in fact that this is happening.
32:21
Speaker 6: What you're about to watch is a footage of a
32:25
Speaker 6: worker from me, familiar voter in Palm Beach, who is
32:29
Speaker 6: just out the open registering voters near the Department of
32:33
Speaker 6: Motor Vehicles. Check out what she says to what's asked
32:36
Speaker 6: of her?
32:38
Speaker 1: What do you have to have to sign up the group?
32:40
Speaker 2: A driver's license?
32:41
Speaker 5: You know?
32:42
Speaker 13: No, no, no, you have to be a US citizen.
32:44
Speaker 5: It's a friendly name. But how do you approve it though? Oh,
32:48
Speaker 5: you have to trust in the people. If they lie, no,
32:51
Speaker 5: listen to me. If they lie, you know what exactly?
32:55
Speaker 7: You know when.
32:57
Speaker 2: Always hazing anybody in this time, Yes they do.
33:02
Speaker 3: If they do the polony and you're never gonna become
33:05
Speaker 3: a US citizen.
33:05
Speaker 5: If you do that felony.
33:07
Speaker 6: Never know, those Dems know exactly what they're doing. And
33:13
Speaker 6: for those saying, oh no, if you're not a citizen,
33:16
Speaker 6: you can't vote, it's that simple. I don't understand why
33:19
Speaker 6: they keep saying allowing ten thousand illegals over the border
33:23
Speaker 6: during the Biden term may lead to any kind.
33:26
Speaker 5: Of election rigging.
33:28
Speaker 6: This is one of the most comprehensive explainers I have
33:31
Speaker 6: ever read, and I found it on Twitter, the great
33:34
Speaker 6: platform that it is. This explainer says they are not
33:37
Speaker 6: importing Democrat voters, They are importing people names, and that
33:42
Speaker 6: allows the state fraud process to generate ballots.
33:46
Speaker 5: This is an important distinction. The migrants will not use
33:50
Speaker 5: the ballots.
33:51
Speaker 6: The DNC harvesters collect them, fill them out, then the
33:55
Speaker 6: precinct workers will scan.
33:57
Speaker 5: Them and count them.
33:58
Speaker 6: Illegals don't need to vote, They only need to exist
34:04
Speaker 6: to create a ballots.
34:06
Speaker 3: What does that mean? What do you mean what they're
34:10
Speaker 3: saying that that people because.
34:12
Speaker 5: You've got the names, You've got people, right?
34:15
Speaker 3: The Democrats any voting on their behalf.
34:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, like they did in twenty vote. You must have
34:26
Speaker 5: seen some of the footage one of them was caught
34:29
Speaker 5: live on air.
34:30
Speaker 6: A CNN reporter was standing near the voter booths and
34:33
Speaker 6: there was someone stuffing it right behind them.
34:35
Speaker 5: I was watching it just today, laughing my head off.
34:38
Speaker 6: These guys were caught like stuffing votes into these voting ballots,
34:43
Speaker 6: not the one that you're supposed to have.
34:44
Speaker 5: Do you just believe none of that happened?
34:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe most of it didn't happen.
34:50
Speaker 2: That the problem at the Department of Motor Vehicles is
34:53
Speaker 2: in nineteen states in the US.
34:54
Speaker 3: You don't have to show ideas. Understand That's different to saying.
34:58
Speaker 2: What you get your driver's license, right, you don't have
35:00
Speaker 2: to show ID, and then on the driver's license form
35:03
Speaker 2: you also can get voter registration and you simply have
35:06
Speaker 2: to sign and you get it unless you don't.
35:10
Speaker 5: It's all.
35:10
Speaker 3: I understand that. But that's very different to saying that
35:13
Speaker 3: that there's some Democrat offerative somewhere who was just filling
35:16
Speaker 3: out all these ballot papers and then voting on other
35:19
Speaker 3: people who were therefore none of them could go and
35:21
Speaker 3: get their role anyway.
35:24
Speaker 5: Thousands of dead people voted.
35:26
Speaker 3: The final old American tradition.
35:28
Speaker 6: Okay, and you don't think that they would not anybody.
35:33
Speaker 3: There are always there are always regularities. The Department of
35:39
Speaker 3: the idea that this is happening on a masscar is
35:41
Speaker 3: not true.
35:42
Speaker 5: The department votivehicles.
35:44
Speaker 3: Illegals leaders as they're voting themselves. That's one thing, right,
35:49
Speaker 3: if they're coming in and you're saying they don't have
35:51
Speaker 3: sufficient idea, they may not be citizens, but.
35:54
Speaker 5: At least they're going and.
35:55
Speaker 3: Walking to because it's because this is the other great conspiracy,
35:58
Speaker 3: which is that you know that they're going in there
36:00
Speaker 3: for Democrats because the Democrats are the ones are soft
36:01
Speaker 3: on bodys. They're letting them in, so of course they're
36:03
Speaker 3: going to invote for them. Okay, so we say that,
36:05
Speaker 3: but the idea that someone is actually just fil not
36:08
Speaker 3: even having them go and sign off their names of
36:10
Speaker 3: the roles, but someone is filling in all the ballots,
36:12
Speaker 3: signing off all their names off the roll, and then
36:15
Speaker 3: just sticking them in.
36:17
Speaker 5: You can put it past them. When there is literal there
36:19
Speaker 5: are a countless.
36:20
Speaker 2: Video even if even if you want to argue the
36:23
Speaker 2: loss over that we saw evidence there that they're taking
36:26
Speaker 2: people's word for it that they're citizens as they're being
36:29
Speaker 2: signed up for voting forms. And these are people who
36:32
Speaker 2: entered the US illegally, So why would you take their
36:35
Speaker 2: word when the first thing they did coming to America
36:37
Speaker 2: was break the law.
36:38
Speaker 5: We're to go to a break.
36:39
Speaker 2: When we come back with what's making news tomorrow, right,
36:44
Speaker 2: welcome back. Most of us would be familiar with gender reveals, Liz,
36:47
Speaker 2: but you've got a very unusual one.
36:50
Speaker 6: I genuinely didn't think i'd live to see the day
36:54
Speaker 6: that a modern day online trend more awkward than those
36:59
Speaker 6: full term anked pregnancy shoots would rise. But today I
37:03
Speaker 6: discovered I was wrong. Ladies and gentlemen, the adult gender
37:08
Speaker 6: reveal for adults who believe.
37:10
Speaker 5: That they can and have changed their gender. Here's what
37:14
Speaker 5: they're up to now.
37:27
Speaker 12: I mean, so they had an awkward, awkward.
37:33
Speaker 3: Exchange. Yeah, and then had a gender reveal party.
37:37
Speaker 2: Some came out as a.
37:40
Speaker 3: Dead named I got it right. Yeah, it's awkward.
37:47
Speaker 4: Hey.
37:47
Speaker 2: We were talking about media training early and how the
37:50
Speaker 2: Queensland government is giving bureaucrats media training. Well, maybe US
37:54
Speaker 2: Congresswoman Maxine Waters should get some media training. Check out
37:59
Speaker 2: this car crash interview on CNN.
38:04
Speaker 15: They've seen President Biden, They've lived through his presidency. They've
38:07
Speaker 15: also seen former President Trump, they've lived through his presidency.
38:11
Speaker 15: They've heard these arguments about democracy, about the fate of
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Speaker 15: the election, and yet Trump is not only winning, but
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Speaker 15: winning increasingly by a larger margin. So what is the
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Speaker 15: plan among Democrats to change that trajectory? It sounds like
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Speaker 15: you're talking about saying and doing all the same things.
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Speaker 5: But do you believe that something needs to change.
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Speaker 3: I think we need to keep working.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not easy to be on TV. It can
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Speaker 2: be quite difficult and stuff. What do you think could
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Speaker 2: you relate to that at all?
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Speaker 6: For anyone who's been in a studio, you can, though,
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Speaker 6: So she clearly doesn't know that the camera's on until
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Speaker 6: she's talking.
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Speaker 5: So she's like, as long as the other lady's talking,
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Speaker 5: I'm going to fix my hair.
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Speaker 6: Although it was very hard to discern what she actually
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Speaker 6: wanted to achieve.
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Speaker 3: She was obvious same it was in the middle, it
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Speaker 3: was going off. It was obviously using her shot to
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Speaker 3: look at their hair and fix the hair. And I
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Speaker 3: just and again, we've all I'm sure everyone's been there
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Speaker 3: and it's all fined. But Maxine, that thing that you
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Speaker 3: were looking at that you thought was a mirror. It's
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Speaker 3: not a mirror, that's a television. And you're right, why
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Speaker 3: does every Democrat have dementia? What's fancy policy doing?
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Speaker 5: How do we get her? There's something in the water
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Speaker 5: in the demo.
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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for. But stick around because
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Speaker 2: coming right up is Danika Degeorgio with the Redependent Show.
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Speaker 2: All right, there's a lot making news in tomorrow's papers.
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Speaker 2: You get it here first, Liza, you've got the career mail.
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Speaker 16: Yes, I do the splash read spin Docks hired and
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Speaker 16: then fired. Queensland Health hired a communications agency to teach
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Speaker 16: top bureaucrats how to protect the government's image from LNP
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Speaker 16: attack when Parliamentary estimates hearings start this months. The article
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Speaker 16: goes on to say, in major revelations, it turns out
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Speaker 16: Queensland Health allocated tens of thousands of dollars to a
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Speaker 16: comms agency to deliver media training to its executives and
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Speaker 16: then when the Courier.
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Speaker 5: Mail asks questions about this, they quickly acts the whole thing.
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Speaker 6: So sorry, comms agency, you're not getting Queensland's tax by
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Speaker 6: your dollars. To pull the wool over their eyes regarding
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Speaker 6: their own health develpment.
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Speaker 5: That's true.
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Speaker 3: That's the worst spin possible. That is the worst pr possible.
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Speaker 3: Like surely the spin doctors who they will hired said no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: you can't sack us. Now they fight us, because that's
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Speaker 3: just admitting exactly that we were doing a dodgy job
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Speaker 3: and politicize the department. What you've got to do is
40:44
Speaker 3: keep us on so that we can then give you
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Speaker 3: really stodgy, boring, pointless advice that doesn't actually benefit you
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Speaker 3: that much but looks generic and apolitical and non partisan
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Speaker 3: in nature.
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Speaker 6: This is the health Department that when they launched their
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Speaker 6: new site, Shannon Fentamen, the health Minister, who incidentally doesn't
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Speaker 6: know what a woman is.
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Speaker 2: Maybe she could get a communications agency to help her
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Speaker 2: explain what a woman is.
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Speaker 5: That would be sure she has one on the job.
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Speaker 5: But clearly no one can.
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Speaker 6: Work that interrupt but no, they launched their ubute new
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Speaker 6: Health Department website and made headlines because they'd left out
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Speaker 6: massive chunks of data pre COVID, so people couldn't do
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Speaker 6: comparisons with regards to hospitalizations and how the hospitals were
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Speaker 6: actually performing in the state. Pre COVID as opposed to
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Speaker 6: during COVID as opposed to post COVID. These guys are dodgy,
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Speaker 6: dodge rama and now they've been caught out hiring these
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Speaker 6: spin doctors. And when they were caught out, they fired
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Speaker 6: and talk about we just admit we're in the wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just never admit. What do they do? Did the
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Speaker 3: website say Queensland hospitals are for Queenslanders? I thought that
41:57
Speaker 3: would be a nice headline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's their much From page of Tasmania's Mercury Search
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Speaker 2: for Home Truths reads the headline. The state government has
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Speaker 2: been accused of fudging its ten thousand new homes pledge,
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Speaker 2: as the Property Council says there's little chance of hitting
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Speaker 2: the target on time.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: The government have promised ten thousand new homes, but these
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Speaker 2: are not just any new homes. These are social and
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Speaker 2: affordable homes. They've promised ten thousand by twenty thirty two.
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Speaker 2: Turns out they've built just six in six years now.
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Speaker 2: The way they fudged the figures was they claimed they
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Speaker 2: built three thousand, four hundred and twenty two, which is
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Speaker 2: a fairly big difference between six and three thousand, four
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two. They were counting vacant blocks of
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Speaker 2: land where houses were intended to be built, which is
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Speaker 2: quite different to actually having built a house. Maybe they
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Speaker 2: could pick up the contract with that company in Queensland
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Speaker 2: to help them do a better job.
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Speaker 3: So they are literally building castles in the sky, it
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Speaker 3: will literally building castles on the ground.
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Speaker 5: It sounds a lot.
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Speaker 6: Like the federal government's plan which started this month. By
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Speaker 6: the way, the whole one point two million homes in
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Speaker 6: the space of five years oils down to tens of
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Speaker 6: thousands of homes every month starting this month.
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Speaker 5: Can't wait to see that.
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Speaker 2: It's just that the Liberal government in Tasmania they passed
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Speaker 2: legislation to quote unquote fast track development of social housing.
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Speaker 2: And for all their fast tracking six homes in six years,
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Speaker 2: well they're fast tracked the building.
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Speaker 3: If they're on a slow track, you don't understand. They
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Speaker 3: fast tracked the building of imaginary houses and that is
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Speaker 3: going completely on budget schedule. That's right. You just don't
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Speaker 3: believe enough, Johnt. But yeah, the state, it's a state
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Speaker 3: and federal housing target. And you'll be pleased to know
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Speaker 3: is that the incredibly beautiful and Chisels chris Min's has
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Speaker 3: already admitted that New South Wales is not going to
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Speaker 3: hit its target, which means that clearly everyone else wrote either.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, he's very honest. One of the reasons I
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Speaker 3: love him going to the Herald Sun now also a
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Speaker 3: very honest mastered youth crime crisis. This has been on
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Speaker 3: the front page of the Hunt many many, many, many
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Speaker 3: many million days in a row. Accused killer and violent
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Speaker 3: thug finally held behind bars amid pledged to slap anklets.
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Speaker 3: I think ankle bracelets on the fifty worst offenders by
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Speaker 3: the end of the year. It's about time. And the
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Speaker 3: story goes on two teams who have been bailed. Why
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Speaker 3: they would be on bail despite one being accused of
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Speaker 3: killing an innocent young man and the other maiming a
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Speaker 3: schoolboy And then of course we're out on bail to
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Speaker 3: roam free. Have finally been held behind bars. As police
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Speaker 3: and community anger grows over Victoria's youth crime crisis, that
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Speaker 3: Alan government has announced a bid to slap ankle bracelets
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Speaker 3: on fifty of the state's worst youth offenders by the
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Speaker 3: end of the year. Let's hope they're good boys before then.
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Speaker 3: With a push for up to two one hundred to
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Speaker 3: be tracked. You know when a socialist left labor government
44:56
Speaker 3: is slapping ankle bracelets on young offenders that they're they really,
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Speaker 3: they're really, there's a there's some serious internal focus groups
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Speaker 3: that are not looking good.
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Speaker 2: The thing that's made this headlines is a seventeen year
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Speaker 2: old accused of driving a car that killed somebody was
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Speaker 2: released on bail provided he was subject to a curfew,
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Speaker 2: but within a day and a half of getting home,
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Speaker 2: he disappeared for fifty two hours, no one knew where
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Speaker 2: he was. And last year, twelve to seventeen year olds
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Speaker 2: who were released on bail in Victoria two thousand, seven
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy times bail was breached by kids in
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Speaker 2: that age group. So I understand why the gun want
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Speaker 2: to track them, But who watches all these young people
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Speaker 2: being just.
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Speaker 6: If the numbers are that high, maybe think twice about bail.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is the thing. Why why would you be
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Speaker 3: on bail for an offense in which you have allegedly
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Speaker 3: killed kill someone?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty much or that sounds pretty serious.
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Speaker 3: We have say not too slightly different obviously, but we've
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Speaker 3: seen this happen time and time again with domestic violence cases.
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Speaker 3: As well, not just in Victoria but everywhere where someone's
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Speaker 3: been accused of domestic violence. They've been charged, they've been bailed,
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Speaker 3: and of course they've got oh well great, I've got,
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Speaker 3: you know, two months to finish the job. And then
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Speaker 3: they've gone and of course killed the person.
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Speaker 2: Final policy detention as a last resort. That's why they're
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Speaker 2: now various allegations back into the community exactly.
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Speaker 3: And this is why again in New South Wales, where
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Speaker 3: the great Labor right Premier Christians is in charge, they
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Speaker 3: now have a presumption against fail for all serious domestic violence.
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Speaker 5: A means you're not without some form.
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Speaker 6: I gotta give it to you to the front page
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Speaker 6: of the Australian. Now, Labor MP's told to keep their
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Speaker 6: distance on nuclear Labour's leadership is urging MPs to keep
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Speaker 6: their winter campaigns focus solely on cost of living, while
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Speaker 6: the nuclear debate is being left to Anthony Albanesi, Jim
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Speaker 6: Charmers and Chris Bowen. Amid concerns in ALP ranks, images
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Speaker 6: shared of mutant animals have been counter production. No, I
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Speaker 6: don't say, I mean when I saw some of these pictures,
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Speaker 6: I gotta.
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Speaker 5: Say I reconsidered the whole scene.
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Speaker 6: I mean, forget the fact that we're the only G
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Speaker 6: twenty country who still has a kibosh.
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Speaker 5: On anything nuclear. Forget the fact.
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Speaker 6: That the rest of the world, well the Western world,
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Speaker 6: is very much enjoying the.
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Speaker 5: Benefits of nuclear.
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Speaker 6: Forget that it's emissions free, it's got base load power.
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Speaker 6: Once you get it up and running, it is very affordable.
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Speaker 6: Forget the fact that it ticks every single box we
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Speaker 6: could possibly want here in Australia, especially sitting on some
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Speaker 6: of the world's biggest deposits of uranium. No no, I
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Speaker 6: saw these pictures and I thought twice so I'm really
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Speaker 6: not sure. While the ALP is telling people stop tearing them.
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Speaker 3: Again, just to clarify, every single one of those pictures
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Speaker 3: we just saw came from the left wing of the
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Speaker 3: alpage to Alan Andrew Lay from the ISICA and Unions Australia,
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Speaker 3: which is run by the left these days tragically as well.
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Speaker 3: But the article says that these are idiots are under
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Speaker 3: mine labour.
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Speaker 2: MPs have been told don't talk about nuclear, focused on
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Speaker 2: cost of living. Nuclear will be discussed by Elban, easy
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Speaker 2: charmers and Chris Bowen. Now we didn't show it, but
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen was doing memes of Peter Dutton as Sleeping
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Speaker 2: Beauty with the seven dwarves as the seven nuclear reactors.
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Speaker 3: But that's so that's different to saying that's sort of
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Speaker 3: funny and you know, like making the point about it.
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Speaker 3: That's different to saying, I know, if you have a nuclear.
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Speaker 2: React it's infantile and childish, and he's the energy minister.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a very nuanced contribution to public debate.
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Speaker 6: Is he from the right, Joe, he's from the right,
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Speaker 6: absolutely right individual.
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Speaker 2: We've got to go to a break when we come back.
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Speaker 2: A unusual kind of gender reveal that's coming up at
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Speaker 2: a moment.