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RUN WEEK: On Run Culture & Crews With Knox Robinson · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: It begins with us and as individuals, you got to
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Speaker 1: challenge yourself and believe in yourself. And this is why
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Speaker 1: I think is great for hurdlers, because that's who you
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Speaker 1: connect with, folks who are curious about the potential of curiosity.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that folks, wherever they are can
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Speaker 1: step out and challenge themselves to get out there and
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Speaker 1: run with the crew that meets on Wednesday, six point
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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here bringing you the final episode
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Speaker 2: of this special five part series of Run Week here
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Speaker 2: on Hurdle. This week, in honor of Global Running Day,
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Speaker 2: I brought y'all five episodes back to back, answering some
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Speaker 2: of your biggest running questions and connecting with some fantastic experts.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking Jess moivald, Aisha Prettier, Jess King, and today
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Speaker 2: Knox Robinson. Now Knox has been on the show before.
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Speaker 2: He is a writer, a runner, and the co founder
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Speaker 2: of a running collective which started here in New York
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Speaker 2: called Black Roses, which is super appropriate because for today's
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Speaker 2: episode we are chatting about running cruise and running culture.
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Speaker 2: Knox gives us some history of how they came to
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Speaker 2: be starting here in New York, and we talk about
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Speaker 2: the boom of running cruise collectives culture catching on worldwide.
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Speaker 3: We also talk.
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Speaker 2: About what to keep in mind if you are looking
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Speaker 2: to join a crew of your own, or perhaps if
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Speaker 2: you're just looking to find the right community to lace
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Speaker 2: up and get out with. Really, as always with anyone
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Speaker 2: who gives it to me, super appreciative of not is
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Speaker 2: time today. And also, if you haven't done so yet,
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Speaker 2: make sure to head on into Apple Podcasts or wherever
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Speaker 2: you get your podcasts, because Knox is a co host
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Speaker 2: on the relatively new podcast called Running Realized, and he
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Speaker 2: talks to us about what that's been like in today's episode.
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Speaker 3: Today.
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Knox Robinson. He is the founder
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Speaker 2: of Black Roses NYC. He's a writer, he's a runner.
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Speaker 2: You're also podcasting. Can we talk about that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm podcasting. I have a really fun project with
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Speaker 1: Tina Muir, who you know from her own incredible podcast
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Speaker 1: Running for Real, and so much of the credit for
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Speaker 1: this podcast that we're doing together. It's entitled Running a
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Speaker 1: Realized goes to her. So at the end of last year,
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Speaker 1: in the tumultuous times of twenty twenty, if we can
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Speaker 1: remember all the way back then, Tina really wanted to
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Speaker 1: continue to push the edge and really not just have
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Speaker 1: a podcast where folks dished and like wrung their hands
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Speaker 1: and kind of like we're kind of you know, spoke
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Speaker 1: about newfound politics or like urgent politics, but also with
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Speaker 1: some calls to action and exploring those in a different dimension.
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Speaker 1: So she called me. I tried to send her away,
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Speaker 1: but it was a kind of cool partnering up to
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Speaker 1: have two different voices and two different perspectives to not
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Speaker 1: only unpack challenges but look at paths forward and ways
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Speaker 1: for resolution and amelioration and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: So it's cool.
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Speaker 3: How have you liked podcasting?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's uncomfortable for me, but I think I'm
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Speaker 1: doing it because it's uncomfortable, so I like it. I
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Speaker 1: do have fantasies of just like being like a radio
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Speaker 1: shockhock and just getting on, or like a sleepy Sunday
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Speaker 1: jazz show host that has like three listeners and I
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Speaker 1: can just get on and just talk and then play
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Speaker 1: this nineteen fifty six record from Miles Davis. I want
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Speaker 1: either way, and a podcast is kind of in the
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Speaker 1: middle of that. So sometimes I'm like on the mic
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Speaker 1: with Tina and she's just like, what is happening? You're
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Speaker 1: out of control, you know.
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Speaker 2: So I would imagine co hosting with you would be
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Speaker 2: like such an adventure.
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Speaker 1: That's putting up politely. That's definitely a polite description of
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Speaker 1: the experience.
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Speaker 3: I think, well, congrats on this new venture for you.
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Speaker 2: I know that it might be a little uncomfortable, but
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that it's it's making and I've listened to
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Speaker 2: a few episodes myself.
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Speaker 3: A great impact in what you have going on.
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Speaker 2: And I'm grateful for your time today because I and
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Speaker 2: we were rapping about this before we started recording. But
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Speaker 2: something that is kind of like inside bubble talk is
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Speaker 2: that being in New York City or right now you're
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Speaker 2: you and I are talking and you're in LA we
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Speaker 2: have such great exposure to running community and running culture
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Speaker 2: in a way that individuals that may not be in
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Speaker 2: metropolitan areas like this don't have that kind of exposure too.
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Speaker 2: So when I was thinking about the different types of
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Speaker 2: episodes that I wanted to bring to the feed this week,
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Speaker 2: a special series of running, I just thought that this
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Speaker 2: was like a fun compliment to get some insight into
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Speaker 2: the history of running crews and community, especially with you
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Speaker 2: specifically being the founder of Black Roses NYC. You've certainly
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Speaker 2: made a place for yourself in this niche of speaking
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Speaker 2: a little bit about the history of run culture. Is
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Speaker 2: it interesting to you to be like that guy, like
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Speaker 2: kind of this running culture historian.
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Speaker 1: Well, on a personal ego level, it is very bizarre,
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Speaker 1: which also makes it a lot of fun and engaging
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Speaker 1: or keeps me going. But I think as a writer
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Speaker 1: and as a storyteller, if I like check into the narrative,
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Speaker 1: it makes sense. And that's kind of why I was
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Speaker 1: excited to get on the on the mic with you
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Speaker 1: today because you know, the reality is, yeah, I'm like
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Speaker 1: a co founder of Black Roses NYC and kind of
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Speaker 1: been around this sort of iteration of what we would
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Speaker 1: call like urban running culture or whatnot since very near
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Speaker 1: the beginning. At the same time, I'm also really polarizing figure,
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Speaker 1: and you know, not everybody. I'm not the bell of
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Speaker 1: the ball for sure, But you know, when you're a writer,
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Speaker 1: people don't realize you're not concerned with a popularity contest.
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Speaker 1: With a writer, You're just trying to be on the
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Speaker 1: scene and observe and remember and record and retel and share.
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to kind of like share whatever kind
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Speaker 1: of insights or anecdotes and perspectives that I have, even
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Speaker 1: as I'm I'm sure other folks in other camps might
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Speaker 1: be like.
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Speaker 2: Ah, the sound effects, the sound effects. Well, you, as
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Speaker 2: we've mentioned a couple of times here, founded a crew
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Speaker 2: out here, and I feel like, do you what was
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Speaker 2: the proper term you used?
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Speaker 3: The first time we recorded a collective.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I co founded with this incredible iconic
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Speaker 1: figure on the New York City scene, Jesse Zappo, and together,
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Speaker 1: you know, we were coming out of this first urban
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Speaker 1: running crew, bridge runners, and so many of the things
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Speaker 1: that we were putting into play when we founded Black
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Speaker 1: Roses NYC seemed quaint. Now you know we were. It
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Speaker 1: was men and women training together and doing the same workouts.
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Speaker 1: It was performance based workouts in a track setting with
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Speaker 1: you know, so people from an elite world are from
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Speaker 1: like a collegiate track background, I would have thought they
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Speaker 1: would have found the workouts obvious or boring. But no
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Speaker 1: one in New York was doing that. No one in
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Speaker 1: in urban running, even if it existed, no one was
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Speaker 1: doing workouts. And so I was bringing that parochial kind
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Speaker 1: of like Tuesday Thursday, this is what a track workout
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Speaker 1: thing is. So now all of a sudden, that's just
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Speaker 1: like a fun night out with Brooklyn Track Club. But
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Speaker 1: you know, when it was, you know, seven black women
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Speaker 1: running around a track on the East River in January
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Speaker 1: with no lights on and nobody there, it was it
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Speaker 1: was it was radical, you know, And then it was
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Speaker 1: radical men and women training together. You know, like again
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Speaker 1: this was Obama era. This was like black and white
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Speaker 1: and brown people all training together, and men and women
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Speaker 1: training together and sharing paces and sharing work and trading
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Speaker 1: notes with each other. And it wasn't like a male
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Speaker 1: ego camp over here and a women can't do as
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Speaker 1: much so they have a modified workout or they're slower
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Speaker 1: over here. It was like based on like African style,
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Speaker 1: like this is the work. Men and women you know
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Speaker 1: are going to do the same work. And again those
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Speaker 1: ideas seem kind of quaint now in the in the
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Speaker 1: house and times of this running boom. You know.
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Speaker 2: So you referenced Bridge Runners being the first urban run crew.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about what inspired you to create something
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Speaker 2: on your own or co create something on your own
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Speaker 2: in wake of that being founded.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Bridge Runners is an incredible cultural organization.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's founder, Mike Sace, is iconic in that way,
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Speaker 1: and the central concept of Bridge Runners is awesome and
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Speaker 1: is a historical fact. The thing about history is that
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Speaker 1: the sands shift under your feet. And I used to
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Speaker 1: just go to Bridge Runners because it was a fun
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Speaker 1: time and awesome people. And then I had my whole
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Speaker 1: secret sub elite life out in the woods where I
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Speaker 1: was like destroying myself in workouts or long runs or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But after I had like a particularly peak performance in
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Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon in twenty eleven, folks in
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Speaker 1: downtown running or urban running were like, wait, this is
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Speaker 1: the guy who comes and runs with us and burns
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Speaker 1: down the bridge and then goes to Sweet and Vicious
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Speaker 1: and drinks a lot of margarita's. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: How did this guy run you know, two thirty whatever
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Speaker 1: in the marathon and get one hundredth place? And so
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Speaker 1: so people started to ask me, started to want to
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Speaker 1: vet certain workouts, like oh, does this work out for real?
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Speaker 1: Or how do I get ready for a marathon? And
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Speaker 1: there was a little subtle shift in the conversation that
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Speaker 1: people thought that you could do more than just stay
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Speaker 1: out all night and show up to a marathon drunk
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Speaker 1: bandit and then struggle across the finish line and not
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Speaker 1: get a metal People are like, oh, and that kind
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Speaker 1: of interest was also already happening in Paris, in London
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Speaker 1: and Copenhagen, Tokyo in its way, And so people just
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Speaker 1: started to get at me and the writer in me
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Speaker 1: and someone who was coming out of like a lifelong
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Speaker 1: relationship with running culture begrudgingly started to like share some
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Speaker 1: insight and ideas and Bridge Runners wasn't really set up
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Speaker 1: for that, and the culture there wasn't really set up
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Speaker 1: for that, and so Zappo and I really wanted to
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Speaker 1: have a curated, dedicated group of people that we could
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Speaker 1: share training ideas with. I know, sorry to bore everybody,
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Speaker 1: this is like it was really boring, but yeah, it's boring.
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Speaker 1: But if you like dress it in all black and like,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, turn up, turn up the transgression,
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's a little sexy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what it was. And so we really wanted to
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Speaker 1: like deliver and serve these ideas instead of and just
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Speaker 1: to support people's interests in running, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: So what makes this a running collective slash a crew
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Speaker 2: versus just being a bunch of people that do the
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Speaker 2: same workouts, Because I think that's where the question comes
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Speaker 2: in from someone who may not yet have experienced something
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea of a collective really does come from
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Speaker 1: both art collectives in New York City of our generation,
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Speaker 1: but also you know, honestly like gorilla revolutionary collectives from
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Speaker 1: you know, the jungles of a child us. So the
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Speaker 1: idea that we're coming together and it's not about who
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Speaker 1: you are and what your job is, or how much
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Speaker 1: money you make or what your background is. The idea
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Speaker 1: that you come almost like faceless and nameless, and you
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Speaker 1: just put whatever you have into the experience. You put
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Speaker 1: whatever you have to contribute into the pot. And we
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Speaker 1: just wanted the idea that and everybody. It's a communist approach,
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Speaker 1: you know, scandalous as socialist ideas may be, it really
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Speaker 1: was the idea that about equality and everybody committing to
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Speaker 1: a central equality for the upliftment of the entire good.
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Speaker 1: It's not you know, in a traditional model of a
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Speaker 1: running club, you might pay your fee and get your
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Speaker 1: workout and kind of like demand that return on your investment.
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Speaker 1: But in a collective sense, the return in your investment
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Speaker 1: is the upliftment of the collective, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: And so I guess that's a kind of a bizarre
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Speaker 1: distinction between the two different but at least in my view,
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Speaker 1: that's sort of how kind of CRUs operate.
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Speaker 2: Were you pleasantly surprised by the direction that Black Roses
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Speaker 2: went in after you founded it. Did it exceed your expectations?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by like the high notes in
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Speaker 1: the contribution that Black Roses has made to culture, the
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Speaker 1: fact that it's a reference point in running corporations, and
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Speaker 1: the fact that on a cultural level it means folks,
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Speaker 1: means something to folks, not only in New York and
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Speaker 1: around the world. That's great. Some of the sustainability challenges
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Speaker 1: and the attrition that we've had have definitely given me
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Speaker 1: pause for the course of you know, almost ten years now,
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Speaker 1: and that's something that I continue to work through on
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Speaker 1: a daily basis. And part of that is like my
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Speaker 1: own personal failings, and part of that is structural challenges
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Speaker 1: and contradictions that come from doing something different or doing
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Speaker 1: something in a transgressive way, something that in a way
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Speaker 1: that highlights women or challenges women or supports women in
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Speaker 1: a performance context and not in like a lowest common
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Speaker 1: denominator way, something that centers black and brown people and
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Speaker 1: does not center white male authority or white male image,
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Speaker 1: or white male hegemony or white male ideas or thinking
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Speaker 1: all those kind of things. And I know this might
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Speaker 1: be scandalous to some people, but all those kind of
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Speaker 1: things and like a revolutionary historical context, are very very dangerous,
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Speaker 1: and so I can definitely be called into account for
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Speaker 1: the mistakes that I've made and will continue to make.
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Speaker 1: But on the on the other hand, as a student
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Speaker 1: of history and a student of politics, some of the
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Speaker 1: challenges that the organization has faced might be contextualized in
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Speaker 1: an understanding of just how transgressive and radical the presentation
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Speaker 1: of Black Roses and the proposal of Black Roses ny
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Speaker 1: SEE would be from the first.
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Speaker 2: Day for you, how long after founding Black Roses do
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Speaker 2: you start to see the emergence of other run crews
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Speaker 2: or collectives, either within the New York City area or
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Speaker 2: beyond that in some of the other major metropolitan cities
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Speaker 2: that you lifted from the get go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool, I mean it was it was
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Speaker 1: like it was like those evolution of those dinosaur dioramas,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we were doing our
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Speaker 1: thing and really focus on like our our camp, our
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Speaker 1: cadre of troops and like training those folks. And at
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Speaker 1: the same time, you know, Joe Denoto was really making
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Speaker 1: you know, pioneering moves with Orchard street runners, which when
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Speaker 1: as Bridge Rooms, we went out to this first bridge
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Speaker 1: the Gap, this first global gathering of like urban run crews.
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Speaker 1: It was April beginning of April twenty twelve, and maybe
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Speaker 1: there's like five crews on site and everybody ran and
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Speaker 1: partied and you know, there was brand support and everybody
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Speaker 1: was cool and meeting each other and a lot of
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Speaker 1: hijinks ensued. But like I got out there and ran
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Speaker 1: like seventy one minutes and the half marathon, and people
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Speaker 1: were like, wait, what, you can do that too, And
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Speaker 1: so I think that had like a galvanizing effect to
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Speaker 1: a crew like Ambro and Copenhagen that really coalesced and
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Speaker 1: obsessed around the performance ideal for both men and women.
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Speaker 1: Other crews, you know, really went deeper into just like
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Speaker 1: a community and a lifestyle sort of approach, and that's
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Speaker 1: equally interesting and valid. So it really was especially shared
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Speaker 1: over social media at that time, catching that algorithm wave
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Speaker 1: you really start to see started to see that. And
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Speaker 1: then also because crews are organic and crews are off
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Speaker 1: the grid, ideally they don't necessarily have the infrastructure of
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Speaker 1: the bandwidth to support a lot of nimble change and evolution,
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Speaker 1: and so sometimes, just like with Black Roses, or just
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Speaker 1: like with Bridge Runners before it, crews have to emerge
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Speaker 1: out of their incubators just to explore new ideas, just
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Speaker 1: to explore new neighborhoods, just to go after different things.
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Speaker 1: It happened in London, It's happened in New York, it
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Speaker 1: happened in Los Angeles. You know, it happened in Paris,
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Speaker 1: and it's exciting to see. Even though it may be
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Speaker 1: rupturous for the people involved, that sort of explosion is
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Speaker 1: just good for running culture. And also if we're thinking
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Speaker 1: about what's good for running culture, it's good for people.
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Speaker 1: It's good for the human heart. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me when we talk about the differences
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Speaker 2: between run crewise or collectives, and that a lot of
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Speaker 2: them had started out being very much about maybe the vibe.
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Speaker 2: And if you go check out a Bridge Runners run
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Speaker 2: versus a Brooklyn Track Club run versus a run with
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Speaker 2: Black Roses, Old Man Run Club, I mean, it can
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Speaker 2: throw out all of these different groups in at least
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Speaker 2: my area. There's a different vibe everywhere, and for many
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Speaker 2: of them it starts with the vibe. But then sometimes
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Speaker 2: I find, at least in my experience, it does get
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Speaker 2: to now this like pacing different level where it's almost
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Speaker 2: as though everyone there is there to lift everybody else up.
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Speaker 2: But I find myself sometimes like falling to the back
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Speaker 2: or feeling as though I can't keep up, and wondering
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Speaker 2: is the crew as a whole at the point where
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Speaker 2: the entire crew is on the level up?
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Speaker 3: Am I on the decline?
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Speaker 2: But it feels like every run crew that I get
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Speaker 2: together with now, whereas we used to maybe like it
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Speaker 2: used to be all about the vibe, it's like.
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Speaker 3: Not all about the vibe anymore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like all time and time again,
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Speaker 1: animal farm, Lord of the flies, like we are human animals,
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Speaker 1: and so the good things that really make us fall
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Speaker 1: in love with these sort of experiences can again shift
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Speaker 1: like sands under our feet. As I think, one of
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Speaker 1: the edges that I've had in my own personal sustainability
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Speaker 1: when folks wish I would go away year after year
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Speaker 1: and I keep coming back, coming back every year, is
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Speaker 1: that like I'm a student of the practice, and I
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Speaker 1: discerned early on. I perceived early on that there's a
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Speaker 1: cycle with so many new runners, like you get into it,
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Speaker 1: you're super passionate you wake up on morning and you
20:28
Speaker 1: accidentally signed up for a marathon and you got in,
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Speaker 1: so you're like, ah, So then you train or maybe
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Speaker 1: you don't, and it's your first marathon, so it probably
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Speaker 1: goes poorly, like ninety five percent chance it's going to
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Speaker 1: go poorly, and it's going to hurt, it might be humiliating.
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Speaker 1: But the thing about the marathon is for a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, when it's going so poorly, something in the
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Speaker 1: human brain happens where you're like, I could have done
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Speaker 1: this differently. I could have done that differently. And when
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Speaker 1: you cross the line and your body has rebelled and
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Speaker 1: you're shut down and you're depressed and you're humiliated, and
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Speaker 1: the lights are off and your family, your cheer section
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Speaker 1: has gone home, a lot of people, most people think
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Speaker 1: what could I have done differently? I gotta do it again,
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Speaker 1: and that sort of serotonin pump addiction keeps bringing us back.
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Speaker 1: And so then you train for your second one and
21:23
Speaker 1: you get a little more serious and maybe you change
21:25
Speaker 1: your nutrition or you run a little bit more, or
21:28
Speaker 1: you double not your shoes, or you like find a
21:30
Speaker 1: more structured organization, and so that evolution of people, it's
21:35
Speaker 1: the human brain that always wants to tinker and make
21:38
Speaker 1: something better. You know, we want a better iPhone, you know,
21:42
Speaker 1: we want a better you know, we want a better lifestyle,
21:46
Speaker 1: we want a better domestic partner. So that kind of
21:50
Speaker 1: thing that makes people want to tinker and do running
21:54
Speaker 1: better precipitates those conditions that you describe that aren't always
21:59
Speaker 1: the best. I think on the other side of that,
22:03
Speaker 1: if you ride that out, maybe you come back around,
22:07
Speaker 1: you know, in the ira Vedic sense of four different chapters,
22:11
Speaker 1: maybe you come back around to that, or maybe you
22:14
Speaker 1: have to go through ten cycles. I mean, I've run
22:16
Speaker 1: thirty marathons, and so maybe I'm coming back. I'm just
22:19
Speaker 1: now coming back after like a three year low period,
22:24
Speaker 1: like people haven't even been running for three years. I
22:27
Speaker 1: ran peak performances later in life that shocked me, and
22:34
Speaker 1: I fell into like the valley after because I didn't
22:38
Speaker 1: have an infrastructure even an understanding of how I ran
22:40
Speaker 1: that fast and then what to do after. I'm just
22:43
Speaker 1: now getting back into training three years later. So a
22:46
Speaker 1: word to all my detractors and all my competitors in
22:49
Speaker 1: the corral, I'm gonna see you soon.
22:53
Speaker 3: Knox is coming for you.
22:54
Speaker 2: I mean it's the double nodding of the shoes for
22:56
Speaker 2: me on the on the lessons chart. And it's also well,
23:00
Speaker 2: I totally am with you on this. It's cyclic idea
23:04
Speaker 2: because I as well.
23:07
Speaker 3: Until I got involved.
23:09
Speaker 2: With running crews and became more understanding and interested in
23:15
Speaker 2: running culture, I would even argue through conversations like the
23:19
Speaker 2: ones that I've had with you, did I understand my
23:23
Speaker 2: own potential.
23:25
Speaker 1: It's deep because you I've followed your journey, you know,
23:29
Speaker 1: since we've met, and I just am a reader and
23:32
Speaker 1: a writer. I love following along with your journey. So
23:35
Speaker 1: when you're super big on your positive affirmation, I'm like, okay,
23:39
Speaker 1: she's on her affirmation bullshit. And then when you're on
23:42
Speaker 1: some self affirmation, I was like, okay, she's training and
23:45
Speaker 1: she just got rocked in a workout. That's awesome, and
23:47
Speaker 1: you're like trying to like sift through the pieces when
23:50
Speaker 1: you're at your most despondent, I was like, yeah, okay,
23:54
Speaker 1: don the next day, let's go. When you're like on
23:57
Speaker 1: good shit happy, Yeah, you're on your fire escape drinking tea,
24:00
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's too comfortable that I'm done
24:03
Speaker 1: with this block mute and then when you're on your
24:07
Speaker 1: side at the track with your with your workout and
24:10
Speaker 1: all that, I was like, yeah, okay, progress.
24:13
Speaker 3: Follow again, follow, refollow, Like.
24:15
Speaker 1: It's just like Knox Robinson has followed you. You're like, wait,
24:18
Speaker 1: what happened.
24:18
Speaker 3: I was like, what happened? It's not an Instagram error
24:21
Speaker 3: or no one. He's just out when you're happy.
24:25
Speaker 2: But I do think that this is the beauty of
24:28
Speaker 2: getting more involved and interested in your surroundings and utilizing
24:34
Speaker 2: the tools that are around you, because for so long
24:37
Speaker 2: I was almost worried to get into this sort of
24:40
Speaker 2: environment or even learn more, because I was scared of
24:44
Speaker 2: what we all deal with running with other people, which
24:47
Speaker 2: is the inclination for comparison, right. I was scared to
24:51
Speaker 2: quote unquote not be good enough or not be quote
24:53
Speaker 2: unquote fast enough. When in actuality you come to terms
24:57
Speaker 2: with this idea that it's it's not enough by anyone
25:01
Speaker 2: else's standards. It's really that you get to define what
25:04
Speaker 2: enough is for you.
25:06
Speaker 1: That's why I keep coming back to running, or that's
25:08
Speaker 1: why I've just stayed around with running my whole life
25:10
Speaker 1: because not a knock against any other practice or whatever,
25:14
Speaker 1: but the cyclical nature of running and a running journey,
25:18
Speaker 1: and the experience of running is so deeply tied to
25:21
Speaker 1: our own experience as a species on an evolutionary sense.
25:25
Speaker 1: This is what happened with our species eighty five thousand
25:29
Speaker 1: years ago or sixty five thousand years ago. This is
25:31
Speaker 1: what it is. And when you're you have a training background,
25:35
Speaker 1: also no offense, but there's no it's there's not always
25:39
Speaker 1: an arc to a training journey. There there is in
25:44
Speaker 1: terms of body improvement, or maybe you go into competition,
25:48
Speaker 1: or maybe you try different things, but there's not the
25:51
Speaker 1: same highs in the low there's not the same thing.
25:54
Speaker 1: Like on the other end, you could fall in love
25:56
Speaker 1: with cycling and spend thousands of dollars on gear and
25:59
Speaker 1: compare your bike to someone else's bike. But the thing
26:01
Speaker 1: about running is, even though there's the human modern instinct
26:07
Speaker 1: to compare yourself to someone else's body or someone else's time,
26:11
Speaker 1: running every time draws you back to thinking about yourself,
26:15
Speaker 1: and running draws you back to reflecting on your own mystery.
26:22
Speaker 1: What could I do differently? What could I do better?
26:26
Speaker 1: It's again I'm going to give a capitalist analysis. We're
26:29
Speaker 1: in New York City in twenty twenty one, and we're
26:32
Speaker 1: just bombarded with images of how to be like somebody else.
26:37
Speaker 1: But running existed well before all this, and so running
26:41
Speaker 1: has the promise for us to return to our own
26:45
Speaker 1: inner sense of who we are as people and as
26:48
Speaker 1: a people. And that's what you're in love with. That's
26:51
Speaker 1: what keeps drawing you back. That's what I see in
26:53
Speaker 1: your face, in your posts when you have highs and lows.
26:57
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, now I feel that, I think, say.
27:01
Speaker 1: To your listeners, and I just I would encourage them
27:03
Speaker 1: to be open to falling in love with the running journey.
27:08
Speaker 1: Whether people are training for their first mile or a
27:10
Speaker 1: five k, that's on the same spectrum as like someone
27:14
Speaker 1: running one hundred miles. That's on the same spectrum as
27:17
Speaker 1: Jess Woods running by yourself with other people crewing from
27:22
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to Las Vegas last week. Right, that's we're
27:26
Speaker 1: all doing the same thing. That's the same spectrum, And
27:29
Speaker 1: it's a journey of self exploration, and it's a journey
27:32
Speaker 1: of self expression, you know, And other pastimes and practices
27:37
Speaker 1: also kind of have those same values. But running is
27:40
Speaker 1: our most ancient, and our most central, and our most
27:43
Speaker 1: intrinsic expression of that idea.
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Speaker 2: When you take a step back now and love at
30:00
Speaker 2: the crew culture and arguably the explosion of running community across.
30:06
Speaker 3: The globe, how do you feel about that? What excites
30:09
Speaker 3: you about that?
30:11
Speaker 1: As a more advanced in age person, I think it
30:16
Speaker 1: correlates to cardiovascular health. So if people are getting healthier,
30:21
Speaker 1: then that's huge. We didn't have that before. And if
30:26
Speaker 1: people are getting in touch with themselves, or if people
30:30
Speaker 1: are letting go of family dysfunction or a dependence on alcohol,
30:39
Speaker 1: if people are quitting smoking or smoking less or just
30:45
Speaker 1: thinking about smoking less, I'm all for it. You know.
30:50
Speaker 1: I have my reservations about the ways in which our
30:55
Speaker 1: underground urban culture was corralled into selling shoes for for
31:00
Speaker 1: major brands. And I'm a little bummed on a personal
31:03
Speaker 1: level that the tribal nature of our species manifests itself
31:09
Speaker 1: in the tribal nature of running crews. But if bridge
31:14
Speaker 1: runners started very near little five Points, where Gangs of
31:20
Speaker 1: New York occurred historically in the early days of New
31:24
Speaker 1: York City, then it stands to reason that that things
31:28
Speaker 1: would be a little rough and tumble, so that also
31:31
Speaker 1: gives its integrity. But what excites me again is the
31:36
Speaker 1: potential for people coming together, the potential for people to
31:40
Speaker 1: want to travel and run and explore on two feet
31:44
Speaker 1: rather than burning up fossil fuels, you know, when they
31:47
Speaker 1: get to their destination. The idea that we can go
31:51
Speaker 1: back and embrace one of our earliest elements of the
31:55
Speaker 1: human toolkit and and bring that into you know, postmodern life,
31:59
Speaker 1: and the extent to which that could be a tool
32:02
Speaker 1: of resistance for us to not become just consumers and like,
32:10
Speaker 1: I don't know, termites basically just chewing our way through
32:15
Speaker 1: modern day life. If that's something that makes us feel
32:17
Speaker 1: a little free or a lot free, then I got
32:21
Speaker 1: to just fan the flames.
32:22
Speaker 3: Of that, you know, for sure.
32:24
Speaker 1: And I think last year was interesting. Last year was
32:26
Speaker 1: so fascinating because we were approaching a peak, an Olympic year.
32:32
Speaker 1: All the brands had all their shoes ready, all the
32:35
Speaker 1: narratives ready, and then all the runners in the scene
32:37
Speaker 1: were training like crazy to run their times and be
32:41
Speaker 1: like this elite runner and this is my coach and
32:43
Speaker 1: this is my crew, and look at how expensive my
32:45
Speaker 1: shoes are, and then everything just had to stop, you know.
32:51
Speaker 1: And I it was tragic because there was a backdrop
32:55
Speaker 1: of human tragedy on on a global scale, but everything
33:00
Speaker 1: going quiet and the hype dying down was such a
33:06
Speaker 1: relief for a person such as myself, And it was
33:10
Speaker 1: such a godsend honestly on a personal level, but also
33:13
Speaker 1: I think on a cultural level for running culture in
33:16
Speaker 1: the scene. I hope it was an opportunity for everybody
33:19
Speaker 1: to reset and to come back not only with like
33:22
Speaker 1: different ideas or better ideas about training, but hopefully people
33:26
Speaker 1: are coming back as New York City's back and the
33:30
Speaker 1: world is coming back, and there's parties and festivals, and
33:34
Speaker 1: hopefully people are coming back with a new set of
33:36
Speaker 1: humanistic values after the pandemic and after the convulsions of
33:40
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, Hopefully people are coming back. And the
33:44
Speaker 1: virtue signaling of last year where hey, we have a
33:47
Speaker 1: black person in our crew, or we have a black
33:49
Speaker 1: person in leadership, or I'm a black person who works
33:53
Speaker 1: at a company. That's not what it's all about. It's
33:57
Speaker 1: about connection and unity and like uplifting the collective together,
34:02
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We shouldn't be like yeah,
34:06
Speaker 1: yeah that Even as intense as twenty twenty was, it
34:10
Speaker 1: was still just the beginning of the conversation as far
34:13
Speaker 1: as diversity, inclusion, equity, you know, equality, justice, social justice
34:22
Speaker 1: and running and.
34:25
Speaker 2: It's continued efforts, right and good intentions. It's not just
34:28
Speaker 2: like checking these boxes. So having that one individual at
34:32
Speaker 2: your company or having one conversation with one person doesn't
34:35
Speaker 2: mean that you've you know, checked a quota that makes
34:38
Speaker 2: you good and your.
34:38
Speaker 3: Intentions for the rest of the year.
34:40
Speaker 2: I know, like you have to actually do that inner
34:43
Speaker 2: You have to have that inner dialogue and that inner
34:45
Speaker 2: conversation and that audit with yourself about how you can
34:47
Speaker 2: be a continued participant in the revolution of perhaps both
34:53
Speaker 2: what's going on around you, but also inner self.
34:57
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying the distinctions between a club and
34:59
Speaker 1: a crew. The club, you pay your membership, you get
35:03
Speaker 1: your uniform, you have a coach sending you the email, PDF,
35:06
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and you get a return on your
35:08
Speaker 1: investment because you're out for self. Maybe you meet some
35:11
Speaker 1: people and it's a good time or whatever, but you're
35:14
Speaker 1: out for self because that's the transaction. But with a collective,
35:19
Speaker 1: everybody's raised and everybody has the potential to benefit. We
35:23
Speaker 1: got to reach out and lift everybody up together. And
35:27
Speaker 1: hopefully maybe that's some of the promise and the potential
35:31
Speaker 1: of the crew movement in urban running coming out of
35:34
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, is that the crew movement can can look
35:36
Speaker 1: back at what we had going on. We didn't have
35:39
Speaker 1: to become clubs. We didn't have to train harder and
35:45
Speaker 1: have expensive shoes. That's awesome. I'm definitely the expensive shoe.
35:48
Speaker 1: I'm definitely day one four percent and our seat, Nike
35:53
Speaker 1: run Club Club founder, definitely proud of my prs in
35:58
Speaker 1: the race, and I'm racing again this fall. But there
36:03
Speaker 1: was also something special about the other side of things,
36:06
Speaker 1: and hopefully crews can go back and search their souls
36:12
Speaker 1: for what made it special and what made it a
36:14
Speaker 1: vibe to your word, but also your listeners who are
36:17
Speaker 1: curious about this whole conversation. Maybe it's going to help
36:20
Speaker 1: them in Bloomington or Biloxi or Brawley can look at
36:26
Speaker 1: their running club and be like, Hey, what's it all about? Like,
36:29
Speaker 1: can we what's this vibe thing? Can we have a vibe?
36:33
Speaker 1: Can we want to go out for tacos after a run?
36:36
Speaker 1: Or hey, should we you know, should we host like
36:43
Speaker 1: an unsanctioned five k at nine o'clock at night, you know,
36:47
Speaker 1: on the third of July or something like that. Just
36:49
Speaker 1: thro't get out there, everybody, you know?
36:51
Speaker 3: Should we do it?
36:52
Speaker 2: Is there a hurdlers unsanctioned five k on July third?
36:55
Speaker 2: I'm not announcing it here, but I'm not saying maybe not.
36:57
Speaker 1: You said it. I didn't. I'm just.
37:01
Speaker 3: Watch out race details coming coming soon.
37:05
Speaker 2: Well before we wrap this up, what I think would
37:08
Speaker 2: be a great cherry to put on top of this
37:10
Speaker 2: Sunday that we've just compiled together would be talking a
37:14
Speaker 2: little bit about how hurdlers could get integrated into their
37:18
Speaker 2: local running community if they're not so already, or perhaps
37:22
Speaker 2: just some maybe you know suggestions or tips that they
37:25
Speaker 2: can use to really open themselves to becoming part of
37:29
Speaker 2: something bigger than what they already have going on. So
37:33
Speaker 2: where would you kickstart that discussion?
37:37
Speaker 1: Honestly, you gotta be honest. We know running is not easy.
37:42
Speaker 1: It has a lot of joys, subtle and overt. It's
37:48
Speaker 1: not easy. So but we're doing it and you have
37:51
Speaker 1: the curiosity because as human beings we have that innate curiosity.
37:57
Speaker 1: The same impulse is there when it comes to ending
38:00
Speaker 1: a running crew or a club that's cool that works
38:02
Speaker 1: for you. It begins with us and as individuals, you
38:08
Speaker 1: got to challenge yourself and believe in yourself. And this
38:11
Speaker 1: is why I think is great for hurdlers because that's
38:13
Speaker 1: who you connect with, Folks who are curious about the
38:19
Speaker 1: potential of curiosity. And so I think that folks wherever
38:24
Speaker 1: they are can step out and challenge themselves to get
38:27
Speaker 1: out there and run with the crew that meets on
38:32
Speaker 1: Wednesday six point thirty pm in the park in your town.
38:37
Speaker 1: You're nervous. I mean, it happens to me. I remember
38:43
Speaker 1: one time I was in Ethiopia and I went to
38:46
Speaker 1: this town that's produced like Olympic gold medalists and world
38:51
Speaker 1: record holders, and it's like going to like a holy
38:54
Speaker 1: grail towns, like go into the Vatti of Mecca for
38:57
Speaker 1: a runner. And I knew where the workout spot were.
39:01
Speaker 1: The workout spot was like down a rocky trail crossover
39:05
Speaker 1: a stream, and it was in a grove of eucalyptus
39:07
Speaker 1: trees at dawn in this town at ten thousand feet altitude,
39:12
Speaker 1: and here comes Knox Robinson like slipping and sliding down
39:15
Speaker 1: the trail and they're in this grove. It was just
39:19
Speaker 1: like it was like a Wild West movie, like the Showdown,
39:23
Speaker 1: except it was all like skinny Ethiopian dudes in running
39:26
Speaker 1: clothes and like old shoes. But they were there in
39:29
Speaker 1: like a ring around this forest and there was just
39:31
Speaker 1: like this mist and I was like, okay, this is
39:34
Speaker 1: a shootout. This is like it's time now you're this
39:37
Speaker 1: is it like I'm dead, But I'm taking two or
39:40
Speaker 1: three of these guys out with me. Some two or
39:42
Speaker 1: three that's not what it's like to go to a
39:45
Speaker 1: running group. But I'm just saying, like, even for me,
39:49
Speaker 1: I've been in experiences where I'm super intimidated to go out.
39:54
Speaker 1: I ran an unsanctioned race last weekend, and I was
39:57
Speaker 1: intimidated to line up with women I've been coaching. I
40:01
Speaker 1: was intimidated to line up and run with like women
40:03
Speaker 1: that I had invited out to come and run at
40:05
Speaker 1: the race. I was like, I didn't think you are
40:07
Speaker 1: going to show. So the intimidation is real, but that
40:11
Speaker 1: just lets us know the promise of the potential for discovery. So,
40:14
Speaker 1: first of all, folks should do it. And then for
40:17
Speaker 1: us who are already in those groups, what are we
40:20
Speaker 1: doing to remain open? What are we doing to make
40:24
Speaker 1: sure that we're imaging and surfacing and communicating that openness.
40:29
Speaker 1: We don't have to be like a running club that's
40:32
Speaker 1: a community food drive and bring a can of soup
40:34
Speaker 1: if you want to run a mile like that's awesome too,
40:37
Speaker 1: But what are we doing in our behavior and the
40:40
Speaker 1: way we talk when someone walks up off the street.
40:44
Speaker 1: How are we interacting with them? You know, how are
40:46
Speaker 1: we maintaining our cool and how are we making sure
40:49
Speaker 1: we're wearing all black at night and talking about our
40:53
Speaker 1: plans to go to the Chicago Marathon. But how are
40:56
Speaker 1: we also like drawing somebody in and and and having
41:01
Speaker 1: them come back a second time, Because it's if someone's
41:03
Speaker 1: coming out the first time, then it's on us to
41:06
Speaker 1: make sure they come back the second time. And that's
41:09
Speaker 1: one more thing. A lot of like mainstream media was
41:13
Speaker 1: asking me what what is a white ally in running?
41:16
Speaker 1: Last year? What can a white person do for a
41:18
Speaker 1: black runner? And I had seen some of my black
41:23
Speaker 1: runners in arms kind of have a list of suggestions
41:27
Speaker 1: and reading lists and all that. And I was thinking
41:30
Speaker 1: of your teammate Tim ROSSI shout out Brooklyn Track Club
41:35
Speaker 1: because I was like, a white ally for me can
41:37
Speaker 1: drive past my house at six thirty in the morning
41:40
Speaker 1: and pick me up on a long run for a
41:42
Speaker 1: long run and trash me on a long run. That's like,
41:46
Speaker 1: And that's Tim, and I like, and you're you know
41:49
Speaker 1: the bros. And Brooklyn Track Club, the Lost Boy Stephen Finlay,
41:52
Speaker 1: Like I've known those guys since the beginning, and those
41:57
Speaker 1: guys I want to I could train with those guys.
42:00
Speaker 1: That's what our connection is. Brooklyn Track Club has its
42:03
Speaker 1: own thing, and Black Roses NYC has this nothing. But
42:07
Speaker 1: like I do need Tim Rossly and Jare and all
42:10
Speaker 1: those guys to come out this summer and like come
42:13
Speaker 1: up into the hills and upstate New York and like
42:15
Speaker 1: let's trash on some long runs. That's the same principle
42:18
Speaker 1: that exists with all of us. So let's get people
42:21
Speaker 1: coming back, and let's make sure if we've got to
42:24
Speaker 1: go back and reach out to the person who came
42:26
Speaker 1: the first time, if there's a little bit of curiosity,
42:28
Speaker 1: let's meet that curiosity with that support.
42:32
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing you say here are two important factors.
42:35
Speaker 2: Important factor number one is to show up. And it
42:39
Speaker 2: could be to an organized situation, which could be a
42:42
Speaker 2: Wednesday night at six thirty, or you might have to
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Speaker 2: figure out how to show out. Show up in your
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Speaker 2: own way in your local community. So if you're going
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Speaker 2: to a park where you know that people run, be
42:52
Speaker 2: open to maybe striking up a conversation or talking to
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Speaker 2: another runner, because if that crew is not established, or
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Speaker 2: perhaps there's not something that you could really see yourself
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Speaker 2: in from the get go, although I would encourage you
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Speaker 2: to at least give it a try. Then you have
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to create your own community and create your
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Speaker 2: quote unquote own crew with whatever is available to you.
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Speaker 2: And then the second thing that is worth double clicking
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Speaker 2: on that I heard you say is be conscious of
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Speaker 2: how you are showing up in that space. So don't
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Speaker 2: show up and have your iPhone in your right hand
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Speaker 2: and expect to automatically be embraced in the culture, but
43:31
Speaker 2: rather show up and look around you and absorb and
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Speaker 2: start these conversations and look to others to get a
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Speaker 2: better understanding of how you can integrate into this environment,
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Speaker 2: how you can feel more comfortable in this environment. With
43:47
Speaker 2: the caveat that if you are already a member, standing
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Speaker 2: member in this environment, it is up to you to
43:52
Speaker 2: be open to these new people and also not be
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Speaker 2: the person standing there blocking out the potential for what's
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Speaker 2: to come.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess one more thing is as someone
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Speaker 1: who is there, like in early days, I don't ever
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Speaker 1: hear people say this enough, but this whole thing is
44:11
Speaker 1: made up. This whole thing is just a creative experiment
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Speaker 1: that a handful of people started that like got out
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Speaker 1: of control. When you talk about making up names, just
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Speaker 1: make up starting your own crews are made up. Crews
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Speaker 1: are not real. People are real. Running is real, Your
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Speaker 1: times are real, I guess if you believe in that.
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Speaker 1: But like, it's all made up, So Bridge Runners, Black Roses.
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Speaker 1: That's the funniest thing is this whole time highs and lows.
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Speaker 1: It's just made up. That doesn't make it fake. It's
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Speaker 1: very real, but it's made up. And so for folks
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Speaker 1: who are in cruise already, remember that your whole thing
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Speaker 1: is made up. And folks who are worried about or
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Speaker 1: nervous about going out for the first time, don't worry
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Speaker 1: about it. It's it's like puff the magic Dragon, Like,
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Speaker 1: don't don't worry about you know it's made up.
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Speaker 3: It's made up. Knox. Tell me what you're excited about
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited. This is super corny, but this is how
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Speaker 1: I'm showing up. I'm excited to run in thirty minutes,
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Speaker 1: you know I love that. Yeah, I'm I'm about to
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Speaker 1: go out here and tool around in this park by
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Speaker 1: my house, and I'm excited for the future. I'm coming
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Speaker 1: back to uh New York for the summer there.
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Speaker 3: We love to hear that, well, some do, some don't.
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Speaker 1: There's some secret things happening upstate that we're going to
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Speaker 1: open up for the community with some some new partners
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Speaker 1: and some new energy, some new alliances. There's some new plot
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Speaker 1: twists that I think folks are going to be surprised
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Speaker 1: right out the window to see in a in a
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Speaker 1: month's time. So yeah, there's there's a The movie's not
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Speaker 1: over yet, so I look forward to seeing you in
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Speaker 1: a month or so.
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Speaker 2: The ultimate teaser from Knox Robinson Notox, thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time today. How do the hurdlers follow along with you?
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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you? If they can
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Speaker 2: try give me the details.
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Speaker 1: I'm exclusively on Instagram. The handle is at first Run.
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Speaker 1: But the best thing to do is just come up
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Speaker 1: to me when you see me in the streets and connect,
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Speaker 1: because you never know when I'm running past your bakery,
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Speaker 1: your coffee shop. I ran with a crew the other day,
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Speaker 1: one of these crew that I kind of referenced out
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Speaker 1: in the suburbs of Los Angeles, and like some people
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Speaker 1: were in their phones. Some people introduce themselves to me,
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Speaker 1: but it was like awesome for me just to lurk
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Speaker 1: into a crew. So I still do show up in
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Speaker 1: cities and like lurk with their crew. So if you
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Speaker 1: see someone who looks like me, introduce yourself because I'm shy.
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Speaker 2: Knox is coming for your crew and he's coming for
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Speaker 2: your croissants. I'm over at hurdle podcasts. At your body
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Speaker 2: another hurdle conjured. Catch you guys next time