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Patriots Unfiltered 10/17: Tuesday Practice Update, Takeaways from the Loss to the Raiders, Positives to Build Off Of · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and we'll be here for the next
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  Speaker 1: two hours. It's deuced Tamara, Paul, myself, Matt nabooth Evan
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  Speaker 1: will be back after coaches availability.
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  Speaker 4: Is grilling Bill O'Brien right now, trying to find.
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  Speaker 1: It again and then again after practice.
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  Speaker 4: Right second week in a row. They're practicing on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of weird. They did that. Last week.
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  Speaker 1: They decided instead of coming in Monday, he gave the
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  Speaker 1: players Monday off and then they practiced through the week.
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  Speaker 1: But this week I think they were here I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on, but they're practicing and there's actually
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  Speaker 1: availability today unlike all other Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it makes a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I can really see it make a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: sense that you guys got back what like five am
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  Speaker 5: or whatever it was on good point Monday mornings. So
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  Speaker 5: I get it this week a little bit more than
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  Speaker 5: last week. But it's productive. They have been yesterday doing anything, tired,
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  Speaker 5: naps and such so, but it is two weeks in
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  Speaker 5: a row that they're going to have four days of practice.
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  Speaker 4: Whether what walk throughs are in there or whatever, we
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  Speaker 4: don't know. But I don't know. It's just interesting. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to make a difference. But
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  Speaker 4: Monday part, you know, Mike is exactly right, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but they don't normally do any on field work on
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  Speaker 4: a Monday.
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  Speaker 1: No, they conditioned guys lifting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they might come in and get some treatment and whatnot.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know that there maybe that they had
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  Speaker 4: to just say that's a complete day.
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  Speaker 1: Off, but they might they might have like film.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, fred Is.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that the Monday was usually the day that
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  Speaker 5: they put the last game behind them, they go through
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  Speaker 5: the film, they yell at the guys that need to
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  Speaker 5: be yelled at, they compliment the guys that you know,
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  Speaker 5: and they move on.
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  Speaker 4: But they don't do that on every Monday. Maybe there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of victory Mondays. No, unfortunately, maybe they may
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  Speaker 4: not this year.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, we're not talking about games, we lose anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know they don't have film.
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  Speaker 4: They just they did the ball burying back in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: The Tuesday practice thing, to me is different. That's the
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  Speaker 4: that's the different element. I've seen them come in on Mondays.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen them get Mondays off. I've never seen them
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  Speaker 4: practice on Tuesday. And this is two weeks in a
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  Speaker 4: row and they're not just practicing. You guys have access
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  Speaker 4: to the locker room. Yeah, yeah, at one Tuesdays, which
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  Speaker 4: is a very.
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  Speaker 8: But but it's do you think this is like part
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  Speaker 8: of the starting over? Was this the starting over process?
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  Speaker 5: No, this was just to change the schedule for but
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  Speaker 5: but I mean it's going to be short though, because
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  Speaker 5: Evan's gonna go out the I think practice is at
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  Speaker 5: twelve thirty and then locker rooms at one forty five. So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's it's like an hour, you know, so
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  Speaker 5: it might be like a yeah, it might just be
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  Speaker 5: a walk through or something. Maybe it's more of interesting
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  Speaker 5: no less though, Yeah, and when it's different, it's interesting
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  Speaker 5: to me.
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  Speaker 4: I always wonder why. Yeah, I never have any answers.
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  Speaker 4: I think this will be a wonderful day for your
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  Speaker 4: What was the mood? Was it walk through?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll have to really get into that.
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  Speaker 4: My guess is there walk through these Tuesday things? But
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  Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I I just mind it different.
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  Speaker 4: Do you do stretching for walk throughs?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, maybe the walking is stretched.
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  Speaker 4: I don't walk in.
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  Speaker 1: I don't stretch to walk anyway. You got to walk
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  Speaker 1: before you can run. And certainly the Patriots can run
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  Speaker 1: in a walkin out of the walk through very literally.
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  Speaker 9: They might be still at the crawling stage.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would need to stretch before it's a stretch.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty one seventeen loss. I predicted the Patriots would score
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  Speaker 1: eighteen a half points, and when they did the freak
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  Speaker 1: kick pooch.
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  Speaker 5: You thought something happen at that point, right, Do we.
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  Speaker 4: Ever get to the bottom of that play. No.
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  Speaker 1: No, But here's the thing, all right, if you if
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  Speaker 1: you're what they were doing was hoping for a muff
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  Speaker 1: because you can fair catch that pooch, right, but they
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  Speaker 1: were hoping for a muff. You can't roll it like
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  Speaker 1: an on side No, because it's a punt. You just
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  Speaker 1: let it die. It's a free kick, so you can't
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  Speaker 1: just like stay away from it if you're the other
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  Speaker 1: team and let it.
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  Speaker 4: No, you just stand around him and say it's.
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  Speaker 1: The same as a kickoff.
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  Speaker 4: Correct. I don't know. We were trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: Can on side kick a free kick? You can't. You're
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  Speaker 4: allowed to do that? Okay, now I don't and I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Did you just coming from the coaches? Did you so,
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  Speaker 4: ca'm a did you bother? No?
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  Speaker 3: I did not. I was talking to Pelagreno for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit and then a.
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  Speaker 4: Little crush on and I think it's I think it's neutral. Boy,
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  Speaker 4: I don't put we all in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it, you know, But to be fair,
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  Speaker 3: like I I I don't think I'm speaking out of
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  Speaker 3: turn and saying that. I think it's mutual. Like I
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  Speaker 3: think me and him have a friend and friends.
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  Speaker 4: I would say if I were, I would feel the
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  Speaker 4: same way Evans.
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  Speaker 3: He's definitely on Josh Allen, don't do this yis week
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  Speaker 3: h He's just he's got a good sense of humor.
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  Speaker 5: He walked through the locker room last week when you know,
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  Speaker 5: they had a veil last week, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I sorry, we didn't get to come talk to you,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and he gets so.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we have a little Oh look at that
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  Speaker 4: you guys. Are you okay with that?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 4: I think he was there Evan Dan jumped in on.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, don't talk to me, he's mine. So we
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  Speaker 4: were just talking about the free kick. Yeah, why not
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  Speaker 4: give yourself a shot? What was that?
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  Speaker 3: The free kick?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I don't really like, how can they like on side
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  Speaker 3: kick it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah they can't. And I just don't understand what they
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  Speaker 4: were hoping to get with that.
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  Speaker 3: It looked to me like they were like pooch kicking it,
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  Speaker 3: hoping that it was like.
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  Speaker 4: It was muff. It was a bad kick. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I guess this Bill had something in mind because I listen,
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  Speaker 4: I watched this guy for twenty whatever years. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: he's got something for every situation, right, So my guess
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  Speaker 4: is what happened wasn't what he wanted to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't looking for a muff. He was looking to
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  Speaker 4: recover it on side kick somehow. And I think Evan
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  Speaker 4: might be right. I think maybe he was hoping he
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  Speaker 4: kicked it like sort of in a hole in the
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  Speaker 4: return team, kicking it directly too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It might be the worst guy in the league to
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  Speaker 4: kick it too, Yeah, because he probably has the best
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  Speaker 4: hands of anybody in football.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That that, I think is what they were trying to do,
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  Speaker 3: was kick it over like that first layer and in
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  Speaker 3: front of like the deep guys and then kick it
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  Speaker 3: in that no man's land and then hope.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like he was doing what he kicked it right, right,
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was just hoping for him it was
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  Speaker 1: a sixteen yard sixteen yard kick, then, I don't it
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  Speaker 1: can't be on purpose.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Renfro I mean had to had to
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  Speaker 4: move more than a yard to catch if that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to admit at that point of the game,
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  Speaker 3: I was checked out. I was packing my things up
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  Speaker 3: to go down after.
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  Speaker 4: I get it. There's probably not It's probably not the
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  Speaker 4: best jumping off point that we could have on sorry,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the a three game losing streak. But
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  Speaker 4: I just I felt like, okay, you take the safety.
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  Speaker 4: I was with you, We all were, we all declined,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the game's over, but I'm like, well you can.
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  Speaker 4: They still have to recover the on site kick, and
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  Speaker 4: then we didn't try one, Like I just didn't understand it,
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  Speaker 4: Like I was, I was kind of miffed.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know the rule. I thought on a free
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  Speaker 1: kick you could fair catch it. If it's in the air,
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  Speaker 1: you can't, I mean not, I mean if it rolls
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  Speaker 1: like a punt, you can just like let it roll in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought that was it was.
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  Speaker 3: A live ball.
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  Speaker 4: It's a live ball to the rules. Yeah, and they
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  Speaker 4: could have used a t like they didn't have to
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  Speaker 4: punt it, right. I just don't know exactly what they
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  Speaker 4: were trying to do. Evan's probably right. They were looking
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  Speaker 4: for something in between the levels of the.
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  Speaker 5: Practice, like maybe practice practice, like a sixteen yard sky
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  Speaker 5: high punt.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't get a chance to ask a
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  Speaker 3: core today.
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  Speaker 4: But it actually got to see me snof that.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll ask Bearinger for you and see, you know
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  Speaker 3: what what his his take is on it tomorrow there you.
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  Speaker 4: Go, Okay, yeah, maybe in the locker room too, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Or today Yeah, I forgot that all right, weird Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: The A corp doesn't fall far from the tea.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 9: How long were you holding on to that one?
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  Speaker 4: Probably about five minutes? Just came to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that's the way the game.
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  Speaker 4: Ended anything though, Yeah, he's talking to Mike Pellegrino.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to Bill O'Brien. I went into Bill O'Brien
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  Speaker 3: at the end, but I just I don't really understand
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: like the line of questioning that that was was asked
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  Speaker 3: of him, Like people like asking him like how are
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  Speaker 3: you doing? But like how are you coping with all
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  Speaker 3: of this?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, they're trying to get you know.
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  Speaker 3: Who cares.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to see how much he will go from
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: being divorced from the proceedings. Like it's not my fault.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they're looking for. That's what I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that's what there was wasting
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  Speaker 1: my time.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless, I just talking to him. I thought it
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: was interesting, was his his points about the two minute
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: offense and like the end of the game. And you
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: know he pretty much both coaches that I spoke to
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  Speaker 3: owned a lot of the mistakes and said, we gotta
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: we got to coach it better. Like when it comes
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: to penalties, you know, delay of games holdings like we
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  Speaker 3: saw in that last drive. He wore it and said
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  Speaker 3: that that's I have to coach it better.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing. You arn't the game with two
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: penalties that kill the drive and you end the game
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: going backwards bookends. I mean, it's those were the little things,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I during the game, like I said it
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  Speaker 1: to you, or I might have said it to No
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  Speaker 1: Socks who was there. You're down by two with two
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  Speaker 1: minutes left. That was an automatic win in the day,
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: automatic win, and in the NFL it's almost an automatic win.
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  Speaker 1: And we go backwards. Now, that's what's that's what's the
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: glaring thing about this team is in those moments that separate,
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the good teams from the bad teams. We're
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: we're not executing, we're doing the opposite.
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  Speaker 5: And even when they're getting close like Max past the
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: Parker or the long Ezekiel Elliott run, still a penalty.
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  Speaker 4: Mistakes.
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  Speaker 5: You know, those things just seem to pop up and
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: prevent the team from having those moments that you know,
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: I think everybody played sports like you know those wow,
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: great play like you get some confidence, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: got a little juice going. Finally, It's just it seems
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  Speaker 5: so hard for them to find that and build any
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: momentum right now because as soon as they make a play.
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  Speaker 1: So you look at you know, David Andrews is a veteran,
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  Speaker 1: but you look at that veteran leadership on the field
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  Speaker 1: added with the coaching, and it's it's lacking right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's lacking.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't think that they have game changers, like
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: I I agree with you that, like the leadership could be.
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  Speaker 1: Game changing, maybe making. To me, I'm separate. I'm not
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: even going to making plays right now. I'm talking about
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: just negative stuff, avoiding the negative stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't have good enough play.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Play making stuff is is a different conversation. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have that either. But I'm just talking about just not
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: killing yourself.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: I think they kill themselves because they're not good. Like
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: you know, Mac Jones, like the pick that he threw
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry, It's a makeable throw in the league.
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  Speaker 3: He's not good enough to make the throw. Like, I
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: don't think that that's like because he's down on himself
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: or because he doesn't have confidence. I just think that
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: he physically can't make a cross body on the run
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: throw back into the middle of the field. You know,
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: you watch the game on.
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  Speaker 1: It even that cross much crossbossile.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little bit because he was wide why
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  Speaker 3: don't Yeah, I mean, like, I think that throw is
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  Speaker 3: harder to make than people are making it out to be.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, like they you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of quarterbacks in the league that that make
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  Speaker 3: that throw.
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen won a game with it.
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  Speaker 1: Like like my maybe my memory is uh killing me here,
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  Speaker 1: but it seemed to me he had enough time to
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  Speaker 1: actually stop, set and throw.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that then the guy's no longer going
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: to be wide open.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Watching it watching it again, I thought that initially live
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: as well, But watching it again, I I think it's
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: Tyree Wilson who's closing in on him, and like if
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: he tries to set his feet, he's gonna.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Get okay, laid out, all right. I just thought it
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  Speaker 1: was It wasn't like the two in Dallas that it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even close.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was this was a bad throw. This was
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  Speaker 4: just a bad.
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  Speaker 1: Throw, Like those were bad decisions, right, And.
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  Speaker 3: I also think it was a bad decision.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of do too. This was much more on
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  Speaker 4: the throw.
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  Speaker 3: Then, why do I actually think it was I think
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  Speaker 3: it was worse decision than it was a throw. We
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  Speaker 3: disagree on this why for two reasons. One, I thought
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  Speaker 3: he left the clean pocket. He stepped up on Crosby,
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  Speaker 3: and if you look, it's it's host juke actually is
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  Speaker 3: the play, and like Zeke is running the juke route
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  Speaker 3: out of empty and all he's got to do is
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  Speaker 3: like step up in the pocket and stay with the play,
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  Speaker 3: like stay on the read and stay with the play.
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  Speaker 3: He was already off of the three receiver side by
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  Speaker 3: the time he hit the top of his drop, so
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  Speaker 3: he sped up right. He's just canceling out reads before
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  Speaker 3: he even gives the play a chance to develop. And
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  Speaker 3: then he steps up in the pocket, a clean pocket
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  Speaker 3: other than Max Crosby, putting a little pressure on the edge.
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  Speaker 3: Just step up and make the throw. Then he leaves
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  Speaker 3: the pocket and he tries to be Josh Allen, and
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  Speaker 3: it's like you you can't. You can't do it. It's
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  Speaker 3: not who you are.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: You can't play because that throw is not a hard throw.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't think it was like if you're gonna take
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: all the decision making about leaving the pocket, I agree
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: with that, But on that like, I didn't think he
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: had to tucktail and go as quickly as he did.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: That that part of the decision I would agree with Evan.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: The decision to see a guy who's fifteen yards over
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: there with no one on him and throw it to him,
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think that was that bad of a decision.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't think you've got to make the throw, right, I agree.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: I just think he didn't have to jam it in.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: And you know, you know to me that the throwback
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: across is dangerous because there's usually too much congestion there
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: and there wasn't any on this play well.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And also people can tell it you're telegram, you know,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: people can like Dak Prescott.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Dak Prescott probably won the game last night with a
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: throw off a scramble to Pollard that looked extremely dangerous
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: when you're watching TV. But then if you're there and
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: you and you had seen it, and you realize there
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: was nobody near Pollard. There was no chance that that
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: pass is getting picked off unless you throw it over
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: his head the way that mac Jones did, and then
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: there's somebody there that that's waiting to pick it off.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Like if someone cut underneath and picked it off, I
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: would say decision right.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Not I just I think that it as mac Jones.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: And if you want to say that he can't play
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: because of that, then I'm not going to argue with you.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But if you're mac Jones, it's second and five, you're
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: in scoring territory. It's second and five. Just throw the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: ball away and play third and five. Like the worst
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: case scenario is that you don't get it on second
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and five, you don't get it on thirty five a
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: third and five, and you're kicking a forty five yard
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: field goal. Like that's the absolute worst case, totally fair,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the best, totally well, the worst case scenario is throwing
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: an interception, which is what he did.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, and there were a lot of plays in
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the game that you can point to, but to me,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that was the game right there. If he makes that play,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Henry has some space to even pick up
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: more yards, and but that that was it. That was
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the play that kind of.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: But this is why I agree with Evans's larger point,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: like that's players.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: No, I know, like I know, you don't.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Make enough of those plays because I don't think you
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: have players that are good enough to consistently make those plays.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: But like I said, they started the game negatively, they
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: ended the game negatively, And tell the truth, be honest,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: be honest, be honest.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I always did you think when they took over at
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: their own nine or whatever it was, they were going
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: to go down and kick a field goal to win?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I thought they had a shot.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that. I said, did you think they
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: were going too?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They were going to have I thought there was a
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: fifty I didn't think they were going to go backwards,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: let's put it that way.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: No, okay, Mike, did you think they were going because
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: they were?
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: We were all here and we did.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: We kind of didn't. I didn't sense a lot of
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: confidence to marry you were with us? Yeah, party is
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: a little.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Negative with a negative name, Bob, Yeah, they didn't.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't say it worked.
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: No, I just think we haven't seen enough to see
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: this team be able to come back and win in
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: that way.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I just.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Feel I always there's gotta be the game that's gonna happen, happen,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and maybe not maybe not pride for that even though
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: they didn't have any you know, timeouts, they only needed three,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and yes they started on the nine, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I thought the way Bourne was playing, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: See that's the thing to me is what really surprised
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: me was that the shot that they play they should
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: have gotten. Yeah, because I would have thought just the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: way that this started a little check down to Remandre
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: for five or six and Bourne caught seventeen four yard passes.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I mean he had one that he broke and he
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: got like forty yards on, but all the rest of
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: them were like six yard passes. I would have figured
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: that's what they're gonna do and maybe they'll get there,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: maybe they won't. You know, they're being field goal range.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden, he throws. I I mean,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: you've probably charted the all twenty two of every pass
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that macis Throne is a Patriot and I'm not exaggerating, right.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And every training camp pass he's ever carven as a Patriot.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: I personally think that's the best throw he's ever made.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: As a patriot. Oh, I don't think that. I don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: think you can make I don't think you can make
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: them more perfect. It was on his head, given the
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: circumstances he's in. He's like in the shadow of his
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: goal line. He wasn't wide wide open. He was open,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: nfl open, But it wasn't like, Oh, anybody can make that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Throw, and they that was perfect and from their nine
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: they needed a chunk play and they needed one play
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to pick up a bunch of yards and that was
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: So as critical as I am of Mac, I have
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: to sit there and say, oh my god, that throw
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: was absolutely perfect.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it was definitely.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: I think it's play the thing with Mac and it's like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: you know, we come out and you point to a
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: couple of plays that he almost made and that, well,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: it shows he can play in this league and that
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: maybe there's something there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: But it's just it never either hits or it's never consistent.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: There's never a top five anyway.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I would think. So, I mean, I don't know. Some
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: of the throws that I like are more like into
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field with like anticipation and driving
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: it into windows.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Exanded. The Born touchdown rookie year against Cleveland. You know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I was thinking too of some Hunter Henry. Maybe it
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: was against the Browns. I think there was a Hunter
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Henry out to me.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: To me, the moment made it such a good throw
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: because the other team knows we can't give up a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: big play. We've got to make him work for every yard.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They don't have any timeouts. We can't let him give
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it chunk play. And it was right there, right on
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: his hands. You know, you can't blame Mac for that one.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: You can blame him for the rest of the game.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I can blame him for the Taekwon Thornton one.
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: I just.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: Did you think he had thorn on that one shot
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: he took to him even for a second, like was
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: there was that just it was.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Just I don't know what it was.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It was it was five yards at of bounce.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I don't even know. It was just Taekwon.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Taekwon's down there somewhere covered like like.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And then there was another one where you know Thornton
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: early he was going to the outside of the numbers
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and you know Mac hit him, you know, with a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: pass was a three yard pass, but Thornton had to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dive to catch it. You know, like if he catches
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it on the run, maybe he could turn it up,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: but he had I said it was a thirty yard
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: effort for a three yard game.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: You know, do you remember's a lot of actually six
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: but six. During training camp when we were up on
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: the the red level watching training camp practices, Evan used
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: to talk about how hard it can be, how restricting
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: it can be for the offensive coordinator to have to
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: scheme around problems with your tackles. And I thought this
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: was the biggest example of the scheme was totally reliant
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on them knowing that they weren't going to be able
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: to hold the ball. Like everything was a three yard pass.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Every every pass in this game. I think they may
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: they maybe threw the ball downfield five times ten. It
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: couldn't have been tentily. Maybe five sounds like like the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: deep battle throwton that went out of bounds in the dark.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: But this, to me was an example of I know
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: that we're not going to be able to hold up.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And to Evan's point earlier about he's sped up, he's
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: already sped up. So we know the quarterback is sped up.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: We know he's probably got a reason to be sped up.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: We're just gonna get it out lightning quick all day
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: and that's what that's what happens. Like you don't, it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: really hard to move the ball that way.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's crazy to me because they really we
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: talked all last week. They have Crosby, like it wasn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: like Buffalo coming up this week where they have a
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: few different guys that are problems. Like if they shut
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: her down just to deal with Crosby, Like, what's it
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: gonna look like?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Like the game winning safety?
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: They had him with two different guys and they clips
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: so many times?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Can you just like Vermandra Stevenson is literally checked down
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: five yards in front of you, man, and he's got
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: a ton of grass like he's got like and I
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: trust for Montre to break a tackle more than like
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: anybody on this team besides maybe Born. And he's got
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: like one guy in between him and the first down marker.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And at the very least you got a fourth down chance, exactly,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: at the very least you get the ball out to
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: go for it on fourth down, and I just his
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: eyes are down the field. He's trying to wait and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: see if something opens up down the field for him.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: To throw it and and the pocket starts collapsing. But
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: if you actually watch it, he like kind of goes
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: like almost like a little pump fake because he sees
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Remandre out of the corner of his eye like last second,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: and he he thinks about it, and then all of
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a sudden, Crosby's on top of him and he's down.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: But I just watching this this film, like I hate
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to say it, but you know, I'm embracing the tank.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Like just just embrace the tank and you know, get
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: a new quarterback. Like if you want to talk about
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: like the the pressure in this game was not that
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: big of an issue. It really wasn't there. He was
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: under pressure twenty nine percent of the time, which is
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: their lowest pressure rate of the entire season. They ran
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the ball pretty well as well. Kendrick Bourne made some plays,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you know, like the BRDA Parker was an absolute dime.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: There's no question.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: About that game. Prescott's I know the score wasn't anywhere
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: near the last two weeks. But Bill said in the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: instance when this wasn't anything like you know, last week,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: or do you think he was just talking about the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: score where there were there are other things the score
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: because I.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Think it was a lot like the last couple, but
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I mean the two Like I wanted to ask you
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: this is like how much do you chuck up that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Of just being the Raiders not a great defense, like
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: suddenly the Patriots defense. That's a big part.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Of it, you know, you know, the Raiders are not
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a great defense, which I think exacerbates why I feel
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: so strongly about it. I guess I just there's functional
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: he's he's broken, like he's he's functionally broken. And maybe
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: there's a world where you can acquire weapons in the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: offseason and you know, hire Ben Johnson and like piece
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: him back to I don't know, but to what end,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I think is a is an interesting question as we
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: move forward here, he's locking onto to reads, he's sped up,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: he's leaving pockets that he doesn't need to leave, Like
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: it's just he's a broken quarterback. Like all these things
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: are things that happen when it just starts to just
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: unravel on a guy. And I just there's guys open
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: on this film that he's missing. You know, he throws
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to time Montgomery should have been yeah, and GAZICKI is
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: just in cut wide open, you know, just he was open.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Move the read like that that's not open, Like, go
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to the next read in the progression and you're gonna
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: see if you hit Gaziki and stride there, he might score.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: The pass got picked off, and I know my favorite
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you know if my aunt had you know, watch my uncle.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: But if that pass got picked off, that may have
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: been it it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's again like I brought the point
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: up like so many people were setting this up to
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: be like Max last stand and like it's not.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Even close to it. We'll get to that the second hour.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I also have a rant in the second hour.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: That he also he locked into to Henry on one too,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: on like a little return route on third down where
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: even if Henry catches it, he's still like five yards
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: short of the sticks. And Romo like I think highlighted
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: on that Bourne was like had the in cut and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Romo like said that he was like double covered or
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: something not double covered.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, I know he talking about in TV coverage
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: and that I don't know if this is because they're all
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: ex quarterbacks for the most part, but Aikman does it
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: a lot. Romo does it a lot, like yeah, you
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: see him here there, you know, there's no way, there's
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: no way to go with the ball, and I'm like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. He kind of looks like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you got because you know, I could only
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: see the TV. I couldn't hear it, and I saw
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: him circle born. So I wrote, oh, Romo was saying
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that Bourne was open, and everyone's like, no, no, he
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: just said he was double covering, and I'm like, what,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: That's not what I saw.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It's there's a there's a post stage. It's like man
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: cover one post safety in the middle of the field
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and the guy the safety is like fifteen yards off
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and Bourne's just crossing at like
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: eight yards if you just move on from from Hunter Henry,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: who's clearly covered on the play and well short of
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the sticks, Like Bourne's just sitting there, wide open in
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field. It just he's not seeing it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And at that point, like if he's not going to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: make those Hunter Henry, you know, scrambled drill mode plays
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that we were just talking about, and he's not seeing
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the field well and not handling pressure well, Like I
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: just I don't really know where it is.
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: I know, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was just
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: gonna say, I feel like with him obviously a different
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: situation with what happened with Trey Lance, but I think
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: he's gonna need the fresh start, Like I feel like
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: there's no even if you give him the weapons somehow
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: this offseason.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I mean in another place.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I don't think.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe sitting on the bench somewhere for a while, but too.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, I know you probably did the good
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: in the bad. I think there was some goods. I mean,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Born I think was a good. We had Born on
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the I think I think Pepper's was a good.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Yep, he made them both lists, but yeah, he was
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: on the good list.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And I think Jennings was okay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I actually had I had Jennings on my good list,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Barmore and bar More.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there was some goods from this game.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were all very minors, I know, but I'm
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: looking for anything.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: But also, Fred, it's like it's the Raiders, so like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: how good is it? Really?
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Well, That's what I'm saying, Like, like we're calling it
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: good when you run for eighty yards like that, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I did. We did, Like that's what Mike and I
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: that was one of our things there was a glimmer
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: of a running game in the third quarter.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the excitement, like and you know the run.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I know there was a hold, but I think the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Zeke run was a good run, you know that?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like that, Yes, it was a good play by Zeke, right,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: But it's I'm looking for plays that I can say,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: this is what we can get, you know, this is
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: what we can expect. Like I can't expect Zeke to
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: make literally half the defense miss, which there was a
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: great individual effort by Zeke. Do you think you're going
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: to get a seventy five yard catch and run again?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: No, No, it was just you know, good to see it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Was a good play. But like we're really we're really
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: ten for forty six and seven for thirty four, Like
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: they didn't even average five to carry, and we're like
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: really putting the trumpets out like four point five. You know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: four point four is a team they had eighty three yards.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: You know, Mac two just does not have anybody that
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: he can trust will be there no matter what. Like
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: I feel like Jacobe was that so in the situation
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: where the safe play this play with the safety for example,
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: I feel like if that was Jacoby right there instead
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: of Remandray, he probably would have done it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: He probably wouldn't have hesitated.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I just wonder what broke Mac looks like with that guy,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: because then is it he's just only on that guy,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: you know, Like at this point, I wonder if he
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: would be looking at Jacob like every time to the
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: to the Born thing fred that you know, Like so
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: he had ten for eighty nine.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Now thirty six of those came on one play. Yeah
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: again it was another like he broke like three tackles.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: G great play by Kendrick Bourne. So that's nine for
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: like fifty something. That's like less than six six a catch,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: And that's what they were. But what what I do
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I little intrigued with Born here though, is like a
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: lot of quick slants, a lot of get the ball
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: out quick, a lot of Jakobe Meyer's stuff, right exactly.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Like maybe he's not a traditional slot guy, but you
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: used him as a slot guy in this game, and
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: he caught a lot of passes. Now maybe those can
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: be first downs. Yeah, and you know, you're I don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: know when you live with that, it doesn't that's like
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: if it's six yards on third and four, that's great play.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: It's maddening that this that that game hasn't happened for
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne sooner.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like the fans were like with the
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: you know, out with the torches, like fe Kendrick.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Bourne, and we kind of laughed about it. Well, I'm
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: still and like I'm still there. Yeah, for the big pitcher,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne, I'm still there. But for this offense, it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: all you got right exactly.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: And that's you know, and at what point could they
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: have gotten him a little bit more involved? And then
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just the other thing that's just in
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: my craw right now is just the fact that they
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: gave three year deals to both Juju Smith Schuster and
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker, Like.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Those are the two guys that were building that might
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: be good.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: For my rant.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: That's why I was wondering, do you think they were
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: trying too hard to give Juju the ball the first
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: couple of weeks instead of I.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Don't know, it was sporadic because they looked at him
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: and like it wasn't even a game and then but
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: then first down gotta have a game on the line.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, then we go to him like.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: That's what I don't get and I just those two guys, like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I just I don't know where that personnel mis evaluation happened,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: because I mean I was, you know, to be honest,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: you guys know, I was a little bit positive.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I'm on Parker when he first got here. I said, well,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: at least he's an NFL outside receiver with some size.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: He's got some things that can do.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: And he is that he is, but he's slowly descended
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: to a point now where he's just completely in effect.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: But we're trying to treat it like he's more than that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like I know number one guy, like I, I
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: just like to get back to where he come down
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: with a couple of contested catches a game, like at least,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: but they're not even to that point anymore. And then
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: the way that things ended with him in the locker
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: room and what he's say, I'm like, how do we
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: get out of these two contract?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: So Fred I'm gonna pull you, okay, going direct to
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Camra looking at you okay. So I get really annoyed
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: by these things because you know, I tend to look
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: at things more from a personal side, the emotional part
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: of the game that you know, I often say like
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: no spreadsheet for Okay. So you had a guy in
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers who did one of the dumbest things I've
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: ever seen to cost the team a football team football
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: game last year in that very stadium, throwing the ball
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: back across the field. We all know what happened. He
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: was basically in tears at the end of the game,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: talking to every single guy who asked him a question
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: about it, taking one thousand percent accountability for it. He's
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: now in Las Vegas, having nothing to do with that play,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, but having everything to do with his
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: audacity to question the coach's decision to yank Mac out
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of the Monday night game against Chicago and put in
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Zappi and sort of subject Mac to that night, which
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: we all remember was ugly yep here in Foxborough. Okay. That,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, not anybody else's, not an informed opinion.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: My opinion is why they chose to move on from
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers, the guy who, when it was his fault
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: they lost a game, stood as if his life depended
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: on taking accountability. You chose to extend a guy who
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: tries to tell you that the ball hit off his
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: fingertips after by the way next questioning another guy who
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: asked him what he saw. You chose to extend one
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of those guys and let the other one walk. That
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: really bothers me. Wes Welker. In the Super Bowl a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: past that, we've had debates about whether or not it
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: was Tom Brady's fault or Wes Welker's fault. Wes Welker
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: doesn't have any debate on it. Wes Welker says it
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: was Wes Welker's fault. And I've never seen a guy
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: for forty five minutes postgame and a Super Bowl with
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: the entire country asking him the question, his eyes as
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: red as my son's after homecoming. Okay, thank you, Matt,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: no one else, no one else.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Last Yeah, I thought it was the other thing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: He was, Okay, crying, crying, he was so upset about
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: costing his team a super Bowl.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It's a great point.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Where'd he go? See you, Wes? I don't get it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: It's a great point.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I don't get it. That bug me. Why make it sold?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: That aboves me?
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Like it's you know, like, what is it? I mean
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing that it's I don't want to be questioned
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: by these media guys like, what do they know?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Like that that's kind of what comes up. But it's
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: so easy to say, hit me in the hands.
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: I got at it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I had no excuse, Like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: It's the easiest thing in the world. You don't even
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: have to believe it walk away.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: It's the easy. Do you think anybody would sit here
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: today and say, wow, what Devonte Parker? But no, kidne
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: it was say hey, you know what, got to have
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: that ball. But at least he owned up to it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: By the way, even if it was on his fingertips,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: which it wasn't, he still should have said he could
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: have had.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: It right right.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You know, you back up your you'd never throw blame else.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I gotta make a play. I kept watching different replays
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: of it as we were doing the post game Freddy
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: and I kept looking. I was like, maybe, you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: maybe one of the defensive backs who's desperately trying to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: get back in the play. You know, sometimes they reach
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: up and the shot of bat, maybe it blocked his
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: field division he lost sight of the ball. For nope,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: it never happened. The ball lands in his hands.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I really didn't get a you know, a second, third,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: fourth look until I got on the plane and I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: let out an audible gas. I was like, oh, you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: because that's the first time i'd really got to see it,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you know, in slow motion. Everything absolutely had that ball.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: That is as routine a catch for an NFL receiver
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: as you can get. If you can't make that catch,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you camp.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: And that's what he's here for. Like, that's him, Like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: that's he's supposed to be that guy. That's you gave
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: him a three year contract extension this summer to do
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: stuff like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: That, and I know they didn't extend him after he
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: failed to take accountability, but that's.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: This is the guy you chose to extend the same
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: thing with you get your handed that's you know, your
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: your crown piece of of free agency this year was
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: at least at least.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Juju is is you know. And again he's taking you right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: He's not telling you my knee hurts. He's telling you
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good. I'm just got to play better.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm a little torn on part of
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: me likes that he is willing to talk about. Also,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I kind of like talking to the
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: cameras that don't like.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: The player himself has not done the job and that's
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the bottom line. But again, at least he's taking accountability.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Parker like that that was awful?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Do you believe people are like saying he should be
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: cut after that? Like Parker, I mean, that seems it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: intense to me, Like, I don't know if you could
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: make that move just to cut somebody for not be
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: the first time that a coaches used to guy to
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: make an example.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Well, at at very least he owes Mac in apology.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I believe that, first first for dropping it and then
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: for not Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: He owes in an apology for not saying that he
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: should have caught the ball. I agree.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: I think of that that topic. Do you think that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Then he could go back to Patricia later?
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: Do you do you believe the hype around Mac has
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: lost like players.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: Respect in the locker room. I think about that floating around.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, because of the kicking and vanilla.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's everything.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the entire I think the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: guys see him working hard and you know, some guy
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I I don't know, but I would say
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: it's like being on any team. I'm sure like there
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: is what fifty guys on the team, there's certainly going
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: to be defensive players who are like, this, ain't it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: This, ain't it, This isn't what I think there are
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: offensive players that here him after what game? Was it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: The was it the Miami game? What he's talking about.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: We've got to work harder, you know, we can't have
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: some of it, some of us. It's got to be
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: everybody something like that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: But since then, it's always been you know, I just
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: got to keep positive mental attitude. But that's great, I know.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But to Tamara's point, if there are people in that
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: locker room that aren't necessarily willing to run through a
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: wall for him, I understand why.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's getting killed every week and the other
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: player his teammates see that he's under five.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: It's kind of the opposite of Brady Belichick. Now, it's like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: who's who have they stopped playing for?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: More?
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Like do they You know, it's because this doesn't look
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: like a team really has a lot of fight right now.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: And I think probably some of it is people don't
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: really believe that Mac is going to lead their team.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure that there are probably members of this
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: team that aren't really buying.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: What Bebe's slinging either.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: So you know, and now we're trying to divvy up there.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's deflating. I mean, you know, like you said,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you start the game off the way they did in
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the D. Defense is watching that, yep, and.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: They're like, here we go.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Well the defense also started off by letting the other
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: team have the ball for this, I know, but there's
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: plenty of blame to go around. The offense is by
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: far and away the biggest problem, but it's the Spider Man.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I think. I think you're going to get to the
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: point where the defense is like thank god the offense
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: is because no one's talking about we can't come up
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: with a stop. And they did force two punts in
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: that game. Yeah yeah, one of the first halts out
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: of there. I mean I think it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Evan had some stats yesterday on Twitter to kind of
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: sorry X, to back it up of the lack of
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: pressure without you on and this.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: You know, they can't with four man rush. Where is
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: get there?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Where is he?
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean he is He is on the
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: injury report, so he is hurt. But you know, I
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: saw Henry mckennon' tweeted, I'd say that Patriots haven't had
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: any contract extension discussions with Josh what no kidding?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that he is potentially, I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: if he's healthy. I mean, I know he left that game.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: He was on the injury report, I think with the knee,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: and he left that game with a foot. Oh gosh,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds right. So if I was a good
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: team that needed some pass rush depth, I'd give you
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: a sixth or seventh round pick for him.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: If you were like the twenty eleven Patriots and you
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: lost what's his face when he went down in Denver
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: who came here and had Andre Carter, you know, like
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: they lost one of their big pass rushers. They had
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: to put Marty Anderson in as like a you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: we need some pass rush depth.
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: We need it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You know, he doesn't have to be Von.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Miller, but we need a third guy off the edge
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: on third downs. Bring him in to do what he's
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: always done.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Mark Anderson had ten sacks when he was here.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So some some guy will sort of douce
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, But where's he this year?
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, and that's I don't I mean, I don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: want to like really rail on josh Uja. But I
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: just I'm not surprised, Like this isn't who he is.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: He's been a third down pass rusher since he was
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: at Michigan when you're in a favorable down and distance
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: and it's third and long and he can just run
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: off the edge, and like he's good.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: He's a really athletic guy. He's pretty good chasing people down.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: But when it comes with Judon's out and we need
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: you to play early downs and stop the run and
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: then get after the quarterback when they're going to try
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: to pass on early downs, is it's just never been
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: his game. And I think it's you know, it's this
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: team has so many issues right now that like re
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: signing a specialty pass rusher as much as I think,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: you know, it's nice to keep guys that you developed,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: and I like josh Jay, it's hard to make a case.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: For you, right And there was a point for during
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the game, and we were talking about this during the
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: post game show where Romo was actually talking about how
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: much they were missing Judon during plays while the play
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: was actually it was not during the replay showing how
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: much time Garolo had. There was times where there was
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: one play in the second half where Hoyer could have
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: like made himself a sandwich he had so much time.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: And Romo actually said, this is where the absence of
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Judeon really shows up, sure like while the play was
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, one guy shouldn't make that much of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: a difference.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: No, right, but does. But you're right to what to
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: ask the question where has and he should be the
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: guy that's filling that void at least in terms of
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: putting some pressure on. Yeah, and he's gotten I mean,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I know he only has two sacks, but it's not
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: like he's been around the quarterback constantly.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I see him. I see him just you know, he
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: gets contact and he's just locked on the wall. He's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: just stonewalls.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: I found Evan's tweet with the stats with him without Judon,
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: with Judon ten sacks without Judon, two sacks, pressure percentage
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: with Judon thirty seven point three without Judon twenty five
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: point eight percent.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's big, sounds significant. Yeah, I think part of
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: that is also they've changed the way they play a
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: little bit too. You know, I think that they know
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: they don't have that guy, so but it can't necessarily
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: rely on.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: But again, it's just like one of these issues that like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: you know, like us, we saw it coming, Like we
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: talked about tackles this offseason constantly. We talked about what
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: happens if Judoon goes down, They're gonna be in trouble.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Times if I use the term house of cards, yeah,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I mean it's been a slow motion train wreck where
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you just see it coming and you're like, you know, hi,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm just you know, Patriots and filter writer guy.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: But like to me, you might want to get some
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: tackles in the building like that have some potential in
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: her young and you know that you can work in
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: and it's it's just not surprising when you see these things.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'll come home, all right, Well.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: You want to tackle in the building.
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: Evan Collins and Nate Solder was out there watching practice.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Evan, I heard that you are directing a new movie
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: called Broke Mac Mountain.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: That's a that's a pf W cover right there.
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: How long were you sitting righting the show?
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: You need to behind the curtain of like how he
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: comes up with these things. That's at some point.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: That's Denver Christmas Eve. That was because you know, it's
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: kind of a mile high.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't really I didn't really care for that anyways. Uh,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: it's a beautiful love story. Patriots practice today on a Tuesday,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: so I want to preface that with these not spotted
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: are not seen there that it's a Tuesday practice, so
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit expedited to have some of these guys.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: So this is our list. Are going to start with
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the positives. Jack Jones back at Patriots practice on Tuesday,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: so that that starts his clock. So I I, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: recent's had that report that it was probably going to
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: be a couple more weeks, but that they were hopeful
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: after that that he was going to be able to play.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: So I think that you're looking at maybe getting Jack
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Jones everybody down.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: No, I meant that was a line from Fletch the
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: crooked police come and thank goodness it's the.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: I got you.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm going to plead the fifth on that conversation
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to Mario Douglas also back at Patriots, so that's good.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Not spotted including Juju, Remandra Stevenson, Hunter, Henry Trent Brown,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: josh U J, Devon Godshaw, and Keon White, who left
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: the game with the concussions, so I would expect him
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: to be out. Speaking of tackles, there was a new
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: number seventy five, who we all presume is actually an
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: old number seventy five, and that would be one Connor McDermott.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I thought he was placed on IOWA.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: He was on IR He was then released with an
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: injury settlement, and I assumed that the rules have now
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: passed and he is backed. And I I say this
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: with not being.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Like to say it, I know exactly.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Benefit not not being naive of this is where we're at,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that it's Connor McDermott that's coming to save the season.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: But it is. It is an upgrade potentially over Darian Low.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: It really is.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I think his film Last Year Down the Stretch is
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: certainly better than anything Vederian Low has put out.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: We remember, look at what they do, not what they say.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Oh this is what Finally they probably agree.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: I like that line, Fred, because when I think of, oh,
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: we're going to start over this week, I'm like, I
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: feel like the hype around hearing starting over. We were
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: expecting to see a different product on Sunday, but what
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: we saw was not exactly starting over right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: A just rifling off that list of absence sees again,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just curious, you said, gotcha, Trump, Brown, Hunter.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Henry remondra Stevenson, Hunter, Henry Trent, Brown, Juju Smith, Schuster,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: John Jones, josh U J. Devon, Godshaw, key On White.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So I think, like I brought up the Tuesday practice thing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: So this is the second consecutive week that they've practiced
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: on a Tuesday, I will say that this is their
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: one and five, like this is a sign of the times,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Like this is not like a normal thing for them
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: to be practicing on Tuesdays. In my time on the beat,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: They've never practiced on Tuesdays. We asked Trags. You know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Paul can weigh in. It's been here longer than me.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Trags can't recall them ever practicing on a Tuesday either,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and he goes back thirty years of covering the Patriots.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: So we talked about it before. Yeah, I never never
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: remember Tuesday practice.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Right, So guys like We'mandre, Henry Trent, those guys God Shot,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: like those guys I think are just banged up throughout
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: the course of the season and their absences today. I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: wouldn't panic over just yet. I think that that's more
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a maintenance day and this is an awkward thing to
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: have this Tuesday practice.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, I would agree with that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: I was a little surprised that Stevenson came back in
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: the game, but once he did, I assumed that he
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: cleared any kind.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Of yeah, well, you know, it's funny watch again it
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: was so he actually said it. So he said it
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: was his ankle post game.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: And then I think he fell and kind of hit
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: his head on him play, and I think they just
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: pulled him to check him.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: But I think that he was immediately grabbed his face mask,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, Like, I was really happy what
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: he got back in the game. Now, I say this
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: all the time because I get annoyed at the yents
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: on Twitter every night and every time I watch every
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: no every time I watch a game, every time a
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: guy goes down like it happens Sunday night, Josh Allen
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: gets sacked and he hit his head on the ground,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean he has a concussion, like he got checked.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: He left the game for a couple of plays. If
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: he goes over to the neurologists, it's always crooked, Like
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: to everybody on Twitter and it's always generally like it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: crooked for Kansas City, it's crooked for Buffalo, you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Like it's always the teams that tend to be good
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: that the NFL is trying to let win. So Josh
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Allen was allowed back in the game. Ramindrie Stevenson didn't
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: necessarily have to have a concussion just because he hit
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: his head hard on the turf. So I was really
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: glad when he came back in the game and they
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: don't drag any My timeline wasn't littered with how did
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: he just pass concussion protocol so fast?
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, it's good that the NFL is being able
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: to do that. I meant, that's how case like. But
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: he like ran over to the side and got checked
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: out quick. Now, now if that rough in the passer
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: call was pretty crazy. Oh it's a terrible call. It's
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: a terrible call.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: But my point about the concussions is like do they
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: miss him. Of course they do, Like this is situation
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: with Tua last year. Obviously was more severe than was
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: originally let on. But because of that, now every time
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: a guy gets it, he automatically has to be concustom
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: needs to come out of the game.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, they're airing on the side of cars.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: But and I get that, that's okay, So let him
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: get checked out, right, Like who was the guy? Jamal
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Adams went ballistic on the guy, right, and he apologized.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: He got I think he got, he got. He got
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: made to look bad for that. But just because he
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: got hit in the head doesn't mean like he needs
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: to miss the next three games, right, you know, so
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: I get it?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Did you already ask Evan the mood step on your toes?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: We are wondering what is the movie?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Well, so I actually have an answer for you this week,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: because actually there was you know, it was a Tuesday practice,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: so it was a little bit of a lighter contingent
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: because this was you know, kind of unexpected to an extent,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: and uh, there was a lot of moving parts, so
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: we actually he had to to band together and huddle
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: up a little bit and go over our absences and
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: things like that. So this was this one made you
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: think a little bit. This was more like a training
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: camp practice where like, you know, there's ninety guys out there.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: And you have to don't care for it. Yeah, I
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: don't like relying on other people's information. I want my guy.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: So instead of the usual chatter that people had to
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: get down to work.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to focus. There was a lot of
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: you know, guys coming back, guys absent, new guy, you know, Likeybe.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: They were grousing about having to like collaborate with everybody.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's what It's a lot going on.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: I was not talking to that guy. But what about
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: this Eric take attendance?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: How was the on field.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Move same as usual? I thought Jack Jones, I watched him,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: you know, warming up a little bit just to see
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: what he how he was moving. And we didn't get
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: to watch that much of practice, but you can always
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: tell when a guy is like excited to be back
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: out there, and that was that was his mood, for sure.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: He was. He was bouncing around a little bit. Return
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Connor mcturmott seventy five looks good.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: What's uh? Speaking of Jack Jones, what's the deal with
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones?
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Banged up? He looks a little uh to me? Still, yeah, yeah,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I get that. What a knee injury? I think again,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I want to throw it out. What did you see
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: in the deep ball to that Jonathan Jones allowed to
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Trey Tucker tough spot.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they they doubled Myers and DeVante Adams underneath.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Do you think that that should have happened?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Why did Jonathan Jones get up looking for a safety?
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a good question. They you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: they had, like.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: I think Peppers should not have come down on that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: They had crossing routes, you know, each direction, right and uh,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: one by Myers and one by Adams and bullet dugger
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: and jumped Adams, Peppers jumped Myers and John Jones was
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: one on one down the field with Tucker.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just was wondering if one of those safeties,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: and I thought it was Peppers that should have been
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: It looked like Jones was expecting deep Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was just trying to avoid blame.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Uh, this was not He's banged.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Fred will tell you that is a page written, directed
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: and produced by Ty Law. Law was the greatest ever
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: at immediately letting everybody.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Know what my fault.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: I just gave up a catch, but it might not
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: necessarily my fault.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I would say two in theory, like you would think
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Trey Tucker was he drafted or yeah, it was rookie,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: but no, not yet around he's fast, but I mean
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Jones on him like, well, I that's super fa.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: That's how I sort of read the coverage was we're
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: going to take away your two best options and leave
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: the guy who we think our best corner is one
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: on one with your rookie receiver, and we're going to
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: take the matchup.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, and he just got beat. But this was John
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Jones gave up one hundred and seventeen yards into his
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: coverage in this game, and other than when he goes
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: up against thee fon Diggs, I can't really think of
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: another instance where where he gives up that that kind
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: of yardage. So it wasn't just the forty eight yard
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: this so that was a rough game for him.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, all right, eight five to five pats
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: five hundred is the ace ticket hut line. Let's go
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to the phones. We'll start with Alex in Austin. What's up, Alex, Hey, guys,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: how are we doing good? Thanks for holding man?
• 52:08
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I have one point to make and one question.
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: The point I wanted to make was on the safety
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: at the end the offensive lines reaction and just leaving
• 52:21
  Speaker 12: the field and only one of them reluctantly helping back
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: up was absolute bush league in my opinion, and I
• 52:28
  Speaker 12: just really hated to see that because they looked like, oh, yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: we let this guy through to get a safety on you,
• 52:35
  Speaker 12: and now we're not gonna even like hold ourselves accountable
• 52:38
  Speaker 12: and help you out.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: But my my question was who what teams are we
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: better than?
• 52:47
  Speaker 12: Like I'd argue Carolina is better than us. They had
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: a good opening game plan against Miami, they just don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: have the defensive talent to see it through. And like
• 52:57
  Speaker 12: Denver would put points up on us. Uh, Like, the
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: only ones that really come to mind are Indianapolis now
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: that Richards is out, and New York Giants.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point it doesn't even really matter.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not necessarily going to pare all the rosters.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I would say that, you know, the Washington's, the Indies,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: the Giants, those are teams that are similar to you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I think the Raiders are similar to you in talent.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: There wasn't a huge gap in talent on on Sunday that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: You're better than the Carolina Panthers team.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I think the Panthers are stripping it down and.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I'm.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Up to be. I actually thought, because I watched a
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: good chunk of that game on Red Zone Sunday, and
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: I actually thought that they they did have a good
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: game plan to start of that game, and I thought
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Bryce Young looked pretty good at the start of that game. Now,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: much which happens to a lot of rookie quarterbacks. Here's
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: the ten things we want to do this week, Evan,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: and then when the other team sort of figures out
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: with what eight of those ten things are tough, you know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: kind of like Mac in the middle of his rookie year. Yeah, right,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: you know you see a difference.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your question?
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I think that was the question.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I don't necessarily think there were
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of teams that the Patriots are more talented
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: quote unquote then, but I think there were a lot
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: of similar teams to the Patriots.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know the Giants played their backup
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: quarterback with Tyrod in that game, but that offense is
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: a dumpster fire.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Well that offense, you do realize the entirety of that
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: They started a guy that was literally he said it
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: on my Yeah.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe they I don't know the Giants injury
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: situation that well, but I just know that that that was.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: What the Patriots are getting down the start point too,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: with the injuries. You know, It's yeah, I mean that's
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: what happens when things go south, guys.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, well, I mean I think we're
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: getting at that point now. That's what we're kind of
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I think some of it is injuries, that
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: some of it is poor play, like too.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, Josh is in Dallas, Hey, Josh.
• 54:55
  Speaker 13: Everyone, I think we can agree that the writing is
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: kind of on the all that the end of the
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: Mac Jones era is coming, and maybe probably even the
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: Bill Belichick era. And so I'm not asking you guys
• 55:09
  Speaker 13: to debate. I think we've kind of talked enough about
• 55:12
  Speaker 13: whether it's Mac who just can't play, or the coaching
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: musical chairs, or they didn't set them up with receivers, whatever.
• 55:18
  Speaker 13: I'm not asking you guys to debate that. But I
• 55:21
  Speaker 13: would love for you guys just to maybe speculate a
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: little bit if Lord willing Pe' is still on the
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: air in twenty years, when you guys think about this
• 55:29
  Speaker 13: post Brady era with Bill kind of at the end
• 55:33
  Speaker 13: of his time and Mac Jones as a quarterback. What
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: do you think it'll be most remembered for. How do
• 55:39
  Speaker 13: you think you guys in the media and the fans
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: will remember it if you guys are referencing it on
• 55:44
  Speaker 13: future shows.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Okay, I mean hopefully in twenty years. This
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: is just a footnote, like it's a hiccup and we've
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: done better since then. But like, if you're looking at
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: this era, this is like the purgatory Fred. This is
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the after you lose the greatest player in the in
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the world that you needed to adjust and it just
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: took you time.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just say, but I think they fell into
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: a talent void.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: And I mean, I guess the phrase falling into is
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: putting it kindly, but they ended up in a talent
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: void and that's really where they're at.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: They don't have any star players. They don't really.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: They had to go out and try to buy a
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: couple in free agency, and you know, they got good
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: returns on Judon, but they didn't.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: They just didn't get enough out of the draft.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: And you know, I think like just a lot of
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: their moves have just backfired in their face over these
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: last few.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Years that there was a talent void. There was a
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: coaching void. I mean it was just a void.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all the credible when you really think
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: about like all of the personnel moves that they've made
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: and how many of them have blown up in their face,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: is it's actually a kind of an insane run.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: It is just like it's.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: Almost hard to imagine how they could have, you know,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: missed on so many first round picks.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like if this like the draft, even in
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: free agency too, like sorry to cut you off to Mara,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: but like you know, just look at that class from
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one in free agent. So you got what
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Jude on Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry and I'm like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: you know, the John Ude signing, the you know, the
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: jujuw signing, Like it's not Parker, Like it's not just
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the draft. Like they've done a terrible job in pro personnel.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Also for like four years, Riley Reef.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: And Calvin Anderson was supposed to be the answers that
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: tackle this year. Like you know, like just you can go.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: On and on, it's it's and when you start really
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: thinking about it and lining it up from I don't know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: twenty eighteen on it's just that that's what it is.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: That's why they're here. It's just poor decisions that have
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: all kind of backfright. I thought it was interesting. You see,
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: Julian Edelman had a comment. I just, I mean, nothing
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: we didn't know, but he was talking about how you
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: know when you see and you could tell who was
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I don't want to call anybody out, but you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: you have.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: A first round pick, you know, and it's like yeah, yeah,
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: I mean it's and it's so many of the things
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: again like to go back to like, Hi, I'm just
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: a Patriots and Filter writer, but it's like these things
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: seemed obvious to me. And I don't want to be
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: the one who was, you know, saying you should have
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: known better. But I just it's shocking to me how
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: they could have made this many mistakes.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: I feel like if this was any other organization who
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: was coached by someone else, they would have been lego,
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: Like this would not be a four year situation.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Last year.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: I think last year would have done it, you know
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: what I mean, twenty twenty you're in COVID and you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: all right, fine, I think everybody, like even the most
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: diehard you know, Brady fans would have said the year
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: after Brady leaves, let's just temper expectations, all right, Like,
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: you know, we all know what he was and what
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: he meant. But you know, you spend in twenty twenty one,
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: it seems like you draft a quarterback, you've turned the corner.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: But they just couldn't hit on enough moves to you know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: make it work.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Do you think the moves that they made over the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: last three years are moves that a team who knows
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: they're in rebuilding mode make, or are they moves that
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: of a team that think, you know, we're not that
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: we're not that far away that Yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: I think it's more so like we have the best coaches,
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: like we can coach, we can coach anything and make
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: it something.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's that's.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Not the case.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I think the moves they've made or moves that they think,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: you know, a couple of tweaks here and there. I
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: think they think they're a lot closer than we think
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: they are.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if like they're it's hard because I
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: don't know if they're necessarily that far away. It's just
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: like what they need is to is like the hardest
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: things to get and it's like the biggest thing, right, Like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: you know, if you dropped in a better quarterback and
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: a number one receiver, Like, would this team all of
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: a sudden be winning ten eleven games again? Like, oh,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I think they would.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: If they had with that line. Yeah, yeah they would.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I think they would, especially if, like the line is
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: healthier than it had has been.
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: A healthy Burrow and Chase in this.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, now, well he just said a top quarterback
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: and a top receiver and.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That's put both of them here, and those are the
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: top of the top.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: But if you had a really good quarterback and a
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: really good receiver, you'd be able to outscore some teams.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: You can't do that now, Yeah, Like it's not there's
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of teams with terrible line play. It doesn't
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: have to look like this when you have terrible line play. Yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: I just think.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: There's doesn't I mean, if I go to the defensive
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: side of the ball, too, I feel like they're.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Kind of just stuck in the middle, like, you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: they just don't really have and today's game. To me,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: they're fine defensively, but they're just they're not the defense
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: that they're purported to be no, like you're not winning
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: games because of your defense. The defense is like, you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: you look at that, They've never done that. They've never
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: done that against that kind of an opponent.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: It's it's the defenses of the injuries on the defense
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: as a bummer. Like if they had Judon and Christian
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Gonzales and they are building with Gonzales, I really think
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: that they could have been unap double better.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'd be like that. I would think
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: they'd be winning games.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: But I wonder what it would look like if they
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: had Gonzalez but they didn't have jude On, you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: like because I just I like, I hate to hammer
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: the jude On point, but it's you know, and I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: think he On White has some promise, but he's not
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: going to be Matt jude On, Like you need, you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: needed another one of those kind of players, not kind
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: of a let's feel it out hybrid defensive end stand
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: up maybe like you need. I mean, that's why the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings all of a sudden, guess what he'sn probably
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: play a hundred percent of the.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Nap A point, Fred I mean to the callers point,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: rather twenty years from now, when we're doing our when
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: you and I are still doing the show, and we'll
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: get in an argument over what the the lasting legacy
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: is of this era? Do you really think so like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: and will still be doing it?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: No, no, I just I feel like, twenty years from now,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: when I talk about Bill Belichick with my kids or
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: something like that, you talking about these four years. No, no,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: no chance.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: When you are talking about these four years, I think
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say they wasted time.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: I just feel like we're gonna get so far down
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: the like that's such a footnote in the Belichick era
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: that I don't know if I'm ever.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: Going to be But I ever talk about like the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: the eighty to eighty four Pittsburgh Steelers for Chuck Nolan.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: Well, but I have to say though, for me, like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: I will talk about them because I was like a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: blogger boy outside and then you're right, you're in it.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: You're I'm responding to the question, this is my wad,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: but you're working right. But that's the change for me
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: was going from the outside and all of a sudden
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: you're the inside. You get a year of Brady, you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: see how it's kind of looking, and then I mean
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: it's you know, I never in a million.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Years would have thought it would be this void if
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: we were all I mean, if we were all still
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: here seriously in twenty years, Yes we would talk like that. Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: you know, I just think outside I'm with Evan, like,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody looks back at Tom Landry and says,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: just you know, right, you know that the last four
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: or five years, man.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: That the only guy that gets out is Shula. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: that's because the only one one. So I feel like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: it's just, uh, you know, kind of like like you know,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: he really.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Couldn't win with Marino, like, but the thing, and like,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: there's no question in my mind how I feel. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: think Shula is the worst coach out of that group.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: That's how I feel about Shola. But I think I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: always felt like he owned the refs because he was
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: on the competition. I believe me. I hated the Dolphins
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: when I was a kid. I felt like they would
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: crooked as the day as long whatever. But he didn't
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: fall apart like all the rest of them did either.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: He couldn't quite win with Marino, but he was always there. Yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: he was always in the ABC Championship game and lost
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I I just like the other guys,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: like completely couldn't do anything.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I thought. I remember, whether it's Landry Shula or no.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: They stay too long.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: They all did. Yeah, but what I'm saying is it
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: didn't collapse under Shula the way it did.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, right, land they stay too long. And now
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: if Bill stays a few more years, it's gonna be.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: It could be. But do you think that's the legacy
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: of those guys?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no, but that is part of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: their story.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, and it will be part of Bill's story. Yes,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: this is how it ends. Was Landry's last year the one?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Was it a one win season? That was Jimmy Johnson's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: first first year? Okay? And then who dates? So then
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: they scatch Troy eight Man. I think Aikman was part
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: of the one.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: In fus Yeah, yeah, he was Donni's and Pittsburgh. What's up, Donnie?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 14: Hey, thanks for taking the call again. I was calling
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 14: to just follow.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 15: Up on last week.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 14: You know you guys talked about what's starting over man
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 14: after Bill's comments. We talked about improving the run game,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 14: getting more production out of defense with turnovers. A little
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 14: bit of that stuff happened. He got a little bit
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 14: of improved offensive line play. I think all around, even
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 14: Kendrick Bourne and guys I still believe in him played
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 14: a little better, but still the quarterback did not. So
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 14: my questions kind of forevan on that where do we
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 14: go from here? Do you think it's not even worth
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 14: bention Mac even though you're finally.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 16: A guy who's given up if you heard the first
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 16: part of the show, but I mean benching him for
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 16: whom like that's the like it just if they had
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 16: a better option, or they had like an exciting option,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 16: I don't even know a way to put it, like, and.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Don't call in about Malik like it's it, that's not
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: that's not an option, like a real option. Okay, so
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: it just what else do you really do? I actually
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: thought that they spoke after the game about how they
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: got back to a lot of like their base concepts,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: like their day one install stuff, and I think some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: of that is is true. But I liked what they
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: did with the Running game. There was more motion involved
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: in the Running Game, some jet sweeps and end a rounds,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: some you know, go motion where they showed the motion,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: but they don't actually give the ball to the guy
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: and that seemed to work and open up some things.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: They were definitely better in short yardage, and I think
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: that was something that a lot of people were kind
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: of screaming about, was like why do you keep passing
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: it on third and in one and two, Like like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: why are we running the ball? And they were able
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: to pick up some first downs on the ground, you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: tossed to Remandre, sweep to Bourne, like just by running
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: the ball on third and short. So in some ways,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I think they started over in that sense of like
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: going back to the basics of their install But I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: also think that they dressed it up a little bit
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: better in the run game, and I think that's why
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of the reason why they had more success
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: We didn't get to talk about it because it was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: a move that was made late or just before the game,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: and you guys probably talked about in the postgame show.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: But what do you think with the home Elite Cunningham
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: thing and you know, elevating him to the second quarterback
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: and how they eventually used him, what did you think about.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: All that His six naps were a disaster?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, none of them like that, Like you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand it. It's it's the lead of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: my notes today that we posted this morning. Mike and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: I talked about it the whole post, whole pregame show,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: the whole notion that Mac was on a short leash
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: was the opposite because that that move prevented you from
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: having the ability to take mac Jones out of the game,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: because there's no possible way you could turn the offense
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: over to Malie Cunningham for anything other than a specific
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: package of plays, which they obviously used. I think you
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: get did you get.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Two STAPs wrong and TfL right?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: So I'll get to that later off there too.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 10: But the.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Did the decision to do to do that? Like what
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: if Mac Jones like hear me out here and I know, like,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: well now he's talking about ifs, and he always makes
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: fun of the ifs, But like, is it out of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: the realm of possibility that Mac Jones turns an ankle
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: and needs to miss like two series? What you're gonna
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: do now? So now Zappi has to come in, right,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: So Zappi comes in. That means mac Jones can't return
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: and Cunningham can't return, can't play right, So you put
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where to avoid that you would
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: have had to have played Cunningham for actual series of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: downs and potentially put the kid didn't care in my opinion,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: in the situation that he absolutely could not compete.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think it was.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: It was a disservice to the team. It was negligent,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: and I know I used that word with coaches a lot.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: It was coaching negligence and they were lucky that it
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: didn't really come into into play. But listen, if Mac
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Jones gets hit in the first play of the game
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: and goes down with the concussion, he's out, then it's
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: a point like you're putting in Bailey ZAPPI. You don't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: want to put Mac. You can't put Mac Jones back
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: in any way, even if even if you wanted to,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: you can't.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Well, how could you put in Bailey's happy.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: Because then cunning he wouldn't be able to play. But
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: so cunning you could do that if you if the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: first two guys are no longer available.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Right, But you just said that if Mac in the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: first player of the game, get Like, my whole thing
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: is is if Mac gets hurt, Like, let's say.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: You lose two players you lose, the first has to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: be hurt. No, no, no, just unavailable?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Was how does that? What do you mean unavailable?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: He can't play?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: So he he can he can get skipped over, but.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: He couldn't go in the game.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Even.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Let's just I thought, let's just say the second player
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: of the game, Bailey's Appy gets a concussion, He's out
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: right now, you're going with uh ramondre Stevenson out of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: the wildcat everything.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: So I thought that you that the the QB two.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: I would thought that QB two had to get hurt
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: in order for you to activate QB three.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: But you don't. Really, I mean, like, who's to say
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: who qb QB two even.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Is well that you have to designate it where in
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: the inactives?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: No, you have to just need an emergency guy.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I thought, what I'm saying is I the rule was
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: is that in order to even get to the emergency
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: quarterback as an option.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: You first two can't be available.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it was that they have to have injuries.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, there's obviously an easy way to do that.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: You haven't if if in fact you're right, he goes
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: out and runs a wildcat in the first play and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: they tell him stay down. Yeah. Right, but this is
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: what we talked about. And this is why, like, I'm
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: not this is even an argument, Yeah, because because I'm
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: just we're saying the same thing.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I just thought maybe the rule is I was confused.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: Whether or not you get stuck with Malie Cunningham is
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: irrelevant to my Lodger point. You're putting yourself in a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: situation that you're putting the team in peril.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: Literally, And he didn't even have a proper warm up,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: like oh that that also annoyed the crap he warmed
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: up in the locker room so he wouldn't show anybody anything.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: That's weird, Like, no one has time for that, Like
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: you need to win games. No one has time to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 8: be playing nine games on people.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Like games like So if Evan's right, it makes it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: even worse, by the way, because now he quarterback. Right,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: My understanding is get hurt. The first two guys have
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: to be unavailable. Now, I think there was a very
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: easy way around this. You don't have to designate an
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: emergency quarterback. You could have had all three on the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: regular roster.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: Just had cunning him be a wide receiver and just have.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: No cunning him could be a quarterback. I'm fine with that,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: but you do not have to designate a third emergency quarterback.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: He's one of your forty six pas. That's back spot.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: He's a spot on the roster. And I don't know,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: can you get by without Jalen Raider on the roster.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Apparently not. He was out here. He was out there.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: He didn't do anything, like, he wasn't part of anything.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: How about Michael when you he didn't play at all?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: He was for the emergency.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: So here's the rule is the third quarterback can enter
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: only if the two other quarterbacks are not available due
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: to injury or ejection. Okay, So so Malie could have
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: gone out there and thrown a punch, and I guess
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: even you know they could have gotten you.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying, you just put him in there for
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: the second play and you tell him stay down. We
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: got to get you out either way. The short leash
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: for Mac Jones they had.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: And that's not fair to Malie Cunningham. It's not fair
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: to him. He spent the entirety of his Patriots career
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: playing wide receiver and he's the second quarterback in that game.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Like that makes sense to anybody.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: And the two snaps that he got a quarterback were yeah,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: and I'm not putting that on him, Like I know
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: he could have had like a ninety eight yard touchdown
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: run if he pulled it on the first even though
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: there was a guy. But if you would have it
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: would have been a big play. It would have been
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: a one on one and maybe he makes the guy miss.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Like if you really want to get him in the game,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like Paul said, list him as your third quarterback,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: or list him as a wide receiver and use up
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: an extra spot and take on when you out, or
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: somebody someone.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: Else could have been inactive in that game. You could
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: have had all three of those guys.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Chris Board who shows up every game, But like.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: What do you but at least he plays. But if
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: you're Mac Jones, what are you thinking? Like you've heard
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: report that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: You're gonna be on a short leash and then they
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: don't activate bailly z.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: That be like to me, it just seems like Max,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I'm throwing over one hundred Henry, But what are you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: gonna do?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: But that's us saying he was on a short leaf right, Well,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting I meanick never stood up and said,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Max on a short.
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  Speaker 4: You know, except for those two weeks that he benched.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: No, I know, but but it's got to be Mac
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: looking around saying so if I play bad, what are
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: we doing?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Like who's going in? But I mean he has to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: be away?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: But what did ZAPPI show that?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: This is my point?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I know, but like maybe after that second bench he's.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Like if he you know, so okay, so you want
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: so you thought Malie Cunningham would be a better option
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: than Bailey's after.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Will g No, not as not as a quarter.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: But they wanted that's what Bill did. Bill thought that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: that was a better option.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: But they know I I don't understand what they did.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Like I get it that they wanted to have a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: package for Cunningham in a wildcat situation, but that doesn't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: mean you had to list him as the number.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Two quint yourself into a corner.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand that.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, even the Saints with Taysom Hill, Jason j
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Mus Winston is active for the game right, they act
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: like they have Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill. And Taysom
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Hill has started games at quarterback in the NFL, like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: he's legitimately played quarterback.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: And plays quarterback every game. Yeah right, it's not taking
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: a snapback quarterback every game. You don't have to designate
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: a third quarterback. You can find a way to have
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: all three of those guys just regularly active.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Paul chess checkers.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we're playing chess with this is part
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: of the thing. It's just like when you on side
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: kick on a punt and punch it right to it
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: and like I'll never expect it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Just how much time are you spending in practice, in
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the preparation of the game, playing chess with Malie Cunningham
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: and in like all this other Like this is the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: type of stuff that like I just feel like this organization,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: this team that worries about all of the wrong things,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: like way too much. It's like, stop spending so much
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: time trying to like you know, split an at him
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: here and like just like take your your quarterback is
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: clearly broke and like try to like work with him
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: and try to figure some things out.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: And they sometimes when they do it. And I couldn't
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: agree more with Whatevan the way he just said that.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: But like sometimes you look at things and they think
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: it and they think it, and they think it, and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: you're like, okay, and I would use those short yardage
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: runs that they had, like three kind of different looks
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: variations of the same thing. One was like a quick
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: hitting pitch out to Remandre. One was like an end
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: a round I think to Born and a kind of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: reverse kind of thing. And you look at him, and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: none of them like broke the bank. I think they
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: were all like five yards or less, but all of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: them got first downs. So I would look at that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: and say, Jesus, you really used a lot of effort
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: in time there to get first downs. But that's better
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: than what's been the alternative lately of these third and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: shorts that they're not converting. So I can understand, Okay,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: they gave some extra thought. Maybe that was too much
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: thought given to just getting three yards in a first down,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: but at least it was something that you could tangibly
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: say that they got out of it, these things that
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: they spent time. I'm on, like, we're gonna free kick.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: We're gonna kick it right to a guy yea, and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: hope that maybe he forgets that he can fare catch
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: and then well it'll be a jump ball. We might
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: be able to catch it.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: I a quick question for Eevan, how do you feel
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: about MAPU getting zero defensive snaps?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: I just like.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: The same story. I mean, look, I I will to
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: give Jelani Tevai and Anthony Jennings some credit that I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: think they've both played that j good in that game.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Jeliva is on like a heater, like playing well for
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: like the last two or three games. He was like
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: one of the few bright spots in Dallas, and he's look,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: you know, their pass Russ stinks without Judon, like it's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: it's literally non existent. But in terms of the run defense,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: the reason why the run defense hasn't completely tailed off
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: without Judon is is because of those two guys, to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Vay and Jennings. So I give to Via some credit.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with MAPU. I think
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: they wanted to give Jalen Mills some snaps because he's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: sounded off on Twitter about it, so he.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: Gave up a bunch of catches.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eric'son New jer Hey, Eric, Hey, how you doing.
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  Speaker 17: Fred have two questions I asked, I asked deuced and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 17: Freddy this, uh, this question only for the Pregameshow the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 17: other day but what do you at first, Tamara, Evan
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 17: and Freddy kind of won't know your thoughts about using
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 17: Marcus Jones, using Markus Jones on the offensive side again,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 17: he's going to getting about twelve fifteen snaps.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: On when he heard Marcus Jones is on injured reserve,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: he's hurt.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 17: No, I know I'm saying when when I'm saying when
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 17: he comes back.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: He's not coming back. He's got a toWin lady, not
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: coming back.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 17: But okay for next season or you know this off
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 17: season program using him on the offensive side just forgiven
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 17: to Well, let's let's.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Say he wasn't hurt.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: Let's hope they don't need to.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Then I would I would use anything I have.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: He would I would he I would absolutely want to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: use him on offense if he was healthy.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: I think they would have.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: But next year I would hope that they don't have
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: to be in the same situation.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they used him on offense. It was
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: only one snap, but in the like right out of
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: the game, in the Philly games.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be opposed to just saying he's.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: He was if he was healthy, trust me.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 18: Yeah, but thanks very in the middle oh, I'm sorry,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 18: Alex Charlotte, Alex, Yeah, it's not in a good place.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: Question.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 19: So I never go into probably a whole rebuild in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 19: the off season. I wonder you guys think there's any
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 19: value in the crafty and moving Bill into the Ernie
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 19: Adams role and promote j Mayo's head coach, and so
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 19: I guess.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: Listen, do you think there's any value in that?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: If they really like Gerard Mayo? If I love If
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: they really like Gerard Mayo, I see value in making
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: him head coach. If Bill would agree to just be
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: an advisor, I see value in that. But I don't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: see value paying him, you know, the highest head coach
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: salary in the league, just to do that.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: I would hate him absolutely everything about that.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't want Bill Belichick looming.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Over That's why I hate it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I you know, I said it before Bill left the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Jets before for that was one of the reasons he
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: didn't want Parcels looming over him.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: You know, when it's time for a new program, it's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: time for a new program. I mean, I think I'm
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: willing to make some allotments for Jirodmeyo because I like them.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if I want him to be
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: the head coach here. If there was a way to
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: get him to defensive coordinator, I think I would probably
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: consider that. I think that's a hard move to make, though,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: but I think, what if it happens, it's got to be.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if like a defensive coordinator associate head
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: coach title for him with.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: It's just hard with any coach with that hanging over
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: you too, though, But I.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Think that the one thing is though, is like in Miami,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: tried this with the ex patriotsism Josh Boyer and it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: failed and they moved on to Vic Fangio. But like defensively,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: like they have a great system. Like, So I don't
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: know if I necessarily mind keeping girod. Mayo as the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to keep the roots of the Belichick defensive
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: system in place. It's almost, you know, you don't need
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: to necessarily start over on that side of the ball.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: So I wouldn't mind that at all if Mayo was
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: still here in some capacity to keep the defense pretty
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: much the same.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, Tamara and Paul's food is here,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to take a break.
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  Speaker 10: this week section Gnar want an appoint New England Patriots
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: and then two and three Las Vegas Raiders a head
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: start for the opponent gets three not being lost bag
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: won't check it. Now there's a flag, a flag at
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: the line.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 21: Of Strummage's personal foul leverage over ninety six.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: Oh stupid Roy, how a matter first down?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: Can't be any dumber here in.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: San second year defensive lineman employed the field goal block
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 10: can leverage a critical penalty of Patriots special teams.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 21: You the only way you could be dumber signed Jamie
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 21: Collins back and have him run and jump.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: They changed the rule for that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: Stevens in the single set back and people in the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: first play, the Patriots are going backwards to move a
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: flag out of England.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 21: We'll start hopfense number fifty nine by yard penalty.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: Verse, Oh aren't you a beach?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: Oh my god, Harriet Lye the right jackle god. So
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: the offense starts down three nothing now with a firstman
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: fifteen and hand out attended to play fake about a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: droll underneath and there's nobody there too offense, Well, hunter
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 10: Henry was there three another flag? Were that play disrupted?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 10: So mac Jones with a fake to Stevenson trying to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 10: toss it to Henry at the line might get the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 10: fight here, do it, crowd?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: They could make it the five.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: They did grab them, tried to grab.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: It an elvile man downfield offense number seventy seven, a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: penally have declined second down two for two today.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 10: That's a way to start a football game. Mac Jones
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 10: screens a right fire shot all to mean he bibbles
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: handed in almost apparently on the deflection, got by Marcus Peters.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: So Matt Jones tossing it on the right flap for Stevenson.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 21: He basically caught it, hooked up, tilt, shuggled it and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 21: almost handed it to Marcus Peter.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 10: He snabbed it back high high right footed bunt sales
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: left right high to the far side of the field,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: and it will come down along that farest sideline to
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 10: be marked. Do you kicking him outside the surety outside
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 10: the thirty five almost of a foe hard line.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: You gotta be kidneyed.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 10: Jack unstaf two goes on to a format rutch a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 10: lot of time across the middle taking it down for Jacobs,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: running way past the forty. He gets to the forty
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: five and then bear hugging. Oh no, Jelani Levan and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 10: I'm glad he'll come in or a likely fifteen yard
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: penalty I am I'm stunning.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: You know you stop him. The progress is stopped.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 10: We're at the point.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: Down in national football in twenty twenty four.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 10: You can't pick any player up and slam him and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: play personal.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: Foul, unnecessary roughness.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Defense number forty eight, fifteen yard penalty automatic first.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 10: Now that's a good call to Bay. Cannot pick the
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 10: player up and try to slam him on his head.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: He had to do it. Progress was stopped. They were
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 10: coming in from the side.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: You can see it right here.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 21: Leverage is there, Jonathan Jones there and then boom right
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 21: than he get hurt his shoulder.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 10: Jacobs left the Garoppolo takes the stats and White slapped
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: got it. It is Peppers and Caro Woo to bye.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 10: He got a step and a pluckh off that big
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 10: hit by Peppers and the Patriots finally with another takeaway.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 10: Then third other season.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: Signs Peppers brings it every week.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 21: Want to stick by him to pop his ball up
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 21: and the defense belts himself out.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: That's a hell to play by Peppers.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 10: The snap to Jones standing in pressure, he goes down
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 10: at the spire a lad loop on the pass rush
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 10: and Adam Butler another ex Patriot. Thanks. They hit on
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: the sap.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we can block.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: The air right Seriously, he can't hit on a simple
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 10: loop to him, got a root head. You face the defense.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: It brings next level pressure, meeting backers or poor sea pies.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 10: You need your ass kids. Jimmy takes the snap, stands
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 10: at plenty of time.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: The rowns to the end zone.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 10: Car touchdown under the gold post and Jacoby.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: Meyer, what a dark what a thought from Colopolo hangs in.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 21: There's Smith's wing off the back foot and it's Myers
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 21: and he opened into the back middle. I sure offense
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 21: champ a yard. Jimmy go Ahold takes him right down
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 21: and want to throw wide the open pun called for
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 21: the back underneath the gold post.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: Wide open that guy.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 10: Snap to Jones, what's coming? Throws it right flat Forpelly
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 10: and running to match the thirty eight thirty five foot car.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 10: The femy put the race to the party. I'm flying
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 10: on the plays. He's changed from behind off. He runs
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 10: away from his backler. He leaps into the end zo.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 10: He lands with an apparent touchdown for the Patriots.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: It's coming back and they running ahead and he hit something.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 10: And back I think every official was too good to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 10: be tr a side of the pail on his mp kids. Yeah,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 10: right at Hunter Henry's feet. There are two orange or
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 10: yellow markers all on the turf e racing. We would
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 10: have been the Patriots first touchdown since the second quarter.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 10: Left hand held the.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: Week three holding off round number eighty five, kingyard Genalley.
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  Speaker 6: It's a good call. Can't get out of my own play.
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  Speaker 10: Hey boy, what a purse by Zeke too, What a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: what a fuss would ruling then absolutely ruled that.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: I don't think he really need to hit there. That's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: the second part of these calls and some.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 10: Of these decisions and these errors that the players are make.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: Just wall him off, just get foot lem seek this colling.
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  Speaker 10: And there's an instance too where Jones, to his credit,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 10: with the blitz coming from that side.
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  Speaker 21: Of the roosts, could throw as a great berth by
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 21: Zeke Man.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 10: He looks right with a pump, he rolls right, shakes,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 10: you can yablop closing.
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  Speaker 21: It throw down now ten running it back left side,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 21: two thirty down.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 10: I'd hit from behind and brought down a twenty five
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  Speaker 10: year line. But rose Vegans tray harrily, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 10: I'm notver thrown rolling why passing it back and crossed
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 10: his mind? A giveaway by the Padrians in striking distance
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 10: and with three point thirty six to go. It's a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 10: ten to three league here in the second we're in
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 10: the pistol. Can now only ut right out of the pistol.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 10: He's in for Jones. Cunningham is going to split to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 10: the left. It's the wildcat with Elliott waiting on the snap.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 10: He takes it because he runs it through the left side,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 10: fighting into the into touchdown. Patrians fight away.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: Just get the ball to fifteen.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 10: He'll find a way to get it in. He came
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 10: to play today, Bill and see Kelliot right back with
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 10: the play bak ala. He's in trouble that Jones is
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 10: twisted to the term sat back in the twenty yard
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 10: line and the credit goes to John Jenkins, the thirty
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: four year old out of Georgia and is eleventh NFL season.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 21: In decisive didn't look like he one of the throw
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 21: initially tried to have an options a bust and played
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 21: between he and z lost of four the starter drive killing.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Itself man.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 10: Cunningham in a quarterback. He's in trouble going back and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 10: surrounded and dropped by Crosby and the Raiders. This is
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 10: this is how this function Jones came off. Cunningham of course,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 10: just side with the fifty three man roster. The Patriots
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 10: looking for a spark and another negative play.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: In lois by this high school.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: This is like rotating quarterbacks.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 21: One sends a play in, one goes, You're putting pressure
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 21: on this kid like you's backing hair of throat if
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 21: you're gonna throw it.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: Drop back.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 10: Stevens in the back of takes the head of buttons
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 10: at left. He's end of the dive, touchdown Patriots. Bray
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 10: Stevenson back Covid Las Vegas and the Patriots back within
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 10: a single score. Beny coming in a hurry, throw to
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 10: the left and.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: At ten your cray a shirt.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 10: Tuck J C. Jackson making a call for the pass
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 10: interference if not a hole trade talkers to receive us
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 10: of the appearance.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: Defense number thirty three Poly was placed with.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 10: The spot and automatic erst Thow, Brett Rodgers identified and
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 10: pretty Jennings. I think as got the light.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: This ball get air mill before the cut. Is this
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: even close?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 10: They look up Bill from their four yard line. Three
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 10: into the ride in gloding kasiki inside and board throwing
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: on the outside market of the love. Jones is in
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 10: the pen zone. He'll be inside by Crosby. He grew
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 10: him from the left side of the defense and up
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 10: the middle of below. Mickels collaborates for the Raiders.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 21: It's a safety, pure offense ineptitude, and it started with
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 21: the first play of the drive. Blue angle routed up
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 21: back to get you four yards and then you hurry
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 21: up call run which is located because you had a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 21: holy call on a panic call. It's a two minut
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 21: a warning who's approaching and didn't go backwards.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: You have to lay a game. You got a hell
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: of a throat of Parker. He has a dropped.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 21: It's a multitude of airs all across the board, fly quarterback, receivers, backs,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 21: coaching period.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: I'm done.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 10: The Raiders for the first time this season, six weeks
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 10: in a clutch twenty points. They do it with a safety.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 10: Carlson went for field goals. The Pagers remember with an
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 10: early interception driving deep into Las Vegas territory, unabled the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 10: mount of comback in the player one more time to
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 10: the knee and then He slaps hands with Jabrill Peppers
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 10: and the Raiders have improved to five hundred. These two
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 10: teams intersecting against similar paths to get here, Struggling offenses,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 10: turnover playing offenses, and as much of a slog as
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 10: it is. Again, the waiters are at the break even point,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 10: three up and three down. All the Patriots have plumber
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 10: to one hand and five with Miami on the horizon.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 21: Same questions are gonna continue, What changes are gonna make,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 21: What division's gonna be within that lock row?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: Defense?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: Hanging in there?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: Offense can't movie.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: The guy that gets the biggest extension in the offseason has.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: The drop drop right there at the end of the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: game to give you no chance.
• 1:30:31
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  Speaker 1: location near you. All right back, Fred's finished with his lunch,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: So Deuce Tamara, Yeah, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and the booth.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Matt's hurting though always hurting. Why he's got a broken tooth?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: He is hurt broken tooth met. How do you break
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: your tooth?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Jaw breaker?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he is like Pale. I told him
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: go to the urgent. Cameral gets you know, Chris Rara
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: down here, and he's.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Like going to cover the show.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: Torow.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: I thought you meant Chris Fra to fix it.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: He's too tough to shine.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: At least I got him to smile.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: You got a Dennis appointment on the books or something
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: like tomorrow, all right after.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: I respect the hustle. Matt. You know, nothing stops this train.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: You were sick last week?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Eight five five pasts five hundred. Is the ace taken hotline?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phones. Emerys in Kansas. What's up? Emory?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 15: Hey, how are you doing that? Thank you? Thank you
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 15: for the opportunity of course.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 10: What what?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 12: What?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 15: What is your response in regards to playing the young
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 15: folks Bunton, Douglas and Boute with Born instead of barking
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 15: juju for the remainder of the season, they were just.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Talking about it and just literally said before we came,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: I cannot, for the life of me understand how you
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: do anything else besides play the young guys at receiver
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: and hope that it works, especially given the fact that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: your two most explosive guys all year long have been
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourne. So I like, what, what's
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: I I have no more time for Devonte Parker and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Jiju on this team.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: None.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why they keep playing DeVante Parker. He's
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: done nothing all year. He did he had what thirty
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: one catches last year. It's not like he did did
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: anything great last year either. I think his efforts stinks.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: I think his attitude stinks. I would get him off.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: I'm with the guys. I'm with you. I would go
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Douglas with born In uh In.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: I mean like I should like Taekwon is not much
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: like Taekwon is not much better.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: But here's what I can't have happened. I can't be
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: on this show in March with people saying, well, he
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: was hurt the first two years, I didn't get a
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: chance to see. I need to definitively know in March.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first the third third down of the game,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: I think Mac was sacked right, and they're running like
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: a vertical on the sideline, and and Kendrick Bourne is
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: running an out from the slot and Taekwon mister four
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: two eight, Like just takes four years off my life
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: running the damn route, like and he all he's gotta do.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: He's got to clear out the sideline because the outside
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: corner is sitting on Kendrick Bourne's route and like his den,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: he's got furiating, like run the damn route, dude, Like
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: you're you're you have four two eight speed. You are
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: the fastest guy on the on the goddamn field.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: And he's just do And I mean, what about the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Parker Parker where he was kind of like got to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: the top of it, had a glass of water and
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: then like turns.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: So that was that was so bad that Romo got
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: it live. Yeah, It's like I'm not sure what Parker
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: did on this route. He just hesitates.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just like the throw to Bourne, like Bouren
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: runs the route well and gets open on the route,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: but Mac has to hold the ball because the outside
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: corner is not respecting Taekwon's route. So he's just gonna
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: jump it. If he throws the out, he's just gonna
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: jump it. And the whole idea is to put Taekwon
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: in that spot to have him clear out the coverage,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: like run down the field as fast as you can,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: and like, because he knows he's not getting the ball,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: because he knows he's clearing out and he's not, he
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: just kind of is jogging on the route and I'm
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: and it's just like these are the types of things
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: that happen with this team routinely with their receivers. Just
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: their receivers do not run good routes. They don't run
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: the route hard if they're not first reading the progression.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: They don't run detailed routes. Their routes are rounded off
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: at the top of the route all the time. And
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: I just makes me want to explode, like Troy Brown,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like what are you doing? Like
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: how do you if you're Troy Brown? And I was
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: told I'll put Bill O'Brien in this too, Like I
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: was told that Bill O'Brien was gonna come in and
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: and not stand for the nonsense, right, Like, Okay, you
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: don't want to run the route hard, you can go
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: sit on the bench, like I that's what I thought.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: We were told, you know, Teapot was coming in and
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: he was gonna gonna make sure that this stuff got
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: cleaned up.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: And they broke pot.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: They do it so often that their routes are just horrible,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: and then watching Kendrick Bourne actually run like eight or
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: nine really good routes in this game was like it
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: was like I had never seen it before. I was like,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: oh my god, this is incredible.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to look. All right, thanks, Emery,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: But he's it was like he was listening to the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: the portion when Fred was eating his lunch, because that's
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: exactly what whatever. You didn't catch it the first time,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: so I had to repeat chicken fingers, But that's exactly
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: what Evan had literally just said, like they need to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: play Douglas and Thornton with Bourne, right and see just
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: see how it looks.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Patty's an agaa, what's up? Patty? Patty?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 10: Oh, who is it?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Says Patty.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: But Todd, Wow, the only thing that broke it's the
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: it's the hook, Matt Hurt. It's a sin. No, it's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: a sin.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: What's up? What's up?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 15: My question is very simple.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 22: Do you think that there's some way that we could
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 22: get somebody sorry I'm barbecuing, to actually come in with
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 22: Bill still here and redo the offense in a proper style,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 22: like some young guy that's gonna say, Okay, this offense
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 22: is mind Bill, let's do it this way. You're still
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 22: the coach, you're still the GM, but let's just work
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 22: together and get this done. Or does the whole thing
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 22: just have to be blown up?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's what they tried to do
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: with O'Brien.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Let let me ask you this thanks to and I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: guess we won't ask him.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna just say it.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: But if you are, like, let's just say Evan Lazare
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: is the next hot shot offensive coordinator like Matt Joss. Okay,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: hot shot, you want that. No, I'm gonna go in
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go and have the The offense is yours.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick is the coach. Oh okay, all right, so.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: I can't spend more than twelve million dollars.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: But even if you but even if you were told
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: you had free rein, it's still Bill Belichick's team, and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: you don't have free reign because if he doesn't like something,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: he's gonna change it. Because he's won six titles. He's
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: the greatest coach who's ever done it. I just don't
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: think it's a great place for a young up and
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: coming offensive mind to try to cut his teeth.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: Maybe somewhere else, like you know, like if if Bill
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: could come into another team where it isn't like all
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: because the system is all his too, you know, like
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: there's just so much.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: I talked about the last week. Well, but no, I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: mean I mean when I say system, I mean I
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: know the whole program. I know every I know exactly
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: what you mean. And that's why I'm gonna know.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's more of a chance of him
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: going to another place without full power are then staying
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: here and have power taken away.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a non starter. I think it's
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: a non starter for him. I think it's not in
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: the best interest of the team and moving forward. And
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: you know, when a team has to move forward, like
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: you just you have to put those things behind. It's
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: like people who are still sticky situations still talk to
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: ex girlfriends or ex boyfriends, you know, And I'm like, no,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: you can't talk to your exes like you have to.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: It's a bad idea.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: I like that ball that seemed like that came from
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: a like experience or something.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 9: I'm I'm a heavy deep and delete.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah existed, move on, Move on, but I thought we
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: could still be no.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: No, no, whatever.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Interesting, It's fine, Jeffrey in Canada. I see five possible scenarios.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I'd like to get each host vote which is most
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: likely and.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Which this is a todd question, and which.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Would consider to be the best scenario. For context, Let's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: say the team plays out the same. It goes four
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: and thirteen, four and thirteen on the right, and the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: fourth pick.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: In the draft one like the fourth pick in the draft.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: Oh oh, they're all contingent on going four to thirteen
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: With the fourth pick.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: They have the exactly the fourth pick in the draft.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Bill is fired on October thirtieth. Bill is
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: fired last day of the season. Bill is stripped of
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: his roster decisions, but remains coach two more. At some
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: point between now and the season ends. An announcement that
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Bill is retiring after the season could be the Brady
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: type retirement and five to nothing. Bill has full control
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and beyond.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: Oh there's the one you're missing. I feel like the
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: one that he coaches out the string and then a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: few weeks after the season ends, it's mutually way that
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: we're going to mutually part ways that the new pages
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: can I say, like that's a variation of the Teddy
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Bruski Like, that's why I hope happens.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I There's no way. And I think
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Schefter said this, I think it was his opinion.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: But Black Monday, Yeah, there's no way.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: Black Monday is happening to Bill Belichick.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: And none of us know what Bill's contract actually is.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: That's the problem.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 10: We don't know.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: For all we know, this is the last year it
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: could have. We don't know, We have no idea. But
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: let's assume that there's more years left. Right, So if
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Bill walks away slash retires, he's walking away from a
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: lot of money. So in order for him to do that,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: the crafts need to agree we're going to pay you
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: at least a portion of what you would be owed
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: for the remainder of your car. That's the only way
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: that it would happen. Well if if, And again we
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: don't even know how much is getting paid. But let's
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: say it is twenty five million, because that's what your
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: show says it is.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: It's a round number.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if he walks away and he has two,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: he's walking away from fifty million dollars if he has
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: two years left, so he's gonna have to get some
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: of that, so walk away.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: So why would he do that right in the end,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: because it's he's miserable. No no, no, no exactly Like
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: but like when people would say, well, why would the
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: craft pay him so they don't have to have the
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: stain exactly, you fire the greatest coach has ever done.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: And plus I don't think that they want it to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: end on bad terms.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I think, well, it's going to be bad terms. It's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: hard to like you do that. It's still bad terms,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: but at least publicly, it doesn't look as bad as
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: it might. No, either both ways and by the way,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: both ways, and it.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be as bad as terms if you just fired him.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: I like, at least this way, like listen, we're gonna
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: pay you, but we both know, yeah, it's not working.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: I think retirement feels like the easiest way to make it,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: at least publicly, so that it's not ugly because you can't.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: They're they're either going to part ways or he's going
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: to retire. They're not going to be like we were
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: relieved Bill Belichick if his coaching duties like other teams
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: do on.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: Black Monday or whatever. Yeah, I mean I don't know
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: about that. It won't be on Black Monday. I think
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: I agree with you guys on that. But did you
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: you guys were in Vegas, did you catch the Teddy Bruski? Yes,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: a little bit impassioned. I thought that was telling. That
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: was really tough. Guys like Edelman Kruski.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, those guys come, I don't say coming out
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: of the woodwork. There, they've been out front center.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: But Gronk, Philippe and Rio de Janeiro in Defensive Bill.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: He says Bill should not be fired after the season.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: While the last three seasons were underwhelming for the twenty
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: year long standard in place, they were just average under
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: NFL standards. This is the first really bad season of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, and Bill earned enough credit to survive it.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, we have a solid, although not great
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: defense after major departners high Tower, mccordy, Gilmore, Harmon, et cetera, Harmon,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: and there are solid receivers to believe that high enough kick,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: high enough picks, and plenty of cap space suffice to
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: fix the office. Sam on a big picture note, how
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: the organization and its manager management would look after cutting
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: ties with both Brady and Bill. If Bill goes elsewhere,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: charges Cowboys and wins another Super Bowl. We should not
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: take this decision lightly, and the little eulogies that have
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: been prefacing the calls for Bill's jobs seem like mere
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: lip service. I was a first minute critic of the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Juju Jacobe swap, and I do not and I do
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: agree with most of the criticism of relation to personnel decisions. However,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: just as it was the case with Brady, I do
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: not see an option out there that is a surefire
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: fix to fix our current problem.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Who's is who? What was the emailer's name, Felip Philip,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: So I at least appreciate that, like somebody is arguing
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: the other side, like more lately on.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: The s PFWS two, which I was a little surprised
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: at go ahead of saying.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Well because that was that was like a good way
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: to lay out the other side. I felt like it
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: was a good email like that, and that doesn't I
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: don't say that.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: You almost never knew, which is why I apologize for
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: interrupting your flow.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: I just uh, I had you know, there's been such
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: a strong myself included like anti Belichick rhetoric right now,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: and it's refreshing to hear like the other side of it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: I don't agree, but I I it's at least nice
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: to hear the other side.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: My counter would just be that there's been too many
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: threads coming to this season that have connected back to
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: previous seasons and it's not that this is a standalone
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: and oh my, and all these problems just popped up, Like,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think this season is very much removed from
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: last year's the disaster season, other than.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: You know, a couple of little minor tweaks. And I
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: would just say, if you were watching the games every
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: week and honestly evaluating what you've seen all four years,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: three years plus six games, yeah the record is better
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: than the team, and the record's not good. Yeah they're
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: closer to worse than that than better than that. And
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: I know that you can confuse yourself and convince yourself
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: that when they were down twenty two to nothing to
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: the Bengals, they really wasn't that bad of a loss
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: because they had a chance, they had a chance to
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: steal some games they had no business being in to
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: nothing to do with coaching, because the game plan of
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: the week got you in that hole to begin with,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: and you circumstantially snuck into a couple of games here
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: and there. This is the sobering thought. So it's twenty twenty,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: twenty one, twenty two, and now twenty three, you're seven
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: and oh against the New York Jets. Give me the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: record against everybody else, he can beat the Jets.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, along those lines, Zach Wilson.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: Not to keep the Belichick turning going, but you know
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: the nine more losses for the most losses all time,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, he's nine losses away right now.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think that that's okay, that's a point
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: in his face. No, that's fine. The best coaches of
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: all time are in the top ten.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: Y and not the reason I brought up to be
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: like he sings. But do you think it's possible that
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: it happens.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: He's gonna get He's going to get the loss record
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: before he gets the wins record, that's right. But do
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: you think he gets it this year against the Jets?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: You know who he's just passed, and the losses record.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: I know he's looking up at Dan Raean Reeves, right, No, yeah,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: I mean it's a lunchey that is number one on
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: the list. I didn't want it to bring it on negative,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: but I just thought, but it's Dan Reeves, like Jeff
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: Fisher above him.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jeff Fisher total Jeff Jeff Fisher's an outlier
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: because he's not a great coach.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 10: But then you have like Andy.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Reid Landry behind it all.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, well, right now he's only behind Landry and
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: the total amount of wins, and then in in just
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: regular season he's behind. So Dan Reeves is one ninety
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: one sixty five and two shout out Aeron. Jeff Fisher's
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: won seventy three, one sixty five and one. Belichicks two
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: ninety nine, and so he's got over one hundred more
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: wins than those guys, right, And that's why.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: But the point of bringing it.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: Up is, is it possible that he loses to the
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: Jets here in the season finale and that's when he
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: gets it, like he needs nine more, so he'd have
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: to finish three and fourteen this year.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: I don't see three wins, Mike. I'm just you got
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: three more wins. You got to guess you gotta get
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: three more.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: I still see you.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: I still see. Yeah, because I still see Washington, Indy.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: They'll win one of those.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: I think Washington's better than you think.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: No, I think they'll win one of them. I didn't
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: say both. I'm not one of these knuckleheads that looking
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: at the soft part of the schedule. I think they'll
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: split some of these.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: We are other team soft part of the schedule. Unfortunately,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: I hate saying that, but it's the truth.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: I just I'm really looking at that last Jets game
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: right now though, and just wondering what's it going to
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: mean for the Jets.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: What's it going to mean for It's possible that the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Jets could be knocking on the door for a plenty
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: b Aaron Rodgers and he comes back, who evident he's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: just decided I didn't really turn my achilles. I'm coming back.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: But to do his point like about the this is
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: not like a one season one off with this team
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: has like slowly gone like this like and it might
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: you know, he was able to hold on to it.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Convince yourself they went ten and seven and twenty one
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: because they were a ten win team. Yeah, but then
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: when you watch and you really break down the games
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: that they want people are doing it now and they're
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: looking back and they're saying they're like three and eleven,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: they last fourteen something like that, and all three wins
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: were against the back of quarterbacks. Yeah, but they didn't
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: do it in twenty one because they won ten games
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: with a rookie quarterback. They did it the same way.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Not in Santa Cruz. I feel for Bill. I know
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: he's made a mess of the team as a GM,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: and I don't excuse him for that. But Bill has
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: always said he wanted to leave the team better off
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: than when he came. The twenty twenty four Patriots have
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: no chance to be better than the team he joined
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: way back when. I bet that's killing Bill.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: I disagree.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: I disagree. Now what does he care the two thousand
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: Patriots with this?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Yehage, there's no difference bar Yeah. My question is do
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: you think that sentiment will allow him to be a
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: big seller at the deadline trying to leave this team
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: and the best place moving forward. I know he'll never tank,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: but will he prioritize the future he won't be part of.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Will he prioritize the future he won't be part of?
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Now that the games have no championship seeking value as
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: always a huge fan of the show, and it's all
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: it's on air talent.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the two thousand Patriots. Now Bill opted to do
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: it this way. They stripped it down. They got rid
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: of like because they weren't a bad team that he inherited.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: Technically it was a five hundred team that he inherited,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: but they had some bad contracts. They had some veterans
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: that were sort of passed their prime in that guy,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: and he moved on, dropped the anchor. I think was right.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: He moved on from some of those guys. But that
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: that team, Fred, I don't know if you remember this,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: they opened the season with fifty one guys because quote,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: he didn't have fifty three NFL players.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: That's he said that.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: That's a quote from Bill. He said that, Now eventually
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: obviously they had to sign guys. I know they technical,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: you know, but when they originally cut the roster, he
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: felt like they didn't have fifty It's.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: Just like crazy that, you know, to that point, like
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: he was doing this like ridiculous stuff even before he
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: had the resume, which like if I'm not going to
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: give you the book, if you want it, we have
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of imagine if like Ben Johnson inherits this
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: team and he comes in on cutdown, Dan is like
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: we only kept fifty one, all of us would be like.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: What about.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: He's like, he didn't come to my son play.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: You're out, Tom and Taunt in England. As a fan
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: who has never experienced the Patriots absolutely sucking up until now,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted to say thank you to all I'm jealous
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: as Patriot's unfiltered for making the experience a fun one.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Whether it's Deuce's slow descent into darkness and negativity, Paul's
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: refusal to be refusal to be bothered by the team's
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: performance in any way, or evans weekly mental breakdowns, it's
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: always great and entertaining. Listen, I thank you for all
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: of us, all of you reminding us not to take
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: things too seriously.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm jealous of that, Like I've never eaten like
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: him saying I've never experienced that. Like I'm jealous of that.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on how Bill
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: will use his well earned top five draft pick in
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Given the special team's performance over the
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: past two years, I think a versatile due it special
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: teamer with a scrappy attitude is what's missing to get
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: the team back on track.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: Ridiculous.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: What do you think would be more likely for Bill
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: to pick like JJ McCarthy over Caleb Williams or Drake
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: may or the interior tech or some rando wide received
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: rover Marvin Harrison that no wide.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: Receive quarterback on Wlayne mcconku, I think it's the quarterback
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: one because he's like, no, he's got to play our way.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: We don't want something.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 8: J J.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: McCarthy just sort of screams, oh yeah, Patriots, oh yeah,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: oh yeah. I think he is talented.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 9: The memes are out there.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: He's not as talented as those tops. I think J. J.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: McCarthy is is like every college quarterback that's been on
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: a loaded roster, like Stetson Bennett. JJ McCarthy like Jones, I.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: Kind of agree, but I think he's a better I
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: think he has a better r But yes, Mac Johnes,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: that would be in that Jones. I know you, I
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: know you've quit on Mac, but she's right. Matt Jones
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: would be an example of that. Now I disagree with that,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: what's the disagree with?
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: He was much better quarterback than than JJ McCarthy.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: And I think he was a product of a stacked roster.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: He was a much much better quarterback. Like if you
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: just like lot like the film and of the decision
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: made the film.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: The games.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: That effective, it'd be the same thing.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Keith and New River Gorge, West Virginia. The pitchforks are
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: definitely out for Belichick.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 10: It is what it is.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Bill created this situation, and he's equally responsible for his
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: long storied animosity with the media. But folks like Hardy
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: and Florio just seemed determined for Belichick to leave in disgrace.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: The attacks for him to be fired now seemed personal.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: I can't think of anything that will be gained from
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: firing a future Hall of Fame coach mid season. But
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: it got me thinking about how Parcels used to handle
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: the media. Imagine Parcels never left and had all the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: same success as Belichick. Would he be coming under the
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: same media fire.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think so. If he had loved him,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: they did, But if they had the drafts that they
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: had the last four years, people would want him out.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: They'd say the game has passed him by, baby.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it'd be as his point is
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be as personal.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know about Florio because I don't know Mike Florio.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: It's not personal with hard I can promise you that.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, Hardy is like not even really here, Like
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: so what would on the radio? I know, but like
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: what would it be like? It's not like he has
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: to interact with Bill on a daily I just know, like.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: Mike and I can tell you we've talked to him, Like,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: it's not it's nothing to do with personal and what
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: and what what is there to be gained if they
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: did it during the season. I don't I wouldn't do
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: it during the season. But there is something that if
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Robert krap decided he needed to do, and that is
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: that he is tinkering with the future right if he is,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: you know, impacting you know, another couple of extensions for
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: DeVante Parker esque players that would be a bridge too
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: far from me. I would say, I need to get
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: him out because he's gonna I'm gonna get rid.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: Of him at the end of the year, buying at
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: the deadline. So yeah, I agree with that, and I
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: would I also actually think that there's some value and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: and maybe giving Gerad an interim tag and like seeing
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: how it looks with his value. I mean, it's like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: a little trial run for him, like an eight game trial,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: especially for a guy that, you know, what does he
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: really do around here is kind of a little bit
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: of him. I'm sure mister Kraft knows, but you know,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: it's like a little bit of a mystery. So I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: agree with your bigger point. That's the biggest point is
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: that Bill is that's and that's a big if.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: Like if you felt like he was doing things that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: weren't necessarily in the best interest of the team moving forward,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: that's something to be gained by doing it during the
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: season rather than after. And I would just say, you know,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: I can't speak for everybody but the email and we've
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: gotten a lot of this, Okay. The way he's treated
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: the media for twenty five years is why I can
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: tell you ninety nine percent of people who have covered
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: this team, they're not like licking their chops to get
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: a chance to get back at them. I'm not telling
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: you there's none. There are people that that feel like that,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: but I can tell you the Mike ess of the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: Tom Curins and the Phil Perrys of the world are
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: not sitting there relishing this opportunity to get back at
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: Bill because he was mean to them over the years.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: Some people, I'm sure are especially nationally because they hate
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: the Patriots.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: I feel like those guys who have witnessed the whole
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: thing are just more interested in trying to find out
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: why why has that fallen apart like this, and that's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: what they're usually trying to get at.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't think that there's a lot of people
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: like shoes on the other foot, Now, Bill, you gotta go.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't know, you guys can
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: disagree with me. I don't feel like that's been like
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: a prevailing attitude among the media.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 8: I feel like they just want like realistic answers to
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 8: the questions on what does it mean to start over?
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  Speaker 8: What's happening? Why is everything falling apart? Why is this
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  Speaker 8: team playing uncharacteristically, like actually getting real responses to very
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  Speaker 8: real questions that we all have answers to.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think, unfortunately, I think the answer is if
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  Speaker 3: he knew he would fix.
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  Speaker 4: It, I couldn't. He could have been more refreshingly honest
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  Speaker 4: on that question.
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  Speaker 3: Monday with Tom, like if you if you asked him, like, Bill,
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  Speaker 3: you know, why do you guys start slow? Yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: do you think that they they obviously they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to start slow. So like if he knew, that's like
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  Speaker 3: that was the time that question yesterday, and that was
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  Speaker 3: just he might have wish.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had a great answer for that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew In l a overly negative Mike chiming in with
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  Speaker 1: we have fifty three players now under.
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  Speaker 4: His breath, but you he's so dark. Yeah, he really
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  Speaker 4: is all watching bad football.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, Matt cracked his tooth on a draw breaker and
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  Speaker 1: they're working. We need that kind of heart o commitment
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  Speaker 1: on the team. Let's get Marine on the field and
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  Speaker 1: a clipboard in Evan's hands. Mike could be a good cheerleader.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have Fred as the new owner and with Paula's GM,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have a terrible team filled with good people.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that would be my team, I mean terrible players.
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  Speaker 4: He knows a good guys, he knows my bag of
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  Speaker 4: tricks on the cheerleader front. I guess yeah, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's what he was who was getting at. You did
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  Speaker 4: it for the camera too, Come with me? You know
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  Speaker 4: that's my favorite move.
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  Speaker 5: They're walking away, the cheerleaders walking away, they look back
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  Speaker 5: and they say, come with me, you know, like, that's
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  Speaker 5: that's my move.
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  Speaker 4: He's insane. You hired this guy, like, hey, it's fun.
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  Speaker 4: We got to find some fun here. Fortunately I had
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  Speaker 4: a big say in that.
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